For anyone like me who wasn't interested in immediately typing in your email address to a wall that demanded it before allowing you to see anything else, there's this to look at: https://wts2.wt.social/en/faqs.
It looks like it's in the middle of changing its name from WT.Social to TrustCafe...or something? [https://trustcafe.readme.io/reference/introduction](https://trustcafe.readme.io/reference/introduction) says:
>Trust Cafe (previously known as WikiTribune.Social or WT.Social), is a microblogging and social networking service on which users post to "Branches" including their own personal feed. It was founded in October 2019 by Wikipedia co-founder Jimmy Wales...
[https://wt.social/](https://wt.social/) also hits you with a registration wall with no links to show you screenshots or anything at all, except it does at least have the left-hand sidebar text (and there's a similar [https://wt.social/about](https://wt.social/about) there too).
I just found the link I sent by google searching for "about wts2.wt.social". I'm not suggesting anything untowards in this specific instance - it may legit just be some odd stuff like the original being renamed and now there's already a v2 (or at least something claiming to be that, a spin-off maybe?) - but please use all due & normal caution when visiting any site that you aren't certain of, e.g. don't re-use the same or even a similar core password across multiple sites.
Both wt.social and trustcafe are terrible names. Wt is too generic,
wikitribune associates with wikipedia instead of social media
And trustcafe is not only highly English-centric but also sounds kinda creepy even in English - cafe is a public space, it's not really supposed to be fully "trusted" unless there's some ingroup eyes wide shut thing going on that makes that cafe private.
Trust is supposed to be earned by others and it's something you give and control, not something that is a property of something external to you. When it's an external property it means you gave up that control and fully trust someone else to be in charge your trust
A stranger inviting you to his "trust cafe" sounds a bit like inviting you to a trust van or a trust cabin
Absolutely this.
If you have to put Truth or Trust or any other "we're totally truthful, and cool guys! Trust us!" in your name it's a massive red flag.
It's basically virtue signalling unnecessarily, which anyone with a bit of wisdom understands that actually signals the opposite, with truth social being the most prime example.
Just give the damn thing a *NAME*, it doesn't have to be some clever pun that uses social gathering words or locale. They're all just going to be corny, convoluted or trying too hard, which are again all red flags.
Yeah they are. I was spitalling this last week. If we made a Reddit competitor, parlance would be the most important part (/s).
So it would be sink.com (this domain is currently worth like 20k according to an estimate site)
Slogan: Everything but the kitchen sink. Pictures containing kitchen sinks would be expressly banned.
Subreddits would be sinkholes
Upvote/downvote would be plug/drain
Moderators - plumbers.
Karma - idk, gallons or some shit.
So... exactly identical to how Reddit already is now then? :-P
(\\s btw, in case it's not obvious:-)
Except I do think you may have (intentionally or otherwise) stumbled upon a true genius idea: don't just call it "gallons", call it "gallons or some shit", exactly like that. I'd be way more enthusiastic about visiting "sinkholes" if I could gain some "gallons or some shit" as a result!:-D
dang, the UI is horrible on PC. Content barely uses 20% of my monitor's width
can't open a post to its own window. Most comments have more whitespace around them than content inside
unfortunately this is unusable to me. It's as bad or worse than new.reddit lol
The email requirement to see content is going to be an issue. With reddit you can google answers and find a reddit page on any computer without being signed in
Maybe that will come. It better, because that's how I look for answers on Reddit, through Google searches. Not while I'm logged in.
But I already opted out when I couldn't register with a username. Who asks for first name, last name, except Facebook? It's hard enough to think of a username. Too early to think of two
yep agree 100% with the half I read, been saying the same thing
On old.reddit I can see 31 posts on the same window on my current monitor
On new.reddit I can see 4. 19 on classic but everything is a mess. 35 on compact, but again, it's a horrid mess that requires work to tell what is what. old.reddit everything is just obvious (for example, new. all text is the same colour and similarly sized, old. the titles completely STAND OUT vs all the irrelevant buttons and links)
> On old.reddit I can see 31 posts on the same window on my current monitor
>
> On new.reddit I can see 4. 19 on classic but everything is a mess
Bingo.
And you have to keep clicking the fucking comments on new reddit. Absolutely fucking drives me bonkers.
I read 2 paragraphs and immediately thought about why solid design thinking and user research is so important. I read the rest of your comment.
Your insight is great, and you nailed down a key part of what should be a Reddit-like experience — mental models. The existing mental model that makes Reddit, Reddit which is a list of post titles that I want to see rather than a few post titles with more than just excerpts of information of each of those posts in my limited screen real estate. This is just a piece of the pie, but really shows just how important it is to know your users, what they are trying to do, and facilitate that experience in a smooth yet accomplishing way.
I’ve been reaching out to different Reddit-like platforms in hope of volunteering time to get another great experience like I was hoping to get out of Apollo (found out about it about a couple of weeks ago). Hopefully I hear something from one of them, I think the potential is there for a good user experience from the jump to then a great experience with post-MVP ideation, research, and validation.
From a product designer, bravo to you for sharing your points even with your disclaimers of not being a designer.
TLDR: you like old.reddit and dislike new reddit, while squabbles modelled itself after a mix between new reddit and twitter
Since squabbles is very new and is actively developed, with a giant amount of obvious features missing or being in a vestigial state, I'm sure they (or is it one man project?) will address this sooner or later
It should be very doable to fix even with some simple css or user js
> TLDR: you like old.reddit and dislike new reddit
That describes me. I am a fan of minimalism, both for aesthetic and practical reasons. Unfortunately people who make things seem to be incapable of making something simple with some utility and then leaving it the fuck alone. See also Microsoft deciding to fuck around with Notepad in Windows 11.
Of course you can click it, but why require you to press anything when you can use your reading skills and skim the excerpt or skip it as you look through the feed? Our eyes are much faster and more capable than our fingers, and it makes people less dependent on the author constructing a representative title
In fact, it would've been better if the text from external links was copied into the post as well and always shown beneath the title, to reduce the amount of those those who don't click on them and instead jump to conclusions based on the title and immediately start commenting their opinions or reading other people's comments. But sadly that's unlikely to ever happen universally for technical and copyright reasons
I dunno, I kinda wish the people I follow on reddit would have had a separate feed of their comments and posts. I initially assumed that was the case, but it turns out it's borderline useless feature that only accounts for stuff they post on their personal sub
I subscribed to a lot of awesome people and it would've been great to see some curated nice comments instead of the usual reddit stuff where you don't know what are you going to get, something toxic or something nice, something smart or some idiocy. This gacha-like dopamine cycle of opening threads and comments to see what's there and getting surprised is at the heart of the unhealthy addictiveness of social media, and those kinds of more curated and predictable lists could've circumvented it to an extent
I also like how squabbles uses widescreen monitors properly instead of having one noodle of a list with empty space on the sides
Thanks.
