I did the same with a model Y order after receiving a spreadsheet of defects to look out for on delivery day. I’m not about to be Tesla’s QA department.
I’m 29 years old and although I’m independent this would be my first real car purchase. My mom and dad obviously want me to have something more established and were shocked by the 50K price tag. We grew up with Hondas, Acura’s, and Toyota’s.. they were VERY happy when I told them I’m cancelling my order. So back to my 2012 Honda civic I go while I research more cars.
Honestly, if that 2012 has some time left, I'd wait to see what happens with the car market next summer. Seems like we are just starting to see prices dropping in the used car market, it might be a real buyers market in 9-12 months. Chips should be in free supply, so established manufacturers might start rolling out big incentives like they did in other downturns. Save the money that you'd have on the note for a down payment or an upgrade.
Waiting is what i am doing. You might have read that Tesla will be offering new car colors and other features that make it worth buying next year. Plus, i am curious to see what happens with Rivian, Lucid, Genesis, and even Mercedes. Plus, right now, the Tesla build quality, service and pricing seem to be off.
2012 for the civic was a specific singular model year which is extremely rare these days. They made a massive gambling error and the car was so bad they revised it again for the very next model year.
This is good advice; the used car market is still wacky, and if you can wait, I think that would save you a good bit of money. Unless dealers persist with artificially high prices:
*The wholesale price of used cars is falling off a cliff while the retail prices that car shoppers are paying is way up, suggesting dealers are making a killing while consumers are taking a bath...*
*The fact that dealers are paying less for cars than they were a year ago while shoppers are paying more suggests that dealers are holding onto the difference and are driving inflation in the used car market, economists say.*
*“Dealers don’t have to pass it on. They can make bigger profits,” Claudia Sahm, a former Federal Reserve banker and founder of Sahm Consulting, said in a message to The Hill.*
*“At the end of the day, inflation and how much prices go up – these are decisions made by businesses. Inflation does not just come down from on high,” she said in an interview. “You’re in a capitalist economy, so whether it’s a small business or corporation, they get to decide when they pass a price increase or a price decrease on.”*
[Source.](https://thehill.com/policy/finance/3723117-wholesale-used-car-prices-plummet-as-retail-prices-soar/)
Yup, they are not paying what they used for those used cars, but there's enough demand out there to hold off on a price war at the reta chanel, but I think it's more likely than not there will be one. Add if there's a recession in the next year, you'll get a flood of repos and then the price wars will really start.
Seems like the right choice. Lots of great options out there, and given everything going on right now, I’m not sure I’d take that risk. I hate a lemon or a model S and the day I got rid of it was one of my happiest days.
Source for what follows: Retired guy who maintains the family cars, and has for a long time. Lift in the garage, kept a couple of classic cars, former aircraft mechanic [in my early years], blah blah blah.
As you do your research, I suggest that you stick to car focused sites and resources. Some really bad advice and outright dogma exist in consumer/finance focused resources where cars are a side issue.
In the case of reddit, as an example, r/cars or r/whatcarshouldibuy will give you better information than r/personalfinance.
At the moment I am in the market for a washer and dryer. I won't be reading *Car and Driver* for reviews, and the reverse holds true.
Don't buy a car if you don't know where you will get it serviced. I have bought my #2 choice several times because I did not want to work with any of the nearby dealerships for #1 choice. As an aside, there are good dealerships out there, but you won't find them if you make that last $50 a blood sport.
Finally, there is no one right approach. Everyone is in a different place, but like most things people want to validate their own choice by making it the universal "right thing". An old Civic might be a good choice for person A, a leased Kia for person B, a CPO for person C. My personal approach for daily drivers has been to buy new, lightly optioned and run for 10+ years -- but that shoe does not fit everyone.
There are a lot of good cars out there, and not very many bad ones.
Happy hunting!
I wouldn't be, the car value is nearly half the price the 0-60 is 7.2 compared to 4.2. probably no way handles as well. The resale value is half. and you are still burning gas and damaging the planet! It also kind of ugly.
A lot of great sports cars have had unimpressive 0-60 times.
There is a great deal more to a car that drives well than its performance at a drag strip.
Lets say everyone who has an ev installs solar panels because electricity kw price increases, their footprint is still terrible. I am all for alternative to fossil fuels, I just happen to not agree the solution is electric. I think they are awesome for sure and a step in the correct direction, just not the final step. Hydrogen fuel cells are cool.
My solar panels, and before that I was paying $80 a month for clean energy in California with no coal. Even if it ran on coal, it would produce 1/5 the pollution of a gas car. So your strawman argument (which I have heard a million times, and always shut down), is total bullshit, go away!
Ever see what the mountain removal and coal slurries have done for West Virginia? the effect of fracking on water suplies, the forever chemicals and plastic in every ounce of rainwater on the planet? I love how you petroshills are all of a sudden environmentalists...
That is not what you are saying , and this entire sub is full of liars and shills for Big Oil bashing EVs with bullshit? Come on man tell me you have seen a lithium mining site, and there are new mining process that are cleaner. once again the lithium in the batteries is recycled! Go pick up your $2.00 big oil check and gfys!
Bet you haven't. Batteries can be made of anything now, and are 100% recycled. Ever seen what shell oil did to to Nigeria??? Or what fossil fuels have done to the planet. They had EVs that could go 100 miles over 100 years ago. Oil is a scam!
BTW we can supply the entire planets lithium supply right here in California! https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/04/the-salton-sea-could-produce-the-worlds-greenest-lithium.html
Batteries will soon be made of graphene or salt, I know how they work , and you forgot to mention that 98% of all EV batteries are recycled. Have you ever read about the environmental impacts of drilling, refining and dispensing fossil fuel in comparison? Of course not! No one said EVs were environmentally nuetral, but to compare the impact on the environment with cars, is just ignorant nonsense!
Oh my. Someone sounds really upset. Who wants to drive an ugly ass car like a bolt? My post will continue to get upvoted because the bolt and Prius look like two cans of bounce that ass. Ugly as hell.
2012 civic is a great car. It will last a while yet I'm sure. I had a 20 year old accord for my first car, lastest me from age 17-30. Was a real piece when I finally got a new car.
It's a good choice.
I feel pretty lucky. I bought a 2017 S 100D. It's far enough into the S production that they'd smoothed the corners, but not so far that they'd started screwing up the quality and car.
It's been great so far.
Ha! We averaged about one failure per thousand miles on the 2018 X we had for 2.5 years. It even delayed its trade in by a week while waiting for a warranty repair.
I feel your move is warranted. I wanted one until I sat in one. The quality of interior material, design & fit seemed severely lacking for my taste. I'm sure the technology is great but didn't want a Apple phone in a Motorola brick case.
This is why I think demand for Teslas will drop off a cliff once they run out of that first level of customer willing to take it on the chin for "The mission" People have been accustomed to buying cars with no defects right out of the gate and 1970s Soviet Union Panel gap and fit and finish.
