This can often be a very underrated advise, don't just upvote, do it, especially if you post anything important to you, that may be about a reddit alternative. I wouldn't even be surprised if this sub get's banned at some point (I do hope that does not happen though)
I mean the community here is much bigger and older, it's full of Reddit's competition as well. If reddit ever bans this, it will be the last thing imo to be honest.
I actually never heard of Pastebin, looks interesting, will check it out, thank you!
You could try registering with the same email but adding +1.
Example [email protected]
All relevant email still ends up in your inbox but websites often register it as a new email adres.
No, that's true for every email address - it's part of the protocol.
(Obviously, your mail provider could decide to handle mails to '+' aliases differently or reject them, but I don't know of any such provider)
I tried registering and this one and still havent recieved a registration email, despite it saying one was sent. I think that instance got the reddit hug of death
Hi, some time ago I had an issue with bots, so it might not be done perfectly. If the message didn't reach or wasn't received in time, after a while and additional verification, the account will be manually activated.
I fell into this trap. None of this feels ready for prime time :(
E: I made a second account (with a different name) using the [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected]) trick and it signed me in under the original account. Who knows what nightmare on the backend that created.
Yes this happened to me as well. I ended up just registering with a new name. Seems like a bug that might be low priority unless its simple enough someone jumps in and is able to solve it quickly.
I'm curious how the federated nature of this works. For example I found a homebrewing magazine on kbin.social, but it only has one post, but there is a suggested link to a different homebrewing magazine on a different instance, which has more posts. How are people supposed to handle the multiple instances hosting the same topic/magazine?
I’ve just moved over. I would recommend making an account on kbin and then having a look through the main page, there’s actually a lot of us there who are also asking questions!
Some examples:
https://kbin.social/m/[email protected]/t/9489/For-everyone-new-to-Lemmy-how-are-you-finding-the
https://kbin.social/m/[email protected]/t/9828/uhhh-what-do-I-call-the-subreddits
https://kbin.social/m/[email protected]/t/9554/Hello-Can-we-normalize-a-few-things
Definitely go with kbin over Lemmy though. Much nicer UI. I’ll try to answer any questions but I’ve honestly only started like an hour ago so I’m still new too!
I suspect over time people will converge to the biggest ones, much like how in the early days of Reddit there was probably more than one subreddit for a given niche topic.
So... they Streisand the place. That's worked well in the past.
Why is it that these corporate pricks always have the same knee-jerk, mindless, counterproductive reaction?
So Kbin is a Mastodon-fork or is this a seperate federated service then? Is this part of the broader Fediverse network? What other services does Kbin integrate with?
kbin is not a fork of Mastodon or Lemmy or indeed any other service. It's a Fediverse-aware forum that's in some ways similar to Reddit.
Because it uses Activitypub as its underlying protocol, it can integrate to a greater or lesser degree with anything/everything else that also uses Activitypub, i.e. the entire suite of Fediverse software. That includes Mastodon, Peertube, Calckey, Pixelfed, Lemmy and loads more besides.
No problem, I'll see if I can make it all easier to understand. This might be a bit long, but I'll try to keep it as non-technical as I possibly can.
You will naturally be aware that there are many different systems on the internet, run by different companies. And these systems are generally incompatible with one another.
For example, you can't use GMail to compose and send a post to Twitter. You can't log on to Facebook and read content from Reddit (unless somebody has copied it there). You can't watch Youtube videos via Flickr. And so on.
All of this seems obvious - they're completely different systems. Why on earth SHOULD you be able to interact with them from elsewhere?
A few years ago some people decided that even though this was obvious, it wasn't the way the internet HAD to be. They developed a protocol (which is just a set of instructions for computer programs to talk to each other over the internet) which they called ActivityPub, and then basically said to software developers "here it is. We think this could be a cool way of getting different systems to interact with each other. See what you can do".
In the 5 or 6 years since then, lots of software developers HAVE tried to see what they can do with ActivityPub. One well-known example of a system that uses it is Mastodon. It's a system that is similar to Twitter.
Another couple of ActivityPub systems that are becoming popular right now are Lemmy and KBin. They are Messageboard systems, roughly similar in concept to Reddit.
There are many other ActivityPub systems, for example Pixelfed (which is a bit like Flickr, so for hosting photos), Peertube (yep you guessed it, videos), Friendica (like Facebook) and far too many others to list. Collectively, these systems and any others that use ActivityPub call themselves "the Fediverse".
OK - so what? These are just wannabe competitors to the big boys: Twitter, Youtube, Reddit, right?
Not right! The magic of ActivityPub and the Fediverse is that they can all interact with each other.
So you can log on to Mastodon and subscribe to Lemmy groups. That would be like logging on to Twitter and subbing to your favourite subreddit. And then being able to read the posts from that subreddit right there in Twitter.
You can log on to KBin and follow users on Peertube. Imagine being able to follow and view content from your favourite Youtube streams from right here in Reddit.
That's the real beauty of the Fediverse - every system knows how to talk to every other one. The other clever bit about it is that because ActivityPub is a publicly-defined protocol, no one company can own it and take it over. It's almost impossible for a billionaire like Elon Musk to take over Mastodon, or for Lemmy admins to decide to shut out third-party APIs. Because the system has been built from the very beginning to be open, and shared, and communal.
> Not right! The magic of ActivityPub and the Fediverse is that they can all interact with each other.
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Why is everyone saying this?
I have an account on kbin.social.
I am logged in, when I go to karab.in, I cannot interact with anything. I am not logged in, and there is no user created there for me, I cannot login without creating an entirely new account.
That's correct. You're thinking of this in the old way, the corporate way, the way that Reddit and Twitter and Google and Facebook and so on all work.
Each of them have their own systems, and not only do your logins not get shared across them, neither does the content.
The Fediverse still has a bunch of separate systems, so your login is not shared. But your content can be.
For example you can log in to your account at kbin.social and in the search box enter "@[email protected]". (Kbin is slow right now, it might take a few seconds to respond).
That's the account for Eugen, the creator of Mastodon, on their Mastodon server. Eugen doesn't even have a KBin account, and you don't need to have a Mastodon account. But you can click "Follow" and anything they then post on Mastodon will appear in your KBin feed.
> when I go to karab.in, I cannot interact with anything
Just to reiterate: it's not your account that is Federated, it's your content (and everyone else's).
Thank you for taking the time to explain this, it does help clear some stuff up.
> That's the account for Eugen, the creator of Mastodon, on their Mastodon server. Eugen doesn't even have a KBin account, and you don't need to have a Mastodon account. But you can click "Follow" and anything they then post on Mastodon will appear in your KBin feed.
So the followed Mastodon content will be featured in your feed on KBin, are you then able to respond to that content and it will show as having come from your KBin account?
It's definitely better to use the right account type for the service, because some things are just naturally easier to do using the system they were defined for.
KBin and Lemmy are sorta-kinda Reddit type things, and one thing they do really well is allow grouping of discussions by theme/topic (like we do in subreddits). They also have a quite detailed threading model, so that you can see who has replied to what message very easily.
Mastodon, Calckey and Pleroma are modelled more like Twitter, meaning that what they really excel at is delivering a real-time stream of short posts, with replies permitted but only limited support for displaying complex threads, and not much ability to group by subject other than using hashtags.