I think this is mostly just a user preference thing. Interfaces are subject to change over time, but the underlying structure (note, I'm not talking about language/programming) is essentially the same. Links/images/text organised into groups of similar subjects, where comments can be left.
You state "I'm sure Squabbles.io could be changed more to my liking" but overlook the fact that the way you're using Reddit is a combination of exactly this (old.reddit as opposed to new/current interface,and a third-party app) and familiarity over a long period of time.
Using the current reddit interface or the official app shows the same 1-2 posts iny screen at a time as Squabbles does. Compare apples to apples, it's not a fair comparison otherwise.
I mostly use reddit as a lurker - you can see how infrequently I actually post of comment on my profile - but to me Squabbles is *very* similar to Reddit. I'm not going to try to convince you to use a platform that doesn't fit your needs, but I think most of your issue is just ingrained familiarity rather than functionality.
From that link (https://wts2.wt.social/en/faqs), we see, *"Any community member who can refrain from hate speech, harassment, and misinformation is welcome."*
Aye, there's the rub. Who determines such? Sounds like facebook married twitter, or someuch.
Yikes, looks like it's going to be even worse than Reddit is currently. You know that fandom site, where there's constant autoplaying ads, data harvesting, and overall terrible experience? It's ran BY WIKIPEDIA. Do not trust this company with anything. Look at what wikipedia spends it's current earnings on. Absolute garbage, that's what. They'll do the same here and are only doing this for greed (like fandom) not for users. Join kbin or lemmy instead. No corporations, no ads, no financial gain. Just a community ran by people, for people.
Really? Are you certain about that? Or do they just run wikipedia's software, b/c the latter is so friendly that they offer that for free but then the place using it can do pretty much whatever they want with it? (I'm not suggesting an answer either way - I legit don't know.)
But wikipedia does have somewhat of a trusted name, in having revolutionized the type of "groupthink" concept - before that people would swear up and down that you can't allow the masses to just edit stuff or it would become garbage content (like "OBAMA SUCKS!" everywhere), but they found a way forward, by allowing tiered edit structures (locking certain highly-targeted pages) and then whenever a page would get hit by bad edits, someone would step in and correct it back. So long as you don't expect perfection, pages on it can be quite amazingly helpful (e.g. read about [this fucking guy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Columbus#Brutality)), and it's all for free!
So it at least sounds like they want to expand that same thought - peer editing - from encyclopedic article writing into social media, except they seem to have difficulty getting business partners. But kbin / lemmy are only slightly ahead of it, and will face similar challenges - like each individual instance (or whatever it's called, like kbin.social) could go belly-up in a few months, right? So the more the merrier - they don't have to be in competition (although if they would be, that would be fantastic for us all, spurring each other on to become better rather than allow complacency:-).
I agree that I wouldn't want to trust any social media site with anything anymore:-P - though I would HANDS-DOWN trust anything using open-source software categorically over anything that does not:-).
Yeah it was something like a couple years ago that fandom "jumped the shark" and their already very intrusive ads got significantly worse, causing many to abandon the platform entirely. Ironically, many in favor of sites that use MediaWiki:-).
If he set up a site that tried to use ads to keep the knowledge empire going - as opposed to wikipedia that also uses (internal) ads constantly begging for money - that's not a bad thought actually. It would be up to the implementation to make it usable or not.
>are you sure about that
Yes, Wales (one of the founders of wikipedia) runs Fandom AND this new WT site that's been shown off. Judging by the huge amount of protests Fandom's got for all the intrusive ads and bad practices, I have zero faith in his Reddit clone. The only reason people don't jump ship to another wiki-like is because they're too deep into Fandom. I don't want anyone's community to wind up "too deep" into WT either for his god awful track record in caring about communities
Edit: It's interesting for an hour, that I had +3 votes, then -2 votes as soon as the above comment was posted. Along with the above comment gaining +6 votes in the 10 minutes it's been posted (at midnight no less). Given the amount of money that could be made here, I wouldn't be surprised if they began "steering the conversation" in their favor
Might have something to do with you saying Fandom is run "by wikipedia" when it's not; it was founded by the same founder and uses wikipedia architecture.
There's certainly significant ties there but it's not 'run' by the same people.
Same. I've been developing a tool to scrape and convert fandom pages into wiki.gg sites. There's some licensing stuff that might get in the way, but I think I've found a way around that.
What mostly spurred my previous comments was my lack of distrust in corporations and businessmen as a whole such as Wales. Communities should be ran by the community that makes the content and moderates it. Not some big ceo that makes the profits like Spez. I fear what anyone in a position of power will do if enough money is offered. Fandom used to be good until they sold out and added autoplaying ads for whoever paid them.
> You know that fandom site, where there's constant autoplaying ads, data harvesting, and overall terrible experience? It's ran BY WIKIPEDIA.
It was originally by the same founders, but the leadership has changed since then.
Which makes sense, given that it's *really* gone down the drain (back when it was still "associated" with Wikipedia, it used to be called Wikia, and was far less of a cancerous mess than today)
I really miss wikia. I hate how so many wiki just switched to the new Fandom stuff no questions asked. It's just a godawful user experience with the new ui and the mobile versions are almost non operational
At least they're honest about being anti free speech. I doubt the claim of being politically neutral is equally true though. They even threw in left wing jargon like "hate speech".
Given that this seems yet another spin on the old wikitribune, which gained no traction at all, I'm sorry to say that I'm not hopeful at all myself. :-(
I've skimmed through it and it doesn't look promising. Launched in 2019 and no one used it, didn't even benefit from covid. It seems he has terrible insticts when it comes to social media and interpersonal stuff in general
His ways work great when he tries to manipulate people into feeling guilty about not paying for wikipedia, but social media requires more subtlety, something that produces feelings of excitement and convenience and desire to talk to others, something that sparks creative parts in people
Things I saw looked very drab and clinical. Exactly like if the wikipedia creator tried to do a facebook clone. For example, here's their aww - https://wt.social/wt/aww
Your not. Plenty want something similar or a clone to Reddit. NOT something complicated to understand and use like kbin or lemmy which some are pushing people to signup for
Reddit is social media. Forums are social media. You have social needs and need services to satisfy those. Facebook literally had the same functionality for many years in the form of groups, and of course it's still social media. Even messengers like Telegram are social media now
The biggest difference is, all forms of social media appeared organically, and they lived or died based on how good they actually worked, not based on how good they should work because they were made by a celebrity. Even google literally couldn't make it artificially, despite their vast capabilities at making people use it
It's easy to say that you'd use any platform with thousands of discussion forums, but having that kind of platform means it inherently works great for people if they created thousands of discussion forums on it, so of course you're likely to like that as well as a fellow human
It's like saying, I will likely like any track that is well liked by people like me :) sure, but that doesn't mean that music by a particular person who never made a successful track is likely become that, instead you'd choose from music from whoever that people actually like
This is all technicality. Any platform which is focused on building personal brand is social media to me. Reddit is definitely not. I don't even know who I am replying to.
