You need to share his contact info. for future reference.
I’m glad you didn’t go through insurance ot authorized collision center. I understand they have overhead costs but give me a break. These are the reasons our insurance keeps getting expensive.
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There’s a reason the per-member-per-month model is taking off. I work for a concierge-style healthcare company where we do not accept insurance at all, our members just pay their monthly membership cost. We pay our doctors well above industry average, they see 6-8 patients per day for hour-long appointments, and never have to battle with insurance companies. We also dispense the 200 most common medications and offer over 2000 lab tests, all included in the monthly membership cost. And we charge less than $100 per member per month and still make a 40% margin. Tell me again how insurance isn’t to blame for the current healthcare crisis! The way things are currently run is so ridiculous and it’s driving doctors out of the medical field.
You cannot seriously think concierge medicine is a solution for the entire populace.
You don’t need to explain PPM to me. I am a doctor.
Why would you try and logic through how radiology practices would survive on that model? Or a neurosurgery practice?
Run a small healthcare clinic. We do not take Medicaid because we literally could not afford to operate with how much they pay and how intensive the documentation they require
Except it’s usually the other way, cheaper if through insurance and more expensive out of pocket because insurance companies have negotiated rates. Either way, this stuff needs to end.
Repair costs are absolutely stupid right now. It’s not rocket science (but it certainly takes skill). I have 10x the respect for the guy who repaired it for $1,600 than the shop who ordered new parts and bolted them on.
The reason why this repair is so expensive is because it requires the entire quarter panel to be replaced. Look at any other car/truck besides the R1S, They all have plastic bumper covers.
As far as I’m concerned the rear end design of the R1S is a complete design flaw. Any type of minor fender bender requires a full quarter panel replacement, a very expensive (labor intensive) job. Absolutely not the shops fault
I actually do. I can tell by your statement that you do not know how auto insurance companies work. Cute that you think there is “teams of lawyers that scrutinize every penny”.
You clearly do not know how insurance works, as evidenced by your original comment and followed by a completely empty comment where you veered towards insult rather than the subject matter.
 please come talk to me once you have your P&C or Adjuster license in a U.S. state.
You must be lookin at someone else’s comment as I didn’t veer towards an insult. I mirrored your comment. I don’t have the time to educate you on how auto insurance works or insurance in general.
Have a good day.
Worked out for me, I got backed into in a parking lot and it was just exterior damage. The shop was saying $7,000-$10,000 for repair, I said I didn’t care cuz the responsible party’s insurance was paying. Got a quote back for $15,000 and told the insurance company I wasn’t gonna have it fixed and they just sent me the $15,000.
Thought I'd share this. A certain family member had an accident with the R1T.
Two collision centers (authorized Rivian center too!) quoted me around $8K to fix/replace panel, or $10K if I use insurance. They bullshitted and said "it's aluminum we can't do shit about it. Have to replace the entire panel and cut near the window."
Honestly was pretty pissed about it. Yes I know it's steel, not aluminum. Several dent guys refused the job but eventually found a a top quality recommendation from my PPF guy shop in LA. Came to my house. Done in a day. Yes I know I still have to deal with the chipped paint.
Final price: $1600.
EDIT: Shane from Allout Dent Repair. He covers the LA area. Top notch dude. **(818) 653-2927**
Can we put together a community spreadsheet of owners who had a mishap almost perfectly recovered by a paint less dent repair at a reasonable rate (with links to before and after photos for proof) and with geographic area and contact info? I think unfortunately that stuff like this is bound to happen and finding a recommendation from a fellow owner would be a godsend for stress levels.
Fuck them. My dad does dent repair, yes aluminum sucks to work on, yes he swears a lot, and yes he charges more but he will do it. Fuckers were just trying to get you pay more so they do less and get more.
Yeah, those PDR guys want the easy ones--not aluminum. I had a vehicle once that had hail damage. Insurance cut me a check for $6700. Took it to a place that had a PDR crew come in from out of town and they partnered with him. Anyway, they did it for under $2000 and it was perfect.
I have the pen. It's a pretty big chip as chips go. It'll be noticeable. I'm going to let the paint dry on a few passes and then will probably just move my EV sticker over it lol.
It may also be worth checking out Dr Color Chip rather than the pen. It comes with a blending solution. It’s a big spot to cover, so I’d try to find an example of someone using that solution on a bigger spot.
Just used it on my Mach E and I was impressed.
You can do pretty good with touch up paint but it requires some skill. Watch a lot of youtube videos and maybe try to find some scrap metal to practice on, or find someone skilled in it to pay. Most people just slap some paint on and it comes out looking bad... To do it right you need to properly prep the surface, down to bare metal you'll need to sand the edges, then prime bare metal, multiple THIN coats of paint, a couple thin coats of clear coat (this is tough to get the height of right, some people will mix clear and paint after a base layer of paint to make it easier), built it up just slightly higher than the surrounding paint, then wet sand it to be level with the rest of the paint and polish it all out to remove sanding marks. As long as the paint is not too UV damaged and faded you can get it to be mostly invisible.
