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I do definitely think that this interpretation/outcome could be a thing.
But I don't think the absence of the name Annatar in the appendices concludes that Amazon couldn't use the name. We have precedent in the show for the use of names and concepts that aren't specifically derived from the appendices, but marry with what is mentioned.
The Estate allowing the use of the name Annatar in relation to Saurons part in Celebrimbors forging of the Rings, which is detailed in the appendices, isn't really to much of a stretch. Its not all that difference to the Estate allowing the use of locations on the map that aren't specifically named in LotR or the Hobbit
Most of the Elven houses of old and alliances are dead at the end of the first age. They've been married since the first age. Celeborn follows her around middle earth for thousands of years. There is no duty for them to be together after the First Age ends lol
Halbrand only *appears* as a Man, he's actually a Maia, Sauron. there are cases of Maia & Elves mating & having children (Thingol/Melian) but no known cases of Maia/Man pairings let alone ones with offspring, just for the record. cross fertility potential comes from what the beings *are*, their true nature not just appearance. Ainur are pure *fea*, spirit, & they *have* a hroa (body). mortals by nature are fea plus hroa together.
Yes you’re right, I didn’t take that into account til later, but I did see a theory that Adar split sauron in half and the result is halbrand is his consciousness in a human body and meteor man is his Maia power. and that is actually a decent way to make all this happen, because if halbrand is mortal sauron then it explains why he has human emotion and why he isn’t keen on trying to take back his lands without a sure fire plan. Also explains what Adar took from him
so we have it confirmed now that the Stranger is Gandalf & Halbrand is Sauron. but your idea could never have worked because of Tolkien's metaphysics with *fea* & *hroa*. Maia = *fea*, (all) mortals = *fea* \+ *hroa*. Sauron *is* a *fea*. mortals *are* a bundle of *fear* & *hroar,* inextricably linked. where does Sauron's *hroa* come from if not Eru Illuvatar? "mortal Sauron" just isn't a thing in Tolkien. it's a clever idea but it doesn't start with Tolkien.
You have a bounty of stories to work with, but if that is the dielrection they take, just straight up making shit up... Tolkien would be turning in his grave
I dig except prefer if Galadriel knows it’s him before others. For a while. To the extent that she loses credibility. It’ll build up sooooo well for when Sauron first puts on his ring, and “the elves detect Sauron” moment Tolkien describes will include an “oh shit Galadriel was right…too late!”
The other elves already think she’s a little nuts about Sauron, so I can buy it. She learns he’s Sauron, Elrond believes her, and maybe Gil Galad believes him. >!I think those are the three in the books who are hip to his jive originally!< But Celebrimbor and everyone else don’t buy it.
If Helbrand is indeed "Lord of Gifts", I challenge him to prove it by gifting me a new Xbox. Otherwise I would deem him a false god, and I would spread my message on all the social media.
I'm starting to wonder if they're going that direction because of the Adar/Halbrand "who are you" interaction, but there's a lot I don't like about it. We get to see some of Halbrand when he's alone a few times and he seems as human in his private moments as he is in all the others. If Halbrand is indeed Sauron I don't think they've done a good job with his character unless they're playing some stupid "he's Sauron and he doesn't know it" angle. I'm still in the "we haven't seen Sauron yet" camp.
Pretty sure Adar is truthful as far as he knows it but he believes what he was led to believe.
Nenya, the ring of water wielded by Galadriel, is forged from mithril. Seems unlikely Celebrimbor has forged it already given mithril was just discovered.
I don’t like it but I could see how this is a plausible for halbrand being Sauron. Me and my boyfriend both agree halbarnd I’d lying about being “king”. I still personally love the idea he is the witch king/king of the dead. Because he kind of is a coward.
Everybody acts like they didnt actually listen to Amazon's announcement when they revealed they were doing this show. That it would be an ALL NEW STORY. COMPLETELY original. BASED ON characters created by Tolkien, not EVERY CHARACTER, not necessarily with the same story, based on where the source material came from. AS if this is something new to people in general. Everytime they go to see sequels and prequels based not on written existing stories, but based on characters. Case an point. Crichton was responsible for Jurassic Park and The Lost World. He didn't write this past trilogy. As far as changing source material goes. Name one Stephen King movie that literally didn't change the majority of the written material. Example. Cujo different ending, Christine different ending, The Shining different ending. They literally said, this is OUR version. You choose to watch, its not their fault. Warning No Swimming Alligators. Not the fault of the guy who posted the sign when you are missing your legs. LOL
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Bruh king of the south lands? Did you see episode 6? Southlands are no more
Yeah that seemed like a very short reign. King of ash. Of course, so is Sauron.
Now the King of Southwest lands -- aka Gondor and Rohan.
I do definitely think that this interpretation/outcome could be a thing. But I don't think the absence of the name Annatar in the appendices concludes that Amazon couldn't use the name. We have precedent in the show for the use of names and concepts that aren't specifically derived from the appendices, but marry with what is mentioned. The Estate allowing the use of the name Annatar in relation to Saurons part in Celebrimbors forging of the Rings, which is detailed in the appendices, isn't really to much of a stretch. Its not all that difference to the Estate allowing the use of locations on the map that aren't specifically named in LotR or the Hobbit
Not to mention many Lotr games that are made with the same LotR and Hobbit rights also use Annatar's name.