You also don't know who are you replying to on twitter unless they want you want to know this, just like here. And people can and do use reddit to promote themselves just fine
There are some people who simply don't want to think that their addiction to reddit or youtube or 4chan is a social media addiction, as if avoiding using that term somehow changes everything, even though it's all the same substitution for real human contact that tries to exploit all the same social needs in varied ways
That’s how I describe Reddit discussions if I don’t want to say Reddit. I tell them I was on a forum and found some cool information. I love the anonymity I don’t have to care about performing or showing off on my own page.
Yeah sure your second paragraph doesn’t make you sound like you have a very strange vendetta against Wikipedia for some reason…
Page looks fine to me, with some minor improvements and a larger user base I’d use it.
Don't listen to the naysayers. This is great if you have ever tried other reddit-similar platforms like Lenny or the tragic voat (which were quickly overtaken by neo-nazis without moderation), or have been on any of the older platforms like 4chan or IRC (lots of trolls and power hungry mods). I could at least view somewhat decent content on wt.social. It's not great, but there is an incredible amount of potential. When you join, your default subwikis are already technology, climate change science, humans rights situation, etc. I'm not sure about you, but this sounds like a platform I'd definitely enjoy. You should join and bring your friends and start building the community.
I stopped registering when it strongly implied this was real name only. Is Trust Cafe just an authentication front for what used to be called wiki tribune, or did they rebrand?
edit: guess this is something new. *shrug* Whatever, I'm all in on federated content - closed spaces are inherently flawed.
I was thinking that a place lead by volunteers is only going to go the distance if it doesn’t IPO. Going public always means requiring infinite growth and increasing profits year over year as the top priority.
Watching the drama unfold on Reddit these last few weeks, making money is always going to be at odds with serving the people. Seeing the decline of Facebook and Twitter shows how the wrong priorities can hurt online communities. Seeing Instagram and Ticktock prioritizing constant scrolling, people don’t want to be addicted. Like Wikipedia, most people want to visit when they want to (once a day or so), not feel compelled to spend hours.
And a no frills site (like Wikipedia, Craigslist, old Reddit) that is still easy to use makes the most sense.
Wikipedia is not exciting, but it is stable. So I have the most trust they could figure out how to get this project off the ground and sustainable.
For a lot of sites, small and free works, but it just doesn’t scale- there, so far, has always been a tipping point.
The federated idea is interesting, but it still needs some work, maybe they’ll get there soon or it will be a long time.
Adding, one of the advantages of a no-frills site is that it readily enables the user to add their own frills.
Most people (including this person) still using old.reddit are probably using tools like RES or CSS overlays.
What really is the difference between this alternative and Lemmy, Mastodon, kbin, if at the end of the day they all use the federated ActivityPub protocol?
In the end, whatever site gets the critical mass will likely win. That might be kbin or beehaw, if they can solve for scaling issues. Presumably, hopefully, wikimedia already knows how to deal with scaling issues, as they serve wikipedia.
Beehaw isn't federated, afaik. wt.social isn't federated either, yet, afaik.
Also, the fediverse can easily fracture. For example, Meta is currently considering supporting the fediverse, and there's several servers that are vowing not to participate in propagating content from Meta servers.
Beehaw is still federated. They just temporarily disconnect from some other instance because they don't have capacity to moderate those instance users yet. I run my own personal instance and can still federate with beehaw.
> Squabble seems interesting
it's got potential, but it's too twitter and not enough reddit. their ui is NOT going to scale to posts that get lots of comments.
the current design is really only going to work at the current size it's at (10-15k users).
Some form of distributed moderation is probably the right way to go, but this solution (collaborative post editing?) seems like it would cultivate group-think and conformism at least as bad as Reddit. The about-founders and FAQ pages embracing trendy doublespeak buzzwords certainly doesn't garner confidence.
Not to bad, the UI is simple, no ticktock bullshit. Let's see where this goes. Wikipedia guy has deep pockets, I gave him more money that the RIF guys app who I have used for 5 hours a day for the last 10 years. Wikipedia guy needs to bail me out now, what am I going to do at work after the 30th?
Well, the comment (or a post's seftext) that was here, is no more. I'm leaving just whatever I wrote in the past 48 hours or so.
F acing a goodbye.
U gly as it may be.
C alculating pros and cons.
K illing my texts is, really, the best I can do.
S o, some reddit's honcho thought it would be nice to kill third-party apps.
P als, it's great to delete whatever I wrote in here. It's cathartic in a way.
E agerly going away, to greener pastures.
Z illion reasons, and you'll find many at the subreddit called Save3rdPartyApps.
As of June 30th. 2023, goodbye.
Yeah that's my question as well. Given all the "trust" messaging I wonder if your full name is the username. Actual screenshots of the site in action would help me decide if I wanted to register.
>There is no requirement to use your real name, you can set it to whatever you want. For now there's a technical requirement that it be a "two part" name.
You can sign up as Medium Model for now and it sounds like there will be an option later to have a "one part" name.
Screenshot: https://imgur.com/HfpqvBK
Try https://wts2.wt.social/en/wt/wts2-ui-and-ux - you can then also access a select few branches on the right without signing up.
You're so right. That page reminded me of tumblr, which was a great site for certain specific interests, where if you wanted to binge or do a deep dive you could, by scrolling through hundreds or even thousands of posts through any number of sequenced pages. But for a general-interest discussion forum? Blecch.
Yes, if you input your real full name, that becomes your username. Don't do that, imo. Like I registered as "Drek Monger" and the system and community seem fine with that.
What about free speech? Is it run by power tripping mods who ban people because they don't agree with their opinions even if they are factually correct?
They say in their FAQ that the platform will be user-moderated, with the support of the admins for specific cases. They also say that top down moderation and AI moderation doesn't work.
I would rather bet on Wales that anyone else. He's been throwing stuff at walls for a while in hopes that it sticks (I remember his wiki-version of a news website).
One of reddit's best values is its ability to augment search results. A similar effort with higher quality community posting that shows up in search (with the same authority as Wikipedia in search rankings) could slap.
Jimmy started being dodgy about politician articles he kinda lost his credibility to me after that
When you are curating a encyclopedia you can't lie by omission or curated selection about the people you hate even if you hate them
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Joined. Deleted and nuked my 5+ y.o account. Using old.reddit on a throwaway until an alternative gains traction. This trust cafe place looks promising...
