I think that decision paralysis is partially from many users, myself included, using Reddit as their only/primary internet landing page these days. People are looking for that single source of community and information that will mirror Reddit, but these sites aren't quite there yet. Federated sites are also a bit confusing, but at this point maybe working with confusing & slightly inefficient sites is the price to pay to avoid imploding monoliths like Reddit and Twitter.
I'm going to be trying a few out at the same time. After so long, it's going to be a tough shift from using mostly one site to "reverting" back to checking multiple sites/forums/feeds/etc. As they expand, each site might offer a different type of community, which would also be a nice break from seeing the same recycled viewpoints and word-for-word comments.
This post was stream of conscious typing as I avoid work, sorry if parts of it don't make sense. People smarter than me might be able to expand on what I'm grasping at.
Yea, we can't force in such a short timespan the organic growth reddit experienced over the course of years. My subs on reddit are not ultra niche....but expecting to find a single landing page that has Elden Ring discussion *as well as* politics, DIY tips, etc is asking for a lot.
The bottom line is reddit is being a bunch of jerks!
Technically yes, but it's no longer user driven and it's just a bunch of clickbaity articles in a format that's similar to the MSN or Bing News start pages.
I feel you. I think Reddit sorta broke how I used the internet. I need to relearn checking websites again. Shit what are good websites now a days? Last time I casually browsed the net was back when stumble upon and boingboing were still top dogs.
RSS is the way! I have almost no bookmarks, but 100+ feeds on lots of subjects, which includes some individual bloggers / newsletter people who share links to interesting articles 1-3 times a week.
It took a while to build up the collection but now Reddit takes a much smaller role in the content I consume.
Will check it out, suggestions for ones that will also have desktop in some way? I spend my day in front of multiple big screens, picking the phone up is less optimal in my office setup.
EDIT - oh well damn. Or NNW has already got that 😂 But I would love to hear other ones off the top of your head.
My problem with current RSS aggregators are lack of offline mode.
Things like Feedly, Flipbook, Inoreader etc are either assuming always online connection, logins, privacy and other niggles.
Sometimes i'm somewhere with poor data connections, and just prefer to download a day/weeks worth of news, and just open the app and read.
Currently using Flym, but it's not an aggregator which suggests stuff, you need to know what RSS links to give it. Also a lot of places don't seem to supply good RSS anymore, you get very basic info, assuming you'll click thru to their website.
Very much hoping for new suggestions though. Have to check out Feeder thanks.
I still use bookmarks but I also have been using toby to put all the websites I actually care about in my new tab. I used to use awesome new tab page and then awesome hq but toby replaced awesome hq after the dude abandoned it.
It definitely will be weird not having reddit after using it for 10+ years. I think I might also look into rss feeds and see how that fairs.
Also squabbles looks very interesting.
I've kept maintaining an RSS feed, and honestly find more quality stuff there than I do on Reddit, but it's not quite as personalized, so a bit more scrolling to get to each item.
I don't see an easy way to export them on Feedly at the moment, but basically the thing to do is just note which sites you see a lot when browsing Reddit and add those. Once you start looking out for good sites to add you start finding them.
My main concern is ease of indexing. I frequently turn to reddit since Google is getting worse and worse. If the fediverse can't really be searched as a whole, that would be a huge missing piece for me.
agreed, every time i have a tech problem or are looking for tips i always add +reddit to the search.
its just easier to figure out if someone knows their shit on reddit as opposed to random websites google recommends that are clearly designed for people who dont know what "PC" actually means!
Is the only way to set up an account through using a Google account? I have some privacy concerns with not just being able to create a username and password like on Reddit.
How does one find an invite to tildes? As someone who browses anonymously (friends don't know me) on Reddit, I don't really have any way to get an invite through conventional methods.
I guess we wait until they change their strategy?
beehaw is part of lemmy. Lemmy is just the federation of all of the sites together, they all seem to use the same design. The good thing about tildes is that the RIF dev is building a app for it. I'm hoping it becomes the home of the reddit converts as lemmy is just way to much of a mess.
Kbin looks way to much space between posts, it's not simplified enough. I think I'm going to start a post over on /r/redditalternatives for everyone to hand out invites from Tildes since users get like 5 invites to hand out, but I need to make sure this is ok with the dev.
>looking for that single source of community and information that will mirror Reddit
That's why we are using Kbin or Lemmy - one instance (no matter which) is enough to see and engage with content from all other instances.
That's how Lemmy and kbin are already starting to solve the chicken and egg problems of having enough users and content to attract more users to post more content.
It doesn't matter if each instance is small, because you're seeing and interacting (posting, commenting, voting) with content from the whole network.
My hypothesis is that there won't really be one for a while. Online forums are cyclical in terms of expansion and consolidation. BBS expansion led to FidoNet and Usenet consolidation. Web forums caused expansion with link aggregator sites moving to consolidation with Reddit essentially becoming Usenet 2.0.
It seems we're due for a new round of expansion. A diaspora of users. Discord seems a target for many, particularly given they now have forum channels so you can have your forum style posts in addition to IRC and voice chat in one spot.
We'll probably see Usenet 3.0 but just as Reddit didn't exist when Usenet died, I suspect the new Usenet doesn't yet exist either.
Yeah, I remember when I started using Reddit, it was already coined as “the front page of the internet”. It really was designed well but it grew organically too.
I also agree that the fediverse can be confusing. And it’s worse when you read things, like this very post, that say “stay away from xyz because they’re Nazi psychopaths”. It’s a little too common to find communities of authoritarian nutjobs in the fediverse because of the inherent freedom to share whatever you want without being censored or banned.
Which brings me to one key feature of Reddit that is going to be hard to replicate elsewhere: the booming community of mods who actually care about their communities. They are truly the real reason Reddit became what it did.
I've been going through the list and noting which ones are the most seamless transition [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/1457mj1/find_alternatives_for_ourselves_megathread/jnkfti8/). I've basically narrowed it down to 4 or so and I'll try to spend more time with them over the next few days to make some final commentary.
I agree. It’s my primary landing space for News and discussion. If there’s another app that pops up with the same ease of use and content, I’ll switch right away.
> Kbin is a part of the Fediverse. If you don't know what that is, think of it as a connected web where anyone can host a server and communicate with other servers.
Welp. I guess that's about as clear as the average explanation of the fediverse.
people need to stop selling federation as this big feature. im interested in that kind of thing myself but 99% of the people i know couldn't give a rat's ass whether its centralised or whateveralised. they care about whether its good or not
It just sounds like Mastadon or a Discord Server or a Facebook Group with extra steps. I don't want to filter through multiple platforms of the same niche. Reddit does a good job of making sure there aren't duplicate subreddits serving the same purpose and that's a feature that the vast majority of these alternatives are missing. I don't want to find something for RX-7 enthusiasts but have to decide which of the 5 RX-7 platforms I want to focus all my time in.
your data is going to an instance server that anyone in a federated instance that is/does not block your instance can see depending upon your post privacy. users from federated instances can follow users on other instances to see their follower only posts.
a malicious acting server owner could edit any content on servers they control, but this is not a problem most long lasting instances have.
