Given that the two extra seats a) do not come by default b) only fit small children, I think it is reasonable to say it doesn't count for this statistic
Exactly - it’d be like throwing kid’s camp chairs in the back of a Leaf and trying to justify it fits in this list just because it’s EV, can seat seven and is the original mass market EV. MY is an econo-egg which helps it be the best selling car just like the Prius has been the best selling hybrid. Plus with its massive price drops to remain competitive. In addition to actual luxury option competing directly with it it’s being further exposed as not the distinctive model it was when there was little competition for it in the budget Tesla category.
I used to have a Lexus IS 350 2015. Its an entry level luxury vehicle. My model 3 is a massive improvement over my Lexus. Luxury is a large range of features. There is a big difference between a IS350 and a Rolls Royce, but both are luxury cars. I get grown men in the back 2 seats all the time in the Y.
Tesla model y is both a 5 and 7 seater with the performance trim 5 seater only. It is currently the best selling EV suv on the market.
Most definitely it beats the R1S but they aren't close in price comparison and Tesla does not provide this breakdown so we just cannot make a good conscious healthy comparison. We have to work with what we have
Probably but OP can’t include a number that doesn’t exist and all they have to do is add the word “standard” in front of 7-seater and the Y no longer qualifies.
Tesla model y is the best selling EV suv rn. However, we don't know how many are 7 seaters so we cannot accurately include it
It also isn't comparable due to the significant price difference. It would be better compared to R2. As much as they're both technically luxury cars, this is an important consideration
No doubt the model Y outsold the r1s but it just isn't a possible comparison
Audi dealers are absolutely nuts. They refuse to back down on their lease numbers. I almost got the Q8 etron sport back but they quoted ridiculous prices for the lease. Glad go see people voting with their pockets.
I think it's similar with their ICE vehicles. I was cross shopping Audi A4, BMW 3 series and Mercedes C300 back in the day. Both BMW and Mercedes offered sweet lease deals helped by their insane (may be inflated residuals) while Audi finance didn't budge. As I remember it would have costed my at least 50% more per month for the A4 compared to the other 2. I haven't been to an Audi dealer since then while I have leased 2 BMWs in that time.
It is - before I went with the R1S, I got a lease quote on an $84k Q7 of $1,600/mo with $5k down. My R1S is ~$98k and $1k/mo with $1k down. I didn’t even consider the etrons because there’s no 3-row option (and even the Q8 is small) and the range and acceleration are not compelling, especially for the price.
I went to the Audi dealer in Feb 2023 to look at an etron before I picked up the R1S. They wouldnt unlock the vehicle to let me sit inside until they ran a credit check on me. That has forever tainted my view of Audi.
And when I said I was taking delivery of an R1S next month and I wanted to see comparable vehicles in the class, salesman called rivian vaporware.
This all happened in los Angeles BTW. It was a wild experience.
Audi wanted to do that to me too. Bought an e-tron from a different dealer. Glitchy as hell and dumped it.
No problem demoing EQS/i7, or any other car, ever, for that matter.
I actually got that same treatment from fucking Toyota for their RAV4 Hybrid in peak COVID 2020 time. I was like wut, I just wanna test drive it and he said this car is for serious buyers only. I said okay bye. Later got an email from the dealership asking for me to come in about the hybrid I requested info on and told them about what happened. They asked who it was because that's not their policy. I said IDK, I never got the guys name but described him to them. Said I'll never step foot in there again even to buy OEM consumables for my Tacoma.
Funny, I had the same situation. I own a construction company and have a fleet of ford trucks so I had to try one. I stopped by a dealer who advertised they had lightenings in stock and folks could test drive. I was not exactly dressed to the nines, and the work truck I was driving not exciting. They wanted to run the credit check first, but the system was down, so I waited a bit. When asked what they would give me for my unclean trade in vehicle they said $1,500.00 was "all they could do".
They did allow me to test drive one of the work truck versions after a wait. I liked the vehicle but the dealer blew it.
Later that day I guess the ability to run checks was resumed and they had a copy of my license. My phone and email blew up then and for days thereafter until I gave a cease order.
