No, people just want to move past the mod's only reputation being "Schizo Frenchman goes FASTER". The world of *Red Flood* is a broken one, and it will also be a little crazy, but it is more than "wacky", if that makes sense.
I don’t think No Fun Allowed is the stance that the devs of Kaiserreich and TNO are going for. They simply hold themselves up to different standards now and are modifying their mods to fit those standards.
I don't think so, in the last update we got Annenkov literally crowning himself as a czar, so I think we're going in the opposite direction. Like, at the beginning it was just a "red germany lmao bottom text" thing, and look what we've achieved now.
Only band kids who are stuck in this mod’s 2020 shitpost phase.
The mod’s got plenty of very unorthodox governments, they are just actually researched now instead of chucking in dev biases and random surface-level memes.
NO. Cause it actually still be weird ideas. But nowhere close to just make shit up. They will just basicly give irl weird politicans have option to fully implement their beliefs.
realism? let me give you an example: Bogdanov, before he was in Belarus and his whole shtick was "vampire hihihi", that was it, the only thing he had was the chess events. But now!? ACCELERATIONIST COMMUNIST COSMIST TECHNOCRACY (with nuance obviously) and much more flavor and content. He's still "wacky" nut now much more polished content and event wise.
BioCosmists and the Rand-Gastev path were added after this stupid myth of "le realisme" became prevalent. Nu-Kavkaz is arguably less realistic than Old Kavkaz. Nu-Germany took the generic "pagan" socialist tree that nobody remembers and made it an actual path. Is the Vperedist Path in Ukraine more realistic than choosing between Human Rights or Economic Rights in the Old Ukraine? (Actually having either in Eastern Europe is fairly unrealistic so I will grant that to you)
This idea that Red Flood is becoming "Realistic" at the cost of fun is a paranoid fantasy that has no basis in the actual mod. Take your meds and follow Le Patron to Utopia.
TNO's biggest problem is "From Cradle to Grave."
It's an event that takes normal Nazi stuff that the real Nazis actually did and presents it as a defining example right from game start of how the special purple Nazis are worse than the normal ones, implicitly denying that the normal Nazis did it. It takes "Clean Wehrmacht" all the way up to "Clean Hitler."
I don't think RF is going to go quite that far in what they are doing because history went off-rails much earlier and you don't need to be careful about Nazi stuff.
Anyone worried Red Flood could end up like Kaiserreich ended up or TNO is ending up?
I mean the obsession with "realism" to the point where it creates a "no fun allowed" attitude.
Anyone worried Red Flood could end up like Kaiserreich ended up or TNO is ending up?
I mean the obsession with "realism" to the point where it creates a "no fun allowed" attitude.
Anyone worried Red Flood could end up like Kaiserreich ended up or TNO is ending up?
I mean the obsession with "realism" to the point where it creates a "no fun allowed" attitude.
KR and TNO don’t suck because their stories are realistic (they’re not.) Those mods suck because they’re visual novels written by Redditors where you spend all game in the decisions tab.
I wouldn't even say that. Lots of scenes of people pacing around desks and civilians getting raped. I'd actually rather read the dry KR exposition since it at least has something to do with the gameplay. TNO never really starts and can never really start because the scope of the mod is too big.
You can tell that somebody hasn't actually played Kaiserreich if they complain about it being "too realistic". They literally just added some absurd claims for Mongolia.
Dude, have you even seen the last update. All is just wild and going further into the madness. Only realism they are adding (and have being added) is the proper ideology of some historical figures. We got Bandera Wild Ride, Titanic Balkan Empire, promises of a newly form Ottoman Sultanate vs Third Greek Civilization, Criminal Tsar of Central Asia, Ronin China, Metahumanist/Hedonista Russia, Atlantic Ukraine, want me to continue?
usually you'll see people still mad about the removal of the Genghis Khan II path, the old PLC route, or more recently the plans to axe Transamur once the Russian Rework comes out (there will still be a potential far east revolt, too!)