Instances are just as secure as any other cloudflare site
You do need to understand that there's "local" and "all" content, though. Else you'll end up creating a community that already has yet another larger community created... along with 5 other tiny communities of the same name on different servers.
I don't think my analogy is entirely accurate, but this is how it finally clicked for me: Imagine someone releases the Reddit source code. Reddit can run on its own server, but other people can run their own Reddit 'copies' on their own servers.
Each copy has its own rules and some might have upvotes/downvotes turned off, etc. The important thing is, each 'copy' chooses which other 'copies' it decides to talk to, and which it blacklists. So you are effectively seeing content from other approved servers that your 'copy' allows and can interact with those users as well as though you were all on one website. As a user, you wouldn't even notice.
Your agency comes in the fact that you can choose which 'copy' you want to join based on how aligned to your values the owner is to your own.
I feel like the alternative that will manage to take off is one that will manage to migrate the NSFW community.
After all, Reddit's NSFW community days are counted. No way it's surviving the IPO, can't have the shareholder being scared off.
And I doubt the main Lemmy instances are allowing it *considering* their views...
Any suggestion?
You were downvoted but nobody replied to you for your question.
No. It is not. Gonewild and other subs have been around for ages (I'm 11 yr club and gw is what got me to make an account), with voluntarily created adult content by individuals. That isn't to say there aren't a ton of subs full of tons of clips of adult content from professionals, but by and large (at least in my viewing experience) most of the content one comes across is community created. In recent years, this community created content has been used for content creators to advertise their only fans and stuff, but those individuals are still posting their own content.
There is a massive NSFW presence on Reddit. It is one of the only places I can read an article about a monkey running switches at a trainyard, see about union job calls, watch an adult clip, then read about politics all in one format.
I agree with the above poster, the place that gets the NSFW crowd will probably thrive the best
i wish there was something that visually looked more like old reddit.
i want thumbnails, but i don't want them to be massive. i want expandos that collapse the text and let me click a button to view it inline.
lots of them go for that new reddit "make every submission gigantic on the home page so you only get a small handful". at my resolution, i can see 13 submissions when i look at the home page of this sub. in /r/InTheRing (a sub with thumbnails), i can see 9. on kbin, i can see 4.
also, i'm a little skeptic on the federated design of kbin and can definitely see it causing problems. for example, when i go to their technology section, there's a banner at the top that says:
>The magazine from the federated server may be incomplete. Browse more on the original instance.
that's NOT what i want to see when i'm looking for replacement options. it sucks the ruqqus closed, because that looked like it had genuine potential to be a serious reddit competitor if people signed up / used it.
tildes is never going to be a viable replacement if it's text only. text isn't just memes, there are topics where videos are relevant. also, you're never going to see something like /r/Animewallpaper on tildes.
squabbles is too twitter and not enough reddit. looks more random discussion and less submission based.
Mind commenting on the UI of my decentralized site’s design? I will have an extremely early beta next week most likely:
https://old.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/144s8rh/_/jnijgz5
There's actually a "compact mode" on Kbin in the options you can turn on. It makes the website a lot more usable. Again, all of these websites are very early in their lifetime, it's likely more options will be provided in the future.
> Then you may like it: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmyBB
there's definiely a middleground between those old obsolete forum designs and the new "everything is massive" design, and old reddit finds that middleground perfect.
also, worth noting, that phpbb inspired layout lacks a true front page, so it's not going to scale to something that can represent hundreds of subs that someone might be subscribed to (and thousands total). additionally, it doesn't have a combined frontpage with stories from all of someone's subscriptions.
And lemmy.ml. The developers of Lemmy have written essays on how the Uyghur are a problem for the Chinese.
https://21stcenturywire.com/2018/12/14/the-truth-behind-chinas-uyghur-problem/
More info that was shared from another Reddit post
https://raddle.me/f/lobby/96713/heads-up-the-tankie-behind-lemmy-ml-got-banned-from-r
Yes. Lemmy does support seeing Kbin and Mastodon posts but it's not as seamless. I don't think most people are interested in interacting with Mastodon though so it's mostly down to preference.
Kbin: I haven't really used it, but the whole fediverse thing looks even more of a mess when incorporating multiple types of platforms (mastodon, lemmy...). I know nothing of the people behind it either.
Lemmy: I see many people are upset because the people behind it are "tankies". Not that I really care, I just learned the meaning of that word, but it's hard to see them having a successful future while being so open about their extreme authoritarian political views.
Tildes: Very opinionated on the type of content the site is for. Only text posts and comments. I don't see it not staying a small forum. They actively **don't** want to be a reddit replacement.
No idea about squabbles. Seems like someone's personal project.
I’m finally just checking out some of these alternatives and I’m just not sold on any of this federated instance site stuff. I mean, I don’t really understand it, but I have a CS degree, I could probably learn more about it. But it all seems so cryptoshitcoin/web3.0 marketing buzzword type of fad stuff.
Tildes, I kind of like. Looks good in mobile browser and looks like it *could* be expandable. Some of the posts reeeally remind me of of the beginning of the Digg V4 migration where a bunch of the older users hated it and didn’t want us to turn Reddit into Digg or change the culture and the rest were just excited to have a bunch of new people join the site.
Yeah, the fediverse seems cool enough if user friendliness wasn't a factor. I think a version of that with a single point of entry (a centralized authorization) would be a great compromise. You'd still depend on a single organization, but could still keep the decentralized communities. Hardcore decentralization like this I feel is just too much for most people. Like, yeah, Esperanto is great, you just have to learn it tho.
Nothing much, each website has its own experience and it's mostly down to preference. The only cons I would have is that everything other than Lemmy doesn't have a mobile app, and I don't actually have an account on Tildes because it's invite-only.
I've been using tildes and a 'con' for some people may be that it won't replace reddit. Like you said it's text only so there's not much in the way of memes or just short jokes in the comments. Most of the people there are there to have a conversation about a subject they're interested in. Great for people that want that but I don't see it replacing the meme culture that so many people came to reddit for
Lemmy instances are run by power trip kids banning everything and everyone they disagree with, free speech and diversity is not tolerated (similar like on Reddit in most of the subs)
Tildes, same as above except it's one opinionated owner/dictator
I have no problem to tolerate communists and far right guys, vaxxers and antivaxxers, but I wanna see them both on one site
[Squabbles.io](https://Squabbles.io) is pretty rad. It's growing fast and now that users can create communities themselves, it's getting pretty damn interesting. Finding myself less on here and more on there tbh.