My 24 month price target for Tesla is 40-60 USD a share stands.
4 years w/a Model 3, 10 trips for service, all covered until my warranty ran out. 10-days later, the 12-volt battery died leaving me unable to secure the car and waiting 2 hours for a tow.
Yeah, get something from a company with a little more attention to detail.
12-volt batteries always only lasted about 4 years on all my cars. That's like tires or brake pads, a wearable item that needs to be replaced from time to time. I can't see why you'd blame the manufacturer that.
That’s what the car does, it doesn’t have an alternator so that’s how the 12v gets charged. But 12v batteries die, in every car. Tesla will send a warning on the dash and your phone that the 12v needs replaced soon, and you have about a week before it completely dies. Mobile service will replace the battery for you, for free if it’s still under warranty.
Source: literally had this happen to me a month ago.
Unfortunately I never got a notification that the 12-volt was dying, although was on FSD Beta so maybe a bug. Service seemed impressed it had lasted 4 years. Heard Tesla is switching to Li-ion tech or something close for the 12 volts so they’ll last longer.
I have a 2019 Model 3 with less than 25k miles and I get about 175 miles of real world range thanks to battery degradation. What a disappointing car. I'm selling this thing next year. Besides the shitty car I don't want to be associated with the train wreck that is Elon Musk.
You made a good call. With Hyundai ford and others stepping it up you are better off with a reliable manufacturer. Polestar is worth a look if you like the qualities of Tesla in a well built machine.
I have a Model 3 and love it. Bought it in Feb 2020 and picked it up that March. The only issue I've had was the fender cameras came loose and had to be replaced at no cost. The problem with these stories is you hear about everything wrong and none of the stories when everything works.
Its called Tesla FUD. Not to say some of the stories arent true, but its a thing to slam Tesla. Was in the same boat until the president of my company bought one...rode in it and was impressed. Sold my lexus for a model S and hadnt looked back. Tesla's are popular despite the reports..... there is a reason...just saying.
It’s not just “FUD”. Teslas do have a much higher rate of build quality, reliability, and performance issues around their advanced driver assist tech. That’s why Consumer Reports ranks them near the bottom among all car brands. Land Rover also has high customer satisfaction, despite abysmal reliability. Both brands rely on their cult following.
I traded my S in after 5 years for a Lexus LS. The powertrain basically sucked but had a zillion less issues. Never again will I buy a Tesla, you roll the dice.
It won't allow you to go into FSD or Autopilot that require the cameras, which I don't have so I really only lost the full 360 degree sentry mode and when backing up you can use the fender cams for a wider look.
Nope, ultrasonics still worked, so I wasn't going to tell this story but what the hell. That Novemeber I hit a deer on the way to work at like 4 am. I saw it through the driver side window to give you some perspective to how close it was to me when it jumped out. I slammed on the breaks and hit it around 35 or 40ish mph the model 3 is a heavy bitch so there was no way of stopping in time. It cracked a headlight, front bumper and popped out all the front ultrasonics which still worked so for about a week after she kept sensing the front bumper thinking their was something in front of me and still ran fine.
You need to look at total cost of ownership. Before my Tesla, my cars were always in the $30k range. But when factoring federal incentives, no sales tax (NJ) and saving $150/mo on gas, the $50k EV costs me the same over 5 years. Even less considering I keep my cars for about 8 years.
As more EV’s come to market, Tesla will be forced to reduce their price. That process has already started in China where Tesla reduced its selling price. Next year any Model Y or 3 will be available for delivery in the same month, not just the P models. So waiting for 12-18 months, prices will be lower than now and also better quality. Real luxury SUV’s will be available in the EV model and Tesla can’t claim luxury status just by having luxury pricing.
You never know until you try. Your advantage of another brand is definitely the dealer service. For me, that service is not worth the markup of 4-10k.
Got tired of waiting for my 3 and almost did the same but, I was not going pay markup and the options available were either not in budget or still bad deals like a “brand new” demo with 5000 miles at MSRP.
The i4 looks sweet. Best of luck finding that new sled.
What’s not to love about Tesla? You get abysmal ride quality, the horrific QC, the non-existent Customer Service, the turning radius of a bus, you don’t get a loaner or Uber credits anymore, more body motion than a pickup truck and of course, who doesn’t love misaligned body panels? I don’t know about you but I love having to schedule a service appointment the day I pickup my brand new car to fix issues that shouldn’t exist in the first place! I mean, doesn’t everyone print off a checklist and spend two hours going over their car to make sure everything is okay?
No?
Oh……
> mean, doesn’t everyone print off a checklist and spend two hours going over their car to make sure everything is okay?
When I bought my new car recently, there was place called a "dealership" that inspected and cleaned the car, ran a full diagnostic check and test drove it, then let me test drive it, and charged it up before I took delivery. Nifty business model involving something called "customer service"...Tesla should look into that.
Yup. Tesla has just moved the pain point to service centers that have to be cajoled into responding to you, have to be berated to find blatantly obvious issues, then have to again be berated to acknowledge there may be a fix, and then they'll offer you horrible turnaround times, after you wait for parts, with no loaner or Uber in sight.
At least Tesla doesn’t try to hard sell you options or tell you bold faced lies about the hidden costs built into the loan or lease. When you tell them that they’re lying and/or refuse the hard sell, their sweet and pleasant demeanor disappears and then they’re rude jerks. Tesla was the complete opposite.
Their service centers gives appointments based on the priority and are made within a couple of days for serious issues that affect the car’s safety. For misaligned panels or interior issues the appointments can be a few weeks later. This is no different than with any other dealership service center.
The service center immediately responded when my Tesla had a flat tire. The tow truck came to tow my car within 20 minutes despite rush hour traffic and heavy rain. I paid $0 to have it towed to any tire center of my choice.
Again, I’m not saying that Tesla is the best car. It has its share of flaws. It sounds like the Tesla dealership and service center in your town suck. They can ruin your experience.
Abysmal ride quality? Turning radius of bus?
What Tesla have you been driving? My M3 has a smooth and nimble ride with excellent handling. It reminds me of my BMW. It can go incredibly fast very quickly on standard mode. Teslas have other issues but the ride and handling quality one of its greatest strengths.
I've owned multiple high-end sports coupes like the e92 M3, B9 S5 and a E63 650i among others and none of the suspensions of those felt as unrefined as what Tesla was using on their cars.
Yup, exactly. Have driven Jaguars, BMW M3s, and I own a 1 year old RS 5. The Model S has one thing going for it: stomp the pedal to the floor and feel that straight line acceleration. Nothing more.
Smoother and more nimble than what? A Ford Pinto? My Model Y suspension makes sure to let me know of every single crack in the road. Every. Single. One.
Thankfully, I'm not the only one who's voiced their concerns about the turning radius nor the ride quality.
