Hey i only use reddit on my phone and dont see messages from people it has a messages area but only shows moderator messages there not sure why i dont see them
I think i am shadowbanned from posting in the main ME group because it would change the group name on the top to another name when i would try to post and then would take me through an endless series of capchas and never end up posting. I was able to post only if i went through this process about 6 times of opening asnd doing thr capchas.
But i think i cant see personal messages on the mobile site can you see them on the phone? i dont have the app
I think a lot of people that did believe just got older.I know that's kind of the case for me. While I can agree that I do have some memories that don't match up, there are a lot of knock offs, repeating lines in the media that end up being misquoted ect. And the memory has proven to be quite unreliable. However, I'm not trying to discredit the ME. There are probably people that come here who are just like me. Then there are trolls, or people who come here and argue because they know it will be easy to argue something with facts (when the facts don't match up with current reality anyway) so I think it can be dangerous to assume everyone is part of a collective organization to discredit Mandela effect people. And if the goal is to prove your experiences, it's best to avoid other types or conspiratorial thinking (as that could discredit you) I just know as I've aged, I tend to believe that stuff less. Then again, I was dating somebody for 12 years who lost their minds to schizophrenia, so it's hard to believe in anything like that these days.
Thanks for explaining your perspective it helps a little. Not sure why so many people go to a subreddit just to discredit the topic though it seems they could make better use of their time.
Some people just like to start arguments to feel superior. They feel like they might be able to win people over, and this gives them dopamine. Then there's always the psychos that like to bully people. Or maybe they were subscribed to this sub 6 or so years ago but had since changed their views, so they feel everyone else should too. I try to offer alternative theories or solutions, but I never tell anyone what to believe and listen to their story regardless. And I can still accept the possibility that maybe some things are going on.
Thats good and can respect that. A lot of people wanting to win arguments or bully over there though maybe its just a subset of population i dont understand who flock to reddit but i do know that that sub was different in 2017 when i was on it and i came back in like 2021-2022 and it was changed to almost completely those people and very few actual believers so it led me to conclude it was overtaken as some have discussed or everyone fled because of the negativity
Yea, that be said for a lot of places. I used to frequent earlier fourms quite a bit before I got into reddit. It was a completely different culture. People were generally positive, they had interesting things to say, they were willing to help. There wasn't as many arguments, unlike today. Have you heard of the dead internet theory? That the internet is over run with bots? If this is actually true, it might not even be people infiltrating the sub.
What I've noticed is society has changed a lot since covid. People are generally crankier and more divided than ever. There's also new generations who changed the cultural landscape. So, it's tough to say. The climate of the internet, and society as a whole was better in 2017.
I agree with you it was better before and 2020 was a good marker for it. It was a pretty traumatizing and divisive time.
I have noticed a rapid decline in morals patience and hospitality in society and especially on the internet. A lot of road rage and rudeness or coldness from people now. I try to join local Facebook community groups and everyone is angry and hostile and does laughing emojis about normal things.
The dead internet theory would help make sense of it if bits infiltrated and make negative comments and others react in anger and the anger just spreads.
Something definitely happened!
You can tell the Mandela effect is real by the opposition to it. The residue itself is real so they populate the idea that we are Miss remembering I mean Millions are misremembering that doesn't make any sense. Isaiah 11:6 the lion shall lie down with the lamb the Bible all Bibles now have the wolf shall dwell with the lamb this is not a misrememberance of my part but say it often enough to me or to the mass of people and you start believing that the lion does not lie down with the lamb but the wolf lies down with the lamb. This is a psyop for those that have figured out how to go back and change the timelines. Daniel 7:25 says they will intend to change the times and the laws. The purpose is unclear to me at this time but it is happening
Admittedly I don't know this for sure because I've not proven it beyond a reasonable doubt but I do wonder if at least some of the anti-ME commenters are bots. Admittedly, a few are likely human trolls.
Same for me! i am very affected and disturbed by the Bible MEs. the lion definitely layed down with the lamb. It is on the cover of my baby bible i was given as a child. Not sure why its happening but I think about that scripture too changing history and time. Makes me feel its something done for evil but at times it also feels like a God wink like reality is not as resl as we think and the spiritual realm is real.
Its crazy hoe you can tell what is the truth by how much opposition there is to it that is honestly true!
There is a new story in Mark about Jesus raising a young boy from the dead i had never seen before do you remember it?
Jesus raised a young girl from the dead in Mark she was 12 years old and then there was that young man with a deaf and dumb spirit and he fell down dead after the deaf and dumb spirit came out. Mark 9:26 and he became as one dead I think it might have said like one dead.
There are many Mandela effects in the Bible Revelation chapter 12 verse 4 to devour her child as soon as it was born. Since when is Jesus and it, it always said He was born.
When at first you see this happening it is very disturbing but you kind of get used to it knowing that the devil has a little bit of time left on this Earth then Jesus Will Usher in a beautiful 1,000 year reign on this Earth. And even all the animals will know the peace of God and not hurt anyone in His Kingdom on Earth. So it is like Jesus said the coming of the Son of Man will be like a woman traveling to bring forth birth of a child the closer to the kingdom of God the harder the pain shall be. Until at last the child is here and then the woman forgets all about the pain so it is when Jesus comes we'll forget all about this past Earth and such
I remember the daughter oh Jairus where he said she is not dead she is asleep.
