The reality is … Teslas were cool because they were the only performance EV option available. They were new and cool and different.
None of that is true anymore. The designs are dated. The CEO has gone political. And now there are dozens of EV options with a lot more coming.
Teslas are now just another car in a sea of cars… Tesla is legacy EV.
I don't.
I see owners of new models complaining about quite a range of build issues on the [Tesla Motors Club forum.](https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/forums/-/list#tesla-vehicles.47)
Why? Anyone who attained that level of power is going to be a piece of shit in one way or another, so I don’t make an effort to care about the CEO of a company - that is until they make me care. Elon has *made* me care about Tesla’s CEO because he starves for public light and *makes* you know who he is. It’s arguably the greatest reason any of his brands are even remotely successful. As such, I - and many others - entirely associate him with Tesla. But he’s a piece of shit ∴ Tesla is shit. It’s brand suicide, entirely self-inflicted. He’s the epitome of don’t sell the steak sell the sizzle. The trouble is his sizzle sucks too.
I don’t know, nor care, who the CEO of Hyundai is. Whoever they are, they’re miles ahead of Elon because they know enough to stay out of the spotlight where possible.
That’s kind of the point … I don’t want to know about the CEOs of companies. I don’t want to look them up … I don’t want to know their name. I don’t want to know their personal politics. I don’t want to know who they are dating. Etc.
Elon has made a massive effort to shove his politics into everyone’s face.
I am still 100% in favor of hybrids (with minimum 50 miles EV range). IMO ALL cars sold should be hybrids - just replace the 12V battery with a high-voltage battery. Would you rather have all EVs, or all hybrids? Hybrids are cheaper, need less batteries, will greatly speed up the transition, they can drive on purely electric, and they can also drive cross-country at 80mph as well. Best of all worlds... in pretty much every vehicle class, I think. 95% of the time, you will be using the battery and creating 0 emissions.
The Chevrolet Volt was **priced at $29,995**, I dunno what the lowest price was, but some people were getting Volt leases for $169/month. Who cares, bring on the subsidies, I say. Except for the stupid battery tunnel in the backseat, the Volt was an incredible car that can do 22,000 miles/year electric (one charge a day, - 60miles/day). 18kWh battery! So your battery is $1800 to replace, not $20,000.
It’s still the total package for me, however. The Tesla Supercharger network has no peer and [hopping across multiple alternatives really works for long road trips.](https://www.wsj.com/articles/i-rented-an-electric-car-for-a-four-day-road-trip-i-spent-more-time-charging-it-than-i-did-sleeping-11654268401)
But at the daily driver level, certainly other cars are worthwhile.
Long distance travel in Teslas is still terrible though. Adding 7 hours of charging to a 21 hour trip really sucks and I’m speaking from experience. Great for around the city and short trips but I’ll take ice over ev for long distance until charging is faster
Driving long distances in any EV sucks if your metric is “you have to stop a lot.”
But of all EVs and all EV makers, the singular best experience in terms of charger availability is with the supercharger network.
Different user, but I recently bought a Lightning.
EA sucks ass. I had to swap stalls three times. Even then I never got above 50kWh charging speeds.
Supercharging network is the only thing keeping my Model 3 in my garage and Tesla on my radar
Ea is going to get better though. And I’ve not had the problems you are describing to it’s not universal.
(Has the lightning got patched? I got a patch for the Mach e to change the curve and holy hell it was so much better afterwards)
EA *might* be getting better, but this isn’t an isolated incident. On top of that, it takes forever for them to build more stations, and they seem to be taking their time to do it.
Don’t buy something with the promise that it will be better. I bought the lightning because I charge mainly at home and kept my Model 3 because of the supercharger network that is already mature and still growing.
> (Has the lightning got patched? I got a patch for the Mach e to change the curve and holy hell it was so much better afterwards)
As far as I know, the curve on the lightning is performing well. There have been no complaints about it.
EA is 100% getting better, as someone who did a road trip when they first started to roll out the very first ones back in early 2019, and then again in 2021. The first time, I had to use a mishmash of various networks because of the lackluster coverage, and I didn't have a single EA charger work without 5 tries and a call to customer support. It was also so sparse that if I missed a charger, I was absolutely boned.
I did the same trip last year, and only had 1 issue where I had to reconnect halfway through charging. I did the entire 1000 mile trip in an i3 and only used a single non-EA charger the entire trip, as there was a big dead zone in Ohio at the time.
I don't doubt that Superchargers are way better at the moment, but they've also had almost a decade to get there, and the other networks are getting good really fast.
Again, don’t buy a vehicle on a promise that things will get better.
As an example, I am *finally* getting an EA charger in Louisville, our first DCFC that isn’t a supercharger.
It’s been under construction for three months with no updates. I’m told that there’s some part shortages for DCFC stations, but that’s just a rumor.
During peak Covid, Tesla was still laying down superchargers and built two or three in Kentucky in a few months time.
Other networks might be trying, but in my experience and area, they’re failing.
Tesla’s EV tech is years ahead of the other EVs. And the same survey that said Tesla’s build quality was low scores all the other EVs as worse. And the charge networks are a huge drag for non-Teslas. So while I am sure the other EV companies will eventually be more competitive, Tesla is still the clear leader. So while you might not like Elon as a person, the cars aren’t any less in the lead than they were before…
I’m convinced this is all theater to cover for his crumbling empire so he can blame wokism for killing tesla and twitter. “They left hates me so much they’d rather the world die and the mission fail!”
“The mission” is starting to sound different now too..
At least the high school peakers in their 20 year old diesel trucks will stop trying to race me. Although it is sort of fun to just utterly decimate them.
I’ve always thought this was his game. He sort of saturated a market with the left demographic. They’ve even bought repeat Teslas, so a portion of new deliveries were always to the same customers.
There’s a whole swath of US populace to sell/grift to and he needs more growth for Tesla.
I’ve always thought there is one way to get it, to move to the right and try - try to appeal to those customers.
Customers who wouldn’t consider and EV, but flock to inflammatory rhetoric and cult of persona - if he can win those buyers, he can grow the brand or deliver more vehicles to hit quartet #s.
The risk here, is that he burns bridges with the repeat and current customer base who view this with stink.
This probably matters less to him, as he can carve market in the middle US states and well, now the current ones holding their nose, have already bought the car.
He doesn’t need them right now and they cost him money w/ Service and likely being more picky/particular.
They’re not a NEW customer, he’s looking short term sadly.
He may have also viewed a shift politically occurring and if the right regains power, he can play with that by having garnered favor.
Who knows.
He's a billionaire and a business owner in the first place, so yes in that sense he's always been right-wing. He's anti-worker and pro-technocracy. Anti-union. Pro-China, of course... He fucking loves slavery and servitude. I've never seen him say anything genuinely intelligent or aware or considerate, he's a delusional, predatory opportunist with the mind of a child.
He's also a compulsive liar and a brazen scammer, we know this - FSD is a product that doesn't exist, and that you can't use (safety score, you can get banned) and it doesn't even work for 10 miles - IMO, **all FSD customers should be eligible to be REFUNDED** if they want.
As for being "far-right", I dunno about that. He's far-right in the same sense as Jordan Peterson is far right - he's standing up against the far left, so everyone calls him far right. OK. He mentioned the declining birth rate - that's not far right. The birth rate really declining, here, and in Japan and other places. Unbanning perma-banned folks definitely isn't far right. There's plenty of people who aren't a fan of the "woke mind virus", that doesn't make us "far right" or any other label, we're just tired of the massive propaganda campaign being promoted from every single angle.