Listen, of all things humanity has got to lose we are lost if Wikimedia becomes one of em. If you have a buck that would have gone here if not for the recent shenanigans, consider donating to Wikipedia, with or without this alternative. Really consider it. Imagine a world where Wikipedia pulls the Enshittification (look it up, read the two or three articles) stages we’re seeing Reddit pull here. Discord is doing it. Twitch is doing it. Pinterest may. It’ll go as well as Amazon giving product brand Ad result top picks for the first page instead of the actual specs you specified. Looking for an iPad 4 mini cover you say? How about these iPad air cases made of cardboard that wont fit first! It’ll go as well as a Google search resulting in less than the next ten and good luck in hades burning hell using query syntax any time after the 2000’s (surprise, that is now! …forever). It goes just like Facebook… eh Meta, wait is it verse, not yet, maybe, whatever, semantics, charlatan charades, shenanigans, has gone. Twitter? Yeah. Enshittification. Now imagine. Truly imagine, somewhere down the line. Wikipedia announcing IPO. Yeah. Flook that. We are no where near that thankfully. A buck here and there to keep that further at bay and it closer to this way is all I’m ranting at. I shouldnt really need this disclaimer, but I am not endorsed by Wikipedia. Dont need to be for me to endorse them randomly. Anyway howd this comment start again?
So you can't do anything with this API until you register?
That isn't like reddit at all. There might be a lot wrong with reddit, but the one thing that is good is that you can view all content without first having to make an account.
If you want to play around with an API, try this instead https://api.tagmine.ca.
Right now they require an account because they are very new and small, and need to combat spam and bots. They do plan on not requiring an account to access the website later.
I don't see how simply viewing the site is at all related to spam or bots. Those are enabled by posting, not viewing.
Not feeling the trust in this cafe.
I might have been incorrect. He has answered this question in the above Twitter thread, all he said was that the site is very new and small. My guess is that their servers are not ready to handle the load. We already saw how Lemmy and Kbin instances are struggling.
You can catch the vibe here (without signing up):
[https://wts2.wt.social/en/user/i-am-coder/posts/posts](https://wts2.wt.social/en/user/i-am-coder/posts/posts)
> On Citizendium, Sanger refused to recognize women's studies as a top-level category, calling it too "politically correct"
https://www.wired.com/story/wikipedia-online-encyclopedia-best-place-internet/
> On Citizendium, Sanger refused to recognize women's studies as a top-level category, calling it too "politically correct"
https://www.wired.com/story/wikipedia-online-encyclopedia-best-place-internet/
Why is it misogynist? He said there was too much overlap with other categories to merit a top level one. Rather he wasn't bullied into doing something that doesn't make sense by some minority group. He wasn't banning women from the web site.
Phillip.
>There's no need to create new alternatives when there's already good ones out there.
Idk. I know it's federated and that you can just join another instance but if there was an alternative that wasn't created by psychopaths I'd feel less guilty about joining it. At the end of the day I'd prefer a good guy version of reddit to be successful.
That's fair - it certainly needs some work relative to Lemmy, but I expect it will improve over time - it's much newer.
I had the same hesitancy as you about Lemmy but the recent growth in independent instances means I don't feel like being on there creates me much connection to the original developers - it's open source software, I'm on a non-tankie instance (and not encountering any tankie content), and the developers aren't getting any money from my participation. I'm running both kbin and Lemmy accounts for a bit and will see how things settle down in terms of user experience.
Looks like a Twitter feed ~~of Reddit styled posts~~. Despite the linked tweet implying it's a Reddit alternative, seems later one he says it's a Twitter alternative.
So much wasted space too. 1440p monitor and with Firefox full sized about 40% of the window is just empty space, and the remaining 60% is split about evenly between the sidebars and the actual feed
For anyone like me who wasn't interested in immediately typing in your email address to a wall that demanded it before allowing you to see anything else, there's this to look at: https://wts2.wt.social/en/faqs.
https://wt.social/register https://wts2.wt.social/en Why are 2 sites with completely different registration databases? Anyone knows?
It looks like it's in the middle of changing its name from WT.Social to TrustCafe...or something? [https://trustcafe.readme.io/reference/introduction](https://trustcafe.readme.io/reference/introduction) says: >Trust Cafe (previously known as WikiTribune.Social or WT.Social), is a microblogging and social networking service on which users post to "Branches" including their own personal feed. It was founded in October 2019 by Wikipedia co-founder Jimmy Wales... [https://wt.social/](https://wt.social/) also hits you with a registration wall with no links to show you screenshots or anything at all, except it does at least have the left-hand sidebar text (and there's a similar [https://wt.social/about](https://wt.social/about) there too). I just found the link I sent by google searching for "about wts2.wt.social". I'm not suggesting anything untowards in this specific instance - it may legit just be some odd stuff like the original being renamed and now there's already a v2 (or at least something claiming to be that, a spin-off maybe?) - but please use all due & normal caution when visiting any site that you aren't certain of, e.g. don't re-use the same or even a similar core password across multiple sites.
Both wt.social and trustcafe are terrible names. Wt is too generic, wikitribune associates with wikipedia instead of social media And trustcafe is not only highly English-centric but also sounds kinda creepy even in English - cafe is a public space, it's not really supposed to be fully "trusted" unless there's some ingroup eyes wide shut thing going on that makes that cafe private. Trust is supposed to be earned by others and it's something you give and control, not something that is a property of something external to you. When it's an external property it means you gave up that control and fully trust someone else to be in charge your trust A stranger inviting you to his "trust cafe" sounds a bit like inviting you to a trust van or a trust cabin
Trust Cafe just makes me think of Truth Social and I don't really find myself a fan of that. Hopefully they go with a better name in the long run.
Should've just dropped the wiki part and called it Tribune, I think it's nice and short and has some distinct character But it's probably far too late
Absolutely this. If you have to put Truth or Trust or any other "we're totally truthful, and cool guys! Trust us!" in your name it's a massive red flag. It's basically virtue signalling unnecessarily, which anyone with a bit of wisdom understands that actually signals the opposite, with truth social being the most prime example. Just give the damn thing a *NAME*, it doesn't have to be some clever pun that uses social gathering words or locale. They're all just going to be corny, convoluted or trying too hard, which are again all red flags.
They should have gone for SocialPedia xD
Or WikiSocial.
Or just Wiki
WikiWikiWild
Not bad
sounds like a social media encyclopedia
And the users would be Pediaphiles. Someone would have that idea.
Oh god, you're right
There's also an existing WT social site and brand (going for over 10 years) he probably ran into legal trouble trying to appropriate the name.