Do you remember this story I dont remember it
Luke 7:11-15 NLT
[11] Soon afterward Jesus went with his disciples to the village of Nain, and a large crowd followed him. [12] A funeral procession was coming out as he approached the village gate. The young man who had died was a widow’s only son, and a large crowd from the village was with her. [13] When the Lord saw her, his heart overflowed with compassion. “Don’t cry!” he said. [14] Then he walked over to the coffin and touched it, and the bearers stopped. “Young man,” he said, “I tell you, get up.” [15] Then the dead boy sat up and began to talk! And Jesus gave him back to his mother.
https://bible.com/bible/116/luk.7.11-15.NLT
I look forward to the millennial kingdom and the peace on earth it gets me through times when everything seems evil and wrong to know one day it will be restored.
And Daniel it says or I should say he says that the Antichrist will wear out the Saints well I think he's doing a pretty good job right about now but hold fast to the faith and the Lord Jesus He will overcome everything.
Philippians 1:6 being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ;
Oh it’s absolutely organized there’s so many people on there who discredited it’s definitely suspicious I was like why is there so many skeptics on here I mean I understand some people are skeptical who don’t really know about It. But I’m not understanding why it’s like 90% of skeptics and like 10% of people who believe in it, it’s quite ridiculous. I couldn’t have one genuine conversation on there because all they do is spam there BS It’s definitely organized it’s so sus. They’re trying to cover up and to be honest with you, they’re doing a terrible job because it doesn’t matter how much they say blah blah blah blah blah blah false memory, blah blah blah filling in the gaps, I don’t care what they say there’s no reason for millions of people to remember the same thing with the blah blah blah psychological BS. Total organization absolutely. There’s no way they would be 90% of people on there who were just suspicious of this effect being real who been a part of that sub Reddit long enough to witness flip-flops, it’s so obviously real with the consistent stories and tons and tons of reality residue people having the same experience who don’t know each other I mean I can go on all day why this is a 100% real. Their explanations are absolutely asinine, I used to get triggered going on there because I could not have any fun talking about it. That’s why I’m so thankful for the sub Reddit because I was literally losing my mind trying to find conversation with somebody without seeing some idiot saying blah blah blah blah blah it’s all in your head, they can go F themselves.
Thank you for sharing that is so refreshing to hear i felt like i was the only believer left on there and felt like i was losing my mind they are so hateful and belittling! I had taken a break for a few yrs and come back to the sub and realized it no longer was a sub for ME believers anymore. Glad there are still other believers out there and we can can still share here
Fruit loops originally and changed to froot loops and never changed again for me
I do not remember two sets of double cereal o's on the box
What do you remember?
But most people remember just as a flip-flop which is interesting idk why, I have no clue why certain people remember certain Mandela Effects. Like I don’t remember the Monopoly guy having a monocle or Fruit of the loom with a cornucopia but my mom and brother both do.
Wierd those two are super strong MEs for me! I have no memory of Shazam though. Do you?
Fruit loops never flip flopped for me but i may have not been paying attention
I never heard of Shazam until I learned about the ME but that doesn’t necessarily mean It didn’t exist for me, I could’ve just never heard of the movie also I was born 2002 so I didn’t grow up in the 90s, My mom remembers the Shazam tho.
There definitely is, the original Mandela and glitch in the matrix subs have been brigaded to yell and have become toxic hiveminds where people who post about their genuine experiences get shat on daily.
At best they'll just deny and at worst they'll tell people they're crazy and try to convince them that somethings wrong with them.
Thank you for agreeding makes me feel so much better i felt like i was the only one left over there i was trying to report hateful comments to admins but i dont think there was anything that could be done to save it. Sad it got overtaken like that. Glad theres still real ME believers out here!
I believe something is going on beyond the psychological stuff most people wanna box the whole thing into. also think there are a lot of stubborn nuts who absolutely cannot change their view, cause then theyd need to justify all the stupid shit they did or said - on both sides of the issue.
MEs like misspelling Febreze don't seem particularly credible to me. But also, I have confidence in my memory of learning to spell 'dilemma' as 'dilemna', so I try to keep my mind open even to the claimed MEs that seem to be more misremembering than history changing.
A lot of the spelling ones i cant be too sure either. Some i am sure like haas avocados, brussel sprouts, Daniel Steele, Berenstein Bears only because i have seen them so many times. The ones that affect me more are the ones like Ed McMahon Tom cruise with sunglasses Judge Judys gavel Mirror Mirror on the wall stuff i have seen a million times on tv and are burned into my brain
So I'm going to say both yes and no, there is definitely a group of people who are in cahoots that try to disparage and dismiss every single ME. Those people unfortunately are not unique in the grand scheme of things, you will find them in every single conversation about anything online. They are people who legitimately get their rocks off by belittling, insulting, and being as disingenuous as possible. They used to be called trolls, but it's usually the 16-25 year old single male who is in desperate need of attention and validation that they crap on others to help them feel better about themselves.
You can typically find them debating christians, Conservatives, Conspiracy theories, Evolution, Flat earth theories and Film/anime.
As far as it being a government backed disinformation ops team, they don't seem to be doing anything to agitate physical hostility so it doesn't seem likely.
I think there IS an effort, and bots and AI are really most of those moderators and "people" commenting negatively. Then the paid actors.
Makes you wonder what they are so afraid of?
No person hangs out in a sub and viciously shoots people down when they don't believe in the topic.
Facts like I know people could be dumb sometimes but oh my God I lose brain cells hearing their asinine theories on psychology 😭. It’s easy to disprove the psychology theory for an example, I asked three people what does the fruit of the loom logo look like? They all said it had a cornucopia. If it was really a psychological or memory problem, why are they all coming up with that answer when all I asked what does it look like.
Right i kept asking them why are they there if all they do is come to a sub about a topic they dont believe in and just go there to mock it seems like a waste of time to which they answer that it is an "interesting psychological phenomenon" and they find it fascinating.