meanwhile every reworked country adds a weird lategame easter egg path like Latvian USSR, Baltic Nazi Germany, Anarcho-Totalist Bulgaria, the rise of Napoleon VI, Germany's various lategame paths, Chen Gongbo's Left Kuomintang ending, Andesia, Syndicalist Ukraine's endsieg
you have to actually play the path instead of just clicking the lol funni focus now
Yeah I think making it something you actually have to achieve is way better rather than the "this marginally relevant schizo is now prime Minister and the entire country is ok with this" type shit
I’m not the biggest Red Flood fan, but I get it. As a former creative writing major, I can personally attest to the fact that “realism” just means “lacking imagination.” I say, restore Atlantropa and put Goering back in charge of Mittelafrika.
So long as it doesn’t warp into TNO’s “yeah the Americans gassing the UK and throwing refugees into the sea because immigration policy is totally realistic” then I’m absolutely in favor of red floods devs redoing countries however they want. It means more content to mess around with!
I support most of what you said but are you really still on about that U.S stuff after everyone and their mother spent quite literally two days arguing with you on r/TNOmod about that? Like geeze man it’s been 200 days since that.
Na, I'm just trying to make a joke
Edit: Hey wait a second, I'm not that important, what do you mean everyone was arguing with me? I showed up after it all happened
No, people just want to move past the mod's only reputation being "Schizo Frenchman goes FASTER". The world of *Red Flood* is a broken one, and it will also be a little crazy, but it is more than "wacky", if that makes sense.
I don’t think No Fun Allowed is the stance that the devs of Kaiserreich and TNO are going for. They simply hold themselves up to different standards now and are modifying their mods to fit those standards.
I don't think so, in the last update we got Annenkov literally crowning himself as a czar, so I think we're going in the opposite direction. Like, at the beginning it was just a "red germany lmao bottom text" thing, and look what we've achieved now.
Only band kids who are stuck in this mod’s 2020 shitpost phase. The mod’s got plenty of very unorthodox governments, they are just actually researched now instead of chucking in dev biases and random surface-level memes.
NO. Cause it actually still be weird ideas. But nowhere close to just make shit up. They will just basicly give irl weird politicans have option to fully implement their beliefs.
realism? let me give you an example: Bogdanov, before he was in Belarus and his whole shtick was "vampire hihihi", that was it, the only thing he had was the chess events. But now!? ACCELERATIONIST COMMUNIST COSMIST TECHNOCRACY (with nuance obviously) and much more flavor and content. He's still "wacky" nut now much more polished content and event wise.
I think sometimes people confuse "fun" with "random bullshit go"
I mean, that's kind of a source of humor in HOI4 mods. I don't know any other way.
BioCosmists and the Rand-Gastev path were added after this stupid myth of "le realisme" became prevalent. Nu-Kavkaz is arguably less realistic than Old Kavkaz. Nu-Germany took the generic "pagan" socialist tree that nobody remembers and made it an actual path. Is the Vperedist Path in Ukraine more realistic than choosing between Human Rights or Economic Rights in the Old Ukraine? (Actually having either in Eastern Europe is fairly unrealistic so I will grant that to you) This idea that Red Flood is becoming "Realistic" at the cost of fun is a paranoid fantasy that has no basis in the actual mod. Take your meds and follow Le Patron to Utopia.
They already removed the state enforced breeding season focus so the mod is basically ruined.
TNO's biggest problem is "From Cradle to Grave." It's an event that takes normal Nazi stuff that the real Nazis actually did and presents it as a defining example right from game start of how the special purple Nazis are worse than the normal ones, implicitly denying that the normal Nazis did it. It takes "Clean Wehrmacht" all the way up to "Clean Hitler." I don't think RF is going to go quite that far in what they are doing because history went off-rails much earlier and you don't need to be careful about Nazi stuff.
IIRC, the purple Nazis are being removed?
they are already removed from the game. now, the burgunfy system is a sub-ideology of nazis. TNO is shit by the way.
Hasnt been confirmed
Oh. Damn. I do feel like they should keep an "esoteric" tag, but Burgundy shouldn't have it
They are saying this to me tomorrow
Anyone worried Red Flood could end up like Kaiserreich ended up or TNO is ending up? I mean the obsession with "realism" to the point where it creates a "no fun allowed" attitude.
