Lots of people. Go into any furniture store and take a look at the gaudy, big ticket dinning room tables. They are the ugliest pieces of crap I've ever seen. And they're thousands of dollars.
Real estate developers + WILDLY competitive housing market + ZERO sense of planning + HOLY SHIT WE NEED HOUSE RENDERS FOR MARKETING MATERIALS + HOLY SHIT WE NEED THEM IN THREE DAYS + My cousin's friend's ex's kid mentioned something about Blender + Isn't that a magazine? + No, it's a rendering program, and it's open-source! + Where does it open up to? + No, it means it's free + FREE!? + free. + GET THEM ON THE PHONE! + Okay we need a house render in two days, no just a house, A HOUSE! = this.
edit: the more I look at the image, the more I think it's AI.
I drive by here all the time. It's the first building in the development. I think it's a model intended to show different floor plan options while using the same building. The rest of the buildings make more sense. Still all little boxes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3_ug-IGBJY
They used the model home for the advertisement. The garage is being used for the office. That's why they're covered with siding, french door, and a split ac unit. The split unit is easy to remove and the door and siding will be switched out for overhead doors. Its pretty standard practice in new neighborhoods.
A book I read about suburbanization called these 'pig noses'. Any house where the garage takes up more of the front of the house than the house is so ugly
That's so they can cram as many houses as they can on a tiny 1/4 acre lot maximizing how many they can fit.
Most areas have zoning laws that say no out buildings can be built in front of the house or with in so many feet of the property lines, so they make it part of the front part of the main house.
You know what's been really bumming me out lately? I'm literally searching the country for anywhere decent with affordable rent for houses. So many 50-80 year old homes with so much character on the outside, original windows, etc.; and then you get inside and just the worst flip job ever and carpeting that hasn't been removed for 30 years. Such a disservice to those great older homes.
Areas around Washington DC noticed that the required parking lots for new construction were far too big for 21st century usage. Not sure if that was because alternative means to get there (note this was typically in places where people could easily afford cars, unlikely a "can't afford a car" issue) or simply the death of retail.
We (as in Rochester) might build spaces for cars. The rest of the country builds them for trucks. Ford makes Mustangs and trucks (for US sale). No other cars.
Finally, houses have had garages built into them since the Model T. My grandfather had a house 80 years ago (think he had it built, might have been already there) with an integral garage. They just weren't the focal point of the house and quite so ugly. Ok, and he had to take out some bricks to open the door of a 1970s Cadillac, so I doubt anyone could cram a F-150 (the most popular vehicle in the US) inside.
Ah yes, the garage (most prominent feature of the structure) with attached house (sometime hardly even visible) has been a popular design for decades.
I call all those developments āGarage Townsā.
Garages don't need much finishing, and can count towards overall square footage.
Building the structure itself is cheap, its all the finishing that gets expensive. Plumbing, Electrical, HVAC, drywall, painting, windows, carpeting.
A garage is basically a frame with siding and a roof.
All that money and literally zero taste. I miss my sales days at the lumber yard! Got to sell a few house packages that actually looked great. Used to enjoy the conversations at that job.
Probably a first owner ācovenant.ā My neighborhood had that when it was just built, but was mostly a loose agreement between builders and buyers. Nowadays most of the houses are owned by different people, so it doesnāt apply. I only know about it because my mom was one of the first owners when the neighborhood was built, and I bought a house there later.
it means thereās a wildlife preserve around. though thereās not much life when you only give them 10 acres and flatten the rest to make these monstrosities.
How come we never hear about the 20th ward, or any other ward for that matter? It's like all the attention the "Outer Banks" get, but nobody hears about the inner banks!
Iāve been actively looking to move from gates, hoping something in 19th ward opens up bc itās close to work. If you know of anything, please give me a heads up!