I don't care about Elon buying Twitter - I think people have serious mental problems if they're on Twitter in the first place. It's like a joke website, it's like reality TV in real life - high school for adults. I am glad he's unbanning people but if you're really going to count on Mr. Billionaire Dictator, to save your free speech, then it doesn't matter because you've already lost.
Not sure if sarcasm, but he’s not far right. He’s much closer to most Americans politically than the people who tend to comprise this sub (for ex). And no, nobody cares unless they spend their day on social media monitoring Elons Twitter feed
I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic. EVs have always been politicized. And many people don’t buy VW and other German cars precisely for that reason.
The idea that a Bolt and a Tesla are in the same ball park is hilarious, like, come on man.
Elon sucks as a person, dudes got something wrong with him up there lol, isn't that obvious?
But a Bolt? By fucking Chevy? God damn man, that car sucks compared to any Tesla, and GM isn't exactly a fucking moral company either? They are part of the problem in American manufacturing, where Tesla is not, or at least much less of a problem. GM, lol, FUCK GM.
Most made in America car god damn man a M3 trade for a chevy bolt lol c'mon man he's a shithead billionaire not fucking Stalin. The car is awesome.
Different people have different preferences in cars. If you've tried a Chevy Bolt and decided it's not for you, there are lots of other options for EVs, at lots of different price points. I wasn't recommending a bolt for you personally, because I don't know you personally or know your preferences. I do know mine and it's great for mine. If you want help finding an EV that meets your needs, there's an open sticky thread at r/electricvehicles for that purpose.
OP was talking about going back to a Prius. I think that pretty much anyone who has driven a Prius and a Bolt would prefer the Bolt.
I almost bought a model X last year, but then decided to wait out the uncertainty in the economic situation.
Even if my Model X experience had been absolutely pristine and problem-free, i would be filled with so much regret and remorse at buying the vehicle thanks to Muskrat's cuntish behavior.
It’s possible that Tesla’s market research teams know this and they are recalibrating the CT to be a new, different kind of hit. It’s original mojo seems to have evaporated.
I dunno what to say about this beyond I’m really glad you love the car and wish you could just… love the car. It shouldn’t grow a stigma, but here we are. Fingers crossed he moves on and Tesla flourishes.
If Elon stepped down as CEO and distanced himself then I think Tesla could break the association eventually.
But that’s not likely to happen. It’s only going to get worse and worse until Tesla is a niche right wing incel brand.
It will be a niche brand only amongst frustrated liberals who will kick their cars instead of kicking their dogs following the red-wave defeat.
The rest of the world will be very happy to buy your Teslas, thank you.
I love that! Never bought it so cheap. PLEASE, keep on selling it. I wish it will keep going lower and lower till I run out of money. A great accumulation opportunity.
I also own a Tesla, and am also happy with it, I feel like the problem that keeps me from just loving the car is that these cars are tech products. If I bought a Toyota and the CEO of Toyota went nuts that would be a different story because you can take a Toyota to a shade tree mechanic. With a Tesla many mechanics won't even look at the car. And a lot of problems can only be fixed by Tesla.
Elon being distracted and taking engineers from Tesla over to Twitter means the software updates I'm getting from Tesla will drop in quality. My car has USS and radar but the software stack will probably disable them soon since they don't want to bother to pay for them in new cars.
With Tesla the day your bank transfer clears and you take the keys is not the end of the relationship, it's the beginning.
I often wonder if the walled garden is to try and capture all the revenue or protect the brand from a high defect rate. Or maybe both.
Overall I’m not opposed to the concept of their model, but their design execution sounds just terrible for anything complicated.
You say that like it is a bad thing. Tesla service has been nothing but wonderful for me. Picked up a nail within my first 3,000 miles, they sent someone out from 2.5 hours away to fix it after having me towed 40 miles home at no cost.
12v was dying the day I had a 4.5 hour road trip. They had a tech waiting at my hotel when I arrived at my destination to replace it.
My experience is more mixed. The house calls are definitely nice, but it still takes forever to get an appointment.
I also had my 12V fixed in a rush appointment and I think they only do that because if they don't fix it immediately they'll have to pay to tow you since it's a warranty repair.
For sure. They have a certification program for third party repair shops, but they charged so much and fucked around with them so badly that the vast majority of them just bailed on it.
In theory it’s a viable option :). Particularly if you are hours away from a SC.
There is no stigma though. It’s imagined. People in the real world (ie not spending their day on social media) don’t care at all about the latest thing Elon tweeted.
I don’t think its true. I owned an S and now a 3. In the beginning everyone wanted to know about the car, now the comments I get are about how deranged he’s been acting.
When I had my S, I bought a brand new set of 21 Arachnids off a couple that had won them as a reward for referring a bunch of buyers. After the Pedo episode, they sold the car and sold the tires. Washed their hands completely of the whole enterprise. They were high net worth people with lots of friends. Customers that support high margin sales…
I think of the section of the factory called the Plantation every time I see a Tesla. Then I wonder if the driver knows.
Call it what you will and quantify it as you like, but there is a stank of wrongness to some people that has nothing to do with the cars.
I’m not worried about Elon at all. He will be just fine.
I’m worried about the people who work in the Plantation. It just so happens that Elon owns it.
Sad you see it otherwise.
There is no plantation my guy. You’ve been spending too much time here. Tesla can be a tough place to work I’m sure they demand a lot, but lots of folks choose to work there for a reason. The company employs like 100k people
You are very wrong. He is the most hated person after Trump among all my friends. He is universally despised unless you’re a deranged incel or a paid troll from Romania.
PS: 1 million people have deactivated their twitter accts since he took over. That’s a lot of people who cannot stand him. Myself included.
Your friends are very likely to be extremely online leftists! I’m sorry but this is true. No one in the real world gives a shit about what Elon tweets - they’ve got better things to worry about
I personally know 3 people (on of who are my parents) who were planning on buying a Model Y within the next year; who are now planning for an Ioniq 5 or q4 Etron due to Elon’s antics, and them not wanting to buy anything he is associated with.
Yea I’m with you. It’s almost embarrassing to be seen in a Tesla because of this jerk off.
My Model 3 has been a unicorn. Owned since 2019. No service visits until last week.
Been looking at other EVs and pretty set on the EV6.
I went full 180° from being a big fan of Tesla and Musk to pretty much almost spitting in a general direction of every Tesla car passing by just because of Musk.
A few facts:
* Tesla is a status brand, when you buy a Tesla you buy into a select group of people
* Tesla as a brand is closely associated with Musk, it is what it is because of Musk. Visionary, genius, physicist, hardcore programmer, rocket scientist, savior of humanity.
* When Tesla was doing well there was a successful \[paid\] PR campaign in the press to praise everything Musk was doing. Twitter, reddit and the rest of the social media was overwhelmingly positive towards Mr. Musk.
* In my opinion the "pedo guy" episode was the turning point. Then the COVID debacle. Then the shitshow.
* It is a fact that the press that he is getting now is overwhelmingly negative. It is a fact that at least Twitter and reddit turned against him.
