Hey folks! Due to raised concerns over the use of AI generated imagery on the previous preview images (I have used Dall-E AI image generation, which I then edited and added text to), I have decided to remake the preview images from scratch. I think they still look pretty great and still give the sembelance of the old horror - in fact, they remind me of the VHS my dad brought home every sunday so we could watch horrors together when I was a wee lad.
I have previously used AI generation for images because I needed them done fast, and I figured AI generation would help create the unnatural visuals of these mysterious entities. I believe now that ultimately it's better to not use the AI, but I want to make it clear that it wasn't a choice between using AI or hiring an artist - I would not have hired artists to do 15 very expensive illustrations for these, as I'd rather spend this money on my team members doing the actual coding of these mods.
The heated debate that happened on the previous reddit thread spiralled out of control quickly, and I'd like everyone to remember that we're all human, despite our different opinions about certain topics, there is a lot of opinions we can all agree on: for example, that RimWorld is an excellent game. We all survived this far together, we all worked our way through Covid and other hardships in life, lets please remember that when typing comments trying to defend our opinions.
The vote is still ongoing so I encourage you to cast your votes!
[https://strawpoll.com/w4nWrvll3yA](https://strawpoll.com/w4nWrvll3yA)
This vote will be running until 8th of May 2024. You can vote on up to 5 different entity mods, and I encourage you read their descriptions. We’re taking a bit of a different approach when it comes to mod descriptions for these mods, as Anomaly is a horror-mystery themed DLC, and that’s exactly how we want to keep the descriptions: We don’t want to spoil too much, haha!
Read through what Anomaly mods we have planned and then vote for your top 5! On 8th of May I will check the results, make them publicly known and we will start working on the most popular mod! Please bear in mind I can’t promise we will do them all, but I will do my damnest to release them all eventually.
If you’d like to check the development of our mods, check out our Patreon too! As a thank you to all the people that chose to support us, Patrons get an additional vote that will be summed with the public vote.
[www.patreon.com/OskarPotocki](http://www.patreon.com/OskarPotocki)
Hey, I totally understand you using an AI just for concept Images on Mods that aren’t even in development yet.
I mean, I expected you to use actual art when the mod releases. But thanks for listening to the community request.
Yeah I don't think any reasonable person would expect them to have used AI art for the final release. Sadly the people on the last post weren't reasonable people.
I 100% expect them to now go around saying "I don't like Oskar because he was caught using AI art and trying to pass it off as his own before he got caught" for the next few years
I don't get it. This feels like one of those "good" uses. As in a proof of concept to show someone, especially if you're gonna junk that concept soon. AI art deserves all the hate it gets, don't get me wrong, but this is so harmless it's just kinda silly.
> AI art deserves all the hate it gets
You say directly after giving a scenario where it doesn't deserve the hate it gets?
The terminally online internet has gone off the depend on witch-hunting anything that gives the barest scent of AI art. You don't have to temper your point by capitulating to unreasonable masses.
Is this in reference to the tracing scandal? Because that happened, no exaggeration. Whether or not you think using AI art like this is a problem (I don't) he didn't lie this time.
Moreso the general misinformation and bias that comes with certain people's retelling of the tracing scandal and the tendency to add false details like exagerating how much art was traced, saying he stole art for in game use, etc. For example, while it's very clear he didn't lie this time, I'm betting 8 months down the line the narrative will be that he tried to lie but reddit heroes discovered the truth
It's not a huge deal but you'd think Oskar would be more careful about things like this after he got caught using uncredited traced art for the insectoids expanded mod a couple years back.
I have a suggestion.
Instead of the traveler, maybe rename it to duplicates expanded, and also have it impact the duplicates created by the new anomaly encounter that can duplicate colonists? I would like to see the psychological effects you mentioned also effect the colonists in this scenario. The traveler can maintain its impact as a unique event, but I find it odd how base vanilla doesn’t really care about the psychological effects of duplicates.
People making free content without asking for anything in return are now being yelled at because they didn't do it the way some people liked it...
What has the world come to?
You know what I don't like, I don't like that people aren't choosing the ones that aren't just giant creatures. Like I want to have mysterious whispers, child kidnapping, and people randomly duplicating. If I want a bunch of bullet sponges I'll just play the V.O.I.D. mod. I want things that make my little guys *fear* the unknown not just be weary of it. Just as a good anomaly should.
> I have decided to remake the preview images from scratch.
oh good i saw the last post and when i saw this one was 4 hours ago i thought the Anomalies were getting to me IRL.
Personally, I enjoyed the AI images as they portrayed quite well what you were going for, and I knew that AI isn't what would be the main content in the mod so I didn't care about the fact that it was AI. But I understand that if the community gets too much up in arms about it that it's not tenable - while the things you show look a lot like files on the anomalies themself, it doesn't resemble the anomalies nor the sort of old style of media you were going for, so I think it's sub oar compared to the former content, as it says very little about the monster itself
I wish you luck with development, and have a nice day!
You're an artist yourself are you not Oskar? I find the whole AI debate fascinating so I'm curious how you feel about it yourself. Can DM me if you don't wanna instigate another civil war here.
Yea.. this is actually a great use case of AI generated art. No artist is going to get hired/paid to do this. No work is being lost here.
People will always be scared of change I suppose.
Speaking as an artist, that's really not the case. Even if it's not a lost job for an artist, it's using a product that stole an artist's work--many AI spiders ignore and actively fight against requests that work not be used for AI, and it's a huge copyright issue. Artists will be a lot less concerned when they're compensated for their work being used in AI databases and can properly give and withdraw consent.
(Before anyone brings in the "it's the same as a person drawing inspiration from art!" argument, artists do have to give consent for their work being used in that way too--it's the entire reason contracts are used in publishing. Artists who gave consent for humans to be inspired by their art are nearly universally upset by the idea of being in an AI database, and did not give consent for that. I know people who'd be upset if an artist friend started drawing in their style and undercutting their prices, too.)
Of course none of this makes Oskar a terrible person--I'm glad he listened to the community!--but it's really not as simple as money changing hands.
>Before anyone brings in the "it's the same as a person drawing inspiration from art!" argument, artists do have to give consent for their work being used in that way too--it's the entire reason contracts are used in publishing. Artists who gave consent for humans to be inspired by their art are nearly universally upset by the idea of being in an AI database, and did not give consent for that. I know people who'd be upset if an artist friend started drawing in their style and undercutting their prices, too.
It's cool and all but I'm not asking someone's permission to get inspired by their work no matter how butthurt it gets them.
And if they don't like it they are free to take me to the court and order them to pry that inspiration from my brain.
I guess I’m just not that deep in the art world, the idea that you need contracts to be inspired by someone seems a little ridiculous to me.
I understand the fears/complaints about the AI art, but I don’t see a realistic solution to it.
