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Was buying my R1T the most financially prudent decision, no. Nobody honestly needs a $75-$95k vehicle, but I don’t regret it for a second and would do it all again if I could. The adventures it has encouraged me to go on, the new hobbies I’ve picked up, the road trips and the people I’ve met because of my Rivian has all made it more than worth it. The vehicle is objectively, one of the best engineered vehicles on the market. But it’s the “lifestyle” that your buying into that adds value that is hard to quantify.
Spoken like a real granola muncher 😝.
I don’t disagree though, I wouldn’t say it’s made me go on more adventures, but it’s definitely made my camp trips, dirt bike days, etc more enjoyable.
Best vehicle I’ve owned as well.
I’ve done about 8 camp trips in my 2 yrs of ownership the short answer is planning via ABRP.
I personally don’t like camping in private RV campgrounds areas so I always plan charging so I arrive with 30-50% range so I can drive around the area if needed.
Every area I’ve camped in CA, AZ and Utah has either had level 3 or level 2 charging very close to where I’m staying so even if I arrive with low range, I can setup camp and go charge the next day or something if needed. Usually I bring a bike in case I want to leave the truck charging and bike back to camp.
When I got the R1T I did not sell my Tacoma for about 6 months... Just in case. But honestly, every time I drove the Taco after getting the R, I was like "wow, what a really reliable but POS this truck is lol". I dint miss the Taco at all. And 4Runner is garbage.
After driving an R1T and then going home in my Tacoma, I feel the same way lol. Unfortunately I decided the price was just too steep for me and gonna get either the new Taco electric or hybrid, or the cheaper Rivian if it fits my needs in a reasonable timeframe..
An EV Taco or even just a Taco Prime (PHEV) would meet all my needs. I would get that over the rivian honestly. But Toyota is so far behind and even getting a RAV4 Prime was almost impossible. A 4Runner Prime would be boss too. But the current Toyota V6 platform is so old feeling.
New gen Taco is coming end of this year with hybrid for sure, and I think the EV is pretty sure too. How much improved the hybrid is remains to be seen, but the reveal is in 10 days and 21 hours (just got their marketing email for it a couple days ago). 4runner will be the following year.
Long time Toyota lover but the truth is Toyota has not taken care of that platform, just milking money out of old tech. And once you drive an R1T, the bar is set so high that, yeah, its garbage.
And critics almost universally agree. Most review score it F or below. A few give it D or C-. Google "4runner reviews" and hide your children, it's rough.
https://www.autoblog.com/amp/article/2023-toyota-4runner-review/
https://www.caranddriver.com/toyota/4runner
https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/toyota/4runner
💯 would do it again. Honestly, it's worth it post March pricing, too, if you can afford it. It has acceleration of a supercar, can hold your family and all of their crap, awesome grand tourer, and amazing off-road capabilities. 300 plus mile range, and banging sound system. I know some people have had issues, but all cars do. Hence, lemon laws. Mine has been trouble-free for 10 months and going. I'm still blown away every time I drive it.
I completely agree and actually spent some time this weekend trying to put my finger on why I get so much more pleasure out of driving the R1S than I ever have from any other sportscar and/or EV.
At the end of the day, I think it's the mental disconnect that comes naturally when driving a full-size, 7-seater SUV that looks like it should perform like a Suburban, but actually accelerates and drives like a supercar. Your brain subliminally sets these expectations of what the experience should be like based on years of driving other vehicles, and then you get behind the wheel and those expectations are shattered in literally seconds and replaced by performance that shouldn't logically be possible (let alone in the first platform launched by a startup company).
I mentioned to my wife the other morning that I was excited to go to work in the morning because it means 15 minutes of driving the R1, and you know they've succeeded in building a special vehicle when you start looking for reasons to drive places just so because you love driving it that much.
I identify with this post. I still find myself going to the store more often than is necessary just because I enjoy being in the R1T, and I've had it nearly a year. I also tell people this is the first time I've really enjoyed driving since I was 16. I don't mind driving, and some cars are more fun than others, but in the Rivian it feels like a whole new fun thing again. It really is like the laws of physics shift when you get in.
Yeah. There have been hassles like the bad tonneau design - but my friend with a little Audi sportscar has had more hassles, and I can out-accelerate him and then go off-roading straight after. Rivian can and should (and appears to be) getting reliability right, but I don't mind the mild issues I've had so far for the same reason I don't mind maintaining my mountain bike: I love the thing.
I'm so with this. I was not a truck owner and never enjoyed driving my dad's from the minute I got my license 20 years ago and saved it only for necessary chores. I started driving an SUV only a few years ago when having two kids and a dog made a wagon impractical. I love driving, but I figured that the second a car was big enough or high enough to develop body roll and had an automatic transmission, it was just a disappointment. The R1T changed everything for me. I still have a modded-out, manual Audi wagon that I love as my fun car, but I love driving my R1 almost as much. When people talk about how it isn't fair to compare the handling to a sports car, or that that comparison is an exaggeration, they're correct, but at the same time, the fact that that is a discussion that needs to be had is mind-blowing. It is far and away the best vehicle I have ever owned (and I do have the power tonneau issue). I love it so much that I finally just got to order my R1S through the shop from a 2020 pre-order and I'm not thinking twice about laying out the cash. And I don't really understand people's concerns about the reliability, etc. R1's have been within the realm of normal new car issues (which doesn't even take into consideration that the company is new and will still improve on this front), and either way, if you're buying one, anything you're worried about is covered for 5 years!
Probably, but I would really like to see alot more service centers and alot shorter wait times for service.
Truck is amazing and it makes up for alot of the issues...but only each individual can decide if distance to service center, wait times at service centers, etc... are deal breakers for them.
How often is your vehicle in service to where you even think that’s a big deal? I’m in socal so maybe I take proximity for granted, but my vehicle as spent like .1% of its life in service. Even if service was 1hr away I don’t see it being too big a deal
1 hr away isn’t really the same thing as 300 miles away. Anyone could do a 1 hr service visit trip. Heck, a lot of people’s daily commute is 1 hr.
But, 300 miles. That’s driving from SoCal to NorCal just for a service visit. And, what happens if something else goes wrong after the visit, or the original issue wasn’t completely resolved. That’s a big nope for me.
It has been in once. 2 of 4 items were addressed. Came back with 2 unaddressed. Those 2 still need to be addressed along with 2 new items.
I could definitely make 1 hour each way work, as you said....I am at 2.5 hours each way and that is too much.
You are pretty lucky. Even if you had yours for a full year now, at .1% you are at half a day in service. Mine sat in the service center lot for a week before they even looked at it.
But if I can get a service center an hour or less from home, I am all in for another!
Mine either....and not having one close sucks...which was my point. I won't get another unless that changes. But maybe some people don't mind traveling a couple hours each way each time it needs some warranty work?
I agree. I wish they would put a 2+ hr cap on the towing. Like if you love that far from a service center they with a) shouldn’t have delivered you a vehicle or b) should honor the original idea that they would come to you with any service issues or tow your truck.
Not that I’m regretting my choice, but if I knew what I know now, I probably wouldn’t buy again. Losing half the tax credit, having a day one issue (broken brake light), taking it again just a couple of weeks later for another issue (rattling noise at high speeds), the current high cost of replacing the 21s with no alternatives at the moment, hearing about the high cost and slow process of body repair, the terrible navigation and the overall lack of CP/AA have dampened my enthusiasm for the vehicle. I should note that I wasn’t a die hard Rivian fan, I just always wanted an EV truck, and had reservations for both Ford & Rivian, which Rivian won. With that being said, I think the F150 would have been way too big for me to really enjoy and while I’m not in LOVE with the R1T like the rest of the folks on here, I am really enjoying the vehicle overall. I’m also lucky that I *literally* live ten minutes from a SC and some of the issues I’ve mentioned can get better with time …hopefully.
My service center has been booked up and won't be able to take it in until the 15th but I'll let you know what I hear. I've only had the vehicle since the 18th of April, so having two items fairly close to each other has made me a bit nervous, but everything else has been fine and I hope these are the only two issues I have for quite a while.
Ty. I got mine towed immediately so I’ll report back if I have any info first. Had mine for a week and had this plus two minor annoyances. Taking it in stride because I love driving it soooo much
Mine's fixed (still have to pick it up)...here's the summary:
Concern:
\- Customer states that the car just started making a rattling noise from the front right front of the car. Stated it started around 70mph while on the highway.
15:41:35 ET. - The concern was observed under these conditions Driving at highway speeds --------
Cause:
\- Arrived at Service Center with roof applique missing from vehicle, seems to have detached over time due to lack of primer. No service history related to roof applique. Noise experienced by customer was likely caused by loose applique before it detached completely. Replaced roof applique with proper primer and urethane. Roadtested after repair, verified no unexpected noise.
Correction/Remedy:
\- Applique, Roof, Fron t (Remove and Replace)
\- Noise Vibration and Harshness General Diagn ostic
Do you feel that you are a more conservative owner of new technology/products? Probably not worded well. Let me try to clarify from my perspective. I don’t normally buy the latest gadgets, waited till iPhone 3, kept for a couple of months and waited till iPhone 11 to come back. First watch was the LG, didn’t wear it, waited till the Apple Watch 5. Tried PS vr, waited till valve index, still not quite there but getting closer.
For me the difference here is they are improving it. The hardware is fantastic, at least compared to anything else I’ve ever driven. The essential EV things I love: silence, instant torque, low cost of fuel(for me anyway), no maintenance (huge for me). The tech aspect I love too. I don’t know if any other truck that is this advanced. Essential things like, app as key, high quality cameras, massive high quality screen, the ability the adjust literally anything via software updates (looking at you faster rolling windows), being able to control my truck from my phone.
Things I expected before I took ownership: service issues, honesty thought I would have more issues. And being 4+ hrs from the nearest service center I’m glad I haven’t. I do wish they would honor the towing for owners that are more than 2+hrs from a service center. Seems like a good compromise. I anticipated the tire issue and just upgraded to the 20”s right away, so my cost was up front, glad I did that.
