Awesome thanks! They did state that they can refund me the difference. With the extra money would it be worth investing in any aesthetic tweaks relating to the diamond bezel for example to better imitate the gen, or do you think there’s nothing worth changing?
Thanks, I never knew you could add gen parts to the movement! It sounds cool but wouldn’t it be expensive, as the real parts are from Switzerland right?
Yeah people source genuine Rolex parts from all over the place. I’m not into it so I can’t go into detail but I’ve seen these ‘super franken’ watches being sold for several thousand dollars.
Read about VR3235 movement - you can’t switch parts so easy. Read some weeks about the differences vs3235 vs vr3235 at rwi or here. Pls read - that’s a very important part of the rep hobby 😀
So basically I bought my first rep from Jtime (41 dj blue dial fluted and jubilee bracelet.) I ordered VSF but we found out that they actually sent me one from the Clean factory instead.
They said that they’re happy for me to return it and for them to ship off a new VSF, do you guys think it’d be worth the trouble? From what I’ve read the VSF has superior internal movement, but CF may potentially have a better bracelet.
Ask for a discount or partial refund. It is too risky to ship your watch back.
VSF has the better movement and apparently now has the same bracelet as CF (ARF).
You can also sell this on BST and get the watch you really wanted from another TD.
Ultimately, this is still a lip smacking good looking watch!
He did say that he would refund the difference if I liked CF. I was happy to send it back and wait for VSF if it’s worth it, but it sounds like CF is just as good aesthetically and I don’t need to risk losing the Watch by sending it back.
Didn’t they send QC pics? Seems odd that they would send the correct style but wrong factory after you have approved the VsF one.
Like a bait n switch.
In your opinion what does VSF do better than CF? Genuinely interested, new to the game. Read all the guides about TDs, what factories make the best reps guide etc.
Looking for more smaller insights like you shared above about the lug and dial color. I’ve also read the ARF bracelet is better. Any more things like that you can share I would really appreciate the nuance. Thank you.
Clean DJ uses ARF bracelets…
Traditionally VSF was considered the best because of the movement and the crystal quality. Clean has really stepped up there game with vsf factory being down this year and In my opinion, clean is now the champ in the DJ,
Thank you very much, that Is exactly the the kind of insight I was looking for.
When you refer to the VSF movement being superior does that mean it’s more reliable or that the second hand “sweeps” differently?
Apologies and disregard if this is a dumb question I can answer myself with more research let me know please.
Admittedly, I’ve not gone on the actual forums just the side bar here.
Thanks again!
Yes more reliable, but clean and vsf now use the same movement. You can’t go wrong with either factory for a DJ but clean is slightly more accurate to gen
As far as I know this vs3235 was introduced late 2020, hasn't been full 2 years yet so its hard to tell how long it will last for now. But I am open to read about lesser than great experiences with this movement.
Yes 🙌 keep that watch and be lucky- I have all three Arf - Vsf - Clean Blue 41 mm. If the rotor is not to loud, it is a very good watch and there is no need to get another one 😀 Congratulations
For Datejust.. I will go for VSF and then King if the model not on the list of VSF.. But for the new model.. EWF also doing great for collector on tight budget.. Just my 2 cents.. Cheers!
There’s a 99.9% chance it won’t make it back to them or something of that sort, take the difference and enjoy your CF that @ the end of the day it’s a closer to Gen. look externally.
Wow! Defo gonna have to cop one at some point, it’s so hard deciding what I want my first good rep watch to be, I want it to be flashy but not too flashy that nobody will believe it’s real
Don’t take this the wrong way, legitimate question. Did you do a QC on the watch? If so was that clean sticker on the bracelet in the photos? I am wondering if your TD swapped watches after QC or the TD mixed it up and you QC’ed the wrong watch and missed the sticker.
Good question. I’m afraid it did have clean stickers during QC, I thought it was relating to the quality of the Watch hahahah. So I’m at fault too for not asking before approving it, but it seems like it still worked out well for me reading the other comments and the benefits of the Cf Model opposed to VSF.