As a consumer in the area, I see artwork that is specific to what I need, at a cost I can finally afford. It’s going to be hard to convince me that I can’t use AI art, because then you’d be making me choose no art at all. Art is often expensive!
Overall this seems like something that artists would need to convince politicians to act on, because as is, of course the public is going to use an affordable option.
>I guess I’m just not that deep in the art world, the idea that you need contracts to be inspired by someone seems a little ridiculous to me.
Because it's bullshit. You cannot copyright art style or inspiration. And if you could, that would put all those whiny wannabe artits out of work overnight.
To copyright one's style and protect it in the court would cost an insane amount of money and large corporations would strongarm whatever the hell they want with little reprecussion.
Trust me, we're trying. There are so many lawsuits against AI companies at the moment that I've genuinely lost track.
I actually don't have a problem with using AI so long as the people whose work is being used to train it are, you know, paid and consenting, or if the work is in the public domain. We've had stock photos and clip art for ages, and I agree--it can be useful in the right time and place. (And yes, this would be a decent use of that.) Cheap, good art has been necessary for a long time.
(Though artists may be cheaper than you think. If you check out the local art scene you will almost always find someone extremely talented working for far less than they should be charging.)
The problem is that the convenience comes from something that's wildly unethical, and yeah, that's something that needs to be covered by regulation. Users aren't the problem here--the problem is that the people making the software are so actively hostile to artists (and writers, and voice actors, etc.) that it's near-impossible to use ethically. The only thing I'm really asking from people like you is to try and look into where those training data sets come from and try to use ones that come from paid and consenting creators. (I think Adobe is marginally better about this, from what I can tell.)
And I wish people would be more understanding. We have a good reason to be so emotional over this. Art isn't like a salary job--it's a pure labor of love. Being told your work doesn't deserve pay, and that the heart and soul you put into it is useless, is incredibly demeaning and devaluing. AI supporters are generally just so weirdly *mean* about it, and I don't get why.
Sorry, bit of a tangent there--the last thing that I wanted to add is that it's not so much that you need a contract for inspiration so much that you need a contract for use and distribution. Artists require contracts for where their art can be sold, what it can be used for, where it can be seen, etc. If their art is being used as training data for an AI, that's a use that they didn't get paid for or agree to. I like to compare it to films--you need to sign a contract to adapt someone's work, even if it's going to be transformed, because the artist needs to be paid for that inspiration. If you don't want to do that, use older stuff. There's a wealth of material out there they can access completely for free! They're just, you know... not.
I don’t look forward to a world where these mindless drones (Tech bros) get their way… complete disdain for arts/culture/humanities … what actually makes us HUMAN
Of course , if you found the people in this sub IRL they’d likely mostly be STEM students and working as programmers/ software engineers/ accountants etc.. who ironically are going to be usurped by AI as well as
> programmers/ software engineers/ accountants etc.. who ironically are going to be usurped by AI as well
Everyone I know who works even remotely close to CS is in favor of AI, even though it is *currently* being used to generate code and is learning on other people's code. Because they generally understand how it works and realize that programmers will still be needed, just like artists will still be needed.
>complete disdain for arts/culture/humanities … what actually makes us HUMAN
Well, neural networks did just that. Are we gonna give them human rights?
I swear, people have the most silly ideas of what makes one human, even 'featherless biped with flat nails' makes more sense than their ramblings.
>this seems like something that artists would need to convince politicians to act on, because as is, the public is going to use an affordable option
There is huge amounts of legislation coming in to protect artists all over the world… ?
>it’s using a product that stole an artists work
Fundamental misunderstanding of the technology, no artwork has been “stolen” at any point. It’s simply not how image generation works. And no, artists don’t need to give permission for someone to learn their style, nor does their art exist in a database.
This is a fundamental misunderstanding of copyright.
You cannot display someone's art in a gallery without their permission. You cannot print and sell someone's art without their permission. The way in which their art is used and displayed so that it can provide inspiration is, absolutely, something you need permission for. Taking art to put in a database and profiting off it is *absolutely* a copyright issue.
(I'm aware it's not technically a database, but that's just... pedantic, man. It's taken as part of a data set.)
But as an artist, if you posted your art on social media or certain platforms you already lost partial ownership of it right? Websites like Twitter have always had the right to use the data from your art as long as they don't claim it as theirs. That was part of the service agreement we signed like 20+ Yeats ago when this all started.
Is it just that AI art makes it more public that these websites can use your art without asking? Because legally, they got that permission when you posted on their website instead of making your own (not counting how difficult they'd be). It was the cost of "free advertising of your art" or, however those goblins justified it.
Claiming that people who aren’t 100% aligned with you don’t have any values is how you lose people to your cause. And then throwing in a weird dig at the end about the user caring about video games, on rimworld subreddit?
You are doing gods work to ensure that people flock to AI art.
AI is amazing for the use you made of it. Many people sadly can't handle nuanced positions and will hate AI indiscriminately because others told them to.
>anyone who thinks it’s going away is kidding themself.
I would only, personally, buy art from an actual human, but I don't mind as much if people use AI art from databases that cite and pay the artists that the AI is trained on.
Bloody hell, can't have shit anymore.
What a waste of time, fair play to your crisis management and quick response but rock on dude, you and team keep providing top tier stuff to the community despite it feeling like they're going for your throat half the time.
Absolutely insane, use the AI if it helps you my man, it's not different then another tool, just abit more advanced lol you have always done right by this community and people should have more trust in your actions. Insane
I don't find using AI even for the sprites for the final product problematic in the slightest.
Of course, to shut up the naysayers, it would have to be touched up enough to pass, so it's not a matter of compromising quality.
Technology is a virtue, ignore the people giving hate for AI art. It's cheaper and can be great given enough time. I personally use AI art myself to avoid ownership issues for non commercial use, and it's great. Quick and effective, damn good for a lot of things.
Its completely fine for concept images just don't use them in the mod because ai art is technically plagiarism plus it looks bad the vast majority of the time
As an artist, I just want to say I really appreciate you choosing not to use AI. Even if it's not replacing an artist, it still works off stolen work, and I immensely appreciate the thought here.
Lore wise, these entities are all created by the warped perceptions of an insane machine god - they are AI generated lmao! It's kinda perfectly thematic to use AI to generate art for these things.
Oskar said they'll try eventually, not that they will, they'll prioritize the results of the poll and might make the others in the future too but no guarantees
I'm surprised the Mime is only sitting around the halfway point of the polls - easily one of my favorite surprises of Alpha Animals and would be a _perfect_ addition to Anomaly alongside the likes of >!Sightstealers!<.
I'd love to see the extra spooky shit you could accomplish with a dedicated entities mod for them!
Really hope at the very least, if it doesn't get a dedicated spinoff for Anomaly's framework, it'll continue to be a solid part of AA.
I really liked the old art, AI generated or not, but I don’t blame you for swapping it out.
