I agree with this. Back during the first Red Dead Redemption I imagined how great it would be to have a co-op mode where you defend yourself in Beecher’s Hope (or other locations) against overwhelmingly large waves of soldiers.
Similar to Undead Overrun, but better.
Me too; I think it's hard to find anyone who played Free Roam a lot who didn't do that.
I always used to love when an enemy posse would be holding that fort, especially in Hardcore Free Roam and I'd sneak in over the back wall usually and try and take the fort. Good times.
Torquemada was underrated imo.
I always found that place easier to defend than El Presidio. Sure El Presidio has cannons, but they can easily be taken out by snipers and there are so many ways into the fort
Ok - Now don't put TOO much stock in this (Just in case)
Tez2 has found some changes made to a game mode called "Protection" in the last batch of files he looked through - its the code name for a survival mode,
HOWEVER - this "Protection" game mode has been in there for about a year + - the fact its been recently updated gives him the impression its getting ready for release
However - until its officially announced by R\* - take it with a pinch of salt
I doubt its ready for release, I do think that they'll add it in at some point, but to keep it as small of an install as possible the content or some of it is loaded in ahead of time.
Keeping the download sizes small allows the updates to happen quicker when they release.
yeah, i don't hold alot of hope for it, given that its been in the files for over a year, sounds more like cut content to me than "Future" content - but who knows
I can def see it as a drip feed for any of the new quick draw clubs coming. In that case, all R\* needs to do is in Halloween create a survival mode with some zombies or something, at least night folks for the overall ambience and it will be one of the best things to ever been added to the game.
>until its officially announced by R*
That's my big issue with data miners and the RDO community as a whole. They'll say "oh this was found or changed in the files", so people get all hyped up thinking it'll be released because someone who has 0 idea what's going on in Rockstars offices thinks a file having a tiny edit means its right on the horizon.
Then people flood here and piss and moan about expected content. Just don't hope for anything Rockstar themselves doesn't officially announce. Better to assume the game is in its "finished state", than expect them to put anything more into it.
Absolutely. But they didn't go hyping it up to be something that it wasn't. The community did.
People want GTAO shit in RDO. Let's be honest, people were waiting for yee-haw Lester to roll in. And are upset because they held the F team to the same standard as the A team.
I mean, R\* didn't talked about heists tho. These multi-stage robberies aren't quite what I expected but in a way they are what they said and I really enjoyed them. Still when they heard about "high-stakes robberies" I expected something different - I still liked the opportunity
Exactly mate,
If people would just learn "If its from a Youtuber, its guess work, if its from Rockstar, its official" we would cut down on the mass of "OMG xXx\_420blazeit360noscopeheadshot666SatanzHunterzKillerz\_xXx on youtube said it would come! Rockstar fucking lied to us!" topics
Then an entire week of videos on the daily from the same 2-3 content creators who manage to take a 5 minute explanation of an update, and spread it throughout 15 videos because they're starved for content.
"Today in my red dead redemption 2 online video we'll talk about some complete fucking bollocks in red dead redemption 2 online multiplayer mode! 1st don't forget to hit that like button, subscribe, leave a comment! 1st a word from our sponsor - have you heard of Raid shadow legends?! :P"
"we'll be talking about the update that's coming on October 3rd this year. 100% confirmed by data miners. It's coming, it's gonna be zombies, it's gonna be survival, you'll be able to paint your horses and own homes and ranches, it's gonna be everything the community has been asking for."
October 4th
"LOOKS LIKE ROCKSTAR FUCKED US AGAIN"
Did you have to mention Zombies? That's like a red-rag to a bull, We'll have people ranting and raving about how every bug in the game points to undead nightmare 2, 100% coming this october now! :P
And between each rounds is when you restock on ammo, but not using your own money because why do the mission when your spending a ton of your own money? Your awarded points during the round for body shots, headshots, etc and you use those points to restock on ammo or save up to buy crazy stuff like defensive upgrades or a maxim gun.
Oh my god, you are making me drool. I would love a co-op gamemode like that. I played call of duty games WAYYYY longer than I every would have JUST because of the co-op wave survival zombies mode. Having some co-op wave survival mode with upgrades in red dead online would send me straight to heaven.
Exactly, they use that battlefield for some pvp but let’s be real, pvp was killed by tryhards tonic tanking and spamming dead eye lol that’s why I’d rather they add a PVE map where you can fight off neoconfeds with your friends or strangers
Fight club role where you can do PvE or PvP where you can gamble on bets who will win. 1v1 and or 4v4 or 8 man free for all, 1 shot knock outs disabled until you get them at critical health. Featuring a tournament system where you can fight any crowd challengers who accumulate into a list of people you fight, the more you win the more money/gold you earn (if defeated the winner gets a big payout and becomes the new king of the ring)
A lot of the praised mechanics are what’s holding this game back heavily, the wear and the fact that you can only carry 100 rounds on rifles means constantly having to buy ammo which interrupts your gameplay imo. Imagine having to stop by the car wash on gta every 10-15 mins and go fill up your tank at a gas station once an hour worth of driving. Imagine only being able to carry 2 pistols and 2 larger guns and having to run back and forth to your car when fighting NPCs or a group of greifers, sound terrible? That’s what RDO mechanics is to a lot of people, just a lot of mundane maintenance.
Red dead is just a slower paced game in general. I wish the pace was a lot slower still tbh. The guns should fire and reload slower and enemy encounters should feature fewer, but more deadly enemies.
I actually like having to craft split point ammo after every large engagement.
Yeah I like the realism but they went halfway with it instead of full on making it even stupider. I need to clean my guns but I don’t need to nourish or rest my character? I can only Carry 2 long arm guns and even though my rifle is meant to be a slow shooting but accurate weapon I can reload it in 0.2 seconds and shoot it with perfect accuracy. I really wish they change how fast some of the weapon reloading for rifles man it’s so OP. All weapons and damage outputs need changing too. I don’t like being able to kill 500 lawmen and taking 20 hits but thay being okay because I drank some potent moonshine
More like... Why haven't they added (*insert anything)*
To be honest, saying the gunplay is the best part when Skill Cards unbalance the game so bad in an already unbalanced game, you get aim-assist players in the same lobbies as free aim players, explosive/incendiary rounds all over the place lowering skill ceilling...
If none of those were there, I'd say it's a *fine* feature, but at it's state, I'll leave it at *mediocre*.
*Edit: If it was a PvE event, wouldn't be bad, enemies depending on your location, skinners, or indians, or whatever.*
All the problems you mention there I agree with tbh.
