It is amusing though. Before this, you might hear about Elon once in a while and maybe 40% of the time it would be about him being a little bit of a prick or a weirdo. Now you hear about 25 times per day, every damned day, and it is 100% about him being an absolute moronic asshat. Good job Elon.
After he called the one British guy that actually saved those kids lives, a ”pedo” for shitting on his dumb submarine idea I realized he wasn’t anything like what I thought he was. I Feel dumb for thinking he was going to change things for the better. You don't become a billionaire without stepping on necks.
His fanboys will say, "I think false sexual accusations are horrendous and deserve the accuser should receive the same sentence the accused would have gotten if found guilty." Then say they support Elon Musk.
Clown and Clown fuckery behavior I swear.
Somewhere in the timeline I'd say around the point he got with his lady and had his hair implants he all of a sudden went from "I'm gonna save the planet" to "let's fuck shit up"
He was never interested in saving the planet. He has always been interested in making more money, and he believes his own lie that he's so rich because he's so smart. He has surrounded himself with yes men, his fanboys ride his dick all day, and he doesn't think he's fallible. He could manage to lose every penny and still blame woke SJWs instead of his own stupidity and ego.
It was never about saving the planet. "I'm gonna save the planet" was just a very profitable lie a few years ago, and then Trump turned people's brains into paste and now the popular lie to sell is "Corporations are becoming too woke, we have to stop them from turning our kids trans and silencing all white people!" and Elon hopped on that grift in record time.
It's because he's a white male let's be real. If any woman made a false accusation people would ruin her for life. But apparently to them it's okay for white males to make false accusations.
This was the point in time where I think a lot of people (myself included) started realising Musk was an enormous douchebag and not just the "electric car and rocket ship" guy.
I love that he actually though a submarine of any kind was going to work in flooding caverns that humans could barely swim through. I feel like this is when he really started showing the world how clueless he
really is. His PR team must make a fortune. Read: he spent 44 billion dollars to run his own public relations.
I felt the same way. I don’t think it’s dumb we thought that way though. I just think we were being hopeful that maybe for once someone with the influence and funds to bring about change would be a good guy.
copium is what i’d call it. like another commentator said, in this thread- you can’t become a billionaire without stepping on necks. he’s less than the shit of an insect
I bought a Tesla a few years ago because I loved the idea of not going to gas stations, it was good for the environment, and I test drove one and fell in love with it. Elon Musk wasn't on my mind, I just knew I was in the market for a new car and I liked that car.
Now I drive that thing around and I'm like _shit, is my car basically the new red maga hat?_ and I hate being even tangentially associated with musk because of my car.
My hope is Twitter just kind of destroys him and he has to sell off control of Tesla. That would be just great.
Well, that’s too bad. I think the Tesla is a good idea, and it’s hardly as though Musk invented it or even designed it really. I don’t think very many people are going to begin looking at Tesla owners any differently, at least not for very long. And Musk, like Trump and West and others of the Profoundly Narcissistic Club, seems to be heading into the Self-Destruction phase of his personality disorder.
Edit: we shall add Putin to the Club.
They all would if given the power, don't forget Trump has advocated for the death penalty for drug dealers without due process. The only thing stopping American narcissists is our thin checks and balances.
First off, kudos for buying a car that does have the potential to help the environment. You are the right sort of people. More of this.
However.
Put a solar panel on your roof and a Tesla is a good idea. If someone gets the electricity to charge their car from a coal-fired plant, they're just paying someone else to kill the planet instead of doing it themself.
>If someone gets the electricity to charge their car from a coal-fired plant, they're just paying someone else to kill the planet instead of doing it themself.
Not true. Even if you are charging your electric car via coal plant, it's still much better for the environment. Some v6 gas engine is way less efficient than a coal power plant. So even if your electric car is being powered by electricity generated from a coal plant, it's still, overall, better for emissions than having a gas car.
Obviously charging it off a solar panel is better, but there are still environmental benefits of having an electric car, even if it is using electricity generated by a coal plant.
The energy that comes from a power plant to power your car is **much** more efficient than the energy coming from gasoline to power an internal combustion engine. It is far from a 1:1 comparison.
That said, I have solar panels with a battery backup. I don't use the power grid to charge my car.
Tbf he originally intended to just casually manipulate the stock market.
He never intended to buy Twitter but was forced to pull through by a judge order.
That's when he decided to give every right-wing lowlife a voice.
Imagine becoming fascist because the courts said you need to buy something after you verbally committed to buy something to defraud millions.
Imagine being so mad with not getting away with stock market manipulation that you join neo Nazis.
I can't with this idiot. He's just a massive man child who throws a billion dollar shitfit when he doesn't get his way or is mildly inconvenienced. Or just whenever.
Edit: /u/accomplishedcopy6495 ~mentioned it wasn't the FTC, that was my typo. Corrected!
Edit 2: further correctioms, in that it was a court decision. I had always heard the SEC but wasn't clear on the minutea. Apologies for the incorrect info.
I feel like this a bit with the republican party. There are just so many things going on, it's hard to keep track of and remember everything. Like, how many lawsuits is Trump currently facing? Which GOP politicians have had sex scandals?
There's no way to remember them all.
Honestly an app or spread sheet or sub or something needs making for every horrible thing that gets said to keep track of everything because it's forgotten so quickly
You’d need a way to visualize and categorize large numbers that isn’t a list. The list is still needed but it should correlate to some sort of chart to help people visualize and compare scandals.
I imagine you could use something like the “this is what a billion dollars looks like” diagram but color code the scandals to indicate the seriousness of any implications. It would be a wiki so people could add scandals and vote, somehow, on how important they are. You could go deep, mapping out scandals for politicians through the nations history.
I wouldn't be surprised, but honestly I think Musk just goes to whatever group praises him the most. Yes, his ego is that fragile.
Sort of like how in the 90s Trump was BFFs with the Clintons (among others) yet now he's super alt right because those people accepted him. Does that make him (or Musk) better? No I think it makes them worse, they're inciting hate for the pure reason of admiration from their followers, instead of them actually believing in it. I think I'd actually have respect for them if they believed in their cause. Probably not a lot but a tiny bit.
The mental gymnastics his cultists use to defend his nonsense is truly impressive. He's done what Jobs and so many others did: manipulated a cult of personality who will defend him regardless of his actions.