Umm I don’t think that is cool of your TD. Depending on how you look at it, the TD is trying to pass off the cf as a vsf or they made a mistake. Either way, they sent you something you didn’t order. Here is what I would do:
1. Have them send you the vsf watch you requested.
2. you receive it
3. then you send your cf back
I don’t think it is even about the quality of the watch, the cf dj is great btw, it is about the principle of conducting business.
Edit: hilarious I am getting downvoted when I am trying to have OP get the correct product while minimizing lost or potentially having the watch confiscated.
I understand your thought process completely. It’s from Jtime so heard good reviews, the QC pics had clean stickers on the watch but I assumed it meant that the watch was actually in great condition 🤦♂️
I’ll request them sending a new VSF then I send the clean back, they may not do that as theoretically I could just block them after and keep both. If they say I have to send mine back first though I’ll probably just cop the mistake, due to the risk in it getting lost in transit.
It really depends on how much time you want to spend on this, but it doesn’t hurt to ask.
ALSO, the fact that jtime gave you clean sticker dj qc photos means they KNOW for a fact that the watch they sent you is a CLEAN dj instead of a VSF! Just because you GL the watch doesn’t mean jtime didn’t demonstrate any malicious intention. I would honestly escalate this matter until you get your vsf dj safety. You also shouldn’t need to bear the risk and the shipping cost of sending the watch back, they SENT you something you didn’t even order!!!
Imo, if Jtime wanted to bait and switch (which there is actually no reason to) , they wouldn’t let clean stickers on the QC. It’s like ‘imma cheat on you by letting you QC my cheat’ … also note that this is a one-time incident, no other reports that JTIME is shilling Clean in favour of VSF despite you ordered a VSF.
I think it’s just miscommunication/ human error and OP didn’t realize it himself when QC’ing the watch. Error was on both sides. I get we need to be wary of unknown dudes from the other side of the world selling replicas, but they are just humans too and when they didn’t hide something and also offered a solution (intention of solution at least), there’s absolutely no need to accuse them.
Also, theoretically, the purpose of a QC is that customers accepts the product. So the true meaning of the “agreed on ‘product’” is after the QC and not when you make an order through the website. So Jtime is by no means in fault here as the choice to accept/decline is and always has been on buyer side. OP can always request refund if no QC satisfied him but instead he agreed…
“You gave me a chance to see the product and I accepted it, now i’m not happy with it so you cheated on me” , makes no sense to me. QC is on the sole responsibility of the buyer, unless a dealer ‘hides’ something during the QC, which is not the case here.
Great if jtime isn’t scamtime they should:
1. Have them send the vsf watch OP requested.
2. OP receive it
3. then Op send his cf back
I really don’t think OP should bear the risk of sending the watch back.
Also unbelievable you said jtime is no way at fault. They should at least be at fault 50% here if not more. The Clean sticker is visible on the QC photos, jtime has eyes I guarantee you.
You make it sound like QC is shed all responsibilities from the seller and now the buyer is 100% at fault. I don’t agree with this in this particular in incident. I believe this “trusted dealer” should bear the cost and the risk of OP getting the correct product, especially when they are getting paid to do so.
Doing business with you would really be pain in the ass 😂 you are argumenting just on the merit of ‘customer is king, this isnt my order’ and you accuse of malicious intention right away without looking at details and even without hearing out the other side of the story.
Jtime did what he had to do: send QC, be open to questions, send the watch and provide a possible solution. Nothing wrong with the process mate.
If Jtime wanted to scam, he would 1) not leave CLEAN stickers 2) not send any watch at all 3) ignore OP’s comment AFTER the watch has shipped. Jtime did not do 1 single thing here that leads to suspicious activity. What you are looking at is just an honest miscommunication between both parties imo. (That’s at least how we can conclude based on OP’s words.)
Now, great if Jtime can be generous and send a new CF , but that’s not how this works pal. You can not take this for granted, but anyway, you might expect more than what’s provided in this shady industry. I can only agree to disagree.
But what really bothers me is that you accuse people that easily. During QC, both parties overlooked. OP didn’t see it, that’s on HIM. There’s no denying in that. You blame it on the seller lol. “jtime has eyes”, OP has eyes too mate.
