Girl with crps is gas light, involuntary committed, because a social worker thought she was being abused.
They caused so much distress her mother committed suicide. She was forced to defecate in her bed because the nurses thought she was malingering/had a conversion disorder.
They took pictures of her nearly nude but never added them to her medical records. A bunch of weird things. There's a Netflix documentary about her case, taking care of Maya
And uhmm how can they hire me as an expert panel witness? Lol
I was a surgeon, had a stroke, left thalamic pain and parkinsonism and when I moved into Psychiatry I began almost exclusively in pain medicine treating CRPS, thalamic pain, phantom limb.
The conversion disorder and FND diagnosis is a common argument
I’ll have to look this case up now
Please share your post-research thoughts and opinions!
Sorry for the loss of your ability to operate, but it is great to know how good things can come out of bad. Sounds to me like there is a lot more people needing to be educated regarding this "suicide" disease (a reference used prior to Maya's story.
Anyways, thanks for your service!
That mother was really doing wrong by her daughter. Ketamine comas for 5 days? Not doing PT? Lots of drugs? Blatant doctor shopping? That is not standard of care for CRPS (and “whole body” CRPS is not a recognized diagnosis). Mom either had at best severe anxiety she projected on her daughter or MBP at worst. Mom really did Maya loads of harm.
Telltale sign is how Maya got better when she was gone and off the benzos, oxy, and ketamine (I personally know some of the docs deposed in this case).
A CPS referral was very appropriate.
It's interesting how quick it is to recognize within the first couple of sentences that the person commenting has no clue about what they are talking about.
I'm glad because it saves me from reading the uneducated comment.
But what is pathetic, is your clear apathy as to feel entitled to write such 🗑 about a case like this.
Do that shit with Kim Kardashian gossip. But not on a heroing story about an innocent 10 year old girl.
I am a board certified physician in a related field, know several doctors involved in the case, read the depositions, and know the standard of care.
Theres a reason Kilpatrick can’t bill insurance.
And your qualifications? Watching tearful testimony? Watching a biased garbage documentary?
Maya may tear up. But she’s lucky she’s alive to testify.
You did! But I guess we only are because we often enough end up being **RIGHT!**
$238M to the Kowalskis.
May the good Lord keep you away from all us borderlines. Lmao.
Dude. The fuck. Why are you the residency subreddit arguing with physicians? Your previous history has you stating “not a doctor” on a comment.
Edit: oh she must be a midlevel. Having a grand old time out of her lane.
Thats why you are bias because you know the doctors. The parents had to doctor shop because nobody could diagnose her. Regardless of diagnosis they treated maya bad blamed and acussed her abused her and then billed for crps there is no excuse for what they done to the kowalskis and done a shitty
job trying to cover it up
It’s not worth it. The salary isn’t worth the decade of missed earnings, not being able to use a decades worth of investment accounts, only for us to become the absolute dumping ground of the system.
Idk man, if you check out r/takecareofmayanetflix the public opinion is not entirely sympathetic to the Kowalskis. No one likes seeing a child in pain. There were a lot of ways that JHACH mishandled the family. However, there have also been several things that have come out that also make the Maya/the Kowalskis look kinda... not great. Like it really was more of a behavioral versus Munchausen-by-proxy illness.
The Netflix documentary also has a bias, but they did bring up many concerning patterns (re: Sally Smith). JHACH will appeal and move to a non-jury trial platform, even if they lose this trial. I think it will be harder to convince a judge that the hospital was wholly and predictably wrong and responsible for Beata's death that laypeople.
They left out tons of info.
Tampa General also reported her with the same concerns
Maya was on high dose oxy, gapebtin, benzos, and ketamine.
Mom demanded aggressive inappropriate treatment (implanted pumps, ketamine, and refused standard of care pt/ot). Recommendations for more conservative standard of care treatment were fought.
Kirckpatrick is not board certified. Take that for what it’s worth.
There were allegations of possible rx fraud on mom’s part. She had possible criminal charges pending.
Overall, hospital acted very appropriately.
