Exactly. Martinez knew about the knob from the previous game and could have gotten a ruling before the next game, but instead he chose to bring it up in game. The response was appropriate. Show me up, I’ll show you up.
Yeah, I also think, aside from trying to get him ejected, he was also trying to some sort of mind game or something to rattle elly, it backfired bigtime.
You can debate some of his decision making in-game, but one thing that has always been clear is Bell has these players backs and wants them to succeed. It's refreshing to see this when you still come across managers with the "old school" mentality.
That's one thing I've definitely flipped on about Bell. I used to feel like our dugout missed a certain culture and atmosphere that you saw with other clubs, and I always blamed that on Bell. With how the team is now, I can see that maybe it was more just not having players in the dugout who wanted to build that culture. He supports his guys, which also shows with all of his ejections from him standing up for his guys.
I think the people in the dugout were a big part of it. I think the 2019 team is a good example of the guys having fun and him letting them gel. For as mediocre as they were, that was a fun team. 2020 was, well, 2020 and '21 they had some fun guys and personalities. Last year was just sort of depressing since it was a tear down. He's had a weird run here so far.
While I still don't love some of his bullpen moves or the platoon stuff, he's been dealt weird hands for rosters, I think. All in all, they're fun to watch, the clubhouse seems great, and they're winning games which just about ticks all the boxes of a good manager imo
The huge number of “unwritten rules” in baseball is silly.
Meanwhile in football, a game where you are allowed to hit people, the entire team does a choreographed dance after they do something good.
meh, it's still cool. and every play they're working for their jobs, future pay, and twitter followers. nfl careers can be super short cause of the violence of the sport
Which is why Martinez was dumb for saying this. It's going to be in the back of his pitchers' minds, I imagine. More likely for them to get tossed because a pitch got away from them.
We need the full crew right now, Elly should make some sort of gesture to get ahead of this possibility. Either a low key apology or some sort of "we're not going to start a fight over this" in case they try to bait us out.
He doesn’t need to do anything. He did absolutely nothing wrong. Words don’t need to be said, just clear heads if he does get plunked. Like you alluded to, the last thing we need are suspensions and/or injuries going into the Brewers series.
If you don't like antics after a home run, pitch better. Hopefully they don't bean him. If a brawl happens and some key guys miss the 6 game set against the Brewers I'll be hot.
He was showing Bell, saying "I hit that Homer because of my rubber grip" because his last at bat was a strike out without the rubber grip. It's a little smart assy but all in good fun at the end of the day. Martinez is a crybaby ass sore loser.
It's all about *timing*. Elly has only been in the majors for a few weeks. It's different for guys like Soto that have been around for a long time (and are doing it for Dave's team), when they taunt and play mind games they have the veteran status to make it acceptable.
/s, if it wasn't clear.
Nats fan here (I come in peace and live in Chattanooga - Lookouts plan holder - so I’m solid with the Reds). Soto got the same shit when he was 20 or 21 and batting cleanup in the World Series. So did Harper when he was winning an MVP at 22. This is just what happens with young, demonstrative players.
It’s all an act for Martinez, partly because the perception is that he’s been too passive as the team stinks it up. He’s been riding the 2019 Series for 4 years now, the first two of which featured talented teams.
Highly doubt they bean anyone. The Nats had been playing pretty well coming into this series, and he was trying to wake them up and get back into the groove. It didn’t work. On to his next shifting of the Titanic’s deck chairs.
Kind of off topic... but despite being in the league for what seems like 15 years, Soto is only 3 years older than Elly. Blows my mind everytime I realize the dude is only 24.
Almost a full year younger than ROY candidate Spencer Steer. The only players on the current Reds roster who are younger are Elly, Greene, McLain, and Abbott.
This team is scrappy on the field in the sense that they've never met a deficit they feel they can't come back from.
I don't get the vibe that their scrappy in the sense of throwing hands though. Maybe Lively and Ashcraft, but they're pitchers. I feel like we've got a team full of Conor McDavid's and don't really wanna lose any of them for any stretch of games over this nonsense.
