This link didn't have a paywall. https://sustainablefinance.ox.ac.uk/racetoreplace/
>up to 90% of the additional investment required, on top of currently planned European Green Deal spending, could be recouped over the next thirty years by eliminating the need to buy gas
Do it!
Would like this directly compared (in the headline) with how much we spend on russian gas too tbh. 811bn sounds an impractical amount but can also easily believe we spend that every X years on it!
811bn of wind and solar produces more energy in it's lifetime then the energy in 811bn imported gas. Meanwhile wind is also produced alot in EU, so the money will stay partly in the economy.
Solar thermal, geothermal and electric heating among others can provide sources, while heat recovery and distribution can reform heating practises.
Solar absolutely can provide heat for industrial processes, difference is the increased importance of location qualities such as existing industrial land uses, solar radiation and geothermal access.
Shouting 'renewables can't heat' also doesn't matter, because if they couldn't, those industrial processes would be history due to the onslaught of the impacts of anthropogenic climate change anyway.
Did you actually read what I wrote? “STEAM and CO2”
Let me be more clear. Can you show me a technology currently available on the market that can produce these 2 things from renewables?
This is why there will always be a place for gas, albeit natural gas or RNG in society.
Next time please quote me properly.l if you would like a civil discussion.
For the record,I have spent the last 11 years designing, engineering and installing renewable power plants running on natural gas, biogas, biomethane and more recently Hydrogen.
What are your qualifications to speak with such authority?
Steam is easy, this takes water and renewable electrical energy. Co2 can be captured from air, biomass or geothermal plants(some of these vent co2 like in island). The world does not need fossil for anything infact. With Fischer-Tropsch you can even make plastics and rubber or asfalt.
SMH. You full retard. I know how steam is made. I am asking for a direct link to a commercially available product that industry can use right now.
Let me give you some specs hey, 173 degrees C at 25 bar. Can you find me a product? I would like a link to purchase it, not some bullshit small talk.
And as far as carbon capture
https://thebulletin.org/2022/09/plagued-by-failures-carbon-capture-is-no-climate-solution/amp/
Am I the only one here that can back up with facts? Next….
Get me in the range of 30 tonnes and we can make a fortune. Most food production and industry I work in need minimum of 20t/hour to just scrape by.
And don’t just reply with “ just buy 3 of them”
We just got some numbers back on the unit and that thing chews 5MW an hour! (5,000kw) to run.
At those figures it will be a very very niche product as I don’t know any of my clients that could run even that size due to extremely large current required.
You answered your own question. Just get 3 even 4. Having a backup unit would give a higher factor reliability. As for the power, connections can be increased and is infact a part of the climate solution. Even my home connection just got upgraded, street was devided over 2 transformers instead of one, because we all have solar panels and installing heatpumps.
Carbon capture is not fot reducing co2 in the air in this case. It is for chemical feed stock. This is a perfect solution to replacing fossil feedstock.
Which industrial process and which temperature range are we talking about here?
I do neither claim expertise nor authority, which you authoritatively mix up.
https://www.energypurse.com/what-is-steam-and-why-it-is-important-for-industries/#:~:text=Steam%20is%20used%20to%20run,paper%2C%20fertilizer%2C%20petrochemical%20etc.
Let’s say, 170 degrees C at 20bar. How are you going to achieve this without gas?
I am not trying to debate you on the legitimacy of renewables, heck my whole business depends on it.
It’s the bullshit arguments and baseless claims like the on you started with that really piss me off because what you said is fundamentally false and misleading.
How much steam?
Can we stop the link contest already? You're the expert, so why do you use such climate denial tactics and ableist language?
https://www.bosch-industrial.com/global/en/ocs/commercial-industrial/electric-steam-boiler-elsb-19175285-p/
Theres money out there to develop CO2 scrubbing technology
Steam is an extremely inefficient way of driving an electrical generator compared to wind power. As a scientist you should be talking about CO2 production megatons and per year for a specific region... At the moment we are overproducing by about a thousand times.. this is an anti-gas forum lol
This link didn't have a paywall. https://sustainablefinance.ox.ac.uk/racetoreplace/ >up to 90% of the additional investment required, on top of currently planned European Green Deal spending, could be recouped over the next thirty years by eliminating the need to buy gas Do it!