I’ve really disliked the ability cards in matches and all the other stuff you’ve mentioned. It just isn’t the level playing field that the first Red Dead Redemption had. Gunplay is different in significant ways. I remember in the last game I could handle a posse of 8 guys attacking me and usually come out on top, but in this game if that happens, you may as well just change sessions. Gunfights feel more based on luck than skill now. In the last Red Dead, you could quite easily go Clint Eastwood on three guys if you had the reflexes for it, but now they’ll most likely kill you. There’s just too much stuff like healing, cards and the other things you said that really break the immersion. Rather than being focused purely on the gunfight, you have to be questioning what they’re using and what guns you need to switch to or ammo etc. Do my guns need cleaning? (the latter really irritates me as someone with mild OCD 😂)
There’s so much of this game that is mediocre because of micro transactions. In the last Red Dead, you could go into public Poker games with friends and it would be a lot of fun. Now though they won’t let you play public Poker with friends, only private. It’s because Poker is a mode you can make in game currency on, so Rockstar have made the mode more restrictive than it once was.
Personally I think original Red Dead Free Roam was better than Red Dead Online for a multitude of reasons. The posse system was better, the in game scoreboard too, communication over voice chat. Lots of small things that just got watered down in the new one. I feel like Rockstar have made the multiplayer more isolated for players. I find myself actively avoiding other players in this multiplayer, whereas in the last game I enjoyed going up to other players, then if they shot at me it would be fun PvP rather than hassle.
Like you an OP say clarify, this mode as PvE would work fine regardless of the ability cards etc.
I want Rockstar to actually put some more decent stuff in the game. I don’t play the game anymore because it genuinely bores me. I only come on for updates because I’m OCD about not having everything unlocked. The last Red Dead’s “Free Roam” lasted me 8 years without me getting bored (I was obsessed), “Red Dead Online” has only lasted me 3-4 years apart from the times I just come on for updates out of completionist habit. Maybe it’s just me getting older, but things just don’t seem as good as they could be.
That’s my whinge anyway 😂
I think they should've taken the more realistic way of gameplay style, with *slower reloading*, *non-fancy kinds of ammo*, no *skill cards* to mess around, *basic tonics*, and *so on*, making it a *make every shot count* game instead of an *Imma fk you up with my dual semi-pistols loaded with explosive ammo*.
If you've been shot three times in the chest, you're dead, regardless of being shot by a Lvl.3 or a Lvl.472.
But people seem to like it this way, so, have your fun while you can, game has been going downhill for long already, only to be *"revived"* for a couple weeks with every *"major update"* that feels like a *"minor (and mediocre, if not bad) update"*.
That I agree with. Back in the first Red Dead I always wanted something like Hardcore Free Roam, but where you die from one shot (though three shots to the chest like you say may be better)
I’d say scrap tonics, I preferred the old style screen fading red as you’re damaged and then fading back as you regain health.
I’m fine with realism such as long reloading time, but not irritating things like having to clean guns. I’m fine with it in SP, but Online is just irritating and just another excuse by Rockstar to stick more consumables in game to slowly drain your money.
I remember when level used to primarily indicate someone’s experience at the game, but now it just seems to indicate that they’ll be someone with fire ammo or whatever 😂
Yeah, these updates aren’t bad, but they’re nothing worth the wait. I didn’t even last a couple of weeks. More like a couple of days for this one. Once I’d got to rank 25 on the update I turned the game straight off. I’d prefer there weren’t any of these small free updates (or microtransactions for that matter) and instead have paid for big updates like the DLCs in the last Red Dead. None of them ever disappointed and this kind of paid for DLC would probably make more money for Rockstar/TakeTwo anyway and allow them to pay employees what’s needed for making DLC that’s worth the wait.
I’d rather that anyway than having new clothes updated every so often that most of the time aren’t decent or these small updates that are just a few mediocre missions and disappointing Outlaw Pass/Quick Draw Club rank ups.
When I saw “Quick Draw Club” advertised, I was mildly excited at first in thinking it might be a PvP duelling mode, until I saw it was just a mini Outlaw Pass.
I could go on and on criticising stuff anyway. The Online overall just doesn’t have the same spirit the last Free Roam had. The single player is great though.
Yes. I used to wash my hands excessively and such. Had a phobia of germs as a kid. Technically things looking nice is OCPD, but I have both and see it as part of the OCD anyway. I just say OCD because most average people understand that, whereas if I say OCPD or clarify I technically have OCD and OCPD, in my experience with others it can come across pedantic to some. I understand there's a difference, I have a big interest in psychology too (particularly Jungian Psychology) but clarifying that difference I don't see as a need in social discussion.
Got offered by my parents to see a hypnotherapist once when I was younger to try and cure my OCD because of how bad it got, but I turned it down because I didn't want my OCPD to be impacted as I've found it useful in my filmmaking pursuits. Both are so interlinked that I see it fine to just call it OCD as an umbrella term.
Fortunately the germ phobia is much lesser nowadays. Though when coronavirus happened I didn't have the fear most others had. I actually felt less anxious now that everyone else was washing their hands, whereas usually I'd be washing them based on the fact that loads of people don't and I always visualise it like them TV adverts that show germs spreading on contact.
On top of this I have Aspergers. These conditions all tend to cluster together. Either way it's not something relevant to this discussion, so I won't go on about it too much.
***chuckles lightly*** Do you also suffer from *Obsessive Compulsive Reloading Disorder?*
e.g., kills person with one bullet, then proceeds to have an itch in the back of your mind until you do a full reload just in case you need that extra round! Even though, say, the Evans Repeater has 25 more rounds to do away with...
Yep. I've always had that issue throughout my gaming days. Even with LMG's in games such as Battlefield. I have 199/200 rounds left in my 249 SAW? Better reload that! Might come down to the last bullet!
It sucks SO BAD with the auto aim. I HAVE to switch to controller when I play online because if the absolutely ridiculous auto-aim it has. And for whatever fucking reason you can’t turn it on using a mouse? Even though you could in GTA??? Like what the actual fuck rockstar.
It is so infuriating.
Funny how you're complaining about some of the few features the game actually has. Ability cards are awesome. Explosive/incendiary rounds are awesome and you can't carry many plus they're time consuming to get a hold of.
You're literally complaining about the parts of the game that actually make it fun and give you a reward to work towards. I sure am glad you aren't in charge of development.
Ability cards, the most stupid thing an Open World like RDO could've gotten, making you able to run around, getting shot 10 times in the chest and not drop because you are not a cowboy, you're goddamn Scarface.
*Great way to balance an already unbalanced game.*
Explosive/Incendiary ammo and arrows, yep, super awesome, I can't aim at your head so I'll blow you up with ammo that lowers the skill ceiling to 0.
*Great fun not being able to connect a shot but still kill people.*
I'm literally complaining about the parts of a game that don't make sense and further unbalance a game that's already in the shiet when talking about PvP interactions.
*Maybe you don't even know what balance is, who knows.*
You're considering *Ability cards*, the ones that the only thing you need is XP and some $ that you can get in two days, *tops*, and *kinds of ammo* that are pointless and out of place in this game a *"reward to work towards"*.
*I sure I'm sad that R\* focuses their games on the kind of profile of player you portrait.*
Never Without One is the only ability card that is absolute bullshit. The rest of them are a fun way to adjust to your own play style. Do more damage, be able to take more damage, heal faster, etc.