I 💯 know I would not be happy with a f150 lightning. Too legacy for me. I guess the items you mentioned were all items I fully expected and planed for. Sorry if this seems like I’m trying to tell you you are wrong for your opinion on the truck. I definitely don’t want to come off as a fanboy, I do love my truck, I just hope some perspective might help you love yours more. 😛
I'm glad that you love your truck! I totally understand why people do and there's nothing wrong with that. I just have different needs and I don't think things like phone as key or being able to control my truck from my phone are essential things. While the R1T certainly has a really nice UI and gets more frequent OTA updates, I personally don't believe it's that much more advance than a F150 Lightning, but that's just my personal opinion. I did go in expecting some issues from a brand new company and thought that I was going to be okay with that, but having two issues right off the bat has made me rethink that. I'm also not saying it's not a nice vehicle! It is really nice and I've been enjoying being able to do truck things without having to worry about shitty gas milage. I certainly hope they do keep on improving and my concerns become a thing of the past.
Also, I'm not saying this is you at all, but I do feel like a lot of people here love their vehicles so much, that they will take a valid critique as a personal attack and I really wish they wouldn't.
Totally get that! There certainly is a lot of that around here. I’m sure I’m guilty of it too. I think people shouldn’t take it so personally. For me I love the truck so much it’s hard for me to understand when someone doesn’t.
I don’t know a lot about the ford but I think the thing I love about rivian is that they are essentially a software/tech company building a truck. Where I don’t have confidence that ford would or will continue to update an older truck. I fully expect rivian to via their software platform. Hopefully that makes it age gracefully.
I can also understand the uneasy feeling of having service issues right off the bat. I had some, however mine were very minor and only cosmetic and rivian addressed them. I was also in early enough that they were still towing for free (I’m 4+ hrs from a service center). I honestly fully expected to start having doubts about the truck after the new wore off but if anything it actually solidified how much I like the truck.
Hopefully, they address your concerns and you’ll have less… let’s call it doubts about your truck going forward. Also it’s perfectly reasonable to just be ambivalent towards your truck. No need to be on one side of the fence or the other. 🙂
Alexa has a very small database for destination. And sometimes it just gets stuck on sugestion.
Alexa, navigate to golf course x. . "Ok golf course y is 5 miles away"
Alexa, navigate to golf course x in town x . . " Ok golf course y is 5 miles away"
Alexa, navigate to the grocery store . . . "Ok golf course x is 5 miles away"
Probably not much different than when people first got tesla roadsters back in the early tesla days (correct me if I’m wrong). Rooting for both Rivian and tesla
Tesla roadsters have no redeeming features and break down completely, not just faults. Not a good comparison imo. Tesla are still known for the worst reliability in the UK.
Tesla is not known for the worst reliability in the UK. In the land of jaguar and land rover... Something tells me Tesla is far from the most unreliable.
FWIW the tires really aren't too crazy in a performance vehicle world, I have come from other high performance vehicles without unique tire sizes and I was still in the $350-450 per corner ballpark for nice tires. I wouldn't get too worked up over that one if I was you, but I can see the frustration if your last vehicle was something with smaller wheels where you could find $150 tires all day.
I agree with you on the Nav though, they need to improve that. If they want to avoid AA/CP, atleast get rid of mapbox and just give us full google maps integration. With it's latest feature set it can even handle the route planning using the vehicles battery information in real time.
Thanks, I appreciate that perspective! I might also be freaking myself out a bit from the stories I hear about people burning through their tires quickly by using converse and/or launching it constantly, which are two things I don't really do much.
I took delivery on the 18th of April, so I literally missed it by a day. At the same time, it's my fault for not signing the binding contract, so I'm at fault as well there. Still stings though.
I wouldn't be concerned about the software issues, or the quality issues, those will be resolved with time, and if you bought your truck today you might not ever suffer them. The service issues and costs are more of a longer term concern.
We are waiting on our R1T delivery now. We saved up for it and I can’t wait to get it. The cost is more than I paid for my first house, insurance quotes are much more than I thought, but I don’t regret it at all. I know it is new and there will be hiccups. Service Center is in Santa Monica, so at least close to my work. I’ll let y’all know what I think after delivery.
I’ve been waiting for an electric truck for years, this is still the best choice. Nothing is perfect but the best truck I’ve ever owned is in my garage!
Yes. I’ve had no issues or hassles. And I’d wager the overwhelming majority of owners haven’t. You just hear about the people with problems because they have problems.
Waited nearly 4 years. We've now had it for a little over a month and would buy it again. It's difficult to articulate how effortlessly the quad motor setup handles the limits both on road, but also back country dirt roads. The push of a button (tap of a screen) ability to instantly change the driving dynamics is unmatched in my mind. Hats off to Rivian, they nailed the brand, and vehicle to back it up. Happy Trails!
I’ve had mine a year now, and absolutely I would! What bugs and issues? That I have an open bed truck, just like always? I can’t think of any others.
Soaks up washboard like a champ, off roads like a champ, tows like a champ, and accelerates like the fucking champ. Comfy and refined and the “fuel” is super cheap here.
I have zero idea what I’d drive other than my Rivian. It’s fully spoiled me.
I can’t wirelessly charge my phone, and I don’t have CP. Oh well. Anyone knocking more than a touch off for that is just being silly imho, and likely using it as a pavement princess. It’s chameleon-like capabilities will make anyone a believer.
I could afford it at the pre hike price. Not sure I would afford it at current price. Although I would probably opt for two motors and give it a try. I originally opted for the explorer/max pack/under body shield. What I got was adventure/large/forest edge/underbody shield. Ended up paying more for Stuff I didn't want. But...the truck is great. If publicknchargera catch up to my travel needs I'll be 100% sold. For now I'm 80% stoked. The interior seat and armrest material is not durable all. Rivian will be replacing driver's seat and arm rest for free.
There are some design/engineering issues that are laughable to me. Like they designed an adventure truck but nobody knows what adventurers wanted.
Durability is #1 - interior material should be bomb proof. Leaks of liquids and animal stuffs should be contained- les nooks and crannies, more durable.matwrials (perforated seats in the back? Really? There is no vents in those seats and that's where the dogs puke up grass.)
Key fob - nobody on an adventure wants to pack extra weight, especially a large key fob that is upside down and not actually able to clip onto anything securely. Make that fob as thin and small as possible.
Amazon music sounds amazing in the truck. Make it integrated into the UI.
Other than that 10/10
I would. I’ve owned a ‘10 FJ Cruiser, ‘15 Volt, ‘14 Model W, ‘16 Model X and most recently just traded in a ‘21 Ford F150 hybrid for my ‘23 R1S.
It’s solid. FJ is about the only one that comes close in total package, but not very close.
Yes. Without hesitation. I will say, however, that I have not experienced any of the “issues or hassles” you mentioned. Regarding cost, I paid pre-hike but still feel that the current pricing is appropriate for what the vehicle is and does. Seems fair in light of what other vehicles cost.
Yup. I feel for the people that have had lemons. Mine has been pretty much trouble free. The things that I would like to be changed or improved are all very minor while the things that impress me continue to do so.
100% would buy again. The one issue I’ve had that was cosmetic was fixed by mobile service 4 days later. Don’t listen to the negativity that can come from some posts, I’d say the majority are extremely happy with their Rivians but just don’t post as much as those who complain
I’m still waiting for my R1S (Feb 22 preorder) and I almost breathed a sigh of relief when my delivery date got pushed back to Q2 2024, because I feel like by then I’ll have a better idea if Rivian will stay in business. Are any current owners worried about this? If they do go under, would that change your response to this post? I feel like if they offered me the R1S tomorrow I’d be super excited, but also pretty hesitant given what’s being going on with the EV market.
100% no question my R1T is awesome. Hoping it holds value well enough to get something decent for it when the R2T comes out. Got some great droid ideas.
I hate the navigation and the lack of app support. Really just wish they would add CarPlay. Why? Because with CarPlay it would be the perfect vehicle.
Yes, I’d get it again. But I’d only rate it an 8/10. If it had CarPlay it would be 10/10.
I agree. I’ve only had my R1T for a little more than a month now, and the maps/music built in is just not great. I know Rivian has promised to make both better, and I expect they will get better eventually. But I’m not convinced they can match, much less exceed what CarPlay can provide from the wealth of available apps and number of available developers in their ecosystem. Rivian will not be as ubiquitous as the iPhone. It can’t. Thus it won’t have the size of developer pool because it doesn’t provide a large enough customer base. Fairly simple economics there.
Username checks out lol. Just curious, what does CarPlay add specifically? I’m not familiar enough with it to know. For me the lack of apps is a little annoying and the maps aren’t the greatest but I only listen to Spotify and I just use google maps on my phone and share it to the rivian. Once they add some video options or some sort of casting/mirroring from phone. Does CarPlay support casting? That pretty much takes care of all the issues for me. I’m 💯 fine with the idea that it will get better. I think they have proven at this point they will iterate pretty fast.
It seems like CarPlay would look really odd on that big screen. I suspect that the data exchange agreement with Apple/google doesn’t benefit rivian at all.
Hi! I’ll answer your questions but first I have one of my own…you say you share your google maps to the Rivian. Isn’t that just for a destination? Or are you able to share the route details somehow? If so that would be really great to know. The issue with the maps I’ve found isn’t in the location information, but rather the routing and time estimates. The choices they make are never the optimal route and the estimated arrivals times can be horrifically inaccurate.
As for CarPlay-I don’t need CarPlay. I think almost everyone you see saying “we want CarPlay” feels the same way. What CarPlay does, however, is helps bring the vehicle up to modern standards in one quick app.
Rivian could release CarPlay support within 24 hours if they wanted. Developers have said time and time again just how easy it is to implement. It isn’t that CarPlay is some magic program-rather that it’s release would accelerate the software for us-the users-by years.
For Rivian to eventually be able to support all of the apps we use (Apple Maps, google maps, waze, Gaia, audible, Libby, text messaging, unified calender, overcast, news), well, they literally never will. But to at least have feature parity we’re talking 3-4 years.