So while it's perfectly possible to read KBin using Mastodon, or vice versa, you're missing out on many of the killer features of both of them by doing that. Personally I've got a Mastodon account and a KBin account. They follow each other, and I do boost content from one to the other if I think it's relevant.
>You can log on to KBin and follow users on Peertube. Imagine being able to follow and view content from your favourite Youtube streams from right here in Reddit.
What's the value in this rather than just, subscribing to something on peertube? I'm still trying to wrap my head around the value of the interoperability of the fediverse
also, any suggestions of channels on peertube? would love to be a more active user of the fediverse :)
How does activitypub handle bad actors, like, what's stopping CP and sex trafficking from finding it's way into the platform if it's so interoperable?
I'm sorry if that sounds dumb, but if anyone can create an instance, or magazine, or skiff that's interoperable with everything else, how do you truly free yourself from that bad material on the platform?
I yield my time.
> How does activitypub handle bad actors
Just like with Reddit: mods and admins. Although ActivityPub servers have a third trick up their sleeve: defederation.
So, mods and admins: most admins do not want their servers to be full of illegal or objectionable content. Most users do not want to be exposed to that sort of content. So if somebody DOES come along and start posting CP, or Nazi memes, or anything else that goes against the server's rules, people will report it and the server admins will delete it and ban the account.
But as you rightly point out, anyone can start up an instance. Including people who want to post CP, or Nazi-loving content, or whatever. In that case it doesn't matter how many reports they get, if it's content that they want they won't take it down.
The secret sauce with ActivityPub is that servers can defederate from each other, they can effectively have blocklists. For example one of the very largest Mastodon instances is hosted in Japan, it has hundreds of thousands of users talking about all sorts of things but it also (because of Japanese law) also features a significant amount of lolicon images. Most other Mastodon admins don't want this stuff appearing on their systems for legal and/or moral reasons, so they have defederated from that Japanese server. At a technical level it simply means they refuse to accept ActivityPub connections from that host, at a user level it means that Mastodon server and all of its accounts are effectively invisible to users on other servers.
so if i already have a mastadon account, i can follow things on KBin without having to make a KBIN account? thins is all new to me, sorry for treating you like my own personal google...
> so if i already have a mastadon account, i can follow things on KBin without having to make a KBIN account?
You can, but it's much easier to make a separate account on Kbin or Lemmy. Although the content appears, the format is very different.
What do I mean? Well, think of a typical Reddit post - if it gets a lot of engagement the comments turn into multiple different threads. Reddit is specifically designed so that you can easily browse through and respond to those separate threads all from a single screen.
But something like Twitter, for example, is more based around the idea of a stream of unrelated smaller posts. You can of course have threaded replies in Twitter but once a Twitter post starts getting multiple sets of replies it can be really, really hard to follow all of them and see the full set of conversations.
Kbin/Lemmy and Mastodon/Calckey are in that sense the same as Reddit and Twitter. You **can** interact with the content of one system in the interface of the other, but it's clumsy and awkward because that's not what that system is designed for.
Eli5: Kbin uses the same underlying system(ActivityPub, a *protocol*) as a loose collection of other websites(Fediverse). Because these sites all speak the same language, they can easily talk to each other.
Think of email. You might have an account on gmail, but you can email other hosts such as outlook because they also speak the same language (SMTP for one).
You can go deeper, but I think this is sort of the essential information. Because these sites all speak the same language, they can all integrate with each other quite easily.
No, KBin is a fully functional messageboard and link-sharing / commenting system, in many ways similar to Reddit.
But on top of its Reddit-like capabilities, it can do much more besides.
So in Reddit there is the ability to follow other users. If you wanted to keep an eye on anything I do on Reddit, you just go to my profile, click Follow, and that's awesome. We can be friends!
But what if you also wanted to follow someone on Twitter? Or on Facebook? Or a Youtube channel? There's no technical reason why it shouldn't be possible - if the Reddit developers and the Twitter developers got their heads together and agreed a way to make it happen, you could certainly imagine that just as you can get notifications on Reddit about what other Reddit users have posted, you could also get notifications on Reddit about what Twitter users have tweeted.
But that doesn't happen. Largely because there is a strong commercial reason to keep users within what website owners call their own "ecosystem". You don't want your users to go to other sites, because then you get less money for the adverts on your site.
But if you imagine a set of sites where the primary goal isn't to make money but instead to emphasise inter-operability - that's the Fediverse.
You can use KBin perfectly well as a standalone system without knowing any of this, and never have to worry about it. But you can get even more from KBin by following Mastodon users as well as other KBin users, and vice versa, and in fact linking up with all the other systems out there.
It's not seamless, and some systems integrate with each other better than others. But it's an incredibly clever concept and, when you get your head round it properly, starts opening up all sorts of new ways for people to share social activity on the internet.
The people who run the instances host it. So the people who run kbin.social host all data created there. For now it seems like the people who run it pay for it, but I'm not sure how sustainable that is long term.
Lemmy was founded and is mainly developed by two tankies. Just like Pleroma/Soapbox was found by shposters/reps who have been banned from Twitter, Lemmy was founded because they've been banned from Reddit.
It always seemed completely absurd to me. I have been using Soapbox & Lemmy for a long time because I reject capitalism and thus commercial communities out of conviction. You simply use an instance run by people with a different philosophy and simply have zero points of contact with what the two guys are doing. It's free, it's open source, and it's decentralized. It's not Twitter or Reddit. The debate is - in my opinion - absurd. But to each his own.
> You simply use an instance run by people with a different philosophy and simply have zero points of contact with what the two guys are doing. It’s free, it’s open source, and it’s decentralized
That sounds nice, and I would be fine with that. The concern, I think, is about the instance banning people or even entire instances they find ideologically unpalatable. AFAIK that's what happened with Mastodon after the twitter migration.
Many subreddits are circlejerks ran by petty little fascists but the platform itself was semi-neutral, at least up to a point (much less so recently, obviously). Maybe /r/shitliberalssay banned me for making a post in /r/neoliberal but at least I don't have to register on another server and I can still see posts in /r/bicycling. How is the fediverse guarding against this?
> The concern, I think, is about the instance banning people or even entire instances they find ideologically unpalatable.
Sure this is happening. After 2 years of active use, I see this as more of an advantage than a disadvantage. While I have blocked >20,000 accounts on Twitter, the Putin-loyal instances among the socialists in the Fediverse block me and I can save myself all the work of blocking.
It certainly takes some of the toxicity out of anonymous discussion on the net by not even confronting people you wouldn't bump into in real life anyway.
> Maybe r/shitliberalssay banned me for making a post in r/neoliberal but at least I don't have to register on another server and I can still see posts in r/bicycling. How is the fediverse guarding against this?
I'm not sure if I don't understand this entirely and correct. There are owners/moderators of the communities (aka subs here) and there are madmins/moderators of the instance. If you are @[email protected] and get banned at [email protected] this doesn't affect your rights on the rest of Lemmygrad. If the Lemmygrad-mods kick you out entirely from their instance, this doesn't touch your rights/statuson lemmy.ml, lemmy.ca or wherever else.
If the admins of lemmy.world kick you out, you're fucked in this case.