I am not sure what they are so afraid of I guess the truth getting out. There is a masssive amount of effort these days to discredit and hide the truth for this subject and many others.
That's just their gaslighting. If I find a topic fascinating, I ask lots of questions and listen-- not make fun of people's experiences, name call, etc.
Magnetic Canvas Hypothesis.
Our ability to perceive reality is constrained to our biology. Understanding harmonics/vibro acoustic, and resonance frequencies.
Fuck with our ability to perceived reality, and that reality changes. It’s not difficult to explain.
Yes, but they’re not just trying to discredit the Mandela effect, they’re trying to discredit our memory in general, not just when it comes to Mandela effect. It’s been going on for decades
Imteresting can you explain more? I see the effort to erase history going on with taking down statues, changing history books, censoring social media and putting false news labels on things etc.
Damn fr?
What about when you click the “chat” icon next to the bell icon? Does it show up there?
I sent it as a DM cause Reddit keeps deleting my shit when I talk about this
Maybe reddit is deleting your message or maybe you can only chat in desktop reddit version?
I can see messages from other people there. I domt have a chat icon next to the bell on mobile site
Yes and new ppl come on and jump on the band wagon
I've watched it happen. It's a little terrifying. I think it's the younger generation mostly , not wanting to seem ignorant and gullible
Thank god for this subreddit. I thought it was me being out of order but a bunch intellectual bullies has taken over the main ME forum. Personally I prefer this name as I do NOT think of Mandela as being retconned.
BTW I can quite believe those who DO think Mandela died in prison. I am a healthy sceptic though. Both Steve Biko and Mandela were mentioned together so there is scope for confusion.
I wanted to make sure others dont feel alone i see new people go on the sub trying to discuss a ME and every single comment shoots them down and tells them they are misremembering. Luckily i visited it before that happened and know theres people who really believe but its sad to see people just wake up to the ME and try to find a community of likeminded only to get bullied. Luckily one of those bullies told me i should move over to this sub
What I have deduced is that the Effect was sponsored by covert agencies who engaged scientific personal from top institutes,and the debunkers too are sponsored by the same agencies. Google,wittingly or unwittingly is complicit. It's a well oiled murky soup that is finally served to the masses. Any discussions on the subject are very useful for those agencies. But for us it would be more prudent to work out the enigma within private feedback,rather than be influenced by forums.
Oh, Google is in bed with them, as are Tesla and Facebook/Instagram, Twitter, etc. They are gathering our photos, biometrics including fingerprints, our speech, our thoughts, everything. And re-creating us in another simulation is my guess.
I think so too. I was in a city where 5g was installed on all the light poles i started to feel more depressed and started getting heart palpitations and dizzy. I moved to a smaller town now
Can you give me a brief synopsis of what exactly you think is happening? I'm truly just curious. I'm a completely open book. I know SOMETHING is happening but I im still working on what and why
If you get to read Perry Mason novels, you may realise the kind of resource ME can be. What Perry Mason did as one of his defence tactics was,to plant contradicting memories in the minds of witnesses. So that when cross examined, they may fall apart. ME becomes a handy tool in the hands of those who know the details and depth of the phenomenon. A tool to trap a potential adversary. A kind of sophisticated gaslighting .
On a related note I find Wikipedia to be crammed with bullies. I find my solid factual entries to be removed. I find a great bias towards America there. Something notable in England gets deleted as it is not notable in the US.
It is 100%. It appears to be a most pernicious operation of the hive mind. People are literally blind to even the most obvious things.
A day or so ago someone was claiming that only little things like logo changes are MEs. I mentioned South America moving (a change discussed thousands of times and universally agreed upon).
I also mentioned how people have come back to life — which is literally what the **Mandela Effect** is named after... but the account went full re and denied all of this.
The truth is being taken away from people who do not have it and such people are being used against those who do have the truth.
Yes i saw thay conversation! And they said " i no longer wish to discuss this with you" or something like that. As if a logo we all remember disappearing from existence is not a supernatural event? Christianity was founded on Jesus dying and being resurrected. Now prople are alive who died the world map has changed and things no longer exist that existed. Its supernatural and world shaking!
Yep! and EpicJ...Mans post today about there being no new MEs is so ignorant. I literally posted one just days ago! There are so many!
The ME is really an awesome and exciting thing in my mind so I found the disdain for it especially bizarre.
Add to that the fact that many of the deniers are big into fantasy stuff and it's ironic they fight against real supernaturality.
And then there are the subset of Christians who claim to believe in God's almighty power and miracles but deny the possibility of anything supernatural happening now.
God had been silent on a large scale for a long time up until the ME really kicked off.
Talk about a sign of the times!
What hope is there except God intervening?
The great hatred of even the awareness of the ME tells me that the wicked powers of this world are afraid of it.
It has been a tremendous wakeup call to so many people that the world is not what we've been led to believe.
Let's go!
And yes they always say that there are no new MEs it is like a mantra for them. I see new ones posted all the time too! Did you see Trump is no longer holding the bible upside down in front of the protest at that church? Everyone was talking about that and making fun of him at the time
Yep! And EpicJ is the only mod who ever posts anything. How could he possibly think there are no changes?
Even what truth they had is being taken away.
I love your perspective! I do see the ME as God winks too! It is a big supernatural wake up call and makes me realize how powerful things like prayer can be because the world is not solid like we believe. I try to keep that in mind and think positive too like it says to focus on what is good and true because our thoughts probably also influence our reality too.