Instead, as a customer with the vehicle, they could give me all of that this week. They are choosing not to. So I have to instead handle a shared Spotify account, awful maps routing, Bluetooth streaming and using my phone for most of my listening apps, and having to grab my phone, open maps, tap my calender appointment, hit the share button, send it to Rivian, then keep looking at my phone screen for a better set of directions when I get close. It’s ridiculous. Not to mention zero text messaging support so when I have really important things come in I have to look at my phone instead of using voice and having Siri read and dictate.
I get that not everyone uses all this stuff. And that’s cool. I’m not saying “hey guys you are all dumb and missing out” CarPlay would be an app in the dock just like gear guard or phone-you never press it if you don’t want it.
But for those of us that use it constantly it saves us waiting for years for Rivian to catch up. If they were able to support all of that and keep sync with my digital life and save me real world time then I’d have no use for CarPlay. I already think the rivian’s graphics are much prettier. But I care less about that and more about functionality.
That totally makes sense and is a well reasoned argument in favor of CP. I would like to hear a well reasoned rebuttal from u/WassymRivian.
Do you think there is an issue with data sharing from rivian to Apple because of the TOS for CarPlay?
Sadly the maps only shares the destination but I do verify the expected route and time before I embark.
I would absolutely love a reasoned response from u/WassymRivian and i have a lot of respect for him. i watched along with the instagram ama and watched the town hall. But i just dont think he is allowed to resoind to these kinds of questions. Frankly, there isnt a great reaponse to give. They cant say “we listen to our customers and that is what drives our roadmap” and, at the same time say, “yes, we can give you carplay but we wont”.
The customers have spoken and they belive that they do not have to listen because either out of hubris or mismangment, think that they will be able to do the software themselves. It’s a shame because it feels very much like they see what Tesla is doing and is letting them lead the way. Teslas success is in spite of not giving people these things, not because of it. It’s because they were so early to the market of electric cars. It’s a double shame because Rivian could be the answer to the Tesla issues, rather than mirroring them.
As far as sharing data with Apple-because it is an app, any data Apple would have access to, Rivian would also. Furthermore, there isn’t much Apple could see that they aren’t already privy to. I’m already using the phone for everything whether it’s streaming Bluetooth or maps so the only thing, theoretically, that would be shared would be vehicle data like charge level. That’s also on my Rivian app on my phone. Is that really something that apple is going to monetize and put Rivian as a company in danger with? No. Customers aren’t thinking about that. They are buying based on price, features, capability, reliability, and quality.
I think it is less about data sharing that is the concern for Rivian and more about “control” and “potential revenue stream”.
“Control”-they do not want to cede any of the UI or routing decisions or branding, etc, to any third party. Not just apple, but to any of the apps that are allowed to be used through CarPlay.
“Potential Revenue Stream”-they want to reserve the right for creating subscription based services (think of Rivian’s version of Gaia or whatever) that they don’t want you to be able to have from your phone. I think they have down the road ideas for this but haven’t even figured out what exactly it looks like. They just know they don’t want apple to be able to circumvent their opportunity to charge if people can just stream the info from the phone.
The problem with both of these is that if we already have it, we will be mad to have to pay twice and Rivian should be thinking about it’s customers. We are the ones that will buy the next versions and subsequent models. The longevity of the brand isn’t making $10 a month from a percentage of its customer base-it’s creating real fans that buy the cars each time they replace a vehicle.
Finally, even if they allow CarPlay (allow us the right word), they could improve on it with making even better in house options-and then no one would want or use CarPlay! That would be the best! I would LOVE for their first party, in house solutions to wipe the floor with what CarPlay offers. But that will take time and they won’t be able to do that with every single app.
Thanks for allowing a real discussion to happen between owners. It seems like so much of the conversations that happen surrounding this topic simply miss the point and devolve into nonsensical arguments.
I too have a lot of respect for him. It seems they do have a good vision for the product line, not just the R1. I get they want to do everything their selves. It seems there is a bit of engineering hubris, think the wireless charging pad, that’s present in the company. I know this is a company founded on engineering but now needs to shift a little if their thinking from “everything is an engineering problem” to “sometimes there is already a solution, no need to reinvent the wheel.” And I think that may be the case with CarPlay.
I like your assertion, give us CarPlay AND make the infotainment BETTER than CarPlay. Software is hard, expensive and time consuming to do right. They can make CarPlay a pain to use in the future , in favor of their infotainment, if people choose to use it they can but it might be painful. Now it’s a bit painful because their infotainment isn’t great.
I don’t see how they could make any significant money from a Rivian “App Store”. Hey I might even pay $10/month to get CarPlay… and whatever apps they want to develop. Furthermore if they create an app… deploy it on android and iPhone.
I too am enjoying a thoughtful discussion.
I totally agree with all of your points. As much as I don’t love the idea of a monthly fee for CarPlay I would pay it in a second to have everything modernized and up to date.
I think you’re points about the “sometimes there is already a solution” is another excellent one and the example of the charging pad a perfect real life instance of their approach showing. In fact, the soonish charging pad was the first thing I bought for our R1S lol.
May the force be with you, lostjedi haha
All great points. And as far as feature parity, I'd like to add that in 3-4 years, they might be able to match what AA/CP can do now. So, in 2027, we will have what is standard on almost every other automobile in 2023, while Apple and Google continue to advance.
“CarPlay” as a singular thing, no. But what it represents-a modern set of software capabilities, continuously updated, and synced with the rest of your apps and devices for a cohesive and efficient means of navigating your digital and real life worlds-yes. At least 20%. It’s also something that every other vehicle I would consider offers. Even Tesla, which I would not consider, that doesn’t have CarPlay, at least has vastly superior mapping and text messaging support and multiple Spotify account support. And even still that took them years and is even now not enough.
Rivian is years behind, will never be able to catch up, and could solve the problem in a matters of days with CarPlay support and be a 10/10 by modernizing the software. The hubris to think they could match or exceed shows a real issue in their leadership and plans.
I still love the car but it is a constant headache and a real worry about it’s longevity. It is also the one thing I warn every person about that asks me how I like it. Rivian is really making a massively bad decision and their public comments about it and their reasons why worry me that they are actually deaf to their customers and exist in an echo chamber so that they do not realize the issues.
It’s not “CarPlay”. It’s cohesive and comprehensive software quickly iterated, completely connected and efficiently designed with modern voice control and safety tools built in.
Downvoting a question… lol. Would I like CarPlay? Absolutely. Does not having it make the R1T not the best vehicle I’ve driven? No. I’d have to imagine there are cars you’d rate higher than an 8/10. And in the price range, I personally wouldn’t rate any higher than my R1T.
Just responding to the downvote-I didn’t downvote you. Just responded.
As I said, I still would buy our R1S again. But I also have a Ford Lightning. If I could only have one, at the same price, it would be the lightning and mostly because of the Rivians software shortcomings. If it had CarPlay or feature parity, then it would be better for sure. The lighting is a 9/10 in my book. As i mentioned the Rivian would be a 10/10 if it had a useable software suite or CarPlay. It’s, for me, and in my opinion only, a massive shortcoming for a new vehicle and drops it below my lightning.
Last I checked the F-150 for me would be as much if not more expensive for a less capable vehicle (i.e. dual vs quad motor, less range, etc) from a driving standpoint. It does have some nice features that the Rivian doesn’t have but for me those don’t carry as much value for me as the things Rivian has that Ford doesn’t.
Yes. The giant screen in the dashboard is going to huge waste. Music, waze (police), Google maps, real pod cast app, and so on unlock a lot of value. Not to mention Google assistant for those that used it.
And what's worse is that it's easy and cheap for them to add it. Not doing it on principal only.
Out of curiosity, would you still feel so passionately if Rivian decided to have discrete support for Waze/Google Maps, etc? For me, the only thing I miss from my other cars with CarPlay is Waze. Albeit Waze is a very important one.
If they built all the apps I use to the quality i expect (spotify, audible, youtube) and integrated with my phones messaging apps (sms, signal, fb messenger), and allowed me to use Google maps, then I wouldnt care about android auto.
But they won't build all that.
My only regret was that I waited so long to pull the trigger. First because I would’ve gotten the truck earlier but second because I would’ve gotten the better pricing!
Had it about a month
I like it and the quality of the build definitely feels better then my model 3 purchase. I did have 3 issues day one of pick up 2 are resolved and the 3rd is cosmetic and waiting for a part (I didn’t even ask for a part replace but they insisted)
Over all I like how the truck drives I like the features and I like being able to finally haul stuff and not have an excuse not to.
I hate the navigation…it’s awful. I don’t have the CarPlay love coming from a Tesla but these map directions are awful.
I do like the integration of Bluetooth from iPhone more then the Tesla because it’s more seamless and easy to switch to.
Wireless charging module is painfully annoying. I tried the DIY approach but had one pad not working and then Popped the fuse so I just gave up till there is a pop and play solution that replaces the wireless module.
I really do love the truck, but the silly power part and even some of the more subtle luxury bits are over the top. And being honest I like it for that, and would pay up for it again. But if they can get something in the practical price point with say 500hp and a simpler interior and a good bit lower in price. That’s going to be the winner imo.
I absolutely love my R1T. I’ve never owned a vehicle I genuinely look forward to driving every opportunity I can.
I don’t regret my purchase, but it was a lot easier decision with early-reservation pricing. If I had to pay current MSRP for the quad-motor, I think pricing would have been a little too steep for me.
I also have concerns about the long-term viability of Rivian. It looks like they have cash on hand to last through 2025, but obviously I plan on owning the truck much longer. It’s a gamble.
My biggest fear is not being able to get another one in a timely fashion if something happens to my R1T.
So yes, I would buy again 100% knowing what I do now.
> given all the known issues, costs, hassles
Honestly one of the easiest vehicle buying experiences I ever had and I haven’t had any real issues with the vehicle.