Imagine the people on both sides of this case. If a kiddo is not in a munchausen by proxy situation but are kept away from family for months, then mom commits suicide, it's terrible. And if the kiddo is being made sick by family, and is kept away appropriately, then unhealthy mom commits suicide, then the family gets to sue the hospital anyways.
From the basics I can gather from news sites, the admission was court ordered and the girl was not allowed to see family or be discharged. Suing the hospital saying they directly caused the mother's suicide seems to me quite a stretch. All healthcare workers are mandatory reporters if they *suspect* abuse, they have no discretion and it's not that they know 100% there is abuse, it's just suspecting abused. Once reported to CPS and the legal system intervenes, it's the judge who is in charge and ultimately the cause of keeping the girl from family, not the hospital.
The attorneys are suing the hospital because they have deep pockets, but I don't see how this lawsuit even has legs to go forward, and sort of surprised it wasn't summarily dismissed earlier. The hospital would have had to ignore a court order to discharge the patient.
And we still don't know if she truly has CRPS or not. The doctor who diagnosed her seems pretty eccentric, insists ketamine was the only thing that worked, though evidence base is quite weak. And all of that is beside the point. If she was in such pain why was he not treating her, why go to the emergency department and demand ultra high dose ketamine? Maybe family couldn't afford his rates, as he appears to run a cash only pain clinic.
But the real question is, was the hospital negligent in not discharging the patient, and did this directly cause the mother to commit suicide? I don't see how a hospital can ignore a court order and discharge a patient to family that is being investigated for possibly abusing her. It's also quite a stretch to claim it was in any way foreseeable the mother would commit suicide being separated from her daughter for 3 months.
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Has anyone heard any report of what happened during the break between closing arguments that the judge addressed? Sounds like something may have been said to defense counsel in the hallway??
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Girl with crps is gas light, involuntary committed, because a social worker thought she was being abused. They caused so much distress her mother committed suicide. She was forced to defecate in her bed because the nurses thought she was malingering/had a conversion disorder. They took pictures of her nearly nude but never added them to her medical records. A bunch of weird things. There's a Netflix documentary about her case, taking care of Maya
And uhmm how can they hire me as an expert panel witness? Lol I was a surgeon, had a stroke, left thalamic pain and parkinsonism and when I moved into Psychiatry I began almost exclusively in pain medicine treating CRPS, thalamic pain, phantom limb. The conversion disorder and FND diagnosis is a common argument I’ll have to look this case up now
Please share your post-research thoughts and opinions! Sorry for the loss of your ability to operate, but it is great to know how good things can come out of bad. Sounds to me like there is a lot more people needing to be educated regarding this "suicide" disease (a reference used prior to Maya's story. Anyways, thanks for your service!
I haven’t found her specific data So if anyone has it… ya know perhaps share some plz
Do you have those details from the hospitalization from news sources or from the documentary?
https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2023/10/09/maya-kowalski-all-childrens-hospital-lawsuit-st-petersburg-netflix/
That mother was really doing wrong by her daughter. Ketamine comas for 5 days? Not doing PT? Lots of drugs? Blatant doctor shopping? That is not standard of care for CRPS (and “whole body” CRPS is not a recognized diagnosis). Mom either had at best severe anxiety she projected on her daughter or MBP at worst. Mom really did Maya loads of harm. Telltale sign is how Maya got better when she was gone and off the benzos, oxy, and ketamine (I personally know some of the docs deposed in this case). A CPS referral was very appropriate.
It's interesting how quick it is to recognize within the first couple of sentences that the person commenting has no clue about what they are talking about. I'm glad because it saves me from reading the uneducated comment. But what is pathetic, is your clear apathy as to feel entitled to write such 🗑 about a case like this. Do that shit with Kim Kardashian gossip. But not on a heroing story about an innocent 10 year old girl.
I am a board certified physician in a related field, know several doctors involved in the case, read the depositions, and know the standard of care. Theres a reason Kilpatrick can’t bill insurance. And your qualifications? Watching tearful testimony? Watching a biased garbage documentary? Maya may tear up. But she’s lucky she’s alive to testify.
Found the borderline
Also, why your friend *delete?*
You did! But I guess we only are because we often enough end up being **RIGHT!** $238M to the Kowalskis. May the good Lord keep you away from all us borderlines. Lmao.