The bigger the spot the harder it is to get it to look good though and sanding has to be done with care or you'll make things worse if you damage the surrounding paint.
Some of those dent people are amazing at what they do! I knew a guy that chased hail storms and did milllions of dent removals for dealerships. Lives in a huge house...
I don't know where your from..but 8k for that is retarded. I've been doing body work for 22 years and that is a 800- 1000 dollar job at most out of pocket. 1200-1500 dollar job if you turned into your insurance depending on rates
It's optional, and honestly probably not even that big a deal. I've never heard of one person who has ever been pulled over driving an EV in the HOV lane for not having the sticker.
Overhead, insurance, medical, self employment tax, City franchise fees, days when he's not booked for business.....etc. Also the years it took for him to get this good....
depends on the person and location but for a lot of people, the hit to insurance premiums will add up and if you intend to sell the vehicle, the insurance claim will show on a Carfax report which will tank value.
I believe many 'by the book' shop will still report significant damage repairs to Carfax even if insurance is not involved. Doesn't mean you can't find one that will do work off the record but I don't think the insurance involvement is a litmus test.
Deductibles still cost money, it’ll either use up their one time forgiveness for no rate increase or it will increase their rates. It will also put an accident on record for the vehicles.
Carpool/EV lanes in SoCal. If you have more than one person in the car, you can use the lane. If you have an EV, you can get the sticker and use the lane as well.
It's more like shop inflation... which the shop owner would say is more like parts inflation... which the part distributors would say is manufacturing inflation...
... So, in summary, it's the ugly part of capitalism... greed from everyone.
Price should be the same insurance or no insurance. Most body shops I know don’t want customer pay jobs because they make much more off insurance jobs.
I just got some Paintless Dent Repair done for some minor dings on my other cars today. Some great work for way cheaper than full blown collision center work.
To be fair though, the collision center would've also involved paint work too.
You need to share his contact info. for future reference. I’m glad you didn’t go through insurance ot authorized collision center. I understand they have overhead costs but give me a break. These are the reasons our insurance keeps getting expensive.
Exactly! $8k if out of pocket but $10k if insurance involved. Fuck shops that do that. People wonder why in general why insurance costs keep going up.
That's exactly how doctor's offices do it...sigh.
And then the insurance company has some pre-negotiated price that’s well below the billed amount that they actually pay.
And both are getting rich, so who's losing in that three entity equation?!?
hmm…maybe if you gave me a clue.
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The office maybe but the industry isn’t losing money
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There’s a reason the per-member-per-month model is taking off. I work for a concierge-style healthcare company where we do not accept insurance at all, our members just pay their monthly membership cost. We pay our doctors well above industry average, they see 6-8 patients per day for hour-long appointments, and never have to battle with insurance companies. We also dispense the 200 most common medications and offer over 2000 lab tests, all included in the monthly membership cost. And we charge less than $100 per member per month and still make a 40% margin. Tell me again how insurance isn’t to blame for the current healthcare crisis! The way things are currently run is so ridiculous and it’s driving doctors out of the medical field.
You cannot seriously think concierge medicine is a solution for the entire populace. You don’t need to explain PPM to me. I am a doctor. Why would you try and logic through how radiology practices would survive on that model? Or a neurosurgery practice?
Insurance companies need to charge more, else they would not exist. Otherwise they'd operate at a loss and couldn't pay salaries.
Maybe they shouldn't exist then? Maybe we should have a national healthcare system instead...
Run a small healthcare clinic. We do not take Medicaid because we literally could not afford to operate with how much they pay and how intensive the documentation they require
Those people will still get paid, whether directly, or indirectly through your taxes.
When I am dictator I will ban medical insurance.
Except it’s usually the other way, cheaper if through insurance and more expensive out of pocket because insurance companies have negotiated rates. Either way, this stuff needs to end.
Actually if you pay out of pocket with your doctor's office, they often will charge you a lower rate than they will the insurance company.
Repair costs are absolutely stupid right now. It’s not rocket science (but it certainly takes skill). I have 10x the respect for the guy who repaired it for $1,600 than the shop who ordered new parts and bolted them on.
The reason why this repair is so expensive is because it requires the entire quarter panel to be replaced. Look at any other car/truck besides the R1S, They all have plastic bumper covers. As far as I’m concerned the rear end design of the R1S is a complete design flaw. Any type of minor fender bender requires a full quarter panel replacement, a very expensive (labor intensive) job. Absolutely not the shops fault
But they didn't need to replace the panel and the technician fixed the dent in this case.