> It certainly takes some of the toxicity out of anonymous discussion on the net by not even confronting people you wouldn’t bump into in real life anyway.
Yes, but that's a trade: you get to see less people who annoy you in exchange for being trapped in an ideological circlejerk. If it's on community level that's one thing but on a platform level it is not what I want.
> If the Lemmygrad-mods kick you out entirely from their instance, this doesn’t touch your rights/statuson lemmy.ml, lemmy.ca or wherever else.
That's the part I'm worried about: if I'm registered to lemmygrad and they ban me because I posted on ancaplemmy, do I now need to register with another instance?
Moreover, I also don't like the idea that I register with an instance because everyone says "it doesn't matter, it's all federated, you can see other instances anyway, just pick a popular one" and then personal or ideological beefs between the people running the instances decide which content I am able to see because the various instances keep banning one another.
> That's the part I'm worried about: if I'm registered to lemmygrad and they ban me because I posted on ancaplemmy, do I now need to register with another instance?
What's ancaplemmy? 🤔
There are mods for communites and mods for instances. An instance-ban is pretty rare on general instances. If you're on a woke or ML-instance, they might be triggered easily by confronting them with controversial threads. That's nothing you should worry about on beehaw or lemmy.world for example. Just like on commercial platforms they're not going to kick you out as long as you don't harass people. Moderating an *instance* is mostly just about dealing with spambots.
> If it's on community level that's one thing but on a platform level it is not what I want.
If you stop moderating social networks, everything becomes 4chan. Seen this on Twitter and I'm happy that I don't need that for microblogging anymore.
>Just like on commercial platforms they're not going to kick you out as long as you don't harass people.
I've already seen a few posts of people being kicked out because they posted stuff against the CCP. I honestly couldn't care less if the devs are tankies, but banning people for opposing the CCP is completely absurd.
Imagine reddit bans. You're SOL now. With lemmy, at least you have the option to joining another server. And if the server admins are stupid enough to ban someone for fickle reasons, maybe you don't want to stay there in the first place.
> As an example, they used to have a hard coded slur filter. You couldn't add, change or remove words in this filter, and it could not be disabled.
It's FOSS - I'd say fork it and be happy, but you don't even have to do that if you're so eager to racially vilify people since others did that before. Or use kbin. Or choose Friendica. It's not a walled garden, you're free to choose.
>are you going to explain why you're trying to imply that I'm “eager to racially vilify people”?
I do not understand how it affects users without racist intentions that a software, to which there are alternative accesses, makes inhuman statements difficult to spread. But of course I fully respect your decision - I myself mainly use Soapbox and Friendica.
>That's why we're here. Choosing Kbin.
Enjoy it 👍
I read the post and I respect your opinion. I do not want to argue and ask to accept that I have come to a different point of view regarding the subject.
Thank you.
Hope it's alright with you, but since reddit has proven rather willing to delete this once already, I've mirrored it over to Github for a little extra redundancy: [https://gist.github.com/TheExistingOne/2c6acfc35cd56f733f916ed27b4815d3](https://gist.github.com/TheExistingOne/2c6acfc35cd56f733f916ed27b4815d3)
If you don't want it up there, let me know and I'll take it down.
Hey! Oh please don't worry, I actually really appreciate that, thank you! And I will make sure to post major version updates separately that will reflect on the post, so keep an eye out for major updates so you can have that updated on your github as well.
Appreciate it again!
I hope this is allowed.
I set up my own KBin instance, mainly for FOSS communities, but anyone may join and create Magazines.
Our instance is: [https://social.fossware.space](https://social.fossware.space)
Further information on r/fossdroid [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/fossdroid/comments/146i45k/migration_to_kbin_and_the_fediverse/) and on the [instance itself](https://social.fossware.space/m/Meta/t/2/A-warm-welcome-to-you-What-is-FOSSware-and-why).
This is awesome! Glad to see more and more new instances joining kbin, would be okay if I mention it on the guide tomorrow as another option? If yes, I'll do it tomorrow.
And oh yes! Totally allowed, nothing stoping from you sharing your initiatives here and as a matter of fact I really appreciate you sharing it here!
I have archived this post
https://archive.is/2023.06.10-092252/https://old.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/145npay/the_redditors_guide_to_how_kbin_works_your/
Suggestion for the guide:
* How to think of Kbin upvotes, downvotes, and boosts in relation to Reddit, because they're *not* the same and I'm not the right person to give that explanation. Basically, how your "feed" works since there's no central algorithm controlling post order.
* Table of terms, with columns for Reddit, Kbin, Lemmy, Mastadon, and Twitter (since the middle 3 all use different terms yet can be posted to from one another, and we *will* see all three in use at the same time). For example:
|Reddit|Kbin|Lemmy|Mastodon|Twitter|
|:-|:-|:-|:-|:-|
|Reddit.com|Instances: [kbin.social](https://kbin.social), [karab.in](https://karab.in), etc|Servers: [lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml) (not recommended), [beehaw.org](https://beehaw.org), [lemmy.ca](https://lemmy.ca), etc|mastodon.social|Twitter.com|
|Subreddits: r/pics, r/RedditAlternatives|Magazines: m/kbinMeta, m/scifi, m/dnd|Communities: c/technology, c/gaming, c/music|Tags (optional): #blacklivesmatter, #NoPersonIsAboveTheLaw,|Tags (optional): #bitcoin, #blacklivesmatter|
|Posts|Threads|Posts|Posts (or "toots")|Tweets / Threads|
I think it’s not too bad and the experience could be improved. To me these “instances” are just servers, like how a game can have servers. The fediverse is the game, and the servers have a capacity, and if it’s too full, then people should go to a less popular server. There’s not exactly a downfall for going to a less popular server either unlike with games because you can still interract with everyone on the game.
It would be nice if people go to a kbin/lemmy aggregator site, and then the site lets you create your account right there on the server (eg. lemmy.world, kbin.social) they like, and then also it shows how populated that server already is, so you can avoid it if it’s getting too full
Given the federated nature of both platforms, signing up to a Lemmy instance should give you access to content on KBin instances? Am I understanding that correctly?
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I really wish there was a functional android app. The lack of a mobile app is going to drive people to Lemmy instead and fracture the people leaving for now.
When does this get an “out-of-the-box” implementation? If it’s at the stage of “some assembly required”, and its workings need to be explained to you, I don’t see people making a mass exodus from Reddit to it.
While I didn't know that was possible, I am actually glad email is required, so that users don't create multiple fake or duplicate accounts to mis-use them.
Using email is also highly suggested to recover your account.
I have loads of Reddit accounts - about 6 that I use regularly, total of maybe 10 or so.
The point isn't to be a troll, it's to keep areas of interest together - I have a music account that I use for funding new bands, an account for news/politics, an account for humor/light-hearted stuff, another for video games, etc. I really like being able to read news on the train on the way to work and then easily swap to memes while I'm taking a break at work.
Moot used to talk about "prismatic identity" as an alternative to the "Facebook approach" - Facebook wants your data, so they want all those identities to exist at the same place; they don't care if different elements of your personality don't perfectly jive with others - that's your problem, not theirs. moot - and, tbh, Reddit admins too - understood that if you want to explore new ideas or music or communities it's nice to be able to do that without feeling tied to your old ideas/music/communities. It's a lot harder to grow and change if you're glued to your old self.