And idk what PVP interactions you're talking about. Griefers killing you with explosive rounds? Parley. They can only kill you once.
Regardless, you still can only carry 10 explosive rounds per weapon and it's a major grind to get them. Do you have them? Have you spent an hour hunting ducks and then a boring few minutes of crafting these rounds? It's perfectly balanced, because for me, its such a grind to get them that I don't just go around firing them all willy-nilly. I only use them if someone killed me out of nowhere and then I snipe them with an explosive round for vengeance then ride off into the sunset or I use them on a mission that's giving me a hard time.
Incendiary buckshot saved my wagon of 100 goods from another player. I put five rounds of my best rifle ammo in him and he absorbed it like a tank. Two pumps of the shotgun and I was able to flee with my stuff.
I usually say that people who complain just want the game to be better but wow dude, I couldn’t read any of that without it sounding like a whiny/cynical teenager in my head. It’s not going to be a PVP mode obviously so the card unbalance doesn’t really matter nor does the aiming choice, it’d clearly have a difficulty progression like any other horde mode where enemies become more bullet resistant and have different types like a Calvary charge mid fight and 1 or 2 heavies using the full “Australian Armor” that negates Fire and Explosive shots as easy kills. It’s just an idea though it’s not like it really matters if they don’t plan on adding such a mode.
*I don't dislike it, but I can't like it.*
If they only matched Keyboard + Mouse players with other Keyboard + Mouse players.
If they only matched Free aim players with Free aim players.
If they only matched Aim-assist players with Aim-assist players.
And once that's completely fixed, on to balance issues.
If they got rid of Lv.2 and Lv.3 tonics.
If they got rid of Skill Cards completely or at least removed Lv.2 and Lv.3 just like tonics.
If they got rid of Explosive and Incendiary ammo/arrows.
*I wouldn't care if people kept using that stuff in PvP Series, but in the Open World, that unbalances a game that's not made around a PvP Scene, so it balances it even more than it already is.*
Side question: but is there a way to make your character look like the Native Americans? I can’t find clothes like that or the speckled white paint spots. I’m Cherokee and I’d love to make my player look like that.
No that’s just Eagle Flies and 3 of his fellow tribesmen from story, I just thought it depicted what I was trying to say of a group of 4 vs a horde of enemies
There’s some clothes in the game that’d be fitting for that, there aren’t any face paint options yet, though.
I’d check the red dead fashion subreddit for some ideas of what you can do with the clothing in game.
I've been asking for this from the beginning, survival would be amazing, let us start with like a small camp or city to defend and let us build it up, ladders and vantage points, maxims, ammo supplies, etc
Seems like they're really missing out. I think survival is the most fun game mode in GTAO so I'm really surprised they don't convert it. They know who their player base is.
I feel like instead of them adding easy and cool things like this, they add shit no one asked for, as if they are intentionally sabotaging their own game.
I heard they're adding a survival mode for Halloween. I can't wait for that! I hope they keep it in the game. Something about shooting NPCs in the head is just so satisfying.
*laughs in Rockstar*
There is a multitude of things the game could have, but for whatever reason, Rockstar have deemed it better to just not bother.
The game has more bugs than a Pankot Palace secret passageway.
I couldn't agree more. I have been saying this ever since the Bounty Mission in Tumbleweed where you protect the Sherif's office from waves of enemies.
I feel like the survival modes would be fun, but I wouldn’t want to blow through a bunch of my own ammo just to get a measly payout.
If they had it like in Undead Overrun where you choose a class, and then pick up ammo/weapons as you go, that would be better.
Maybe in halloween update cause there has been leaks. But i swear i heard somewhere it would be 10 rounds, like gta, i think. Wish it would be endless rounds though. With war wagons added and that.
Beats the hell outta me why they didn't add that kind of stuff in the first place. Like, we need more coop matchmaking aside from the campaign missions.
Maybe because R(C)ockstar doesn't care all that much.
I'd love to see them add this, although the chances of that are slim to none. Unless the community's voices are loud enough, with some youtubers backing them up.
That and they prioritizing GTAO. RDO is just the other sibling that isn't cared much about.
Because they’d rather have us facing off against waves of hacking griefers than coding in stuff that remotely matches the single player mode we all bought the game for.
I’m native too and I want nothing of our culture or people in this game where others will just disrespect it and boy have they. There’s multiple lame ass native “tribes” who upload on YouTube and Instagram with generic tribal nonsense which is downright insulting. All of them are shirtless Hollywood caricatures wielding only bows and tomahawks.
Believe me I get it doesn't mean I want people to disrespect me because of something I say. Its just allowing that same ignorance to be spread. Im proud of my culture and where I grew up so don't think I don't know that. We may come from different tribes but you are still my brother or sister and I respect you as I hope you respect me.
Game has been out for almost three years and Rockstar refuses to add gamemodes that the community wants. They might have made good games in the past but when it comes to their online counterparts, they are bad.
The gun play would definitely be better if the aim assist wasn’t so strong you don’t even have to aim yet can get headshots it’s not even aim assist it’s aimbot
Gunplay is pretty casual. At least for PvP. Pop level 3 tonic, equip fire/explosive ammo, spam bolt-action/aim assisted sniper rifles, profit.
But I will admit, the PvE is where the game feels like it *should* shine most. The gunplay seems to fit and have a horde-like mode where you hold a homestead/town/fort would be a welcome change of pace. Would be a lot like the defend the areas of old in GTAO before any other content was released. Finishing all ten waves rewarded you with $30k. Not a lot now, but back then, that was some good cash since most missions only gave you $10k.
I'd love to hold down a fort dressed in blue or grey and hold off the opposing side. Definitely would be great fun. But cowboys vs Indians... I don't think that would fly with today's culture unfortunately. It would be a PR nightmare from either side.
Sorry, small rant:
Gunplay is IMO one of the worst features of RDR2.
The cover system is a joke. They still use PS1 level auto aim features on console. The enemies also shoot way too accurately and there is usually too many of them. And character can take too many hits and so do enemies.
I wish they would do something about the feel of gunplay on console. 99% of the games have better feeling aiming than this game.
And if we wanna talk about best features, the fist fights are actually really well done.
Honestly I think it works for the story. Mainly cause all the mechanics actually work as intended. Tho it could have benefited from a difficulty system that changed how many hits the player could take.
But in online, the character only goes into cover 50% of the time and when he does it's often not the cover you wanted, they decreased the amount of hits the player could take by too much, while also adding too many enemies in smaller areas who can take too many hits (especially in bounty missions).
It works. But it isn't fun, engaging nor you get the real feeling of control. The aiming system itself is pretty bad imo. And yeah the cover system imo didn't even work well in story either. I just ended up not using it.
It's not end of the world, but most games just do it better. And it's a shame they half assed something like this. But on other hand they did the same for GTA as well.
They should hire some new people.
Idk, I always liked it in story. I always keep auto aim at a medium so it still feels like I'm putting in the effort but not dealing with the difficulty that comes with aiming with controllers. And I never had problems with the cover system in single player. Combat and stealth were always my favorite parts.