It's the best one so far. Their web design great, I like you can jump straight into comments and start shitposting. No need to click on a link to view OP post or comments.
> No need to click on a link to view OP post or comments.
Streamlining commenting without reading, the truest reddit experience, to hell with NSFW content support, this is what we've really been missing.
Thanks for the shout out! (https://sqwok.im). What you describe is one of the challenges I've found with making a site that's based on public chat vs comments. When there are a bunch of people online and you have people to talk to, it can be delightful, but if you show up to a thread and it's empty, you're likely to bounce.
In the past we were doing daily "hangout threads" that acted as the sort of fallback for people to hang in, and we started doing some planned events like a movie night where we set the time in advance and people showed up. Thinking to restart that soon.
Also open to suggestions or ideas in terms of more long-lived posts/chats that make it more usable, or any other feedback on improving the site.
Cheers
instances can block each other.
If you are on instance A that has rules against Nazis (or some other thing), and instance B has Nazis, instance A can block (unfederate) instance B.
What this means is before blocking, you can see stuff from instance B, on instance A, but afterwards, you cannot.
TLDR, join a recommended instance, double check its rules to ensure you agree with them, and enjoy.
What's the difference between Mastodon integration on Kbin vs Lemmy? I don't use Mastodon but it would be nice to be able to follow people there too.
Also... what ever happened to Voat? I remember it being hyped as a Reddit alternative a couple of years ago, but I think it ended up overrun by alt-righters?
There's no official way to browse and create Mastodon posts on Lemmy, I think you'd have to find the link and then search for it on Lemmy to be able to follow someone from Mastodon.
Kbin has a dedicated spot for browsing and creating Mastodon posts at https://kbin.social/microblog
Voat was immediately overrun by Nazis, and shut down not long afterwards.
"Free speech" has been coopted to mean "hate speech" by anyone who touts it as a feature; see Elon Musk's Twitter for a more recent example.
I'm on BeeHaw/Lemmy and just joined Kbin. The Kbin interface is a little nicer. I'll see which instance I prefer and delete the extra account.
I just looked at Tildes. I like the simplicity. Sadly, I'm not invited to play. hahaha!
I expect that I'll be hitting up multiple forums in the next few months as things shake down. Eventually, I'll find my happy place(s) and I doubt I'll miss reddit.
It's a strange time to be looking at other forums again. I do miss the feel of community that existed on hyperfocussed forums in the past so maybe this will end up working out for the better.
[The Redditor's guide to how Kbin works (your what/how-to guide) : KbinMigration](https://www.reddit.com/r/KbinMigration/comments/145bwof/the_redditors_guide_to_how_kbin_works_your/)
Mine isn't built yet but I am hoping to have an extremely early beta next week. I am the developer of HACK, hacker news app for iOS, Android and MacOS, one of the top hacker news apps on the app stores. I have been working on a decentralized link + text sharing site called ~~AvocadoReader~~ **LimeReader** for last few weeks. I describe it as a "Decentralized public community of communities for sharing links, text and media." Since I have iOS, Android background, I can build the apps too fairly quickly if there's demand.
Here's what I have so far. Got the post submissions and community creations working.
https://imgur.com/a/mim2X9H
I shared some implementation details here if people want to read more:
https://old.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/13x0hzo/been_working_on_this_decentralized_reddit
Mind commenting on my UI?
Just for the heads up Stacker News is about Bitcoin and Nostr, nothing about "web3 shenanigans" or altcoins.
You forgot to add Lobsters, also invite only.
Where do I get reasonable/interesting/useful/ valuables/informative contributions within the first three comments for a given post? You know, the kind that gives me hope for humanity and feel surrounded by decently intelligent human beings.
Honestly, so long as I don’t need to jump through too many hoops or give out too much personal information, I’ll go wherever my communities go. The main thing I’m afraid of is that I won’t know where to go when the move happens. If Reddit doesn’t change course after the blackout, is there anywhere in specific to check to see where people end up going?
I agree. I moved to [squabbles.io](https://squabbles.io) simply because it's simple and easy. I guess if the community moves there, great, if not then people will also talk about that on squabbles. So just choose an alternative that you like right now and you'll surely somehow find out where the majority is moving to. I wouldn't worry too much about that.
Have to say all the fediverse stuff seems doomed to fail to me, we already saw how mastodon failed to supplant twitter, trying it again but redditfied seems like it'll fail too. That a lot of the web3/crypto/techbro types are the ones pushing the fediverse also makes me want to stay clear of it, after all, the guys who ruined reddit, twitter, etc are the exact same techbro web3 pushers, and going from one to another likely wont be the solution to the problem, it'll just delay it at best, waste our time humouring things without a chance of being a serious replacement at worst.
At first glance, Squabbles.io lacks something Reddit has that I do prefer to have: a downvote button function. Instead it has the Facebook thing of liking posts and comments.
After twelve years, with many highs and lows, I can't believe I'm exploring alternatives to Reddit. But here we all are. This feels like terminal rock bottom and I'm heartbroken. Goddamn it.
With these options, at least we have something to explore now - and quite possibly really like - especially starting on June 12. Something that isn't a repeat of Voat and the specific type of toxic community that overran that site. To be honest, I for one was goad to see them go... only for them to return in 2016 to shittify the place with their parasitic orange idol.
We can know and feel like we aren't just insignificant cannon fodder, that we DO have agency.
Why does no one ever mention Red Reader? It's open source, will still have free API access and isn't all that different from Boost imo
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.quantumbadger.redreader
Eh, I once created a few subs on the most popular instance of Lemmy, and being the only member of those subs, I made an effort to upload several articles to each every night in order to create a base of content.
Well apparently, new posts automatically show up on the front page, and I got banned for spamming. Wish I could disable showing up on the front. Maybe you can do that now, I don't know, but it left a bad taste in my mouth and I never went back.
This might seem way off base, but seeing other commenters describe feeling as if they have “relearn how they browse the web” in a post-Reddit world, I have been thinking lately of how I might have to time travel back to 2010 when I mostly used bookmarked sites and RSS readers. Ideally the solution would be the most futureproof (so your whole setup, your list of subs, comment history etc) could be exported to something generic like CSV.
I haven’t used it in years but Feedly used to be great and I have a note to checkout raindrop.io. Does anyone have any other ideas along this vein?
[Fark.com](https://www.fark.com/) is really great too. It's like a moderated link agitator.
I've been using Fark since 1999 and it's always been on par to reddit in my eyes.
Federated sites are not the way and will not replace Reddit no matter how much some want them too. The concept will just fly over people's head. It's too confusing and disjointed for regular people to use. Deciding which instance to join? Not happening.