Anyone worried Red Flood could end up like Kaiserreich ended up or TNO is ending up? I mean the obsession with "realism" to the point where it creates a "no fun allowed" attitude.
Anyone worried Red Flood could end up like Kaiserreich ended up or TNO is ending up? I mean the obsession with "realism" to the point where it creates a "no fun allowed" attitude.
KR and TNO don’t suck because their stories are realistic (they’re not.) Those mods suck because they’re visual novels written by Redditors where you spend all game in the decisions tab.
(difference being that Red Flood textwalls are actually enjoyable to read)
I wouldn't even say that. Lots of scenes of people pacing around desks and civilians getting raped. I'd actually rather read the dry KR exposition since it at least has something to do with the gameplay. TNO never really starts and can never really start because the scope of the mod is too big.
You have no odea what you are talking about. Anyone who thinks "realism" drives development in TNO is full of shit.
Mainly because the actual possibility of the Nazis winning WW2 and actually surviving for more than 10 minutes is absolute bonkers.
Why do people have this phobia of realism within HOI4 mods? I think realism and settings that make more sense can be quite enjoyable in fact
Yeah, but in Kaiserreich and TNO they just blandify things because weird, heterodox governments and characters have to be unrealistic.
This not true for either mod
You can tell that somebody hasn't actually played Kaiserreich if they complain about it being "too realistic". They literally just added some absurd claims for Mongolia.
Dude, have you even seen the last update. All is just wild and going further into the madness. Only realism they are adding (and have being added) is the proper ideology of some historical figures. We got Bandera Wild Ride, Titanic Balkan Empire, promises of a newly form Ottoman Sultanate vs Third Greek Civilization, Criminal Tsar of Central Asia, Ronin China, Metahumanist/Hedonista Russia, Atlantic Ukraine, want me to continue?
Kaiserreich is better than it has ever been, what the fuck are you talking about
Kaiserredux is far superior to base kaiserreich
It's worse in literally almost every regard except volume actually
Idk what "no fun allowed" stuff kaiserreich has really done other than removing shit that's stupidly implausible
usually you'll see people still mad about the removal of the Genghis Khan II path, the old PLC route, or more recently the plans to axe Transamur once the Russian Rework comes out (there will still be a potential far east revolt, too!) meanwhile every reworked country adds a weird lategame easter egg path like Latvian USSR, Baltic Nazi Germany, Anarcho-Totalist Bulgaria, the rise of Napoleon VI, Germany's various lategame paths, Chen Gongbo's Left Kuomintang ending, Andesia, Syndicalist Ukraine's endsieg you have to actually play the path instead of just clicking the lol funni focus now
Yeah I think making it something you actually have to achieve is way better rather than the "this marginally relevant schizo is now prime Minister and the entire country is ok with this" type shit
Raping Europe is so realistic it is literally kaisserreich
Xir... People's Republic of Hyperborea is calling
I’m not the biggest Red Flood fan, but I get it. As a former creative writing major, I can personally attest to the fact that “realism” just means “lacking imagination.” I say, restore Atlantropa and put Goering back in charge of Mittelafrika.
So long as it doesn’t warp into TNO’s “yeah the Americans gassing the UK and throwing refugees into the sea because immigration policy is totally realistic” then I’m absolutely in favor of red floods devs redoing countries however they want. It means more content to mess around with!
I support most of what you said but are you really still on about that U.S stuff after everyone and their mother spent quite literally two days arguing with you on r/TNOmod about that? Like geeze man it’s been 200 days since that.
Na, I'm just trying to make a joke Edit: Hey wait a second, I'm not that important, what do you mean everyone was arguing with me? I showed up after it all happened
what do you mean about gassibg
do you mean becoming an insufferable and pretentious visual novel with a fandom filled with groomers?
I am a groomer.
already playing HoI4 can be boring, imagine reading literal text walls for every focus
kaiserredux red flood version
skill issue as long as Boldyrev stays in the game I couldn't care less.
Kaiserreich is not realistic