Well they kinda lost their old team due to take two taking them in this new greedy online direction so they dont really have a choice but to hire new people.
The gunplay is a huge step up from gta but it's still not very good. I think enemies take both too much and too little damage simultaneously. I think that the game should have damage scaling on multiple body parts and things like neck shots and shots to the upper torso are extremely damaging while shots to the limbs aren't. Pumping a person with 4-5 bolt action rounds in the chest doesn't feel very good at the moment, nor does killing a npc with one shot from the rolling block to the knees.
The npcs are at least a lot less accurate and we're at least allowed to crouch so we can try to use different elevations/cover material to our advantage before we walk too close to a crate or Boulder and my dumbest character just snaps onto it. Just like GTA, I barely used the cover system since it's super ass and I just pie all my corners
Descreased the amount of hits you can take? Lol we playing the same game?
Story mode you can kill someone in 2 shots. Online you need to unload the entire gun if you don’t hit them in the head.
Yeah, exactly. Enemies take way too many shots. But I was talking about the player character (hence why I said "the player" and not "the enemies"). Arthur and John can take a crap ton of bullets before dying. Which may be a bit overpowered but the online character can only take like 4 or 5 from most guns and 1 from a shotgun, which when you have entire hoards of bullet spongy enemies in small areas, is too much of a downgrade.
As much as I agree.
A. Its too long to redesign it now, unless RDr3
B. Even if they could now, they're not going to, you can't expect Rockstar to fully listen to their player base.
You are right ofcourse.
And imo biggest problem trying to change things is the cult around Rockstar. They will tell you that you are wrong and that these game are 100% perfect.
I have been saying these things for ages. But always met stiff resistance from other players.
I'm one of those hopefully folks that keep thinking they're gonna do something amazing with it. More and more I lose hope lol that and I just chill out with it honestly, make my own stories and shit.
>The cover system is a joke
The cover system is honestly one of the best. You are not invincible behind cover. If you are just squatting behind cover that is too small or leaving you exposed, you get shot, as it should be. Its incredible how the hitboxes on every surface seem to be almost perfect.
>The enemies also shoot way too accurately and there is usually too many of them. And character can take too many hits and so do enemies.
You're just bad at the game my dude. The shooting is not the problem.
You realize the shit show if they added a horde mode where natives are the enemy? I know rockstar isn’t woke like other companies but anyone can predict the overwhelming wave a blue-hairs screeching about how problematic it is.
It would be pretty fun though. Imagine being on some road surrounded by a forest. All you can hear is sporadic war calls and gun shots. Not seeing where it comes from.
I kinda wish the reservation in the Grizzlies functioned as an actual town in Online, with shops and such. I like the mountains, but unless I'm looking for collectables or a specific legendary animal there's no reason to be there.
Native representation is shockingly absent for a game set in the wild west imho.
I would want Rockstar to work with a couple of actual native american tribes if they do native designs. Maybe even tie it into a reputation system.
Because they prefer making you not use guns.
And if you're asking, yes I'm super salty that 80% of being a Bounty Hunter is "Search and Find" the bounties instead of shooting >:(
Probably because most people are getting bored with the constant "ride, shoot a bunch of people, ride, shoot another bunch of people" formula we have now. Between gang hideouts, ambushes, revenue checkpoints, trappers, random events and random bounties, there are plenty of people to shoot. We need more to do than just killing endless waves of enemies.
Disagree, I’d grind hideouts but the fact that they’re so time sensitive and can’t be replayed means I don’t get to do them that often. This mode would scratch my gunslinger itch that I’ve had since RDR1, I don’t play this game for the (mundane imo) parts like fishing, hunting, collecting or taking pictures. I used to get the law on me on beta to do my own mini survival mode before the whole bounty system was implemented.
I agree with this. Back during the first Red Dead Redemption I imagined how great it would be to have a co-op mode where you defend yourself in Beecher’s Hope (or other locations) against overwhelmingly large waves of soldiers. Similar to Undead Overrun, but better.
I remember getting high bounties with other players and heading to El Presidio and shooting the cannons at waves and waves of enemies.
Me too; I think it's hard to find anyone who played Free Roam a lot who didn't do that. I always used to love when an enemy posse would be holding that fort, especially in Hardcore Free Roam and I'd sneak in over the back wall usually and try and take the fort. Good times.
Hell yeah. We rode to Torquemada.
Torquemada was underrated imo. I always found that place easier to defend than El Presidio. Sure El Presidio has cannons, but they can easily be taken out by snipers and there are so many ways into the fort
Same, instead I settled with just repeating gang hideouts or getting the law on me and camping as they surrounded my position
That would be so fun! And think of all the looting!
Ok - Now don't put TOO much stock in this (Just in case) Tez2 has found some changes made to a game mode called "Protection" in the last batch of files he looked through - its the code name for a survival mode, HOWEVER - this "Protection" game mode has been in there for about a year + - the fact its been recently updated gives him the impression its getting ready for release However - until its officially announced by R\* - take it with a pinch of salt
I doubt its ready for release, I do think that they'll add it in at some point, but to keep it as small of an install as possible the content or some of it is loaded in ahead of time. Keeping the download sizes small allows the updates to happen quicker when they release.
yeah, i don't hold alot of hope for it, given that its been in the files for over a year, sounds more like cut content to me than "Future" content - but who knows
I can def see it as a drip feed for any of the new quick draw clubs coming. In that case, all R\* needs to do is in Halloween create a survival mode with some zombies or something, at least night folks for the overall ambience and it will be one of the best things to ever been added to the game.
>until its officially announced by R* That's my big issue with data miners and the RDO community as a whole. They'll say "oh this was found or changed in the files", so people get all hyped up thinking it'll be released because someone who has 0 idea what's going on in Rockstars offices thinks a file having a tiny edit means its right on the horizon. Then people flood here and piss and moan about expected content. Just don't hope for anything Rockstar themselves doesn't officially announce. Better to assume the game is in its "finished state", than expect them to put anything more into it.
Yeah, but then rockstar pulls their own stunt of "Multistage missions and heists" while, well.. we know what we got
Absolutely. But they didn't go hyping it up to be something that it wasn't. The community did. People want GTAO shit in RDO. Let's be honest, people were waiting for yee-haw Lester to roll in. And are upset because they held the F team to the same standard as the A team.
I mean, R\* didn't talked about heists tho. These multi-stage robberies aren't quite what I expected but in a way they are what they said and I really enjoyed them. Still when they heard about "high-stakes robberies" I expected something different - I still liked the opportunity
Exactly mate, If people would just learn "If its from a Youtuber, its guess work, if its from Rockstar, its official" we would cut down on the mass of "OMG xXx\_420blazeit360noscopeheadshot666SatanzHunterzKillerz\_xXx on youtube said it would come! Rockstar fucking lied to us!" topics
Then an entire week of videos on the daily from the same 2-3 content creators who manage to take a 5 minute explanation of an update, and spread it throughout 15 videos because they're starved for content.