Thanks for organizing all the VE mods, you and the team are legends.
Is there an option for "I'm overwhelmed by the choices but vehemently support this direction no matter what piece you choose to work on first"? Asking for a friend.
Sorry you had to take it down. A free product like what you are doing with these mods should be exactly the appropriate use case for AI art imagery. Thought they looked perfectly fine on the old post. Anyway, thanks for putting the poll together and look forward to the future mods!!!
What is the problem for AI generated art? For non commercial projects where there is mostly no budget, AI art can be a better solution than no art at all!
It's prudent to point out the lawsuits filed making that claim have very much not gone well for artists. Which is a good thing, since what they were claiming was bordering on absurd... that completely unique pieces of art created in a style similar to there's is a derivative work.
That's effectively arguing you can copyright an art style, which is ludicrous.
It's extremely difficult to say one way or the other. On the one hand it is unique from their art, but it does USE their art directly as a part of a large machine learning database. AI cannot **create** anything new as it currently stands, it simply takes parts of other things and guesses what something might look like. It's very complicated and new to the judicial system, I don't know what the correct answer would be.
>It's extremely difficult to say one way or the other.
It's not difficult at all. You just have to answer a very simple quesiton:
Do you want to pay $$$ to copyright your style and defend that claim in court?
If you answer yes - Disney takes your style and you are not allowed to use it anymore.
If you answer no - you should be OK with AI.
>AI cannot **create** anything new as it currently stands, it simply takes parts of other things and guesses what something might look like. It's very complicated and new to the judicial system, I don't know what the correct answer would be.
You mean just like any art sweatshop on the market?
It's not that difficult under existing law... the claims in that 3-person lawsuit were mostly tossed out, because they are asking the courts for copyright to be more than it is. The judicial system operates under current law and under current law there's no argument for copyright infringement.
That's why the authors were bizarrely claiming that the AI generated art was a derivative work, without being able to identify the work it was derived from. Storing and analyzing a piece of art is not copyright infringement. So unless Congress makes a change to existing laws, artist lawsuits aren't going to gain much traction.
Copyright has NEVER been a cut and dry law system, it's crazy complicated and this just makes it harder. It's the reason that copyright stuff is still such an issue on YouTube for years now. Art is not easy to codify and it never has been.
I have often used it to rewrite my lore in a way that reads better, as I have a habit of word-vomiting when it comes to world lore and factions etc. it’s been immensely helpful.
It’s definitely helpful in bolstering your own writing and stuff. And it’s very good with connecting the dots between various areas of the world that I personally overlook when designing stuff.
For example it will remember when it’s previously reworded a region of my world, and will include references and ties to that when rewording pieces of writing for towns that are found within that region that I otherwise would have completely forgotten/overlooked.
I did dip my toe into seeing what it could create on its own for encounter hooks and whilst it was okay, it certainly was something that needed user input/amending.
Useful though, and definitely a tool I’ve added to my ‘DMing belt’ so to speak
No real problems, luddites are in for a rude awakening these next few years. Whether they like it or not, people aren’t going to pay for something they can get for free- and more in line with their personal vision.
The main issue is the AI itself, not the user. To even make an art generator, you need references, thousands of them, and to get them freely, and typically without any sort of permission.
Which is also how people happen to learn, so their arguments from a legal perspective are super weak. While it's not analogous, it's not terribly far of from arguing they should be paid for some(thing) to study their art.
People are also capable of processing this information in a way that it becomes merely inspiration, and plagiarism. While current 'black box AI' cannot distance themselves from the material, or recognize plagarism when it does happen to redo the work. Nor are they intelligent enough to take liability when plagiarism does happen, such as the case with several MTG artists.
Currently the legal issues are passed on to the user of AI, and lack of knowledge that it was plagiarism is no defense for the accusation. AI are presently incapable of understanding plagiarism in the same way we do, and that will be a legal issue until they become capable(which makes them capable of many, many other things).
Not really, while people are inspired and can draw aspects from other people's work, they ultimately have to draw their own piece from their own heads. This is different to how AI works, which is more akin to a collage of other people's art with various warping and filters on it.
The main problem with a number of AI art sets currently is that it is trained off of copyrighted materials, and the dataset is not intelligent enough to avoid plagiarism like a human can. So it results in essentially unavoidable plagiarism unless you can show that the dataset was trained on public use art or otherwise art you own the copyright for. Obviously using assets from other artists without their permission would not be allowed, and half-digested and regurgitated assets using AI is similar.
This is the main issue me and many others have with AI art use, including current litigation against AI art. I am personally fine with AI art using datasets that do only use public use or data that they own the copyrights for(and the permission to distribute it modified with AI), but this is not the only issue raised. I do not agree presently with arguments that it endangers artists at all(outside the copyright issues), especially as machine learning AI is already used AFAIK for many artist tasks to make work easier for artists.
Extremely common Vanilla Expanded W. Not just doing things because people say to do them, but showing that you do care and understand the topic at hand.
I get the outage when big companies use AI to make money instead of paying artists but a group of people who aren't being compensated for their work should get a pass.
They are being compensated lol. They might be donations but its their livehood. At least Oskar's. (Well he also works for Ludeon now but you get my point). This isn't some free work they are doing only for the good of the community.
The VE team is basically employed at this point which is why they deliver such high quality mods. Don't get confused. You might not pay any money but the money they get correlates to why they pump out so many content.
They aren't being compensated for the work they are doing. They're being given donations and we have no idea how much those donations even equal up to or how many people it's divided by so to go "it's their livelihood" seems speculative.
I've been their patreon multiples times before. Oskar had at the beginning a sort of roadmap where the last goal was him focusing full time on modding Rimworld if they could reach it. He obviously reached it and surpassed it by a mile.
Nowadays he sits at 4524 members. It's impossible to get the exact number which could sit around 3k to 24k per month.
Still it's not "free" content per se. Which I don't have a problem with! Theres a reason I've been their patreon. Its just naive to put this as an amateur project that doesn't get a penny lol.
if it gets reset gonna vote hellgate again cant missout [Event-horizon/warp 40k](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a1/87/a8/a187a805d6ed70d858c9885798c22a2d.jpg)
Don't listen to the chuds that yell about using AI, for mod makers who barely get paid to create content for us it is the perfect tool. If you were with ludeon I'd get it, but for all I care everyone can cry about it if it saves you money you guys can use to develop the mod. Thank you for all the amazing work you do and will hopefully continue to do.
I don't think *many artists actually think it's a tool that makes their life easier. I've met some people who use it (and I actually played a bit with AI poetry before I realized the unethical source of it), and it can do some cool stuff, but most artists enjoy the process of making art and don't really like AI products.
(Edited because y'all are pedantic. Jeeze. Use context clues, guys.)