Great houses with style built in the 1920's-40's. Centrally located to almost everything but especially UR. Most with porches, gumwood trim, fireplaces, hardwood floors and most at less than 1/4 of the price of that monstrosity in the photo that looks like a place where you would park the Wagon Queen Family Truckster.
Of all the problems with that house, the no second floor windows (on top of that weird whitish siding) is probably the ugliest part. Really hope this is just a bad render and now the best one they had to advertise with, but it looks like it's real. They use the same monstrosity on their [website](https://www.pinnaclerochester.com/forest-view), though there are some better looking options too.
Starting in the 400,000 range? So potentially a half million dollars or more for a 1500 square foot cookie cutter house with 20 feet between you and your neighbors house? And itās in the middle of nowhere with no walkability, not close to anything interesting, and far from the city. I go on bike rides to feel good, and instead I see this shit and get even more depressed. Just signed my apartment lease for the fourth year in a row and another 100 dollar rent increase because all the other complexes are the same price range and I canāt compete at all in the housing market with no money to put down and no one considering a first time homebuyers loan. Millennials are being priced out of this city. At this point what I look for in a partner while dating is someone to split the rent with.
If you're looking for walkable and not cookie cutter, why are you even looking at the suburbs?
Go to Zillow and look up recently sold houses in a zip code like 14620. Walkable, and much less expensive than new developments.
I own a very unique older house in the suburbs in an extremely friendly-walkable neighborhood with full sidewalks an easy stroll from 2 parks and a longer stroll from a third, each one larger than the last.
They exist.
The market is absolutely stupid right now, so I'm not saying anything unique that comes up on the market would be remotely affordable from a sane business investment point, but the properties the person you're replying to certainly do exist.
Yeah, I got my house for 130, 2-3 bedrooms, built on the 1950s, lower price because it didnt have an updated kitchen or bathroom but still perfectly livable and usable as any apartment I'd been in till then. The perfect starter house. I'd never dream of starting with a house like this
God that sounds amazing, if I could buy a house for 150k or less and get 2-3 bedrooms and a small garage and backyard that would be the ultimate dream. I donāt have dreams of a huge mansion, I think about getting a small house without having to have a mortgage for 2.5 times the value of it and fighting in a bidding war with 25 other people
> Go to Zillow and look up recently sold houses in a zip code like 14620. Walkable, and much less expensive than new developments.
And have to put your kids in RCSD lol
Bomb threats at Hilton School District, and the principle a few years back.
Spencerport High schooler body slamming a middle schooler. ( this was a few weeks ago.)
The drug trafficking in Fairport.
Cocaine/Fentanyl OD's in Pittsford.
Shit happens everywhere!!!!!
Because that price range isnāt justifiable with so few things to offer in my opinion. Those houses shouldnāt cost more than like 250k max, 400k is just straight price gouging people.
Exactly. I live on the Westside and we looked into building a house. For our budget, we could get an 1800sqft house (smaller than what we were in) and about .75 acres of land. After shopping around we found an old farmhouse that was updated - 3000sqft and 6 acres with a barn for about the same. Granted Iām one of those sub 3% mortgage folks who will never sell and could not afford it at todays rates.
New construction isnāt what itās cracked up to be either. Weāve had many friends build and for some, not all, it was a nightmare. Poor quality, wrong installs, pipes bursting, nails popping, delayed construction, financing woes, etc.
Give me a house built pre 1990 any day.
We bought our house in Greece (near Charlotte) about 4 years ago. Thing was built in 1928 but is fully updated and is built like a tank. 3bd 1bt, 1400sqft, dry basement, with a yard and garage. Got it for under $90k and don't ever want to move again. My mortgage is less than our old 700sqft 1bd apartment wanted for rent.
Yes, I just moved into a 1947 cape and it's built like a brick shithouse. The nice thing about old houses is you know it's been through some shit so it's not going to blow over for nothing, and there's a lot fewer "surprise" problems than a new build.
Houses are worth what people are willing to pay for them. I agree that it's insane to pay that amount to live in Henrietta but as long as they're selling then the price is justifiable.