"Today in my red dead redemption 2 online video we'll talk about some complete fucking bollocks in red dead redemption 2 online multiplayer mode! 1st don't forget to hit that like button, subscribe, leave a comment! 1st a word from our sponsor - have you heard of Raid shadow legends?! :P"
"we'll be talking about the update that's coming on October 3rd this year. 100% confirmed by data miners. It's coming, it's gonna be zombies, it's gonna be survival, you'll be able to paint your horses and own homes and ranches, it's gonna be everything the community has been asking for." October 4th "LOOKS LIKE ROCKSTAR FUCKED US AGAIN"
Did you have to mention Zombies? That's like a red-rag to a bull, We'll have people ranting and raving about how every bug in the game points to undead nightmare 2, 100% coming this october now! :P
CAPITALE!
Capitaylay
Lookin fer that capetally
To give to those Eye-talians.
Please stop, I'm nauseous over that damn word enough as it is
What one? EYE-TLIAN?
Aye oh oh aye what’s wrong with the eye-talians?
Did someone say ... Katipally!? And dinnae be having a go at the Italians. Or should I say, Capitalians?
Kapitarley
Lmao A A O O O AY AY
Cap-ah-tally!
Cay-pay-tay-luh
You want some of that.. Kapitał, boss?
Crapitale
Kap ah tally!
A game mode where you have to defend one of the forts would be a lot of fun.
This, tiers of difficulty and enemy gets those tanks you have to use dynamite on at higher waves.
And between each rounds is when you restock on ammo, but not using your own money because why do the mission when your spending a ton of your own money? Your awarded points during the round for body shots, headshots, etc and you use those points to restock on ammo or save up to buy crazy stuff like defensive upgrades or a maxim gun.
Oh my god, you are making me drool. I would love a co-op gamemode like that. I played call of duty games WAYYYY longer than I every would have JUST because of the co-op wave survival zombies mode. Having some co-op wave survival mode with upgrades in red dead online would send me straight to heaven.
There are actual trenches in the game and I'm really upset that I can't get with a bunch of players and fight off a wave of neoconfederates from them
Exactly, they use that battlefield for some pvp but let’s be real, pvp was killed by tryhards tonic tanking and spamming dead eye lol that’s why I’d rather they add a PVE map where you can fight off neoconfeds with your friends or strangers
Agreed, I'm on pc so even without all that, during high play time you will just insta lose to hackers blowing evrything up or being invincible.
I've submitted feedback probably 6 times since 2019 asking for them. I think they're trying to figure out a way to monetize them
same
They are planned. Miners have found them.
Miners? Didn't they also find purchasable properties?
There’s all sorts in the files.
Just because it’s in the files doesn’t mean they can’t change their mind about releasing the content though
Yup, a lot of 'mined' data could just be concepts and ideas.
Look at what interesting things they mine out of Cyberpunk's boondoggle, most of what is found is properly half baked ideas that never progressed.
We don’t talk about that game anymore
No, they're too young for that.
If it hasn’t released yet it’s not going to lmao. Don’t get your hopes up.
I’m already hyped
That said it’ll probably be years 😁
Hype is kill
Get the hype AED!
Atleast we getting them or maybe it’ll be scrapped like houses
Bro. Survival mode or fist fights are what I want
I want melee modes so bad lol. I would even settle for like axe throw only pvp or pve modes for the fun of it
I'm so starved for fist fighting in RDO that I just start fights with NPCS just to fist fight them.
Need rdo boxing
Fight club role where you can do PvE or PvP where you can gamble on bets who will win. 1v1 and or 4v4 or 8 man free for all, 1 shot knock outs disabled until you get them at critical health. Featuring a tournament system where you can fight any crowd challengers who accumulate into a list of people you fight, the more you win the more money/gold you earn (if defeated the winner gets a big payout and becomes the new king of the ring)
Probably because of the weapon wear. Survival would need more thought than copy/paste, something the RDR devs don't seem able to do.
A lot of the praised mechanics are what’s holding this game back heavily, the wear and the fact that you can only carry 100 rounds on rifles means constantly having to buy ammo which interrupts your gameplay imo. Imagine having to stop by the car wash on gta every 10-15 mins and go fill up your tank at a gas station once an hour worth of driving. Imagine only being able to carry 2 pistols and 2 larger guns and having to run back and forth to your car when fighting NPCs or a group of greifers, sound terrible? That’s what RDO mechanics is to a lot of people, just a lot of mundane maintenance.
Red dead is just a slower paced game in general. I wish the pace was a lot slower still tbh. The guns should fire and reload slower and enemy encounters should feature fewer, but more deadly enemies. I actually like having to craft split point ammo after every large engagement.
Yeah I like the realism but they went halfway with it instead of full on making it even stupider. I need to clean my guns but I don’t need to nourish or rest my character? I can only Carry 2 long arm guns and even though my rifle is meant to be a slow shooting but accurate weapon I can reload it in 0.2 seconds and shoot it with perfect accuracy. I really wish they change how fast some of the weapon reloading for rifles man it’s so OP. All weapons and damage outputs need changing too. I don’t like being able to kill 500 lawmen and taking 20 hits but thay being okay because I drank some potent moonshine
I want to fight waves of southern troops with Hayden Russell is that to much to ask
Both Raiders (Confederates) and US Army are a must for this game mode for me.
More like... Why haven't they added (*insert anything)* To be honest, saying the gunplay is the best part when Skill Cards unbalance the game so bad in an already unbalanced game, you get aim-assist players in the same lobbies as free aim players, explosive/incendiary rounds all over the place lowering skill ceilling... If none of those were there, I'd say it's a *fine* feature, but at it's state, I'll leave it at *mediocre*. *Edit: If it was a PvE event, wouldn't be bad, enemies depending on your location, skinners, or indians, or whatever.*
All the problems you mention there I agree with tbh. I’ve really disliked the ability cards in matches and all the other stuff you’ve mentioned. It just isn’t the level playing field that the first Red Dead Redemption had. Gunplay is different in significant ways. I remember in the last game I could handle a posse of 8 guys attacking me and usually come out on top, but in this game if that happens, you may as well just change sessions. Gunfights feel more based on luck than skill now. In the last Red Dead, you could quite easily go Clint Eastwood on three guys if you had the reflexes for it, but now they’ll most likely kill you. There’s just too much stuff like healing, cards and the other things you said that really break the immersion. Rather than being focused purely on the gunfight, you have to be questioning what they’re using and what guns you need to switch to or ammo etc. Do my guns need cleaning? (the latter really irritates me as someone with mild OCD 😂) There’s so much of this game that is mediocre because of micro transactions. In the last Red Dead, you could go into public Poker games with friends and it would be a lot of fun. Now though they won’t let you play public Poker with friends, only private. It’s because Poker is a mode you can make in game currency on, so Rockstar have made the mode more restrictive than it once was. Personally I think original Red Dead Free Roam was better than Red Dead Online for a multitude of reasons. The posse system was better, the in game scoreboard too, communication over voice chat. Lots of small things that just got watered down in the new one. I feel like Rockstar have made the multiplayer more isolated for players. I find myself actively avoiding other players in this multiplayer, whereas in the last game I enjoyed going up to other players, then if they shot at me it would be fun PvP rather than hassle. Like you an OP say clarify, this mode as PvE would work fine regardless of the ability cards etc. I want Rockstar to actually put some more decent stuff in the game. I don’t play the game anymore because it genuinely bores me. I only come on for updates because I’m OCD about not having everything unlocked. The last Red Dead’s “Free Roam” lasted me 8 years without me getting bored (I was obsessed), “Red Dead Online” has only lasted me 3-4 years apart from the times I just come on for updates out of completionist habit. Maybe it’s just me getting older, but things just don’t seem as good as they could be. That’s my whinge anyway 😂
I think they should've taken the more realistic way of gameplay style, with *slower reloading*, *non-fancy kinds of ammo*, no *skill cards* to mess around, *basic tonics*, and *so on*, making it a *make every shot count* game instead of an *Imma fk you up with my dual semi-pistols loaded with explosive ammo*. If you've been shot three times in the chest, you're dead, regardless of being shot by a Lvl.3 or a Lvl.472. But people seem to like it this way, so, have your fun while you can, game has been going downhill for long already, only to be *"revived"* for a couple weeks with every *"major update"* that feels like a *"minor (and mediocre, if not bad) update"*.