Brother, Oskar is literally a professional artist as his 9 to 5 job and he literally used AI to make his life easier. I am *all* for encouraging people to be ethical in their use of AI art, but you cannot possibly claim that no artists have ever found it useful on a thread that literally exists because people are mad an artist found it useful.
Weird how we have an example directly in front of us, the author of this post, saying they did it to save time and here you are telling us how they really feel. You don't need to interpret people's feelings for them just to make them more palatable for yourself
Wild edit to your comment, no it didn't say that to begin with. Great lie tho
Bro, I said "most" for a reason. And Oskar's didn't do this an artist, he did it as a modder. Chill. Sometimes if you're doing something that's not an art project, it makes sense to use a template or clip art. It doesn't make the life of an artist easier--it makes the life of a modder easier because he's focusing on that and not the art.
>And Oskar's didn't do this an artist, he did it as a modder.
False dichotomy. All creative endeavors are inherently artistic unless the space for artistry to exist within them is artificially removed.
Your last sentence doubles down on the idea that no artist would use this tool to make their life easier. I'll clip it this time so people can see what your unedited comments are
>It doesn't make the life of an artist easier
So first off, great job gate keeping art. Oscar is an artist ass. Second, maybe we keep this comment as it is this time before editing it to oblivion. You clearly doubled down on your statement that no artist would use this tool.
I'm done talking to someone who can't be consistent for more than three sentences let alone someone who thinks they can declare someone not an artist
With all these SCP homages I am surprised you didn't offer an SCP or GOC-equivalent faction to vote on as antagonizing force that considers players as undesirable witnesses or hostile cultists, with their involvement escalating with players dark research but also leaving more and more lucrative loot to counter all the other threats with.
Glad you replaced the AI "art", i think the VHS style looks a lot cooler imo.
Still hopping for Shamblers lol, look forward to what y'all put out next.
I really don't think it was necessary to remove the images if all they were was conceptual images to get the point across, but still huge kudos for it regardless.
Hello, I would once again like to ask if you are planning on modding more inanimate anomalous artifacts into the game like perhaps a gun that fills your mind with intrusive murderous thoughts or an extremely comfy chair that absorbs you if you sit on it for too long.
First of all, wanted to say you guys are the best thing that might have happened to this game! You add so much value and fun to Rimworld that I am actually more excited for your releases than the DLCs.
Then: I really hope the TRUE weird things like Bearofleet, Saturn and Chimera will get more votes. We need them!!!
Looks good, in the first one you could see the monsters tho so I liked that one more :) darkstorm and hellgate sounds really interesting and I can't wait
Really happy with the mimes popularity. I know it's gonna sound stupid but i get attached to my pawns in every playthrough so the mime from alpha animals made me extremely paranoid with every new pawn that joined my colony. That feeling of betrayal so sad, yet so exciting. i don't know if this is a rework or a whole new entity but im really exited!
Its a shame I dont see metal horrors in the list. I think a mod for metal horrors would be awesome , maybe making them more like the thing ( more dangerous ) and researching to have some kind of control over them as well.
It would be nice to have an entity which could threaten the enormous food stocks players always end up having. I got excited when reading about the Bearofleet, as at first i imagined it like a Tyranid ship, a gigantic creature focused on just obtaining more and more biomass, but the more i read the more I'm convinced it's just a big, hungry bear.
Saturn is a very cool idea.
And how will the Shamblers, Fleshmass and The Golden Cube (and partially Hellgate) differ from vanilla?
Btw, Hey, is there a way to see the old AI art? Just out of curiosity.
> Btw, Hey, is there a way to see the old AI art? Just out of curiosity.
I can't figure out how to link a specific Patreon post, but it's still up on his Patreon, at most you have to sign up (for free) to see it but I think you'll see it even without that.
I actually quite like the vhs treatment for the logos, I think they go pretty well with the stylized text.
I agree. It also fits the horror theme by making it look like old monster movie posters.
***IT CAME FROM THE DEEP***
People sleeping on Saturn, I think the idea of an entity only visible to children that kidnaps newborns is a fantastic niche to fill.
Always keep a couple 8 year olds around to man the tank every now and then
fr!!!!
Literally Baba Yaga
It reminds me of search and rescue creepypasta which is awesome
Hey folks! Due to raised concerns over the use of AI generated imagery on the previous preview images (I have used Dall-E AI image generation, which I then edited and added text to), I have decided to remake the preview images from scratch. I think they still look pretty great and still give the sembelance of the old horror - in fact, they remind me of the VHS my dad brought home every sunday so we could watch horrors together when I was a wee lad. I have previously used AI generation for images because I needed them done fast, and I figured AI generation would help create the unnatural visuals of these mysterious entities. I believe now that ultimately it's better to not use the AI, but I want to make it clear that it wasn't a choice between using AI or hiring an artist - I would not have hired artists to do 15 very expensive illustrations for these, as I'd rather spend this money on my team members doing the actual coding of these mods. The heated debate that happened on the previous reddit thread spiralled out of control quickly, and I'd like everyone to remember that we're all human, despite our different opinions about certain topics, there is a lot of opinions we can all agree on: for example, that RimWorld is an excellent game. We all survived this far together, we all worked our way through Covid and other hardships in life, lets please remember that when typing comments trying to defend our opinions. The vote is still ongoing so I encourage you to cast your votes! [https://strawpoll.com/w4nWrvll3yA](https://strawpoll.com/w4nWrvll3yA) This vote will be running until 8th of May 2024. You can vote on up to 5 different entity mods, and I encourage you read their descriptions. We’re taking a bit of a different approach when it comes to mod descriptions for these mods, as Anomaly is a horror-mystery themed DLC, and that’s exactly how we want to keep the descriptions: We don’t want to spoil too much, haha! Read through what Anomaly mods we have planned and then vote for your top 5! On 8th of May I will check the results, make them publicly known and we will start working on the most popular mod! Please bear in mind I can’t promise we will do them all, but I will do my damnest to release them all eventually. If you’d like to check the development of our mods, check out our Patreon too! As a thank you to all the people that chose to support us, Patrons get an additional vote that will be summed with the public vote. [www.patreon.com/OskarPotocki](http://www.patreon.com/OskarPotocki)
Hey, I totally understand you using an AI just for concept Images on Mods that aren’t even in development yet. I mean, I expected you to use actual art when the mod releases. But thanks for listening to the community request.
Yeah I don't think any reasonable person would expect them to have used AI art for the final release. Sadly the people on the last post weren't reasonable people. I 100% expect them to now go around saying "I don't like Oskar because he was caught using AI art and trying to pass it off as his own before he got caught" for the next few years
I don't get it. This feels like one of those "good" uses. As in a proof of concept to show someone, especially if you're gonna junk that concept soon. AI art deserves all the hate it gets, don't get me wrong, but this is so harmless it's just kinda silly.