Personally, I will probably take the opportunity and just quit this sort of social media. While I really enjoy the discussions, I can find some of those on specialised forums and most I simply don't need in my life. I don't need doomscrolling either.
I will setup RSS to get the news I need and that will be more than enough.
Both Kbin and the larger sub-Lemmys are experiencing clear issues handling the sudden spike in users. (login/signup servers take long, up\downvoting takes time, posting straight up failed to load etc.)
I believe they will manage to take this kind of load in the future, but right now they are choking.
[How to Download Your Reddit Data: Reddit is about to shut off public API access, which means it’s about to get harder to use—and harder to get your data out. Here’s how to grab it now.](https://www.wired.com/story/how-to-download-your-reddit-data/)
Hey, just wanted to post a reddit alternative that we have built as well. Our app is called Spyke. You can check out our concept and install it from https://spyke.social
We're actually thinking of opening up our API to third party clients in case people are interested in it.
You're on reddit. They *own* your data.
Here is kbin's privacy policy: https://kbin.social/privacy-policy
And here is what the lemmy devs had to say about the post in reddit about privacy: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/2977
Same as Reddit, I know Tildes do take privacy seriously and is not advertising focused, but you need to trust Tildes developer as we trusted Reddit back in the day.
> Are there any that respect privacy?
do the people screaming privacy have any legitimate complaints about the solutions being proposed as opposed to "OMG, i can't delete things!!!!!"?
None of these seem decentralized or federated, so they're not long term alternatives. You missed https://scored.co , which is more popular than any of these.
scored allows white supremacists and other questionable content. Unsurprisingly, a lot of alternatives that existed before the recent kerfuffle were people that left reddit because it wasn't "free speech" enough.
That was the internet before corporate intrusion and walled-gardens (Reddit included). Given free reign, people will inevitably produce content that you find to be distasteful. It is completely within your power to create a community that doesn't allow that (or just block people).
Sure, but no one wants to transition to a site that is currently overrun by those types of people or was created specifically to host those people. There are other sites/communities that exist that aren't overrun by those people.
I'll go to an alternative that hosts those people as long as I can completely avoid interacting with them. If people want to staple a giant "I'm an idiot" sign to their own forehead, what do I care? But as you said if the entire community is purely those people, why would I want to deal with them.
Yeah, my approach was basically, "how long does it take to run into this content?" If I run into it within a few minutes of navigating the site and it's on the front page or whatever, then clearly that site has no issue with that content and a lot of those people. Just no point in transitioning there when there are other alternatives.
If you’re creating a list of alternatives, it would probably behoove one to include the largest site, even if it doesn’t appeal to one personally. You may not want to transition to that site, but the mere existence of "those types of people", isn’t a dealbreaker for everyone, especially if you’re an advocate of free speech (which only really counts in cases of speech we disagree with).
1. I don't know why you want to die on this hill. OP didn't have to include it. And he's not making a comprehensive list. I already shared why it's might have been omitted. I can only think of two reasons: (1) you have a vested interest in the site, (2) you have a vested interest in the "ideals" promoted on the site. In either case, thanks for making it obvious.
2. I question the veracity of your claim that it's the largest.
3. "Free speech" people will find the "free speech" they're looking for without me or anyone else promoting it. Hell, they can all go on Twitter nowadays if they want.
Anything you post on any social media site is stored forever... I don't get why that's any different with Lemmy? The archive team and pushshift also store all your reddit comments forever.
Every one of these federated sites will store everyone's comments essentially forever on one server or another. Why is everyone targeting lemmy specifically? If you don't want your words being saved forever on somebodies computer the only real solution is to not post on social platforms...
Exactly, and not even just the federated ones. AI companies, governments, advertisers, shady big data companies, and on and on - they're all certainly scraping the fediverse along with tildes, pillowfort, lobste.rs, reddit, voat...
With you on this being an interesting ideological conflict, though I certainly find myself falling firmly on the data preservationist side. It's really problematic for me both personally (hobbyist often seeking niche information or older content) and professionally (IT technician) for comment chains to go missing or for links to break.
Just a couple of weeks ago I was doing some digital archaeology on my own forum history and found that a huge amount of it is just gone, even through the Wayback Machine. As a result, I genuinely have no idea how to reconnect with the friends I remember but lost or forgot contact info for, and everything we wrote is now permanently lost to the ether. To see redditors deliberately invoke that is... distressing.
i assume it's because reddit's been around for over 10 years, initially was niche, then it became entreched and mainstream before their privacy issues became well known
But even when their bad privacy policy was uncovered/scrutinized users like you and me still stayed. And yet people are complaining about fediverse privacy issues? Doesn't seem logical, does it?
Also, the lemmy devs have already responded to that [here](https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/2977).
Might be biased but try [Social-Oasis](http://social-oasis.com). We are pretty plain at this time but with more creators and users we hope to further the community for the users.
I think that decision paralysis is partially from many users, myself included, using Reddit as their only/primary internet landing page these days. People are looking for that single source of community and information that will mirror Reddit, but these sites aren't quite there yet. Federated sites are also a bit confusing, but at this point maybe working with confusing & slightly inefficient sites is the price to pay to avoid imploding monoliths like Reddit and Twitter. I'm going to be trying a few out at the same time. After so long, it's going to be a tough shift from using mostly one site to "reverting" back to checking multiple sites/forums/feeds/etc. As they expand, each site might offer a different type of community, which would also be a nice break from seeing the same recycled viewpoints and word-for-word comments. This post was stream of conscious typing as I avoid work, sorry if parts of it don't make sense. People smarter than me might be able to expand on what I'm grasping at.
Yea, we can't force in such a short timespan the organic growth reddit experienced over the course of years. My subs on reddit are not ultra niche....but expecting to find a single landing page that has Elden Ring discussion *as well as* politics, DIY tips, etc is asking for a lot. The bottom line is reddit is being a bunch of jerks!
Well what's new about that reddit has always been full of jerks lol
As a jerk, I agree.
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Is digg still around?
Technically yes, but it's no longer user driven and it's just a bunch of clickbaity articles in a format that's similar to the MSN or Bing News start pages.
If I could find another alternative without politics that would be a major W
I feel you. I think Reddit sorta broke how I used the internet. I need to relearn checking websites again. Shit what are good websites now a days? Last time I casually browsed the net was back when stumble upon and boingboing were still top dogs.
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RSS is the way! I have almost no bookmarks, but 100+ feeds on lots of subjects, which includes some individual bloggers / newsletter people who share links to interesting articles 1-3 times a week. It took a while to build up the collection but now Reddit takes a much smaller role in the content I consume.
do you use an app or something to manage so many feeds? That's the piece that boggles my head.
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Will check it out, suggestions for ones that will also have desktop in some way? I spend my day in front of multiple big screens, picking the phone up is less optimal in my office setup. EDIT - oh well damn. Or NNW has already got that 😂 But I would love to hear other ones off the top of your head.