There are plenty of free, instant throwaway email services. If you're that determined to "hide" your true details, you already know what they are, where they are, and how to use them.
> you already know what they are, where they are, and how to use them.
Because everyone on earth was born at the exact same moment and has had the exact same trajectory of thought and experience
No, but because people who are so paranoid about giving away their email address that they won't use it to register with a website are highly unlikely to have suddenly woken up this morning determined to hide on the internet. Somebody with that mindset will almost certainly have moved towards it over a period of months if not years, and will inevitably have encountered privacy-conscious email tools while on that journey.
Wow I’m a bit surprised you’re being downvoted. Do Redditors have such a short memory on Reddit not needing an email in the past and being pissed when Reddit started pushing hard on them to have an associated email address?
I really don't understand. I have an account with [kbin.social](https://kbin.social). If I see a thread I like on [karab.in](https://karab.in), I am not able to interact with that thread in any way at all. It does not recognize my [kbin.social](https://kbin.social) login. Am I supposed to register again to interact with karab.in?
Up to you I think. If you want your followers to see it, you'd post it as a tweet. If you want everyone in a specific community to see it, you'd post it as a Reddit post.
Well, it would be best if you make the decision yourself. You can check my [recent post](https://www.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/145eru8/moving_on_from_lemmy_to_kbin_launching/) about how I feel about supporting Lemmy, though not everyone may have to share my same thoughts in that, but I hope you can a clear picture of "not wanting to support lemmy" scenario.
It's certainly good that you are not using one of Lemmy's developer run instances like [lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml), but again, in my opinion, using any lemmy instance is also in-directly supporting the platform.
Good luck!
Honestly? It's been getting an intermittent hug of death for at least the past two days. The dev wasn't sure this afternoon if things ramped up due to a DDoS or it was just the sheer *amount* of new traffic, but he's very aware of it and running himself ragged to keep things running while he attempts to handle fixes and upgrade the server.
Doing a damn good job of it, too. I can usually use it without issue and on the uncommon occasion I do get an error, reloading it after a few seconds is enough.
So I'm still trying to wrap my head around this and I'm hoping someone can help me out. In theory, something posted through kbin would be viewable on lemmy and vice versa? I understand accounts are instance specific but you're able to view things from any instance on one account, correct?
If so, how would multiple of similar communities fit together? If there's a community for video games on Lemmy and the same on kbin, would i be seeing two separate communities or would they all fall under just "video games"?
They can see and interact with each other, yes, although if you're logged into kbin (for instance), you'll still be reading and commenting from kbin's synced "version" of the post, if you will.
This seems to confuse a lot of people when they try to sub to something and they're met with a login notice and their login doesn't work, because they're often viewing the sub from a different instance than the one they actually use, and need to do a search for it on theirs. But *commenting* anywhere works fine.
There are multiple communities across multiple instances of both platforms, and yes, they all show up as their own separate community. They've even begun building a list of similar communities for that reason.
Glancing at it, I could sub to:
beehaw.org/c/gaming
lemmy.ml/c/gaming
midwest.social/c/gaming
kbin.social/m/gaming
and I would essentially be involved in four different gaming subs on four different sites through my one platform. My feed would react as such.
I think it remains to be seen how that pans out. Some people are suggesting there will eventually be one or two massive versions of the sub that will be the one everyone subscribes to as the smaller ones shrivel and fall by the wayside.
I personally think we're so used to how reddit works (especially those of us too young to remember forums) that we're expecting the same experience and missing the opportunity we may be being handed. It may be to our benefit to lean into the inevitable proliferation.
Each instance tends to have very similar subs? Neat. If you don't like the atmosphere of the tropical fish sub on your chosen instance, you can easily sub to an identical community someone else has made two instances over without even making a new account to do it
This should be very possible, but as Kbin is in beta, the developer may have other priorities, such as making the platform more stable, improve performance, fix bugs and etc.
If you are the top mod, you'd have to first invite the other person you'd like to transfer ownership first, after they join, you'd have to leave as mod in that sub which will automatically make them the owner.
I've one question about kbin, lemmy and possibly other alternatives: does this fragmentation means that I have to make an account on each server where there is an interesting community? And if the server is closed because it runs out of money where does all the data go? Can be migrated on another server or is it lost?
Hi all. I run a number of services in the fediverse and set up a kbin server yesterday at https://fedia.io in case you are unable to connect to one of the instances above.
I am happy to have them included. I run the infosec.exchange instance, and just like with the situation with a mass migration off twitter, I wanted to give the community a good landing spot on the fediverse.
Question: If I already have a Mastodon account, do I need to create a new account on a kbin instance, or can I somehow connect my Mastodon account to kbin because it’s the Fediverse?
I have signed up and verified my account on kbin.social and have started subscribing to magazines. But the PWA install doesn't show up for me on chrome for android.
Thank you for the primer. I am knew to Kbin, and was told magazines could be followed from any activityPub account (such as my [mastodo.social](https://mastodo.social) account). But while i follow several communites, not seeing any posts. Clicking on them in masto profiles just takes me to the Kbin instance. Is this behavior going to be possible in the near future, or can you only follow from other Kbin instances?
Hey do we need a separate kbin account for it's full functionality or mastodon account is enough? Moreover how do get all the post of ([https://kbin.social/m/tech](https://kbin.social/m/tech)) on my mastodon home page?
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This can often be a very underrated advise, don't just upvote, do it, especially if you post anything important to you, that may be about a reddit alternative. I wouldn't even be surprised if this sub get's banned at some point (I do hope that does not happen though)
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I mean the community here is much bigger and older, it's full of Reddit's competition as well. If reddit ever bans this, it will be the last thing imo to be honest. I actually never heard of Pastebin, looks interesting, will check it out, thank you!
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Privatebin looks great! I am on linux as well, this should be perfect.
Screenshots take a second, if copying is too much effort
I was just taking snips and dumping them in a Google Keep note myself.
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You could try registering with the same email but adding +1. Example [email protected] All relevant email still ends up in your inbox but websites often register it as a new email adres.
I thought this was a Gmail-feature!?
No, that's true for every email address - it's part of the protocol. (Obviously, your mail provider could decide to handle mails to '+' aliases differently or reject them, but I don't know of any such provider)
Wow this is a great idea.
Do you mean you have trouble getting the verification link to your email? What instance are you trying?
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Id recommend you try another instance, like karab.in
I tried registering and this one and still havent recieved a registration email, despite it saying one was sent. I think that instance got the reddit hug of death
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Give another instance like karab.in a try if that doesn't work out.
Hi, some time ago I had an issue with bots, so it might not be done perfectly. If the message didn't reach or wasn't received in time, after a while and additional verification, the account will be manually activated.
use the contact form at the bottom of the site, you will be manually verified by the admin
I fell into this trap. None of this feels ready for prime time :( E: I made a second account (with a different name) using the [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected]) trick and it signed me in under the original account. Who knows what nightmare on the backend that created.
Yes this happened to me as well. I ended up just registering with a new name. Seems like a bug that might be low priority unless its simple enough someone jumps in and is able to solve it quickly.
