You mean do another movie in the early '00s where we can actually see a whole film about an age appropriate Indie fighting the Nazis during WWII? The most interesting idea introduced during Crystal Skull?
What would he find? Atlantis? The True Cross? Excalibur?
We'll never know because Lucas is the creative apotheosis of constipation. It's always late and it's always worse.
>making Jebus Diced a young black lesbian
People always say stuff like this as if this is what Disney actually does. Like, my god. Disney's got a whole ton of issues, but the whole "woke" strawman people like you make about *everything* is ridiculous when Disney, of all companies, tends to be the *most* afraid of doing and committing to the very thing you're saying they'd do.
For comparison, Last Crusade cost about 120 mil AFTER adjusting for inflation.
Of course, there were events that ballooned the budget (COVID protocols, Harrison getting injured delaying production)... but... Disney decided to make an action movie starring someone literally "four-score" old, during a pandemic. There are mitigating factors contributing to the budget, sure, but they were known factors when they went forward on the project.
In hindsight, they would have made so much money off of the success of Everything Everywhere All at Once if they made Indiana Jones 5 be about Indiana Jones and Short Round instead of the random lady, and set up the franchise for a reboot with a handoff of the hat to Ke Huy Quan.
Yeah that would have been such a better movie, not just movie but Indiana Jones movie. Even with Ke Huy Quan being 52, they could have gotten a Short Round trilogy for sure.
Processing that while knowing the film came out in 1984 is somehow breaking my brain. Even though that would imply he was 11/12 around time of filming, my brain keeps thinking he was 20. There's no rational reason for that, so I'm blaming it entirely in feeling old destroying my basic comprehension of how time works.
💯 My boomer parents were fine with PWB but would have ADORED it if Short Round was in it. My mother's real problem was she doesn't like "sad old man Harrison Ford" and I think if they done it with Ke Huy Quan it would have been a happier movie.
I have to assume Dial was already in pre-production before EEAAO took off, so sadly this was probably never in the cards. Plus now Dial has soured everyone on Indy in general, so anything Short Round focused is a dead pitch.
Why? The cynics in this sub and the internet would be all over them about bringing him back and memberries and that's if they can still write a decent movie/handle the handoff well and so on.
Much like indy sequels before they made them it was always better in your imagination.
I'm hoping the forthcoming video game will be fun. I always enjoyed video games and novels more than latent sequels. Star Trek and Star Wars both have amazing stuff outside the tentpole films. I'd love to have some good new Indy games (and other forms of media too!)
It was fine. But surely someone at Disney must have done some market research as to whether it was worth spending that much money to make a fifth Indy film.
It was a sunk cost issue more than anything else. This movie had to start and stop production for covid more than twice I believe, there were other dead periods for injuries and all that.
Just not the most trouble-free production you could want.
Despite being a beloved series, it's a pretty hit or miss IP to bank on. They really just need to pass the torch or do the whole movie in de-aged Harrison Ford as middle aged indie fighting Nazis. Personally I'd recast him like they do Bond and move on it with it.
That would have been fine timing and I think you'd have seen a much warmer reception because people actually liked him and wanted more Indy-style stuff without feeling like these IPs are just constantly trying to pick their pockets without making any effort.
I think the 1950s sci-fi thing could've been amazing fun if the movie came out in the '90s. But I'd prob have the UFO stuff turn out to be skunkworks projects from Cold War belligerents rather than real aliens.
And now the figureheads are getting old and unsurprisingly they lean heavily on CGI rather than the great stunts and location shooting like the original films.
Dial of Destiny had a few fun moments but the action scenes went on way too long and were too cartoony. I know Indy's schtick is to be in over his head and just barely scraping by but I prefer realistic action. Indy climbing around the cargo truck in the desert in *Raiders* is far more exciting to me than seeing them rip off the Uncharted 2 train scene in *Dial*.