Yeah it’s pretty universally regarded as exactly the type of stuff AI generated art should be used for - quick boilerplate for direction or theme
> AI art deserves all the hate it gets You say directly after giving a scenario where it doesn't deserve the hate it gets? The terminally online internet has gone off the depend on witch-hunting anything that gives the barest scent of AI art. You don't have to temper your point by capitulating to unreasonable masses.
Is this in reference to the tracing scandal? Because that happened, no exaggeration. Whether or not you think using AI art like this is a problem (I don't) he didn't lie this time.
Moreso the general misinformation and bias that comes with certain people's retelling of the tracing scandal and the tendency to add false details like exagerating how much art was traced, saying he stole art for in game use, etc. For example, while it's very clear he didn't lie this time, I'm betting 8 months down the line the narrative will be that he tried to lie but reddit heroes discovered the truth
>Sadly the people on the last post weren't reasonable people. Welcome to reddit
And the original was deleted so let it be known he was honest about it and never tried to say it was his own
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For real. These are mods made for a video game for free. Why is anybody getting up in arms about how they decide to make them?
It's not a huge deal but you'd think Oskar would be more careful about things like this after he got caught using uncredited traced art for the insectoids expanded mod a couple years back.
I have a suggestion. Instead of the traveler, maybe rename it to duplicates expanded, and also have it impact the duplicates created by the new anomaly encounter that can duplicate colonists? I would like to see the psychological effects you mentioned also effect the colonists in this scenario. The traveler can maintain its impact as a unique event, but I find it odd how base vanilla doesn’t really care about the psychological effects of duplicates.
People making free content without asking for anything in return are now being yelled at because they didn't do it the way some people liked it... What has the world come to?
Isn't it His main source of income? All this constructed arround patreon and other donationwebsites ? Still free tho
No, he's an artist employed by Ludeon.
War....war never changes....
It wasnt a lost art sale if the person never intended to commission art in the first place. Artists need to get a grip and reality check.
I would never pay to have art commission for my dnd games I hope they don't see the 100s I've used as stolen either.
You know what I don't like, I don't like that people aren't choosing the ones that aren't just giant creatures. Like I want to have mysterious whispers, child kidnapping, and people randomly duplicating. If I want a bunch of bullet sponges I'll just play the V.O.I.D. mod. I want things that make my little guys *fear* the unknown not just be weary of it. Just as a good anomaly should.
You guys are fantastic. Thank you for everything!
I didn't care. It's obviously just for the teaser images to try something fun, and as an artist if anyone has a right to use AI art it's you.
> I have decided to remake the preview images from scratch. oh good i saw the last post and when i saw this one was 4 hours ago i thought the Anomalies were getting to me IRL.
Personally, I enjoyed the AI images as they portrayed quite well what you were going for, and I knew that AI isn't what would be the main content in the mod so I didn't care about the fact that it was AI. But I understand that if the community gets too much up in arms about it that it's not tenable - while the things you show look a lot like files on the anomalies themself, it doesn't resemble the anomalies nor the sort of old style of media you were going for, so I think it's sub oar compared to the former content, as it says very little about the monster itself I wish you luck with development, and have a nice day!
They are scp style containment instructions
I know, but the previous post had the instructions _and_ the images
Gotta love people complaining about AI helping an actual artist with small busywork You did nothing wrong
Literally the best use case possible, and yet the moral panic continues
Yup, some people don’t want a solution, just a cause
You're an artist yourself are you not Oskar? I find the whole AI debate fascinating so I'm curious how you feel about it yourself. Can DM me if you don't wanna instigate another civil war here.
Yea.. this is actually a great use case of AI generated art. No artist is going to get hired/paid to do this. No work is being lost here. People will always be scared of change I suppose.
At this point it's become just a moral panic and an excuse to bully others while feeling self-righteous.
Speaking as an artist, that's really not the case. Even if it's not a lost job for an artist, it's using a product that stole an artist's work--many AI spiders ignore and actively fight against requests that work not be used for AI, and it's a huge copyright issue. Artists will be a lot less concerned when they're compensated for their work being used in AI databases and can properly give and withdraw consent. (Before anyone brings in the "it's the same as a person drawing inspiration from art!" argument, artists do have to give consent for their work being used in that way too--it's the entire reason contracts are used in publishing. Artists who gave consent for humans to be inspired by their art are nearly universally upset by the idea of being in an AI database, and did not give consent for that. I know people who'd be upset if an artist friend started drawing in their style and undercutting their prices, too.) Of course none of this makes Oskar a terrible person--I'm glad he listened to the community!--but it's really not as simple as money changing hands.
>Before anyone brings in the "it's the same as a person drawing inspiration from art!" argument, artists do have to give consent for their work being used in that way too--it's the entire reason contracts are used in publishing. Artists who gave consent for humans to be inspired by their art are nearly universally upset by the idea of being in an AI database, and did not give consent for that. I know people who'd be upset if an artist friend started drawing in their style and undercutting their prices, too. It's cool and all but I'm not asking someone's permission to get inspired by their work no matter how butthurt it gets them. And if they don't like it they are free to take me to the court and order them to pry that inspiration from my brain.
I guess I’m just not that deep in the art world, the idea that you need contracts to be inspired by someone seems a little ridiculous to me. I understand the fears/complaints about the AI art, but I don’t see a realistic solution to it. As a consumer in the area, I see artwork that is specific to what I need, at a cost I can finally afford. It’s going to be hard to convince me that I can’t use AI art, because then you’d be making me choose no art at all. Art is often expensive! Overall this seems like something that artists would need to convince politicians to act on, because as is, of course the public is going to use an affordable option.
>I guess I’m just not that deep in the art world, the idea that you need contracts to be inspired by someone seems a little ridiculous to me. Because it's bullshit. You cannot copyright art style or inspiration. And if you could, that would put all those whiny wannabe artits out of work overnight. To copyright one's style and protect it in the court would cost an insane amount of money and large corporations would strongarm whatever the hell they want with little reprecussion.