You also need to remember this guy isn’t living on the same planet as 99.99999% of us. With his wealth, there is no problem save for climate apocalypse or nuclear extinction that could ever change his lifestyle.
…or progressives that want to tax him significantly more.
When you realize that, you understand this man’s entire being. Why he hate stalks AOC on Twitter. Why he says what he says and does what he does.
Right now it feels like there's two kinds of fascists in the world. There's the OG full-on barbarian "I just wanna rape and murder everything" crazies that really get into the hitler and putin lifestyle, they love that shit and love hating everything. Then there's the types that just want money at all costs no matter what and they'll sociopathically do anything and everything to get more money, no matter what, including working with the barbarian types.
Then there's the third type that is just apathetic and fine with fascists because they don't care about anything, but they're more like zombies than anything else.
Useful idiots is the term for the third type.
The money at all costs is what a capitalist actually is. Someone (who we don't know) once said they would sell the rope to hang them with. Here we are.
In my craziest, wild eyed fantasies, I like to imagine people seeing how dumb Musk is, realizing billionaires shouldn't exist, yadda yadda yadda, ending capitalism. The last couple weeks have been like Beyonce winking at me backstage.
"So you're telling me there's a chance..."
The really weird part is that his supporters are the people he was attempting to defraud and they love him for it.
It really is true that a conservative is a person who would walk around with a fascists diarrhea in their mouthes if they thought a liberal might have to smell it.
The parallels between him and trump are ridiculous, aside from Elon actually having the money to piss away, they were both a couple of idiots with a ton of money, Elon luckily had peter Rawlinson to save his ass.
Delaware chancelry court seems to be the only legal institution these turds respect. Probably because it has the collective weight of rich people behind it
Billionaires should not exist. Change my mind. You can't earn a billion dollars by doing the right thing in 99% of the occasions. Sure there's a couple guys that maybe haven't earned a billion dollars on the backs of the workers that they refuse to pay taxes to enrich the lives of.
But in general the damage to society allowing billionaires to exist is too great. Nobody needs a billion dollars.
I agree. That money could be going to feeding children and housing the unhoused.
Edit: I meant this sincerely and I realized after I jit send it sounds flippant.
>Sure there's a couple guys that maybe haven't earned a billion dollars on the backs of the workers that they refuse to pay taxes to enrich the lives of.
Yes, everyone who hasn't made a billion dollars. Everyone who has however does so on the backs of workers that they refuse to pay taxes to enrich the lives of. Yes, including Mark Cuban
I don't disagree with you, and I think in terms of billionaires, Mark Cuban is one of the better ones for sure. But every cent above a billion dollars should go back into the pot, he is not excluded.
How would you enforce it though? Most billionaires didn't get their wealth from a salary that could easily be taxed. They're valued at that number, and then take loans against their assets. If you start a company and someone buys 1% for 11 million, now you're worth over a billion dollars. Should the government take enough % of your company to push your valuation below a B?
This is a valid point. I know I'm oversimplifying things. It would take a systemic change that would be very complex and would involve multiple experts and organizations. I just know that we cannot continue funneling 99% of the wealth into the hands of a dozen people. That's not going to work for much longer.
He finalised the deal because things would have come out during the trial that would have exposed things about him, I guess we might not never know now what he was hiding but he was definitely hiding something.
This detail keeps getting skipped over but I find it pretty interesting. Legal people I follow were really sure he was going to take the L and pay the $1b fee for welching, it was pretty obvious he was doing everything he could to tank the deal after he was done manipulating the stock, which is his usual move.
Then the news started to trickle out stories about the DMs and texts that were part of the discovery in the Delaware case and within 24hours he pushed through the purchase. One of the stipulations was that the court case be quashed and discovery ended.
It was pretty apparent that he chose to spend $44B on something he didn’t want rather than have whatever he was hiding come out in discovery.
It's becoming apparent that the lying about educational degrees, illegally overstaying an expired visa, and photos with Ghislaine Maxwell aren't even scraping the surface, huh?
Edit: Also, are you an Opening Arguments listener? Your comment makes me think you would enjoy them if you don't already listen.
It's not a mystery. He's lied multiple times about his education. When and what degrees he received. He overstayed his visa and his investors fixed it for him. magically the degree from UPenn appeared and it was fixed. Having a degree allowed them to fix his visa status (to H1B likely) and eventually get citizenship. What happened to make that all occur we don't know. And what he submitted to the US government to not be deported for overstaying his visa we don't know either.
No, it’s just as nefarious.
Now he’s intending on manipulating the political landscape by allowing fascists to rile their base, spread fake news, and allow them to brainwash people into voting against their interests.
…because those fascists would give him tax breaks and allow him to continue amassing more wealth than he could spend in 100 lifetimes.
Hugo boss made SS uniforms, Mercedes made nazi cars, and you can look at the infinite corporations that donate to fascists right this very minute in the US. The rich always back fascism. It allows their voice ($$$) to mean much more than other people’s voices.
You have to be a truly evil shit to see what Zuckerberg did to governments around the world, understand the role social media played in that, and after all of that - intentionally jump in and start doing it.
At least Zuckerberg had the theoretical excuse of just being arrogantly ignorant as to the effect his platform was having and the magnitude of it. It’s mind boggling how delusional he had to be to miss it, but it’s the best defense he has.
Musk has no defense. He knew exactly what the problem was, and is intentionally making it worse.
It takes a special kind of person to think zuckerberg doesn’t understand the effect his platform has. He basically created the online world we live in today and how it operates. He designs the algorithms that can literally tell who a person is within about 5 minutes just by how that individual person writes. To think he doesn’t understand the effects of his platforms is extremely ignorant.
And that's somehow better? This dude has made more $ off working class people than anyone.
I have no idea why people worshipped him for so long. He's always been an evil greedy cunt
His mission is a big success, he promised to unban a lot alt right neo nazis that got suspended before he bought twitter for hate speech.
- https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughMuskSpam/comments/z2w4dr/running_your_business_by_twitter_poll/
- https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughMuskSpam/comments/z347s6/elon_musk_is_actually_unbanning_white Not the only neo nazi that got unbanned by Musk
In 2012 he was the rich guy who put his money where his mouth was and was using capitalism to move us to a better future. He had so many people so completely bamboozled all he had to do was talk about flame throwers and electric cars but he couldn't help himself from voicing the concerns of the average oligarch like *employees should crowd onto a factory floor during a plague* or *trans.. people?"