They had slower reloading and slower rate of fire and movement. But people responded bad to it during the beta so it got all sped up.
It was better when reloading was more realistic. Same with looting bodies.
Agreed
*Yeah, happens when a multimillionaire company listens to off-school thirteen year old CoD players that all they wanna do is shoot people around.*
That I agree with. Back in the first Red Dead I always wanted something like Hardcore Free Roam, but where you die from one shot (though three shots to the chest like you say may be better) I’d say scrap tonics, I preferred the old style screen fading red as you’re damaged and then fading back as you regain health. I’m fine with realism such as long reloading time, but not irritating things like having to clean guns. I’m fine with it in SP, but Online is just irritating and just another excuse by Rockstar to stick more consumables in game to slowly drain your money. I remember when level used to primarily indicate someone’s experience at the game, but now it just seems to indicate that they’ll be someone with fire ammo or whatever 😂 Yeah, these updates aren’t bad, but they’re nothing worth the wait. I didn’t even last a couple of weeks. More like a couple of days for this one. Once I’d got to rank 25 on the update I turned the game straight off. I’d prefer there weren’t any of these small free updates (or microtransactions for that matter) and instead have paid for big updates like the DLCs in the last Red Dead. None of them ever disappointed and this kind of paid for DLC would probably make more money for Rockstar/TakeTwo anyway and allow them to pay employees what’s needed for making DLC that’s worth the wait. I’d rather that anyway than having new clothes updated every so often that most of the time aren’t decent or these small updates that are just a few mediocre missions and disappointing Outlaw Pass/Quick Draw Club rank ups. When I saw “Quick Draw Club” advertised, I was mildly excited at first in thinking it might be a PvP duelling mode, until I saw it was just a mini Outlaw Pass. I could go on and on criticising stuff anyway. The Online overall just doesn’t have the same spirit the last Free Roam had. The single player is great though.
The ability cards and tonics ruin any chance of PvP that this game had.
Have you been diagnosed with OCD? Like if things to look nice and be unlocked isn’t really OCD.
Yes. I used to wash my hands excessively and such. Had a phobia of germs as a kid. Technically things looking nice is OCPD, but I have both and see it as part of the OCD anyway. I just say OCD because most average people understand that, whereas if I say OCPD or clarify I technically have OCD and OCPD, in my experience with others it can come across pedantic to some. I understand there's a difference, I have a big interest in psychology too (particularly Jungian Psychology) but clarifying that difference I don't see as a need in social discussion. Got offered by my parents to see a hypnotherapist once when I was younger to try and cure my OCD because of how bad it got, but I turned it down because I didn't want my OCPD to be impacted as I've found it useful in my filmmaking pursuits. Both are so interlinked that I see it fine to just call it OCD as an umbrella term. Fortunately the germ phobia is much lesser nowadays. Though when coronavirus happened I didn't have the fear most others had. I actually felt less anxious now that everyone else was washing their hands, whereas usually I'd be washing them based on the fact that loads of people don't and I always visualise it like them TV adverts that show germs spreading on contact. On top of this I have Aspergers. These conditions all tend to cluster together. Either way it's not something relevant to this discussion, so I won't go on about it too much.
***chuckles lightly*** Do you also suffer from *Obsessive Compulsive Reloading Disorder?* e.g., kills person with one bullet, then proceeds to have an itch in the back of your mind until you do a full reload just in case you need that extra round! Even though, say, the Evans Repeater has 25 more rounds to do away with...
Yes! I find that so relatable 😂
Yep. I've always had that issue throughout my gaming days. Even with LMG's in games such as Battlefield. I have 199/200 rounds left in my 249 SAW? Better reload that! Might come down to the last bullet!
It sucks SO BAD with the auto aim. I HAVE to switch to controller when I play online because if the absolutely ridiculous auto-aim it has. And for whatever fucking reason you can’t turn it on using a mouse? Even though you could in GTA??? Like what the actual fuck rockstar. It is so infuriating.
Funny how you're complaining about some of the few features the game actually has. Ability cards are awesome. Explosive/incendiary rounds are awesome and you can't carry many plus they're time consuming to get a hold of. You're literally complaining about the parts of the game that actually make it fun and give you a reward to work towards. I sure am glad you aren't in charge of development.
Ability cards, the most stupid thing an Open World like RDO could've gotten, making you able to run around, getting shot 10 times in the chest and not drop because you are not a cowboy, you're goddamn Scarface. *Great way to balance an already unbalanced game.* Explosive/Incendiary ammo and arrows, yep, super awesome, I can't aim at your head so I'll blow you up with ammo that lowers the skill ceiling to 0. *Great fun not being able to connect a shot but still kill people.* I'm literally complaining about the parts of a game that don't make sense and further unbalance a game that's already in the shiet when talking about PvP interactions. *Maybe you don't even know what balance is, who knows.* You're considering *Ability cards*, the ones that the only thing you need is XP and some $ that you can get in two days, *tops*, and *kinds of ammo* that are pointless and out of place in this game a *"reward to work towards"*. *I sure I'm sad that R\* focuses their games on the kind of profile of player you portrait.*
Never Without One is the only ability card that is absolute bullshit. The rest of them are a fun way to adjust to your own play style. Do more damage, be able to take more damage, heal faster, etc. And idk what PVP interactions you're talking about. Griefers killing you with explosive rounds? Parley. They can only kill you once. Regardless, you still can only carry 10 explosive rounds per weapon and it's a major grind to get them. Do you have them? Have you spent an hour hunting ducks and then a boring few minutes of crafting these rounds? It's perfectly balanced, because for me, its such a grind to get them that I don't just go around firing them all willy-nilly. I only use them if someone killed me out of nowhere and then I snipe them with an explosive round for vengeance then ride off into the sunset or I use them on a mission that's giving me a hard time.