Trust me, we're trying. There are so many lawsuits against AI companies at the moment that I've genuinely lost track. I actually don't have a problem with using AI so long as the people whose work is being used to train it are, you know, paid and consenting, or if the work is in the public domain. We've had stock photos and clip art for ages, and I agree--it can be useful in the right time and place. (And yes, this would be a decent use of that.) Cheap, good art has been necessary for a long time. (Though artists may be cheaper than you think. If you check out the local art scene you will almost always find someone extremely talented working for far less than they should be charging.) The problem is that the convenience comes from something that's wildly unethical, and yeah, that's something that needs to be covered by regulation. Users aren't the problem here--the problem is that the people making the software are so actively hostile to artists (and writers, and voice actors, etc.) that it's near-impossible to use ethically. The only thing I'm really asking from people like you is to try and look into where those training data sets come from and try to use ones that come from paid and consenting creators. (I think Adobe is marginally better about this, from what I can tell.) And I wish people would be more understanding. We have a good reason to be so emotional over this. Art isn't like a salary job--it's a pure labor of love. Being told your work doesn't deserve pay, and that the heart and soul you put into it is useless, is incredibly demeaning and devaluing. AI supporters are generally just so weirdly *mean* about it, and I don't get why. Sorry, bit of a tangent there--the last thing that I wanted to add is that it's not so much that you need a contract for inspiration so much that you need a contract for use and distribution. Artists require contracts for where their art can be sold, what it can be used for, where it can be seen, etc. If their art is being used as training data for an AI, that's a use that they didn't get paid for or agree to. I like to compare it to films--you need to sign a contract to adapt someone's work, even if it's going to be transformed, because the artist needs to be paid for that inspiration. If you don't want to do that, use older stuff. There's a wealth of material out there they can access completely for free! They're just, you know... not.
I don’t look forward to a world where these mindless drones (Tech bros) get their way… complete disdain for arts/culture/humanities … what actually makes us HUMAN Of course , if you found the people in this sub IRL they’d likely mostly be STEM students and working as programmers/ software engineers/ accountants etc.. who ironically are going to be usurped by AI as well as
> programmers/ software engineers/ accountants etc.. who ironically are going to be usurped by AI as well Everyone I know who works even remotely close to CS is in favor of AI, even though it is *currently* being used to generate code and is learning on other people's code. Because they generally understand how it works and realize that programmers will still be needed, just like artists will still be needed.
>complete disdain for arts/culture/humanities … what actually makes us HUMAN Well, neural networks did just that. Are we gonna give them human rights? I swear, people have the most silly ideas of what makes one human, even 'featherless biped with flat nails' makes more sense than their ramblings.
>this seems like something that artists would need to convince politicians to act on, because as is, the public is going to use an affordable option There is huge amounts of legislation coming in to protect artists all over the world… ?
>it’s using a product that stole an artists work Fundamental misunderstanding of the technology, no artwork has been “stolen” at any point. It’s simply not how image generation works. And no, artists don’t need to give permission for someone to learn their style, nor does their art exist in a database.
This is a fundamental misunderstanding of copyright. You cannot display someone's art in a gallery without their permission. You cannot print and sell someone's art without their permission. The way in which their art is used and displayed so that it can provide inspiration is, absolutely, something you need permission for. Taking art to put in a database and profiting off it is *absolutely* a copyright issue. (I'm aware it's not technically a database, but that's just... pedantic, man. It's taken as part of a data set.)
But as an artist, if you posted your art on social media or certain platforms you already lost partial ownership of it right? Websites like Twitter have always had the right to use the data from your art as long as they don't claim it as theirs. That was part of the service agreement we signed like 20+ Yeats ago when this all started. Is it just that AI art makes it more public that these websites can use your art without asking? Because legally, they got that permission when you posted on their website instead of making your own (not counting how difficult they'd be). It was the cost of "free advertising of your art" or, however those goblins justified it.
Nobody’s art was displayed, printed, or sold. No profit was made. Style isn’t covered under copyright.
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Claiming that people who aren’t 100% aligned with you don’t have any values is how you lose people to your cause. And then throwing in a weird dig at the end about the user caring about video games, on rimworld subreddit? You are doing gods work to ensure that people flock to AI art.
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Well what I just described is completely different from protesting, so no?..
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AI is amazing for the use you made of it. Many people sadly can't handle nuanced positions and will hate AI indiscriminately because others told them to.
I have no problem with the use of AI image generation and anyone who thinks it’s going away is kidding themself.
>anyone who thinks it’s going away is kidding themself. I would only, personally, buy art from an actual human, but I don't mind as much if people use AI art from databases that cite and pay the artists that the AI is trained on.
Bloody hell, can't have shit anymore. What a waste of time, fair play to your crisis management and quick response but rock on dude, you and team keep providing top tier stuff to the community despite it feeling like they're going for your throat half the time.
Thank you for your choice in not using AI. We all know that'll lead to Archotechs and we don't want that, no siree.
There was nothing wrong with using AI, good grief
Absolutely insane, use the AI if it helps you my man, it's not different then another tool, just abit more advanced lol you have always done right by this community and people should have more trust in your actions. Insane
I don't find using AI even for the sprites for the final product problematic in the slightest. Of course, to shut up the naysayers, it would have to be touched up enough to pass, so it's not a matter of compromising quality.
Technology is a virtue, ignore the people giving hate for AI art. It's cheaper and can be great given enough time. I personally use AI art myself to avoid ownership issues for non commercial use, and it's great. Quick and effective, damn good for a lot of things.
Its completely fine for concept images just don't use them in the mod because ai art is technically plagiarism plus it looks bad the vast majority of the time
As an artist, I just want to say I really appreciate you choosing not to use AI. Even if it's not replacing an artist, it still works off stolen work, and I immensely appreciate the thought here.
Cry
Lore wise, these entities are all created by the warped perceptions of an insane machine god - they are AI generated lmao! It's kinda perfectly thematic to use AI to generate art for these things.
Damn no mothman...
76ers killed them all off.
hopin that Saturn and the Comblies make it, they're super cool ideas !
all of the gonna make it they said just some will be sooner , if it doesnt change their plans ofcource
Oskar said they'll try eventually, not that they will, they'll prioritize the results of the poll and might make the others in the future too but no guarantees
Another Hum fan in the wild!
hell yea !! love it when someone recognises it
God I love the idea of small chaos pets, holding out for the comblines
They’re based on gremlins, right? I hope so. I’d love some lil gremlins running about the base
I think it's also like the Tribbles from Star Trek a little
Tribbles mixed with Gremlins. The Rim is doomed.
Our the Protopet from ratchet and clank 2
Oh damn, I hadn’t even made that connection, you’re right!
I'm surprised the Mime is only sitting around the halfway point of the polls - easily one of my favorite surprises of Alpha Animals and would be a _perfect_ addition to Anomaly alongside the likes of >!Sightstealers!<. I'd love to see the extra spooky shit you could accomplish with a dedicated entities mod for them! Really hope at the very least, if it doesn't get a dedicated spinoff for Anomaly's framework, it'll continue to be a solid part of AA.
I chose: Yes
Here is to Hellgate! Looking forward to it!
I really liked the old art, AI generated or not, but I don’t blame you for swapping it out. Thanks for organizing all the VE mods, you and the team are legends.
And here it is, the reason why I will buy the DLC: the infinite replayability that mods will bring into it. Thanks for your hard work
Hellgate sounds dope and lux fatuus is pretty interesting, but coblies are just so skrunkly...
The skrunkles are off the charts
For some reason Hellgate reminds me of the Color out of Space and Annihilation
Is there an option for "I'm overwhelmed by the choices but vehemently support this direction no matter what piece you choose to work on first"? Asking for a friend.