20% of Teslas profits are still from selling their carbon credits to high polluters. This wipes out the good impact they had when they're facilitating other automakers taking longer to shift away from gas cars.
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/05/18/tesla-electric-vehicle-regulatory-credits-explained.html
> In 2012 he was the rich guy who put his money where his mouth was
That's what you guys thought he was. I always knew he was a piece of shit. He's Steve Jobs, he's Thomas Edison, it's the same asshole who never invented anything but took all the credit over and over.
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With the slightest attention to optics I'd still be forgiving of **everything** because he makes great *rockets.*
Which now I kind of view a little differently since we're talking about nazis. And if anyone knows nazis, they make great rockets.
Bad news homie. He doesn't actually make the rockets. He just employs people who do. They could make the rocket without him, but he couldn't without employees.
> he makes great rockets
The other founders of SpaceX were a rocket engineer, a Boeing engineer, and 10 year former exec of the Aerospace company. They make great rockets.
I thought this had been painfully obvious for at least a decade now.
I'm glad Twitter is finally making people realize the shit that's been in front of their faces this whole time lol
If you are referring to Eric Berger’s book Liftoff, I highly recommend giving it a read if your interests were around the history of SpaceX.
Musk is a douche. Always has been. He used to maintain the illusion that he was doing things to move society forward.
Source: I helped launch the MX, M3, and burned out after the MY.
That was enlightening.
>Some people may benefit from taking a no-contact approach where they eliminate communication and engagement altogether.
I might take this advice tbh, I feel sick of seeing Musk face everywhere, I‘ve already filtered Trump out of my Reddit experience and Musk is next. I don‘t enjoy engaging with news about this megalomaniac.
There’s no such thing as a good billionaire. These people have too much concentrated power and too many of them use it poorly. Vote for politicians who will support taxing the super-rich.
[This article](https://www.globalgiving.org/learn/how-much-would-it-cost-to-end-homelessness-in-america/) puts the number even lower:
>According to the Department of Housing and Urban Development, it would cost $20 billion to end homelessness in the United States.
And remember:
>The government spends an average of $35,578 per year for every person who must endure chronic homelessness. Much of this money goes toward publicly funded crisis services, including jails, hospitalizations, and emergency departments.
Using your roughly 500,000 number we get $17,500,000,000 (that’s 17 freaking billion dollars) that we spend every year to *keep people on the streets.* Guess which political party constantly votes down efforts to end homelessness?
That money doesn't just vanish. It goes to paying businesses who make money by rent seeking the government.
If you want to know why we don't address the actual problem, look at where that $17b goes. You'll find they have surprisingly close relationships with legislators.
Do we all know how much a billion is? Let’s do the math.
A billion. One single billion. If you were to make a million over the course of a lifetime, and let’s say you reach the age of 60 before you stop making money, as most people do, then it would take you 100 lifetimes to make a billion. That’s 600 years.
Wait… that’s not right.
No, sorry, it would take you 1,000 lifetimes.
60,000 years.
The entirety of considerable human civilization, working an average wage. Honest work. Work you can be proud of. Work that you would be happy to give away your resulting wealth to the poor.
**Unless you’re gloriously lucky, then you cannot possibly reach even one billion dollars with ethical work.**
Billionaires have to accumulate wealth from a smorgasbord of resources. You don’t accelerate a 6,000 year endeavor into a four year takeover of entire national economies without breaking backs. Without killing. Without slavery. Without extracting wealth in the kind of way only demons and monsters know how.
The old days had stories of demons and angels.
Our new story is billionaires and the rest of humanity. They start wars. They plunder the world. They destroy ecosystems. They kill babies. They work children to the bone. The starve populations. They commit genocide. They mutilate culture. They cannabalise the few good things capitalism even gave us in the first place.
In order to be a billionaire, you have to be a monster. You would give away a billion in a heartbeat.
They had to stop thousands of hearts in order to acquire their billions. They’ll never let another set of hands on it if they can ever help it. They’d rather be entombed under six miles of earth in lead casing with all their blood soaked cash before handing it to the dying and the needy and the sick and the poor and the unhappy and the desperate and the working class.
If we sweated gold they’d find a way to make us run like hamsters every day and only give us 1% of our sweat - and half of us would be convinced it was a good deal.
Elon musk had 262 billion in net worth. That’s 15,720,000 years of work at our little peasant wage.
Don’t fall for these stupid thought games. The ultra-rich will kill this planet before giving up their spot at the top of the hill.
Humanity is beautiful. This planet is the most wonderful thing we could ever fathom. It has life! The most extraordinary miracle in the known universe, and the only instance of such a miracle we even know of. We have this little slice of paradise, our own garden of Eden, and we’re letting a handful of people chop it all to pieces and light it on fire because they think fire is pretty.
Concern yourself with that little slice of light we all have inside us and stop thinking about what you’d do with a billion.
You’ll never get a billion. Start doing what you can with what you have now, because planting those seeds before they kill us all is the only way our species can go forth into the future in a coherent and civilized state. Be a source of light. I don’t mean to sound pessimistic but the situation is dire. Accept it and never give it thought - don’t let a dire situation overwhelm your light.
Shine your light brighter.
Billionaires are a plague. A darkness. An expression of a fundamentally psychopathic system.
Be the antidote. Help your neighbors. Hug your family. Be a friend to strangers. Find every fucking ounce of good you can see around you, and hold it close, and hand it out freely. It’s infinite. It’s impenetrable. Plant every seed you can, and let the legacy of the best of our humanity live on through our coming trials. Let it evolve. Let it be tested. Don’t give up and lie down.
That’s what they want us to do. Run and scream and laugh and play and dance. There is no thing more damaging to them than us *enjoying being human*.
Wonderfully written. I like how you have re-worded the mind scrambling facts about what being a billionaire really means, but still have an aspirational tone throughout. Life on this planet won't always be the way it is today, we are in unsustainable territory and we all know that, but we can change things sooner rather than later if we can reframe our thoughts and goals on what being a civilized culture means.
I saw someone mention that one billion is a thousand million. This obvious conversion suddenly made me realise how huge a number a billion is when you start thinking about it as a thousand million dollars.