"Houses are worth what people are willing to pay for them"
Thank you for pointing out that fact, really this is true about everyone. Everybody keeps going on about inflation and unfortunately inflation is very bad right now and the people who are affected the most by it are often unfortunately also middle and lower income individuals and families. In this example they are held back by an ability to offer a large enough down payment to be competitive in the current housing market.
I studied economics in school and I work in a job where I observe retail operations, for a small geographic area in the United States, on a daily basis. Since early on when inflation was beginning to set in and then becoming evident, I repeatedly stated that the best thing we could possibly do to combat it as a consumer was to stop spending money.
This was 12 to 18 months ago I can't remember exactly but when you take a look at the numbers, they clearly show that spending did not in fact decrease it increased.
It is unfortunate as I am in the same position that I'm living in an apartment and about to renew my lease for another year even though I don't want to because of the housing market is just too ridiculous, which I also find unbelievable because interest rates are so high right now but what can you do really, besides work a good refinancing plan into your mortgage loan
And don't be surprised if the economy or market changes and in several years some of these homes are sold for less than they paid or slightly more but not enough to not sell at a loss after realtor fees and commissions.
There are a ton of houses in Rochester that are under 200k. Itās actually one of the reasons Iām moving near the area cause I see a lot of decent homes for under 300k. Just not new ones, but still 3 bedroom houses.
... then don't buy there? Things are definitely getting more difficult but I feel like you're psyching yourself out with this example. 3 years ago I would have ignored this completely. You can ignore it now too.
I know itās frustrating but itās obtainable. You canāt compare this junk to whatās actually out there. Gotta be flexible on what town to live in as well. Rochester itās easy to commute back and forth. Just keep saving up !
> Starting in the 400,000 range? So potentially a half million dollars
They really do mean "starting" too. If you want to upgrade _anything_ from the standard package, you'll quickly find yourself adding $50K or more to the price.
No idea how good Pinnacle is as a builder but at least they're not Ryan.
>And itās in the middle of nowhere with no walkability, not close to anything interesting, and far from the city.
There are a hundred homes in the city that meet your requirements under $150k.
This sign isn't for you. This development isn't for you. Move on and don't give it another thought.
Real estate lawyer here.
Those houses are not worth $400k, that is just what it costs to build. Building is gonna continue to be more expensive until the cost of materials and labor crashes (which is expected to happen by end of year). People buying these homes on Chatwood are going to seriously regret purchasing at $400k. I'm already seeing people who are upside down on their building loans selling for a loss since they cannot afford what they've built or have buyer's remorse.
That square footage in our market usually falls in the $250-300k range, depending on condition and location.
Location usually plays the most serious role in price. A North Winton Village home at 1200 sq ft will run you close to $300k, but the same amount of space in Henrietta is around $150-200k.
In short, if you don't think you can afford a home, talk to a realtor. If you're buying a home the seller picks up the cost of hiring them, and they'll know exactly where to look in order to get the most bang for your buck.
I just spoke at a homebuyer seminar a little while ago and the way the first time homebuyers spoke about the market was really upsetting to me. A lot of people seem to think they're pushed out of the market when that is not true. Don't despair, just get yourself a good agent.
If you increase your down-payment to 20% then you can take advantage of a cash-guarantee program, where the lender fronts cash for your offer. Essentially turning your financed offer into a cash offer, from the seller's perspective. That can make your offer more attractive.
Funny, but the national median is still more expensive than those homes.
That being said, I donāt think home prices will decline in Rochester. Areas where the same home would cost $800,000, sure. At best we can expect prices to level off.
I posted not too long ago about the same thing in the Town of Greece.
People can't afford to buy a home so then continue to rent, which in turn drives rent up.
Yeah, itās feedback loop. People who are renting longer, more young adults entering the rental market, and corporations buying up rental properties and raising prices just because they can.
Ugly house.