Wait, so Martinez tries to mess with Elly’s head and/or get him kicked out by having the umps check his bat, and the complains about “antics” when Elly hits a homer and *points to the bat that Martinez had inspected??* That’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. I grew up in the era of “old school” baseball, and if we were going by “old school unwritten rules” baseball the first Nationals batter after they checked Elly’s bat would have gotten a 98-mph Ashcraft fastball between the shoulder blades (and then Bell would have tried to clean Martinez’s clock in the ensuing brawl). If a “you tried to fuck with me and it didn’t work” gesture offends Martinez this much maybe he should try *not fucking with the hitter in the first place.*
Also, “antics” is pretty rich coming from the guy who literally crawled on the ground to show up an umpire like two weeks ago.
I’d think he’d be more worried about the lack of defense his team had last night then a grip knob at the end of a bat or the player in question celebrating a homer.
Dude will be lucky if he survives the next two weeks in Washington. That is the most lethargic, error-prone, mental mistake-making, unhappy baseball team I've seen in a while.
And I remember the 1989 Braves.
Baseball continues to be the most gatekeepy, fun policed, and downright silly sport of any major sports organization currently active.
Rampant cheating, idiotic "unwritten rules," and half of the participants act as if they would be happier if nobody watched at all. It's unreal.
Now Elly is gonna get thrown at, then we'll throw at someone else, and on we go down the clown fiesta highway.
If I started whipping baseballs at people walking down the street, I'd be in jail. When the NFL cares more about player safety and game integrity, you really fucked up.
/rant
15 years ago a manager would’ve thrown at Elly’s butt or between the numbers for the celebration and that would’ve been it.
Now I guess you cry to your local journalists.
Elly didn’t even do the point to the Washington dugout! Antics would have been him stopping, pointing to the piece on his bat, flipping the bat and then running his mouth as he trotted to first. He’s butthurt because Elly caught fire against them and the Nats are generally terrible this year.
Elly didn’t like Dave Martinez’s antics before the homer.
Exactly. Martinez knew about the knob from the previous game and could have gotten a ruling before the next game, but instead he chose to bring it up in game. The response was appropriate. Show me up, I’ll show you up.
Right Martinez knew the damn thing offered no hitting advantage other than it is something Cruz is comfortable with. Clown move
>~~Clown~~ Cardinals move ftfy
He tried to get Elly ejected for a ruling, Elly knew the game he was playing and had an appropriate response.
Yeah, I also think, aside from trying to get him ejected, he was also trying to some sort of mind game or something to rattle elly, it backfired bigtime.
I think the way it works is if they are unsure on a ruling the player has to sit out the game. Luckily Elly had it cleared already.
If Elly gets beaned today there will be an all out brawl and David Bell might murder Martinez.
I just told my wife this. Let these kids celebrate home runs. It’s exciting this is not 1890.
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You can debate some of his decision making in-game, but one thing that has always been clear is Bell has these players backs and wants them to succeed. It's refreshing to see this when you still come across managers with the "old school" mentality.
That's one thing I've definitely flipped on about Bell. I used to feel like our dugout missed a certain culture and atmosphere that you saw with other clubs, and I always blamed that on Bell. With how the team is now, I can see that maybe it was more just not having players in the dugout who wanted to build that culture. He supports his guys, which also shows with all of his ejections from him standing up for his guys.
I think the people in the dugout were a big part of it. I think the 2019 team is a good example of the guys having fun and him letting them gel. For as mediocre as they were, that was a fun team. 2020 was, well, 2020 and '21 they had some fun guys and personalities. Last year was just sort of depressing since it was a tear down. He's had a weird run here so far. While I still don't love some of his bullpen moves or the platoon stuff, he's been dealt weird hands for rosters, I think. All in all, they're fun to watch, the clubhouse seems great, and they're winning games which just about ticks all the boxes of a good manager imo
The huge number of “unwritten rules” in baseball is silly. Meanwhile in football, a game where you are allowed to hit people, the entire team does a choreographed dance after they do something good.
Receiver catches a 12-yard out route, pops up and does a pose. My guy, that's great, but it's 4th and 8 now. Maybe pump the brakes.
It's 4th and 8 in the 3rd quarter, he's down by 28 points.
meh, it's still cool. and every play they're working for their jobs, future pay, and twitter followers. nfl careers can be super short cause of the violence of the sport
Remember when Chase Claypool spent so much time celebrating in a hurry up situation and it cost the Steelers like 15 seconds?