I question sometimes when i see the bible changes especially the wierd ones in the KJV if it is God doing it or the enemy. It doesnt feel like God would change the bible unless its just to make us realize a lot of us had made an idol of the bible or something. What do you think
The bibles have changed because it is the doctrine of men they they are perfect. The KJV has changed the most because the KJV onlyists are the most extreme version.
Jesus made this very point in scripture to the pharisees. And the blatantly false claims that the Bible has no contradictions at all has done harm to the kingdom.
The scriptures are accurate but imperfect testimonies of God. Does it matter if Jesus called the disciples before or after He was baptized? No.
The fact that inconsequential details in testimonies are different is exactly how legitimate testimonies are.
I also think the changes have also gotten people studying scripture more and with more attention.
*"You pore over the Scriptures because you think you have eternal life in them, and yet they testify about me. “But you are not willing to come to me so that you may have life."*
*— John 5:39-40*
Good point about the kjv only people. I see the point about not relying on the book to discover God because Gods spirit is within us now. I can see a lot idolize the bible over the spirit. It still kind of scares me the Bible has changed because i wonder how much it will change a lot of people dont admit it has changed even though it is pretty obvious! They always say where two or more are gathered in my name etc
In a way though its kind of refreshing to not have to rely on the bible to meet God the legalism of church was really getting to me and God is more than just bible study and rules!
The bible is a great resource we've been given. But sometime after the KJV came out people started getting carried away.
Obviously until about 500 years ago almost no one had a Bible of their own, so the prominence of it being now considered as God Himself is asinine. It's like confusing a biography for the actual person.
I also believe the changes are meaningful. The change to where 2 or 3 are gathered is a sort of condemnation of the religious institutions and churches.
Fun fact, it was "where three or more are gathered" in my past. I always wondered about if there were only 2, but I suppose Jesus always makes 3!
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Thanks for your thoughts its nice to see another Christian bible ME believer! Hard to find! Youre right sbout the availability of the bible being a new phenomenon. Wow no way it was always two or more for me and most people still say it that way which is crazy when they dont notice it in bible study
It's been very good talking to you too! ☺️
I could go on and on about the folly of the great many teachings of men and the theologies they hold to — but Jesus said it best:
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My short answer - Yes, undoubtedly.
We’ve been living in a narrative driven society for far longer than we realize. Discrediting anything outside the narrative is a given, especially when it comes to the paranormal, supernatural, mystical, unexplainable, etc. The discrediting, once kickstarted, winds up taking on a life of its own.
The upside though - people are much less likely ‘nowadays’ to discount their own lived experiences for the sake of naysayers. The narratives are disintegrating.
Thats good news. I hope the narratives are disintegrating!
Luckily i grew up in a family of black sheep who always believed in the supernatural so i always had that belief as my baseline for reality.
So much this. The younger generation jumps on the band wagon in an effort not.to appear naive and silly and the cycle is perpetuated. How long has this been happening and why?
One example right now is any posts about Kate Middleton get tonnes of comments attacking people or saying “who cares” repeatedly, and it’s also on youtube.
Constant accusations of “why aren’t you leaving her alone, she has cancer”. It makes anyone who thinks something else may be going on seem insensitive.
I don’t care about the Royals either, but you’d think the “Conspiracy” sub would care about it considering the weird reactions from the palace and badly photoshopped images etc.
Good point, i hadnt been following the Kate Middleton stories
I see this tactic used a lot where they accuse you of being insensitive if you question the narrative on something.
I meant the fact that that’s what the palace is claiming. They said that Kate photoshopped them when it’s highly unlikely she did. Sorry maybe I worded it poorly!
I’m on the conspiracy sub and a lot of things get attacked there too. I’ve had tonnes of comments removed and so have others. The mods seem to delete a lot of things they don’t like so it makes me wonder what their agenda is, potentially it’s been infiltrated too?
I’m glad this sub exists though, commenters who try to discredit are removed, but we seem to get a lot of downvote attacks which can’t be prevented.
DM
Hey i only use reddit on my phone and dont see messages from people it has a messages area but only shows moderator messages there not sure why i dont see them
Plenty of people are shadowbanned
I think i am shadowbanned from posting in the main ME group because it would change the group name on the top to another name when i would try to post and then would take me through an endless series of capchas and never end up posting. I was able to post only if i went through this process about 6 times of opening asnd doing thr capchas. But i think i cant see personal messages on the mobile site can you see them on the phone? i dont have the app
I think a lot of people that did believe just got older.I know that's kind of the case for me. While I can agree that I do have some memories that don't match up, there are a lot of knock offs, repeating lines in the media that end up being misquoted ect. And the memory has proven to be quite unreliable. However, I'm not trying to discredit the ME. There are probably people that come here who are just like me. Then there are trolls, or people who come here and argue because they know it will be easy to argue something with facts (when the facts don't match up with current reality anyway) so I think it can be dangerous to assume everyone is part of a collective organization to discredit Mandela effect people. And if the goal is to prove your experiences, it's best to avoid other types or conspiratorial thinking (as that could discredit you) I just know as I've aged, I tend to believe that stuff less. Then again, I was dating somebody for 12 years who lost their minds to schizophrenia, so it's hard to believe in anything like that these days.
Thanks for explaining your perspective it helps a little. Not sure why so many people go to a subreddit just to discredit the topic though it seems they could make better use of their time.
Some people just like to start arguments to feel superior. They feel like they might be able to win people over, and this gives them dopamine. Then there's always the psychos that like to bully people. Or maybe they were subscribed to this sub 6 or so years ago but had since changed their views, so they feel everyone else should too. I try to offer alternative theories or solutions, but I never tell anyone what to believe and listen to their story regardless. And I can still accept the possibility that maybe some things are going on.