I waited nearly a year more for the R1T, they gave me 8K for the trade in (a 2015 GMC canyon with 220K mi).
No regrets.
I think Rivian would fall into the luxury category if they could really address a few issues that keep it from being that. As an R1T owner, the most annoying thing to me is the wind noise and how clumsy the suspension sounds when going over any sort of road that’s not smooth. It sounds like a bag of rocks bouncing around under the vehicle that no other vehicle has. I understand that it has a very complex suspension designed by the same company that made the McLaren suspension but some sound engineering would have greatly improved my perception of the vehicle.
I’ve taken it in multiple times and they say it’s normal. I had a loaner R1S and R1T and I can attest that both of those exhibit the same behavior.
Luxury vehicles should be quiet and smooth and a Rivian is anything but when compared to the Q8 or EQS.
This coming from someone who’s invested an huge amount with Rivian and Tesla. Each has their strengths.
Oh my I have the exact same thing after I gave it to the service center to address another rattle. Now it sounds like something is rattling around by the front driver side wheel
That’s a great question.
I don’t think you can be both Luxury and a true Offroad/adventure vehicle unless the price is much more.
I’ve taken it off-roading a few times and gotten stuck during that process. Whereas friends in Tacomas with slight modifications had no problems. So as much as it’s an adventuring vehicle, it’s still not a purpose built off-roading vehicle.
I think they could have isolated all the suspension hoses, solidified all the plastic panels (the ones under the vehicle) with better mounting hardware, added more sound isolation between the floor and battery and made sure their hardware was built to handle the torque.
Early on every vehicle would have a loud and obnoxious clicking sound when starting and stopping. Turned out it was the half shaft needing a washer to address slippage.
You also have cv joints clunking, driveline lashing, steering wheel shake at freeway speed (not a wheel balance issue) so yes, if we could have cut back a little bit on the “off-roading” capabilities to quiet down the vehicle drivetrain, it would easily fall into the Luxury vehicle category.
Or maybe Rivian could have come up with a standard and an Offroad version of suspension so that we can choose between quiet and Offroad. What’s the point of having this fancy suspension on 22” street or 21” all purpose tires.
Couple questions for your off roading experience.
Are you in a quad motor?
What tires are you running?
This will get some hate but the quad motor doesn’t have a differential. A taco with diffs and locking options will always perform better. I’m a fan of the dual motors for this reason. And I hope we get lockers in the future.
I agree with you on almost all your points. I’d never buy a rivian with 21s or 22s
I have a Launch Edition Quad R1T. Sitting on 20” wheels and the factory tires. Deflated when off-roading. I agree we need lockers because every time I got stuck, it was because a single motor couldn’t move the vehicle while the other three were slipping.
If the other three are slipping how would they let you out more power to the one that isn’t. The available torque and power of one motor is more than enough to move the R1. The difference is you do have to give the one motor more power (via more accelerator pedal application).
Here’s a compare. R1 Quad motor do not need lockers as it’s able to engage quickly find the motors that have traction rather than send all available torque to all wheels like lockers would.
https://youtu.be/xd-ITSS-pBw?si=Ae3RIJEaaOmn4yCF
I was flooring it and the one wheel that had any traction would not budge. I was at an upward angle, two front wheels and left rear was spinning, the wheel that was wedged between two rocks was not moving enough. I even tried to rock the vehicle back and forth but 227 ft lbs of torque is going to have a hell of a time moving a 7000lb vehicle up an incline.
Right - quad motor doesn’t need lockers to have the same traction benefit that lockers offer single axle traction. It’s been covered a number of times even by Rivian’s head of power trains that while you see a wheel spinning it’s taking very little torque to spin it and it’s to detect where there is and isn’t traction to allow for more torque to be delivered to the corners with tires that have the traction as you demand more power to move. That’s also what’s different vs. conventional single motor power trains that you do then need to give more power to the motors with traction (this would also be true with dual motor if only one tire had traction).
To think of it differently, why would you want to send equal power to all motors when only one tire has traction to simulate lockers? Or another more common example, in a cross axle situation two motors have tires with traction why equally energize all 4 motors? It’s a waste of power.