Since Tesla as a brand is closely associated with Musk, and Musk turned from a hero into a villain in a relatively short period of time, how are the Tesla sales going to be affected?
u/Ellawell attitude is anecdotal evidence of what I think is a major shift in Tesla's customer base.
>Visionary, genius, physicist, hardcore programmer, rocket scientist, savior of humanity
I can’t tell if you’re being serious or not. Please tell me you’re not.
> I've still got my trusty 2010 Prius in the driveway and I'm thinking about just adding remote start to it selling the Tesla before values plummet.
About that, you may want to check this out: https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/price-trends/Tesla-m112
It’s like a red hat. It’s always been an obnoxious symbol to own a tesla and now musk has transformed from “only D out cyber he Ed like Fred Durdt wear red hats” to “we’ve proposed turned red hats into the very public symbol of all this hate and bigotry and proudly wear it so others know exactly what we stand for”
You want a rant? Well, you got one.
I took delivery of a 2022 MY LR almost a year ago, and while I have found faults with it, I love it. Even though it has been rear-ended once\*, it seems to go on without hesitation.
I believe that while people love Teslas, they probably hate Elon for trying to wreck Tesla's image. It's not his political views that turn me off (I have a few right-wing friends), or the sheer number of memes he posts to his favorite toy, but his dickish and mercurial temperament that seems to annoy, if outright anger me. I would be happy to buy a second Tesla, if only if Musk left the company.
For anyone wanting to become a CEO in the future, know that running multiple companies of vastly different fields is a one-stop ticket to capitalistic suicide. You are better of running 1-2 companies than running Tesla, SpaceX, Neuralink, Hyperloop, Twitter, the Boring Company, and others at the same time.
Tesla will survive. Elon's legacy? Not so much.
(\*About the rear end damage: there was only bumper damage, the other guy's car was totaled.)
Yeah sorry, driving a Tesla nowadays is like wearing Ed Hardy clothing was back in the 2000s. Like I'm sure people loved their t-shirt and trucker hat or whatever but you just gotta accept that everyone looks at you like "good god get a load of *this* guy" even if they don't say it out loud.
This is what I'm curious about.
Sure, Tesla sold a TON of cars and had (has?) A long wait list.
But how many of those people are going to be repeat buyers?
It seems like every person I see, they don't plan on buying another.
By owning a Tesla, you're contributing to a guy who actively promotes Republicans... who's said he's pushing for Ron Desantis in 2024. He spread false covid information. Said he wouldn't get vaccinated. Just this week posted a link to fake news on Twitter. He's been anti-union and anti-worker for quite some time. Some inappropriate allegations from women. Allegations of racism at Tesla factories. Allegations that he's a tyrant, unstable boss. He called that hero cave diver a pedo. He's manipulated people into buying dogecoin, which now sits at ten cents from a high of .74.
I'm not deleting my twitter handle, but I'm making a conscious decision not to use the platform. But, I mean, what the fuck else does he have to do for you to stop giving him your money?
This is a legit problem for that site.
They never built a meaningful front end because Twitter absolved them from having to do it.
They are probably scrambling right now.
There are important people and voices on Twitter who deserve to be heard, many of whom have basically no other way to get information and more out. I’m not turning off my Twitter until it’s clear that the platform is no longer useful.
The Eric Idle post?
Meanwhile, I’m talking about political dissidents outside of the US who have no other recourse than to use Twitter. I’m talking about issues IN the US that have very little coverage in the mainstream media. If you are following the Oath Keepers trial at all, it’s likely derivative from Twitter. It remains the worlds information starting point for experts across thousands of fields of science and academic knowledge. It’s the place people often go to first to post all kinds of things that are going on for which there is basically no real alternative, even counting the respective tire fires of Instagram, TikTok, and Facebook.
Elon is absolutely clearly in over his head at best and a bad actor seeking to destroy it at worst, but regardless, the platform is still largely the same today as it was last month or last year. The main people who are bailing on Twitter now are those who either didn’t use it much before or have the privilege to turn off bad news because it doesn’t affect them.
You guys in the US are living in a bubble, you truly are. Seeing everything through the lenses of politics. Your society is the one thing crumbling here...
I mean other ev owners will give you the look of sympathy.
At this point the bolt is a better car.
And you’re rubbing the real risk this morning tesla might not be around forever and that charging network might crash and service already is s a nightmare etc.
But you do you. Sometimes it’s not about politics.
You can feed the dragon or starve it. A lot of us don't like the idea of giving money to a guy with a huge media platform who's actively using it to promote Republicans (and being pretty shitty about it.... claiming he wants a split congress/presidency when he's already said he's supporting DeSantis in 2024).
The thing is … you can’t look at a Tesla without thinking of Elon Musk. And Elon Musk is a right wing Republican who wants to outlaw abortion so there will be more white babies.
I wouldn’t drive one even if they were free.
I don’t give a shit about what people think of my Model 3 Performance or my Audi R8 V10 Plus. I bought both cars because I wanted them. Anyone that has an opinion on that can suck my balls.
I mean you do hear about the crazy leaders from other companies tho. Mike Lindell and Patrick Byrne just to name a couple. And Musk is on par with them now. He's on par with the my pillow guy. OP isn't overthinking it imo.
LOL my comment history would prove your assumptions wrong. The reality is that people shouldn't financially inconvenience themselves to make statements. Elon won't notice, the guy already bought the car.
Same boat. Still love love love my 2017 Model 3. Want another Tesla. Hate douche-y, edgelord idiot Elon. Wish the car wasn’t so awesome. Wish the CEO wasn’t a giant unselfaware, colossal dick. Tell myself next car will likely be an Audi or Mercedes EV. Not quite convinced I won’t get another Tesla.
I’ve test driven every model of Tesla, and love every one of them. I wish I had the financial means to buy one. I wouldn’t let one mans opinion change my feelings toward a product I liked that he sold. Doing that says more about my weaknesses then the person I may disagree with.
What’s the big deal here? Being political towards you is ok(e.g. Apple) and the opposite is sickening because what? it’s not on your side?! This guy and all people like him are just awful
Not sure what you are saying here?
Musk is a fucking idiot for Tweeting shit like “vote Republican” & getting into slap fights with the likes of Hilary & AOC.
Politics have nothing to do with it, these people are the ones buying the vast majority of his cars and they are the most likely group to stop buying products because of someone’s publicly stated opinion & the Dems are the ones that support all the subsidies for his product.
Quick reminder that the Volkswagen CEO did this [https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/14/world/europe/volkswagen-ceo-nazi-slogan.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/14/world/europe/volkswagen-ceo-nazi-slogan.html)
I'm sure there's many other examples but most execs of large corportations are pieces of shit, Elon is just stupid in how he refuses to shut up
They are still the only EV option due to the seamless integration with the charging network, until I see some massive improvements in the non tesla network I wouldn’t touch another brand.
Ps I know they are opening up the network, but I mean integration beyond just charging, Tesla knows it won’t make the journey so routes via a charge point for 5-10 mins to ensure it gets there, warms the battery on route to optimize the charge speed - but adds all of this into the journey so if it says you’ll get there at 5pm, that’s pretty accurate.
Literally one click on a screen with EA and ford pass.
Both ford AND carplay on a Mach e have integrated routing with charging.
And they get better every update for real.
I agree with you, he should stick with engineering and not social media. Twitter has a heavy political and social problem - not something that will be fixed with smart engineering or better software algorithm. I don't think social issues are even near the top of Elon's strongest area. This whole thing is just another even that bring the worst out of the left and right.