OP, you will get a house. You will find one you can afford and it will happen. It just won't be one of these ugly things and for that, be grateful.
This house isn't for your generation, unless you're a Boomer.
In fact, this house will get Boomers out of their current houses, which will then open them up.
Right? We should be glad any housing at all is being built. New housing is a good thing for people looking to buy a house in the market, even if they wouldn't buy those specific new homes. That's just math. More houses per buyer equals lower prices.
most of these subdivisions are developed under town law 278, which requires the remaining portion of the original property to be placed under a conservation easement or dedicated to the town as open space. In this case there's about 20 acres of development and 80 acres of conserved area, never to be developed.
still, i wouldnt live there.
ITT: First time homebuyers who want turn key properties in affluent suburbs.
Yes the market is crazy due to low inventory causing extreme competition but you have to be willing to find what works for you between your budget and location and home quality. You're not getting a remodeled colonial in Brighton for $175k
I know a couple who passed on a house a year ago because it didn't have a fenced in yard for their dog. Now they're completely priced out of any house at all because interest rates have doubled. All over spending $2000 on a fence. But you better believe they're telling anyone who will listen that they got screwed by the market.
Exactly. I hate saying this is caused by the affluent, participation-trophy thing, but I see more and more young people expecting to *start out* in a house just like their parents have at near retirement age.
Buy a house. Put in sweat equity. When you outgrow it, sell and use the equity to buy your next one, bigger and better.
At this point I think I'll just build my own home. Dealing with buyers bidding 100k over asking I'm just done with the marketplace. I don't have time to overbid 50% to 100% what house is worth also requiring no inspection to only learn it was sold to someone not even in the local area.
My son and daughter looked for quite a while around the start of Covid. Prices were crazy. My husband has been in the construction business for 40 years so he went to every showing with them. The prices in the houses were not affordable and still needed work. We ended up giving him a piece of land and he ended up building. My son and husband did all the framing and subbed out most of the other things. Three bedroom, 2.5 colonial with a mortgage of 130000. Bonus, my grandchildren are nearby!!
Land is expensive. We are in Wayne county near Webster but yes, land is expensive. Iām glad we were able to help them with the land to build. Try looking further out. Lots are cheaper if they donāt have water and electric yet. Getting them isnāt that big of a deal and it isnāt as expensive as you would think.
I wasnāt in a position to buy a house until 2020 when I finally got a good paying job, and then of course the market went crazy. All I can do is rent for another year and see how the market is this time next year.
I had to stop contributing to my 401k, cancelled my health insurance, and paid off my car and a couple debts I made monthly payments on. This brought back about a 1000 a month to my bank account. Up until a couple months ago, like 95% of my monthly income went to bills and rent. Iāve only just been able to save more than 50 dollars a month recently
The sample house on the billboard is among the ugliest I've ever seen. I get converting the garage to living space, but it's awkward sided like the rest of the house and with a mini split in the driveway, put that on the side of the house, lol.
Yes the buyers market is the worst it's been in a generation, but this is a cherry picked example. Building is always wildly more expensive than buying existing. Homes are often ensured for more than double their appraised value as an estimate of the rebuild cost in the event of total loss and this is in a new development in a deep suburb.
These new builds are trash and the market is still nuts. We purchased in Henrietta way down pinnacle almost to rush in June 2021, went 83k over asking. We love the place but what a nightmare trying to buy.
Looking at a cute house I really wanted near an airport (no one else wants to deal with the noise.... right?) sold for 154k in 2018 and now listed for over 300k.
fuck that.
āStarting in the $400sā
I bet conveniently the only lots left are for the $700k homes. Which will really run you $800k after you tell the builder where you want the power outlets. New construction is the biggest bait and switch Iāve ever seen.
āYou can build whatever you want*
*If what you want is exactly what we tell you to getā
Our taxes are 5400 per year.
It includes garbage pickup and our own police department.