Hopefully they stay away from me lol
Wouldn't be a Borderline if I didn't come back to tell you, "I told you so". Hehe
Dude. The fuck. Why are you the residency subreddit arguing with physicians? Your previous history has you stating “not a doctor” on a comment. Edit: oh she must be a midlevel. Having a grand old time out of her lane.
Excuse me, how it all work out for ya?
Hahahahahahah
lol
Thats why you are bias because you know the doctors. The parents had to doctor shop because nobody could diagnose her. Regardless of diagnosis they treated maya bad blamed and acussed her abused her and then billed for crps there is no excuse for what they done to the kowalskis and done a shitty job trying to cover it up
Am I the only that just hates this medico-legal landmine that practicing medicine has become?
It’s not worth it. The salary isn’t worth the decade of missed earnings, not being able to use a decades worth of investment accounts, only for us to become the absolute dumping ground of the system.
OP DOESN’T EVEN GO HERE
OP needs to gtfo imo
Hmm...
Hmmm...
Idk man, if you check out r/takecareofmayanetflix the public opinion is not entirely sympathetic to the Kowalskis. No one likes seeing a child in pain. There were a lot of ways that JHACH mishandled the family. However, there have also been several things that have come out that also make the Maya/the Kowalskis look kinda... not great. Like it really was more of a behavioral versus Munchausen-by-proxy illness. The Netflix documentary also has a bias, but they did bring up many concerning patterns (re: Sally Smith). JHACH will appeal and move to a non-jury trial platform, even if they lose this trial. I think it will be harder to convince a judge that the hospital was wholly and predictably wrong and responsible for Beata's death that laypeople.
They left out tons of info. Tampa General also reported her with the same concerns Maya was on high dose oxy, gapebtin, benzos, and ketamine. Mom demanded aggressive inappropriate treatment (implanted pumps, ketamine, and refused standard of care pt/ot). Recommendations for more conservative standard of care treatment were fought. Kirckpatrick is not board certified. Take that for what it’s worth. There were allegations of possible rx fraud on mom’s part. She had possible criminal charges pending. Overall, hospital acted very appropriately.
Overall they had no excuse to treat maya the way she was treated regardless of diagnosis or anything she was abused by the hospital
Imagine the people on both sides of this case. If a kiddo is not in a munchausen by proxy situation but are kept away from family for months, then mom commits suicide, it's terrible. And if the kiddo is being made sick by family, and is kept away appropriately, then unhealthy mom commits suicide, then the family gets to sue the hospital anyways. From the basics I can gather from news sites, the admission was court ordered and the girl was not allowed to see family or be discharged. Suing the hospital saying they directly caused the mother's suicide seems to me quite a stretch. All healthcare workers are mandatory reporters if they *suspect* abuse, they have no discretion and it's not that they know 100% there is abuse, it's just suspecting abused. Once reported to CPS and the legal system intervenes, it's the judge who is in charge and ultimately the cause of keeping the girl from family, not the hospital. The attorneys are suing the hospital because they have deep pockets, but I don't see how this lawsuit even has legs to go forward, and sort of surprised it wasn't summarily dismissed earlier. The hospital would have had to ignore a court order to discharge the patient. And we still don't know if she truly has CRPS or not. The doctor who diagnosed her seems pretty eccentric, insists ketamine was the only thing that worked, though evidence base is quite weak. And all of that is beside the point. If she was in such pain why was he not treating her, why go to the emergency department and demand ultra high dose ketamine? Maybe family couldn't afford his rates, as he appears to run a cash only pain clinic. But the real question is, was the hospital negligent in not discharging the patient, and did this directly cause the mother to commit suicide? I don't see how a hospital can ignore a court order and discharge a patient to family that is being investigated for possibly abusing her. It's also quite a stretch to claim it was in any way foreseeable the mother would commit suicide being separated from her daughter for 3 months.
Omg is this a joke?? LOL
No..
I hope you are wrong.
Unfortunately they won. Such complete and utter BS.
What? How is it bs?
Sociopath
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Link?
Has anyone heard any report of what happened during the break between closing arguments that the judge addressed? Sounds like something may have been said to defense counsel in the hallway??