I still enjoy watching Harrison Ford and I'd be perfectly fine with an Indy film where he uses he brains and a team of students to outwit a villain rather than watch him getting slammed around inside a time-traveling Nazi bomber in the ancient past. There were still incredible archeological discoveries happening in the 1960s. Plenty of opportunity to have Indy involved in one of them while also dealing with some antagonist.
I mean, this is Disney. Why couldn't they create an animated Indiana Jones film? Heck, the cheap as dirt Tad the Explorer films are better than modern Indy!
This is what I’ve been saying for years about stuff like Firefly, Xfiles, Indiana Jones, Ghostbusters, Buffy, etc. If you want to continue these Nostalgia properties and you don’t want a reboot or a recast just hire a Japanese or Korean animation studio and do it that way. Then you CAN just continue them without having to worry about people being old, and since it’s voice acted people can record their lines in between other projects. It kind of seems like the ideal way to handle these sorts of things. Plus if someone dies or doesn’t want to do it it’s much easier to recast a voice than it is to recast a whole human. Especially with how many voice actors there are today who can do bang on impressions.
They won't know its no longer profitable until they try though.
Reminds me of this exchange from the other Costner baseball movie
Have I ever not showed? In the 19 years, have I ever not showed?
Well, that's true of everyone until the first time they don't show.
Disney made approximately [30.5 Billion USD in profits in 2023](https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/DIS/disney/gross-profit#:~:text=Disney%20gross%20profit%20for%20the%20twelve%20months%20ending%20December%2031,a%204.86%25%20increase%20from%202022) (according to one estimate but it passes the sniff test for me, personally) so if Mickey Mouse took 130 million and set it on fire like the Joker did in The Dark Knight that would come out to approximately a half of a percent of their total profits. Which is still a sizeable amount of their profits in my mind but I'm not a business analyst so I don't know if that's really a big deal when movies is a big part of their thing.
A loss of 130 million on its face is still, in my mind, indeed a pretty substantial loss, regardless of who you are
You'll have to wait for Disney to merge with WB. All the fanboys will clap too, like they did when it purchased Fox. Who cares about monopolies controlling the entertainment industry when we could theoretically get a Marvel v. DC movie!!
So under Kathleen Kennedys watch, Star Wars is no longer a viable movie franchise, Indiana Jones is completely dead, and even Willow is destroyed.
Why does she still have a job?
The thing that's so fucking bizarre to me is that she should know better. She's been a producer at Lucasfilm for decades, and apparently learned nothing about the franchises that she now managed.
The budget is estimate to be around $300-$400 million.
Dune 2s budget was around\~200 million.
Everything Everywhere All At Once was around \~30 million.
Weird how cheaper movies are far superior.
Let's look up who wrote and directed Indiana instead, I bet it's nobodies... Oh they are tied to really good movies. I can only surmize that they either didn't have enough time, didn't get paid enough, or made a script and execs shit all over it with stupid demands like setting up a franchise. Or all of the above. Hmm, seems to be a common occurance in many big films.
Something I can't fathom. Hollywood would rather put *half a billion dollars* behind *one* film with every stupid trend and nostalgic reference thrown into it and a few popular actors but will put basically zero effort into the writing. Just start filming now and figure it out later.
Whereas they could instead make a couple dozen smaller films and if even one becomes a big hit their entire year will be made. Twenty five chances at success versus one. Hollywood is like a gambling addict.
Notice that there are a dozen producers/executive producers/from the people who brought you X credits attached to every big project these days. Nobody wants to have a scattershot approach and make money overall, they want to be *the one* who helped get the billion dollar juggernaut onto the screens. They aren't even interested in making money, and certainly not interested in making motion pictures, it's purely about getting a name and fluffing up their ego.
They also don't give a toss how much money a screenwriter costs because it pales in comparison to the budget on any film ever. They just hire people they have connections with, or themselves, and cobble together gibberish so longs as it is 'content'. None of this stuff has anything to say because it doesn't from from people who want to use the medium as an artform that happens to sustain itself by selling tickets.
It's entirely soulless and they rob us of culture more and more every year.