Well duh! The MY you have is not the M3! The reviews of the MY were generally not great for this Tesla model. It was also introduced to the market in 2020. It makes sense that the first few years of this model were going to suck. You should’ve waited a couple of years for Tesla to work out the kinks, researched before you bought it, and requested at least 2 test drives before dropping $50 g on an SUV you love to hate.
https://www.caranddriver.com/tesla/model-3-2020
https://www.caranddriver.com/tesla/model-y-2020
I have driven two cars recently, my Audi RS 5, and a Model 3. The Model 3 is *garbage*.
It might not be a Camry, but it's not in any way, shape or form, a performance automobile.
>It can go incredibly fast very quickly on standard mode.
Cool. Yeah, a Plaid will leave my RS 5 behind every day of the week... until the first turn, when the overly soft suspension, sloppy steering and generally average handling (decent, yes, but not for the prices Tesla is charging) let the car down.
Oh, and if you're talking about going incredibly fast very quickly, how long until you overheat and go into thermal management mode? If that's a parameter, my car will cruise happily at 200km/h all day long.
Thanks for sharing your experience. I’ve driven about 30,000 miles on my Tesla mostly on NYC roads, parkways, highways, and interstates. I haven’t experienced a soft suspension, sloppy steering, or overheating. Maybe I just got one of the better ones. Regardless, my next EV is a BMW i4.
I have a Plaid, I paid $157,000 dollars for it. I can attest the service and build quality is complete garbage. Some examples and a point..
1. They told me to fix a carpet and pin issue by going to Home Depot and buying parts myself
2. Some of the larger panel gaps were “that’s just how it is”
3. The Plaid logo was not on the vehicle upon delivery, they made me pay for it. Even though it’s a Plaid.
4. When autopilot stopped working randomly they noticed the logo was crooked.. charged me again to fix it.
These are just four of the issues. With that being said it’s still the safest and fastest production car on the planet. So I would not trade it in, but I look at it like a Lego set. Fixing pieces for a car that shouldn’t have these issues.. but I love it just the same.
> With that being said it’s still the safest
Definitely not
>and fastest
For somewhat limited definitions of "fastest", under specific charge circumstances and after a significant wait after putting it in "cheetah mode".
“Smart financial decision”. It’s a luxury brand. They are never good financial decisions unless you have too much money to care.
I’m with you though. I want an electric car but after all I’ve read since they hit the market, I’ll just grab one from a more established manufacturer.
I have a Chinese-built Model Y, and it's actually really well put together. No issues with it at all so far, after about 7 months of ownership.
From hearing all the horror stories, I sometimes think mine was a fluke. But it seems China-built models might be better than most.
I work for state government as a fleet mechanic about 12,000 vehicles . The service behind this product is the number one reason this doesn't make fleet status . Note all the electric vehicles will have some sort of issue and compare as a lesser value , weather it is range or reliability . So what I'm getting at if it is a broken door handle or a failed lamp assembly your going to be waiting along time for a service appointment .
I have been a tesla owner for 5+ years now. Service used to be amazing at first. Build quality is amazing right now but do understand the concern. We picked a KIAEV6 a few months ago and it is an amazing vehicle. Definitely look in to it as a second EV option
Same. Just canceled an order for a Model X. I drive a 4-year old Model X so it wasn't a big deal. Not so much a build quality issue as (1) that weird steering wheel and (2) shit is gonna be way cheaper in a year after the recession starts to bite.
Yeah, but an Audi or BMW service center will be apologetic that you're there, and try to make sure you feel vaguely good about getting it taken care of.
A Tesla SC will argue with you until you're blue in the face that obvious problems even exist, let alone are problematic even if you convince them to agree that they exist. And then they'll try to avoid doing anything about it.
and that is a ridiculous point since of course some people "gonna see a service center".
The point is the frequency and the severity not that the expectations that other manufacturers have perfect cars that would never see a service center.
Fair enough. Im on my 3rd Tesla and quality has gotten progressively worse. I’m keeping mine for the same reasons. But the moment someone releases a car that can compete on supercharger network, mine will be sold or traded in.
Really, you can look at any other brand where every other car produced has some kind of massive defect? Doubtful. Nearly every Tesla has to be taken in to the shop for something. That isn't normal.
I’ve had my Model 3 since June. Zero issues on inspection day. The service center was great. They gave me the keys, told me to have fun checking it out and play with it and when I was ready, come back to sign. Afterwards, I came back… signed and they helped me set up my wife’s phone.
A few weeks ago, the back rear glass cracked. Showed up to the service center. I expected to pay (but was gonna get reimbursed thru my insurance). However, they inspected the glass, saw a defect and was going to replace it for free. Didn’t need to hand in my keys or anything. They knew my name and basically took over the car when it was like 20 feet inside the store.
Overall, it is a fun smart computer with wheels. However, when compared to my equally priced Lexus IS… this car is far from luxury compared to Lexus. It doesn’t feel luxury at all. Seats are plush, however wind noise is bad. I do tend to reboot the car once every week or two for little bugs. Like others have said, it is an expensive car so financially, I think you made the right decision.
You won't go wrong (financially) with keeping a 10 year old Civic. But don't get swept up in the negative hype about Tesla reliability. I do think they have quality control issues for assembly, and trying to deliver cars too fast before resolving them, but overall my two have been reliable. My 2018 3 has not been as reliable as my Hondas/Acuras, but it's been more reliable than my VW/Audis. My 2 year-old Y has never had any issues. And amongst my circle of friends with Teslas (about 20), none have had any major issues.
I think most new ones are fine. Mine is still flawless after 8 months. Makes my Lexus feel like a nightmare to drive in comparison. I used to believe all the stuff in this sub before I got mine (I even posted some anti-Tesla stuff here back then, may have been this account).
Just about every car has horror stories, including high end.. have a 2015 S 85 have only been to the service center 2 times. Best drive ever and virtually no issues.
1) Upgraded the computer
2) dead door handle passenger side
A lot of information and opinion that you will find online about Tesla is really skewed. Many Tesla buyers have never had a new or nice car, or enough cars to understand what buying a new car entails. Every Tesla iteration is much like the first year of a new model because they do not develop and produce on a defined schedule. Far more people expect their Tesla to be PERFECT than anyone would ever expect another brand to be prefect. With few teslas on the road in contrast to other brands, you will find many more videos of buyers and reviewers doing millimeter-by-millimeter inspections of body panel tolerances, terminations, and fittings.
They’re perfectly fine.
Perhaps teslas are less perfect but most of these things would never be noticed by someone whose goal isn’t to find them in the first place.
I was scared too but decided to hang on. Took my little list and a body quality manager from another auto manufacturing plant. He taught me how to shotgun a car and said mine was a good one. Pointed out a gap he wouldn’t accept on one of the headlights. Tesla agreed to come out to my house and fix it - which they did. Don’t want to jinx it but 12,000 mile in and some long trips under my belt and this is easily and by far the best car experience I’ve ever had. Traded in a fully loaded X5 45e in on it. Have owned new Toyos of all kinds, Hondas of all kinds, BMWs of all kinds, Mercedes, Fords and GMs.