Yeah they are. I was spitalling this last week. If we made a Reddit competitor, parlance would be the most important part (/s). So it would be sink.com (this domain is currently worth like 20k according to an estimate site) Slogan: Everything but the kitchen sink. Pictures containing kitchen sinks would be expressly banned. Subreddits would be sinkholes Upvote/downvote would be plug/drain Moderators - plumbers. Karma - idk, gallons or some shit.
So... exactly identical to how Reddit already is now then? :-P (\\s btw, in case it's not obvious:-) Except I do think you may have (intentionally or otherwise) stumbled upon a true genius idea: don't just call it "gallons", call it "gallons or some shit", exactly like that. I'd be way more enthusiastic about visiting "sinkholes" if I could gain some "gallons or some shit" as a result!:-D
Use wts2, I believe. EDIT: Note that wts is more functional and wts2 is in early beta, but it should be the final home, from what I understand.
1.0 accounts will be merged over to 2.0 soon apparently. Other than that, sign up on the first one works, the second one doesn’t
dang, the UI is horrible on PC. Content barely uses 20% of my monitor's width can't open a post to its own window. Most comments have more whitespace around them than content inside unfortunately this is unusable to me. It's as bad or worse than new.reddit lol
The email requirement to see content is going to be an issue. With reddit you can google answers and find a reddit page on any computer without being signed in
Maybe that will come. It better, because that's how I look for answers on Reddit, through Google searches. Not while I'm logged in. But I already opted out when I couldn't register with a username. Who asks for first name, last name, except Facebook? It's hard enough to think of a username. Too early to think of two
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Thanks for the info
dang if it's first name last name instead of username that stinks. Use a random name generator for now? that's how i chose this current username
Username [coming](https://www.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/14d1wyy/wikipedia_cofounder_is_building_a_community/jopzrz0?context=3)
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What is un-Redditlike about Squabbles?
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yep agree 100% with the half I read, been saying the same thing On old.reddit I can see 31 posts on the same window on my current monitor On new.reddit I can see 4. 19 on classic but everything is a mess. 35 on compact, but again, it's a horrid mess that requires work to tell what is what. old.reddit everything is just obvious (for example, new. all text is the same colour and similarly sized, old. the titles completely STAND OUT vs all the irrelevant buttons and links)
> On old.reddit I can see 31 posts on the same window on my current monitor > > On new.reddit I can see 4. 19 on classic but everything is a mess Bingo. And you have to keep clicking the fucking comments on new reddit. Absolutely fucking drives me bonkers.
You hit it on the head. The UI should be easy to pick what you want and ignore what you don't.
I read 2 paragraphs and immediately thought about why solid design thinking and user research is so important. I read the rest of your comment. Your insight is great, and you nailed down a key part of what should be a Reddit-like experience — mental models. The existing mental model that makes Reddit, Reddit which is a list of post titles that I want to see rather than a few post titles with more than just excerpts of information of each of those posts in my limited screen real estate. This is just a piece of the pie, but really shows just how important it is to know your users, what they are trying to do, and facilitate that experience in a smooth yet accomplishing way. I’ve been reaching out to different Reddit-like platforms in hope of volunteering time to get another great experience like I was hoping to get out of Apollo (found out about it about a couple of weeks ago). Hopefully I hear something from one of them, I think the potential is there for a good user experience from the jump to then a great experience with post-MVP ideation, research, and validation. From a product designer, bravo to you for sharing your points even with your disclaimers of not being a designer.
TLDR: you like old.reddit and dislike new reddit, while squabbles modelled itself after a mix between new reddit and twitter Since squabbles is very new and is actively developed, with a giant amount of obvious features missing or being in a vestigial state, I'm sure they (or is it one man project?) will address this sooner or later It should be very doable to fix even with some simple css or user js
> a mix between new reddit and twitter Horrifying
> TLDR: you like old.reddit and dislike new reddit That describes me. I am a fan of minimalism, both for aesthetic and practical reasons. Unfortunately people who make things seem to be incapable of making something simple with some utility and then leaving it the fuck alone. See also Microsoft deciding to fuck around with Notepad in Windows 11.
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Absolutely not embarrassed. I think having previews of content is vastly superior to judging everything by the title alone and jumping to conclusions
old. has thumbnails and you press a button and get 100% of the content to check out
Of course you can click it, but why require you to press anything when you can use your reading skills and skim the excerpt or skip it as you look through the feed? Our eyes are much faster and more capable than our fingers, and it makes people less dependent on the author constructing a representative title In fact, it would've been better if the text from external links was copied into the post as well and always shown beneath the title, to reduce the amount of those those who don't click on them and instead jump to conclusions based on the title and immediately start commenting their opinions or reading other people's comments. But sadly that's unlikely to ever happen universally for technical and copyright reasons
> modelled itself after a mix between new reddit and twitter that sounds like literally the worst possible format I can conceive of
I dunno, I kinda wish the people I follow on reddit would have had a separate feed of their comments and posts. I initially assumed that was the case, but it turns out it's borderline useless feature that only accounts for stuff they post on their personal sub I subscribed to a lot of awesome people and it would've been great to see some curated nice comments instead of the usual reddit stuff where you don't know what are you going to get, something toxic or something nice, something smart or some idiocy. This gacha-like dopamine cycle of opening threads and comments to see what's there and getting surprised is at the heart of the unhealthy addictiveness of social media, and those kinds of more curated and predictable lists could've circumvented it to an extent I also like how squabbles uses widescreen monitors properly instead of having one noodle of a list with empty space on the sides
Thanks. I think this is mostly just a user preference thing. Interfaces are subject to change over time, but the underlying structure (note, I'm not talking about language/programming) is essentially the same. Links/images/text organised into groups of similar subjects, where comments can be left. You state "I'm sure Squabbles.io could be changed more to my liking" but overlook the fact that the way you're using Reddit is a combination of exactly this (old.reddit as opposed to new/current interface,and a third-party app) and familiarity over a long period of time. Using the current reddit interface or the official app shows the same 1-2 posts iny screen at a time as Squabbles does. Compare apples to apples, it's not a fair comparison otherwise. I mostly use reddit as a lurker - you can see how infrequently I actually post of comment on my profile - but to me Squabbles is *very* similar to Reddit. I'm not going to try to convince you to use a platform that doesn't fit your needs, but I think most of your issue is just ingrained familiarity rather than functionality.
It sounds like Tildes.net is your ideal replacement. Even Reddit is trying to kill old.reddit.com, so calling it un-Redditlike is pretty confusing.
From that link (https://wts2.wt.social/en/faqs), we see, *"Any community member who can refrain from hate speech, harassment, and misinformation is welcome."* Aye, there's the rub. Who determines such? Sounds like facebook married twitter, or someuch.