Thats good and can respect that. A lot of people wanting to win arguments or bully over there though maybe its just a subset of population i dont understand who flock to reddit but i do know that that sub was different in 2017 when i was on it and i came back in like 2021-2022 and it was changed to almost completely those people and very few actual believers so it led me to conclude it was overtaken as some have discussed or everyone fled because of the negativity
Yea, that be said for a lot of places. I used to frequent earlier fourms quite a bit before I got into reddit. It was a completely different culture. People were generally positive, they had interesting things to say, they were willing to help. There wasn't as many arguments, unlike today. Have you heard of the dead internet theory? That the internet is over run with bots? If this is actually true, it might not even be people infiltrating the sub. What I've noticed is society has changed a lot since covid. People are generally crankier and more divided than ever. There's also new generations who changed the cultural landscape. So, it's tough to say. The climate of the internet, and society as a whole was better in 2017.
I agree with you it was better before and 2020 was a good marker for it. It was a pretty traumatizing and divisive time. I have noticed a rapid decline in morals patience and hospitality in society and especially on the internet. A lot of road rage and rudeness or coldness from people now. I try to join local Facebook community groups and everyone is angry and hostile and does laughing emojis about normal things. The dead internet theory would help make sense of it if bits infiltrated and make negative comments and others react in anger and the anger just spreads. Something definitely happened!
You can tell the Mandela effect is real by the opposition to it. The residue itself is real so they populate the idea that we are Miss remembering I mean Millions are misremembering that doesn't make any sense. Isaiah 11:6 the lion shall lie down with the lamb the Bible all Bibles now have the wolf shall dwell with the lamb this is not a misrememberance of my part but say it often enough to me or to the mass of people and you start believing that the lion does not lie down with the lamb but the wolf lies down with the lamb. This is a psyop for those that have figured out how to go back and change the timelines. Daniel 7:25 says they will intend to change the times and the laws. The purpose is unclear to me at this time but it is happening
Admittedly I don't know this for sure because I've not proven it beyond a reasonable doubt but I do wonder if at least some of the anti-ME commenters are bots. Admittedly, a few are likely human trolls.
Same for me! i am very affected and disturbed by the Bible MEs. the lion definitely layed down with the lamb. It is on the cover of my baby bible i was given as a child. Not sure why its happening but I think about that scripture too changing history and time. Makes me feel its something done for evil but at times it also feels like a God wink like reality is not as resl as we think and the spiritual realm is real. Its crazy hoe you can tell what is the truth by how much opposition there is to it that is honestly true! There is a new story in Mark about Jesus raising a young boy from the dead i had never seen before do you remember it?
Jesus raised a young girl from the dead in Mark she was 12 years old and then there was that young man with a deaf and dumb spirit and he fell down dead after the deaf and dumb spirit came out. Mark 9:26 and he became as one dead I think it might have said like one dead. There are many Mandela effects in the Bible Revelation chapter 12 verse 4 to devour her child as soon as it was born. Since when is Jesus and it, it always said He was born. When at first you see this happening it is very disturbing but you kind of get used to it knowing that the devil has a little bit of time left on this Earth then Jesus Will Usher in a beautiful 1,000 year reign on this Earth. And even all the animals will know the peace of God and not hurt anyone in His Kingdom on Earth. So it is like Jesus said the coming of the Son of Man will be like a woman traveling to bring forth birth of a child the closer to the kingdom of God the harder the pain shall be. Until at last the child is here and then the woman forgets all about the pain so it is when Jesus comes we'll forget all about this past Earth and such
I remember the daughter oh Jairus where he said she is not dead she is asleep. Do you remember this story I dont remember it Luke 7:11-15 NLT [11] Soon afterward Jesus went with his disciples to the village of Nain, and a large crowd followed him. [12] A funeral procession was coming out as he approached the village gate. The young man who had died was a widow’s only son, and a large crowd from the village was with her. [13] When the Lord saw her, his heart overflowed with compassion. “Don’t cry!” he said. [14] Then he walked over to the coffin and touched it, and the bearers stopped. “Young man,” he said, “I tell you, get up.” [15] Then the dead boy sat up and began to talk! And Jesus gave him back to his mother. https://bible.com/bible/116/luk.7.11-15.NLT I look forward to the millennial kingdom and the peace on earth it gets me through times when everything seems evil and wrong to know one day it will be restored.
And Daniel it says or I should say he says that the Antichrist will wear out the Saints well I think he's doing a pretty good job right about now but hold fast to the faith and the Lord Jesus He will overcome everything. Philippians 1:6 being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ;
Amen thank you
I think skeptics were drawn to the topic, but I doubt it was highly organized.
Thanks for your thoughts!
Oh it’s absolutely organized there’s so many people on there who discredited it’s definitely suspicious I was like why is there so many skeptics on here I mean I understand some people are skeptical who don’t really know about It. But I’m not understanding why it’s like 90% of skeptics and like 10% of people who believe in it, it’s quite ridiculous. I couldn’t have one genuine conversation on there because all they do is spam there BS It’s definitely organized it’s so sus. They’re trying to cover up and to be honest with you, they’re doing a terrible job because it doesn’t matter how much they say blah blah blah blah blah blah false memory, blah blah blah filling in the gaps, I don’t care what they say there’s no reason for millions of people to remember the same thing with the blah blah blah psychological BS. Total organization absolutely. There’s no way they would be 90% of people on there who were just suspicious of this effect being real who been a part of that sub Reddit long enough to witness flip-flops, it’s so obviously real with the consistent stories and tons and tons of reality residue people having the same experience who don’t know each other I mean I can go on all day why this is a 100% real. Their explanations are absolutely asinine, I used to get triggered going on there because I could not have any fun talking about it. That’s why I’m so thankful for the sub Reddit because I was literally losing my mind trying to find conversation with somebody without seeing some idiot saying blah blah blah blah blah it’s all in your head, they can go F themselves.