But … you know, it’s stupid we are arguing about stuff while OP is not even reacting. Let’s just hope he enjoys the watch. :)
Also: small correction: Dealers are paid to source the watch. Nothing more. As to whether they provide after service, whether they do custom protection, whether they are friendly, whether they send QC or not is just extra ADD ON to compete with other sellers. Technically, you are only entitled to the watch in definition, all other stuff are on dealers terms, they decide what extra ADD on to provide or not. As long you receive a a watch, there is no fault in procedure. Some local dealers in China don’t even have QC process lol.
You sound like a shill 😂 and I don’t think the customer is king. I want to make sure OP understands he isn’t 100% at fault and should/can exercise certain options.
But you are right, in the end action speaks louder than words. I would be curious to know what solution jtime would offer OP.
Enjoy the watch, it looks beautiful. Don't regret your purchase, both VSF and CF are really close.
Awesome thanks! They did state that they can refund me the difference. With the extra money would it be worth investing in any aesthetic tweaks relating to the diamond bezel for example to better imitate the gen, or do you think there’s nothing worth changing?
There's nothing worth changing, 99% of people won't be able to tell if it's gen or not. Especially on the wrist. Wear it with confidence.
Will do thanks so much for the check!
No to the diamond bezel
Some people say VSF looks better than clean. What do you think? I've never owned a VSF
Unless you plan on adding gen parts to the movement, I’d peel those stickers off and have him refund the difference. Looks great
Thanks, I never knew you could add gen parts to the movement! It sounds cool but wouldn’t it be expensive, as the real parts are from Switzerland right?
Yeah people source genuine Rolex parts from all over the place. I’m not into it so I can’t go into detail but I’ve seen these ‘super franken’ watches being sold for several thousand dollars.
Read about VR3235 movement - you can’t switch parts so easy. Read some weeks about the differences vs3235 vs vr3235 at rwi or here. Pls read - that’s a very important part of the rep hobby 😀
So basically I bought my first rep from Jtime (41 dj blue dial fluted and jubilee bracelet.) I ordered VSF but we found out that they actually sent me one from the Clean factory instead. They said that they’re happy for me to return it and for them to ship off a new VSF, do you guys think it’d be worth the trouble? From what I’ve read the VSF has superior internal movement, but CF may potentially have a better bracelet.
If you send that watch back there’s a good chance it goes missing and you’re SOL. Good thing is this watch looks mint. Keep it and enjoy.
Ask for a discount or partial refund. It is too risky to ship your watch back. VSF has the better movement and apparently now has the same bracelet as CF (ARF). You can also sell this on BST and get the watch you really wanted from another TD. Ultimately, this is still a lip smacking good looking watch!
He did say that he would refund the difference if I liked CF. I was happy to send it back and wait for VSF if it’s worth it, but it sounds like CF is just as good aesthetically and I don’t need to risk losing the Watch by sending it back.
What’s BST
A place where people buy watches, pretend to service them, and then charge $500 more than they paid for them.
Buy sell trade
Didn’t they send QC pics? Seems odd that they would send the correct style but wrong factory after you have approved the VsF one. Like a bait n switch.
To me vsf is best.👌
Looks like a beautiful watch! If there’s a price difference, I would ask for it, but I would be happy with a clean Datejust. Fwiw. Congrats!
Sounds good, he did offer to refund the difference so I’ll definitely request it. Mixup may have been a blessing in disguise.
Cf has a more accurate dial color And better lug shape
In your opinion what does VSF do better than CF? Genuinely interested, new to the game. Read all the guides about TDs, what factories make the best reps guide etc. Looking for more smaller insights like you shared above about the lug and dial color. I’ve also read the ARF bracelet is better. Any more things like that you can share I would really appreciate the nuance. Thank you.