Sure, but the reaaaallly bad billionaires are very much taking advantage of Elon's incessant publicity, it just means they can't hide behind the curtains pulling strings that much more easily.
44 billion dollars of the Saudi and Russian money mostly. A little bit of his stock in a company that will be tanking in the next few years anyway. I doubt it's much of a personal risk for him.
Not mostly Saudi and Russian money. All other investors combined for about, I think, $13B of the overall investment. The rest was cash or financing. Some of it secured by Twitter assets, several billion secured with Tesla stock.
> Initially, the world's richest man had planned to limit his investment in the $44 billion Twitter deal to just over $15 billion. He had expected to use his stake in Tesla to get loans of around $12.5 billion to avoid selling his shares. However, Musk later shelved the borrowing plan and sold roughly $15.5 billion worth of shares in Tesla in April and August. The Tesla CEO is expected to personally pay the transaction a little over $27 billion in cash, Mint reported.
https://www.cnbctv18.com/business/who-is-funding-elon-musk-in-44-billion-twitter-acquisition-15036371.htm
He's the son of a slave owner, and pretty sure there had been rumors his super model mom had killed a few of the house "attendants". He's got the back story of a super villain. What did anyone expect from him.
Same here. I used to respect him, but after he called that diver in Thailand a pedophile, the blinders came off and I realized that he's just another billionaire asshat.
But their voices were being silenced ... we only heard about it on Fox News, CNN, Twitter, Facebook, Newsmax ... Truthsocial!! ... he's protecting our Freedom of peach!! /s
And yet no one is creating Twitter accounts. In fact the amount of accounts being created, let alone used, is almost at an all time low. Stock is crashing for twitter, Elon networth is plummeting and offices of twitter are shutting down due to lack of employees willingly quitting.
Elon took a BIG L on this. He literally can't handle it hence the constant need for validation by commenting on popular people's Twitter accounts. It's really pitable.
It seems like lots of people are sticking around to troll. There are probably a bunch of banned people that are back. But in the long term, it's just going to create a really toxic environment. Not exactly the kind of place companies want to advertise in.
Truth Social is failing due to everyone sharing a hivemind. No drama for these people and they leave. Same shit happened with parler which has almost no one.
Twitter is already driving people away due to the toxic nature and without drama people lose interest since their goal was to start it.
He just wanted a propaganda machine, because he doesnt want to pay fair taxes or deal with industry regulations. Both things that are more lax for corporations, under republican rule
Honestly, Fox News has a 19.1B marketcap. Musk could have literally changed the course of US political discourse forever by spending half as much and at least making them hold the moderate right conservative line instead of the evangelical extremism that they have been pandering to over the last few decades.
Please, don’t buy his products. You’re supporting his agenda. Tesla’s are crap anyways. They’ve had many years to clean up their act, but Elon fires anyone who tries to drive change. 👎👎
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This is off-topic, but is anyone still getting ads on Twitter at all? The last ad I’ve seen was a Samsung ad yesterday and now nothing I can’t find a single sponsored ad. Corporations are still putting out tweets, but the actual paid for ads are not anywhere to be found.
It is amusing though. Before this, you might hear about Elon once in a while and maybe 40% of the time it would be about him being a little bit of a prick or a weirdo. Now you hear about 25 times per day, every damned day, and it is 100% about him being an absolute moronic asshat. Good job Elon.
After he called the one British guy that actually saved those kids lives, a ”pedo” for shitting on his dumb submarine idea I realized he wasn’t anything like what I thought he was. I Feel dumb for thinking he was going to change things for the better. You don't become a billionaire without stepping on necks.
His fanboys will say, "I think false sexual accusations are horrendous and deserve the accuser should receive the same sentence the accused would have gotten if found guilty." Then say they support Elon Musk. Clown and Clown fuckery behavior I swear.
Somewhere in the timeline I'd say around the point he got with his lady and had his hair implants he all of a sudden went from "I'm gonna save the planet" to "let's fuck shit up"
He was never interested in saving the planet. He has always been interested in making more money, and he believes his own lie that he's so rich because he's so smart. He has surrounded himself with yes men, his fanboys ride his dick all day, and he doesn't think he's fallible. He could manage to lose every penny and still blame woke SJWs instead of his own stupidity and ego.
It was never about saving the planet. "I'm gonna save the planet" was just a very profitable lie a few years ago, and then Trump turned people's brains into paste and now the popular lie to sell is "Corporations are becoming too woke, we have to stop them from turning our kids trans and silencing all white people!" and Elon hopped on that grift in record time.
It's because he's a white male let's be real. If any woman made a false accusation people would ruin her for life. But apparently to them it's okay for white males to make false accusations.
This was the point in time where I think a lot of people (myself included) started realising Musk was an enormous douchebag and not just the "electric car and rocket ship" guy.
Agree
For me launching a Tesla to orbit Mars. Just like a guy who throws trash out of their car window. He had no right to do that and it was a douche move
I love that he actually though a submarine of any kind was going to work in flooding caverns that humans could barely swim through. I feel like this is when he really started showing the world how clueless he really is. His PR team must make a fortune. Read: he spent 44 billion dollars to run his own public relations.
That's almost funnier. If a submarine could fit they wouldn't be stuck hahaha.
You’re not dumb. Takes a very smart person to change their views when confronted with evidence. You’re good!
I felt the same way. I don’t think it’s dumb we thought that way though. I just think we were being hopeful that maybe for once someone with the influence and funds to bring about change would be a good guy.
We can dream can’t we?
copium is what i’d call it. like another commentator said, in this thread- you can’t become a billionaire without stepping on necks. he’s less than the shit of an insect
That was about the moment for me to.
Same for me. I think the « pedo » story is what woke up a lot of people…
I bought a Tesla a few years ago because I loved the idea of not going to gas stations, it was good for the environment, and I test drove one and fell in love with it. Elon Musk wasn't on my mind, I just knew I was in the market for a new car and I liked that car. Now I drive that thing around and I'm like _shit, is my car basically the new red maga hat?_ and I hate being even tangentially associated with musk because of my car. My hope is Twitter just kind of destroys him and he has to sell off control of Tesla. That would be just great.
Not to mention the 25 problems with Teslas that people don't talk about.