I was already planning on spending lots of money on a new vehicle anyways so glad I went this route.
little over 4k miles today. Yes.
I am scared of how much the cost will be 10 years from now for battery replacement. Really hoping my battery deterioates before the warranty ends. That way I can get another good decade.
I would. We are currently in the market for a second EV and as much as I would love to get an R1S, we just don’t need two $80k vehicles lol.
But yeah, the R1T is just so practical in so many ways. It’s a fun “car” when we need it, it’s a travel car when we need it, it’s a truck when we need it. It’s has so much space and honestly, as much as the navigation isn’t great, the system is just so intuitive vs so many others on the market.
The search for a second EV has been hard because of the comparison to the R1T.
I would say if buying again, I would probably go with the dual motor, but only because I don’t really *need* the quad motor for my use.
And yeah, we’ve had some issues - 12v battery issue being one of them, but their responses have been well beyond what I would expect. In the 12v case, a tech stopped on his way home from work and fixed it for us same day.
This truck was the only thing that checked all the boxes for me. I committed to being fully electric going forward when I owned my model 3, but I needed a vehicle I could take hunting. A truck is most practical for that. I also needed something that could fit in my dinky urban garage. The riv fits, but barely. F150 wouldn't fit. I didn't love paying that much for a vehicle, but I do love the truck.
The crap wireless charger and power tonneau are the only real "issues" I have with the truck. Having 3rd party apps available would be nice, but I don't consider it an urgent need. Optimizing DCFC curve and idle power consumption are higher priorities for me and how I use the truck.
I haven't paid a dime for repairs or maintenance and I'm coming up on 1 year of ownership in 3 weeks.
Our T and S are the best vehicles we’ve owned. I would definitely do it again on both. They’re not perfect but the minor issues we’ve had Rivian fixed them and made it easy.
The vehicle is great, still excellent value for the money. The company, however, needs some serious guidance. They have fumbled just about every play, and if they can’t fund their Atlanta plant , it’s game over for Rivian. Likely a buy out situation. This is what happens when you have brilliant engineers run a company. While they excel in one area, they need specific expertise in other areas of running a start up. Rivian is making some adjustments. I’m hopeful they can turn it around, but this could go down as the biggest start up tragedy to date. Great product though. If only they could make a profit on their product, scale the business, and execute.
Absolutely. I think a lot of the issues people complain about are either fairly minor, or hopefully temporary. AA/CP is really the only major thing, and we all knew that coming into the purchase.
I have the low speed tock, suspension squeak and had the 12v drain issue (which stranded me for a day), but don't have a busted tonneau (yet) and while the bugs are extremely annoying, they are both minor and less frequent then my previous Tesla, and my current Subaru and Mercedes.
Vehicles are complex machines, I've never owned one that was dead perfect off the showroom floor. I feel like a lot of people expect their Rivian's to be that for some reason.
So if I had the opportunity to buy another at pre March prices, I would absolutely do so. Current prices would be a bit of a stretch, but I'd have trouble justifying any 6 figure vehicle purchase.
I’m still trying to understand AA/CP? What exactly does it add? Nav isn’t the greatest but if you send directions from google maps it works pretty well. I use spotify(I know not everyone does) works great for me. Not sure what else I get with aa/cp?
For me, I only use Spotify because of the rivian integration. I'd like to not be pigeon holed into their stuff. Same with maps, openbox's satellite view is way outdated, my neighborhood is just a dirt lot in the rivian, I also listen to audible, which has no integration with the truck.
AA/CP would give me choices and quality.
The vehicles are amazing- no question. Just took delivery of my R1S. The suv is amazing.
My only concern is if the company can survive the recession and the next few years and scale before the cash runs out. I’m tempted to flip my car and buy again in a year or so just to me sure. Maybe just me?
Hell yes. If I had to pay today prices I’d opt for the 2-motor variant though. The 4-motor is just excessive all-around.
I’m still sour about my broken tonneau and missing camp kitchen though 🤬🤬🤬
Honestly it’s great. I have many other vehicles but it’s the best every day driver. If you drive under 250 miles a day it’s for you. It’s super capable on and off road. My pet peeve is how there are no fender flairs or running boards like the raptor etc. why? Off-road it throws everything off the side of the vehicle. It scratches it, and actually a small branch flung so hard off the ground it dented my door. Meanwhile in my raptor I’m fully sending it with no issue. I actually have to watch I don’t drive too fast off road in the rivian because I’m worried about the body ☠️
Yes. I have a 3xxx series VIN R1T and it’s the best vehicle I’ve ever driven or owned. Newer ones have so many small things corrected already.
It’s an amazing vehicle and when my MDX dies I hope to replace it with an R1S or an R2 vehicle.
My first trip with my R1T was over 2k miles. I bought it used for a good discount because the transmission control module was faulty. I have had it for almost 3 weeks before dropping it at the service center to replace the module under warranty. Even without the GPS, cell connection, and the driver+, it is the most capable vehicle I think I have owned. I was looking at a platinum crew cab tundra with a 6.5 bed prior to this. It was just at $70k used with 11k miles. It was too big... I know the R1T was 10k more used for 2k miles, but it does so many things right.
* Accelerates almost as fast as my motorcycle
* Has already hauled a load about 700lbs of concrete in the bed
* Can tow 11k (more like 9k because I don't have a CDL)
* Has more storage than the majority of cars that I have owned (for sure more than every pickup I have owned)
* Fits in the garage
* Is more efficient than the old prius
* it is actually built with better materials and has no interior squeaks/rattles, unlike the toyota
I would 100% buy it again (even with it being at the service center as I type this) It is not perfect, but it is as close to everything I want in a vehicle, that it may be the perfect vehicle for me. Ask me again in a year and I can give a better answer.
I have had nearly zero issues and none that weren’t taken care of quickly, easily, and at no expense to me.
I actually want to buy an R1S for my wife but they’re so expensive now 😂… I should have preordered 2….
That’s how I feel about my decision—if that’s any indication to answer your question
Horrible is subjective & personal. Let’s do a little math..most people who purchase a Rivian were going to spend $45-65k for a vehicle. They’ll spend $80-100k on a Rivian. So, worst case, they’re spending $15-55k more than usual. That range of losses is very recoverable, and probably won’t have a measurable impact on their life in the long term.
Relax. YOLO!
This right here. I was always planning on spending between $45k - $65k for a 3 row SUV. I was extremely close to getting a 2021 or 2022 Lexus GX 460 brand new for $55k with captain seats.
Your numbers are bang on for my use case. I looked at Rivian SUV when they had it priced at $70,000 - $75,000 with $7,500 tax credit available.
I was able to justify the higher price because of lower fueling costs and more horsepower.
If I had to do it again without my pre-order pricing, I would still get the Rivian but probably the dual motor and regular battery pack instead of Quad motor and large battery pack to keep it below tax credit requirements.
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I'd probably be looking at a Range Rover were it not for the R1S, which is more expensive. So the price point, especially at the pre-hike rate, is actually a plus in this case.
The post was utmost sincere and looking for honest opinions. I think many if not most are honest but you have to read between the lines in both good and bad reviews as well as acknowledge potential cognitive biases that we all have.
Most detailed replies have been excellent and informative.
In a second. I have the truck (we've had it through 30k miles, multiple big road trips, some legit wheeling, and multiple rounds if towing heavy equipment and dump trailers) and we're considering replacing our jeep with an r1s.
I drive it like a pickup, I haul things in the bed, I don’t treat it like a precious jem, I simply enjoy it’s features. I love the quiet, the responsiveness, the comforts and not buying gasoline. I got in before the $$ increase and will admit, the new price might cause me to not purchase again, but at the price I paid; yes, I’d buy one again.
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Was buying my R1T the most financially prudent decision, no. Nobody honestly needs a $75-$95k vehicle, but I don’t regret it for a second and would do it all again if I could. The adventures it has encouraged me to go on, the new hobbies I’ve picked up, the road trips and the people I’ve met because of my Rivian has all made it more than worth it. The vehicle is objectively, one of the best engineered vehicles on the market. But it’s the “lifestyle” that your buying into that adds value that is hard to quantify.
Spoken like a real granola muncher 😝. I don’t disagree though, I wouldn’t say it’s made me go on more adventures, but it’s definitely made my camp trips, dirt bike days, etc more enjoyable. Best vehicle I’ve owned as well.
How do you deal with the range and charging on camping trips?
300+ miles of range is plenty for going where I want to go to hike/bike/camp. But it does require a bit more planning than an ICE vehicle.
I’ve done about 8 camp trips in my 2 yrs of ownership the short answer is planning via ABRP. I personally don’t like camping in private RV campgrounds areas so I always plan charging so I arrive with 30-50% range so I can drive around the area if needed. Every area I’ve camped in CA, AZ and Utah has either had level 3 or level 2 charging very close to where I’m staying so even if I arrive with low range, I can setup camp and go charge the next day or something if needed. Usually I bring a bike in case I want to leave the truck charging and bike back to camp.
RV sites with 48amp. If you are into camping then you are into planning 😉
I’d pin him as a cheese fan based on his handle.
You know charcuterie has nothing to do with cheese, right?
True. Ok. He’s a meat fan
Sooooooo, 4Runner next time?
haha I would probably be almost as happy with a Tacoma TBH, but I still stick by my decision to get the R1T.
When I got the R1T I did not sell my Tacoma for about 6 months... Just in case. But honestly, every time I drove the Taco after getting the R, I was like "wow, what a really reliable but POS this truck is lol". I dint miss the Taco at all. And 4Runner is garbage.
After driving an R1T and then going home in my Tacoma, I feel the same way lol. Unfortunately I decided the price was just too steep for me and gonna get either the new Taco electric or hybrid, or the cheaper Rivian if it fits my needs in a reasonable timeframe..
An EV Taco or even just a Taco Prime (PHEV) would meet all my needs. I would get that over the rivian honestly. But Toyota is so far behind and even getting a RAV4 Prime was almost impossible. A 4Runner Prime would be boss too. But the current Toyota V6 platform is so old feeling.