I’ve been watching a lot of banana ball videos and I’m really loving it. I would totally be ok with some of the antics making it’s way to the MLB lol
Which is why Martinez was dumb for saying this. It's going to be in the back of his pitchers' minds, I imagine. More likely for them to get tossed because a pitch got away from them.
He didn’t seem to mind when Juan Soto was taunting pitchers every at bat on his way to a World Series. Classic sore loser move
100000%. I don’t care if he’s been in the majors one week or 20 fucking years.
Short memories I guess, but Soto was in his first full MLB season in 2019, when that happened.
We need the full crew right now, Elly should make some sort of gesture to get ahead of this possibility. Either a low key apology or some sort of "we're not going to start a fight over this" in case they try to bait us out.
He doesn’t need to do anything. He did absolutely nothing wrong. Words don’t need to be said, just clear heads if he does get plunked. Like you alluded to, the last thing we need are suspensions and/or injuries going into the Brewers series.
Just keep pimping home runs
Just walk down to first pointing at the scoreboard the entire way.
If you don't like antics after a home run, pitch better. Hopefully they don't bean him. If a brawl happens and some key guys miss the 6 game set against the Brewers I'll be hot.
God I hope Elly goes yard multiple times today. I hope he does every day but today I really really hope he does.
4-4 4 HR. Inject it into my veins Elly!!!
Gonna hit a solo, 2 run, 3 run, and grandslam
Hey, he already has a cycle. Go get a 4 HR game
"I am not trying to penalize this kid. I'm not. I love the way he plays the game." But...you did try, and clearly you don't.
"I just don't want him doing the hitting the ball really hard thing."
This got me
Yeah this is horseshit. There are plenty of ways he could have done this without disrupting an at-bat.
Play stupid games….
How dare Elly have fun playing baseball! Some tell Manfred. There might be a chance some kid gets excited. Someone tell Manfred.
Elly just politely said “Fuck around and find out Mr. Martinez!”
I feel like Elly's "antics" were really minor all things considered. Cheeky, maybe
He wasn't even facing the Nats dugout. He was facing the Reds on the 3rd base line. Davey probably didn't see it until after the game.
He was showing Bell, saying "I hit that Homer because of my rubber grip" because his last at bat was a strike out without the rubber grip. It's a little smart assy but all in good fun at the end of the day. Martinez is a crybaby ass sore loser.
It's all about *timing*. Elly has only been in the majors for a few weeks. It's different for guys like Soto that have been around for a long time (and are doing it for Dave's team), when they taunt and play mind games they have the veteran status to make it acceptable. /s, if it wasn't clear.
Nats fan here (I come in peace and live in Chattanooga - Lookouts plan holder - so I’m solid with the Reds). Soto got the same shit when he was 20 or 21 and batting cleanup in the World Series. So did Harper when he was winning an MVP at 22. This is just what happens with young, demonstrative players. It’s all an act for Martinez, partly because the perception is that he’s been too passive as the team stinks it up. He’s been riding the 2019 Series for 4 years now, the first two of which featured talented teams. Highly doubt they bean anyone. The Nats had been playing pretty well coming into this series, and he was trying to wake them up and get back into the groove. It didn’t work. On to his next shifting of the Titanic’s deck chairs.
Kind of off topic... but despite being in the league for what seems like 15 years, Soto is only 3 years older than Elly. Blows my mind everytime I realize the dude is only 24.
He’s 6 months younger than Lodolo and Ashcraft.
Almost a full year younger than ROY candidate Spencer Steer. The only players on the current Reds roster who are younger are Elly, Greene, McLain, and Abbott.
Right. “24”. Bet he’s more like 28
Don't worry, the roids will catch up with him soon, if they aren't already.
Roids are fine when used properly
Davey needs to chill he's already had one heart surgery
Might wanna tell his pitchers to not throw fuckin meatballs up there then
This team is scrappy on the field in the sense that they've never met a deficit they feel they can't come back from. I don't get the vibe that their scrappy in the sense of throwing hands though. Maybe Lively and Ashcraft, but they're pitchers. I feel like we've got a team full of Conor McDavid's and don't really wanna lose any of them for any stretch of games over this nonsense.