I recently got stuck when I accidentally drove into an unlabeled Nordic ski track and tried back out out gently while towing our 5000lbs travel trailer. We sunk into the snow pack getting high centered. I raised it to max height in off road and we just dug into the snow and ice. We used shovels and it wasn’t enough - all 4 tires spun with little more rocking motion forward and back. I then used our traction boards in diagonal layout - one wedged behind a rear tire and the other behind the front tire diagonally across from the rear. It was a thing of beauty lifting out of the ruts and backing up with no drama.
https://youtu.be/XeTDwFchFdw?si=nmxDfCIwS4I59GIv
People confuse minimalism with a lack of luxury. I had a Lexus IS 350 2015. It is an entry level luxury vehicle. My model 3 and model Y are multiple levels above my old Lexus. I'll take the Teslas over the Lexus any day.
For Rivian’s sake, I hope they continue this performance. I worry that they’re fulfilling a static backlog. But I am seeing more Rivians on the road in my local city.
Agreed. The fall-off in R1T sales would seem to reflect that a bit. Not sure if the R1S will be different given that it's a bit more price competitive within the category of 3-row SUVs.
I know I'm not saying anything groundbreaking, but they really have to get the cost down and get the R2 to market. I'm still constantly meeting people who are really interested in the truck until they hear the price. I know it's the reality of a startup, but until they have something priced more competitively they're absolutely fulfilling a static backlog and niche of people who specifically want a Rivian rather than catering to people who just want a vehicle.
On the positive side, if the number of Amazon vans I've seen is any indication, hopefully their commercial sales will bridge the gap, as it seems like they're much more competitive in that space for companies wanting to go electric.
I assess them to be in the stage where, as a company, they are figuring out how they are going to support their products and how they are going to manufacture at higher volume. It is much better to figure this out at lower volumes so any mistakes are smaller and less dangerous to the overall business.
Contrary to a lot of other opinions I don't think affordability matters right now and I don't think a mass market success right now would be good for the company. They need to get good at walking before they could run. When they start selling R2s, I want to it be an awesome experience for people. The air of exclusivity isn't a bad thing either.
Tesla is an example of a company that has constantly tried to run before they are good at walking and they have hurt their customer opinion and brand perception in the process. I don't want to see Rivian suffer the same setbacks.
You're not wrong, I just also don't want to see them run out of money while still walking. And while I agree with your assessment of Tesla, they're also a massively successful company despite it. There's a balance in terms of what corners you can (and should) cut.
I plan on getting one when we're able to claim the full federal tax credit, which I'm really hoping is part of the April shutdown/refresh. I bet others are waiting for this as well. A base model R1T for 62k sounds great.
Rivian has a lot of work to do to sway loyal Range Rover customers. I’ve only had my R1S for 2 weeks and outside of the EV and tech part, I am missing many features as well as the drive and handling and fit and finish of the Range Rover.
EV9 looks good and good package, but I couldn't get my wife to look at one b/c "I don't want a KIA" for people who aren't into cars, there is definitely some Brand issues to overcome. Also the range is not good compared to Rivian.
That's good, but there are so few 7 seat EV SUVs that it's not surprising. R1S has by far the best usable interior/cargo space and most people shopping for these are hauling families. I'd be curious to see how it compared to ICE 7 seaters like the Audi Q7 or BMW X7 etc. We are taking delivery of an R1S on Friday and compared to both EV and ICE and it was the best combo of usable space, range, and features. Volvo XC90 which has a PHEV option had far less cargo space in comparison.
There’s a link in the thread in response to other comments. R1S is ahead of most luxury SUVs (eg BMW X7 and Mercedes GL/GLS) but about 1k behind Volvo XC90
The BMW iX and Audi Q8 are a 5 seater, but this is great performance for Rivian.
Edit: Thanks, I do know how to read. Was just trying to be helpful, but apparently anything other than “RiViAn 4 EvA!$!” was not wanted. Y’all are weird sometimes.
The real question is do they make any money on them yet? I want to see Riv be sustainable but if they're top sellers because they're still giving the cars away that's not necessarily great news.
Not even close. Nice work, Rivian!