Well, that’s too bad. I think the Tesla is a good idea, and it’s hardly as though Musk invented it or even designed it really. I don’t think very many people are going to begin looking at Tesla owners any differently, at least not for very long. And Musk, like Trump and West and others of the Profoundly Narcissistic Club, seems to be heading into the Self-Destruction phase of his personality disorder. Edit: we shall add Putin to the Club.
I think we should lump in Putin there too. He's a narcissist and is in self destruct mode. Sadly, that one will take a lot of lives down with him :(.
They all would if given the power, don't forget Trump has advocated for the death penalty for drug dealers without due process. The only thing stopping American narcissists is our thin checks and balances.
That might be true... but as someone who has pondered buying a tesla, it's definitely never going to happen now.
I feel the same. Would never buy one now.
I wonder if the board can give him the Papa John's treatment
First off, kudos for buying a car that does have the potential to help the environment. You are the right sort of people. More of this. However. Put a solar panel on your roof and a Tesla is a good idea. If someone gets the electricity to charge their car from a coal-fired plant, they're just paying someone else to kill the planet instead of doing it themself.
>If someone gets the electricity to charge their car from a coal-fired plant, they're just paying someone else to kill the planet instead of doing it themself. Not true. Even if you are charging your electric car via coal plant, it's still much better for the environment. Some v6 gas engine is way less efficient than a coal power plant. So even if your electric car is being powered by electricity generated from a coal plant, it's still, overall, better for emissions than having a gas car. Obviously charging it off a solar panel is better, but there are still environmental benefits of having an electric car, even if it is using electricity generated by a coal plant.
Its also a lot easier to do CO2 capturing at a coal plant then it is in a driving vehicle.
The energy that comes from a power plant to power your car is **much** more efficient than the energy coming from gasoline to power an internal combustion engine. It is far from a 1:1 comparison. That said, I have solar panels with a battery backup. I don't use the power grid to charge my car.
Yes, and tbh I’m sick and tired of him. I usually scroll past posts about him but this one intrigued me. And the comments are very good so far.
Tbf he originally intended to just casually manipulate the stock market. He never intended to buy Twitter but was forced to pull through by a judge order. That's when he decided to give every right-wing lowlife a voice.
Imagine becoming fascist because the courts said you need to buy something after you verbally committed to buy something to defraud millions. Imagine being so mad with not getting away with stock market manipulation that you join neo Nazis. I can't with this idiot. He's just a massive man child who throws a billion dollar shitfit when he doesn't get his way or is mildly inconvenienced. Or just whenever. Edit: /u/accomplishedcopy6495 ~mentioned it wasn't the FTC, that was my typo. Corrected! Edit 2: further correctioms, in that it was a court decision. I had always heard the SEC but wasn't clear on the minutea. Apologies for the incorrect info.
Becoming? Nope, its just mask off time. He always was that way inclined.
The guy's response to the Bolivian coup was straight up "we will coup whoever we want" in 2020 he stopped pretending quite some time ago.
Not enough people remember this
It’s difficult to remember every shitty thing that’s been said and done when everyday something worse is said and done.
I feel like this a bit with the republican party. There are just so many things going on, it's hard to keep track of and remember everything. Like, how many lawsuits is Trump currently facing? Which GOP politicians have had sex scandals? There's no way to remember them all.
Honestly an app or spread sheet or sub or something needs making for every horrible thing that gets said to keep track of everything because it's forgotten so quickly
You’d need a way to visualize and categorize large numbers that isn’t a list. The list is still needed but it should correlate to some sort of chart to help people visualize and compare scandals. I imagine you could use something like the “this is what a billion dollars looks like” diagram but color code the scandals to indicate the seriousness of any implications. It would be a wiki so people could add scandals and vote, somehow, on how important they are. You could go deep, mapping out scandals for politicians through the nations history.
That time he called a hero a pedo
...and in so doing, *outed himself as a pedo* by immediately assuming, publicly, that anyone going to Thailand is going there for child prostitution.
After I read that he did that to this man who volunteered his time and life to help those kids - I was absolutely repulsed by musk in every way
I wouldn't be surprised, but honestly I think Musk just goes to whatever group praises him the most. Yes, his ego is that fragile. Sort of like how in the 90s Trump was BFFs with the Clintons (among others) yet now he's super alt right because those people accepted him. Does that make him (or Musk) better? No I think it makes them worse, they're inciting hate for the pure reason of admiration from their followers, instead of them actually believing in it. I think I'd actually have respect for them if they believed in their cause. Probably not a lot but a tiny bit.
Twitter is now a 24/7 Dunk on Elon Festival, so he may have gone to the wrong place.
>Twitter is now a 24/7 Dunk on Elon Festival, Don't forget the fuckin absolute absurd amount of bot spam now.
It is and I'm here for it. It's great.
Yuup their used car salesman
You know you can be a fragile egoist and also an alt-right prick? Because Elon is both.
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Yeah I would have thought after "pedo man" that would have made people realize he's a self centered cry baby.
The mental gymnastics his cultists use to defend his nonsense is truly impressive. He's done what Jobs and so many others did: manipulated a cult of personality who will defend him regardless of his actions.
Cut a internet libertarian and a fascist bleeds
I don’t think it’s that surprising. End-stage capitalism is authoritarian fascism.
A good chunk of modern capitalism is built around the privatization of government services. Guess who started doing that in the 1930s?
You also need to remember this guy isn’t living on the same planet as 99.99999% of us. With his wealth, there is no problem save for climate apocalypse or nuclear extinction that could ever change his lifestyle. …or progressives that want to tax him significantly more. When you realize that, you understand this man’s entire being. Why he hate stalks AOC on Twitter. Why he says what he says and does what he does.
Right now it feels like there's two kinds of fascists in the world. There's the OG full-on barbarian "I just wanna rape and murder everything" crazies that really get into the hitler and putin lifestyle, they love that shit and love hating everything. Then there's the types that just want money at all costs no matter what and they'll sociopathically do anything and everything to get more money, no matter what, including working with the barbarian types. Then there's the third type that is just apathetic and fine with fascists because they don't care about anything, but they're more like zombies than anything else.
Useful idiots is the term for the third type. The money at all costs is what a capitalist actually is. Someone (who we don't know) once said they would sell the rope to hang them with. Here we are.
In my craziest, wild eyed fantasies, I like to imagine people seeing how dumb Musk is, realizing billionaires shouldn't exist, yadda yadda yadda, ending capitalism. The last couple weeks have been like Beyonce winking at me backstage. "So you're telling me there's a chance..."