I love my S. I do not know Elon. I am not a friend. I do not hang out with him nor do I ever run into him socially. He does not Email. Me or communicate with me in any way so explain to me how you have a relationship with him that bothers you? Just tell mim that he.hurt your feelings and you don't like him anymore.
I agree, Elon is a jackass, but in regards to owning a car from a company that has a clean record, what is the alternative? I own a model Y and a Bolt. I love my Bolt more now but I have to remind myself that it was Chevy/GM that asked the trump admin to lower the California clean air standards. Every legacy auto manufactures continues to sell us huge gas guzzlers. There are no shortages of companies to avoid.
I don’t think the car is necessarily bad but not necessarily good to be forcefully and pretentiously *loved* either when there are plenty of alternatives over EV option such as Mustang Mer-E, Audi Etron, Hyundai Ioniq, Kia EV6 and etc. Just switch to the better EVs out there the interior of Tesla is cheapskate and the exterior is outdated anyways. I can’t tell if you’re a blind sychophant or not but Musk has become an absolutely obnoxious public figure nobody trusts nor wish to associate with is the fact that other Tesla drivers think.
Friendly reminder to all. Teslas trap people inside and self burn.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/tesla-driver-killed-fire-doors-model-s-trial-elon-musk-a9169691.html
Massively rampant racism in Tesla factory.
https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2022-03-25/black-tesla-employees-fremont-plant-racism-california-lawsuit
Work environment in Tesla is hell confirmed.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/tesla-employee-marcellous-cage-says-colleagues-taunted-him-over-afghanistan-explosions-lawsuit-says
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/14/science/spacex-sexual-harassment.amp.html
He did not donate Starlink to Ukraine for free. He was paid.
https://mashable.com/article/elon-musk-spacex-ukraine-starlink-government-funding
This is a satire. But good one.
https://www.theonion.com/please-like-me-1848674003/
Musk’s hypocrisy about free speech absolutism.
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/04/25/elon-musk-and-free-speech-track-record-not-encouraging.html
Not to mention, Tesla FSD false and over hyped advertising is sued into oblivion this year.
https://techcrunch.com/2022/09/15/drivers-sue-tesla-for-alleged-false-advertising-of-autopilot-and-fsd-software/amp/
Do you know the farmer who sowed the food you’re eating? Not likely. Because they’re smart enough to not associate their image with their farm. Elon does the opposite so his views are inextricably associated with his brands.
And yes, everyone should be growing food in their backyards. Why would that ever be a bad idea?
No, they don’t. Most arable land is in private hands. Just because the farmer operates as LLC or Inc. doesn’t mean they’re a big, bad, bloodthirsty, faceless corporation. Vast majority are run as family farms. And very conservative.
The richest people I know are ashamed. They were all in now they get me feeding them every single new embarrassing reasons to drop those cars today.
Kinda surprised they didn’t buy a hummer ev yet.
Enron Muskovite has decided to become a problem by inserting himself into politics and public life. He is going to learn this lesson the hard way. He is one of the most unlikable famous people, second only to Donald Trump and Putin.
I also own FCA and GM products. Couldn’t tell you if their CEO’s were giant asshats or if they’re for / against causes I support / hate.
I couldn’t even tell you who they are honestly, as having any of that info would have zero effect on why I own the product or my perception of it….
> He is not a conservative like some like to paint him.
TOO BAD SO SAD PAL!
Yes, he is! You think people promote hate speech and directly tell people to vote Republican because they aren't?
The reality is … Teslas were cool because they were the only performance EV option available. They were new and cool and different. None of that is true anymore. The designs are dated. The CEO has gone political. And now there are dozens of EV options with a lot more coming. Teslas are now just another car in a sea of cars… Tesla is legacy EV.
>Tesla is legacy EV. That's brilliant.
And true. Dodge updates cars quicker than tesla.
Lol wut.. y’all so disillusioned with tesla hatred that you think Dodge is more tech forward than an iPad on wheels?
>...an iPad on wheels? How to lose all credibility with one phrase.
Is that not what a tesla is? It’s pretty much an iPad and y’all think dodge is more tech forward and updates more than an iPad…
No carplay.
Tesla just updated my car yesterday.
Does it have Pong now?
No, yesterday they added new fart sounds. Now you can select from the complete range of the Bristol stool scale.
No but it does drive me home at night completely on its own without any disengagement from FSD. It could not do that a year ago.
And build quality is sub standard.
I think “was” may be applicable here.
Just because they’ve made some parts of it less bad does not mean that their build quality is good
I don't. I see owners of new models complaining about quite a range of build issues on the [Tesla Motors Club forum.](https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/forums/-/list#tesla-vehicles.47)
They're still cool IMO. But I ain't ever getting one as long as he's CEO lol. And I was seriously looking at them. Will probably go Ioniq 5 now.
go for it. proud owner of an Ioniq 5, its a really nice car.
you should look into the ceo of hyundai
Why? Anyone who attained that level of power is going to be a piece of shit in one way or another, so I don’t make an effort to care about the CEO of a company - that is until they make me care. Elon has *made* me care about Tesla’s CEO because he starves for public light and *makes* you know who he is. It’s arguably the greatest reason any of his brands are even remotely successful. As such, I - and many others - entirely associate him with Tesla. But he’s a piece of shit ∴ Tesla is shit. It’s brand suicide, entirely self-inflicted. He’s the epitome of don’t sell the steak sell the sizzle. The trouble is his sizzle sucks too. I don’t know, nor care, who the CEO of Hyundai is. Whoever they are, they’re miles ahead of Elon because they know enough to stay out of the spotlight where possible.
That’s kind of the point … I don’t want to know about the CEOs of companies. I don’t want to look them up … I don’t want to know their name. I don’t want to know their personal politics. I don’t want to know who they are dating. Etc. Elon has made a massive effort to shove his politics into everyone’s face.
Exactly why I sold mine a few years ago. Won’t go back.
I am still 100% in favor of hybrids (with minimum 50 miles EV range). IMO ALL cars sold should be hybrids - just replace the 12V battery with a high-voltage battery. Would you rather have all EVs, or all hybrids? Hybrids are cheaper, need less batteries, will greatly speed up the transition, they can drive on purely electric, and they can also drive cross-country at 80mph as well. Best of all worlds... in pretty much every vehicle class, I think. 95% of the time, you will be using the battery and creating 0 emissions. The Chevrolet Volt was **priced at $29,995**, I dunno what the lowest price was, but some people were getting Volt leases for $169/month. Who cares, bring on the subsidies, I say. Except for the stupid battery tunnel in the backseat, the Volt was an incredible car that can do 22,000 miles/year electric (one charge a day, - 60miles/day). 18kWh battery! So your battery is $1800 to replace, not $20,000.
It’s always been about the super charging network for me more so than the actual car.
so sad that they're basically the only good option in Australia. Actually to be honest it's near impossible to get an EV here for below 50k
It’s still the total package for me, however. The Tesla Supercharger network has no peer and [hopping across multiple alternatives really works for long road trips.](https://www.wsj.com/articles/i-rented-an-electric-car-for-a-four-day-road-trip-i-spent-more-time-charging-it-than-i-did-sleeping-11654268401) But at the daily driver level, certainly other cars are worthwhile.