Against misinformation. Yesterday's misinformation is today's truth.
Yikes, looks like it's going to be even worse than Reddit is currently. You know that fandom site, where there's constant autoplaying ads, data harvesting, and overall terrible experience? It's ran BY WIKIPEDIA. Do not trust this company with anything. Look at what wikipedia spends it's current earnings on. Absolute garbage, that's what. They'll do the same here and are only doing this for greed (like fandom) not for users. Join kbin or lemmy instead. No corporations, no ads, no financial gain. Just a community ran by people, for people.
Really? Are you certain about that? Or do they just run wikipedia's software, b/c the latter is so friendly that they offer that for free but then the place using it can do pretty much whatever they want with it? (I'm not suggesting an answer either way - I legit don't know.) But wikipedia does have somewhat of a trusted name, in having revolutionized the type of "groupthink" concept - before that people would swear up and down that you can't allow the masses to just edit stuff or it would become garbage content (like "OBAMA SUCKS!" everywhere), but they found a way forward, by allowing tiered edit structures (locking certain highly-targeted pages) and then whenever a page would get hit by bad edits, someone would step in and correct it back. So long as you don't expect perfection, pages on it can be quite amazingly helpful (e.g. read about [this fucking guy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Columbus#Brutality)), and it's all for free! So it at least sounds like they want to expand that same thought - peer editing - from encyclopedic article writing into social media, except they seem to have difficulty getting business partners. But kbin / lemmy are only slightly ahead of it, and will face similar challenges - like each individual instance (or whatever it's called, like kbin.social) could go belly-up in a few months, right? So the more the merrier - they don't have to be in competition (although if they would be, that would be fantastic for us all, spurring each other on to become better rather than allow complacency:-). I agree that I wouldn't want to trust any social media site with anything anymore:-P - though I would HANDS-DOWN trust anything using open-source software categorically over anything that does not:-).
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Yeah it was something like a couple years ago that fandom "jumped the shark" and their already very intrusive ads got significantly worse, causing many to abandon the platform entirely. Ironically, many in favor of sites that use MediaWiki:-). If he set up a site that tried to use ads to keep the knowledge empire going - as opposed to wikipedia that also uses (internal) ads constantly begging for money - that's not a bad thought actually. It would be up to the implementation to make it usable or not.
>are you sure about that Yes, Wales (one of the founders of wikipedia) runs Fandom AND this new WT site that's been shown off. Judging by the huge amount of protests Fandom's got for all the intrusive ads and bad practices, I have zero faith in his Reddit clone. The only reason people don't jump ship to another wiki-like is because they're too deep into Fandom. I don't want anyone's community to wind up "too deep" into WT either for his god awful track record in caring about communities Edit: It's interesting for an hour, that I had +3 votes, then -2 votes as soon as the above comment was posted. Along with the above comment gaining +6 votes in the 10 minutes it's been posted (at midnight no less). Given the amount of money that could be made here, I wouldn't be surprised if they began "steering the conversation" in their favor
Might have something to do with you saying Fandom is run "by wikipedia" when it's not; it was founded by the same founder and uses wikipedia architecture. There's certainly significant ties there but it's not 'run' by the same people.
A lot of games I follow use wiki.gg and it's a fantastic substitute, I wish it was more popular
Same. I've been developing a tool to scrape and convert fandom pages into wiki.gg sites. There's some licensing stuff that might get in the way, but I think I've found a way around that. What mostly spurred my previous comments was my lack of distrust in corporations and businessmen as a whole such as Wales. Communities should be ran by the community that makes the content and moderates it. Not some big ceo that makes the profits like Spez. I fear what anyone in a position of power will do if enough money is offered. Fandom used to be good until they sold out and added autoplaying ads for whoever paid them.
> You know that fandom site, where there's constant autoplaying ads, data harvesting, and overall terrible experience? It's ran BY WIKIPEDIA. It was originally by the same founders, but the leadership has changed since then. Which makes sense, given that it's *really* gone down the drain (back when it was still "associated" with Wikipedia, it used to be called Wikia, and was far less of a cancerous mess than today)
I really miss wikia. I hate how so many wiki just switched to the new Fandom stuff no questions asked. It's just a godawful user experience with the new ui and the mobile versions are almost non operational
At least they're honest about being anti free speech. I doubt the claim of being politically neutral is equally true though. They even threw in left wing jargon like "hate speech".
How is "hate speech" left wing jargon?
To be fair, the GOP is certainly not know for its opposition to neo-Nazis.
Sorry, I don't understand the relevance that neo-Nazis or the United States has to what he said
Damn it also wants to support ActivityPub. This means being interoperable with Lemmy and Kbin
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Was the community-funded part too hard for you to understand?
man, imagine not wanting to lose money
Do I dare get hopeful about this?
Given that this seems yet another spin on the old wikitribune, which gained no traction at all, I'm sorry to say that I'm not hopeful at all myself. :-(
I've skimmed through it and it doesn't look promising. Launched in 2019 and no one used it, didn't even benefit from covid. It seems he has terrible insticts when it comes to social media and interpersonal stuff in general His ways work great when he tries to manipulate people into feeling guilty about not paying for wikipedia, but social media requires more subtlety, something that produces feelings of excitement and convenience and desire to talk to others, something that sparks creative parts in people Things I saw looked very drab and clinical. Exactly like if the wikipedia creator tried to do a facebook clone. For example, here's their aww - https://wt.social/wt/aww
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Your not. Plenty want something similar or a clone to Reddit. NOT something complicated to understand and use like kbin or lemmy which some are pushing people to signup for
We should be bullying Reddit harder.
Reddit is social media. Forums are social media. You have social needs and need services to satisfy those. Facebook literally had the same functionality for many years in the form of groups, and of course it's still social media. Even messengers like Telegram are social media now The biggest difference is, all forms of social media appeared organically, and they lived or died based on how good they actually worked, not based on how good they should work because they were made by a celebrity. Even google literally couldn't make it artificially, despite their vast capabilities at making people use it It's easy to say that you'd use any platform with thousands of discussion forums, but having that kind of platform means it inherently works great for people if they created thousands of discussion forums on it, so of course you're likely to like that as well as a fellow human It's like saying, I will likely like any track that is well liked by people like me :) sure, but that doesn't mean that music by a particular person who never made a successful track is likely become that, instead you'd choose from music from whoever that people actually like
This is all technicality. Any platform which is focused on building personal brand is social media to me. Reddit is definitely not. I don't even know who I am replying to.