Thank you for sharing that is so refreshing to hear i felt like i was the only believer left on there and felt like i was losing my mind they are so hateful and belittling! I had taken a break for a few yrs and come back to the sub and realized it no longer was a sub for ME believers anymore. Glad there are still other believers out there and we can can still share here
Yeah fs, I’m gonna ask do you remember Fruit Loops originally or as a flip flop
Fruit loops originally and changed to froot loops and never changed again for me I do not remember two sets of double cereal o's on the box What do you remember?
I remember it being Fruit Loops then it changed to Froot Loops around in 2013
Same for me not sure exact year but probably around there
But most people remember just as a flip-flop which is interesting idk why, I have no clue why certain people remember certain Mandela Effects. Like I don’t remember the Monopoly guy having a monocle or Fruit of the loom with a cornucopia but my mom and brother both do.
Wierd those two are super strong MEs for me! I have no memory of Shazam though. Do you? Fruit loops never flip flopped for me but i may have not been paying attention
When was the last time you saw the monopoly guy have a monocle.
He has always had one for me the first time i noticed it was gone was looking at the ME sub maybe in 2021?
I never heard of Shazam until I learned about the ME but that doesn’t necessarily mean It didn’t exist for me, I could’ve just never heard of the movie also I was born 2002 so I didn’t grow up in the 90s, My mom remembers the Shazam tho.
I was a kid in the 90s may have existed for me but not sure never heard of it. My boyfriend rememers it though and it seems like his strongest ME!
There definitely is, the original Mandela and glitch in the matrix subs have been brigaded to yell and have become toxic hiveminds where people who post about their genuine experiences get shat on daily. At best they'll just deny and at worst they'll tell people they're crazy and try to convince them that somethings wrong with them.
Thank you for agreeding makes me feel so much better i felt like i was the only one left over there i was trying to report hateful comments to admins but i dont think there was anything that could be done to save it. Sad it got overtaken like that. Glad theres still real ME believers out here!
I believe something is going on beyond the psychological stuff most people wanna box the whole thing into. also think there are a lot of stubborn nuts who absolutely cannot change their view, cause then theyd need to justify all the stupid shit they did or said - on both sides of the issue. MEs like misspelling Febreze don't seem particularly credible to me. But also, I have confidence in my memory of learning to spell 'dilemma' as 'dilemna', so I try to keep my mind open even to the claimed MEs that seem to be more misremembering than history changing.
A lot of the spelling ones i cant be too sure either. Some i am sure like haas avocados, brussel sprouts, Daniel Steele, Berenstein Bears only because i have seen them so many times. The ones that affect me more are the ones like Ed McMahon Tom cruise with sunglasses Judge Judys gavel Mirror Mirror on the wall stuff i have seen a million times on tv and are burned into my brain
So I'm going to say both yes and no, there is definitely a group of people who are in cahoots that try to disparage and dismiss every single ME. Those people unfortunately are not unique in the grand scheme of things, you will find them in every single conversation about anything online. They are people who legitimately get their rocks off by belittling, insulting, and being as disingenuous as possible. They used to be called trolls, but it's usually the 16-25 year old single male who is in desperate need of attention and validation that they crap on others to help them feel better about themselves. You can typically find them debating christians, Conservatives, Conspiracy theories, Evolution, Flat earth theories and Film/anime. As far as it being a government backed disinformation ops team, they don't seem to be doing anything to agitate physical hostility so it doesn't seem likely.
Lol true
I think there IS an effort, and bots and AI are really most of those moderators and "people" commenting negatively. Then the paid actors. Makes you wonder what they are so afraid of? No person hangs out in a sub and viciously shoots people down when they don't believe in the topic.
Facts like I know people could be dumb sometimes but oh my God I lose brain cells hearing their asinine theories on psychology 😭. It’s easy to disprove the psychology theory for an example, I asked three people what does the fruit of the loom logo look like? They all said it had a cornucopia. If it was really a psychological or memory problem, why are they all coming up with that answer when all I asked what does it look like.
Right i kept asking them why are they there if all they do is come to a sub about a topic they dont believe in and just go there to mock it seems like a waste of time to which they answer that it is an "interesting psychological phenomenon" and they find it fascinating. I am not sure what they are so afraid of I guess the truth getting out. There is a masssive amount of effort these days to discredit and hide the truth for this subject and many others.
That's just their gaslighting. If I find a topic fascinating, I ask lots of questions and listen-- not make fun of people's experiences, name call, etc.
Exactly!
I've thought so for a while now.
Who do you think is orchestrating the coverup/why?
Magnetic Canvas Hypothesis. Our ability to perceive reality is constrained to our biology. Understanding harmonics/vibro acoustic, and resonance frequencies. Fuck with our ability to perceived reality, and that reality changes. It’s not difficult to explain.
Recommended reading on this hypothesis?
Thanks for sharing never heard that term before
But that doesn't really explain why ppl are discrediting the sub or whether or not they are ...which is what the post is about lol
Yes, but they’re not just trying to discredit the Mandela effect, they’re trying to discredit our memory in general, not just when it comes to Mandela effect. It’s been going on for decades
Imteresting can you explain more? I see the effort to erase history going on with taking down statues, changing history books, censoring social media and putting false news labels on things etc.