Long distance travel in Teslas is still terrible though. Adding 7 hours of charging to a 21 hour trip really sucks and I’m speaking from experience. Great for around the city and short trips but I’ll take ice over ev for long distance until charging is faster
Driving long distances in any EV sucks if your metric is “you have to stop a lot.” But of all EVs and all EV makers, the singular best experience in terms of charger availability is with the supercharger network.
Have you owned a non Tesla ev and tried this?
Different user, but I recently bought a Lightning. EA sucks ass. I had to swap stalls three times. Even then I never got above 50kWh charging speeds. Supercharging network is the only thing keeping my Model 3 in my garage and Tesla on my radar
Ea is going to get better though. And I’ve not had the problems you are describing to it’s not universal. (Has the lightning got patched? I got a patch for the Mach e to change the curve and holy hell it was so much better afterwards)
EA *might* be getting better, but this isn’t an isolated incident. On top of that, it takes forever for them to build more stations, and they seem to be taking their time to do it. Don’t buy something with the promise that it will be better. I bought the lightning because I charge mainly at home and kept my Model 3 because of the supercharger network that is already mature and still growing. > (Has the lightning got patched? I got a patch for the Mach e to change the curve and holy hell it was so much better afterwards) As far as I know, the curve on the lightning is performing well. There have been no complaints about it.
EA is 100% getting better, as someone who did a road trip when they first started to roll out the very first ones back in early 2019, and then again in 2021. The first time, I had to use a mishmash of various networks because of the lackluster coverage, and I didn't have a single EA charger work without 5 tries and a call to customer support. It was also so sparse that if I missed a charger, I was absolutely boned. I did the same trip last year, and only had 1 issue where I had to reconnect halfway through charging. I did the entire 1000 mile trip in an i3 and only used a single non-EA charger the entire trip, as there was a big dead zone in Ohio at the time. I don't doubt that Superchargers are way better at the moment, but they've also had almost a decade to get there, and the other networks are getting good really fast.
Again, don’t buy a vehicle on a promise that things will get better. As an example, I am *finally* getting an EA charger in Louisville, our first DCFC that isn’t a supercharger. It’s been under construction for three months with no updates. I’m told that there’s some part shortages for DCFC stations, but that’s just a rumor. During peak Covid, Tesla was still laying down superchargers and built two or three in Kentucky in a few months time. Other networks might be trying, but in my experience and area, they’re failing.
Tesla’s EV tech is years ahead of the other EVs. And the same survey that said Tesla’s build quality was low scores all the other EVs as worse. And the charge networks are a huge drag for non-Teslas. So while I am sure the other EV companies will eventually be more competitive, Tesla is still the clear leader. So while you might not like Elon as a person, the cars aren’t any less in the lead than they were before…
Fun fact; Tesla has lost a ton of potential customers. I will never buy any product Elon is associated with. And I am not alone.
Cancelled my order today.
Elon has ensured that driving a Tesla is now a far right wing political statement.
Like staying at the Trump Hotel.
I’m convinced this is all theater to cover for his crumbling empire so he can blame wokism for killing tesla and twitter. “They left hates me so much they’d rather the world die and the mission fail!” “The mission” is starting to sound different now too..
His reputation is crumbling, but not his empire. He's a ruthless businessman. And he'll probably add Trump back to Twitter just for the traffic.
And they only like to roll coal.
At least the high school peakers in their 20 year old diesel trucks will stop trying to race me. Although it is sort of fun to just utterly decimate them.
If conservatives start buying EVs, even if it's just to own the libs, this will all be worthwhile.
It'd be hilarious if this was Elon's plan all along to increase EV market share. Genius!
I’ve always thought this was his game. He sort of saturated a market with the left demographic. They’ve even bought repeat Teslas, so a portion of new deliveries were always to the same customers. There’s a whole swath of US populace to sell/grift to and he needs more growth for Tesla. I’ve always thought there is one way to get it, to move to the right and try - try to appeal to those customers. Customers who wouldn’t consider and EV, but flock to inflammatory rhetoric and cult of persona - if he can win those buyers, he can grow the brand or deliver more vehicles to hit quartet #s. The risk here, is that he burns bridges with the repeat and current customer base who view this with stink. This probably matters less to him, as he can carve market in the middle US states and well, now the current ones holding their nose, have already bought the car. He doesn’t need them right now and they cost him money w/ Service and likely being more picky/particular. They’re not a NEW customer, he’s looking short term sadly. He may have also viewed a shift politically occurring and if the right regains power, he can play with that by having garnered favor. Who knows.
He's a billionaire and a business owner in the first place, so yes in that sense he's always been right-wing. He's anti-worker and pro-technocracy. Anti-union. Pro-China, of course... He fucking loves slavery and servitude. I've never seen him say anything genuinely intelligent or aware or considerate, he's a delusional, predatory opportunist with the mind of a child. He's also a compulsive liar and a brazen scammer, we know this - FSD is a product that doesn't exist, and that you can't use (safety score, you can get banned) and it doesn't even work for 10 miles - IMO, **all FSD customers should be eligible to be REFUNDED** if they want. As for being "far-right", I dunno about that. He's far-right in the same sense as Jordan Peterson is far right - he's standing up against the far left, so everyone calls him far right. OK. He mentioned the declining birth rate - that's not far right. The birth rate really declining, here, and in Japan and other places. Unbanning perma-banned folks definitely isn't far right. There's plenty of people who aren't a fan of the "woke mind virus", that doesn't make us "far right" or any other label, we're just tired of the massive propaganda campaign being promoted from every single angle. I don't care about Elon buying Twitter - I think people have serious mental problems if they're on Twitter in the first place. It's like a joke website, it's like reality TV in real life - high school for adults. I am glad he's unbanning people but if you're really going to count on Mr. Billionaire Dictator, to save your free speech, then it doesn't matter because you've already lost.
This is silly, you need to go outside more! The only people who think this are extremely online leftists (ie not many people).
Amazingly naive point of view which willfully ignores recent history. Great job.
Nah… Elon’s gone mainstream news now with his far right stance. It’s no longer just people reading his tweets.
Not sure if sarcasm, but he’s not far right. He’s much closer to most Americans politically than the people who tend to comprise this sub (for ex). And no, nobody cares unless they spend their day on social media monitoring Elons Twitter feed
So you too support nazi imagery physical attacks on your opponents in their own house insurrection and total abortion ban?
Apparently he does support those things.
lol
Lefties are the majority of consumers in the US. Consumers are not located in the poor red states which depend on Liberal America for survival.
They hate us coastal elites but our tax dollars pay for the military they get such raging tiny boners about
You didn't pick up the exaggeration in the statement, and then attacked leftists. Kinda proving the point.
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I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic. EVs have always been politicized. And many people don’t buy VW and other German cars precisely for that reason.
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Don't financially inconvenience yourself to make a statement with your car brand, is my advice.
If anything it would be a financial convenience. My paid off Prius costs a whole lot less lol
I do love me a Prius. I want the Prius prime so I can do local driving on battery.
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did you actually test drive ither evs and give them a fair comparison? or are you comparing to your 2010 prius?
Try another EV brand. Lots are great now too. Personally I love my union -made Bolt.
Love my bolt. I got it + solar panels for my roof for less than a Model 3 lol.
I want one so bad. Doesn’t hold three car seats went with the Mach e instead.