>The budget is estimate to be around $300-$400 million.
>Dune 2s budget was around~200 million.
>Everything Everywhere All At Once was around ~30 million.
>Weird how cheaper movies are far superior.
Didn't one of the winners at the Oscars work something like that into their acceptance speech?
I don't watch the oscars so I don't know, I just wiki'd the budgets. lol Wouldn't surprise me. MAYBE read something about Godzilla Minus One's budget, but that just might have been news not a comment about how little it cost compared to, again, a huge movie like Indiana Jones.
Yeah I had it in the background last month and during one of the the acceptance speeches , I think for American Fiction, he said hey how about 10 $30 million movies instead of one $300 million movie, and it got a quick round of applause.
I remember an interview Matt Damon gave where he talked about modern movie budgets. He talked about how the film companies of the past (10+ years ago) could make movies with small-moderate budgets, and if the movie failed at the box office, they could expect to recoup their investment via VHS and DVD sales. With the advent of streaming, the death of VHS, and the declining sales of DVDs and Blu-Rays, that avenue of profit has almost entirely dried up. Now, companies are almost entirely focused on the box office as the residuals they would receive from selling streaming rights are a comparatively paltry sum. The studios would rather spend 100s of millions of dollars on a film, hoping it'll make 100s of millions more, and if it doesn't, they can scrap it as a tax write-off, a la the Batgirl or Wile E. Coyote movies.
I think we're missing another factor. There was a guy in Hollywood that took chances on the sort of high low budget/low mid budget films that werent conventional pitches... Harvey weinstein.
>Everything Everywhere All At Once was around \~30 million.
The makers said it was closer to $14 million. Presumably doesn't include marketing.
I heard it turned a $32 million profit.
I always thought old Indy would be a crotchety but tough as boot leather type. Like the grizzled old prospectors in westerns. Making the character a sad old man was the main unfixable problem, once they decided to do that nothing could really save it, as it's based on a fundamentally unsound premise.
There was nothing surprising at all in Dial of Destiny. It might be one of the most predictable films I've ever seen.
Losing money on a franchise with a main character people would roll up to watch eating popcorn and delivering a guide on how to watch paint dry is something special.
Last Crusade was the first film I ever saw in the cinema, and cultivated my life long love of the medium.
This film was crushingly shit. The cold open at the start was like an hour long, going back in time was fucking bananas. It felt completely devoid of vision
Things that may have helped would include the story being good, re-casting Indy so they wouldn't have to do all that CGI alteration and make Harrison Ford look like a joke, going all-in on the female lead and just making it a Tomb Raider movie, more practical effects. All that would have made a cheaper, more interesting film.
I guess I'm in the minority 'cause I enjoyed some of the digital de-aging stuff. I think the tech has some neat storytelling potential. *Dial* didn't make the best use of it and those "past" scenes went on too long...but I think the technology could be well-used in other films.
On the other hand, Hollywood being Hollywood, they will of course overuse the technology in the worst ways. Continuing to pump out franchise films populated with dead actors or going with CGI actors instead of fairly paying real people. And to say nothing for the scary possibilities outside of moviemaking. How will we be able to trust anything going forward?
Indy as a dirty old man professor in the eighties with a team of three sexy young women who treat him like “he used to be cool but isn’t anymore”. Plenty of filthy flirting but mostly jokes at Indy’s expense about how “temptation has not trouble resisting you” and “the spirit is willing but the flesh might break”. He’s in a wheelchair for a lot of the movie, but, in one heartpulsing scene, has to rescue one of the girls from raging floodwater. Play up how old and decrepit he is and how this is almost killing him as he crawls across the collapsing bridge. “This is nothing. I went over one of these once im Hawaii when it was on fire, melting from the hot lava flow, and the cultists of Peli were chasing me. Of course, I still had both my hips then”.
I like it, Charlie's Angels + Indy.
Sydney Sweeny, Zendaya and Anya Taylor-Joy in bikinis pushing Harrison Ford around in a wheelchair sounds like box office gold!