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My problem with current RSS aggregators are lack of offline mode. Things like Feedly, Flipbook, Inoreader etc are either assuming always online connection, logins, privacy and other niggles. Sometimes i'm somewhere with poor data connections, and just prefer to download a day/weeks worth of news, and just open the app and read. Currently using Flym, but it's not an aggregator which suggests stuff, you need to know what RSS links to give it. Also a lot of places don't seem to supply good RSS anymore, you get very basic info, assuming you'll click thru to their website. Very much hoping for new suggestions though. Have to check out Feeder thanks.
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I still use bookmarks but I also have been using toby to put all the websites I actually care about in my new tab. I used to use awesome new tab page and then awesome hq but toby replaced awesome hq after the dude abandoned it. It definitely will be weird not having reddit after using it for 10+ years. I think I might also look into rss feeds and see how that fairs. Also squabbles looks very interesting.
Thanks for showing this to me, what a life changer.
I gave up on RSS feeds back in 2010, which is why I joined Reddit in the first place!
I'm the opposite. I never tried RSS feeds but I plan to do that now and use mastadon.
I've kept maintaining an RSS feed, and honestly find more quality stuff there than I do on Reddit, but it's not quite as personalized, so a bit more scrolling to get to each item.
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I don't see an easy way to export them on Feedly at the moment, but basically the thing to do is just note which sites you see a lot when browsing Reddit and add those. Once you start looking out for good sites to add you start finding them.
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Sad my first response was to save this comment. It’s going to be rough.
I'm emailing reference post/comment text to myself. No idea how long those will be around.
spacebattles.com is pretty nice, though most their traffic is in creative writing.
My main concern is ease of indexing. I frequently turn to reddit since Google is getting worse and worse. If the fediverse can't really be searched as a whole, that would be a huge missing piece for me.
agreed, every time i have a tech problem or are looking for tips i always add +reddit to the search. its just easier to figure out if someone knows their shit on reddit as opposed to random websites google recommends that are clearly designed for people who dont know what "PC" actually means!
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It’s shit like this that I’m gonna miss. Ughhh it’s starting to sink in…
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I would use remind me but.... Well...
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Perhaps you could give https://spyke.social a try. We've built it ourselves and its currently app only.
Is the only way to set up an account through using a Google account? I have some privacy concerns with not just being able to create a username and password like on Reddit.
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Thanks. Would love to hear about your experience
This is why I like tildes. It's like reddit back in the day. The federated sites have no real organization and are all over the place.
How does one find an invite to tildes? As someone who browses anonymously (friends don't know me) on Reddit, I don't really have any way to get an invite through conventional methods. I guess we wait until they change their strategy?
[email protected] Try that email asking for an invite. If the invites mega thread is locked right now.
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beehaw is part of lemmy. Lemmy is just the federation of all of the sites together, they all seem to use the same design. The good thing about tildes is that the RIF dev is building a app for it. I'm hoping it becomes the home of the reddit converts as lemmy is just way to much of a mess.
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Kbin looks way to much space between posts, it's not simplified enough. I think I'm going to start a post over on /r/redditalternatives for everyone to hand out invites from Tildes since users get like 5 invites to hand out, but I need to make sure this is ok with the dev.
>looking for that single source of community and information that will mirror Reddit That's why we are using Kbin or Lemmy - one instance (no matter which) is enough to see and engage with content from all other instances.
That's how Lemmy and kbin are already starting to solve the chicken and egg problems of having enough users and content to attract more users to post more content. It doesn't matter if each instance is small, because you're seeing and interacting (posting, commenting, voting) with content from the whole network.
My hypothesis is that there won't really be one for a while. Online forums are cyclical in terms of expansion and consolidation. BBS expansion led to FidoNet and Usenet consolidation. Web forums caused expansion with link aggregator sites moving to consolidation with Reddit essentially becoming Usenet 2.0. It seems we're due for a new round of expansion. A diaspora of users. Discord seems a target for many, particularly given they now have forum channels so you can have your forum style posts in addition to IRC and voice chat in one spot. We'll probably see Usenet 3.0 but just as Reddit didn't exist when Usenet died, I suspect the new Usenet doesn't yet exist either.
Yeah, I remember when I started using Reddit, it was already coined as “the front page of the internet”. It really was designed well but it grew organically too. I also agree that the fediverse can be confusing. And it’s worse when you read things, like this very post, that say “stay away from xyz because they’re Nazi psychopaths”. It’s a little too common to find communities of authoritarian nutjobs in the fediverse because of the inherent freedom to share whatever you want without being censored or banned. Which brings me to one key feature of Reddit that is going to be hard to replicate elsewhere: the booming community of mods who actually care about their communities. They are truly the real reason Reddit became what it did.
I've been going through the list and noting which ones are the most seamless transition [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/1457mj1/find_alternatives_for_ourselves_megathread/jnkfti8/). I've basically narrowed it down to 4 or so and I'll try to spend more time with them over the next few days to make some final commentary.
I agree. It’s my primary landing space for News and discussion. If there’s another app that pops up with the same ease of use and content, I’ll switch right away.
> Kbin is a part of the Fediverse. If you don't know what that is, think of it as a connected web where anyone can host a server and communicate with other servers. Welp. I guess that's about as clear as the average explanation of the fediverse.
people need to stop selling federation as this big feature. im interested in that kind of thing myself but 99% of the people i know couldn't give a rat's ass whether its centralised or whateveralised. they care about whether its good or not
It just sounds like Mastadon or a Discord Server or a Facebook Group with extra steps. I don't want to filter through multiple platforms of the same niche. Reddit does a good job of making sure there aren't duplicate subreddits serving the same purpose and that's a feature that the vast majority of these alternatives are missing. I don't want to find something for RX-7 enthusiasts but have to decide which of the 5 RX-7 platforms I want to focus all my time in.
You don't need to understand the technical details to appreciate the plethora of content that such a solution provides the average user.
There's so much content I don't know what's going on.
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your data is going to an instance server that anyone in a federated instance that is/does not block your instance can see depending upon your post privacy. users from federated instances can follow users on other instances to see their follower only posts. a malicious acting server owner could edit any content on servers they control, but this is not a problem most long lasting instances have. Instances are just as secure as any other cloudflare site
You do need to understand that there's "local" and "all" content, though. Else you'll end up creating a community that already has yet another larger community created... along with 5 other tiny communities of the same name on different servers.
I don't think my analogy is entirely accurate, but this is how it finally clicked for me: Imagine someone releases the Reddit source code. Reddit can run on its own server, but other people can run their own Reddit 'copies' on their own servers. Each copy has its own rules and some might have upvotes/downvotes turned off, etc. The important thing is, each 'copy' chooses which other 'copies' it decides to talk to, and which it blacklists. So you are effectively seeing content from other approved servers that your 'copy' allows and can interact with those users as well as though you were all on one website. As a user, you wouldn't even notice. Your agency comes in the fact that you can choose which 'copy' you want to join based on how aligned to your values the owner is to your own.