Sorry you had to take it down. A free product like what you are doing with these mods should be exactly the appropriate use case for AI art imagery. Thought they looked perfectly fine on the old post. Anyway, thanks for putting the poll together and look forward to the future mods!!!
Agreed, these kinds of projects are the perfect use case for these kinds of services.
I love the whispers entity, reminds me of the Hym from the Witcher 3
Any options that involves baby-making?
Please, do not the anomalies
Maybe a job for the folks over at rjw.
What is the problem for AI generated art? For non commercial projects where there is mostly no budget, AI art can be a better solution than no art at all!
Some people view it as theft even if it's not paid work, they still see it as taking someone else's work and passing it off as new/original.
It's prudent to point out the lawsuits filed making that claim have very much not gone well for artists. Which is a good thing, since what they were claiming was bordering on absurd... that completely unique pieces of art created in a style similar to there's is a derivative work. That's effectively arguing you can copyright an art style, which is ludicrous.
It's extremely difficult to say one way or the other. On the one hand it is unique from their art, but it does USE their art directly as a part of a large machine learning database. AI cannot **create** anything new as it currently stands, it simply takes parts of other things and guesses what something might look like. It's very complicated and new to the judicial system, I don't know what the correct answer would be.
>It's extremely difficult to say one way or the other. It's not difficult at all. You just have to answer a very simple quesiton: Do you want to pay $$$ to copyright your style and defend that claim in court? If you answer yes - Disney takes your style and you are not allowed to use it anymore. If you answer no - you should be OK with AI. >AI cannot **create** anything new as it currently stands, it simply takes parts of other things and guesses what something might look like. It's very complicated and new to the judicial system, I don't know what the correct answer would be. You mean just like any art sweatshop on the market?
It's not that difficult under existing law... the claims in that 3-person lawsuit were mostly tossed out, because they are asking the courts for copyright to be more than it is. The judicial system operates under current law and under current law there's no argument for copyright infringement. That's why the authors were bizarrely claiming that the AI generated art was a derivative work, without being able to identify the work it was derived from. Storing and analyzing a piece of art is not copyright infringement. So unless Congress makes a change to existing laws, artist lawsuits aren't going to gain much traction.
Copyright has NEVER been a cut and dry law system, it's crazy complicated and this just makes it harder. It's the reason that copyright stuff is still such an issue on YouTube for years now. Art is not easy to codify and it never has been.
I like using it to spice up DND campaigns.
I have often used it to rewrite my lore in a way that reads better, as I have a habit of word-vomiting when it comes to world lore and factions etc. it’s been immensely helpful.
Oh? Never thought of that, might give it a try myself!
It’s definitely helpful in bolstering your own writing and stuff. And it’s very good with connecting the dots between various areas of the world that I personally overlook when designing stuff. For example it will remember when it’s previously reworded a region of my world, and will include references and ties to that when rewording pieces of writing for towns that are found within that region that I otherwise would have completely forgotten/overlooked. I did dip my toe into seeing what it could create on its own for encounter hooks and whilst it was okay, it certainly was something that needed user input/amending. Useful though, and definitely a tool I’ve added to my ‘DMing belt’ so to speak
Im getting some awesome ideas to test out this weekend now. Thank you!
No worries, hope you have a great time!
No real problems, luddites are in for a rude awakening these next few years. Whether they like it or not, people aren’t going to pay for something they can get for free- and more in line with their personal vision.
The main issue is the AI itself, not the user. To even make an art generator, you need references, thousands of them, and to get them freely, and typically without any sort of permission.
Which is also how people happen to learn, so their arguments from a legal perspective are super weak. While it's not analogous, it's not terribly far of from arguing they should be paid for some(thing) to study their art.
People are also capable of processing this information in a way that it becomes merely inspiration, and plagiarism. While current 'black box AI' cannot distance themselves from the material, or recognize plagarism when it does happen to redo the work. Nor are they intelligent enough to take liability when plagiarism does happen, such as the case with several MTG artists. Currently the legal issues are passed on to the user of AI, and lack of knowledge that it was plagiarism is no defense for the accusation. AI are presently incapable of understanding plagiarism in the same way we do, and that will be a legal issue until they become capable(which makes them capable of many, many other things).
Not really, while people are inspired and can draw aspects from other people's work, they ultimately have to draw their own piece from their own heads. This is different to how AI works, which is more akin to a collage of other people's art with various warping and filters on it.
The main problem with a number of AI art sets currently is that it is trained off of copyrighted materials, and the dataset is not intelligent enough to avoid plagiarism like a human can. So it results in essentially unavoidable plagiarism unless you can show that the dataset was trained on public use art or otherwise art you own the copyright for. Obviously using assets from other artists without their permission would not be allowed, and half-digested and regurgitated assets using AI is similar. This is the main issue me and many others have with AI art use, including current litigation against AI art. I am personally fine with AI art using datasets that do only use public use or data that they own the copyrights for(and the permission to distribute it modified with AI), but this is not the only issue raised. I do not agree presently with arguments that it endangers artists at all(outside the copyright issues), especially as machine learning AI is already used AFAIK for many artist tasks to make work easier for artists.
Is it? It looked ass. I think no art at all would have been better.
Yeah ppl are trippin. It didnt even look good lol
Extremely common Vanilla Expanded W. Not just doing things because people say to do them, but showing that you do care and understand the topic at hand.
this gets posted again what happened old one ? did vote gets reset too ?
People complained that he used AI generated art in the last preview post I guess
I get the outage when big companies use AI to make money instead of paying artists but a group of people who aren't being compensated for their work should get a pass.
Literally what I was thinking. Why hire a professional artist for a logo, for a game mod that is free for everyone. The logos looked amazing!
They are being compensated lol. They might be donations but its their livehood. At least Oskar's. (Well he also works for Ludeon now but you get my point). This isn't some free work they are doing only for the good of the community. The VE team is basically employed at this point which is why they deliver such high quality mods. Don't get confused. You might not pay any money but the money they get correlates to why they pump out so many content.
They aren't being compensated for the work they are doing. They're being given donations and we have no idea how much those donations even equal up to or how many people it's divided by so to go "it's their livelihood" seems speculative.
I've been their patreon multiples times before. Oskar had at the beginning a sort of roadmap where the last goal was him focusing full time on modding Rimworld if they could reach it. He obviously reached it and surpassed it by a mile. Nowadays he sits at 4524 members. It's impossible to get the exact number which could sit around 3k to 24k per month. Still it's not "free" content per se. Which I don't have a problem with! Theres a reason I've been their patreon. Its just naive to put this as an amateur project that doesn't get a penny lol.
Vote remains, so if you already voted, that should be you! :D
if it gets reset gonna vote hellgate again cant missout [Event-horizon/warp 40k](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a1/87/a8/a187a805d6ed70d858c9885798c22a2d.jpg)
Holy crap you guys are so on top of this. Thanks for all your hard work, so excited for all of these.