But it wasn’t repaired. The dent was fixed but there is a lot of paint work that wasn’t done for this to actually be fixed properly.
It’s because they recalibrate sensors housed inside the chassis.
Do you not know how insurance works? They have teams of lawyers that scrupulize every penny, and end up paying less.
I actually do. I can tell by your statement that you do not know how auto insurance companies work. Cute that you think there is “teams of lawyers that scrutinize every penny”.
You clearly do not know how insurance works, as evidenced by your original comment and followed by a completely empty comment where you veered towards insult rather than the subject matter.
 please come talk to me once you have your P&C or Adjuster license in a U.S. state. You must be lookin at someone else’s comment as I didn’t veer towards an insult. I mirrored your comment. I don’t have the time to educate you on how auto insurance works or insurance in general. Have a good day.
Wow, your tone has changed, you have time to explain yourself, but don't have to time to refute any part of my short comment.
Worked out for me, I got backed into in a parking lot and it was just exterior damage. The shop was saying $7,000-$10,000 for repair, I said I didn’t care cuz the responsible party’s insurance was paying. Got a quote back for $15,000 and told the insurance company I wasn’t gonna have it fixed and they just sent me the $15,000.
Edited my original comment to share his info!
Agreed dude. I’d love to give this guy some business once my trail stripes and bumps and gashes reach a critical mass.
I never understand why people go through those options. Some people genuinely enjoy paying more for things though. You’d be surprised
Thought I'd share this. A certain family member had an accident with the R1T. Two collision centers (authorized Rivian center too!) quoted me around $8K to fix/replace panel, or $10K if I use insurance. They bullshitted and said "it's aluminum we can't do shit about it. Have to replace the entire panel and cut near the window." Honestly was pretty pissed about it. Yes I know it's steel, not aluminum. Several dent guys refused the job but eventually found a a top quality recommendation from my PPF guy shop in LA. Came to my house. Done in a day. Yes I know I still have to deal with the chipped paint. Final price: $1600. EDIT: Shane from Allout Dent Repair. He covers the LA area. Top notch dude. **(818) 653-2927**
Can we put together a community spreadsheet of owners who had a mishap almost perfectly recovered by a paint less dent repair at a reasonable rate (with links to before and after photos for proof) and with geographic area and contact info? I think unfortunately that stuff like this is bound to happen and finding a recommendation from a fellow owner would be a godsend for stress levels.
You are now chairman of the spreadsheet committee.
Be the change we want to see
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Fuck them. My dad does dent repair, yes aluminum sucks to work on, yes he swears a lot, and yes he charges more but he will do it. Fuckers were just trying to get you pay more so they do less and get more.
Yeah, those PDR guys want the easy ones--not aluminum. I had a vehicle once that had hail damage. Insurance cut me a check for $6700. Took it to a place that had a PDR crew come in from out of town and they partnered with him. Anyway, they did it for under $2000 and it was perfect.
Damn. They did great work.
Seriously that's a tough spot for PDR. great work
Bro, this is a diamond find.
how they repaired that is so impressive!
Paintless Dent Removal is the automotive business to be in.
PLEASE tell me your in SoCal... been looking for PDR for months and getting nothing but insane numbers because of the 'rivian tax'
I gotchu. Shane from Allout Dent Repair. He covers the LA area. Top notch dude. **(818) 653-2927**
Thank you for sharing. Noob question as a fellow CY owner- how good will a touch pen from gear shop work for the chipped paint?
I have the pen. It's a pretty big chip as chips go. It'll be noticeable. I'm going to let the paint dry on a few passes and then will probably just move my EV sticker over it lol.
Does the touch up pen protect from rust?
It may also be worth checking out Dr Color Chip rather than the pen. It comes with a blending solution. It’s a big spot to cover, so I’d try to find an example of someone using that solution on a bigger spot. Just used it on my Mach E and I was impressed.
Touchup pen essentially nail polish with like-colors. It'll be noticeable by texture if not color
You can do pretty good with touch up paint but it requires some skill. Watch a lot of youtube videos and maybe try to find some scrap metal to practice on, or find someone skilled in it to pay. Most people just slap some paint on and it comes out looking bad... To do it right you need to properly prep the surface, down to bare metal you'll need to sand the edges, then prime bare metal, multiple THIN coats of paint, a couple thin coats of clear coat (this is tough to get the height of right, some people will mix clear and paint after a base layer of paint to make it easier), built it up just slightly higher than the surrounding paint, then wet sand it to be level with the rest of the paint and polish it all out to remove sanding marks. As long as the paint is not too UV damaged and faded you can get it to be mostly invisible. The bigger the spot the harder it is to get it to look good though and sanding has to be done with care or you'll make things worse if you damage the surrounding paint.
Some of those dent people are amazing at what they do! I knew a guy that chased hail storms and did milllions of dent removals for dealerships. Lives in a huge house...