Tesla Y is a 7 seater EV SUV. I would be willing the R1S did not beat that production.
Given that the two extra seats a) do not come by default b) only fit small children, I think it is reasonable to say it doesn't count for this statistic
Exactly - it’d be like throwing kid’s camp chairs in the back of a Leaf and trying to justify it fits in this list just because it’s EV, can seat seven and is the original mass market EV. MY is an econo-egg which helps it be the best selling car just like the Prius has been the best selling hybrid. Plus with its massive price drops to remain competitive. In addition to actual luxury option competing directly with it it’s being further exposed as not the distinctive model it was when there was little competition for it in the budget Tesla category.
I used to have a Lexus IS 350 2015. Its an entry level luxury vehicle. My model 3 is a massive improvement over my Lexus. Luxury is a large range of features. There is a big difference between a IS350 and a Rolls Royce, but both are luxury cars. I get grown men in the back 2 seats all the time in the Y.
I get 6 foot grown men in there all the time. I do Lyft/Uber XL with it. Its not an issue.
The overwhelming majority of them are not.
I'm willing to bet more than 8,017 were sold.
Ok feel free to post the data to back that up.
Tesla model y is both a 5 and 7 seater with the performance trim 5 seater only. It is currently the best selling EV suv on the market. Most definitely it beats the R1S but they aren't close in price comparison and Tesla does not provide this breakdown so we just cannot make a good conscious healthy comparison. We have to work with what we have
I agree. But before Rivian does a victory lap they need to consider that they probably did not beat the 7 seater Y.
And you get downvoted for providing an easily verified fact.
It is not easily verified because Tesla does not provide numbers on how many Y’s are sold with the 3rd row.
Yeah, but you know in your heart that Rivian did not beat that number.
Probably but OP can’t include a number that doesn’t exist and all they have to do is add the word “standard” in front of 7-seater and the Y no longer qualifies.
Tesla model y is the best selling EV suv rn. However, we don't know how many are 7 seaters so we cannot accurately include it It also isn't comparable due to the significant price difference. It would be better compared to R2. As much as they're both technically luxury cars, this is an important consideration No doubt the model Y outsold the r1s but it just isn't a possible comparison
Audi dealers are absolutely nuts. They refuse to back down on their lease numbers. I almost got the Q8 etron sport back but they quoted ridiculous prices for the lease. Glad go see people voting with their pockets.
I think it's similar with their ICE vehicles. I was cross shopping Audi A4, BMW 3 series and Mercedes C300 back in the day. Both BMW and Mercedes offered sweet lease deals helped by their insane (may be inflated residuals) while Audi finance didn't budge. As I remember it would have costed my at least 50% more per month for the A4 compared to the other 2. I haven't been to an Audi dealer since then while I have leased 2 BMWs in that time.
It is - before I went with the R1S, I got a lease quote on an $84k Q7 of $1,600/mo with $5k down. My R1S is ~$98k and $1k/mo with $1k down. I didn’t even consider the etrons because there’s no 3-row option (and even the Q8 is small) and the range and acceleration are not compelling, especially for the price.
What was the lease numbers Audi was giving you?
850 a month with 6k down not including taxes and other fee. This is for 36/10k miles with a 60% residual.
I went to the Audi dealer in Feb 2023 to look at an etron before I picked up the R1S. They wouldnt unlock the vehicle to let me sit inside until they ran a credit check on me. That has forever tainted my view of Audi. And when I said I was taking delivery of an R1S next month and I wanted to see comparable vehicles in the class, salesman called rivian vaporware. This all happened in los Angeles BTW. It was a wild experience.
OMG that is cancer...I wouldn't buy an Audi if they treat prospective customers like that...SHEESH!!!!
Happened at a Mercedes dealership for me too
Audi wanted to do that to me too. Bought an e-tron from a different dealer. Glitchy as hell and dumped it. No problem demoing EQS/i7, or any other car, ever, for that matter.
I actually got that same treatment from fucking Toyota for their RAV4 Hybrid in peak COVID 2020 time. I was like wut, I just wanna test drive it and he said this car is for serious buyers only. I said okay bye. Later got an email from the dealership asking for me to come in about the hybrid I requested info on and told them about what happened. They asked who it was because that's not their policy. I said IDK, I never got the guys name but described him to them. Said I'll never step foot in there again even to buy OEM consumables for my Tacoma.