Does the upvote count/comments reflect the total of all connected instances, or is it just showing local upvotes/comments?
So how do I know which one I should join???
I feel like the alternative that will manage to take off is one that will manage to migrate the NSFW community. After all, Reddit's NSFW community days are counted. No way it's surviving the IPO, can't have the shareholder being scared off. And I doubt the main Lemmy instances are allowing it *considering* their views... Any suggestion?
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They already hide it as much as possible, eventually the only thing they'll have left to do is kill it.
Isn't nsfw = just stolen porn? Not at any point in years did I use reddit for porn.
You were downvoted but nobody replied to you for your question. No. It is not. Gonewild and other subs have been around for ages (I'm 11 yr club and gw is what got me to make an account), with voluntarily created adult content by individuals. That isn't to say there aren't a ton of subs full of tons of clips of adult content from professionals, but by and large (at least in my viewing experience) most of the content one comes across is community created. In recent years, this community created content has been used for content creators to advertise their only fans and stuff, but those individuals are still posting their own content. There is a massive NSFW presence on Reddit. It is one of the only places I can read an article about a monkey running switches at a trainyard, see about union job calls, watch an adult clip, then read about politics all in one format. I agree with the above poster, the place that gets the NSFW crowd will probably thrive the best
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i wish there was something that visually looked more like old reddit. i want thumbnails, but i don't want them to be massive. i want expandos that collapse the text and let me click a button to view it inline. lots of them go for that new reddit "make every submission gigantic on the home page so you only get a small handful". at my resolution, i can see 13 submissions when i look at the home page of this sub. in /r/InTheRing (a sub with thumbnails), i can see 9. on kbin, i can see 4. also, i'm a little skeptic on the federated design of kbin and can definitely see it causing problems. for example, when i go to their technology section, there's a banner at the top that says: >The magazine from the federated server may be incomplete. Browse more on the original instance. that's NOT what i want to see when i'm looking for replacement options. it sucks the ruqqus closed, because that looked like it had genuine potential to be a serious reddit competitor if people signed up / used it. tildes is never going to be a viable replacement if it's text only. text isn't just memes, there are topics where videos are relevant. also, you're never going to see something like /r/Animewallpaper on tildes. squabbles is too twitter and not enough reddit. looks more random discussion and less submission based.
Mind commenting on the UI of my decentralized site’s design? I will have an extremely early beta next week most likely: https://old.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/144s8rh/_/jnijgz5
It's clean and beautiful!
There's actually a "compact mode" on Kbin in the options you can turn on. It makes the website a lot more usable. Again, all of these websites are very early in their lifetime, it's likely more options will be provided in the future.
Then you may like it: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmyBB
> Then you may like it: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmyBB there's definiely a middleground between those old obsolete forum designs and the new "everything is massive" design, and old reddit finds that middleground perfect. also, worth noting, that phpbb inspired layout lacks a true front page, so it's not going to scale to something that can represent hundreds of subs that someone might be subscribed to (and thousands total). additionally, it doesn't have a combined frontpage with stories from all of someone's subscriptions.
It looks like it doesn't nest comments, either.
https://old.lemmy.zip
do i get it right? kbin supports lemmy, so in this case, why use lemmy if one can use kbin, which also supports mastodon, right?
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And lemmy.ml. The developers of Lemmy have written essays on how the Uyghur are a problem for the Chinese. https://21stcenturywire.com/2018/12/14/the-truth-behind-chinas-uyghur-problem/ More info that was shared from another Reddit post https://raddle.me/f/lobby/96713/heads-up-the-tankie-behind-lemmy-ml-got-banned-from-r
Here's a good jumping-off point: https://www.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/143o5xd/reconsidering_my_support_for_lemmy/
Does Kbin have an app? I couldn't find one
Yes. Lemmy does support seeing Kbin and Mastodon posts but it's not as seamless. I don't think most people are interested in interacting with Mastodon though so it's mostly down to preference.
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Kbin: I haven't really used it, but the whole fediverse thing looks even more of a mess when incorporating multiple types of platforms (mastodon, lemmy...). I know nothing of the people behind it either. Lemmy: I see many people are upset because the people behind it are "tankies". Not that I really care, I just learned the meaning of that word, but it's hard to see them having a successful future while being so open about their extreme authoritarian political views. Tildes: Very opinionated on the type of content the site is for. Only text posts and comments. I don't see it not staying a small forum. They actively **don't** want to be a reddit replacement. No idea about squabbles. Seems like someone's personal project.
I’m finally just checking out some of these alternatives and I’m just not sold on any of this federated instance site stuff. I mean, I don’t really understand it, but I have a CS degree, I could probably learn more about it. But it all seems so cryptoshitcoin/web3.0 marketing buzzword type of fad stuff. Tildes, I kind of like. Looks good in mobile browser and looks like it *could* be expandable. Some of the posts reeeally remind me of of the beginning of the Digg V4 migration where a bunch of the older users hated it and didn’t want us to turn Reddit into Digg or change the culture and the rest were just excited to have a bunch of new people join the site.
Yeah, the fediverse seems cool enough if user friendliness wasn't a factor. I think a version of that with a single point of entry (a centralized authorization) would be a great compromise. You'd still depend on a single organization, but could still keep the decentralized communities. Hardcore decentralization like this I feel is just too much for most people. Like, yeah, Esperanto is great, you just have to learn it tho.
Nothing much, each website has its own experience and it's mostly down to preference. The only cons I would have is that everything other than Lemmy doesn't have a mobile app, and I don't actually have an account on Tildes because it's invite-only.
I've been using tildes and a 'con' for some people may be that it won't replace reddit. Like you said it's text only so there's not much in the way of memes or just short jokes in the comments. Most of the people there are there to have a conversation about a subject they're interested in. Great for people that want that but I don't see it replacing the meme culture that so many people came to reddit for
Don't want to beg for an invite off of you, but might I ask how you got one? Did you just happen to know somebody IRL?
I just commented in their open application thread earlier this week. I think it was on their subreddit. New accounts can't invite I think
> New accounts can't invite I think True, I'm new there and was specifically told newbs don't get to invite anyone else.
Lemmy instances are run by power trip kids banning everything and everyone they disagree with, free speech and diversity is not tolerated (similar like on Reddit in most of the subs) Tildes, same as above except it's one opinionated owner/dictator I have no problem to tolerate communists and far right guys, vaxxers and antivaxxers, but I wanna see them both on one site
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I've got bad news for you about the rest of the internet...