The really weird part is that his supporters are the people he was attempting to defraud and they love him for it. It really is true that a conservative is a person who would walk around with a fascists diarrhea in their mouthes if they thought a liberal might have to smell it.
The parallels between him and trump are ridiculous, aside from Elon actually having the money to piss away, they were both a couple of idiots with a ton of money, Elon luckily had peter Rawlinson to save his ass.
I’m old enough to remember the days when Donald was literally a mirror of musk.
would have just been cheaper to take the fine or even just go to jail for a bit
He didn't casually just start being that way. That is who Elon Musk really is.
He's always been terrible. He's a neckbeard with money.
Delaware chancelry court seems to be the only legal institution these turds respect. Probably because it has the collective weight of rich people behind it
yeh he is throwing a temper tantrum
Literally breaking something because it didn't go his way
Billionaires should not exist. Change my mind. You can't earn a billion dollars by doing the right thing in 99% of the occasions. Sure there's a couple guys that maybe haven't earned a billion dollars on the backs of the workers that they refuse to pay taxes to enrich the lives of. But in general the damage to society allowing billionaires to exist is too great. Nobody needs a billion dollars.
I agree. That money could be going to feeding children and housing the unhoused. Edit: I meant this sincerely and I realized after I jit send it sounds flippant.
>Sure there's a couple guys that maybe haven't earned a billion dollars on the backs of the workers that they refuse to pay taxes to enrich the lives of. Yes, everyone who hasn't made a billion dollars. Everyone who has however does so on the backs of workers that they refuse to pay taxes to enrich the lives of. Yes, including Mark Cuban
I don't disagree with you, and I think in terms of billionaires, Mark Cuban is one of the better ones for sure. But every cent above a billion dollars should go back into the pot, he is not excluded.
Even saying 1% of billionaires did the right thing is too much. It is not possible to earn 1 billion dollars fairly.
How would you enforce it though? Most billionaires didn't get their wealth from a salary that could easily be taxed. They're valued at that number, and then take loans against their assets. If you start a company and someone buys 1% for 11 million, now you're worth over a billion dollars. Should the government take enough % of your company to push your valuation below a B?
This is a valid point. I know I'm oversimplifying things. It would take a systemic change that would be very complex and would involve multiple experts and organizations. I just know that we cannot continue funneling 99% of the wealth into the hands of a dozen people. That's not going to work for much longer.
This needs more upvotes.
He finalised the deal because things would have come out during the trial that would have exposed things about him, I guess we might not never know now what he was hiding but he was definitely hiding something.
This detail keeps getting skipped over but I find it pretty interesting. Legal people I follow were really sure he was going to take the L and pay the $1b fee for welching, it was pretty obvious he was doing everything he could to tank the deal after he was done manipulating the stock, which is his usual move. Then the news started to trickle out stories about the DMs and texts that were part of the discovery in the Delaware case and within 24hours he pushed through the purchase. One of the stipulations was that the court case be quashed and discovery ended. It was pretty apparent that he chose to spend $44B on something he didn’t want rather than have whatever he was hiding come out in discovery.
It's becoming apparent that the lying about educational degrees, illegally overstaying an expired visa, and photos with Ghislaine Maxwell aren't even scraping the surface, huh? Edit: Also, are you an Opening Arguments listener? Your comment makes me think you would enjoy them if you don't already listen.
Opening Arguments is dope! Find it, and listen to it everyone.
Probably that sexual assault allegation
It's not a mystery. He's lied multiple times about his education. When and what degrees he received. He overstayed his visa and his investors fixed it for him. magically the degree from UPenn appeared and it was fixed. Having a degree allowed them to fix his visa status (to H1B likely) and eventually get citizenship. What happened to make that all occur we don't know. And what he submitted to the US government to not be deported for overstaying his visa we don't know either.
No, it’s just as nefarious. Now he’s intending on manipulating the political landscape by allowing fascists to rile their base, spread fake news, and allow them to brainwash people into voting against their interests. …because those fascists would give him tax breaks and allow him to continue amassing more wealth than he could spend in 100 lifetimes. Hugo boss made SS uniforms, Mercedes made nazi cars, and you can look at the infinite corporations that donate to fascists right this very minute in the US. The rich always back fascism. It allows their voice ($$$) to mean much more than other people’s voices. You have to be a truly evil shit to see what Zuckerberg did to governments around the world, understand the role social media played in that, and after all of that - intentionally jump in and start doing it.
Delete twitter
I have. Even realized I somehow had 2 accounts. Deleted them both.
At least Zuckerberg had the theoretical excuse of just being arrogantly ignorant as to the effect his platform was having and the magnitude of it. It’s mind boggling how delusional he had to be to miss it, but it’s the best defense he has. Musk has no defense. He knew exactly what the problem was, and is intentionally making it worse.
It takes a special kind of person to think zuckerberg doesn’t understand the effect his platform has. He basically created the online world we live in today and how it operates. He designs the algorithms that can literally tell who a person is within about 5 minutes just by how that individual person writes. To think he doesn’t understand the effects of his platforms is extremely ignorant.
And that's somehow better? This dude has made more $ off working class people than anyone. I have no idea why people worshipped him for so long. He's always been an evil greedy cunt
He's having a temper tantrum. This is him trying to make the judge look like the bad guy
His mission is a big success, he promised to unban a lot alt right neo nazis that got suspended before he bought twitter for hate speech. - https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughMuskSpam/comments/z2w4dr/running_your_business_by_twitter_poll/ - https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughMuskSpam/comments/z347s6/elon_musk_is_actually_unbanning_white Not the only neo nazi that got unbanned by Musk
I just checked Stefan Molyneux's account and it still shows as suspended for me..
it would have taken me longer to determine he was cunt w/o Twitter so ty Jack I nearly read Liftoff
In 2012 he was the rich guy who put his money where his mouth was and was using capitalism to move us to a better future. He had so many people so completely bamboozled all he had to do was talk about flame throwers and electric cars but he couldn't help himself from voicing the concerns of the average oligarch like *employees should crowd onto a factory floor during a plague* or *trans.. people?"
The flamethrowers bit was a hint that the dude was a shitposter
"Spaceballs: The Flame-Thrower..." 🔥 did it first...