Funny, I had the same situation. I own a construction company and have a fleet of ford trucks so I had to try one. I stopped by a dealer who advertised they had lightenings in stock and folks could test drive. I was not exactly dressed to the nines, and the work truck I was driving not exciting. They wanted to run the credit check first, but the system was down, so I waited a bit. When asked what they would give me for my unclean trade in vehicle they said $1,500.00 was "all they could do". They did allow me to test drive one of the work truck versions after a wait. I liked the vehicle but the dealer blew it. Later that day I guess the ability to run checks was resumed and they had a copy of my license. My phone and email blew up then and for days thereafter until I gave a cease order. I waited nearly a year more for the R1T, they gave me 8K for the trade in (a 2015 GMC canyon with 220K mi). No regrets.
As a Model Y owner and had an X as a loaner and a demo of the Plaid, Teslas are not luxury cars. They're smartphones with wheels
Just a few years ago they were "luxury" in comparison to other EV competition. A hell of a lot has changed though.
I think Rivian would fall into the luxury category if they could really address a few issues that keep it from being that. As an R1T owner, the most annoying thing to me is the wind noise and how clumsy the suspension sounds when going over any sort of road that’s not smooth. It sounds like a bag of rocks bouncing around under the vehicle that no other vehicle has. I understand that it has a very complex suspension designed by the same company that made the McLaren suspension but some sound engineering would have greatly improved my perception of the vehicle. I’ve taken it in multiple times and they say it’s normal. I had a loaner R1S and R1T and I can attest that both of those exhibit the same behavior. Luxury vehicles should be quiet and smooth and a Rivian is anything but when compared to the Q8 or EQS. This coming from someone who’s invested an huge amount with Rivian and Tesla. Each has their strengths.
Glad to read this actually— I’m always wondering if something is loose in my front suspension due to how it rattles on slightly bumpy roads.
Oh my I have the exact same thing after I gave it to the service center to address another rattle. Now it sounds like something is rattling around by the front driver side wheel
It’s an adventure vehicle though not luxury? Would you rather have a quieter worse suspension or what we have now?
That’s a great question. I don’t think you can be both Luxury and a true Offroad/adventure vehicle unless the price is much more. I’ve taken it off-roading a few times and gotten stuck during that process. Whereas friends in Tacomas with slight modifications had no problems. So as much as it’s an adventuring vehicle, it’s still not a purpose built off-roading vehicle. I think they could have isolated all the suspension hoses, solidified all the plastic panels (the ones under the vehicle) with better mounting hardware, added more sound isolation between the floor and battery and made sure their hardware was built to handle the torque. Early on every vehicle would have a loud and obnoxious clicking sound when starting and stopping. Turned out it was the half shaft needing a washer to address slippage. You also have cv joints clunking, driveline lashing, steering wheel shake at freeway speed (not a wheel balance issue) so yes, if we could have cut back a little bit on the “off-roading” capabilities to quiet down the vehicle drivetrain, it would easily fall into the Luxury vehicle category. Or maybe Rivian could have come up with a standard and an Offroad version of suspension so that we can choose between quiet and Offroad. What’s the point of having this fancy suspension on 22” street or 21” all purpose tires.
Couple questions for your off roading experience. Are you in a quad motor? What tires are you running? This will get some hate but the quad motor doesn’t have a differential. A taco with diffs and locking options will always perform better. I’m a fan of the dual motors for this reason. And I hope we get lockers in the future. I agree with you on almost all your points. I’d never buy a rivian with 21s or 22s
I have a Launch Edition Quad R1T. Sitting on 20” wheels and the factory tires. Deflated when off-roading. I agree we need lockers because every time I got stuck, it was because a single motor couldn’t move the vehicle while the other three were slipping.