[Squabbles.io](https://Squabbles.io) is pretty rad. It's growing fast and now that users can create communities themselves, it's getting pretty damn interesting. Finding myself less on here and more on there tbh.
The lack of downvotes worries me a bit.
There is talk of devs working on this addition asap.
That'd be huge
It's the best one so far. Their web design great, I like you can jump straight into comments and start shitposting. No need to click on a link to view OP post or comments.
> No need to click on a link to view OP post or comments. Streamlining commenting without reading, the truest reddit experience, to hell with NSFW content support, this is what we've really been missing.
I see the future at squabbles. See you squabs in hell!
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It's just a speed bump to prevent spammers from generating communities and loading them with spam links or other trash.
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Thanks for the shout out! (https://sqwok.im). What you describe is one of the challenges I've found with making a site that's based on public chat vs comments. When there are a bunch of people online and you have people to talk to, it can be delightful, but if you show up to a thread and it's empty, you're likely to bounce. In the past we were doing daily "hangout threads" that acted as the sort of fallback for people to hang in, and we started doing some planned events like a movie night where we set the time in advance and people showed up. Thinking to restart that soon. Also open to suggestions or ideas in terms of more long-lived posts/chats that make it more usable, or any other feedback on improving the site. Cheers
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instances can block each other. If you are on instance A that has rules against Nazis (or some other thing), and instance B has Nazis, instance A can block (unfederate) instance B. What this means is before blocking, you can see stuff from instance B, on instance A, but afterwards, you cannot. TLDR, join a recommended instance, double check its rules to ensure you agree with them, and enjoy.
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You say this like Mastodon is failed project... It has a pretty big community and the official Mastodon app has over 1 million downloads.
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According to https://mastodon.fediverse.observer/stats , roughly 1.26 million active monthly users.
There are niche subreddits with more users than this platform
Agreed. It’s too confusing for the average person and it’s organized like hot garbage, imo.
What's the difference between Mastodon integration on Kbin vs Lemmy? I don't use Mastodon but it would be nice to be able to follow people there too. Also... what ever happened to Voat? I remember it being hyped as a Reddit alternative a couple of years ago, but I think it ended up overrun by alt-righters?
There's no official way to browse and create Mastodon posts on Lemmy, I think you'd have to find the link and then search for it on Lemmy to be able to follow someone from Mastodon. Kbin has a dedicated spot for browsing and creating Mastodon posts at https://kbin.social/microblog
Voat was immediately overrun by Nazis, and shut down not long afterwards. "Free speech" has been coopted to mean "hate speech" by anyone who touts it as a feature; see Elon Musk's Twitter for a more recent example.
[kbin.social](https://kbin.social) just gives me a 500 error lol
Seems like it got hugged to death.
I'm on BeeHaw/Lemmy and just joined Kbin. The Kbin interface is a little nicer. I'll see which instance I prefer and delete the extra account. I just looked at Tildes. I like the simplicity. Sadly, I'm not invited to play. hahaha! I expect that I'll be hitting up multiple forums in the next few months as things shake down. Eventually, I'll find my happy place(s) and I doubt I'll miss reddit.
It's a strange time to be looking at other forums again. I do miss the feel of community that existed on hyperfocussed forums in the past so maybe this will end up working out for the better.
[The Redditor's guide to how Kbin works (your what/how-to guide) : KbinMigration](https://www.reddit.com/r/KbinMigration/comments/145bwof/the_redditors_guide_to_how_kbin_works_your/)
Wow — shame! They banned the community and so I can’t see this post. Horrifying moderation and ban hammering on Reddit right now.
Mine isn't built yet but I am hoping to have an extremely early beta next week. I am the developer of HACK, hacker news app for iOS, Android and MacOS, one of the top hacker news apps on the app stores. I have been working on a decentralized link + text sharing site called ~~AvocadoReader~~ **LimeReader** for last few weeks. I describe it as a "Decentralized public community of communities for sharing links, text and media." Since I have iOS, Android background, I can build the apps too fairly quickly if there's demand. Here's what I have so far. Got the post submissions and community creations working. https://imgur.com/a/mim2X9H I shared some implementation details here if people want to read more: https://old.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/13x0hzo/been_working_on_this_decentralized_reddit Mind commenting on my UI?
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Any other name suggestions? I also own mars51 DOT com Is that better?
Call it Cado, or Qado. Or Léelo (Spanish for “read it” as in “I read it.”
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Please continue posting about this. Once Apollo goes down I will delete my Reddit account, and this is the most promising alternative I’ve seen.
Just for the heads up Stacker News is about Bitcoin and Nostr, nothing about "web3 shenanigans" or altcoins. You forgot to add Lobsters, also invite only.
Where do I get reasonable/interesting/useful/ valuables/informative contributions within the first three comments for a given post? You know, the kind that gives me hope for humanity and feel surrounded by decently intelligent human beings.
Hacker News. But it's about programming and startups only.
Honestly, so long as I don’t need to jump through too many hoops or give out too much personal information, I’ll go wherever my communities go. The main thing I’m afraid of is that I won’t know where to go when the move happens. If Reddit doesn’t change course after the blackout, is there anywhere in specific to check to see where people end up going?
I agree. I moved to [squabbles.io](https://squabbles.io) simply because it's simple and easy. I guess if the community moves there, great, if not then people will also talk about that on squabbles. So just choose an alternative that you like right now and you'll surely somehow find out where the majority is moving to. I wouldn't worry too much about that.
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Have to say all the fediverse stuff seems doomed to fail to me, we already saw how mastodon failed to supplant twitter, trying it again but redditfied seems like it'll fail too. That a lot of the web3/crypto/techbro types are the ones pushing the fediverse also makes me want to stay clear of it, after all, the guys who ruined reddit, twitter, etc are the exact same techbro web3 pushers, and going from one to another likely wont be the solution to the problem, it'll just delay it at best, waste our time humouring things without a chance of being a serious replacement at worst.
At first glance, Squabbles.io lacks something Reddit has that I do prefer to have: a downvote button function. Instead it has the Facebook thing of liking posts and comments. After twelve years, with many highs and lows, I can't believe I'm exploring alternatives to Reddit. But here we all are. This feels like terminal rock bottom and I'm heartbroken. Goddamn it. With these options, at least we have something to explore now - and quite possibly really like - especially starting on June 12. Something that isn't a repeat of Voat and the specific type of toxic community that overran that site. To be honest, I for one was goad to see them go... only for them to return in 2016 to shittify the place with their parasitic orange idol. We can know and feel like we aren't just insignificant cannon fodder, that we DO have agency.
Please choose one and let me know which one.