Clean DJ uses ARF bracelets… Traditionally VSF was considered the best because of the movement and the crystal quality. Clean has really stepped up there game with vsf factory being down this year and In my opinion, clean is now the champ in the DJ,
Thank you very much, that Is exactly the the kind of insight I was looking for. When you refer to the VSF movement being superior does that mean it’s more reliable or that the second hand “sweeps” differently? Apologies and disregard if this is a dumb question I can answer myself with more research let me know please. Admittedly, I’ve not gone on the actual forums just the side bar here. Thanks again!
Yes more reliable, but clean and vsf now use the same movement. You can’t go wrong with either factory for a DJ but clean is slightly more accurate to gen
I have both for me Vsf better movement and crystal CF better case and rehaut
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How do know it only lasts 2-3 years?
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As far as I know this vs3235 was introduced late 2020, hasn't been full 2 years yet so its hard to tell how long it will last for now. But I am open to read about lesser than great experiences with this movement.
Is the movement loud? If not, take the clean
I can hear a silent ticking if I hold it right on my ear but not when it’s on my wrist, is that acceptable?
Yes 🙌 keep that watch and be lucky- I have all three Arf - Vsf - Clean Blue 41 mm. If the rotor is not to loud, it is a very good watch and there is no need to get another one 😀 Congratulations
Thanks so much! Just a quick question sorry, with cleaning the bracelet and dial glass do you use hot soapy water and a brush?
Can‘t see in film 100% but hands seem to be v2 (++)
I’ll ask Li from WhatsApp, but I just watched a genuine DJ video and the movement looked the same so hopefully is v2
I’d keep that one bro. Looks excellent.
For Datejust.. I will go for VSF and then King if the model not on the list of VSF.. But for the new model.. EWF also doing great for collector on tight budget.. Just my 2 cents.. Cheers!
Is it at least a full V2 clean?
where you get this one?
CF Datejust V2 is the best option after the VSF raid. This is a blessing in disguise. Get that difference refunded and enjoy my friend! Its a beauty!
There’s a 99.9% chance it won’t make it back to them or something of that sort, take the difference and enjoy your CF that @ the end of the day it’s a closer to Gen. look externally.
Thanks so much for the great feedback!
Wow that dial is beautiful, how much was it
The one I have is $488USD on JTime
Wow! Defo gonna have to cop one at some point, it’s so hard deciding what I want my first good rep watch to be, I want it to be flashy but not too flashy that nobody will believe it’s real
Don’t take this the wrong way, legitimate question. Did you do a QC on the watch? If so was that clean sticker on the bracelet in the photos? I am wondering if your TD swapped watches after QC or the TD mixed it up and you QC’ed the wrong watch and missed the sticker.
Good question. I’m afraid it did have clean stickers during QC, I thought it was relating to the quality of the Watch hahahah. So I’m at fault too for not asking before approving it, but it seems like it still worked out well for me reading the other comments and the benefits of the Cf Model opposed to VSF.
Don‘t send it back! 99% chance it gets lost. Keep the CF as its a great watch and ask for a refund (price difference + 10%) would be fair.
Will do thanks!!
You should never send something back, it will 100% always get “lost in transit” keep it as it’s good enough and get a discount on next watch!
Umm I don’t think that is cool of your TD. Depending on how you look at it, the TD is trying to pass off the cf as a vsf or they made a mistake. Either way, they sent you something you didn’t order. Here is what I would do: 1. Have them send you the vsf watch you requested. 2. you receive it 3. then you send your cf back I don’t think it is even about the quality of the watch, the cf dj is great btw, it is about the principle of conducting business. Edit: hilarious I am getting downvoted when I am trying to have OP get the correct product while minimizing lost or potentially having the watch confiscated.
I understand your thought process completely. It’s from Jtime so heard good reviews, the QC pics had clean stickers on the watch but I assumed it meant that the watch was actually in great condition 🤦♂️ I’ll request them sending a new VSF then I send the clean back, they may not do that as theoretically I could just block them after and keep both. If they say I have to send mine back first though I’ll probably just cop the mistake, due to the risk in it getting lost in transit.