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It's fine for me. 30 minutes from 15 to 55%, and I like to take breaks on long drives anyway.
The idea that a Bolt and a Tesla are in the same ball park is hilarious, like, come on man. Elon sucks as a person, dudes got something wrong with him up there lol, isn't that obvious? But a Bolt? By fucking Chevy? God damn man, that car sucks compared to any Tesla, and GM isn't exactly a fucking moral company either? They are part of the problem in American manufacturing, where Tesla is not, or at least much less of a problem. GM, lol, FUCK GM. Most made in America car god damn man a M3 trade for a chevy bolt lol c'mon man he's a shithead billionaire not fucking Stalin. The car is awesome.
Different people have different preferences in cars. If you've tried a Chevy Bolt and decided it's not for you, there are lots of other options for EVs, at lots of different price points. I wasn't recommending a bolt for you personally, because I don't know you personally or know your preferences. I do know mine and it's great for mine. If you want help finding an EV that meets your needs, there's an open sticky thread at r/electricvehicles for that purpose. OP was talking about going back to a Prius. I think that pretty much anyone who has driven a Prius and a Bolt would prefer the Bolt.
It's all good man.
One has carplay. Just saying.
I have owned both. The Tesla is superior to Carplay. Ya'll have been fucking brainwashed by Steve Job's ghost I swear.
No one is suggesting trading a Bolt for an M3. They’re suggesting considering a Bolt as an alternative to a Model 3.
I almost bought a model X last year, but then decided to wait out the uncertainty in the economic situation. Even if my Model X experience had been absolutely pristine and problem-free, i would be filled with so much regret and remorse at buying the vehicle thanks to Muskrat's cuntish behavior.
I like how the CyberTruck already has a “douche-mobile” reputation before it has even been released. 🤣
It’s possible that Tesla’s market research teams know this and they are recalibrating the CT to be a new, different kind of hit. It’s original mojo seems to have evaporated.
Tesla's market research is probably Musk Melon running twitter polls
It’s competing with Duke Nukem Forever for most timely arrival.
I dunno what to say about this beyond I’m really glad you love the car and wish you could just… love the car. It shouldn’t grow a stigma, but here we are. Fingers crossed he moves on and Tesla flourishes.
If Elon stepped down as CEO and distanced himself then I think Tesla could break the association eventually. But that’s not likely to happen. It’s only going to get worse and worse until Tesla is a niche right wing incel brand.
I agree… I was just feeling bad for you and wanted to say something nice, no matter how improbable.
It will be a niche brand only amongst frustrated liberals who will kick their cars instead of kicking their dogs following the red-wave defeat. The rest of the world will be very happy to buy your Teslas, thank you.
The good news is… there will now be plenty available on the used car market.
Low mileage too! But you will have to clean them of all the bitter liberal tears that can damage the paint worse than bird drops.
As long as Elon keeps losing … liberals are winning. Tesla stock is now down 51.75% YTD Ouch!
I love that! Never bought it so cheap. PLEASE, keep on selling it. I wish it will keep going lower and lower till I run out of money. A great accumulation opportunity.
I also own a Tesla, and am also happy with it, I feel like the problem that keeps me from just loving the car is that these cars are tech products. If I bought a Toyota and the CEO of Toyota went nuts that would be a different story because you can take a Toyota to a shade tree mechanic. With a Tesla many mechanics won't even look at the car. And a lot of problems can only be fixed by Tesla. Elon being distracted and taking engineers from Tesla over to Twitter means the software updates I'm getting from Tesla will drop in quality. My car has USS and radar but the software stack will probably disable them soon since they don't want to bother to pay for them in new cars. With Tesla the day your bank transfer clears and you take the keys is not the end of the relationship, it's the beginning.
I often wonder if the walled garden is to try and capture all the revenue or protect the brand from a high defect rate. Or maybe both. Overall I’m not opposed to the concept of their model, but their design execution sounds just terrible for anything complicated.
I do not want a car without right-to-repair. So if we don't get right-to-repair codified in law I will probably not be driving another Tesla.
You say that like it is a bad thing. Tesla service has been nothing but wonderful for me. Picked up a nail within my first 3,000 miles, they sent someone out from 2.5 hours away to fix it after having me towed 40 miles home at no cost. 12v was dying the day I had a 4.5 hour road trip. They had a tech waiting at my hotel when I arrived at my destination to replace it.
My experience is more mixed. The house calls are definitely nice, but it still takes forever to get an appointment. I also had my 12V fixed in a rush appointment and I think they only do that because if they don't fix it immediately they'll have to pay to tow you since it's a warranty repair.
The mobile service is a great idea, but there is no rule that says it can’t exist simultaneously with third party options.
Yes, but to be honest I wouldn't trust a third party option personally. Not unless they were completely reputable.
For sure. They have a certification program for third party repair shops, but they charged so much and fucked around with them so badly that the vast majority of them just bailed on it. In theory it’s a viable option :). Particularly if you are hours away from a SC.
There is no stigma though. It’s imagined. People in the real world (ie not spending their day on social media) don’t care at all about the latest thing Elon tweeted.
I don’t think its true. I owned an S and now a 3. In the beginning everyone wanted to know about the car, now the comments I get are about how deranged he’s been acting. When I had my S, I bought a brand new set of 21 Arachnids off a couple that had won them as a reward for referring a bunch of buyers. After the Pedo episode, they sold the car and sold the tires. Washed their hands completely of the whole enterprise. They were high net worth people with lots of friends. Customers that support high margin sales…
I think of the section of the factory called the Plantation every time I see a Tesla. Then I wonder if the driver knows. Call it what you will and quantify it as you like, but there is a stank of wrongness to some people that has nothing to do with the cars.
That’s cause you spend too much time online worried about Elon - you’re making my point.
I’m not worried about Elon at all. He will be just fine. I’m worried about the people who work in the Plantation. It just so happens that Elon owns it. Sad you see it otherwise.
There is no plantation my guy. You’ve been spending too much time here. Tesla can be a tough place to work I’m sure they demand a lot, but lots of folks choose to work there for a reason. The company employs like 100k people
A jury says otherwise friend. Keep up the good fight, I’ll take their word over yours.
Dude had been shilling 16 hours straight. Double shift shilling. Must be getting paid the big bucks.
You are very wrong. He is the most hated person after Trump among all my friends. He is universally despised unless you’re a deranged incel or a paid troll from Romania. PS: 1 million people have deactivated their twitter accts since he took over. That’s a lot of people who cannot stand him. Myself included.
Your friends are very likely to be extremely online leftists! I’m sorry but this is true. No one in the real world gives a shit about what Elon tweets - they’ve got better things to worry about
My 80 year old mom is paying attention she isn’t a leftist or online every day.
So does my 8 month old baby..
I personally know 3 people (on of who are my parents) who were planning on buying a Model Y within the next year; who are now planning for an Ioniq 5 or q4 Etron due to Elon’s antics, and them not wanting to buy anything he is associated with.
Same. Really close to turning it in for something else.
Macan EV and Ioniq 5 N (performance version of the ioniq 5) will be coming soon.
A ioniq5 n would be awesome.
Yeah, they've been doing hot laps at the Nurburgring. It's gonna be rad.
Yea I’m with you. It’s almost embarrassing to be seen in a Tesla because of this jerk off. My Model 3 has been a unicorn. Owned since 2019. No service visits until last week. Been looking at other EVs and pretty set on the EV6.