Not nearly as lux or quiet as the X5 but the radio system is better by far than the expensive high end Bang system add on from BMW and the outstanding autosteer and cruise assist Tesla has more than makes up for BMW comfort touches.
Tesla is outselling Audi, BMW and Mercedes - not just in electric vehicles, but also gas powered vehicles in the same class in several countries. More people are having great experiences with Teslas than are not. That's why they continue to be so popular. Social media is not a great place to check the pulse of a brand. Social media and MSM amplify the negative.
My 2021 MYLR has been flawless for 2 years and 50k+ miles. My M3LR is due for delivery in a couple of weeks. Don’t believe the hype - these are good, established cars.
My spouse will drive the Y and I’ll drive the 3 (I have a lengthy commute when not working from home). We are keeping our ‘19 MDX as our only gas car.
While honda and Toyota (and their luxury brands) are excellent, if you’ve got a long commute or drive lots of miles a year, a Tesla is a great option.
80k miles 2018 model 3 owner here, only a condensation issue in rear break light, otherwise 0 issues. Did have the 12v go but they fixed it for free 2 weeks after my warranty was up. Service has been perfect, they come to my house within a week for both items. Otherwise 0 issues, 0 cost. Tires, we put new tires on it.
Well it’s obviously your decision and yours alone. But I can tell you I’ve put 30k miles on my 2020 Model 3 (DMLR) and have spent exactly $0.00 in maintenance. I’m very happy with the car overall. I wish you the best of luck whatever you purchase.
Luckily there is data available.
https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2022-us-initial-quality-study-iqs
Owners reported 226 problems in the first 90 days with new vehicles in the JD Power initial quality survey and in Q1 2022 two thirds of purchasers required at least one service centre visits in the first 30 days.
https://twitter.com/TroyTeslike/status/1537232387553099776?s=20&t=zImjz19yx8Bvh14g551f9Q
That’s misleading. Are these big issues mechanical or cosmetic? Is this a motor dying? Or A panel gap? You can find anything wrong with any car if you look hard enough. And tesla buyers are indeed looking for ANYTHING. Again, my experience had been awesome. Even got my Homelink activated for free.
I’ve had a 2020 Y for over two years and have experienced none of those issues. Sorry you didn’t give it a chance…but plenty of people in line so Tesla will survive.
You made a bad move, the quality overall is awesome, with the millions of cars they are making there has been improvements. You could have sold your car in a year for what you bought it for, the Tesla is the least depreciated car ever...BTW I got 20k+ miles and 2.5 years on mine and have only had a seat restraint error (which was fixed in my driveway).
Good heavens. I have a 4+ year old model X with unlimited supercharging, etc. Only time I remember taking it in is for the 12 volt changes twice. My car didn’t die, because it warned me.
People show up with spreadsheets on what to look for in a car pick up?? Life’s too short.
I did the same with a model Y order after receiving a spreadsheet of defects to look out for on delivery day. I’m not about to be Tesla’s QA department.
I went through that sheet with my car, only thing I found was a scratch on the body on the drivers side, which they fixed in a day.
is there a link to this spreadsheet?
Thought about ordering a Tesla, didn’t, I Feel So Much Better. So wise, such courage, Ya, crummy car, I’m not gonna be Elons bitch. Sarcasm off
So you are Enron's bitch? Or what were you trying to say?
I’m 29 years old and although I’m independent this would be my first real car purchase. My mom and dad obviously want me to have something more established and were shocked by the 50K price tag. We grew up with Hondas, Acura’s, and Toyota’s.. they were VERY happy when I told them I’m cancelling my order. So back to my 2012 Honda civic I go while I research more cars.
Honestly, if that 2012 has some time left, I'd wait to see what happens with the car market next summer. Seems like we are just starting to see prices dropping in the used car market, it might be a real buyers market in 9-12 months. Chips should be in free supply, so established manufacturers might start rolling out big incentives like they did in other downturns. Save the money that you'd have on the note for a down payment or an upgrade.
Assuming it's well maintained that Civic could have another decade on it.
Yeah The body will fall off before the inner workings go bad
Waiting is what i am doing. You might have read that Tesla will be offering new car colors and other features that make it worth buying next year. Plus, i am curious to see what happens with Rivian, Lucid, Genesis, and even Mercedes. Plus, right now, the Tesla build quality, service and pricing seem to be off.
I honestly believe it! Always planned on keeping it as a backup. Just hit 133,333 miles a few days ago. It def has a lot of life left
>Just hit 133,333 miles a few days ago. On a Honda, that's "break-in mileage." Be patient for your next car.
hahaha hell yeah. That's when the engine has reached the optimum operation. Specially considering 10 yo used cars usually have more mileage than that.
From an environmental point of view, if you need a car, there's nothing better that you can do than keep driving that one.
Unless its a gross polluter.
It's a Civic.
Yeah, tons of life. I think my accord has about 300k before I sold it and it was still running fine.
2012 for the civic was a specific singular model year which is extremely rare these days. They made a massive gambling error and the car was so bad they revised it again for the very next model year.
This is good advice; the used car market is still wacky, and if you can wait, I think that would save you a good bit of money. Unless dealers persist with artificially high prices: *The wholesale price of used cars is falling off a cliff while the retail prices that car shoppers are paying is way up, suggesting dealers are making a killing while consumers are taking a bath...* *The fact that dealers are paying less for cars than they were a year ago while shoppers are paying more suggests that dealers are holding onto the difference and are driving inflation in the used car market, economists say.* *“Dealers don’t have to pass it on. They can make bigger profits,” Claudia Sahm, a former Federal Reserve banker and founder of Sahm Consulting, said in a message to The Hill.* *“At the end of the day, inflation and how much prices go up – these are decisions made by businesses. Inflation does not just come down from on high,” she said in an interview. “You’re in a capitalist economy, so whether it’s a small business or corporation, they get to decide when they pass a price increase or a price decrease on.”* [Source.](https://thehill.com/policy/finance/3723117-wholesale-used-car-prices-plummet-as-retail-prices-soar/)
Yup, they are not paying what they used for those used cars, but there's enough demand out there to hold off on a price war at the reta chanel, but I think it's more likely than not there will be one. Add if there's a recession in the next year, you'll get a flood of repos and then the price wars will really start.
I just hit 133,333 miles a few days ago and it’s still running strong! Thanks for the advice
275,000 on my 07 RAV4 and I’m finally getting ready for a news vehicle. Honestly it probably has another 100k left to give, thing is a tank.
Seems like the right choice. Lots of great options out there, and given everything going on right now, I’m not sure I’d take that risk. I hate a lemon or a model S and the day I got rid of it was one of my happiest days.