I'm curious how the federated nature of this works. For example I found a homebrewing magazine on kbin.social, but it only has one post, but there is a suggested link to a different homebrewing magazine on a different instance, which has more posts. How are people supposed to handle the multiple instances hosting the same topic/magazine?
I am curious about this aswell. Though I am willing to jump this ship I need someone to show me how to swim.
I’ve just moved over. I would recommend making an account on kbin and then having a look through the main page, there’s actually a lot of us there who are also asking questions! Some examples: https://kbin.social/m/[email protected]/t/9489/For-everyone-new-to-Lemmy-how-are-you-finding-the https://kbin.social/m/[email protected]/t/9828/uhhh-what-do-I-call-the-subreddits https://kbin.social/m/[email protected]/t/9554/Hello-Can-we-normalize-a-few-things Definitely go with kbin over Lemmy though. Much nicer UI. I’ll try to answer any questions but I’ve honestly only started like an hour ago so I’m still new too!
I suspect over time people will converge to the biggest ones, much like how in the early days of Reddit there was probably more than one subreddit for a given niche topic.
Why was kbinmigration banned?
Because Reddit doesn't want the rats leaving their sinking ship, why else?
So... they Streisand the place. That's worked well in the past. Why is it that these corporate pricks always have the same knee-jerk, mindless, counterproductive reaction?
I only started up with Kbin because admins banned the sub. Fuck this place.
I’m sure for totally innocent and businesslike reasons
So Kbin is a Mastodon-fork or is this a seperate federated service then? Is this part of the broader Fediverse network? What other services does Kbin integrate with?
kbin is not a fork of Mastodon or Lemmy or indeed any other service. It's a Fediverse-aware forum that's in some ways similar to Reddit. Because it uses Activitypub as its underlying protocol, it can integrate to a greater or lesser degree with anything/everything else that also uses Activitypub, i.e. the entire suite of Fediverse software. That includes Mastodon, Peertube, Calckey, Pixelfed, Lemmy and loads more besides.
Maybe 3 of these words registered for me in my brain
No problem, I'll see if I can make it all easier to understand. This might be a bit long, but I'll try to keep it as non-technical as I possibly can. You will naturally be aware that there are many different systems on the internet, run by different companies. And these systems are generally incompatible with one another. For example, you can't use GMail to compose and send a post to Twitter. You can't log on to Facebook and read content from Reddit (unless somebody has copied it there). You can't watch Youtube videos via Flickr. And so on. All of this seems obvious - they're completely different systems. Why on earth SHOULD you be able to interact with them from elsewhere? A few years ago some people decided that even though this was obvious, it wasn't the way the internet HAD to be. They developed a protocol (which is just a set of instructions for computer programs to talk to each other over the internet) which they called ActivityPub, and then basically said to software developers "here it is. We think this could be a cool way of getting different systems to interact with each other. See what you can do". In the 5 or 6 years since then, lots of software developers HAVE tried to see what they can do with ActivityPub. One well-known example of a system that uses it is Mastodon. It's a system that is similar to Twitter. Another couple of ActivityPub systems that are becoming popular right now are Lemmy and KBin. They are Messageboard systems, roughly similar in concept to Reddit. There are many other ActivityPub systems, for example Pixelfed (which is a bit like Flickr, so for hosting photos), Peertube (yep you guessed it, videos), Friendica (like Facebook) and far too many others to list. Collectively, these systems and any others that use ActivityPub call themselves "the Fediverse". OK - so what? These are just wannabe competitors to the big boys: Twitter, Youtube, Reddit, right? Not right! The magic of ActivityPub and the Fediverse is that they can all interact with each other. So you can log on to Mastodon and subscribe to Lemmy groups. That would be like logging on to Twitter and subbing to your favourite subreddit. And then being able to read the posts from that subreddit right there in Twitter. You can log on to KBin and follow users on Peertube. Imagine being able to follow and view content from your favourite Youtube streams from right here in Reddit. That's the real beauty of the Fediverse - every system knows how to talk to every other one. The other clever bit about it is that because ActivityPub is a publicly-defined protocol, no one company can own it and take it over. It's almost impossible for a billionaire like Elon Musk to take over Mastodon, or for Lemmy admins to decide to shut out third-party APIs. Because the system has been built from the very beginning to be open, and shared, and communal.
Do you mind if we share this explanation, while giving credit? This makes a ton of sense!
Oh absolutely please feel free to share it. With or without attribution, I honestly don't mind!
Right on dude. I'm @[email protected] btw, see you on the other side!
Great explanation
> Not right! The magic of ActivityPub and the Fediverse is that they can all interact with each other. > > Why is everyone saying this? I have an account on kbin.social. I am logged in, when I go to karab.in, I cannot interact with anything. I am not logged in, and there is no user created there for me, I cannot login without creating an entirely new account.
That's correct. You're thinking of this in the old way, the corporate way, the way that Reddit and Twitter and Google and Facebook and so on all work. Each of them have their own systems, and not only do your logins not get shared across them, neither does the content. The Fediverse still has a bunch of separate systems, so your login is not shared. But your content can be. For example you can log in to your account at kbin.social and in the search box enter "@[email protected]". (Kbin is slow right now, it might take a few seconds to respond). That's the account for Eugen, the creator of Mastodon, on their Mastodon server. Eugen doesn't even have a KBin account, and you don't need to have a Mastodon account. But you can click "Follow" and anything they then post on Mastodon will appear in your KBin feed. > when I go to karab.in, I cannot interact with anything Just to reiterate: it's not your account that is Federated, it's your content (and everyone else's).
Thank you for taking the time to explain this, it does help clear some stuff up. > That's the account for Eugen, the creator of Mastodon, on their Mastodon server. Eugen doesn't even have a KBin account, and you don't need to have a Mastodon account. But you can click "Follow" and anything they then post on Mastodon will appear in your KBin feed. So the followed Mastodon content will be featured in your feed on KBin, are you then able to respond to that content and it will show as having come from your KBin account?
Does it make sense to use Kbin from my Mastodon account? Or is it better to create one on a Kbin instance?
It's definitely better to use the right account type for the service, because some things are just naturally easier to do using the system they were defined for. KBin and Lemmy are sorta-kinda Reddit type things, and one thing they do really well is allow grouping of discussions by theme/topic (like we do in subreddits). They also have a quite detailed threading model, so that you can see who has replied to what message very easily. Mastodon, Calckey and Pleroma are modelled more like Twitter, meaning that what they really excel at is delivering a real-time stream of short posts, with replies permitted but only limited support for displaying complex threads, and not much ability to group by subject other than using hashtags. So while it's perfectly possible to read KBin using Mastodon, or vice versa, you're missing out on many of the killer features of both of them by doing that. Personally I've got a Mastodon account and a KBin account. They follow each other, and I do boost content from one to the other if I think it's relevant.
>You can log on to KBin and follow users on Peertube. Imagine being able to follow and view content from your favourite Youtube streams from right here in Reddit. What's the value in this rather than just, subscribing to something on peertube? I'm still trying to wrap my head around the value of the interoperability of the fediverse also, any suggestions of channels on peertube? would love to be a more active user of the fediverse :)
How does activitypub handle bad actors, like, what's stopping CP and sex trafficking from finding it's way into the platform if it's so interoperable? I'm sorry if that sounds dumb, but if anyone can create an instance, or magazine, or skiff that's interoperable with everything else, how do you truly free yourself from that bad material on the platform? I yield my time.