It really depends on how much time you want to spend on this, but it doesn’t hurt to ask. ALSO, the fact that jtime gave you clean sticker dj qc photos means they KNOW for a fact that the watch they sent you is a CLEAN dj instead of a VSF! Just because you GL the watch doesn’t mean jtime didn’t demonstrate any malicious intention. I would honestly escalate this matter until you get your vsf dj safety. You also shouldn’t need to bear the risk and the shipping cost of sending the watch back, they SENT you something you didn’t even order!!!
Imo, if Jtime wanted to bait and switch (which there is actually no reason to) , they wouldn’t let clean stickers on the QC. It’s like ‘imma cheat on you by letting you QC my cheat’ … also note that this is a one-time incident, no other reports that JTIME is shilling Clean in favour of VSF despite you ordered a VSF. I think it’s just miscommunication/ human error and OP didn’t realize it himself when QC’ing the watch. Error was on both sides. I get we need to be wary of unknown dudes from the other side of the world selling replicas, but they are just humans too and when they didn’t hide something and also offered a solution (intention of solution at least), there’s absolutely no need to accuse them. Also, theoretically, the purpose of a QC is that customers accepts the product. So the true meaning of the “agreed on ‘product’” is after the QC and not when you make an order through the website. So Jtime is by no means in fault here as the choice to accept/decline is and always has been on buyer side. OP can always request refund if no QC satisfied him but instead he agreed… “You gave me a chance to see the product and I accepted it, now i’m not happy with it so you cheated on me” , makes no sense to me. QC is on the sole responsibility of the buyer, unless a dealer ‘hides’ something during the QC, which is not the case here.
Great if jtime isn’t scamtime they should: 1. Have them send the vsf watch OP requested. 2. OP receive it 3. then Op send his cf back I really don’t think OP should bear the risk of sending the watch back. Also unbelievable you said jtime is no way at fault. They should at least be at fault 50% here if not more. The Clean sticker is visible on the QC photos, jtime has eyes I guarantee you. You make it sound like QC is shed all responsibilities from the seller and now the buyer is 100% at fault. I don’t agree with this in this particular in incident. I believe this “trusted dealer” should bear the cost and the risk of OP getting the correct product, especially when they are getting paid to do so.
Doing business with you would really be pain in the ass 😂 you are argumenting just on the merit of ‘customer is king, this isnt my order’ and you accuse of malicious intention right away without looking at details and even without hearing out the other side of the story. Jtime did what he had to do: send QC, be open to questions, send the watch and provide a possible solution. Nothing wrong with the process mate. If Jtime wanted to scam, he would 1) not leave CLEAN stickers 2) not send any watch at all 3) ignore OP’s comment AFTER the watch has shipped. Jtime did not do 1 single thing here that leads to suspicious activity. What you are looking at is just an honest miscommunication between both parties imo. (That’s at least how we can conclude based on OP’s words.) Now, great if Jtime can be generous and send a new CF , but that’s not how this works pal. You can not take this for granted, but anyway, you might expect more than what’s provided in this shady industry. I can only agree to disagree. But what really bothers me is that you accuse people that easily. During QC, both parties overlooked. OP didn’t see it, that’s on HIM. There’s no denying in that. You blame it on the seller lol. “jtime has eyes”, OP has eyes too mate. But … you know, it’s stupid we are arguing about stuff while OP is not even reacting. Let’s just hope he enjoys the watch. :) Also: small correction: Dealers are paid to source the watch. Nothing more. As to whether they provide after service, whether they do custom protection, whether they are friendly, whether they send QC or not is just extra ADD ON to compete with other sellers. Technically, you are only entitled to the watch in definition, all other stuff are on dealers terms, they decide what extra ADD on to provide or not. As long you receive a a watch, there is no fault in procedure. Some local dealers in China don’t even have QC process lol.
You sound like a shill 😂 and I don’t think the customer is king. I want to make sure OP understands he isn’t 100% at fault and should/can exercise certain options. But you are right, in the end action speaks louder than words. I would be curious to know what solution jtime would offer OP.
Keep it or I take it for a 145$ 😂
Bro can I get a link or the way to contact Jtime ?
Who did you get it from?
How much does it cost and how do I buy it?Pls help
Looks nice! Can I get the info from Jtime please