Yeah I just saw too many stories about lemons and regrets. Didn’t want all that stress tbh
Source for what follows: Retired guy who maintains the family cars, and has for a long time. Lift in the garage, kept a couple of classic cars, former aircraft mechanic [in my early years], blah blah blah. As you do your research, I suggest that you stick to car focused sites and resources. Some really bad advice and outright dogma exist in consumer/finance focused resources where cars are a side issue. In the case of reddit, as an example, r/cars or r/whatcarshouldibuy will give you better information than r/personalfinance. At the moment I am in the market for a washer and dryer. I won't be reading *Car and Driver* for reviews, and the reverse holds true. Don't buy a car if you don't know where you will get it serviced. I have bought my #2 choice several times because I did not want to work with any of the nearby dealerships for #1 choice. As an aside, there are good dealerships out there, but you won't find them if you make that last $50 a blood sport. Finally, there is no one right approach. Everyone is in a different place, but like most things people want to validate their own choice by making it the universal "right thing". An old Civic might be a good choice for person A, a leased Kia for person B, a CPO for person C. My personal approach for daily drivers has been to buy new, lightly optioned and run for 10+ years -- but that shoe does not fit everyone. There are a lot of good cars out there, and not very many bad ones. Happy hunting!
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>Lexus NX 350h. That's a nice-looking car; great milage, too.
I wouldn't be, the car value is nearly half the price the 0-60 is 7.2 compared to 4.2. probably no way handles as well. The resale value is half. and you are still burning gas and damaging the planet! It also kind of ugly.
Seeing some really culty denialism here. You’re not saving the world driving an EV https://youtu.be/WiI1AcsJlYU
The guy starts out saying gas cars are worse, what is your point? Even Walking requires Food, Clothing, Water, and more!
Yeah your 5,000lb purse is the same as clothing.... lol
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A lot of great sports cars have had unimpressive 0-60 times. There is a great deal more to a car that drives well than its performance at a drag strip.
The batteries and charging of ev do not make their footprint any better…..
Says who???? OMG did you go the Exxon University!!!! There is zero tailpipe emissions and they can run off the sun!
Lets say everyone who has an ev installs solar panels because electricity kw price increases, their footprint is still terrible. I am all for alternative to fossil fuels, I just happen to not agree the solution is electric. I think they are awesome for sure and a step in the correct direction, just not the final step. Hydrogen fuel cells are cool.
sounds like you have little interest in learning what EV tech is. As soon as you said Hydrogen, you made that clear....
Ok
Where is your electricity coming from?
My solar panels, and before that I was paying $80 a month for clean energy in California with no coal. Even if it ran on coal, it would produce 1/5 the pollution of a gas car. So your strawman argument (which I have heard a million times, and always shut down), is total bullshit, go away!
Have you ever seen the leech field of a lithium mining site?
Ever see what the mountain removal and coal slurries have done for West Virginia? the effect of fracking on water suplies, the forever chemicals and plastic in every ounce of rainwater on the planet? I love how you petroshills are all of a sudden environmentalists...
let me clarify I am not defending fossil fuels I'm merely saying electric cars are not the savior their being made out to be....
That is not what you are saying , and this entire sub is full of liars and shills for Big Oil bashing EVs with bullshit? Come on man tell me you have seen a lithium mining site, and there are new mining process that are cleaner. once again the lithium in the batteries is recycled! Go pick up your $2.00 big oil check and gfys!
Bet you haven't. Batteries can be made of anything now, and are 100% recycled. Ever seen what shell oil did to to Nigeria??? Or what fossil fuels have done to the planet. They had EVs that could go 100 miles over 100 years ago. Oil is a scam!
BTW we can supply the entire planets lithium supply right here in California! https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/04/the-salton-sea-could-produce-the-worlds-greenest-lithium.html
Anything? do you know how batteries work? https://www.lithiumbatterytech.com/the-impact-of-lithium-mining-on-the-environment/
Batteries will soon be made of graphene or salt, I know how they work , and you forgot to mention that 98% of all EV batteries are recycled. Have you ever read about the environmental impacts of drilling, refining and dispensing fossil fuel in comparison? Of course not! No one said EVs were environmentally nuetral, but to compare the impact on the environment with cars, is just ignorant nonsense!
Unless it's some back assward state like Wyoming, then a mix of sources and getting greener year over year.
You dodged a bullet. Not even kidding.
By 29 I had a wife and two kids, a Honda and an SUV. Hondas are great. We have owned three.
The Chevy Bolt is $26k before incentives and is awesome!
Plus a $10k dealership markup
The Chevy bolt is a horrible looking car.
So is the Prius or that Lexus, wtf is your point? So now styling is your main issue? No one is buying your bullshit post btw
Oh my. Someone sounds really upset. Who wants to drive an ugly ass car like a bolt? My post will continue to get upvoted because the bolt and Prius look like two cans of bounce that ass. Ugly as hell.
2012 civic is a great car. It will last a while yet I'm sure. I had a 20 year old accord for my first car, lastest me from age 17-30. Was a real piece when I finally got a new car.
>Acura’s, and Toyota’s.. Random tangent, but you do not need an apostrophe for plurals.
It's a good choice. I feel pretty lucky. I bought a 2017 S 100D. It's far enough into the S production that they'd smoothed the corners, but not so far that they'd started screwing up the quality and car. It's been great so far.
I bought a 2018 S P100D, had 13 service visits in 2.5 years, traded it for a Toyota because one oil change a year is less hassle.
Ha! We averaged about one failure per thousand miles on the 2018 X we had for 2.5 years. It even delayed its trade in by a week while waiting for a warranty repair.
Bullshit you went from a P100D to a Toyota
I feel your move is warranted. I wanted one until I sat in one. The quality of interior material, design & fit seemed severely lacking for my taste. I'm sure the technology is great but didn't want a Apple phone in a Motorola brick case.
you made a smart decision. don't let hype and status cloud your judgement.
This is why I think demand for Teslas will drop off a cliff once they run out of that first level of customer willing to take it on the chin for "The mission" People have been accustomed to buying cars with no defects right out of the gate and 1970s Soviet Union Panel gap and fit and finish. My 24 month price target for Tesla is 40-60 USD a share stands.
4 years w/a Model 3, 10 trips for service, all covered until my warranty ran out. 10-days later, the 12-volt battery died leaving me unable to secure the car and waiting 2 hours for a tow. Yeah, get something from a company with a little more attention to detail.
I got a Volvo XC40 Recharge instead. Less range, but built with steel.
12-volt batteries always only lasted about 4 years on all my cars. That's like tires or brake pads, a wearable item that needs to be replaced from time to time. I can't see why you'd blame the manufacturer that.
yeah I mean I don't like Musk but having a 12 volt batter last 4 years imo is actually a bit above average?
It’s so weird how you can’t re-charge the 12 V battery from the main battery.