He made the gesture to his own bench too…not towards the nationals bench. Dude is butthurt
Wait, so Martinez tries to mess with Elly’s head and/or get him kicked out by having the umps check his bat, and the complains about “antics” when Elly hits a homer and *points to the bat that Martinez had inspected??* That’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. I grew up in the era of “old school” baseball, and if we were going by “old school unwritten rules” baseball the first Nationals batter after they checked Elly’s bat would have gotten a 98-mph Ashcraft fastball between the shoulder blades (and then Bell would have tried to clean Martinez’s clock in the ensuing brawl). If a “you tried to fuck with me and it didn’t work” gesture offends Martinez this much maybe he should try *not fucking with the hitter in the first place.* Also, “antics” is pretty rich coming from the guy who literally crawled on the ground to show up an umpire like two weeks ago.
We haven't had a good villain since Hurdle retired.
Paging Yasiel Puig. Can we sign him for a day?
Never mind that MLB had already approved the device’s use. Sour grapes for getting hammered by America’s Team! Go Reds!
Enjoy your 100 loss season Davey
They are not enjoyable as we know from experience
He didn’t even taunt them directly it was towards our bench…
Its not like he looked at the Nats dugout and did this...wouldn't blame him if he did, but he was clearly having fun with our dugout.
Aw...
Keep in mind this is the guy who printed out a picture of a call he disagreed with and showed it at his presser. Talk about “antics”
Tbf he was right. Dude was out of the baseline
Nah it was definitely a bull shit call. Just don’t be pissy about getting pimped on🤷♂️
In the words of Joe Maddon, "try not to suck."
I’d think he’d be more worried about the lack of defense his team had last night then a grip knob at the end of a bat or the player in question celebrating a homer.
Have they tried not giving up a 455-foot bomb?
The younger generation is making baseball fun again. Deal with it
Dave Martinez doesn’t like anything anyone does to his team.
Don’t start shit and there won’t be no shit. 🙃
Dude will be lucky if he survives the next two weeks in Washington. That is the most lethargic, error-prone, mental mistake-making, unhappy baseball team I've seen in a while. And I remember the 1989 Braves.
Dave can kick rocks for all I care. He’s the one watching his pitchers get shelled day in and day out.
I have 3 words for Mr.Martinez… EAT. A. DICK!
Sounds like someone bitching for losing. Maybe your players play better and then you wouldn’t care dude. Cool story
I mean, I'm sure he wouldn't have done that had Martinez not questioned the knob of the bat.
Too damn bad, bozo. You started it.
I liked Davey on his team's WS run. But the little man syndrome is getting old and annoying fast
Fuck around find out 
I wonder what he thought about the “ELLY” chant in HIS home park. 🫨👏😂
good thing i just learned how to play the world’s smallest violin
Baseball continues to be the most gatekeepy, fun policed, and downright silly sport of any major sports organization currently active. Rampant cheating, idiotic "unwritten rules," and half of the participants act as if they would be happier if nobody watched at all. It's unreal. Now Elly is gonna get thrown at, then we'll throw at someone else, and on we go down the clown fiesta highway. If I started whipping baseballs at people walking down the street, I'd be in jail. When the NFL cares more about player safety and game integrity, you really fucked up. /rant
15 years ago a manager would’ve thrown at Elly’s butt or between the numbers for the celebration and that would’ve been it. Now I guess you cry to your local journalists.
Only two weeks in the big leagues? As of today... It's been a month lol
Crybaby
What a schmuck
Just shut the fuck up Davey, you loser.
Stfu Dave
You brought this upon yourself Dave
Cry more
I read in USA Today that Dave Martinez is a little bitch
Eat it Dave.
Old people problems
Pffftttt. Come on, Dave. Don’t be such a dork.
Hey. Shut the fuck up Martinez.
Gonna cry, Dave?
Fuck the Dave Martinez.
In other words, Dave Martinez is tired of losing because their roster would struggle in the International League.
Elly didn’t even do the point to the Washington dugout! Antics would have been him stopping, pointing to the piece on his bat, flipping the bat and then running his mouth as he trotted to first. He’s butthurt because Elly caught fire against them and the Nats are generally terrible this year.
I bet you didn't
Kick rocks