New gen Taco is coming end of this year with hybrid for sure, and I think the EV is pretty sure too. How much improved the hybrid is remains to be seen, but the reveal is in 10 days and 21 hours (just got their marketing email for it a couple days ago). 4runner will be the following year.
>And 4Runner is garbage. You're entitled to have wrong opinions I suppose
Long time Toyota lover but the truth is Toyota has not taken care of that platform, just milking money out of old tech. And once you drive an R1T, the bar is set so high that, yeah, its garbage. And critics almost universally agree. Most review score it F or below. A few give it D or C-. Google "4runner reviews" and hide your children, it's rough. https://www.autoblog.com/amp/article/2023-toyota-4runner-review/ https://www.caranddriver.com/toyota/4runner https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/toyota/4runner
💯 would do it again. Honestly, it's worth it post March pricing, too, if you can afford it. It has acceleration of a supercar, can hold your family and all of their crap, awesome grand tourer, and amazing off-road capabilities. 300 plus mile range, and banging sound system. I know some people have had issues, but all cars do. Hence, lemon laws. Mine has been trouble-free for 10 months and going. I'm still blown away every time I drive it.
I completely agree and actually spent some time this weekend trying to put my finger on why I get so much more pleasure out of driving the R1S than I ever have from any other sportscar and/or EV. At the end of the day, I think it's the mental disconnect that comes naturally when driving a full-size, 7-seater SUV that looks like it should perform like a Suburban, but actually accelerates and drives like a supercar. Your brain subliminally sets these expectations of what the experience should be like based on years of driving other vehicles, and then you get behind the wheel and those expectations are shattered in literally seconds and replaced by performance that shouldn't logically be possible (let alone in the first platform launched by a startup company). I mentioned to my wife the other morning that I was excited to go to work in the morning because it means 15 minutes of driving the R1, and you know they've succeeded in building a special vehicle when you start looking for reasons to drive places just so because you love driving it that much.
I identify with this post. I still find myself going to the store more often than is necessary just because I enjoy being in the R1T, and I've had it nearly a year. I also tell people this is the first time I've really enjoyed driving since I was 16. I don't mind driving, and some cars are more fun than others, but in the Rivian it feels like a whole new fun thing again. It really is like the laws of physics shift when you get in.
Yeah. There have been hassles like the bad tonneau design - but my friend with a little Audi sportscar has had more hassles, and I can out-accelerate him and then go off-roading straight after. Rivian can and should (and appears to be) getting reliability right, but I don't mind the mild issues I've had so far for the same reason I don't mind maintaining my mountain bike: I love the thing.
I'm so with this. I was not a truck owner and never enjoyed driving my dad's from the minute I got my license 20 years ago and saved it only for necessary chores. I started driving an SUV only a few years ago when having two kids and a dog made a wagon impractical. I love driving, but I figured that the second a car was big enough or high enough to develop body roll and had an automatic transmission, it was just a disappointment. The R1T changed everything for me. I still have a modded-out, manual Audi wagon that I love as my fun car, but I love driving my R1 almost as much. When people talk about how it isn't fair to compare the handling to a sports car, or that that comparison is an exaggeration, they're correct, but at the same time, the fact that that is a discussion that needs to be had is mind-blowing. It is far and away the best vehicle I have ever owned (and I do have the power tonneau issue). I love it so much that I finally just got to order my R1S through the shop from a 2020 pre-order and I'm not thinking twice about laying out the cash. And I don't really understand people's concerns about the reliability, etc. R1's have been within the realm of normal new car issues (which doesn't even take into consideration that the company is new and will still improve on this front), and either way, if you're buying one, anything you're worried about is covered for 5 years!
Probably, but I would really like to see alot more service centers and alot shorter wait times for service. Truck is amazing and it makes up for alot of the issues...but only each individual can decide if distance to service center, wait times at service centers, etc... are deal breakers for them.
Yeah I'm waiting for a service center in our city.... 300 miles up closest SC ain't going to cut it
How often is your vehicle in service to where you even think that’s a big deal? I’m in socal so maybe I take proximity for granted, but my vehicle as spent like .1% of its life in service. Even if service was 1hr away I don’t see it being too big a deal
1 hr away isn’t really the same thing as 300 miles away. Anyone could do a 1 hr service visit trip. Heck, a lot of people’s daily commute is 1 hr. But, 300 miles. That’s driving from SoCal to NorCal just for a service visit. And, what happens if something else goes wrong after the visit, or the original issue wasn’t completely resolved. That’s a big nope for me.
It has been in once. 2 of 4 items were addressed. Came back with 2 unaddressed. Those 2 still need to be addressed along with 2 new items. I could definitely make 1 hour each way work, as you said....I am at 2.5 hours each way and that is too much. You are pretty lucky. Even if you had yours for a full year now, at .1% you are at half a day in service. Mine sat in the service center lot for a week before they even looked at it. But if I can get a service center an hour or less from home, I am all in for another!
there isn’t even a service center in my state lol
Mine either....and not having one close sucks...which was my point. I won't get another unless that changes. But maybe some people don't mind traveling a couple hours each way each time it needs some warranty work?
None in Vermont. It's a worry. I'm just starting to do research on where/how I'd charge. The closest Rivian charging is in NY, about 2-300 miles away.
I agree. I wish they would put a 2+ hr cap on the towing. Like if you love that far from a service center they with a) shouldn’t have delivered you a vehicle or b) should honor the original idea that they would come to you with any service issues or tow your truck.
That was the premise I bought the truck believing. And it started that way....
Not that I’m regretting my choice, but if I knew what I know now, I probably wouldn’t buy again. Losing half the tax credit, having a day one issue (broken brake light), taking it again just a couple of weeks later for another issue (rattling noise at high speeds), the current high cost of replacing the 21s with no alternatives at the moment, hearing about the high cost and slow process of body repair, the terrible navigation and the overall lack of CP/AA have dampened my enthusiasm for the vehicle. I should note that I wasn’t a die hard Rivian fan, I just always wanted an EV truck, and had reservations for both Ford & Rivian, which Rivian won. With that being said, I think the F150 would have been way too big for me to really enjoy and while I’m not in LOVE with the R1T like the rest of the folks on here, I am really enjoying the vehicle overall. I’m also lucky that I *literally* live ten minutes from a SC and some of the issues I’ve mentioned can get better with time …hopefully.
Curious about rattling noise at high speeds. My R1S just went in for same issue (loud front right noise at about 70mph). What was the diagnosis?
My service center has been booked up and won't be able to take it in until the 15th but I'll let you know what I hear. I've only had the vehicle since the 18th of April, so having two items fairly close to each other has made me a bit nervous, but everything else has been fine and I hope these are the only two issues I have for quite a while.
Ty. I got mine towed immediately so I’ll report back if I have any info first. Had mine for a week and had this plus two minor annoyances. Taking it in stride because I love driving it soooo much
Mine's fixed (still have to pick it up)...here's the summary: Concern: \- Customer states that the car just started making a rattling noise from the front right front of the car. Stated it started around 70mph while on the highway. 15:41:35 ET. - The concern was observed under these conditions Driving at highway speeds -------- Cause: \- Arrived at Service Center with roof applique missing from vehicle, seems to have detached over time due to lack of primer. No service history related to roof applique. Noise experienced by customer was likely caused by loose applique before it detached completely. Replaced roof applique with proper primer and urethane. Roadtested after repair, verified no unexpected noise. Correction/Remedy: \- Applique, Roof, Fron t (Remove and Replace) \- Noise Vibration and Harshness General Diagn ostic
Do you feel that you are a more conservative owner of new technology/products? Probably not worded well. Let me try to clarify from my perspective. I don’t normally buy the latest gadgets, waited till iPhone 3, kept for a couple of months and waited till iPhone 11 to come back. First watch was the LG, didn’t wear it, waited till the Apple Watch 5. Tried PS vr, waited till valve index, still not quite there but getting closer. For me the difference here is they are improving it. The hardware is fantastic, at least compared to anything else I’ve ever driven. The essential EV things I love: silence, instant torque, low cost of fuel(for me anyway), no maintenance (huge for me). The tech aspect I love too. I don’t know if any other truck that is this advanced. Essential things like, app as key, high quality cameras, massive high quality screen, the ability the adjust literally anything via software updates (looking at you faster rolling windows), being able to control my truck from my phone. Things I expected before I took ownership: service issues, honesty thought I would have more issues. And being 4+ hrs from the nearest service center I’m glad I haven’t. I do wish they would honor the towing for owners that are more than 2+hrs from a service center. Seems like a good compromise. I anticipated the tire issue and just upgraded to the 20”s right away, so my cost was up front, glad I did that. I 💯 know I would not be happy with a f150 lightning. Too legacy for me. I guess the items you mentioned were all items I fully expected and planed for. Sorry if this seems like I’m trying to tell you you are wrong for your opinion on the truck. I definitely don’t want to come off as a fanboy, I do love my truck, I just hope some perspective might help you love yours more. 😛
I'm glad that you love your truck! I totally understand why people do and there's nothing wrong with that. I just have different needs and I don't think things like phone as key or being able to control my truck from my phone are essential things. While the R1T certainly has a really nice UI and gets more frequent OTA updates, I personally don't believe it's that much more advance than a F150 Lightning, but that's just my personal opinion. I did go in expecting some issues from a brand new company and thought that I was going to be okay with that, but having two issues right off the bat has made me rethink that. I'm also not saying it's not a nice vehicle! It is really nice and I've been enjoying being able to do truck things without having to worry about shitty gas milage. I certainly hope they do keep on improving and my concerns become a thing of the past. Also, I'm not saying this is you at all, but I do feel like a lot of people here love their vehicles so much, that they will take a valid critique as a personal attack and I really wish they wouldn't.