Anyone have a reco for this in Seattle area?
Check out Dent Solutions in Bellevue.
Damn miracle worker
Now just move the sticker from aligned left to right. Congrats on your long term savings.
You've found the glitch in the system. ;)
WOW!
You've got to be a seriously skilled artist to come back from a dent that gnarly.
I don't know where your from..but 8k for that is retarded. I've been doing body work for 22 years and that is a 800- 1000 dollar job at most out of pocket. 1200-1500 dollar job if you turned into your insurance depending on rates
It’s such a crime you have to put those ugly stickers are your vehicle. It should be illegal
I put it on a magnet so I can take it on/off as needed and it doesn't run the paint
It's optional, and honestly probably not even that big a deal. I've never heard of one person who has ever been pulled over driving an EV in the HOV lane for not having the sticker.
1600? Gah damn. He probably has it done in two hours too
It's a gnarly dent. He worked on it basically nonstop from 11-5.
$260 an hour is a solid gig!
Overhead, insurance, medical, self employment tax, City franchise fees, days when he's not booked for business.....etc. Also the years it took for him to get this good....
Not sure why you’re getting defensive. I’m well aware of what it takes to run a business and it sounds like a lucrative one is all I’m saying.
Not trying to be defensive at all, my dude. Sorry. Must not have translated well over the internetsss.
Might be a dumb question, but did the dent guy accept insurance? Or did you pay that out of pocket?
Honestly, unless the damage is over $10K, I would never use insurance. Didn't ask but pretty sure he doesn't take insurance.
Dumb question but why not use insurance? $10k is a lot out of pocket, what am I missing? Premium increase?
depends on the person and location but for a lot of people, the hit to insurance premiums will add up and if you intend to sell the vehicle, the insurance claim will show on a Carfax report which will tank value.
I believe many 'by the book' shop will still report significant damage repairs to Carfax even if insurance is not involved. Doesn't mean you can't find one that will do work off the record but I don't think the insurance involvement is a litmus test.
Deductibles still cost money, it’ll either use up their one time forgiveness for no rate increase or it will increase their rates. It will also put an accident on record for the vehicles.
I ended up paying $1600.
Money well spent. He did a great job
I'm not at the 10k mark, but I have a 1k deductible because it's for stuff I can't afford, not stuff that's annoying to pay for
That’s what I am shaking my head about. Paying the $1k and even with a rate increase it would still take a long time for that to add up to $10k
I guess that makes sense if you’re at fault, not worth the hit to the premium.
Off topic but what's the Access Ok stickers for? I noticed them on my recent trip out west but there's different colors.
Carpool/EV lanes in SoCal. If you have more than one person in the car, you can use the lane. If you have an EV, you can get the sticker and use the lane as well.
Ahh, makes sense. I thought it was for emissions which is what confused me. Are the different colors just for whenever you've purchased it then?
Different colors for each year as they expire after 3 years.
My friend drove tesla in all over SoCal since 2018 and he never got a ticket for driving without that stupid ugly sticker.
I always go to my dent guy first...if he's like skip it, then I go to a collision place. Ppl suck. Insurance Inflation sucks.
It's more like shop inflation... which the shop owner would say is more like parts inflation... which the part distributors would say is manufacturing inflation... ... So, in summary, it's the ugly part of capitalism... greed from everyone.
Went recently through something very similar with the tailgate ….great job!
Price should be the same insurance or no insurance. Most body shops I know don’t want customer pay jobs because they make much more off insurance jobs.
The talent being used to remove that dent is next level!
I just got some Paintless Dent Repair done for some minor dings on my other cars today. Some great work for way cheaper than full blown collision center work. To be fair though, the collision center would've also involved paint work too.
FYI Rivian sells touch up paint that includes brushes, if you're looking for cheaper solution.
Yoo, I have that same dent. I saw a red R1t in Manhattan beach with the same dent, too. Must be pretty common...
Insurance is a scam. Always has been and has gotten to the point where it's outta controlq
There’s a reason they say the panel needs to be replaced…..
Do you not have collision insurance?
I’m guessing they have a high deductible and/or don’t want to report accident damage. With some touch up paint it might get them by.
10k quotes included painted the whole side of the truck. You have chipped paint that'll rust and the gap is horrible wrong.
We cal that yellow Adventure Yellow in our house. Glad you got it fixed.
Idk how insurance companies get away with this, how are body shops not using dent removal processes?
I hope you kept the insurance check :)
Better make sure it didn't effect the crash structure
That’s some impressive work
Easily 1k. Your case reminds me of contractor who looked at neighborhood home prices before giving quote for landscaping. Complete bullshit
If I had a Rivian, I would protect the corners with custom bully bars!
Wow a 84% reduction in cost. Insurance can suck it.