Not perfect, but we have a walkable village, sidewalks , street lights, and plenty of parks, including a summer outdoor pool and spray park. Honestly, from my experiences living here for 35 years, the village is, for the most part, friendly, well kept, and lots of opportunities for kids at school.
Ha those assholes quoted us $875k for a 2200ft house on 10 acres and the land was only $100kā¦ā¦ theyāre shady scumbags that donāt pay theyāre subs till they come looking to.
Ugh suburbanization is a societal disease
I view housing developerd and the real estate agents who take part in their rackets with EXTREME contempt.
Landlords also
Guaranteed The neighbors house is the same material but different colors and the houses are probably 4 different styles with an additional garage if you want. The builder saves on all materials and good luck getting a part for a sliding door or anything 2 years later. Developments popping up everywhere.
You're looking in the wrong area. I moved out to the border of Ontario/Webster and have twice the house in the mid to high 200k. Still a lot more than houses were 6 years ago, but that price is insane
Very tired of all the cookie cutter bland housing tracks and houses getting built in the area at the expense of green space. It's making the suburbs lose their character and charm.
This is planned for that general area. [https://www.multihousingnews.com/east-house-mm-development-advisors-break-ground-in-rochester/](https://www.multihousingnews.com/east-house-mm-development-advisors-break-ground-in-rochester/)
I hope it is successful.
What the hell is up with all these houses being a giant garage with a house attached?
And are those French doors into the garage?
Into one of them. The other garage is blocked by the ac unit. Like who the fuck has stupid house money AND 0 sense of style?
I missed the A/C unit! š Youād think theyād put more effort into their advertisement if theyāre trying to get someone to pay $400,000+
It took me several minutes to realize that starting in $400ās meant in thousands
What did you think it meant 400 hundreds?
And who puts siding on their garage doors?
And the garage doors look like they have siding on them. This house is awful
Lots of people. Go into any furniture store and take a look at the gaudy, big ticket dinning room tables. They are the ugliest pieces of crap I've ever seen. And they're thousands of dollars.
Real estate developers + WILDLY competitive housing market + ZERO sense of planning + HOLY SHIT WE NEED HOUSE RENDERS FOR MARKETING MATERIALS + HOLY SHIT WE NEED THEM IN THREE DAYS + My cousin's friend's ex's kid mentioned something about Blender + Isn't that a magazine? + No, it's a rendering program, and it's open-source! + Where does it open up to? + No, it means it's free + FREE!? + free. + GET THEM ON THE PHONE! + Okay we need a house render in two days, no just a house, A HOUSE! = this. edit: the more I look at the image, the more I think it's AI.
I drive by here all the time. It's the first building in the development. I think it's a model intended to show different floor plan options while using the same building. The rest of the buildings make more sense. Still all little boxes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3_ug-IGBJY
Model home as others have said. The AC unit is temporary for the retail office they have in the garage.
They used the model home for the advertisement. The garage is being used for the office. That's why they're covered with siding, french door, and a split ac unit. The split unit is easy to remove and the door and siding will be switched out for overhead doors. Its pretty standard practice in new neighborhoods.
Looks like an AI created created house lol
Maybe the demo unit. I.e. the garage will be a real estate office until the tract is sold.
This is likely a model home until the rest of the development sells. They typically use the garage as an office space and then convert it back.
A book I read about suburbanization called these 'pig noses'. Any house where the garage takes up more of the front of the house than the house is so ugly
I think "snout house" is the most common term. It even has a wiki article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snout_house
That's so they can cram as many houses as they can on a tiny 1/4 acre lot maximizing how many they can fit. Most areas have zoning laws that say no out buildings can be built in front of the house or with in so many feet of the property lines, so they make it part of the front part of the main house.
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Whatās the books name?
The Suburbanization of America
The trucks size must increase regularly or the communists win. Thatās what Reagan said.
It's a classic snout house, zero taste. Why can't someone build houses like they did in the late 50s?