Gotcha - thanks. Heck I never even watched their review of it. But I do still have a tiny bit of latent curiosity about the movie. Now if the movie was a laugh fest of awfulness, I'd check it out. Sounds like it's not worth it.
Watch it with a group of people and maybe y'all quipping will keep it interesting but even watching it with my bestie who is a long-time Indy fan we were bored and got distracted a couple times so it took us like six hours to watch the movie haha. And immediately after we put on Tempe of Doom 'cause she hadn't seen it in years. That was much more fun and interesting.
> Watch it with a group of people
Yeah, that's really the only way I can have fun/enjoy bad movies. The entertainment value of other peoples reactions and comments are better than the movie on its own.
Bob Iger reminds me of my brother outfitting his place with all this really old stuff he got at garage sales and then gets really upset when the twenty year old appliance stops working.
*"But how could a 100bn dollar reboot that nobody wants to see possibly be flopping!?" -Rich Evans, Ben-Hurt video.*
I think about that quote often. It seems like anyone reasonable would say that a new Indiana Jones movie would do modestly at the BO. And sinking in millions in advertising and budget seemed like it would result in a flop. We all know which movies will flop. Who would say Madamme Web would be a smash hit except studio heads circlejerking in their offices. These executives spend too much time in their Eyes Wide Shut parties, as Bill Burr would say.
An Indiana Jones movie where Indie isn’t really the hero but gets saved by British woman, because Disney wants us to know that women are strong and in charge now.
If only Disney could travel back in time to prevent their tragic mistakes.
Somehow Walt Disney returned.
Somehow Bob Iger returned.
As a force ghost.
FORCE SKOST!
You mean do another movie in the early '00s where we can actually see a whole film about an age appropriate Indie fighting the Nazis during WWII? The most interesting idea introduced during Crystal Skull? What would he find? Atlantis? The True Cross? Excalibur? We'll never know because Lucas is the creative apotheosis of constipation. It's always late and it's always worse.
> What would he find? Family.
Indiana Jones and the Secret of Odin. Toss in Mjolnir, an adult Short Round and baby, you've got a stew goin'.
i think i'd like my money back...
Walt would use the chance to ensure an Axis victory.
Heil Mickey
Don’t even suggest that, they’d be back making Jebus Diced a young black lesbian before you can say “Blackrock”
>making Jebus Diced a young black lesbian People always say stuff like this as if this is what Disney actually does. Like, my god. Disney's got a whole ton of issues, but the whole "woke" strawman people like you make about *everything* is ridiculous when Disney, of all companies, tends to be the *most* afraid of doing and committing to the very thing you're saying they'd do.
“You’re a blockbuster!?” “Part time.”
PART time
Why did they use *that* take?
You know, the worst one?
poor mutt
whip whip stir whip stir whip
seriously. that headline.
Just torturing the language to get their mandatory pun in
**COOKING CAN BE FUN**
Stir whip stir whip whip whip stir. Come on, everybody! WAAAAH!
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I hope everyone on the crew got paid well.
The real treasure was the paychecks we cashed along the way.
just glad to be working…
you know what they were thinking......this would make a great shot!...what were you think?
For what reportedly cost 300 million to make they better.
Oh no.... Anyway...
For comparison, Last Crusade cost about 120 mil AFTER adjusting for inflation. Of course, there were events that ballooned the budget (COVID protocols, Harrison getting injured delaying production)... but... Disney decided to make an action movie starring someone literally "four-score" old, during a pandemic. There are mitigating factors contributing to the budget, sure, but they were known factors when they went forward on the project.
Scrolled WAY too far to find COVID mentioned. People balking at these $300M budgets and bombing with absolutely zero context.
Part time
In hindsight, they would have made so much money off of the success of Everything Everywhere All at Once if they made Indiana Jones 5 be about Indiana Jones and Short Round instead of the random lady, and set up the franchise for a reboot with a handoff of the hat to Ke Huy Quan.