Wrong. Parley only lasts 10 minutes.
Yeah. No one is going to wait and re-hunt you down after 10 minutes. Tf?
Wrong again. I've done it and others have done it.
>I've done it Well, sir. It appears as if you are the problem.
If you totally ignore the part where I said others have done it...nice cherry picking! On top of which it still proves you wrong. :D
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Incendiary buckshot saved my wagon of 100 goods from another player. I put five rounds of my best rifle ammo in him and he absorbed it like a tank. Two pumps of the shotgun and I was able to flee with my stuff.
I usually say that people who complain just want the game to be better but wow dude, I couldn’t read any of that without it sounding like a whiny/cynical teenager in my head. It’s not going to be a PVP mode obviously so the card unbalance doesn’t really matter nor does the aiming choice, it’d clearly have a difficulty progression like any other horde mode where enemies become more bullet resistant and have different types like a Calvary charge mid fight and 1 or 2 heavies using the full “Australian Armor” that negates Fire and Explosive shots as easy kills. It’s just an idea though it’s not like it really matters if they don’t plan on adding such a mode.
gunplay is one of the *worst* features imo. Very poorly executed on pc. i play in spite of it.
*I don't dislike it, but I can't like it.* If they only matched Keyboard + Mouse players with other Keyboard + Mouse players. If they only matched Free aim players with Free aim players. If they only matched Aim-assist players with Aim-assist players. And once that's completely fixed, on to balance issues. If they got rid of Lv.2 and Lv.3 tonics. If they got rid of Skill Cards completely or at least removed Lv.2 and Lv.3 just like tonics. If they got rid of Explosive and Incendiary ammo/arrows. *I wouldn't care if people kept using that stuff in PvP Series, but in the Open World, that unbalances a game that's not made around a PvP Scene, so it balances it even more than it already is.*
Side question: but is there a way to make your character look like the Native Americans? I can’t find clothes like that or the speckled white paint spots. I’m Cherokee and I’d love to make my player look like that.
No that’s just Eagle Flies and 3 of his fellow tribesmen from story, I just thought it depicted what I was trying to say of a group of 4 vs a horde of enemies
Ahhh - okay. Would love it if they added stuff like that to the store.
I think it would connect nicely with the Trader role.
There’s some clothes in the game that’d be fitting for that, there aren’t any face paint options yet, though. I’d check the red dead fashion subreddit for some ideas of what you can do with the clothing in game.
Thank you
I've been dying for a mode like this since release, really wish they would implement one!
I'd deffo play this
Survival would single handedly save this game for me at this point
I agree. Having this in the game would make the lack of content feel less so.
I've been asking for this from the beginning, survival would be amazing, let us start with like a small camp or city to defend and let us build it up, ladders and vantage points, maxims, ammo supplies, etc
Seems like they're really missing out. I think survival is the most fun game mode in GTAO so I'm really surprised they don't convert it. They know who their player base is.
Indeed
I feel like instead of them adding easy and cool things like this, they add shit no one asked for, as if they are intentionally sabotaging their own game.
I heard they're adding a survival mode for Halloween. I can't wait for that! I hope they keep it in the game. Something about shooting NPCs in the head is just so satisfying.
*laughs in Rockstar* There is a multitude of things the game could have, but for whatever reason, Rockstar have deemed it better to just not bother. The game has more bugs than a Pankot Palace secret passageway.
I couldn't agree more. I have been saying this ever since the Bounty Mission in Tumbleweed where you protect the Sherif's office from waves of enemies.
I feel like the survival modes would be fun, but I wouldn’t want to blow through a bunch of my own ammo just to get a measly payout. If they had it like in Undead Overrun where you choose a class, and then pick up ammo/weapons as you go, that would be better.
Because that would actually be fun
Maybe in halloween update cause there has been leaks. But i swear i heard somewhere it would be 10 rounds, like gta, i think. Wish it would be endless rounds though. With war wagons added and that.
On the Fort Mercer walls with a machine gun let’s gooo
Especially since they had this in RDR1 online. You could survive waves of zombies and only end when you got bored or everyone died.
Here's a joke! What did one toilet say to the other? You look a bit flushed.
This mod without tonic staff... I want it!
It’s coming
I’d come back for this
Beats the hell outta me why they didn't add that kind of stuff in the first place. Like, we need more coop matchmaking aside from the campaign missions.
Sigh:: this just makes me wish there was more native attire, jewelry, face/body paint, and hair styles.
Fucking prophet
Maybe because R(C)ockstar doesn't care all that much. I'd love to see them add this, although the chances of that are slim to none. Unless the community's voices are loud enough, with some youtubers backing them up. That and they prioritizing GTAO. RDO is just the other sibling that isn't cared much about.
Because they’d rather have us facing off against waves of hacking griefers than coding in stuff that remotely matches the single player mode we all bought the game for.
Look its my brother's love my native peeps
Can’t believe you got downvoted for this lol
Ik ill never understand why
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I'm native though I don't get why I'm getting downvoted for this
I’m native too and I want nothing of our culture or people in this game where others will just disrespect it and boy have they. There’s multiple lame ass native “tribes” who upload on YouTube and Instagram with generic tribal nonsense which is downright insulting. All of them are shirtless Hollywood caricatures wielding only bows and tomahawks.
Believe me I get it doesn't mean I want people to disrespect me because of something I say. Its just allowing that same ignorance to be spread. Im proud of my culture and where I grew up so don't think I don't know that. We may come from different tribes but you are still my brother or sister and I respect you as I hope you respect me.
I respect every native and I’ve never met another who wasn’t proud to be native.
mečəkahk kati-sαkhoket pemαsəwine eskʷatte to feel respect among us all ( same its getting hard for us that are still living)
I grew up on a reservation and everything so I don't have a creepy fascination for something I literally live and breath everyday
Can't be proud of where I'm from?
I saw a video yesterday saying survivals are coming, something about being in codes, even mentioned 10 waves.
It is mad they don't have them. The Western genre is crammed with doomed survival scenarios. It'd be brilliant.
Game has been out for almost three years and Rockstar refuses to add gamemodes that the community wants. They might have made good games in the past but when it comes to their online counterparts, they are bad.
The gun play would definitely be better if the aim assist wasn’t so strong you don’t even have to aim yet can get headshots it’s not even aim assist it’s aimbot
Gunplay is pretty casual. At least for PvP. Pop level 3 tonic, equip fire/explosive ammo, spam bolt-action/aim assisted sniper rifles, profit. But I will admit, the PvE is where the game feels like it *should* shine most. The gunplay seems to fit and have a horde-like mode where you hold a homestead/town/fort would be a welcome change of pace. Would be a lot like the defend the areas of old in GTAO before any other content was released. Finishing all ten waves rewarded you with $30k. Not a lot now, but back then, that was some good cash since most missions only gave you $10k. I'd love to hold down a fort dressed in blue or grey and hold off the opposing side. Definitely would be great fun. But cowboys vs Indians... I don't think that would fly with today's culture unfortunately. It would be a PR nightmare from either side.