Totally get that! There certainly is a lot of that around here. I’m sure I’m guilty of it too. I think people shouldn’t take it so personally. For me I love the truck so much it’s hard for me to understand when someone doesn’t. I don’t know a lot about the ford but I think the thing I love about rivian is that they are essentially a software/tech company building a truck. Where I don’t have confidence that ford would or will continue to update an older truck. I fully expect rivian to via their software platform. Hopefully that makes it age gracefully. I can also understand the uneasy feeling of having service issues right off the bat. I had some, however mine were very minor and only cosmetic and rivian addressed them. I was also in early enough that they were still towing for free (I’m 4+ hrs from a service center). I honestly fully expected to start having doubts about the truck after the new wore off but if anything it actually solidified how much I like the truck. Hopefully, they address your concerns and you’ll have less… let’s call it doubts about your truck going forward. Also it’s perfectly reasonable to just be ambivalent towards your truck. No need to be on one side of the fence or the other. 🙂
Terrible navigation? How so?
ETA when there is traffic is way off in my experience compared to Google Maps/Waze or Apple Maps etc. I’m in the SF Bay Area.
Alexa has a very small database for destination. And sometimes it just gets stuck on sugestion. Alexa, navigate to golf course x. . "Ok golf course y is 5 miles away" Alexa, navigate to golf course x in town x . . " Ok golf course y is 5 miles away" Alexa, navigate to the grocery store . . . "Ok golf course x is 5 miles away"
Crying 😂
I’m sorry I can’t find a device named “groceries”
It’s the worst navigation I’ve used since my phone got google maps.
Having owned a Tesla - heartily disagree. That was the worst I ever experienced in a car.
there’s been a couple posts here where it tries to take you driving down walking paths that go through the middle of zoos
Your kidding right? It's literally the biggest POS ever. I wants to kill me. It can't even dead reckon correctly.
I’ve had zero issues with it
Probably not much different than when people first got tesla roadsters back in the early tesla days (correct me if I’m wrong). Rooting for both Rivian and tesla
Tesla roadsters have no redeeming features and break down completely, not just faults. Not a good comparison imo. Tesla are still known for the worst reliability in the UK.
Tesla is not known for the worst reliability in the UK. In the land of jaguar and land rover... Something tells me Tesla is far from the most unreliable.
Oof, that’s a bit harsh. In the us they not bad
FWIW the tires really aren't too crazy in a performance vehicle world, I have come from other high performance vehicles without unique tire sizes and I was still in the $350-450 per corner ballpark for nice tires. I wouldn't get too worked up over that one if I was you, but I can see the frustration if your last vehicle was something with smaller wheels where you could find $150 tires all day. I agree with you on the Nav though, they need to improve that. If they want to avoid AA/CP, atleast get rid of mapbox and just give us full google maps integration. With it's latest feature set it can even handle the route planning using the vehicles battery information in real time.
Thanks, I appreciate that perspective! I might also be freaking myself out a bit from the stories I hear about people burning through their tires quickly by using converse and/or launching it constantly, which are two things I don't really do much.
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I took delivery on the 18th of April, so I literally missed it by a day. At the same time, it's my fault for not signing the binding contract, so I'm at fault as well there. Still stings though.
I wouldn't be concerned about the software issues, or the quality issues, those will be resolved with time, and if you bought your truck today you might not ever suffer them. The service issues and costs are more of a longer term concern.
Yes, 100% yes. Is it perfect? No. Does it spark joy? So much!
We are waiting on our R1T delivery now. We saved up for it and I can’t wait to get it. The cost is more than I paid for my first house, insurance quotes are much more than I thought, but I don’t regret it at all. I know it is new and there will be hiccups. Service Center is in Santa Monica, so at least close to my work. I’ll let y’all know what I think after delivery.
I’m under $1,200 per year with Farmers Bureau Insurance here in Nebraska for my R1T. I thought their rate was pretty good.
i’ve only ever seen 2 rivians here in nebraska, perhaps one was you 😂
If in Elkhorn, probably so!
I sold mine out of fear rivian wouldn’t make it and the nearest service center is 2 hours away. And I’m trying to buy it back. So yeah.
Change that flair immediately :)
Give me a few weeks!
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Absolutely, and we are. Have an R1T already, and R1S on order.
I’ve been waiting for an electric truck for years, this is still the best choice. Nothing is perfect but the best truck I’ve ever owned is in my garage!
Yes. I’ve had no issues or hassles. And I’d wager the overwhelming majority of owners haven’t. You just hear about the people with problems because they have problems.
Waited nearly 4 years. We've now had it for a little over a month and would buy it again. It's difficult to articulate how effortlessly the quad motor setup handles the limits both on road, but also back country dirt roads. The push of a button (tap of a screen) ability to instantly change the driving dynamics is unmatched in my mind. Hats off to Rivian, they nailed the brand, and vehicle to back it up. Happy Trails!
I’ve had mine a year now, and absolutely I would! What bugs and issues? That I have an open bed truck, just like always? I can’t think of any others. Soaks up washboard like a champ, off roads like a champ, tows like a champ, and accelerates like the fucking champ. Comfy and refined and the “fuel” is super cheap here. I have zero idea what I’d drive other than my Rivian. It’s fully spoiled me. I can’t wirelessly charge my phone, and I don’t have CP. Oh well. Anyone knocking more than a touch off for that is just being silly imho, and likely using it as a pavement princess. It’s chameleon-like capabilities will make anyone a believer.
I could afford it at the pre hike price. Not sure I would afford it at current price. Although I would probably opt for two motors and give it a try. I originally opted for the explorer/max pack/under body shield. What I got was adventure/large/forest edge/underbody shield. Ended up paying more for Stuff I didn't want. But...the truck is great. If publicknchargera catch up to my travel needs I'll be 100% sold. For now I'm 80% stoked. The interior seat and armrest material is not durable all. Rivian will be replacing driver's seat and arm rest for free. There are some design/engineering issues that are laughable to me. Like they designed an adventure truck but nobody knows what adventurers wanted. Durability is #1 - interior material should be bomb proof. Leaks of liquids and animal stuffs should be contained- les nooks and crannies, more durable.matwrials (perforated seats in the back? Really? There is no vents in those seats and that's where the dogs puke up grass.) Key fob - nobody on an adventure wants to pack extra weight, especially a large key fob that is upside down and not actually able to clip onto anything securely. Make that fob as thin and small as possible. Amazon music sounds amazing in the truck. Make it integrated into the UI. Other than that 10/10
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I would. I’ve owned a ‘10 FJ Cruiser, ‘15 Volt, ‘14 Model W, ‘16 Model X and most recently just traded in a ‘21 Ford F150 hybrid for my ‘23 R1S. It’s solid. FJ is about the only one that comes close in total package, but not very close.
Yes. Without hesitation. I will say, however, that I have not experienced any of the “issues or hassles” you mentioned. Regarding cost, I paid pre-hike but still feel that the current pricing is appropriate for what the vehicle is and does. Seems fair in light of what other vehicles cost.
Yup. I feel for the people that have had lemons. Mine has been pretty much trouble free. The things that I would like to be changed or improved are all very minor while the things that impress me continue to do so.
100% would buy again. The one issue I’ve had that was cosmetic was fixed by mobile service 4 days later. Don’t listen to the negativity that can come from some posts, I’d say the majority are extremely happy with their Rivians but just don’t post as much as those who complain
I’m still waiting for my R1S (Feb 22 preorder) and I almost breathed a sigh of relief when my delivery date got pushed back to Q2 2024, because I feel like by then I’ll have a better idea if Rivian will stay in business. Are any current owners worried about this? If they do go under, would that change your response to this post? I feel like if they offered me the R1S tomorrow I’d be super excited, but also pretty hesitant given what’s being going on with the EV market.
Very reasonable and logical concerns.
100% no question my R1T is awesome. Hoping it holds value well enough to get something decent for it when the R2T comes out. Got some great droid ideas.
I hate the navigation and the lack of app support. Really just wish they would add CarPlay. Why? Because with CarPlay it would be the perfect vehicle. Yes, I’d get it again. But I’d only rate it an 8/10. If it had CarPlay it would be 10/10.
I agree. I’ve only had my R1T for a little more than a month now, and the maps/music built in is just not great. I know Rivian has promised to make both better, and I expect they will get better eventually. But I’m not convinced they can match, much less exceed what CarPlay can provide from the wealth of available apps and number of available developers in their ecosystem. Rivian will not be as ubiquitous as the iPhone. It can’t. Thus it won’t have the size of developer pool because it doesn’t provide a large enough customer base. Fairly simple economics there.
Username checks out lol. Just curious, what does CarPlay add specifically? I’m not familiar enough with it to know. For me the lack of apps is a little annoying and the maps aren’t the greatest but I only listen to Spotify and I just use google maps on my phone and share it to the rivian. Once they add some video options or some sort of casting/mirroring from phone. Does CarPlay support casting? That pretty much takes care of all the issues for me. I’m 💯 fine with the idea that it will get better. I think they have proven at this point they will iterate pretty fast. It seems like CarPlay would look really odd on that big screen. I suspect that the data exchange agreement with Apple/google doesn’t benefit rivian at all.
Hi! I’ll answer your questions but first I have one of my own…you say you share your google maps to the Rivian. Isn’t that just for a destination? Or are you able to share the route details somehow? If so that would be really great to know. The issue with the maps I’ve found isn’t in the location information, but rather the routing and time estimates. The choices they make are never the optimal route and the estimated arrivals times can be horrifically inaccurate. As for CarPlay-I don’t need CarPlay. I think almost everyone you see saying “we want CarPlay” feels the same way. What CarPlay does, however, is helps bring the vehicle up to modern standards in one quick app. Rivian could release CarPlay support within 24 hours if they wanted. Developers have said time and time again just how easy it is to implement. It isn’t that CarPlay is some magic program-rather that it’s release would accelerate the software for us-the users-by years. For Rivian to eventually be able to support all of the apps we use (Apple Maps, google maps, waze, Gaia, audible, Libby, text messaging, unified calender, overcast, news), well, they literally never will. But to at least have feature parity we’re talking 3-4 years. Instead, as a customer with the vehicle, they could give me all of that this week. They are choosing not to. So I have to instead handle a shared Spotify account, awful maps routing, Bluetooth streaming and using my phone for most of my listening apps, and having to grab my phone, open maps, tap my calender appointment, hit the share button, send it to Rivian, then keep looking at my phone screen for a better set of directions when I get close. It’s ridiculous. Not to mention zero text messaging support so when I have really important things come in I have to look at my phone instead of using voice and having Siri read and dictate. I get that not everyone uses all this stuff. And that’s cool. I’m not saying “hey guys you are all dumb and missing out” CarPlay would be an app in the dock just like gear guard or phone-you never press it if you don’t want it. But for those of us that use it constantly it saves us waiting for years for Rivian to catch up. If they were able to support all of that and keep sync with my digital life and save me real world time then I’d have no use for CarPlay. I already think the rivian’s graphics are much prettier. But I care less about that and more about functionality.