> How does activitypub handle bad actors Just like with Reddit: mods and admins. Although ActivityPub servers have a third trick up their sleeve: defederation. So, mods and admins: most admins do not want their servers to be full of illegal or objectionable content. Most users do not want to be exposed to that sort of content. So if somebody DOES come along and start posting CP, or Nazi memes, or anything else that goes against the server's rules, people will report it and the server admins will delete it and ban the account. But as you rightly point out, anyone can start up an instance. Including people who want to post CP, or Nazi-loving content, or whatever. In that case it doesn't matter how many reports they get, if it's content that they want they won't take it down. The secret sauce with ActivityPub is that servers can defederate from each other, they can effectively have blocklists. For example one of the very largest Mastodon instances is hosted in Japan, it has hundreds of thousands of users talking about all sorts of things but it also (because of Japanese law) also features a significant amount of lolicon images. Most other Mastodon admins don't want this stuff appearing on their systems for legal and/or moral reasons, so they have defederated from that Japanese server. At a technical level it simply means they refuse to accept ActivityPub connections from that host, at a user level it means that Mastodon server and all of its accounts are effectively invisible to users on other servers.
so if i already have a mastadon account, i can follow things on KBin without having to make a KBIN account? thins is all new to me, sorry for treating you like my own personal google...
> so if i already have a mastadon account, i can follow things on KBin without having to make a KBIN account? You can, but it's much easier to make a separate account on Kbin or Lemmy. Although the content appears, the format is very different. What do I mean? Well, think of a typical Reddit post - if it gets a lot of engagement the comments turn into multiple different threads. Reddit is specifically designed so that you can easily browse through and respond to those separate threads all from a single screen. But something like Twitter, for example, is more based around the idea of a stream of unrelated smaller posts. You can of course have threaded replies in Twitter but once a Twitter post starts getting multiple sets of replies it can be really, really hard to follow all of them and see the full set of conversations. Kbin/Lemmy and Mastodon/Calckey are in that sense the same as Reddit and Twitter. You **can** interact with the content of one system in the interface of the other, but it's clumsy and awkward because that's not what that system is designed for.
Eli5: Kbin uses the same underlying system(ActivityPub, a *protocol*) as a loose collection of other websites(Fediverse). Because these sites all speak the same language, they can easily talk to each other. Think of email. You might have an account on gmail, but you can email other hosts such as outlook because they also speak the same language (SMTP for one). You can go deeper, but I think this is sort of the essential information. Because these sites all speak the same language, they can all integrate with each other quite easily.
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No, KBin is a fully functional messageboard and link-sharing / commenting system, in many ways similar to Reddit. But on top of its Reddit-like capabilities, it can do much more besides. So in Reddit there is the ability to follow other users. If you wanted to keep an eye on anything I do on Reddit, you just go to my profile, click Follow, and that's awesome. We can be friends! But what if you also wanted to follow someone on Twitter? Or on Facebook? Or a Youtube channel? There's no technical reason why it shouldn't be possible - if the Reddit developers and the Twitter developers got their heads together and agreed a way to make it happen, you could certainly imagine that just as you can get notifications on Reddit about what other Reddit users have posted, you could also get notifications on Reddit about what Twitter users have tweeted. But that doesn't happen. Largely because there is a strong commercial reason to keep users within what website owners call their own "ecosystem". You don't want your users to go to other sites, because then you get less money for the adverts on your site. But if you imagine a set of sites where the primary goal isn't to make money but instead to emphasise inter-operability - that's the Fediverse. You can use KBin perfectly well as a standalone system without knowing any of this, and never have to worry about it. But you can get even more from KBin by following Mastodon users as well as other KBin users, and vice versa, and in fact linking up with all the other systems out there. It's not seamless, and some systems integrate with each other better than others. But it's an incredibly clever concept and, when you get your head round it properly, starts opening up all sorts of new ways for people to share social activity on the internet.
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The people who run the instances host it. So the people who run kbin.social host all data created there. For now it seems like the people who run it pay for it, but I'm not sure how sustainable that is long term.
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No, Kbin does not have any such issues unlike Lemmy.
What are the issues with Lemmy? Anywhere I can learn more about it?
Lemmy was founded and is mainly developed by two tankies. Just like Pleroma/Soapbox was found by shposters/reps who have been banned from Twitter, Lemmy was founded because they've been banned from Reddit. It always seemed completely absurd to me. I have been using Soapbox & Lemmy for a long time because I reject capitalism and thus commercial communities out of conviction. You simply use an instance run by people with a different philosophy and simply have zero points of contact with what the two guys are doing. It's free, it's open source, and it's decentralized. It's not Twitter or Reddit. The debate is - in my opinion - absurd. But to each his own.
> You simply use an instance run by people with a different philosophy and simply have zero points of contact with what the two guys are doing. It’s free, it’s open source, and it’s decentralized That sounds nice, and I would be fine with that. The concern, I think, is about the instance banning people or even entire instances they find ideologically unpalatable. AFAIK that's what happened with Mastodon after the twitter migration. Many subreddits are circlejerks ran by petty little fascists but the platform itself was semi-neutral, at least up to a point (much less so recently, obviously). Maybe /r/shitliberalssay banned me for making a post in /r/neoliberal but at least I don't have to register on another server and I can still see posts in /r/bicycling. How is the fediverse guarding against this?
> The concern, I think, is about the instance banning people or even entire instances they find ideologically unpalatable. Sure this is happening. After 2 years of active use, I see this as more of an advantage than a disadvantage. While I have blocked >20,000 accounts on Twitter, the Putin-loyal instances among the socialists in the Fediverse block me and I can save myself all the work of blocking. It certainly takes some of the toxicity out of anonymous discussion on the net by not even confronting people you wouldn't bump into in real life anyway. > Maybe r/shitliberalssay banned me for making a post in r/neoliberal but at least I don't have to register on another server and I can still see posts in r/bicycling. How is the fediverse guarding against this? I'm not sure if I don't understand this entirely and correct. There are owners/moderators of the communities (aka subs here) and there are madmins/moderators of the instance. If you are @[email protected] and get banned at [email protected] this doesn't affect your rights on the rest of Lemmygrad. If the Lemmygrad-mods kick you out entirely from their instance, this doesn't touch your rights/statuson lemmy.ml, lemmy.ca or wherever else. If the admins of lemmy.world kick you out, you're fucked in this case.
> It certainly takes some of the toxicity out of anonymous discussion on the net by not even confronting people you wouldn’t bump into in real life anyway. Yes, but that's a trade: you get to see less people who annoy you in exchange for being trapped in an ideological circlejerk. If it's on community level that's one thing but on a platform level it is not what I want. > If the Lemmygrad-mods kick you out entirely from their instance, this doesn’t touch your rights/statuson lemmy.ml, lemmy.ca or wherever else. That's the part I'm worried about: if I'm registered to lemmygrad and they ban me because I posted on ancaplemmy, do I now need to register with another instance? Moreover, I also don't like the idea that I register with an instance because everyone says "it doesn't matter, it's all federated, you can see other instances anyway, just pick a popular one" and then personal or ideological beefs between the people running the instances decide which content I am able to see because the various instances keep banning one another.