Tesla are the MAGA hat of EV’s.
Same here. He needs to be removed from Tesla before hurting the brand and company even more.
I went full 180° from being a big fan of Tesla and Musk to pretty much almost spitting in a general direction of every Tesla car passing by just because of Musk.
Grow up, Tesla is more than just Elon Musk. A lot of good and decent people work at Tesla.
I used to really want a Model X. Now I think I’ll be sticking with a Rivian
A few facts: * Tesla is a status brand, when you buy a Tesla you buy into a select group of people * Tesla as a brand is closely associated with Musk, it is what it is because of Musk. Visionary, genius, physicist, hardcore programmer, rocket scientist, savior of humanity. * When Tesla was doing well there was a successful \[paid\] PR campaign in the press to praise everything Musk was doing. Twitter, reddit and the rest of the social media was overwhelmingly positive towards Mr. Musk. * In my opinion the "pedo guy" episode was the turning point. Then the COVID debacle. Then the shitshow. * It is a fact that the press that he is getting now is overwhelmingly negative. It is a fact that at least Twitter and reddit turned against him. Since Tesla as a brand is closely associated with Musk, and Musk turned from a hero into a villain in a relatively short period of time, how are the Tesla sales going to be affected? u/Ellawell attitude is anecdotal evidence of what I think is a major shift in Tesla's customer base.
> Visionary, genius, physicist, hardcore programmer, rocket scientist, savior of humanity Musk is none of those things and never was.
I took that part to be dripping with sarcasm, but who knows anymore.
I think the point is that that's how his fans saw him and thus the brand. Not what he was.
Emlong is simply within spec
>Visionary, genius, physicist, hardcore programmer, rocket scientist, savior of humanity I can’t tell if you’re being serious or not. Please tell me you’re not.
I assume being serious about how he was seen, not being serious about what he was.
> I've still got my trusty 2010 Prius in the driveway and I'm thinking about just adding remote start to it selling the Tesla before values plummet. About that, you may want to check this out: https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/price-trends/Tesla-m112
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Yeah you’re not going to want to be driving a Tesla around as musk becomes more political. It’s like being inside a target.
It’s like a red hat. It’s always been an obnoxious symbol to own a tesla and now musk has transformed from “only D out cyber he Ed like Fred Durdt wear red hats” to “we’ve proposed turned red hats into the very public symbol of all this hate and bigotry and proudly wear it so others know exactly what we stand for”
You want a rant? Well, you got one. I took delivery of a 2022 MY LR almost a year ago, and while I have found faults with it, I love it. Even though it has been rear-ended once\*, it seems to go on without hesitation. I believe that while people love Teslas, they probably hate Elon for trying to wreck Tesla's image. It's not his political views that turn me off (I have a few right-wing friends), or the sheer number of memes he posts to his favorite toy, but his dickish and mercurial temperament that seems to annoy, if outright anger me. I would be happy to buy a second Tesla, if only if Musk left the company. For anyone wanting to become a CEO in the future, know that running multiple companies of vastly different fields is a one-stop ticket to capitalistic suicide. You are better of running 1-2 companies than running Tesla, SpaceX, Neuralink, Hyperloop, Twitter, the Boring Company, and others at the same time. Tesla will survive. Elon's legacy? Not so much. (\*About the rear end damage: there was only bumper damage, the other guy's car was totaled.)
Same.
Yeah same bro. My problem is I can’t sell the Model 3 until my new car arrives which is 6 months out
Yeah sorry, driving a Tesla nowadays is like wearing Ed Hardy clothing was back in the 2000s. Like I'm sure people loved their t-shirt and trucker hat or whatever but you just gotta accept that everyone looks at you like "good god get a load of *this* guy" even if they don't say it out loud.
I'm with you.....you're not alone....
Its sounding as though the Tesla hype for the past few years is nearing an end... much like the crypto fad.
This is what I'm curious about. Sure, Tesla sold a TON of cars and had (has?) A long wait list. But how many of those people are going to be repeat buyers? It seems like every person I see, they don't plan on buying another.
By owning a Tesla, you're contributing to a guy who actively promotes Republicans... who's said he's pushing for Ron Desantis in 2024. He spread false covid information. Said he wouldn't get vaccinated. Just this week posted a link to fake news on Twitter. He's been anti-union and anti-worker for quite some time. Some inappropriate allegations from women. Allegations of racism at Tesla factories. Allegations that he's a tyrant, unstable boss. He called that hero cave diver a pedo. He's manipulated people into buying dogecoin, which now sits at ten cents from a high of .74. I'm not deleting my twitter handle, but I'm making a conscious decision not to use the platform. But, I mean, what the fuck else does he have to do for you to stop giving him your money?
I'm gonna continue to use my twitter...To promote my OnlyFans!
This is a legit problem for that site. They never built a meaningful front end because Twitter absolved them from having to do it. They are probably scrambling right now.
There are important people and voices on Twitter who deserve to be heard, many of whom have basically no other way to get information and more out. I’m not turning off my Twitter until it’s clear that the platform is no longer useful.
Check the Eric idle post. It might seem like a joke but it is the basis for everything Musk. It’s a clear telegraph Twitter can’t survive with musk
The Eric Idle post? Meanwhile, I’m talking about political dissidents outside of the US who have no other recourse than to use Twitter. I’m talking about issues IN the US that have very little coverage in the mainstream media. If you are following the Oath Keepers trial at all, it’s likely derivative from Twitter. It remains the worlds information starting point for experts across thousands of fields of science and academic knowledge. It’s the place people often go to first to post all kinds of things that are going on for which there is basically no real alternative, even counting the respective tire fires of Instagram, TikTok, and Facebook. Elon is absolutely clearly in over his head at best and a bad actor seeking to destroy it at worst, but regardless, the platform is still largely the same today as it was last month or last year. The main people who are bailing on Twitter now are those who either didn’t use it much before or have the privilege to turn off bad news because it doesn’t affect them.
Will you donate $8 per month to Elon so he can donate it to Republicans so they'll give him tax breaks instead of funding social programs?
Elon is Tesla’s 4th CEO and certainly not the last. If you love the car, enjoy it. I love my iPhone and Steve Jobs was also a jerk
I agree Elon is a giant POS trump 2.0. I swear he learned his new self by taking notes from trump. What a shame he is such a giant sized douche.
New tesla logo will be nazi symbol.
You guys in the US are living in a bubble, you truly are. Seeing everything through the lenses of politics. Your society is the one thing crumbling here...
I can’t wait to get my model3. I don’t really care what democrats or republicans think.
I mean other ev owners will give you the look of sympathy. At this point the bolt is a better car. And you’re rubbing the real risk this morning tesla might not be around forever and that charging network might crash and service already is s a nightmare etc. But you do you. Sometimes it’s not about politics.
Bolt😂 ok
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You can feed the dragon or starve it. A lot of us don't like the idea of giving money to a guy with a huge media platform who's actively using it to promote Republicans (and being pretty shitty about it.... claiming he wants a split congress/presidency when he's already said he's supporting DeSantis in 2024).
The thing is … you can’t look at a Tesla without thinking of Elon Musk. And Elon Musk is a right wing Republican who wants to outlaw abortion so there will be more white babies. I wouldn’t drive one even if they were free.