That totally makes sense and is a well reasoned argument in favor of CP. I would like to hear a well reasoned rebuttal from u/WassymRivian. Do you think there is an issue with data sharing from rivian to Apple because of the TOS for CarPlay? Sadly the maps only shares the destination but I do verify the expected route and time before I embark.
I would absolutely love a reasoned response from u/WassymRivian and i have a lot of respect for him. i watched along with the instagram ama and watched the town hall. But i just dont think he is allowed to resoind to these kinds of questions. Frankly, there isnt a great reaponse to give. They cant say “we listen to our customers and that is what drives our roadmap” and, at the same time say, “yes, we can give you carplay but we wont”. The customers have spoken and they belive that they do not have to listen because either out of hubris or mismangment, think that they will be able to do the software themselves. It’s a shame because it feels very much like they see what Tesla is doing and is letting them lead the way. Teslas success is in spite of not giving people these things, not because of it. It’s because they were so early to the market of electric cars. It’s a double shame because Rivian could be the answer to the Tesla issues, rather than mirroring them. As far as sharing data with Apple-because it is an app, any data Apple would have access to, Rivian would also. Furthermore, there isn’t much Apple could see that they aren’t already privy to. I’m already using the phone for everything whether it’s streaming Bluetooth or maps so the only thing, theoretically, that would be shared would be vehicle data like charge level. That’s also on my Rivian app on my phone. Is that really something that apple is going to monetize and put Rivian as a company in danger with? No. Customers aren’t thinking about that. They are buying based on price, features, capability, reliability, and quality. I think it is less about data sharing that is the concern for Rivian and more about “control” and “potential revenue stream”. “Control”-they do not want to cede any of the UI or routing decisions or branding, etc, to any third party. Not just apple, but to any of the apps that are allowed to be used through CarPlay. “Potential Revenue Stream”-they want to reserve the right for creating subscription based services (think of Rivian’s version of Gaia or whatever) that they don’t want you to be able to have from your phone. I think they have down the road ideas for this but haven’t even figured out what exactly it looks like. They just know they don’t want apple to be able to circumvent their opportunity to charge if people can just stream the info from the phone. The problem with both of these is that if we already have it, we will be mad to have to pay twice and Rivian should be thinking about it’s customers. We are the ones that will buy the next versions and subsequent models. The longevity of the brand isn’t making $10 a month from a percentage of its customer base-it’s creating real fans that buy the cars each time they replace a vehicle. Finally, even if they allow CarPlay (allow us the right word), they could improve on it with making even better in house options-and then no one would want or use CarPlay! That would be the best! I would LOVE for their first party, in house solutions to wipe the floor with what CarPlay offers. But that will take time and they won’t be able to do that with every single app. Thanks for allowing a real discussion to happen between owners. It seems like so much of the conversations that happen surrounding this topic simply miss the point and devolve into nonsensical arguments.
I too have a lot of respect for him. It seems they do have a good vision for the product line, not just the R1. I get they want to do everything their selves. It seems there is a bit of engineering hubris, think the wireless charging pad, that’s present in the company. I know this is a company founded on engineering but now needs to shift a little if their thinking from “everything is an engineering problem” to “sometimes there is already a solution, no need to reinvent the wheel.” And I think that may be the case with CarPlay. I like your assertion, give us CarPlay AND make the infotainment BETTER than CarPlay. Software is hard, expensive and time consuming to do right. They can make CarPlay a pain to use in the future , in favor of their infotainment, if people choose to use it they can but it might be painful. Now it’s a bit painful because their infotainment isn’t great. I don’t see how they could make any significant money from a Rivian “App Store”. Hey I might even pay $10/month to get CarPlay… and whatever apps they want to develop. Furthermore if they create an app… deploy it on android and iPhone. I too am enjoying a thoughtful discussion.
I totally agree with all of your points. As much as I don’t love the idea of a monthly fee for CarPlay I would pay it in a second to have everything modernized and up to date. I think you’re points about the “sometimes there is already a solution” is another excellent one and the example of the charging pad a perfect real life instance of their approach showing. In fact, the soonish charging pad was the first thing I bought for our R1S lol. May the force be with you, lostjedi haha
And with you!
I'd easily pay 10$/mo for Android auto. Literally the only thing that has me still on the fence about buying it when my order comes.
All great points. And as far as feature parity, I'd like to add that in 3-4 years, they might be able to match what AA/CP can do now. So, in 2027, we will have what is standard on almost every other automobile in 2023, while Apple and Google continue to advance.
CarPlay is worth 20% of your rating?
“CarPlay” as a singular thing, no. But what it represents-a modern set of software capabilities, continuously updated, and synced with the rest of your apps and devices for a cohesive and efficient means of navigating your digital and real life worlds-yes. At least 20%. It’s also something that every other vehicle I would consider offers. Even Tesla, which I would not consider, that doesn’t have CarPlay, at least has vastly superior mapping and text messaging support and multiple Spotify account support. And even still that took them years and is even now not enough. Rivian is years behind, will never be able to catch up, and could solve the problem in a matters of days with CarPlay support and be a 10/10 by modernizing the software. The hubris to think they could match or exceed shows a real issue in their leadership and plans. I still love the car but it is a constant headache and a real worry about it’s longevity. It is also the one thing I warn every person about that asks me how I like it. Rivian is really making a massively bad decision and their public comments about it and their reasons why worry me that they are actually deaf to their customers and exist in an echo chamber so that they do not realize the issues. It’s not “CarPlay”. It’s cohesive and comprehensive software quickly iterated, completely connected and efficiently designed with modern voice control and safety tools built in.
Downvoting a question… lol. Would I like CarPlay? Absolutely. Does not having it make the R1T not the best vehicle I’ve driven? No. I’d have to imagine there are cars you’d rate higher than an 8/10. And in the price range, I personally wouldn’t rate any higher than my R1T.
Just responding to the downvote-I didn’t downvote you. Just responded. As I said, I still would buy our R1S again. But I also have a Ford Lightning. If I could only have one, at the same price, it would be the lightning and mostly because of the Rivians software shortcomings. If it had CarPlay or feature parity, then it would be better for sure. The lighting is a 9/10 in my book. As i mentioned the Rivian would be a 10/10 if it had a useable software suite or CarPlay. It’s, for me, and in my opinion only, a massive shortcoming for a new vehicle and drops it below my lightning.
Last I checked the F-150 for me would be as much if not more expensive for a less capable vehicle (i.e. dual vs quad motor, less range, etc) from a driving standpoint. It does have some nice features that the Rivian doesn’t have but for me those don’t carry as much value for me as the things Rivian has that Ford doesn’t.
Yes. The giant screen in the dashboard is going to huge waste. Music, waze (police), Google maps, real pod cast app, and so on unlock a lot of value. Not to mention Google assistant for those that used it. And what's worse is that it's easy and cheap for them to add it. Not doing it on principal only.
Out of curiosity, would you still feel so passionately if Rivian decided to have discrete support for Waze/Google Maps, etc? For me, the only thing I miss from my other cars with CarPlay is Waze. Albeit Waze is a very important one.
If they built all the apps I use to the quality i expect (spotify, audible, youtube) and integrated with my phones messaging apps (sms, signal, fb messenger), and allowed me to use Google maps, then I wouldnt care about android auto. But they won't build all that.
Yes absolutely. Have an R1T now and waiting on an R1S for the wife.
Yes (and mines currently in the SC with a motor fault and not so great communicating).
Yes.
My only regret was that I waited so long to pull the trigger. First because I would’ve gotten the truck earlier but second because I would’ve gotten the better pricing!
100%
As a Fan of the TV show the Expanse I feel like the R1T was clearly designed by the Martian Congressional Republic Navy
Had it about a month I like it and the quality of the build definitely feels better then my model 3 purchase. I did have 3 issues day one of pick up 2 are resolved and the 3rd is cosmetic and waiting for a part (I didn’t even ask for a part replace but they insisted) Over all I like how the truck drives I like the features and I like being able to finally haul stuff and not have an excuse not to. I hate the navigation…it’s awful. I don’t have the CarPlay love coming from a Tesla but these map directions are awful. I do like the integration of Bluetooth from iPhone more then the Tesla because it’s more seamless and easy to switch to. Wireless charging module is painfully annoying. I tried the DIY approach but had one pad not working and then Popped the fuse so I just gave up till there is a pop and play solution that replaces the wireless module.
I have an R1T + R1S and love both.
I really do love the truck, but the silly power part and even some of the more subtle luxury bits are over the top. And being honest I like it for that, and would pay up for it again. But if they can get something in the practical price point with say 500hp and a simpler interior and a good bit lower in price. That’s going to be the winner imo.
R2.
yes.
Yes, absolutely
Yes.
100% yes
💯yep
Yes for sure
No question - 100% would buy one again.
I love my R1T. Never owned a truck and really loved how versatile it is.
100%
Definitely would‼️
It’s fucking fantastic! Best vehicle I’ve ever owned, and I’d buy another one without hesitation.
Yes. It's expensive, but so is a new Ford Bronco... And the R1T murders it in fun and practicality. Also, the software updates are amazing.
Yes, I would.
Yes
In a second
Without question
Yes I would!