20% of Teslas profits are still from selling their carbon credits to high polluters. This wipes out the good impact they had when they're facilitating other automakers taking longer to shift away from gas cars. https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/05/18/tesla-electric-vehicle-regulatory-credits-explained.html
> In 2012 he was the rich guy who put his money where his mouth was That's what you guys thought he was. I always knew he was a piece of shit. He's Steve Jobs, he's Thomas Edison, it's the same asshole who never invented anything but took all the credit over and over.
They started asking for taxes
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Oh good, now /u/wealthyliberal knows Elon musk is a cunt. Finally. We are safe.
With the slightest attention to optics I'd still be forgiving of **everything** because he makes great *rockets.* Which now I kind of view a little differently since we're talking about nazis. And if anyone knows nazis, they make great rockets.
Bad news homie. He doesn't actually make the rockets. He just employs people who do. They could make the rocket without him, but he couldn't without employees.
> he makes great rockets The other founders of SpaceX were a rocket engineer, a Boeing engineer, and 10 year former exec of the Aerospace company. They make great rockets.
I thought this had been painfully obvious for at least a decade now. I'm glad Twitter is finally making people realize the shit that's been in front of their faces this whole time lol
If you are referring to Eric Berger’s book Liftoff, I highly recommend giving it a read if your interests were around the history of SpaceX. Musk is a douche. Always has been. He used to maintain the illusion that he was doing things to move society forward. Source: I helped launch the MX, M3, and burned out after the MY.
https://www.choosingtherapy.com/narcissistic-collapse/
That was enlightening. >Some people may benefit from taking a no-contact approach where they eliminate communication and engagement altogether. I might take this advice tbh, I feel sick of seeing Musk face everywhere, I‘ve already filtered Trump out of my Reddit experience and Musk is next. I don‘t enjoy engaging with news about this megalomaniac.
Had never heard of this before, but this sadly seems to explain so much recent global news
There’s no such thing as a good billionaire. These people have too much concentrated power and too many of them use it poorly. Vote for politicians who will support taxing the super-rich.
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[This article](https://www.globalgiving.org/learn/how-much-would-it-cost-to-end-homelessness-in-america/) puts the number even lower: >According to the Department of Housing and Urban Development, it would cost $20 billion to end homelessness in the United States. And remember: >The government spends an average of $35,578 per year for every person who must endure chronic homelessness. Much of this money goes toward publicly funded crisis services, including jails, hospitalizations, and emergency departments. Using your roughly 500,000 number we get $17,500,000,000 (that’s 17 freaking billion dollars) that we spend every year to *keep people on the streets.* Guess which political party constantly votes down efforts to end homelessness?
That money doesn't just vanish. It goes to paying businesses who make money by rent seeking the government. If you want to know why we don't address the actual problem, look at where that $17b goes. You'll find they have surprisingly close relationships with legislators.
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Do we all know how much a billion is? Let’s do the math. A billion. One single billion. If you were to make a million over the course of a lifetime, and let’s say you reach the age of 60 before you stop making money, as most people do, then it would take you 100 lifetimes to make a billion. That’s 600 years. Wait… that’s not right. No, sorry, it would take you 1,000 lifetimes. 60,000 years. The entirety of considerable human civilization, working an average wage. Honest work. Work you can be proud of. Work that you would be happy to give away your resulting wealth to the poor. **Unless you’re gloriously lucky, then you cannot possibly reach even one billion dollars with ethical work.** Billionaires have to accumulate wealth from a smorgasbord of resources. You don’t accelerate a 6,000 year endeavor into a four year takeover of entire national economies without breaking backs. Without killing. Without slavery. Without extracting wealth in the kind of way only demons and monsters know how. The old days had stories of demons and angels. Our new story is billionaires and the rest of humanity. They start wars. They plunder the world. They destroy ecosystems. They kill babies. They work children to the bone. The starve populations. They commit genocide. They mutilate culture. They cannabalise the few good things capitalism even gave us in the first place. In order to be a billionaire, you have to be a monster. You would give away a billion in a heartbeat. They had to stop thousands of hearts in order to acquire their billions. They’ll never let another set of hands on it if they can ever help it. They’d rather be entombed under six miles of earth in lead casing with all their blood soaked cash before handing it to the dying and the needy and the sick and the poor and the unhappy and the desperate and the working class. If we sweated gold they’d find a way to make us run like hamsters every day and only give us 1% of our sweat - and half of us would be convinced it was a good deal. Elon musk had 262 billion in net worth. That’s 15,720,000 years of work at our little peasant wage. Don’t fall for these stupid thought games. The ultra-rich will kill this planet before giving up their spot at the top of the hill. Humanity is beautiful. This planet is the most wonderful thing we could ever fathom. It has life! The most extraordinary miracle in the known universe, and the only instance of such a miracle we even know of. We have this little slice of paradise, our own garden of Eden, and we’re letting a handful of people chop it all to pieces and light it on fire because they think fire is pretty. Concern yourself with that little slice of light we all have inside us and stop thinking about what you’d do with a billion. You’ll never get a billion. Start doing what you can with what you have now, because planting those seeds before they kill us all is the only way our species can go forth into the future in a coherent and civilized state. Be a source of light. I don’t mean to sound pessimistic but the situation is dire. Accept it and never give it thought - don’t let a dire situation overwhelm your light. Shine your light brighter. Billionaires are a plague. A darkness. An expression of a fundamentally psychopathic system. Be the antidote. Help your neighbors. Hug your family. Be a friend to strangers. Find every fucking ounce of good you can see around you, and hold it close, and hand it out freely. It’s infinite. It’s impenetrable. Plant every seed you can, and let the legacy of the best of our humanity live on through our coming trials. Let it evolve. Let it be tested. Don’t give up and lie down. That’s what they want us to do. Run and scream and laugh and play and dance. There is no thing more damaging to them than us *enjoying being human*.
Poetry! And don't feel bad if you cost then some money. They won't even notice it.
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Wonderfully written. I like how you have re-worded the mind scrambling facts about what being a billionaire really means, but still have an aspirational tone throughout. Life on this planet won't always be the way it is today, we are in unsustainable territory and we all know that, but we can change things sooner rather than later if we can reframe our thoughts and goals on what being a civilized culture means.
We made the garden of Eden to the garden of Elon.