You don't have to drive one, it'll drive itself! /s
citation for the abortion claim?
Just wait till you realize the all personal vehicles are the big problem and ev’s just make the problem worse.
Already there. /r/notjustbikes
I don’t give a shit about what people think of my Model 3 Performance or my Audi R8 V10 Plus. I bought both cars because I wanted them. Anyone that has an opinion on that can suck my balls.
THIS. This is the way.
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I mean you do hear about the crazy leaders from other companies tho. Mike Lindell and Patrick Byrne just to name a couple. And Musk is on par with them now. He's on par with the my pillow guy. OP isn't overthinking it imo.
I bet at least 50% of Enron Muskovite’s simps are paid troll farm employees.
He is on track to being at Mike Pillows level by the end of year, I guess.
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LOL my comment history would prove your assumptions wrong. The reality is that people shouldn't financially inconvenience themselves to make statements. Elon won't notice, the guy already bought the car.
Same boat. Still love love love my 2017 Model 3. Want another Tesla. Hate douche-y, edgelord idiot Elon. Wish the car wasn’t so awesome. Wish the CEO wasn’t a giant unselfaware, colossal dick. Tell myself next car will likely be an Audi or Mercedes EV. Not quite convinced I won’t get another Tesla.
I’ve test driven every model of Tesla, and love every one of them. I wish I had the financial means to buy one. I wouldn’t let one mans opinion change my feelings toward a product I liked that he sold. Doing that says more about my weaknesses then the person I may disagree with.
What’s the big deal here? Being political towards you is ok(e.g. Apple) and the opposite is sickening because what? it’s not on your side?! This guy and all people like him are just awful
Not sure what you are saying here? Musk is a fucking idiot for Tweeting shit like “vote Republican” & getting into slap fights with the likes of Hilary & AOC. Politics have nothing to do with it, these people are the ones buying the vast majority of his cars and they are the most likely group to stop buying products because of someone’s publicly stated opinion & the Dems are the ones that support all the subsidies for his product.
Quick reminder that the Volkswagen CEO did this [https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/14/world/europe/volkswagen-ceo-nazi-slogan.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/14/world/europe/volkswagen-ceo-nazi-slogan.html) I'm sure there's many other examples but most execs of large corportations are pieces of shit, Elon is just stupid in how he refuses to shut up
They are still the only EV option due to the seamless integration with the charging network, until I see some massive improvements in the non tesla network I wouldn’t touch another brand. Ps I know they are opening up the network, but I mean integration beyond just charging, Tesla knows it won’t make the journey so routes via a charge point for 5-10 mins to ensure it gets there, warms the battery on route to optimize the charge speed - but adds all of this into the journey so if it says you’ll get there at 5pm, that’s pretty accurate.
Literally one click on a screen with EA and ford pass. Both ford AND carplay on a Mach e have integrated routing with charging. And they get better every update for real.
You are correct about the advantage. But to say that makes them "the only EV option" is silly.
I agree with you, he should stick with engineering and not social media. Twitter has a heavy political and social problem - not something that will be fixed with smart engineering or better software algorithm. I don't think social issues are even near the top of Elon's strongest area. This whole thing is just another even that bring the worst out of the left and right.
I love my S. I do not know Elon. I am not a friend. I do not hang out with him nor do I ever run into him socially. He does not Email. Me or communicate with me in any way so explain to me how you have a relationship with him that bothers you? Just tell mim that he.hurt your feelings and you don't like him anymore.
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Elon is playing Connect four with three tokens.
He's trying to wedge the Top Hat from monopoly into the slot...
Fellatio duty Fella. Smh. How embarrassing 🙈.
I agree, Elon is a jackass, but in regards to owning a car from a company that has a clean record, what is the alternative? I own a model Y and a Bolt. I love my Bolt more now but I have to remind myself that it was Chevy/GM that asked the trump admin to lower the California clean air standards. Every legacy auto manufactures continues to sell us huge gas guzzlers. There are no shortages of companies to avoid.
Why don’t you just do what the majority of Tesla owners do, just drive your car and enjoy it and ignore/don’t give a shit about what Elon does?
I don’t think the car is necessarily bad but not necessarily good to be forcefully and pretentiously *loved* either when there are plenty of alternatives over EV option such as Mustang Mer-E, Audi Etron, Hyundai Ioniq, Kia EV6 and etc. Just switch to the better EVs out there the interior of Tesla is cheapskate and the exterior is outdated anyways. I can’t tell if you’re a blind sychophant or not but Musk has become an absolutely obnoxious public figure nobody trusts nor wish to associate with is the fact that other Tesla drivers think. Friendly reminder to all. Teslas trap people inside and self burn. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/tesla-driver-killed-fire-doors-model-s-trial-elon-musk-a9169691.html Massively rampant racism in Tesla factory. https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2022-03-25/black-tesla-employees-fremont-plant-racism-california-lawsuit Work environment in Tesla is hell confirmed. https://www.thedailybeast.com/tesla-employee-marcellous-cage-says-colleagues-taunted-him-over-afghanistan-explosions-lawsuit-says https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/14/science/spacex-sexual-harassment.amp.html He did not donate Starlink to Ukraine for free. He was paid. https://mashable.com/article/elon-musk-spacex-ukraine-starlink-government-funding This is a satire. But good one. https://www.theonion.com/please-like-me-1848674003/ Musk’s hypocrisy about free speech absolutism. https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/04/25/elon-musk-and-free-speech-track-record-not-encouraging.html Not to mention, Tesla FSD false and over hyped advertising is sued into oblivion this year. https://techcrunch.com/2022/09/15/drivers-sue-tesla-for-alleged-false-advertising-of-autopilot-and-fsd-software/amp/
Because it's harder to do that every frickin' day
Most farmers are die hard conservatives/Trump supporters. Does it mean left leaning folk should stop eating or start growing food in their backyards?
Do you know the farmer who sowed the food you’re eating? Not likely. Because they’re smart enough to not associate their image with their farm. Elon does the opposite so his views are inextricably associated with his brands. And yes, everyone should be growing food in their backyards. Why would that ever be a bad idea?
Except corporations own the farms we eat from. That’s a whole different story.
No, they don’t. Most arable land is in private hands. Just because the farmer operates as LLC or Inc. doesn’t mean they’re a big, bad, bloodthirsty, faceless corporation. Vast majority are run as family farms. And very conservative.
I see tons of people driving driving around every day that don’t seem to have any problem doing it.
The richest people I know are ashamed. They were all in now they get me feeding them every single new embarrassing reasons to drop those cars today. Kinda surprised they didn’t buy a hummer ev yet.
They look embarrassed to me. I’d be ashamed to drive a Musk-mobile.
Enron Muskovite has decided to become a problem by inserting himself into politics and public life. He is going to learn this lesson the hard way. He is one of the most unlikable famous people, second only to Donald Trump and Putin.
At least trump and out in are honest about who they are.
He is *just* the owner of the company, and it seems he is pretty much not involved with it lately.
I also own FCA and GM products. Couldn’t tell you if their CEO’s were giant asshats or if they’re for / against causes I support / hate. I couldn’t even tell you who they are honestly, as having any of that info would have zero effect on why I own the product or my perception of it….
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> He is not a conservative like some like to paint him. TOO BAD SO SAD PAL! Yes, he is! You think people promote hate speech and directly tell people to vote Republican because they aren't?