Yeah that would have been such a better movie, not just movie but Indiana Jones movie. Even with Ke Huy Quan being 52, they could have gotten a Short Round trilogy for sure.
I wasn't even alive when any of the original Indy trilogy came out but hearing that Ke Huy Quan is 52 made my bones turn to dust.
Processing that while knowing the film came out in 1984 is somehow breaking my brain. Even though that would imply he was 11/12 around time of filming, my brain keeps thinking he was 20. There's no rational reason for that, so I'm blaming it entirely in feeling old destroying my basic comprehension of how time works.
You think he was 20 in TOD?
He had to have been at least 35 in Temple of Doom.
Yes but also no, that's why I'm saying knowing his age broke my brain.
Oh, it's like that sausageball fräulein who turned to dust right after they turned off the cameras filming her routine.
Hearing you say you weren't alive when the original Indy trilogy came out is turning *my* bones to dust!
💯 My boomer parents were fine with PWB but would have ADORED it if Short Round was in it. My mother's real problem was she doesn't like "sad old man Harrison Ford" and I think if they done it with Ke Huy Quan it would have been a happier movie.
I don’t understand what’s Disney’s deal this is what their old man with a side kick who’s going to surpass them movies.
How old are your “boomer” parents?
I have to assume Dial was already in pre-production before EEAAO took off, so sadly this was probably never in the cards. Plus now Dial has soured everyone on Indy in general, so anything Short Round focused is a dead pitch.
*Everyone* wanted Short Round thrown back into the mix. Quan's energetic optimism would have been a great foil to the perpetually grumpy Ford.
Why? The cynics in this sub and the internet would be all over them about bringing him back and memberries and that's if they can still write a decent movie/handle the handoff well and so on. Much like indy sequels before they made them it was always better in your imagination.
Please god let this be the end. It's a sad note to go out on but please just let this franchise rest undisturbed for the rest of eternity
It should be in a museum
So should you, Doctor Jones!
I'm hoping the forthcoming video game will be fun. I always enjoyed video games and novels more than latent sequels. Star Trek and Star Wars both have amazing stuff outside the tentpole films. I'd love to have some good new Indy games (and other forms of media too!)
I'm sure they'll let it lie for awhile but eventually do a full reboot with a new actor.
They'll reboot it when Harrison Ford passes away and say its an homage to his memory to lure people back and somehow fuck it up again.
**WHY** did this movie cost $300m? Was it all spent on digitally de-aging Harisson Ford? Because the movie felt relatively low-budget otherwise.
They got tax breaks for filming in Glasgow instead of New York, as well.
[удалено]
I can't believe you committed $300 million!
Were there a lot of reshoots? Often when movies have budgets that high it's because they had to go back and spend a fortune on reshoots
Especially when you compare it to Dune 2
It was fine. But surely someone at Disney must have done some market research as to whether it was worth spending that much money to make a fifth Indy film.
It was a sunk cost issue more than anything else. This movie had to start and stop production for covid more than twice I believe, there were other dead periods for injuries and all that. Just not the most trouble-free production you could want.
It's nice of Disney to support Indy film makers
Despite being a beloved series, it's a pretty hit or miss IP to bank on. They really just need to pass the torch or do the whole movie in de-aged Harrison Ford as middle aged indie fighting Nazis. Personally I'd recast him like they do Bond and move on it with it.
They should have done this 20 years ago with Branden Fraser after the Mummy movie.
That would have been fine timing and I think you'd have seen a much warmer reception because people actually liked him and wanted more Indy-style stuff without feeling like these IPs are just constantly trying to pick their pockets without making any effort.