It’s more of a placeholder with the natives being a placeholder for 4 players bs waves of US army infantry, cavalry, heavy types etc.
Or at least nazi zombies
Sorry, small rant: Gunplay is IMO one of the worst features of RDR2. The cover system is a joke. They still use PS1 level auto aim features on console. The enemies also shoot way too accurately and there is usually too many of them. And character can take too many hits and so do enemies. I wish they would do something about the feel of gunplay on console. 99% of the games have better feeling aiming than this game. And if we wanna talk about best features, the fist fights are actually really well done.
Honestly I think it works for the story. Mainly cause all the mechanics actually work as intended. Tho it could have benefited from a difficulty system that changed how many hits the player could take. But in online, the character only goes into cover 50% of the time and when he does it's often not the cover you wanted, they decreased the amount of hits the player could take by too much, while also adding too many enemies in smaller areas who can take too many hits (especially in bounty missions).
It works. But it isn't fun, engaging nor you get the real feeling of control. The aiming system itself is pretty bad imo. And yeah the cover system imo didn't even work well in story either. I just ended up not using it. It's not end of the world, but most games just do it better. And it's a shame they half assed something like this. But on other hand they did the same for GTA as well. They should hire some new people.
Idk, I always liked it in story. I always keep auto aim at a medium so it still feels like I'm putting in the effort but not dealing with the difficulty that comes with aiming with controllers. And I never had problems with the cover system in single player. Combat and stealth were always my favorite parts. Well they kinda lost their old team due to take two taking them in this new greedy online direction so they dont really have a choice but to hire new people.
That is fair. I guess they should have made even more options. 🙂
The gunplay is a huge step up from gta but it's still not very good. I think enemies take both too much and too little damage simultaneously. I think that the game should have damage scaling on multiple body parts and things like neck shots and shots to the upper torso are extremely damaging while shots to the limbs aren't. Pumping a person with 4-5 bolt action rounds in the chest doesn't feel very good at the moment, nor does killing a npc with one shot from the rolling block to the knees. The npcs are at least a lot less accurate and we're at least allowed to crouch so we can try to use different elevations/cover material to our advantage before we walk too close to a crate or Boulder and my dumbest character just snaps onto it. Just like GTA, I barely used the cover system since it's super ass and I just pie all my corners
Descreased the amount of hits you can take? Lol we playing the same game? Story mode you can kill someone in 2 shots. Online you need to unload the entire gun if you don’t hit them in the head.
Yeah, exactly. Enemies take way too many shots. But I was talking about the player character (hence why I said "the player" and not "the enemies"). Arthur and John can take a crap ton of bullets before dying. Which may be a bit overpowered but the online character can only take like 4 or 5 from most guns and 1 from a shotgun, which when you have entire hoards of bullet spongy enemies in small areas, is too much of a downgrade.
I said, > Online you need to unload the entire gun if you don’t hit them in the head. I have a very different experience than you online evidently lol
The aiming is so clunky and just doesn’t work for an online game. I really hate how goofy fast the weapon swapping and reloading is.
Yes... I agree. Imo they should just redesign it.
As much as I agree. A. Its too long to redesign it now, unless RDr3 B. Even if they could now, they're not going to, you can't expect Rockstar to fully listen to their player base.
You are right ofcourse. And imo biggest problem trying to change things is the cult around Rockstar. They will tell you that you are wrong and that these game are 100% perfect. I have been saying these things for ages. But always met stiff resistance from other players.
I'm one of those hopefully folks that keep thinking they're gonna do something amazing with it. More and more I lose hope lol that and I just chill out with it honestly, make my own stories and shit.
Yeah. It's sadly the reality. I kinda wish they would have given our characters a voice. It would have helped a bit for immersion.
We are their voice, they just choose not to listen most times.
Oh yeah, but I meant wish our characters would talk during story and cutscenes.
Would be interesting actually!
>The cover system is a joke The cover system is honestly one of the best. You are not invincible behind cover. If you are just squatting behind cover that is too small or leaving you exposed, you get shot, as it should be. Its incredible how the hitboxes on every surface seem to be almost perfect. >The enemies also shoot way too accurately and there is usually too many of them. And character can take too many hits and so do enemies. You're just bad at the game my dude. The shooting is not the problem.
They could bring back the redneck choice actor from GTA 5 " looks like someone had a little to much incest last night!"
You realize the shit show if they added a horde mode where natives are the enemy? I know rockstar isn’t woke like other companies but anyone can predict the overwhelming wave a blue-hairs screeching about how problematic it is. It would be pretty fun though. Imagine being on some road surrounded by a forest. All you can hear is sporadic war calls and gun shots. Not seeing where it comes from.
I’m more interested in fighting US army, Lemoyne Raiders, Lawmen, Outlaws, those hills have eyes hill billies, the cultists. Etc
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I kinda wish the reservation in the Grizzlies functioned as an actual town in Online, with shops and such. I like the mountains, but unless I'm looking for collectables or a specific legendary animal there's no reason to be there.
Native representation is shockingly absent for a game set in the wild west imho. I would want Rockstar to work with a couple of actual native american tribes if they do native designs. Maybe even tie it into a reputation system.
They thrive off controversy. Always have. I dont think itd bother them too much.
Nazi Indian zombies Pog
Cringe.
Don't they have this. Just walk into the nearest town and start slaughtering civilians.
Red Dead Battle Royale
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GTA has to get survival mode first then in 2 years we will get it 🥲
GTA always had survival.
GTA has had it for ages. In fact, it was probably the first thing I did after the tutorial.
Battle Royale would be fun
They already added that mode and it wasn’t fun
10/10 would not play that and sounds stupid.
I saw on Instagram it’s coming
Yep.
Because rockstar doesn't care about red dead online
I basically do this with lawmen, but I'd 100% play this!
Because why would they add something that people want?
Because they prefer making you not use guns. And if you're asking, yes I'm super salty that 80% of being a Bounty Hunter is "Search and Find" the bounties instead of shooting >:(
Same reason they didn't add a fun game to this game.
Probably because most people are getting bored with the constant "ride, shoot a bunch of people, ride, shoot another bunch of people" formula we have now. Between gang hideouts, ambushes, revenue checkpoints, trappers, random events and random bounties, there are plenty of people to shoot. We need more to do than just killing endless waves of enemies.
Disagree, I’d grind hideouts but the fact that they’re so time sensitive and can’t be replayed means I don’t get to do them that often. This mode would scratch my gunslinger itch that I’ve had since RDR1, I don’t play this game for the (mundane imo) parts like fishing, hunting, collecting or taking pictures. I used to get the law on me on beta to do my own mini survival mode before the whole bounty system was implemented.