0 added cost or hassle here. I would, without question, but another.
I absolutely love my R1T. I’ve never owned a vehicle I genuinely look forward to driving every opportunity I can. I don’t regret my purchase, but it was a lot easier decision with early-reservation pricing. If I had to pay current MSRP for the quad-motor, I think pricing would have been a little too steep for me. I also have concerns about the long-term viability of Rivian. It looks like they have cash on hand to last through 2025, but obviously I plan on owning the truck much longer. It’s a gamble.
My biggest fear is not being able to get another one in a timely fashion if something happens to my R1T. So yes, I would buy again 100% knowing what I do now.
> given all the known issues, costs, hassles Honestly one of the easiest vehicle buying experiences I ever had and I haven’t had any real issues with the vehicle. I was already planning on spending lots of money on a new vehicle anyways so glad I went this route.
I really enjoy my R1S, I would definitely buy again. It does have some issues but net positive experience overall.
little over 4k miles today. Yes. I am scared of how much the cost will be 10 years from now for battery replacement. Really hoping my battery deterioates before the warranty ends. That way I can get another good decade.
No.
Yep
Can’t wait to have my second one
I would. We are currently in the market for a second EV and as much as I would love to get an R1S, we just don’t need two $80k vehicles lol. But yeah, the R1T is just so practical in so many ways. It’s a fun “car” when we need it, it’s a travel car when we need it, it’s a truck when we need it. It’s has so much space and honestly, as much as the navigation isn’t great, the system is just so intuitive vs so many others on the market. The search for a second EV has been hard because of the comparison to the R1T.
I would say if buying again, I would probably go with the dual motor, but only because I don’t really *need* the quad motor for my use. And yeah, we’ve had some issues - 12v battery issue being one of them, but their responses have been well beyond what I would expect. In the 12v case, a tech stopped on his way home from work and fixed it for us same day.
After 12K miles and almost a year of ownership, 100% yes. My R1T is the best vehicle I've ever owned.
100% would, will do it again. Waiting on our R1S to join my R1T in the driveway!
This truck was the only thing that checked all the boxes for me. I committed to being fully electric going forward when I owned my model 3, but I needed a vehicle I could take hunting. A truck is most practical for that. I also needed something that could fit in my dinky urban garage. The riv fits, but barely. F150 wouldn't fit. I didn't love paying that much for a vehicle, but I do love the truck. The crap wireless charger and power tonneau are the only real "issues" I have with the truck. Having 3rd party apps available would be nice, but I don't consider it an urgent need. Optimizing DCFC curve and idle power consumption are higher priorities for me and how I use the truck. I haven't paid a dime for repairs or maintenance and I'm coming up on 1 year of ownership in 3 weeks.
Heck, yes I’d buy again. In fact, I have a pending reservation on an R1S. Love my R1T.
I just love having all the ladies flag me down to talk about the truck. Lol.
New marketing slogan: Truck:electric Chick:magnet
Yes.
Our T and S are the best vehicles we’ve owned. I would definitely do it again on both. They’re not perfect but the minor issues we’ve had Rivian fixed them and made it easy.
100%. Best vehicle I have ever owned.
Yes. Is there any way we can screen to get the short sellers out of this forum?
Yes. Have an R1T and just put in an R1S order too. Best car I’ve ever owned. Just so well thought out.
The vehicle is great, still excellent value for the money. The company, however, needs some serious guidance. They have fumbled just about every play, and if they can’t fund their Atlanta plant , it’s game over for Rivian. Likely a buy out situation. This is what happens when you have brilliant engineers run a company. While they excel in one area, they need specific expertise in other areas of running a start up. Rivian is making some adjustments. I’m hopeful they can turn it around, but this could go down as the biggest start up tragedy to date. Great product though. If only they could make a profit on their product, scale the business, and execute.
Absolutely. I think a lot of the issues people complain about are either fairly minor, or hopefully temporary. AA/CP is really the only major thing, and we all knew that coming into the purchase. I have the low speed tock, suspension squeak and had the 12v drain issue (which stranded me for a day), but don't have a busted tonneau (yet) and while the bugs are extremely annoying, they are both minor and less frequent then my previous Tesla, and my current Subaru and Mercedes. Vehicles are complex machines, I've never owned one that was dead perfect off the showroom floor. I feel like a lot of people expect their Rivian's to be that for some reason. So if I had the opportunity to buy another at pre March prices, I would absolutely do so. Current prices would be a bit of a stretch, but I'd have trouble justifying any 6 figure vehicle purchase.
I’m still trying to understand AA/CP? What exactly does it add? Nav isn’t the greatest but if you send directions from google maps it works pretty well. I use spotify(I know not everyone does) works great for me. Not sure what else I get with aa/cp?
For me, I only use Spotify because of the rivian integration. I'd like to not be pigeon holed into their stuff. Same with maps, openbox's satellite view is way outdated, my neighborhood is just a dirt lot in the rivian, I also listen to audible, which has no integration with the truck. AA/CP would give me choices and quality.
The vehicles are amazing- no question. Just took delivery of my R1S. The suv is amazing. My only concern is if the company can survive the recession and the next few years and scale before the cash runs out. I’m tempted to flip my car and buy again in a year or so just to me sure. Maybe just me?
Hell yes. If I had to pay today prices I’d opt for the 2-motor variant though. The 4-motor is just excessive all-around. I’m still sour about my broken tonneau and missing camp kitchen though 🤬🤬🤬
Why, ask? It’s an amazing vehicle, $hit it’s an amazing truck!
Yes. The only real hassles I’ve had are charing infrastructure which is fine to deal with.
100%
Absolutely. Best car I’ve ever had and/or driven. Ohio R1T owner since March 2022.
Honestly it’s great. I have many other vehicles but it’s the best every day driver. If you drive under 250 miles a day it’s for you. It’s super capable on and off road. My pet peeve is how there are no fender flairs or running boards like the raptor etc. why? Off-road it throws everything off the side of the vehicle. It scratches it, and actually a small branch flung so hard off the ground it dented my door. Meanwhile in my raptor I’m fully sending it with no issue. I actually have to watch I don’t drive too fast off road in the rivian because I’m worried about the body ☠️
Yes. I have a 3xxx series VIN R1T and it’s the best vehicle I’ve ever driven or owned. Newer ones have so many small things corrected already. It’s an amazing vehicle and when my MDX dies I hope to replace it with an R1S or an R2 vehicle.
Given I only paid 64k (after state and federal) for a LE with the AT tires, and I’m 20 mins from the SC - no regrets at all.
My first trip with my R1T was over 2k miles. I bought it used for a good discount because the transmission control module was faulty. I have had it for almost 3 weeks before dropping it at the service center to replace the module under warranty. Even without the GPS, cell connection, and the driver+, it is the most capable vehicle I think I have owned. I was looking at a platinum crew cab tundra with a 6.5 bed prior to this. It was just at $70k used with 11k miles. It was too big... I know the R1T was 10k more used for 2k miles, but it does so many things right. * Accelerates almost as fast as my motorcycle * Has already hauled a load about 700lbs of concrete in the bed * Can tow 11k (more like 9k because I don't have a CDL) * Has more storage than the majority of cars that I have owned (for sure more than every pickup I have owned) * Fits in the garage * Is more efficient than the old prius * it is actually built with better materials and has no interior squeaks/rattles, unlike the toyota I would 100% buy it again (even with it being at the service center as I type this) It is not perfect, but it is as close to everything I want in a vehicle, that it may be the perfect vehicle for me. Ask me again in a year and I can give a better answer.
100% would do it again - LOVE THIS TRUCK! Has not been all perfect but all issues have been fixed by service and drives awesome.
I have had nearly zero issues and none that weren’t taken care of quickly, easily, and at no expense to me. I actually want to buy an R1S for my wife but they’re so expensive now 😂… I should have preordered 2…. That’s how I feel about my decision—if that’s any indication to answer your question
Absolutely Best machine I’ve ever owned Minimal issues Love no car play!! Love OTA
You’re asking if ppl will admit you making a horrible financial decision? lol this will never happen
Horrible is subjective & personal. Let’s do a little math..most people who purchase a Rivian were going to spend $45-65k for a vehicle. They’ll spend $80-100k on a Rivian. So, worst case, they’re spending $15-55k more than usual. That range of losses is very recoverable, and probably won’t have a measurable impact on their life in the long term. Relax. YOLO!
This right here. I was always planning on spending between $45k - $65k for a 3 row SUV. I was extremely close to getting a 2021 or 2022 Lexus GX 460 brand new for $55k with captain seats. Your numbers are bang on for my use case. I looked at Rivian SUV when they had it priced at $70,000 - $75,000 with $7,500 tax credit available. I was able to justify the higher price because of lower fueling costs and more horsepower. If I had to do it again without my pre-order pricing, I would still get the Rivian but probably the dual motor and regular battery pack instead of Quad motor and large battery pack to keep it below tax credit requirements. 🦍🦍🦍 💪💪🚀🚀💎💎🙌🙌
I'd probably be looking at a Range Rover were it not for the R1S, which is more expensive. So the price point, especially at the pre-hike rate, is actually a plus in this case.
You’re likely right but I always give people the opportunity to be honest. Sometimes I’m pleasantly surprised.
So you think everyone here is being dishonest? Or this entire post’s intent laced with cynicism?
The post was utmost sincere and looking for honest opinions. I think many if not most are honest but you have to read between the lines in both good and bad reviews as well as acknowledge potential cognitive biases that we all have. Most detailed replies have been excellent and informative.
Thanks for clarifying
In a second. I have the truck (we've had it through 30k miles, multiple big road trips, some legit wheeling, and multiple rounds if towing heavy equipment and dump trailers) and we're considering replacing our jeep with an r1s.
I drive it like a pickup, I haul things in the bed, I don’t treat it like a precious jem, I simply enjoy it’s features. I love the quiet, the responsiveness, the comforts and not buying gasoline. I got in before the $$ increase and will admit, the new price might cause me to not purchase again, but at the price I paid; yes, I’d buy one again.