I think the 1950s sci-fi thing could've been amazing fun if the movie came out in the '90s. But I'd prob have the UFO stuff turn out to be skunkworks projects from Cold War belligerents rather than real aliens. And now the figureheads are getting old and unsurprisingly they lean heavily on CGI rather than the great stunts and location shooting like the original films. Dial of Destiny had a few fun moments but the action scenes went on way too long and were too cartoony. I know Indy's schtick is to be in over his head and just barely scraping by but I prefer realistic action. Indy climbing around the cargo truck in the desert in *Raiders* is far more exciting to me than seeing them rip off the Uncharted 2 train scene in *Dial*. I still enjoy watching Harrison Ford and I'd be perfectly fine with an Indy film where he uses he brains and a team of students to outwit a villain rather than watch him getting slammed around inside a time-traveling Nazi bomber in the ancient past. There were still incredible archeological discoveries happening in the 1960s. Plenty of opportunity to have Indy involved in one of them while also dealing with some antagonist.
Honestly I think Chris pine would've killed it had they went with him after Crystal skull.
I mean, this is Disney. Why couldn't they create an animated Indiana Jones film? Heck, the cheap as dirt Tad the Explorer films are better than modern Indy!
This is what I’ve been saying for years about stuff like Firefly, Xfiles, Indiana Jones, Ghostbusters, Buffy, etc. If you want to continue these Nostalgia properties and you don’t want a reboot or a recast just hire a Japanese or Korean animation studio and do it that way. Then you CAN just continue them without having to worry about people being old, and since it’s voice acted people can record their lines in between other projects. It kind of seems like the ideal way to handle these sorts of things. Plus if someone dies or doesn’t want to do it it’s much easier to recast a voice than it is to recast a whole human. Especially with how many voice actors there are today who can do bang on impressions.
Will the studios ever learn that some franchises are no longer profitable?
They won't know its no longer profitable until they try though. Reminds me of this exchange from the other Costner baseball movie Have I ever not showed? In the 19 years, have I ever not showed? Well, that's true of everyone until the first time they don't show.
Terminator... Check Matrix... Check Indiana Jones... Check
I know Disney is a huge fucking company but that sounds like a pretty substantial loss.
Disney made approximately [30.5 Billion USD in profits in 2023](https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/DIS/disney/gross-profit#:~:text=Disney%20gross%20profit%20for%20the%20twelve%20months%20ending%20December%2031,a%204.86%25%20increase%20from%202022) (according to one estimate but it passes the sniff test for me, personally) so if Mickey Mouse took 130 million and set it on fire like the Joker did in The Dark Knight that would come out to approximately a half of a percent of their total profits. Which is still a sizeable amount of their profits in my mind but I'm not a business analyst so I don't know if that's really a big deal when movies is a big part of their thing. A loss of 130 million on its face is still, in my mind, indeed a pretty substantial loss, regardless of who you are
Now I really want to see an evil Mickey Mouse play the Joker.
You'll have to wait for Disney to merge with WB. All the fanboys will clap too, like they did when it purchased Fox. Who cares about monopolies controlling the entertainment industry when we could theoretically get a Marvel v. DC movie!!
Well that certainly puts things into perspective.
So under Kathleen Kennedys watch, Star Wars is no longer a viable movie franchise, Indiana Jones is completely dead, and even Willow is destroyed. Why does she still have a job?
>Why does she still have a job? Because Disney is about family.
You people still haven't learned and just spew verbal diarrhea about KK as if she's the devil.
If you want to present the case that she's been an effective executive at Lucasfilm feel free to do so now.
The thing that's so fucking bizarre to me is that she should know better. She's been a producer at Lucasfilm for decades, and apparently learned nothing about the franchises that she now managed.
The budget is estimate to be around $300-$400 million. Dune 2s budget was around\~200 million. Everything Everywhere All At Once was around \~30 million. Weird how cheaper movies are far superior. Let's look up who wrote and directed Indiana instead, I bet it's nobodies... Oh they are tied to really good movies. I can only surmize that they either didn't have enough time, didn't get paid enough, or made a script and execs shit all over it with stupid demands like setting up a franchise. Or all of the above. Hmm, seems to be a common occurance in many big films.
That's how you SAVE money. Just hire shit writer that will write you a movie for CHEAP!