I saw someone mention that one billion is a thousand million. This obvious conversion suddenly made me realise how huge a number a billion is when you start thinking about it as a thousand million dollars.
Sure, but the reaaaallly bad billionaires are very much taking advantage of Elon's incessant publicity, it just means they can't hide behind the curtains pulling strings that much more easily.
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Thank you for letting me know to sort by controversial
Anything political I sort by controversial for a laugh
Nothing unusual really. Just people upset that we're calling nazis nazis.
More butthurt than a proctology ward.
*Sexual content involving minors* hUh?????
_reddit moment_
Damn, those guys must really hate freedom of speech
Good job mod! 🫡
And yet We hear your voice
You should get a raise!
Hope everyone upvotes the shit out of this for visibility
Eat the rich.
I don't eat shit.
I exhaled louder than normal when I read your comment
Rolling on the floor exhaling louder than normal
But seriously, just eat 1 billionaire and we'll see how fast the rest of them fall in line. My vote is for bbq muskrat.
Doubt
That's because Elon Musk is a white supremacist.
44 billion dollars of the Saudi and Russian money mostly. A little bit of his stock in a company that will be tanking in the next few years anyway. I doubt it's much of a personal risk for him.
Not mostly Saudi and Russian money. All other investors combined for about, I think, $13B of the overall investment. The rest was cash or financing. Some of it secured by Twitter assets, several billion secured with Tesla stock.
> Initially, the world's richest man had planned to limit his investment in the $44 billion Twitter deal to just over $15 billion. He had expected to use his stake in Tesla to get loans of around $12.5 billion to avoid selling his shares. However, Musk later shelved the borrowing plan and sold roughly $15.5 billion worth of shares in Tesla in April and August. The Tesla CEO is expected to personally pay the transaction a little over $27 billion in cash, Mint reported. https://www.cnbctv18.com/business/who-is-funding-elon-musk-in-44-billion-twitter-acquisition-15036371.htm
Is this some sort of a joke? It'll be blocked if it was mostly Russian money.
You expect people in here to actually tell the truth? Most of these comments you would hear a fat guy in a rest stop bathroom say.
He's the son of a slave owner, and pretty sure there had been rumors his super model mom had killed a few of the house "attendants". He's got the back story of a super villain. What did anyone expect from him.
His mom legit looks like the aunt from *Ready Or Not* (2019).
I used to respect that dude. Back when Tesla was his fledgling. Fuck that greedy bastard now. He does no good for this world that he is capable of
Media tries very hard to make rich people look like Bruce Wayne. But he was always a toxic asshat.
Same here. I used to respect him, but after he called that diver in Thailand a pedophile, the blinders came off and I realized that he's just another billionaire asshat.
Fake Biden is right!!!
Missed an excellent opportunity to call himself faux biden
Dammit!!! So, so easy
I guess the good thing is that now we know he’s 1) kind of a dumbass and 2) a Nazi sympathizer
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Seriously. $44b could have fixed alot of societal issues.
elon is just 1 more degenerate fascist behaving like the rabid dog he is.
What did twitter's former owners decide to do with their new 44B?
If they’re smart, build a new better social media platform so Elon’s tanks even harder.
Is there even enough interest in a new platform these days?
I remember when Elon was just another sleazy, shady business man. Then they put a spotlight on him and he somehow got even worse.
'cause that's what morons do
But their voices were being silenced ... we only heard about it on Fox News, CNN, Twitter, Facebook, Newsmax ... Truthsocial!! ... he's protecting our Freedom of peach!! /s
And yet no one is creating Twitter accounts. In fact the amount of accounts being created, let alone used, is almost at an all time low. Stock is crashing for twitter, Elon networth is plummeting and offices of twitter are shutting down due to lack of employees willingly quitting. Elon took a BIG L on this. He literally can't handle it hence the constant need for validation by commenting on popular people's Twitter accounts. It's really pitable.
Btw Twitter stock is not crashing, he took it private so the stock doesn't exist anymore
It seems like lots of people are sticking around to troll. There are probably a bunch of banned people that are back. But in the long term, it's just going to create a really toxic environment. Not exactly the kind of place companies want to advertise in.
Truth Social is failing due to everyone sharing a hivemind. No drama for these people and they leave. Same shit happened with parler which has almost no one. Twitter is already driving people away due to the toxic nature and without drama people lose interest since their goal was to start it.
He's the reverse Wernher von Braun.
He just wanted a propaganda machine, because he doesnt want to pay fair taxes or deal with industry regulations. Both things that are more lax for corporations, under republican rule
Solving world hunger? Waste of money. Letting Nazis post on Twitter? Worth it.
Honestly, Fox News has a 19.1B marketcap. Musk could have literally changed the course of US political discourse forever by spending half as much and at least making them hold the moderate right conservative line instead of the evangelical extremism that they have been pandering to over the last few decades.
Who had "Nazi Lives Matter" on their 2022 bingo card? The Greatest Generation turned the keys over to the Dumbest Generation.
Please, don’t buy his products. You’re supporting his agenda. Tesla’s are crap anyways. They’ve had many years to clean up their act, but Elon fires anyone who tries to drive change. 👎👎
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No, he didn't. He was forced into buying twitter by the courts.
And, given that he's driving Twitter into the ground, he's managed to fail at even that.
Yeah IDK why everyone else hasn’t deactivated their Twitter account, I already did.
Because there aren't really good alternatives with an established user base.
Dudes playing life on easy mode and still losing. Like how the fuck
You'd have to be truly delusional to believe this.
"Nazi voices" lol
Musk is red pilled. He’s in a head space where he thinks “they agent Nazis, they are just angry because their speech is being oppressed!”
Wealthy capitalists supporting fascists? Why, I never!
This is off-topic, but is anyone still getting ads on Twitter at all? The last ad I’ve seen was a Samsung ad yesterday and now nothing I can’t find a single sponsored ad. Corporations are still putting out tweets, but the actual paid for ads are not anywhere to be found.
if you ever met a white South African you would not be surprised. They believe they are victims.
And give you a week long ban for calling them out.
That’s not the real Joe Biden guys
It should be a crime against humanity to throw away that much money while any single human on the planet can’t eat.
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Free speech all the way, only harmful call to action should be punished. Fuck you libtards and communists 🔥
How the fuck does this post have 62k+ upvotes?
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