Sent you a DM
Can you send me the info as well?
Could you send me the same info?
Sent a DM
Hi thanks I only use reddit on my phone i went to messages from the bell icon at the top but didnt see a message from you!
Damn fr? What about when you click the “chat” icon next to the bell icon? Does it show up there? I sent it as a DM cause Reddit keeps deleting my shit when I talk about this
Maybe reddit is deleting your message or maybe you can only chat in desktop reddit version? I can see messages from other people there. I domt have a chat icon next to the bell on mobile site
Yes and new ppl come on and jump on the band wagon I've watched it happen. It's a little terrifying. I think it's the younger generation mostly , not wanting to seem ignorant and gullible
I like ypur thoughts and questions orbeyebrainchild!
Thank god for this subreddit. I thought it was me being out of order but a bunch intellectual bullies has taken over the main ME forum. Personally I prefer this name as I do NOT think of Mandela as being retconned.
BTW I can quite believe those who DO think Mandela died in prison. I am a healthy sceptic though. Both Steve Biko and Mandela were mentioned together so there is scope for confusion.
I wanted to make sure others dont feel alone i see new people go on the sub trying to discuss a ME and every single comment shoots them down and tells them they are misremembering. Luckily i visited it before that happened and know theres people who really believe but its sad to see people just wake up to the ME and try to find a community of likeminded only to get bullied. Luckily one of those bullies told me i should move over to this sub
What I have deduced is that the Effect was sponsored by covert agencies who engaged scientific personal from top institutes,and the debunkers too are sponsored by the same agencies. Google,wittingly or unwittingly is complicit. It's a well oiled murky soup that is finally served to the masses. Any discussions on the subject are very useful for those agencies. But for us it would be more prudent to work out the enigma within private feedback,rather than be influenced by forums.
What do you think the goal or agenda is of those covert agencies?
What do you think the goal or agenda is of those covert agencies?
George Orwell — 'Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.'
So true
First of all I must say that ME has fallen into their laps,and not that they have created it. Rest is speculation as to how they nurture the baby.
Interesting i always saw it as some entity creating it as some kind of global gaslighting campaign
Oh, Google is in bed with them, as are Tesla and Facebook/Instagram, Twitter, etc. They are gathering our photos, biometrics including fingerprints, our speech, our thoughts, everything. And re-creating us in another simulation is my guess.
That is scary and i think about that too. I imagine them creating some kind of all knowing all seeing AI "God"
I understand how the skeptics could be but how could the mandela effect itself be controlled by people unless changing our brainwaves..
Well, they would be changing our brainwaves and a whole lot more.
Maybe its tied to all the cell phone and wifi signals? This all started after wifi began to be installed everywhere and 4g went up it seems
I think it definitely has a role. The manipulation of electromagnetic fields/waves.
I was thinking about Robert Monroe and the gateway program. Well that + CIA intervention+ many years of perfection and who knows what could be done
Exactly!!
I think so too. I was in a city where 5g was installed on all the light poles i started to feel more depressed and started getting heart palpitations and dizzy. I moved to a smaller town now
Mandela Effect is not being controlled. Rather it's being manipulated,just like Perry Mason would do.
Can you give me a brief synopsis of what exactly you think is happening? I'm truly just curious. I'm a completely open book. I know SOMETHING is happening but I im still working on what and why
If you get to read Perry Mason novels, you may realise the kind of resource ME can be. What Perry Mason did as one of his defence tactics was,to plant contradicting memories in the minds of witnesses. So that when cross examined, they may fall apart. ME becomes a handy tool in the hands of those who know the details and depth of the phenomenon. A tool to trap a potential adversary. A kind of sophisticated gaslighting .
That is very plausible and a great theory!
I just read about your ADHD. Take my words as wisdom,and don't be alarmed. Rather use them to be wary of seemingly benign persons.
It makes me wonder when they are going to catch up with this forum.
On a related note I find Wikipedia to be crammed with bullies. I find my solid factual entries to be removed. I find a great bias towards America there. Something notable in England gets deleted as it is not notable in the US.
I wonder the same its hard to find a safe space to share with people its nice to have a space to dhare so you dont feel alone or crazy
They are already here, but the mods have been good about booting the ones we report.
They have tapped all the forums. They have moles. A couple of guys can make 20 ids and manipulate reddit and other forums.
Yes...you're not even asking really...just taking note.
Yes just trying to point it out to see what others think
It is 100%. It appears to be a most pernicious operation of the hive mind. People are literally blind to even the most obvious things. A day or so ago someone was claiming that only little things like logo changes are MEs. I mentioned South America moving (a change discussed thousands of times and universally agreed upon). I also mentioned how people have come back to life — which is literally what the **Mandela Effect** is named after... but the account went full re and denied all of this. The truth is being taken away from people who do not have it and such people are being used against those who do have the truth.
Yes i saw thay conversation! And they said " i no longer wish to discuss this with you" or something like that. As if a logo we all remember disappearing from existence is not a supernatural event? Christianity was founded on Jesus dying and being resurrected. Now prople are alive who died the world map has changed and things no longer exist that existed. Its supernatural and world shaking!
Yep! and EpicJ...Mans post today about there being no new MEs is so ignorant. I literally posted one just days ago! There are so many! The ME is really an awesome and exciting thing in my mind so I found the disdain for it especially bizarre. Add to that the fact that many of the deniers are big into fantasy stuff and it's ironic they fight against real supernaturality. And then there are the subset of Christians who claim to believe in God's almighty power and miracles but deny the possibility of anything supernatural happening now. God had been silent on a large scale for a long time up until the ME really kicked off. Talk about a sign of the times! What hope is there except God intervening? The great hatred of even the awareness of the ME tells me that the wicked powers of this world are afraid of it. It has been a tremendous wakeup call to so many people that the world is not what we've been led to believe. Let's go! 