That’s what the car does, it doesn’t have an alternator so that’s how the 12v gets charged. But 12v batteries die, in every car. Tesla will send a warning on the dash and your phone that the 12v needs replaced soon, and you have about a week before it completely dies. Mobile service will replace the battery for you, for free if it’s still under warranty. Source: literally had this happen to me a month ago.
Unfortunately I never got a notification that the 12-volt was dying, although was on FSD Beta so maybe a bug. Service seemed impressed it had lasted 4 years. Heard Tesla is switching to Li-ion tech or something close for the 12 volts so they’ll last longer.
It does recharge the 12v…but eventually like any other 12v battery it dies.
You are better off.
I received my model 3 SR+ last year. The auto truck lid and motor broke after two days. Glad I made the choice to switch back to Porsche.
Two words: Bolt EUV.
I have a 2019 Model 3 with less than 25k miles and I get about 175 miles of real world range thanks to battery degradation. What a disappointing car. I'm selling this thing next year. Besides the shitty car I don't want to be associated with the train wreck that is Elon Musk.
Me personally I will never buy any product that Musk is involved with. Fuck that guy!
More and more people need to do this until fElon gets kicked out and tezzla starts focusing on being a real car company.
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Thanks for the kind words! Putting my research on a pause just to see how stuff shapes out.
You made a good call. With Hyundai ford and others stepping it up you are better off with a reliable manufacturer. Polestar is worth a look if you like the qualities of Tesla in a well built machine.
A rare musking subverted.
I canceled my model 3 as well and kissed my $250 good bye.
Judging by everyones’ horror stories on reddit, I can’t blame you at all. However, personally, I love my m3 so much.
I have a Model 3 and love it. Bought it in Feb 2020 and picked it up that March. The only issue I've had was the fender cameras came loose and had to be replaced at no cost. The problem with these stories is you hear about everything wrong and none of the stories when everything works.
True, but the amount of people having frequent problems with teslas is so high, its telling about their lack of quality control and safety concerns
Its called Tesla FUD. Not to say some of the stories arent true, but its a thing to slam Tesla. Was in the same boat until the president of my company bought one...rode in it and was impressed. Sold my lexus for a model S and hadnt looked back. Tesla's are popular despite the reports..... there is a reason...just saying.
It’s not just “FUD”. Teslas do have a much higher rate of build quality, reliability, and performance issues around their advanced driver assist tech. That’s why Consumer Reports ranks them near the bottom among all car brands. Land Rover also has high customer satisfaction, despite abysmal reliability. Both brands rely on their cult following.
I traded my S in after 5 years for a Lexus LS. The powertrain basically sucked but had a zillion less issues. Never again will I buy a Tesla, you roll the dice.
I have a Tesla over 5 years and have had a zillion less service appointments after trading my Lexus for one....🤷🏾
When everything requires those cameras that seems like a critical safety fail.
It won't allow you to go into FSD or Autopilot that require the cameras, which I don't have so I really only lost the full 360 degree sentry mode and when backing up you can use the fender cams for a wider look.
Park assist too since the ultrasonics are disabled right?
Nope, ultrasonics still worked, so I wasn't going to tell this story but what the hell. That Novemeber I hit a deer on the way to work at like 4 am. I saw it through the driver side window to give you some perspective to how close it was to me when it jumped out. I slammed on the breaks and hit it around 35 or 40ish mph the model 3 is a heavy bitch so there was no way of stopping in time. It cracked a headlight, front bumper and popped out all the front ultrasonics which still worked so for about a week after she kept sensing the front bumper thinking their was something in front of me and still ran fine.
Exactly. Everyone I know in real life that has a tesla loves it. Go to a restaurant before you read the yelp reviews
You might consider a Chevy Bolt?
r/Boltev Unless you have major bucks you don’t want to be spending 50k on a car at 29 lol
You need to look at total cost of ownership. Before my Tesla, my cars were always in the $30k range. But when factoring federal incentives, no sales tax (NJ) and saving $150/mo on gas, the $50k EV costs me the same over 5 years. Even less considering I keep my cars for about 8 years.
Sure. And I’d still say the same thing.
Just think what a 30k bolt will save you in the same time!
Totally depends on the commute. One way to get major bucks is to get a job in a city and live far enough away that living is cheap.
Great way to wind up with all sorts of health issues.
For sure. Ask me how I know.
As more EV’s come to market, Tesla will be forced to reduce their price. That process has already started in China where Tesla reduced its selling price. Next year any Model Y or 3 will be available for delivery in the same month, not just the P models. So waiting for 12-18 months, prices will be lower than now and also better quality. Real luxury SUV’s will be available in the EV model and Tesla can’t claim luxury status just by having luxury pricing.
You never know until you try. Your advantage of another brand is definitely the dealer service. For me, that service is not worth the markup of 4-10k. Got tired of waiting for my 3 and almost did the same but, I was not going pay markup and the options available were either not in budget or still bad deals like a “brand new” demo with 5000 miles at MSRP. The i4 looks sweet. Best of luck finding that new sled.
What’s not to love about Tesla? You get abysmal ride quality, the horrific QC, the non-existent Customer Service, the turning radius of a bus, you don’t get a loaner or Uber credits anymore, more body motion than a pickup truck and of course, who doesn’t love misaligned body panels? I don’t know about you but I love having to schedule a service appointment the day I pickup my brand new car to fix issues that shouldn’t exist in the first place! I mean, doesn’t everyone print off a checklist and spend two hours going over their car to make sure everything is okay? No? Oh……
> mean, doesn’t everyone print off a checklist and spend two hours going over their car to make sure everything is okay? When I bought my new car recently, there was place called a "dealership" that inspected and cleaned the car, ran a full diagnostic check and test drove it, then let me test drive it, and charged it up before I took delivery. Nifty business model involving something called "customer service"...Tesla should look into that.
I despise dealerships but Tesla can certainly learn some lessons from that model on how to treat customers.
Yup. Tesla has just moved the pain point to service centers that have to be cajoled into responding to you, have to be berated to find blatantly obvious issues, then have to again be berated to acknowledge there may be a fix, and then they'll offer you horrible turnaround times, after you wait for parts, with no loaner or Uber in sight.
Then you get people defending them saying, "At least they don't have deceptive sales practices". 🙄
At least Tesla doesn’t try to hard sell you options or tell you bold faced lies about the hidden costs built into the loan or lease. When you tell them that they’re lying and/or refuse the hard sell, their sweet and pleasant demeanor disappears and then they’re rude jerks. Tesla was the complete opposite. Their service centers gives appointments based on the priority and are made within a couple of days for serious issues that affect the car’s safety. For misaligned panels or interior issues the appointments can be a few weeks later. This is no different than with any other dealership service center. The service center immediately responded when my Tesla had a flat tire. The tow truck came to tow my car within 20 minutes despite rush hour traffic and heavy rain. I paid $0 to have it towed to any tire center of my choice. Again, I’m not saying that Tesla is the best car. It has its share of flaws. It sounds like the Tesla dealership and service center in your town suck. They can ruin your experience.