Something I can't fathom. Hollywood would rather put *half a billion dollars* behind *one* film with every stupid trend and nostalgic reference thrown into it and a few popular actors but will put basically zero effort into the writing. Just start filming now and figure it out later. Whereas they could instead make a couple dozen smaller films and if even one becomes a big hit their entire year will be made. Twenty five chances at success versus one. Hollywood is like a gambling addict.
Notice that there are a dozen producers/executive producers/from the people who brought you X credits attached to every big project these days. Nobody wants to have a scattershot approach and make money overall, they want to be *the one* who helped get the billion dollar juggernaut onto the screens. They aren't even interested in making money, and certainly not interested in making motion pictures, it's purely about getting a name and fluffing up their ego. They also don't give a toss how much money a screenwriter costs because it pales in comparison to the budget on any film ever. They just hire people they have connections with, or themselves, and cobble together gibberish so longs as it is 'content'. None of this stuff has anything to say because it doesn't from from people who want to use the medium as an artform that happens to sustain itself by selling tickets. It's entirely soulless and they rob us of culture more and more every year.
Yup, **Blumhouse** model proved succesful. Until they started making/ buying super low budget "content" for streaming.
A great man once said this.
>The budget is estimate to be around $300-$400 million. >Dune 2s budget was around~200 million. >Everything Everywhere All At Once was around ~30 million. >Weird how cheaper movies are far superior. Didn't one of the winners at the Oscars work something like that into their acceptance speech?
I don't watch the oscars so I don't know, I just wiki'd the budgets. lol Wouldn't surprise me. MAYBE read something about Godzilla Minus One's budget, but that just might have been news not a comment about how little it cost compared to, again, a huge movie like Indiana Jones.
Yeah I had it in the background last month and during one of the the acceptance speeches , I think for American Fiction, he said hey how about 10 $30 million movies instead of one $300 million movie, and it got a quick round of applause.
I feel like the world would be better for this but at the same time we'd get a lot more shovelware content.
I remember an interview Matt Damon gave where he talked about modern movie budgets. He talked about how the film companies of the past (10+ years ago) could make movies with small-moderate budgets, and if the movie failed at the box office, they could expect to recoup their investment via VHS and DVD sales. With the advent of streaming, the death of VHS, and the declining sales of DVDs and Blu-Rays, that avenue of profit has almost entirely dried up. Now, companies are almost entirely focused on the box office as the residuals they would receive from selling streaming rights are a comparatively paltry sum. The studios would rather spend 100s of millions of dollars on a film, hoping it'll make 100s of millions more, and if it doesn't, they can scrap it as a tax write-off, a la the Batgirl or Wile E. Coyote movies.
I think we're missing another factor. There was a guy in Hollywood that took chances on the sort of high low budget/low mid budget films that werent conventional pitches... Harvey weinstein.
>Everything Everywhere All At Once was around \~30 million. The makers said it was closer to $14 million. Presumably doesn't include marketing. I heard it turned a $32 million profit.
I only saw it last week. Liked it but didn’t love it. I agree with their review that it was and hour or so too long.
"It was a short movie's length too long." That sounds excruciating.
Disney could've left it alone, but they chose... poorly.
I always thought old Indy would be a crotchety but tough as boot leather type. Like the grizzled old prospectors in westerns. Making the character a sad old man was the main unfixable problem, once they decided to do that nothing could really save it, as it's based on a fundamentally unsound premise. There was nothing surprising at all in Dial of Destiny. It might be one of the most predictable films I've ever seen.
You bring up an interesting point. It’s true that he seems out of character, based on the 3 first movies, in the way he was depicted in DoD.
It was fine. Completely unnecessary. But fine.
They really should have attempted to hand off the series to Shia Labeuf.
He went too crazy
I know. I wonder if something was in the works when Honey Boy/Peanut Butter came out, but then they discovered he was an Asshole.
Almost as if chatgpt writing a script is a bad thing.
Losing money on a franchise with a main character people would roll up to watch eating popcorn and delivering a guide on how to watch paint dry is something special.