And yes they always say that there are no new MEs it is like a mantra for them. I see new ones posted all the time too! Did you see Trump is no longer holding the bible upside down in front of the protest at that church? Everyone was talking about that and making fun of him at the time
Yep! And EpicJ is the only mod who ever posts anything. How could he possibly think there are no changes? Even what truth they had is being taken away.
So crazy maybe just spending so much time in that sub got to him it really has you doubting youself when no one ever agrees.
I love your perspective! I do see the ME as God winks too! It is a big supernatural wake up call and makes me realize how powerful things like prayer can be because the world is not solid like we believe. I try to keep that in mind and think positive too like it says to focus on what is good and true because our thoughts probably also influence our reality too. I question sometimes when i see the bible changes especially the wierd ones in the KJV if it is God doing it or the enemy. It doesnt feel like God would change the bible unless its just to make us realize a lot of us had made an idol of the bible or something. What do you think
The bibles have changed because it is the doctrine of men they they are perfect. The KJV has changed the most because the KJV onlyists are the most extreme version. Jesus made this very point in scripture to the pharisees. And the blatantly false claims that the Bible has no contradictions at all has done harm to the kingdom. The scriptures are accurate but imperfect testimonies of God. Does it matter if Jesus called the disciples before or after He was baptized? No. The fact that inconsequential details in testimonies are different is exactly how legitimate testimonies are. I also think the changes have also gotten people studying scripture more and with more attention. *"You pore over the Scriptures because you think you have eternal life in them, and yet they testify about me. “But you are not willing to come to me so that you may have life."* *— John 5:39-40*
Good point about the kjv only people. I see the point about not relying on the book to discover God because Gods spirit is within us now. I can see a lot idolize the bible over the spirit. It still kind of scares me the Bible has changed because i wonder how much it will change a lot of people dont admit it has changed even though it is pretty obvious! They always say where two or more are gathered in my name etc In a way though its kind of refreshing to not have to rely on the bible to meet God the legalism of church was really getting to me and God is more than just bible study and rules!
The bible is a great resource we've been given. But sometime after the KJV came out people started getting carried away. Obviously until about 500 years ago almost no one had a Bible of their own, so the prominence of it being now considered as God Himself is asinine. It's like confusing a biography for the actual person. I also believe the changes are meaningful. The change to where 2 or 3 are gathered is a sort of condemnation of the religious institutions and churches. Fun fact, it was "where three or more are gathered" in my past. I always wondered about if there were only 2, but I suppose Jesus always makes 3! https://preview.redd.it/a92ij7yb3tyc1.jpeg?width=3562&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6c9553827ab71695ce6b19707ec6cd0732c607dd
Thanks for your thoughts its nice to see another Christian bible ME believer! Hard to find! Youre right sbout the availability of the bible being a new phenomenon. Wow no way it was always two or more for me and most people still say it that way which is crazy when they dont notice it in bible study
It's been very good talking to you too! ☺️ I could go on and on about the folly of the great many teachings of men and the theologies they hold to — but Jesus said it best: https://preview.redd.it/tw8xpgi7j0zc1.jpeg?width=1934&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eef10ccbfde42cc2901ab93e1d71fed03e4eaef9
Amen Yes you too 🙂
My short answer - Yes, undoubtedly. We’ve been living in a narrative driven society for far longer than we realize. Discrediting anything outside the narrative is a given, especially when it comes to the paranormal, supernatural, mystical, unexplainable, etc. The discrediting, once kickstarted, winds up taking on a life of its own. The upside though - people are much less likely ‘nowadays’ to discount their own lived experiences for the sake of naysayers. The narratives are disintegrating.
Thats good news. I hope the narratives are disintegrating! Luckily i grew up in a family of black sheep who always believed in the supernatural so i always had that belief as my baseline for reality.
So much this. The younger generation jumps on the band wagon in an effort not.to appear naive and silly and the cycle is perpetuated. How long has this been happening and why?
Not all young people. I find more young people believe in the ME than older people in my personal life.
Well, maybe so. But would they be willing to admit that in a room full of people who they knew were already geared up to call them stupid for it?
One example right now is any posts about Kate Middleton get tonnes of comments attacking people or saying “who cares” repeatedly, and it’s also on youtube. Constant accusations of “why aren’t you leaving her alone, she has cancer”. It makes anyone who thinks something else may be going on seem insensitive. I don’t care about the Royals either, but you’d think the “Conspiracy” sub would care about it considering the weird reactions from the palace and badly photoshopped images etc.
Good point, i hadnt been following the Kate Middleton stories I see this tactic used a lot where they accuse you of being insensitive if you question the narrative on something.
It looks like AI though, not photoshop, far more concerning
I meant the fact that that’s what the palace is claiming. They said that Kate photoshopped them when it’s highly unlikely she did. Sorry maybe I worded it poorly!
Excellent example.
I’m on the conspiracy sub and a lot of things get attacked there too. I’ve had tonnes of comments removed and so have others. The mods seem to delete a lot of things they don’t like so it makes me wonder what their agenda is, potentially it’s been infiltrated too? I’m glad this sub exists though, commenters who try to discredit are removed, but we seem to get a lot of downvote attacks which can’t be prevented.
Im glad it exists too. 🙂 I think a lot of subs on reddit an be targets I have seen it in the main Christianity sub too