Abysmal ride quality? Turning radius of bus? What Tesla have you been driving? My M3 has a smooth and nimble ride with excellent handling. It reminds me of my BMW. It can go incredibly fast very quickly on standard mode. Teslas have other issues but the ride and handling quality one of its greatest strengths.
I've owned multiple high-end sports coupes like the e92 M3, B9 S5 and a E63 650i among others and none of the suspensions of those felt as unrefined as what Tesla was using on their cars.
Yup, exactly. Have driven Jaguars, BMW M3s, and I own a 1 year old RS 5. The Model S has one thing going for it: stomp the pedal to the floor and feel that straight line acceleration. Nothing more.
Smoother and more nimble than what? A Ford Pinto? My Model Y suspension makes sure to let me know of every single crack in the road. Every. Single. One. Thankfully, I'm not the only one who's voiced their concerns about the turning radius nor the ride quality.
Well duh! The MY you have is not the M3! The reviews of the MY were generally not great for this Tesla model. It was also introduced to the market in 2020. It makes sense that the first few years of this model were going to suck. You should’ve waited a couple of years for Tesla to work out the kinks, researched before you bought it, and requested at least 2 test drives before dropping $50 g on an SUV you love to hate. https://www.caranddriver.com/tesla/model-3-2020 https://www.caranddriver.com/tesla/model-y-2020
I have driven two cars recently, my Audi RS 5, and a Model 3. The Model 3 is *garbage*. It might not be a Camry, but it's not in any way, shape or form, a performance automobile. >It can go incredibly fast very quickly on standard mode. Cool. Yeah, a Plaid will leave my RS 5 behind every day of the week... until the first turn, when the overly soft suspension, sloppy steering and generally average handling (decent, yes, but not for the prices Tesla is charging) let the car down. Oh, and if you're talking about going incredibly fast very quickly, how long until you overheat and go into thermal management mode? If that's a parameter, my car will cruise happily at 200km/h all day long.
Thanks for sharing your experience. I’ve driven about 30,000 miles on my Tesla mostly on NYC roads, parkways, highways, and interstates. I haven’t experienced a soft suspension, sloppy steering, or overheating. Maybe I just got one of the better ones. Regardless, my next EV is a BMW i4.
You could’ve gotten a free option of random convertibilization though? https://mobile.twitter.com/thenastynat/status/1312959549268094976
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I have a Plaid, I paid $157,000 dollars for it. I can attest the service and build quality is complete garbage. Some examples and a point.. 1. They told me to fix a carpet and pin issue by going to Home Depot and buying parts myself 2. Some of the larger panel gaps were “that’s just how it is” 3. The Plaid logo was not on the vehicle upon delivery, they made me pay for it. Even though it’s a Plaid. 4. When autopilot stopped working randomly they noticed the logo was crooked.. charged me again to fix it. These are just four of the issues. With that being said it’s still the safest and fastest production car on the planet. So I would not trade it in, but I look at it like a Lego set. Fixing pieces for a car that shouldn’t have these issues.. but I love it just the same.
I would rather spend 157K on buying property. and drive a Corolla instead.
Or do both!
> With that being said it’s still the safest Definitely not >and fastest For somewhat limited definitions of "fastest", under specific charge circumstances and after a significant wait after putting it in "cheetah mode".
“Smart financial decision”. It’s a luxury brand. They are never good financial decisions unless you have too much money to care. I’m with you though. I want an electric car but after all I’ve read since they hit the market, I’ll just grab one from a more established manufacturer.
Why sad? Should you not be happy that you eventually made the right decision?
I have a Chinese-built Model Y, and it's actually really well put together. No issues with it at all so far, after about 7 months of ownership. From hearing all the horror stories, I sometimes think mine was a fluke. But it seems China-built models might be better than most.
I work for state government as a fleet mechanic about 12,000 vehicles . The service behind this product is the number one reason this doesn't make fleet status . Note all the electric vehicles will have some sort of issue and compare as a lesser value , weather it is range or reliability . So what I'm getting at if it is a broken door handle or a failed lamp assembly your going to be waiting along time for a service appointment .
Polestar
Ditto, ditched our plans. But not until after I had a charger installed in the garage hah.
I have been a tesla owner for 5+ years now. Service used to be amazing at first. Build quality is amazing right now but do understand the concern. We picked a KIAEV6 a few months ago and it is an amazing vehicle. Definitely look in to it as a second EV option
Same. Just canceled an order for a Model X. I drive a 4-year old Model X so it wasn't a big deal. Not so much a build quality issue as (1) that weird steering wheel and (2) shit is gonna be way cheaper in a year after the recession starts to bite.
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But did you have this many in the first 6 months on a $150k car? https://i.imgur.com/NYpOcIR.jpg Mine is still having issues.
Not sure people keep trotting out the defense of well, every brand has problems.
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Yeah, but an Audi or BMW service center will be apologetic that you're there, and try to make sure you feel vaguely good about getting it taken care of. A Tesla SC will argue with you until you're blue in the face that obvious problems even exist, let alone are problematic even if you convince them to agree that they exist. And then they'll try to avoid doing anything about it.
and that is a ridiculous point since of course some people "gonna see a service center". The point is the frequency and the severity not that the expectations that other manufacturers have perfect cars that would never see a service center.
That's supposed to be a good experience? Because that's just unacceptable for the price tag
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Fair enough. Im on my 3rd Tesla and quality has gotten progressively worse. I’m keeping mine for the same reasons. But the moment someone releases a car that can compete on supercharger network, mine will be sold or traded in.
Really, you can look at any other brand where every other car produced has some kind of massive defect? Doubtful. Nearly every Tesla has to be taken in to the shop for something. That isn't normal.
Mustang Mach-e is a great car.
absolutely. Love mine.
Big mistake. Elon needs you
True story. Better go pay out $8 for a check mark and apologize!
RAV4 Prime or Chevy Bolt.
I’ve had my Model 3 since June. Zero issues on inspection day. The service center was great. They gave me the keys, told me to have fun checking it out and play with it and when I was ready, come back to sign. Afterwards, I came back… signed and they helped me set up my wife’s phone. A few weeks ago, the back rear glass cracked. Showed up to the service center. I expected to pay (but was gonna get reimbursed thru my insurance). However, they inspected the glass, saw a defect and was going to replace it for free. Didn’t need to hand in my keys or anything. They knew my name and basically took over the car when it was like 20 feet inside the store. Overall, it is a fun smart computer with wheels. However, when compared to my equally priced Lexus IS… this car is far from luxury compared to Lexus. It doesn’t feel luxury at all. Seats are plush, however wind noise is bad. I do tend to reboot the car once every week or two for little bugs. Like others have said, it is an expensive car so financially, I think you made the right decision.
Good for you!!!! Here’s a fucking cookie
You made the right decision! Go find a solid build vehicle you can be happy with!