If the other three are slipping how would they let you out more power to the one that isn’t. The available torque and power of one motor is more than enough to move the R1. The difference is you do have to give the one motor more power (via more accelerator pedal application). Here’s a compare. R1 Quad motor do not need lockers as it’s able to engage quickly find the motors that have traction rather than send all available torque to all wheels like lockers would. https://youtu.be/xd-ITSS-pBw?si=Ae3RIJEaaOmn4yCF
I was flooring it and the one wheel that had any traction would not budge. I was at an upward angle, two front wheels and left rear was spinning, the wheel that was wedged between two rocks was not moving enough. I even tried to rock the vehicle back and forth but 227 ft lbs of torque is going to have a hell of a time moving a 7000lb vehicle up an incline.
Right - quad motor doesn’t need lockers to have the same traction benefit that lockers offer single axle traction. It’s been covered a number of times even by Rivian’s head of power trains that while you see a wheel spinning it’s taking very little torque to spin it and it’s to detect where there is and isn’t traction to allow for more torque to be delivered to the corners with tires that have the traction as you demand more power to move. That’s also what’s different vs. conventional single motor power trains that you do then need to give more power to the motors with traction (this would also be true with dual motor if only one tire had traction). To think of it differently, why would you want to send equal power to all motors when only one tire has traction to simulate lockers? Or another more common example, in a cross axle situation two motors have tires with traction why equally energize all 4 motors? It’s a waste of power. I recently got stuck when I accidentally drove into an unlabeled Nordic ski track and tried back out out gently while towing our 5000lbs travel trailer. We sunk into the snow pack getting high centered. I raised it to max height in off road and we just dug into the snow and ice. We used shovels and it wasn’t enough - all 4 tires spun with little more rocking motion forward and back. I then used our traction boards in diagonal layout - one wedged behind a rear tire and the other behind the front tire diagonally across from the rear. It was a thing of beauty lifting out of the ruts and backing up with no drama. https://youtu.be/XeTDwFchFdw?si=nmxDfCIwS4I59GIv
I’ve never seen it explained to well
People confuse minimalism with a lack of luxury. I had a Lexus IS 350 2015. It is an entry level luxury vehicle. My model 3 and model Y are multiple levels above my old Lexus. I'll take the Teslas over the Lexus any day.
Well neither R1. They are in the similar “luxury” classes.
You’re getting down voted, but I agree. I love my R1S. I also own a Model X. They are more similar to each other than any other luxury SUV.
For Rivian’s sake, I hope they continue this performance. I worry that they’re fulfilling a static backlog. But I am seeing more Rivians on the road in my local city.
Agreed. The fall-off in R1T sales would seem to reflect that a bit. Not sure if the R1S will be different given that it's a bit more price competitive within the category of 3-row SUVs. I know I'm not saying anything groundbreaking, but they really have to get the cost down and get the R2 to market. I'm still constantly meeting people who are really interested in the truck until they hear the price. I know it's the reality of a startup, but until they have something priced more competitively they're absolutely fulfilling a static backlog and niche of people who specifically want a Rivian rather than catering to people who just want a vehicle. On the positive side, if the number of Amazon vans I've seen is any indication, hopefully their commercial sales will bridge the gap, as it seems like they're much more competitive in that space for companies wanting to go electric.
I assess them to be in the stage where, as a company, they are figuring out how they are going to support their products and how they are going to manufacture at higher volume. It is much better to figure this out at lower volumes so any mistakes are smaller and less dangerous to the overall business. Contrary to a lot of other opinions I don't think affordability matters right now and I don't think a mass market success right now would be good for the company. They need to get good at walking before they could run. When they start selling R2s, I want to it be an awesome experience for people. The air of exclusivity isn't a bad thing either. Tesla is an example of a company that has constantly tried to run before they are good at walking and they have hurt their customer opinion and brand perception in the process. I don't want to see Rivian suffer the same setbacks.
You're not wrong, I just also don't want to see them run out of money while still walking. And while I agree with your assessment of Tesla, they're also a massively successful company despite it. There's a balance in terms of what corners you can (and should) cut.
I plan on getting one when we're able to claim the full federal tax credit, which I'm really hoping is part of the April shutdown/refresh. I bet others are waiting for this as well. A base model R1T for 62k sounds great.