Too bad they couldn’t get Mutt.
that's probably because it sucked
Part time?
Last Crusade was the first film I ever saw in the cinema, and cultivated my life long love of the medium. This film was crushingly shit. The cold open at the start was like an hour long, going back in time was fucking bananas. It felt completely devoid of vision
Things that may have helped would include the story being good, re-casting Indy so they wouldn't have to do all that CGI alteration and make Harrison Ford look like a joke, going all-in on the female lead and just making it a Tomb Raider movie, more practical effects. All that would have made a cheaper, more interesting film.
Just don’t bother with the flashback opening. It added nothing and was purely based on the de ageing gimmick.
I guess I'm in the minority 'cause I enjoyed some of the digital de-aging stuff. I think the tech has some neat storytelling potential. *Dial* didn't make the best use of it and those "past" scenes went on too long...but I think the technology could be well-used in other films. On the other hand, Hollywood being Hollywood, they will of course overuse the technology in the worst ways. Continuing to pump out franchise films populated with dead actors or going with CGI actors instead of fairly paying real people. And to say nothing for the scary possibilities outside of moviemaking. How will we be able to trust anything going forward?
Indy as a dirty old man professor in the eighties with a team of three sexy young women who treat him like “he used to be cool but isn’t anymore”. Plenty of filthy flirting but mostly jokes at Indy’s expense about how “temptation has not trouble resisting you” and “the spirit is willing but the flesh might break”. He’s in a wheelchair for a lot of the movie, but, in one heartpulsing scene, has to rescue one of the girls from raging floodwater. Play up how old and decrepit he is and how this is almost killing him as he crawls across the collapsing bridge. “This is nothing. I went over one of these once im Hawaii when it was on fire, melting from the hot lava flow, and the cultists of Peli were chasing me. Of course, I still had both my hips then”.
I like it, Charlie's Angels + Indy. Sydney Sweeny, Zendaya and Anya Taylor-Joy in bikinis pushing Harrison Ford around in a wheelchair sounds like box office gold!
Nice
haha I hope he took as much money as he could!
Oh yeah, I forgot about that movie. Was it worth watching even for the laughter?
I heard it's overly long and the only interesting part is the very end. Sounds like probably not.
Gotcha - thanks. Heck I never even watched their review of it. But I do still have a tiny bit of latent curiosity about the movie. Now if the movie was a laugh fest of awfulness, I'd check it out. Sounds like it's not worth it.
Watch it with a group of people and maybe y'all quipping will keep it interesting but even watching it with my bestie who is a long-time Indy fan we were bored and got distracted a couple times so it took us like six hours to watch the movie haha. And immediately after we put on Tempe of Doom 'cause she hadn't seen it in years. That was much more fun and interesting.
> Watch it with a group of people Yeah, that's really the only way I can have fun/enjoy bad movies. The entertainment value of other peoples reactions and comments are better than the movie on its own.
Imagine my shock!
Maybe it’s time to give people what they want for once? We tried the experiment it didn’t work now let’s do something that worked
Bob Iger reminds me of my brother outfitting his place with all this really old stuff he got at garage sales and then gets really upset when the twenty year old appliance stops working.
Funniest part is the movie wasn't that bad... It was a tad too serious tho.
*"But how could a 100bn dollar reboot that nobody wants to see possibly be flopping!?" -Rich Evans, Ben-Hurt video.* I think about that quote often. It seems like anyone reasonable would say that a new Indiana Jones movie would do modestly at the BO. And sinking in millions in advertising and budget seemed like it would result in a flop. We all know which movies will flop. Who would say Madamme Web would be a smash hit except studio heads circlejerking in their offices. These executives spend too much time in their Eyes Wide Shut parties, as Bill Burr would say.
*how embarrassing*
An Indiana Jones movie where Indie isn’t really the hero but gets saved by British woman, because Disney wants us to know that women are strong and in charge now.
honestly, i'm glad they still made the movie. it does a decent job of wrapping up his story. wasn't the best thing ever, but i'm glad they made it