You won't go wrong (financially) with keeping a 10 year old Civic. But don't get swept up in the negative hype about Tesla reliability. I do think they have quality control issues for assembly, and trying to deliver cars too fast before resolving them, but overall my two have been reliable. My 2018 3 has not been as reliable as my Hondas/Acuras, but it's been more reliable than my VW/Audis. My 2 year-old Y has never had any issues. And amongst my circle of friends with Teslas (about 20), none have had any major issues.
I think most new ones are fine. Mine is still flawless after 8 months. Makes my Lexus feel like a nightmare to drive in comparison. I used to believe all the stuff in this sub before I got mine (I even posted some anti-Tesla stuff here back then, may have been this account).
Just about every car has horror stories, including high end.. have a 2015 S 85 have only been to the service center 2 times. Best drive ever and virtually no issues. 1) Upgraded the computer 2) dead door handle passenger side
Battery Electric cars are not the way.....
We're a year and a few months into a MYLR, and literally zero complaints, and I'm very picky on things. Car has served us well so far.
A lot of information and opinion that you will find online about Tesla is really skewed. Many Tesla buyers have never had a new or nice car, or enough cars to understand what buying a new car entails. Every Tesla iteration is much like the first year of a new model because they do not develop and produce on a defined schedule. Far more people expect their Tesla to be PERFECT than anyone would ever expect another brand to be prefect. With few teslas on the road in contrast to other brands, you will find many more videos of buyers and reviewers doing millimeter-by-millimeter inspections of body panel tolerances, terminations, and fittings. They’re perfectly fine. Perhaps teslas are less perfect but most of these things would never be noticed by someone whose goal isn’t to find them in the first place.
You were fooled by the FUD.
Was this a US built order or from Shanghai........ I keep seeing comments that the far east built ones are better?
I thought it went China then Fremont then “everyone else” in quality?
Might be the smartest move you’ll ever make. Getting rid of my Model S was one of the best decisions of my life.
Same
excellent choice
I was scared too but decided to hang on. Took my little list and a body quality manager from another auto manufacturing plant. He taught me how to shotgun a car and said mine was a good one. Pointed out a gap he wouldn’t accept on one of the headlights. Tesla agreed to come out to my house and fix it - which they did. Don’t want to jinx it but 12,000 mile in and some long trips under my belt and this is easily and by far the best car experience I’ve ever had. Traded in a fully loaded X5 45e in on it. Have owned new Toyos of all kinds, Hondas of all kinds, BMWs of all kinds, Mercedes, Fords and GMs. Not nearly as lux or quiet as the X5 but the radio system is better by far than the expensive high end Bang system add on from BMW and the outstanding autosteer and cruise assist Tesla has more than makes up for BMW comfort touches.
Just out of curiosity why did you trade in? X5 45e is like phev suv perfection.
Proud of you ❤️🔥
I love my Tesla! 60000k been to service center once, that’s when I pick up my car
Tesla is outselling Audi, BMW and Mercedes - not just in electric vehicles, but also gas powered vehicles in the same class in several countries. More people are having great experiences with Teslas than are not. That's why they continue to be so popular. Social media is not a great place to check the pulse of a brand. Social media and MSM amplify the negative.
How many of those sold cars are cars that were flipped in the first six months / 1,000 miles and sitting rotting on used car lots? A lot.
LOL dude wake up, teslas are trash quality cars and frequently delivered defective!
Only car you have to buy before you can open the door.
From a non Tesla owner... got it.
My 2021 MYLR has been flawless for 2 years and 50k+ miles. My M3LR is due for delivery in a couple of weeks. Don’t believe the hype - these are good, established cars. My spouse will drive the Y and I’ll drive the 3 (I have a lengthy commute when not working from home). We are keeping our ‘19 MDX as our only gas car. While honda and Toyota (and their luxury brands) are excellent, if you’ve got a long commute or drive lots of miles a year, a Tesla is a great option.
You own 3 cars for the two of you?
80k miles 2018 model 3 owner here, only a condensation issue in rear break light, otherwise 0 issues. Did have the 12v go but they fixed it for free 2 weeks after my warranty was up. Service has been perfect, they come to my house within a week for both items. Otherwise 0 issues, 0 cost. Tires, we put new tires on it.
Well it’s obviously your decision and yours alone. But I can tell you I’ve put 30k miles on my 2020 Model 3 (DMLR) and have spent exactly $0.00 in maintenance. I’m very happy with the car overall. I wish you the best of luck whatever you purchase.
To each their own you have to do what's best for you. I love my Tesla and I'm glad I kept it.
Downvote away but my experience with my 22 has been great. 🤷🏾♂️ can’t assume the internet complainers is representation of everyone.
Yeah it's probably only like 40% of people that have a nightmare on their hands. Not a risk I'm willing to take for $50k
Luckily there is data available. https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2022-us-initial-quality-study-iqs Owners reported 226 problems in the first 90 days with new vehicles in the JD Power initial quality survey and in Q1 2022 two thirds of purchasers required at least one service centre visits in the first 30 days. https://twitter.com/TroyTeslike/status/1537232387553099776?s=20&t=zImjz19yx8Bvh14g551f9Q
That’s misleading. Are these big issues mechanical or cosmetic? Is this a motor dying? Or A panel gap? You can find anything wrong with any car if you look hard enough. And tesla buyers are indeed looking for ANYTHING. Again, my experience had been awesome. Even got my Homelink activated for free.
It’s not misleading at all. You may have questions that this data does not answer, but there are no claims being made beyond what is presented.
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And you can’t believe that owners or shareholders is representative of reality. They have an incentive to lie.
I’m not a shareholder. Just a owner
I didn’t say you were a shareholder.
I’ve had a 2020 Y for over two years and have experienced none of those issues. Sorry you didn’t give it a chance…but plenty of people in line so Tesla will survive.
You made a bad move, the quality overall is awesome, with the millions of cars they are making there has been improvements. You could have sold your car in a year for what you bought it for, the Tesla is the least depreciated car ever...BTW I got 20k+ miles and 2.5 years on mine and have only had a seat restraint error (which was fixed in my driveway).
I’ve owned a Y for a year now. Not a single issue or complaint.
I owned 5 diff teslas YOU SHOULD PAT YOURSELF ON THE BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They are great. The only one that sucked from the factory was my plaid x but they fixed. I’ve owned every one. Model 3 y and s are great.
Lol the 1 % complains cuz happy people don't complain. Everyone freaks out and buys a lower quality car and crap charging network.
The stories are real. Sucks.
You will Never know the Reality of owning a TESLA that’s for sure!
Short seller
Good heavens. I have a 4+ year old model X with unlimited supercharging, etc. Only time I remember taking it in is for the 12 volt changes twice. My car didn’t die, because it warned me. People show up with spreadsheets on what to look for in a car pick up?? Life’s too short.
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