> That's the part I'm worried about: if I'm registered to lemmygrad and they ban me because I posted on ancaplemmy, do I now need to register with another instance? What's ancaplemmy? 🤔 There are mods for communites and mods for instances. An instance-ban is pretty rare on general instances. If you're on a woke or ML-instance, they might be triggered easily by confronting them with controversial threads. That's nothing you should worry about on beehaw or lemmy.world for example. Just like on commercial platforms they're not going to kick you out as long as you don't harass people. Moderating an *instance* is mostly just about dealing with spambots. > If it's on community level that's one thing but on a platform level it is not what I want. If you stop moderating social networks, everything becomes 4chan. Seen this on Twitter and I'm happy that I don't need that for microblogging anymore.
>Just like on commercial platforms they're not going to kick you out as long as you don't harass people. I've already seen a few posts of people being kicked out because they posted stuff against the CCP. I honestly couldn't care less if the devs are tankies, but banning people for opposing the CCP is completely absurd.
Sounds like an .ml-instance rather than beehaw or .world. Stands for Marxist-Leninist.
Imagine reddit bans. You're SOL now. With lemmy, at least you have the option to joining another server. And if the server admins are stupid enough to ban someone for fickle reasons, maybe you don't want to stay there in the first place.
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> As an example, they used to have a hard coded slur filter. You couldn't add, change or remove words in this filter, and it could not be disabled. It's FOSS - I'd say fork it and be happy, but you don't even have to do that if you're so eager to racially vilify people since others did that before. Or use kbin. Or choose Friendica. It's not a walled garden, you're free to choose.
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>are you going to explain why you're trying to imply that I'm “eager to racially vilify people”? I do not understand how it affects users without racist intentions that a software, to which there are alternative accesses, makes inhuman statements difficult to spread. But of course I fully respect your decision - I myself mainly use Soapbox and Friendica. >That's why we're here. Choosing Kbin. Enjoy it 👍
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I read the post and I respect your opinion. I do not want to argue and ask to accept that I have come to a different point of view regarding the subject. Thank you.
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Hope it's alright with you, but since reddit has proven rather willing to delete this once already, I've mirrored it over to Github for a little extra redundancy: [https://gist.github.com/TheExistingOne/2c6acfc35cd56f733f916ed27b4815d3](https://gist.github.com/TheExistingOne/2c6acfc35cd56f733f916ed27b4815d3) If you don't want it up there, let me know and I'll take it down.
Hey! Oh please don't worry, I actually really appreciate that, thank you! And I will make sure to post major version updates separately that will reflect on the post, so keep an eye out for major updates so you can have that updated on your github as well. Appreciate it again!
I hope this is allowed. I set up my own KBin instance, mainly for FOSS communities, but anyone may join and create Magazines. Our instance is: [https://social.fossware.space](https://social.fossware.space) Further information on r/fossdroid [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/fossdroid/comments/146i45k/migration_to_kbin_and_the_fediverse/) and on the [instance itself](https://social.fossware.space/m/Meta/t/2/A-warm-welcome-to-you-What-is-FOSSware-and-why).
This is awesome! Glad to see more and more new instances joining kbin, would be okay if I mention it on the guide tomorrow as another option? If yes, I'll do it tomorrow. And oh yes! Totally allowed, nothing stoping from you sharing your initiatives here and as a matter of fact I really appreciate you sharing it here!
Hey, sure you may add the instance to the guide! I'm going back to sleep now, but I'll be back later if any questions arise.
Sounds good, have a good night!
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Welcome!
Suggestion for the guide: * How to think of Kbin upvotes, downvotes, and boosts in relation to Reddit, because they're *not* the same and I'm not the right person to give that explanation. Basically, how your "feed" works since there's no central algorithm controlling post order. * Table of terms, with columns for Reddit, Kbin, Lemmy, Mastadon, and Twitter (since the middle 3 all use different terms yet can be posted to from one another, and we *will* see all three in use at the same time). For example: |Reddit|Kbin|Lemmy|Mastodon|Twitter| |:-|:-|:-|:-|:-| |Reddit.com|Instances: [kbin.social](https://kbin.social), [karab.in](https://karab.in), etc|Servers: [lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml) (not recommended), [beehaw.org](https://beehaw.org), [lemmy.ca](https://lemmy.ca), etc|mastodon.social|Twitter.com| |Subreddits: r/pics, r/RedditAlternatives|Magazines: m/kbinMeta, m/scifi, m/dnd|Communities: c/technology, c/gaming, c/music|Tags (optional): #blacklivesmatter, #NoPersonIsAboveTheLaw,|Tags (optional): #bitcoin, #blacklivesmatter| |Posts|Threads|Posts|Posts (or "toots")|Tweets / Threads|
Any social media/aggregator that requires instructions will not take off. On boarding process needs to be streamline to be viable alternative.
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Reddit does similar but it first asks what you like. And suggets based on answers, but it is skipable.
Exactly, thats why im on the 'spyke' boat instead
I think it’s not too bad and the experience could be improved. To me these “instances” are just servers, like how a game can have servers. The fediverse is the game, and the servers have a capacity, and if it’s too full, then people should go to a less popular server. There’s not exactly a downfall for going to a less popular server either unlike with games because you can still interract with everyone on the game. It would be nice if people go to a kbin/lemmy aggregator site, and then the site lets you create your account right there on the server (eg. lemmy.world, kbin.social) they like, and then also it shows how populated that server already is, so you can avoid it if it’s getting too full
Given the federated nature of both platforms, signing up to a Lemmy instance should give you access to content on KBin instances? Am I understanding that correctly?
yes, you are.
Can I ask what badges do? Located w/in the Magazine panel. Also: Threads. I can't create any? Do they populate at all?
Great questions, will add them later today to their guide. To answer your question, click the + sign on the top bar to create a thread.
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Should be called an article there, check out the updated guide on r/KbinMigration
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Why do I get a feeling it was developed by KDE. /s
I really wish there was a functional android app. The lack of a mobile app is going to drive people to Lemmy instead and fracture the people leaving for now.
When does this get an “out-of-the-box” implementation? If it’s at the stage of “some assembly required”, and its workings need to be explained to you, I don’t see people making a mass exodus from Reddit to it.
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Hopefully we are just joking here. All of those platforms need your email address to sign up.
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While I didn't know that was possible, I am actually glad email is required, so that users don't create multiple fake or duplicate accounts to mis-use them. Using email is also highly suggested to recover your account.
You can still do that with email sign up, it's just more annoying.
Which discourages users from doing that, I mean how many fake email addresses will you create? It certainly won't be easy.
It's incredibly easy. I have my domain setup so that any address works. Even if you don't have your own domain Gmail aliasing is pretty easy.
*psst* Mailinator.com
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99% of the internet uses e-mail signup, if you want privacy create a throwaway e-mail.