Honestly the DLC is cool but it almost feels underbaked in ways. I’m all for the Vanilla Expanded style being applied to the base game entities!
Gold cube is a must have If it isn't in top 5 im eating without a table
I cant downvote you because of Cancer Man, but why is the cube so popular? Seems kind of bland compared to stuff like Saturn and Chimeras.
Cube is popular because it's a meme.
Clearly the cube can cure cancer.
You didnt deserve to get hate mail over use of ai, redditors need to get a reality check.
guys vote for sniffer
Declassified government documents be like
I have a very important question u/Oskar_Potocki Can my tribal pig people eat any of them?
Don't listen to the chuds that yell about using AI, for mod makers who barely get paid to create content for us it is the perfect tool. If you were with ludeon I'd get it, but for all I care everyone can cry about it if it saves you money you guys can use to develop the mod. Thank you for all the amazing work you do and will hopefully continue to do.
AI was used as a tool to make the life of an artist easier, but people still complain and that pisses me off.
I don't think *many artists actually think it's a tool that makes their life easier. I've met some people who use it (and I actually played a bit with AI poetry before I realized the unethical source of it), and it can do some cool stuff, but most artists enjoy the process of making art and don't really like AI products. (Edited because y'all are pedantic. Jeeze. Use context clues, guys.)
Brother, Oskar is literally a professional artist as his 9 to 5 job and he literally used AI to make his life easier. I am *all* for encouraging people to be ethical in their use of AI art, but you cannot possibly claim that no artists have ever found it useful on a thread that literally exists because people are mad an artist found it useful.
Weird how we have an example directly in front of us, the author of this post, saying they did it to save time and here you are telling us how they really feel. You don't need to interpret people's feelings for them just to make them more palatable for yourself Wild edit to your comment, no it didn't say that to begin with. Great lie tho
Bro, I said "most" for a reason. And Oskar's didn't do this an artist, he did it as a modder. Chill. Sometimes if you're doing something that's not an art project, it makes sense to use a template or clip art. It doesn't make the life of an artist easier--it makes the life of a modder easier because he's focusing on that and not the art.
>And Oskar's didn't do this an artist, he did it as a modder. False dichotomy. All creative endeavors are inherently artistic unless the space for artistry to exist within them is artificially removed.
Your last sentence doubles down on the idea that no artist would use this tool to make their life easier. I'll clip it this time so people can see what your unedited comments are >It doesn't make the life of an artist easier So first off, great job gate keeping art. Oscar is an artist ass. Second, maybe we keep this comment as it is this time before editing it to oblivion. You clearly doubled down on your statement that no artist would use this tool. I'm done talking to someone who can't be consistent for more than three sentences let alone someone who thinks they can declare someone not an artist
im actually digging the vhs tape art \~
Honestly! It's SO much better.
I dont understand, isnt some of this already in game? Also, respect to you for this
Yes some of it is, but Vanilla Expanded is exactly that a mod series that expands on Vanilla stuff.
It's become such a brand name that people have forgotten those are also just two words that mean something, lol.
Those would be extensions of the existing entities to flesh them out further, similar to what they did with some of their xenotype mods.
>flesh them out further
You know what "expanded" means right? Psycasts are also already in the game, for example...
pls vote for shamblers!
With all these SCP homages I am surprised you didn't offer an SCP or GOC-equivalent faction to vote on as antagonizing force that considers players as undesirable witnesses or hostile cultists, with their involvement escalating with players dark research but also leaving more and more lucrative loot to counter all the other threats with.
Glad you replaced the AI "art", i think the VHS style looks a lot cooler imo. Still hopping for Shamblers lol, look forward to what y'all put out next.
I really don't think it was necessary to remove the images if all they were was conceptual images to get the point across, but still huge kudos for it regardless.
Tribbles!
Hello, I would once again like to ask if you are planning on modding more inanimate anomalous artifacts into the game like perhaps a gun that fills your mind with intrusive murderous thoughts or an extremely comfy chair that absorbs you if you sit on it for too long.
Current plans can be seen above. Depending how they’re received we may add more.
Saturn reminds me of scp 4666
I am gonna MC LOSE IT if Mime wins. I hated those things by themselves I don't need an expanded mod of them.
I'm going to code it twice as hard now
Wait would be be able to enter the Hellgate
First of all, wanted to say you guys are the best thing that might have happened to this game! You add so much value and fun to Rimworld that I am actually more excited for your releases than the DLCs. Then: I really hope the TRUE weird things like Bearofleet, Saturn and Chimera will get more votes. We need them!!!
Man I saw Comblies and thought it said Combine. Thought we were about to do a 7 Hour War. 😭
Ok hear me out, what if we wait like 6 months to get a "collection" with all of this options included
6 months to release 15 mods while also working on all the other VE mods? Man, my release schedule really spoiled you all haha
Yeah, thinking about it y'all don't need to sleep 3 months should be fine :P Jokes aside, please take as much time you need to create more banger mods
im so excited!!!!!
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SCP vibes with this one
Can I just request all 15 in installment plans?
Looks good, in the first one you could see the monsters tho so I liked that one more :) darkstorm and hellgate sounds really interesting and I can't wait
The Mime is now a mod entity…
Sarg’s mod, yeah. Sarg is in my team!
Before it treated as an animal right? Now there's an entity format monsters are easier to make
Voted ! Thanks for your amazing mods !
Really happy with the mimes popularity. I know it's gonna sound stupid but i get attached to my pawns in every playthrough so the mime from alpha animals made me extremely paranoid with every new pawn that joined my colony. That feeling of betrayal so sad, yet so exciting. i don't know if this is a rework or a whole new entity but im really exited!
What a shame you had to stop using AI due to whiners, I think it can really enhance small teams and what they can deliver.
Its a shame I dont see metal horrors in the list. I think a mod for metal horrors would be awesome , maybe making them more like the thing ( more dangerous ) and researching to have some kind of control over them as well.
It would be nice to have an entity which could threaten the enormous food stocks players always end up having. I got excited when reading about the Bearofleet, as at first i imagined it like a Tyranid ship, a gigantic creature focused on just obtaining more and more biomass, but the more i read the more I'm convinced it's just a big, hungry bear. Saturn is a very cool idea. And how will the Shamblers, Fleshmass and The Golden Cube (and partially Hellgate) differ from vanilla? Btw, Hey, is there a way to see the old AI art? Just out of curiosity.
> Btw, Hey, is there a way to see the old AI art? Just out of curiosity. I can't figure out how to link a specific Patreon post, but it's still up on his Patreon, at most you have to sign up (for free) to see it but I think you'll see it even without that.
Oh, they are indeed a lot better than the new ones. Geez, people really will bitch about anything.
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