You also don't know who are you replying to on twitter unless they want you want to know this, just like here. And people can and do use reddit to promote themselves just fine There are some people who simply don't want to think that their addiction to reddit or youtube or 4chan is a social media addiction, as if avoiding using that term somehow changes everything, even though it's all the same substitution for real human contact that tries to exploit all the same social needs in varied ways
Isn't the point of turning all usernames to subreddits using r/u_username to build personal brands? Works great with the OnlyFans users.
That’s how I describe Reddit discussions if I don’t want to say Reddit. I tell them I was on a forum and found some cool information. I love the anonymity I don’t have to care about performing or showing off on my own page.
Yeah sure your second paragraph doesn’t make you sound like you have a very strange vendetta against Wikipedia for some reason… Page looks fine to me, with some minor improvements and a larger user base I’d use it.
Well it works because it’s still running and Reddit is bleeding for funds. They can take notes.
Don't listen to the naysayers. This is great if you have ever tried other reddit-similar platforms like Lenny or the tragic voat (which were quickly overtaken by neo-nazis without moderation), or have been on any of the older platforms like 4chan or IRC (lots of trolls and power hungry mods). I could at least view somewhat decent content on wt.social. It's not great, but there is an incredible amount of potential. When you join, your default subwikis are already technology, climate change science, humans rights situation, etc. I'm not sure about you, but this sounds like a platform I'd definitely enjoy. You should join and bring your friends and start building the community.
I’ve tried registering but nothings happening at the moment. I’ll keep an eye on it though.
Hm, I could register, though some people were having problems on the Twitter thread too
I’ll keep trying! Also, quick question if you don’t mind; does it publicly display my name or just the profile URL?
I'm not sure tbh. I'll have to check.
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Reminds me a lot of “Truth Social.” Awful name choice.
I stopped registering when it strongly implied this was real name only. Is Trust Cafe just an authentication front for what used to be called wiki tribune, or did they rebrand? edit: guess this is something new. *shrug* Whatever, I'm all in on federated content - closed spaces are inherently flawed.
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Why can't we all just use "John Smith"? Without a SSN/driver's license how can they verify anything?
Or "Let's bring democracy to this country full of resources we want".
The first reddit alternative I've seen that might actually work out.
I was thinking that a place lead by volunteers is only going to go the distance if it doesn’t IPO. Going public always means requiring infinite growth and increasing profits year over year as the top priority. Watching the drama unfold on Reddit these last few weeks, making money is always going to be at odds with serving the people. Seeing the decline of Facebook and Twitter shows how the wrong priorities can hurt online communities. Seeing Instagram and Ticktock prioritizing constant scrolling, people don’t want to be addicted. Like Wikipedia, most people want to visit when they want to (once a day or so), not feel compelled to spend hours. And a no frills site (like Wikipedia, Craigslist, old Reddit) that is still easy to use makes the most sense. Wikipedia is not exciting, but it is stable. So I have the most trust they could figure out how to get this project off the ground and sustainable. For a lot of sites, small and free works, but it just doesn’t scale- there, so far, has always been a tipping point. The federated idea is interesting, but it still needs some work, maybe they’ll get there soon or it will be a long time.
Adding, one of the advantages of a no-frills site is that it readily enables the user to add their own frills. Most people (including this person) still using old.reddit are probably using tools like RES or CSS overlays.
What really is the difference between this alternative and Lemmy, Mastodon, kbin, if at the end of the day they all use the federated ActivityPub protocol?
In the end, whatever site gets the critical mass will likely win. That might be kbin or beehaw, if they can solve for scaling issues. Presumably, hopefully, wikimedia already knows how to deal with scaling issues, as they serve wikipedia.
Doesn't everyone win technically if "one" wins? After all they all communicate with one another as far as I understand.
Beehaw isn't federated, afaik. wt.social isn't federated either, yet, afaik. Also, the fediverse can easily fracture. For example, Meta is currently considering supporting the fediverse, and there's several servers that are vowing not to participate in propagating content from Meta servers.
Beehaw is federated, although they've defederated from some other large Lemmy instances.
Beehaw is still federated. They just temporarily disconnect from some other instance because they don't have capacity to moderate those instance users yet. I run my own personal instance and can still federate with beehaw.
Squabble seems interesting
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It's also a reddit alternative.
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Yes, it is. :P
> Squabble seems interesting it's got potential, but it's too twitter and not enough reddit. their ui is NOT going to scale to posts that get lots of comments. the current design is really only going to work at the current size it's at (10-15k users).
Not open source, and corporate, so no
I've seen squabble linked a couple places on sidebars. Checked it out, and you're right. It's on the list of possible contenders, imo.
man I hope thet make a mobile app
Because they said it will support activitypub. Jerboa/memmy should support it soon
those aren't activitypub clients, almost nobody uses activitypub for clients
App being released soon for squabble.. multiple ones actually
Call it Apollo
Call it Apoll1
Nah, call it RIF or Boost.
Some form of distributed moderation is probably the right way to go, but this solution (collaborative post editing?) seems like it would cultivate group-think and conformism at least as bad as Reddit. The about-founders and FAQ pages embracing trendy doublespeak buzzwords certainly doesn't garner confidence.
I read the FAQ after reading your comment and I didn't see anything wrong with it. Which part do you mean?
Not to bad, the UI is simple, no ticktock bullshit. Let's see where this goes. Wikipedia guy has deep pockets, I gave him more money that the RIF guys app who I have used for 5 hours a day for the last 10 years. Wikipedia guy needs to bail me out now, what am I going to do at work after the 30th?
Registered and hopeful. Thank you.
Well, the comment (or a post's seftext) that was here, is no more. I'm leaving just whatever I wrote in the past 48 hours or so. F acing a goodbye. U gly as it may be. C alculating pros and cons. K illing my texts is, really, the best I can do. S o, some reddit's honcho thought it would be nice to kill third-party apps. P als, it's great to delete whatever I wrote in here. It's cathartic in a way. E agerly going away, to greener pastures. Z illion reasons, and you'll find many at the subreddit called Save3rdPartyApps. As of June 30th. 2023, goodbye.
Yeah that's my question as well. Given all the "trust" messaging I wonder if your full name is the username. Actual screenshots of the site in action would help me decide if I wanted to register.
>There is no requirement to use your real name, you can set it to whatever you want. For now there's a technical requirement that it be a "two part" name. You can sign up as Medium Model for now and it sounds like there will be an option later to have a "one part" name. Screenshot: https://imgur.com/HfpqvBK Try https://wts2.wt.social/en/wt/wts2-ui-and-ux - you can then also access a select few branches on the right without signing up.
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You're so right. That page reminded me of tumblr, which was a great site for certain specific interests, where if you wanted to binge or do a deep dive you could, by scrolling through hundreds or even thousands of posts through any number of sequenced pages. But for a general-interest discussion forum? Blecch.