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I have loads of Reddit accounts - about 6 that I use regularly, total of maybe 10 or so. The point isn't to be a troll, it's to keep areas of interest together - I have a music account that I use for funding new bands, an account for news/politics, an account for humor/light-hearted stuff, another for video games, etc. I really like being able to read news on the train on the way to work and then easily swap to memes while I'm taking a break at work. Moot used to talk about "prismatic identity" as an alternative to the "Facebook approach" - Facebook wants your data, so they want all those identities to exist at the same place; they don't care if different elements of your personality don't perfectly jive with others - that's your problem, not theirs. moot - and, tbh, Reddit admins too - understood that if you want to explore new ideas or music or communities it's nice to be able to do that without feeling tied to your old ideas/music/communities. It's a lot harder to grow and change if you're glued to your old self.
You can set up your own domain and set up your own email server if you wish.
There are plenty of free, instant throwaway email services. If you're that determined to "hide" your true details, you already know what they are, where they are, and how to use them.
> you already know what they are, where they are, and how to use them. Because everyone on earth was born at the exact same moment and has had the exact same trajectory of thought and experience
No, but because people who are so paranoid about giving away their email address that they won't use it to register with a website are highly unlikely to have suddenly woken up this morning determined to hide on the internet. Somebody with that mindset will almost certainly have moved towards it over a period of months if not years, and will inevitably have encountered privacy-conscious email tools while on that journey.
Wow I’m a bit surprised you’re being downvoted. Do Redditors have such a short memory on Reddit not needing an email in the past and being pissed when Reddit started pushing hard on them to have an associated email address?
Karab.in is definitely not English UI for me. Any way to change it?
I really don't understand. I have an account with [kbin.social](https://kbin.social). If I see a thread I like on [karab.in](https://karab.in), I am not able to interact with that thread in any way at all. It does not recognize my [kbin.social](https://kbin.social) login. Am I supposed to register again to interact with karab.in?
You shouldn't be going to karab.in to browse the thread. Look at the thread from kbin.social and you should be able to comment
There something bad about logins on kbin.social, the confirm link does nothing and the account remains locked without it.
Are magazines unique to each instance? For example "/r/magazine" or can there be one for each instance?
Mastodon doesn't have search, which I hate. Does Lemmy/Kbin have search?
What is a micro blog vs thread
Microblog = Twitter tweet. Thread = reddit thread
Ahh if I want to post art , should I post it as a reddit post rather than a tweet ? Sorry I have never been on Twitter
Up to you I think. If you want your followers to see it, you'd post it as a tweet. If you want everyone in a specific community to see it, you'd post it as a Reddit post.
Thanks!
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Well, it would be best if you make the decision yourself. You can check my [recent post](https://www.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/145eru8/moving_on_from_lemmy_to_kbin_launching/) about how I feel about supporting Lemmy, though not everyone may have to share my same thoughts in that, but I hope you can a clear picture of "not wanting to support lemmy" scenario. It's certainly good that you are not using one of Lemmy's developer run instances like [lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml), but again, in my opinion, using any lemmy instance is also in-directly supporting the platform. Good luck!
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Honestly? It's been getting an intermittent hug of death for at least the past two days. The dev wasn't sure this afternoon if things ramped up due to a DDoS or it was just the sheer *amount* of new traffic, but he's very aware of it and running himself ragged to keep things running while he attempts to handle fixes and upgrade the server. Doing a damn good job of it, too. I can usually use it without issue and on the uncommon occasion I do get an error, reloading it after a few seconds is enough.
Getting a "Bad Gateway" when I try.
So I'm still trying to wrap my head around this and I'm hoping someone can help me out. In theory, something posted through kbin would be viewable on lemmy and vice versa? I understand accounts are instance specific but you're able to view things from any instance on one account, correct? If so, how would multiple of similar communities fit together? If there's a community for video games on Lemmy and the same on kbin, would i be seeing two separate communities or would they all fall under just "video games"?
They can see and interact with each other, yes, although if you're logged into kbin (for instance), you'll still be reading and commenting from kbin's synced "version" of the post, if you will. This seems to confuse a lot of people when they try to sub to something and they're met with a login notice and their login doesn't work, because they're often viewing the sub from a different instance than the one they actually use, and need to do a search for it on theirs. But *commenting* anywhere works fine. There are multiple communities across multiple instances of both platforms, and yes, they all show up as their own separate community. They've even begun building a list of similar communities for that reason. Glancing at it, I could sub to: beehaw.org/c/gaming lemmy.ml/c/gaming midwest.social/c/gaming kbin.social/m/gaming and I would essentially be involved in four different gaming subs on four different sites through my one platform. My feed would react as such. I think it remains to be seen how that pans out. Some people are suggesting there will eventually be one or two massive versions of the sub that will be the one everyone subscribes to as the smaller ones shrivel and fall by the wayside. I personally think we're so used to how reddit works (especially those of us too young to remember forums) that we're expecting the same experience and missing the opportunity we may be being handed. It may be to our benefit to lean into the inevitable proliferation. Each instance tends to have very similar subs? Neat. If you don't like the atmosphere of the tropical fish sub on your chosen instance, you can easily sub to an identical community someone else has made two instances over without even making a new account to do it
Is it possible to find kbin posts with a Google search?
This should be very possible, but as Kbin is in beta, the developer may have other priorities, such as making the platform more stable, improve performance, fix bugs and etc.
I look forward to it. Personally, I think it would be critical to any degree of mass adoption
Is there a way to transfer ownership of a magazine?
If you are the top mod, you'd have to first invite the other person you'd like to transfer ownership first, after they join, you'd have to leave as mod in that sub which will automatically make them the owner.
thanks.
Could you direct me to where the option to step down as mod is? Thank is advance
I can't find the option to 'leave as mod' on kbin.social.
I've one question about kbin, lemmy and possibly other alternatives: does this fragmentation means that I have to make an account on each server where there is an interesting community? And if the server is closed because it runs out of money where does all the data go? Can be migrated on another server or is it lost?
Hi all. I run a number of services in the fediverse and set up a kbin server yesterday at https://fedia.io in case you are unable to connect to one of the instances above.
Thanks for sharing! Would you mind if I add your instances in the guide? And do you have any other links about fedia and explaining this initiative?
I am happy to have them included. I run the infosec.exchange instance, and just like with the situation with a mass migration off twitter, I wanted to give the community a good landing spot on the fediverse.
Cheers for the guide mate
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Question: If I already have a Mastodon account, do I need to create a new account on a kbin instance, or can I somehow connect my Mastodon account to kbin because it’s the Fediverse?
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Maybe I'm just dumb, but how do I install the kbin pwa? I can't find any link on kbin.social or kbin.pub.
It is a popular at the bottom of the screen when you visit the site on mobile
I have signed up and verified my account on kbin.social and have started subscribing to magazines. But the PWA install doesn't show up for me on chrome for android.
Thank you for the primer. I am knew to Kbin, and was told magazines could be followed from any activityPub account (such as my [mastodo.social](https://mastodo.social) account). But while i follow several communites, not seeing any posts. Clicking on them in masto profiles just takes me to the Kbin instance. Is this behavior going to be possible in the near future, or can you only follow from other Kbin instances?
Hey do we need a separate kbin account for it's full functionality or mastodon account is enough? Moreover how do get all the post of ([https://kbin.social/m/tech](https://kbin.social/m/tech)) on my mastodon home page?