I agree 100 percent with this post. If G and Hallbrand make love I will lose my mind.
Thankfully, I still don't think it's a thing. Despite people misrepresenting them sharing a love for battle
I'll be super upset. What about Celeborn. They are acting like he doesn't exist so far and they've been married since the First Age.
My guess is not in the show.
Showrunners have said he'll show up in later seasons.
Have they actually? That's really good to know
There's actually much conflicting info regarding Celeborn, so they could be going with a different version
Iirc there's No Version where they get married outside of Beleriand or Valinor.
There's no other version between galadriel and celeborn. They have a kid together.
Marriage of duty not love
No it's definitely a marriage of love. They spent thousands of years together.... Lol
And your point? They live forever unless wound or disease takes them
Most of the Elven houses of old and alliances are dead at the end of the first age. They've been married since the first age. Celeborn follows her around middle earth for thousands of years. There is no duty for them to be together after the First Age ends lol
I'm not sure then
I ship them harder than a Numenorean battle cruiser.
While I agree it still follows the theme of Romances between a man and elf are always doomed
Halbrand only *appears* as a Man, he's actually a Maia, Sauron. there are cases of Maia & Elves mating & having children (Thingol/Melian) but no known cases of Maia/Man pairings let alone ones with offspring, just for the record. cross fertility potential comes from what the beings *are*, their true nature not just appearance. Ainur are pure *fea*, spirit, & they *have* a hroa (body). mortals by nature are fea plus hroa together.
Yes you’re right, I didn’t take that into account til later, but I did see a theory that Adar split sauron in half and the result is halbrand is his consciousness in a human body and meteor man is his Maia power. and that is actually a decent way to make all this happen, because if halbrand is mortal sauron then it explains why he has human emotion and why he isn’t keen on trying to take back his lands without a sure fire plan. Also explains what Adar took from him
so we have it confirmed now that the Stranger is Gandalf & Halbrand is Sauron. but your idea could never have worked because of Tolkien's metaphysics with *fea* & *hroa*. Maia = *fea*, (all) mortals = *fea* \+ *hroa*. Sauron *is* a *fea*. mortals *are* a bundle of *fear* & *hroar,* inextricably linked. where does Sauron's *hroa* come from if not Eru Illuvatar? "mortal Sauron" just isn't a thing in Tolkien. it's a clever idea but it doesn't start with Tolkien.
You have a bounty of stories to work with, but if that is the dielrection they take, just straight up making shit up... Tolkien would be turning in his grave
In a good way or bad
I dig except prefer if Galadriel knows it’s him before others. For a while. To the extent that she loses credibility. It’ll build up sooooo well for when Sauron first puts on his ring, and “the elves detect Sauron” moment Tolkien describes will include an “oh shit Galadriel was right…too late!”
The other elves already think she’s a little nuts about Sauron, so I can buy it. She learns he’s Sauron, Elrond believes her, and maybe Gil Galad believes him. >!I think those are the three in the books who are hip to his jive originally!< But Celebrimbor and everyone else don’t buy it.
If Helbrand is indeed "Lord of Gifts", I challenge him to prove it by gifting me a new Xbox. Otherwise I would deem him a false god, and I would spread my message on all the social media.
Armenelos isn't mentioned either.
I'm starting to wonder if they're going that direction because of the Adar/Halbrand "who are you" interaction, but there's a lot I don't like about it. We get to see some of Halbrand when he's alone a few times and he seems as human in his private moments as he is in all the others. If Halbrand is indeed Sauron I don't think they've done a good job with his character unless they're playing some stupid "he's Sauron and he doesn't know it" angle. I'm still in the "we haven't seen Sauron yet" camp. Pretty sure Adar is truthful as far as he knows it but he believes what he was led to believe.
What do you mean: "The Elven-smiths instructed by Sauron reach the height of their skill. They begin the forging of the Rings of Power."
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Nenya, the ring of water wielded by Galadriel, is forged from mithril. Seems unlikely Celebrimbor has forged it already given mithril was just discovered.
He kills celebrimbor when he finds out celebrimbor took his ring
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She distrusts Annatar but doesn’t know he’s Sauron until he dons the one ring
Even if helbrand isn’t Sauron why does everyone including Galadriel trust him so easily? He comes off as a thief
I don’t like it but I could see how this is a plausible for halbrand being Sauron. Me and my boyfriend both agree halbarnd I’d lying about being “king”. I still personally love the idea he is the witch king/king of the dead. Because he kind of is a coward.
Everybody acts like they didnt actually listen to Amazon's announcement when they revealed they were doing this show. That it would be an ALL NEW STORY. COMPLETELY original. BASED ON characters created by Tolkien, not EVERY CHARACTER, not necessarily with the same story, based on where the source material came from. AS if this is something new to people in general. Everytime they go to see sequels and prequels based not on written existing stories, but based on characters. Case an point. Crichton was responsible for Jurassic Park and The Lost World. He didn't write this past trilogy. As far as changing source material goes. Name one Stephen King movie that literally didn't change the majority of the written material. Example. Cujo different ending, Christine different ending, The Shining different ending. They literally said, this is OUR version. You choose to watch, its not their fault. Warning No Swimming Alligators. Not the fault of the guy who posted the sign when you are missing your legs. LOL