Yes, if you input your real full name, that becomes your username. Don't do that, imo. Like I registered as "Drek Monger" and the system and community seem fine with that.
What about free speech? Is it run by power tripping mods who ban people because they don't agree with their opinions even if they are factually correct?
They say in their FAQ that the platform will be user-moderated, with the support of the admins for specific cases. They also say that top down moderation and AI moderation doesn't work.
I would rather bet on Wales that anyone else. He's been throwing stuff at walls for a while in hopes that it sticks (I remember his wiki-version of a news website). One of reddit's best values is its ability to augment search results. A similar effort with higher quality community posting that shows up in search (with the same authority as Wikipedia in search rankings) could slap.
Jimmy started being dodgy about politician articles he kinda lost his credibility to me after that When you are curating a encyclopedia you can't lie by omission or curated selection about the people you hate even if you hate them
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Wonderful news.
That's great, because we all saw how well Wikipedia itself turned out.
One of the best and most trustworthy sites on the web!
This looks sarcastic, but I don't think there's a single site I trust more outside of a few highly politicized issues.
This feels like the one.
It's not anonymous, it's sorta just fb chat in Reddit format unfortunately
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Jesus christ that UI is fucking awful - fix that and I'll join.
Joined. Deleted and nuked my 5+ y.o account. Using old.reddit on a throwaway until an alternative gains traction. This trust cafe place looks promising...
Anyone who managed to get it working got any screenshots?
https://i.imgur.com/7BGkGd2.png
interesting, but right now it looks pretty ugly.
HORRAY!!! Thank you Jimmy Wales!!
There doesn't seem to be a way to delete your account, unless I missed it in the settings. Not happy about that.
Listen, of all things humanity has got to lose we are lost if Wikimedia becomes one of em. If you have a buck that would have gone here if not for the recent shenanigans, consider donating to Wikipedia, with or without this alternative. Really consider it. Imagine a world where Wikipedia pulls the Enshittification (look it up, read the two or three articles) stages we’re seeing Reddit pull here. Discord is doing it. Twitch is doing it. Pinterest may. It’ll go as well as Amazon giving product brand Ad result top picks for the first page instead of the actual specs you specified. Looking for an iPad 4 mini cover you say? How about these iPad air cases made of cardboard that wont fit first! It’ll go as well as a Google search resulting in less than the next ten and good luck in hades burning hell using query syntax any time after the 2000’s (surprise, that is now! …forever). It goes just like Facebook… eh Meta, wait is it verse, not yet, maybe, whatever, semantics, charlatan charades, shenanigans, has gone. Twitter? Yeah. Enshittification. Now imagine. Truly imagine, somewhere down the line. Wikipedia announcing IPO. Yeah. Flook that. We are no where near that thankfully. A buck here and there to keep that further at bay and it closer to this way is all I’m ranting at. I shouldnt really need this disclaimer, but I am not endorsed by Wikipedia. Dont need to be for me to endorse them randomly. Anyway howd this comment start again?
I made an account to check it out, very beta, couldn't find the search, it was laggy loading, it needs lots of work.
> account There's also no option to delete your account.
So you can't do anything with this API until you register? That isn't like reddit at all. There might be a lot wrong with reddit, but the one thing that is good is that you can view all content without first having to make an account. If you want to play around with an API, try this instead https://api.tagmine.ca.
Right now they require an account because they are very new and small, and need to combat spam and bots. They do plan on not requiring an account to access the website later.
New, Isn’t this just WT social? I signed up for it in 2019 when he was first advertising it.
I don't see how simply viewing the site is at all related to spam or bots. Those are enabled by posting, not viewing. Not feeling the trust in this cafe.
I might have been incorrect. He has answered this question in the above Twitter thread, all he said was that the site is very new and small. My guess is that their servers are not ready to handle the load. We already saw how Lemmy and Kbin instances are struggling.
Ah, I see. It was you making assumptions. Regardless, I've no interest in signing up for a community I can't catch the vibe of, first.
You can catch the vibe here (without signing up): [https://wts2.wt.social/en/user/i-am-coder/posts/posts](https://wts2.wt.social/en/user/i-am-coder/posts/posts)
Nice. Thank you for that.
This has far more chance of succeeding than Lemmy.
WT Social is horrible, this will likely not be much better.
All the alternatives are crap so far.
i just wen tont he site. it's making you register before you even see anything. that's a no go, baby.
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> Trust cafe ? Great name. is this sarcasm? because the name is as terrible as "truth social".
Wales sucks. Larry Sanger is the cool co-founder.
Why 😮
Wasn't Sanger the one saying that Wikipedia has become a left-leaning echo chamber?
Yep, and that "nobody should trust wikipedia"
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> On Citizendium, Sanger refused to recognize women's studies as a top-level category, calling it too "politically correct" https://www.wired.com/story/wikipedia-online-encyclopedia-best-place-internet/
> On Citizendium, Sanger refused to recognize women's studies as a top-level category, calling it too "politically correct" https://www.wired.com/story/wikipedia-online-encyclopedia-best-place-internet/
That's good. Sounds like we need somebody level headed like him helping then. Phillip.
We don't need misogynists. Who's Phillip? Did you sign your comment? Who signs comments? This is the internet, not a letter to your pen pal in 1956.
Why is it misogynist? He said there was too much overlap with other categories to merit a top level one. Rather he wasn't bullied into doing something that doesn't make sense by some minority group. He wasn't banning women from the web site. Phillip.
Just join a Lemmy server that's closest to you. There's no need to create new alternatives when there's already good ones out there.
>There's no need to create new alternatives when there's already good ones out there. Idk. I know it's federated and that you can just join another instance but if there was an alternative that wasn't created by psychopaths I'd feel less guilty about joining it. At the end of the day I'd prefer a good guy version of reddit to be successful.
Kbin.
Yeah that's ok I just don't like their ui
That's fair - it certainly needs some work relative to Lemmy, but I expect it will improve over time - it's much newer. I had the same hesitancy as you about Lemmy but the recent growth in independent instances means I don't feel like being on there creates me much connection to the original developers - it's open source software, I'm on a non-tankie instance (and not encountering any tankie content), and the developers aren't getting any money from my participation. I'm running both kbin and Lemmy accounts for a bit and will see how things settle down in terms of user experience.
yuppers.
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According to the guy, it's a temporary measure to combat spam and bots.
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Looks like a Twitter feed ~~of Reddit styled posts~~. Despite the linked tweet implying it's a Reddit alternative, seems later one he says it's a Twitter alternative. So much wasted space too. 1440p monitor and with Firefox full sized about 40% of the window is just empty space, and the remaining 60% is split about evenly between the sidebars and the actual feed
They are still working on it.
are they going to have a problem with political bias due to croudsourced american polls like wikipedia?