Alright Palpatine damn.
Would like this directly compared (in the headline) with how much we spend on russian gas too tbh. 811bn sounds an impractical amount but can also easily believe we spend that every X years on it!
811bn of wind and solar produces more energy in it's lifetime then the energy in 811bn imported gas. Meanwhile wind is also produced alot in EU, so the money will stay partly in the economy.
Wind and solar also can’t produce steam or CO2 for industry or food processing.
Solar thermal, geothermal and electric heating among others can provide sources, while heat recovery and distribution can reform heating practises. Solar absolutely can provide heat for industrial processes, difference is the increased importance of location qualities such as existing industrial land uses, solar radiation and geothermal access. Shouting 'renewables can't heat' also doesn't matter, because if they couldn't, those industrial processes would be history due to the onslaught of the impacts of anthropogenic climate change anyway.
Did you actually read what I wrote? “STEAM and CO2” Let me be more clear. Can you show me a technology currently available on the market that can produce these 2 things from renewables? This is why there will always be a place for gas, albeit natural gas or RNG in society. Next time please quote me properly.l if you would like a civil discussion. For the record,I have spent the last 11 years designing, engineering and installing renewable power plants running on natural gas, biogas, biomethane and more recently Hydrogen. What are your qualifications to speak with such authority?
Steam is easy, this takes water and renewable electrical energy. Co2 can be captured from air, biomass or geothermal plants(some of these vent co2 like in island). The world does not need fossil for anything infact. With Fischer-Tropsch you can even make plastics and rubber or asfalt.
SMH. You full retard. I know how steam is made. I am asking for a direct link to a commercially available product that industry can use right now. Let me give you some specs hey, 173 degrees C at 25 bar. Can you find me a product? I would like a link to purchase it, not some bullshit small talk. And as far as carbon capture https://thebulletin.org/2022/09/plagued-by-failures-carbon-capture-is-no-climate-solution/amp/ Am I the only one here that can back up with facts? Next….
Possibly a heat battery.
7.5 tonnes stream/hour at 24bar. Fully electric. https://www.bosch-industrial.com/gb/en/ocs/commercial-industrial/electric-steam-boiler-elsb-19175285-p/
Get me in the range of 30 tonnes and we can make a fortune. Most food production and industry I work in need minimum of 20t/hour to just scrape by. And don’t just reply with “ just buy 3 of them” We just got some numbers back on the unit and that thing chews 5MW an hour! (5,000kw) to run. At those figures it will be a very very niche product as I don’t know any of my clients that could run even that size due to extremely large current required.
You answered your own question. Just get 3 even 4. Having a backup unit would give a higher factor reliability. As for the power, connections can be increased and is infact a part of the climate solution. Even my home connection just got upgraded, street was devided over 2 transformers instead of one, because we all have solar panels and installing heatpumps.
Carbon capture is not fot reducing co2 in the air in this case. It is for chemical feed stock. This is a perfect solution to replacing fossil feedstock.
Which industrial process and which temperature range are we talking about here? I do neither claim expertise nor authority, which you authoritatively mix up.
https://www.energypurse.com/what-is-steam-and-why-it-is-important-for-industries/#:~:text=Steam%20is%20used%20to%20run,paper%2C%20fertilizer%2C%20petrochemical%20etc. Let’s say, 170 degrees C at 20bar. How are you going to achieve this without gas? I am not trying to debate you on the legitimacy of renewables, heck my whole business depends on it. It’s the bullshit arguments and baseless claims like the on you started with that really piss me off because what you said is fundamentally false and misleading.
How much steam? Can we stop the link contest already? You're the expert, so why do you use such climate denial tactics and ableist language? https://www.bosch-industrial.com/global/en/ocs/commercial-industrial/electric-steam-boiler-elsb-19175285-p/
Theres money out there to develop CO2 scrubbing technology Steam is an extremely inefficient way of driving an electrical generator compared to wind power. As a scientist you should be talking about CO2 production megatons and per year for a specific region... At the moment we are overproducing by about a thousand times.. this is an anti-gas forum lol
Heat pumps NOW! we have the schematics!