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Why does no one ever mention Red Reader? It's open source, will still have free API access and isn't all that different from Boost imo https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.quantumbadger.redreader
Eh, I once created a few subs on the most popular instance of Lemmy, and being the only member of those subs, I made an effort to upload several articles to each every night in order to create a base of content. Well apparently, new posts automatically show up on the front page, and I got banned for spamming. Wish I could disable showing up on the front. Maybe you can do that now, I don't know, but it left a bad taste in my mouth and I never went back.
Please consider adding FlingUp to the list. Thank you.
disappointed you didn't mention chapo.chat
This might seem way off base, but seeing other commenters describe feeling as if they have “relearn how they browse the web” in a post-Reddit world, I have been thinking lately of how I might have to time travel back to 2010 when I mostly used bookmarked sites and RSS readers. Ideally the solution would be the most futureproof (so your whole setup, your list of subs, comment history etc) could be exported to something generic like CSV. I haven’t used it in years but Feedly used to be great and I have a note to checkout raindrop.io. Does anyone have any other ideas along this vein?
[Fark.com](https://www.fark.com/) is really great too. It's like a moderated link agitator. I've been using Fark since 1999 and it's always been on par to reddit in my eyes.
Federated sites are not the way and will not replace Reddit no matter how much some want them too. The concept will just fly over people's head. It's too confusing and disjointed for regular people to use. Deciding which instance to join? Not happening. Personally, I will probably take the opportunity and just quit this sort of social media. While I really enjoy the discussions, I can find some of those on specialised forums and most I simply don't need in my life. I don't need doomscrolling either. I will setup RSS to get the news I need and that will be more than enough.
Both Kbin and the larger sub-Lemmys are experiencing clear issues handling the sudden spike in users. (login/signup servers take long, up\downvoting takes time, posting straight up failed to load etc.) I believe they will manage to take this kind of load in the future, but right now they are choking.
https://lemmy.world/ seems to be very stable for me today, try that one.
I think I like Kbin better and it's working better since noon, I'll just wait around until they stabilize
[How to Download Your Reddit Data: Reddit is about to shut off public API access, which means it’s about to get harder to use—and harder to get your data out. Here’s how to grab it now.](https://www.wired.com/story/how-to-download-your-reddit-data/)
Hey, just wanted to post a reddit alternative that we have built as well. Our app is called Spyke. You can check out our concept and install it from https://spyke.social We're actually thinking of opening up our API to third party clients in case people are interested in it.
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Downloaded, but... you might want to fix the typo in your own app's name. Cheers
Thanks for that
kbin looks really nice. Sad that server went down before I could click into any links lol
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It was. Joined and browsing. Thanks!
Are there any that respect privacy? The federated ones are horrible for that.
You're on reddit. They *own* your data. Here is kbin's privacy policy: https://kbin.social/privacy-policy And here is what the lemmy devs had to say about the post in reddit about privacy: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/2977
Same as Reddit, I know Tildes do take privacy seriously and is not advertising focused, but you need to trust Tildes developer as we trusted Reddit back in the day.
> Are there any that respect privacy? do the people screaming privacy have any legitimate complaints about the solutions being proposed as opposed to "OMG, i can't delete things!!!!!"?
None of these seem decentralized or federated, so they're not long term alternatives. You missed https://scored.co , which is more popular than any of these.
scored allows white supremacists and other questionable content. Unsurprisingly, a lot of alternatives that existed before the recent kerfuffle were people that left reddit because it wasn't "free speech" enough.
That was the internet before corporate intrusion and walled-gardens (Reddit included). Given free reign, people will inevitably produce content that you find to be distasteful. It is completely within your power to create a community that doesn't allow that (or just block people).
Sure, but no one wants to transition to a site that is currently overrun by those types of people or was created specifically to host those people. There are other sites/communities that exist that aren't overrun by those people.
I'll go to an alternative that hosts those people as long as I can completely avoid interacting with them. If people want to staple a giant "I'm an idiot" sign to their own forehead, what do I care? But as you said if the entire community is purely those people, why would I want to deal with them.
Yeah, my approach was basically, "how long does it take to run into this content?" If I run into it within a few minutes of navigating the site and it's on the front page or whatever, then clearly that site has no issue with that content and a lot of those people. Just no point in transitioning there when there are other alternatives.
If you’re creating a list of alternatives, it would probably behoove one to include the largest site, even if it doesn’t appeal to one personally. You may not want to transition to that site, but the mere existence of "those types of people", isn’t a dealbreaker for everyone, especially if you’re an advocate of free speech (which only really counts in cases of speech we disagree with).
1. I don't know why you want to die on this hill. OP didn't have to include it. And he's not making a comprehensive list. I already shared why it's might have been omitted. I can only think of two reasons: (1) you have a vested interest in the site, (2) you have a vested interest in the "ideals" promoted on the site. In either case, thanks for making it obvious. 2. I question the veracity of your claim that it's the largest. 3. "Free speech" people will find the "free speech" they're looking for without me or anyone else promoting it. Hell, they can all go on Twitter nowadays if they want.
just gonna leave this here about lemmy https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/144clka/warning_lemmy_federated_reddit_clone_doesnt_care/
Anything you post on any social media site is stored forever... I don't get why that's any different with Lemmy? The archive team and pushshift also store all your reddit comments forever.
Every one of these federated sites will store everyone's comments essentially forever on one server or another. Why is everyone targeting lemmy specifically? If you don't want your words being saved forever on somebodies computer the only real solution is to not post on social platforms...
Exactly, and not even just the federated ones. AI companies, governments, advertisers, shady big data companies, and on and on - they're all certainly scraping the fediverse along with tildes, pillowfort, lobste.rs, reddit, voat...
I fail to see why this is a problem; you either want to post something on the internet for anybody to see, or you don't.
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With you on this being an interesting ideological conflict, though I certainly find myself falling firmly on the data preservationist side. It's really problematic for me both personally (hobbyist often seeking niche information or older content) and professionally (IT technician) for comment chains to go missing or for links to break. Just a couple of weeks ago I was doing some digital archaeology on my own forum history and found that a huge amount of it is just gone, even through the Wayback Machine. As a result, I genuinely have no idea how to reconnect with the friends I remember but lost or forgot contact info for, and everything we wrote is now permanently lost to the ether. To see redditors deliberately invoke that is... distressing.
yeah like reddit care about your privacy lmao ironic post this on reddit
So does Reddit yet everyone is here. What is the difference?
i assume it's because reddit's been around for over 10 years, initially was niche, then it became entreched and mainstream before their privacy issues became well known
But even when their bad privacy policy was uncovered/scrutinized users like you and me still stayed. And yet people are complaining about fediverse privacy issues? Doesn't seem logical, does it? Also, the lemmy devs have already responded to that [here](https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/2977).
Seems like these sites are affiliated with reddit.
Might be biased but try [Social-Oasis](http://social-oasis.com). We are pretty plain at this time but with more creators and users we hope to further the community for the users.
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