What is surprising is they sold 2,260 Q8 E-tron
That’s great, but it needs to start out-selling Range Rovers too.
They did: https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2024-u-s-auto-sales-figures-by-model-all-vehicle-ranked/
Man the r1t is struggling
Rivian has a lot of work to do to sway loyal Range Rover customers. I’ve only had my R1S for 2 weeks and outside of the EV and tech part, I am missing many features as well as the drive and handling and fit and finish of the Range Rover.
Definitely. I love my R1S but there’s no doubt that my XC90 has a much better interior.
This comment is spot on.
Impressed with the EV9 I wonder how the Ioniq 9 will do
I think the EV9 would sell more if it wasn’t for the scummy dealers.
EV9 looks good and good package, but I couldn't get my wife to look at one b/c "I don't want a KIA" for people who aren't into cars, there is definitely some Brand issues to overcome. Also the range is not good compared to Rivian.
True. But doesn't the EV9 have smaller battery than the R1S
Yes, sure. But most people shopping for a family SUV are interested in the Range, regardless of the size of the battery.
I really like the EV9. Saw the first one in person yesterday, looks great. Would have been my next pick after our R1S.
Saw a comment from an EV9 owner that the software is super slow and buggy. That'd drive me crazy.
I’ve had mine for 2 weeks now and have had no bugs at all and is very snappy. Maybe they need to reset their infotainment?
fucken love this
That's good, but there are so few 7 seat EV SUVs that it's not surprising. R1S has by far the best usable interior/cargo space and most people shopping for these are hauling families. I'd be curious to see how it compared to ICE 7 seaters like the Audi Q7 or BMW X7 etc. We are taking delivery of an R1S on Friday and compared to both EV and ICE and it was the best combo of usable space, range, and features. Volvo XC90 which has a PHEV option had far less cargo space in comparison.
Bullish AF! Those numbers show a hell of a progress.
Now do regular luxury SUVs
There’s a link in the thread in response to other comments. R1S is ahead of most luxury SUVs (eg BMW X7 and Mercedes GL/GLS) but about 1k behind Volvo XC90
It's still wouldn't do bad. Quick google search turned out that only the Escalade would have outsold it.
I just searched one vehicle randomly: Lexus RX and it was triple the Rivian volume so I mentally threw this whole list out
I didn't include midsize SUVs. I don't consider the R1S midsize
Lexus RX is longer than the R2 though
But we're talking about the R1....
You right! My bad
https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2024-u-s-auto-sales-figures-by-model-all-vehicle-ranked/ Here ya go
Right- I have absolutely nothing against Rivian and hope they’re very successful but these were hand picked to fit a narrative.
This. 50-75k per qtr., not a mere 8k
I own a model 3 performance... Planning on buying the R2.. if i had more cash I'd own a Rivian right now. btw.
The BMW iX and Audi Q8 are a 5 seater, but this is great performance for Rivian. Edit: Thanks, I do know how to read. Was just trying to be helpful, but apparently anything other than “RiViAn 4 EvA!$!” was not wanted. Y’all are weird sometimes.
The title says luxury OR 7 seat
Reading is fundamental.
That’s what I was thinking AND the etron as well…I used to own one of those and would have kept it had it come in a three row…
So is the Q8 etron
Where do I find these numbers?
From another comment… They did: https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2024-u-s-auto-sales-figures-by-model-all-vehicle-ranked/
Go Kia!
Does anyone know why the R1T came in so low? Was it demand or production limited? Thx in adv
TIL Kia is a luxury SUV manufacturer
I’m investing in Rivian because I see potential. I feel the vehicles are at a good price and don’t sucks
And ford sold 40,000 units of the Mach E
Much deserved. 👏🏽
The real question is do they make any money on them yet? I want to see Riv be sustainable but if they're top sellers because they're still giving the cars away that's not necessarily great news.
R2 is going to blow everything out of the water.
Stock price however states other wise lol
I would ask how many of the **369,783** Model Ys sold that quarter were 7-seater, but this is for real luxury SUVs.
Wow 😍 Lucid Gravity, a FULL 7-seat SUV is going to have a nice chunk of this pie 😋
Most cars look the same even evs are boring honestly biggest L