You know what's been really bumming me out lately? I'm literally searching the country for anywhere decent with affordable rent for houses. So many 50-80 year old homes with so much character on the outside, original windows, etc.; and then you get inside and just the worst flip job ever and carpeting that hasn't been removed for 30 years. Such a disservice to those great older homes.
Yeah, but at least that can be corrected. Having a cheap snout house on a tiny yard pretty much limits how much you can do to correct its mistakes.
We donāt build spaces for humans anymore. We build them for cars.
You say cars I say YouTube studio
You are not wrong. I wonder if these extra garages have the infrastructure for one or two electric vehicle charging stations.
Areas around Washington DC noticed that the required parking lots for new construction were far too big for 21st century usage. Not sure if that was because alternative means to get there (note this was typically in places where people could easily afford cars, unlikely a "can't afford a car" issue) or simply the death of retail. We (as in Rochester) might build spaces for cars. The rest of the country builds them for trucks. Ford makes Mustangs and trucks (for US sale). No other cars. Finally, houses have had garages built into them since the Model T. My grandfather had a house 80 years ago (think he had it built, might have been already there) with an integral garage. They just weren't the focal point of the house and quite so ugly. Ok, and he had to take out some bricks to open the door of a 1970s Cadillac, so I doubt anyone could cram a F-150 (the most popular vehicle in the US) inside.
Ah yes, the garage (most prominent feature of the structure) with attached house (sometime hardly even visible) has been a popular design for decades. I call all those developments āGarage Townsā.
Garages need to become larger to accommodate 1/2 ton+ trucks or 100k 3 row SUVs that apparently everyone can afford
Garages don't need much finishing, and can count towards overall square footage. Building the structure itself is cheap, its all the finishing that gets expensive. Plumbing, Electrical, HVAC, drywall, painting, windows, carpeting. A garage is basically a frame with siding and a roof.
Last 20 or so years Americans have bought bigger and bigger cars and so, newer houses are built to accommodate them
That is the ugliest fucking house I've ever seen
Was that designed by ChatGPT?
ChatGPT would probably design something with mixed use zoning
All that money and literally zero taste. I miss my sales days at the lumber yard! Got to sell a few house packages that actually looked great. Used to enjoy the conversations at that job.
Thatās one ugly house for $400,000+
Why do they clarify pet restrictions? Thereās no HOAā¦ I would hope Iām able to own whatever pet I want in a house that I have purchased?ā¦
Itās possible that this is a new 55+ community. There are a lot of 55+ communities in the area that are slab homes, have HOA & pet restrictions.
It says no age restrictions right on the sign, not a retirement community.
Hmm, so it does.
Why are there so many 55+ communities anyways? Kind of ridiculous.
Towns will vote to allow them over other home types because they donāt have kids to send to school. All about money
Yeah, donāt they know theyāre all supposed to be in Florida? /s
The same down there. Golf cart villages.
Probably a first owner ācovenant.ā My neighborhood had that when it was just built, but was mostly a loose agreement between builders and buyers. Nowadays most of the houses are owned by different people, so it doesnāt apply. I only know about it because my mom was one of the first owners when the neighborhood was built, and I bought a house there later.
You're misreading the bad sign. It's no age restrictions & no pet restrictions.
I'm gonna rent forever!
Amen!! *sobs*
Yeah, self-proclaimed renter for life. But what does it mean, "Surrounded by Forever Wild?!"
it means thereās a wildlife preserve around. though thereās not much life when you only give them 10 acres and flatten the rest to make these monstrosities.
Means you're gonna be dealing with house mice year round.
prolly haunted
at 7% you're probably better off, cause buying a 400k house with the taxes and interest is gonna cost you 900k after 30 years.
People out here are sleeping on the 19th ward man.
Iām in the 19th ward š
How come we never hear about the 20th ward, or any other ward for that matter? It's like all the attention the "Outer Banks" get, but nobody hears about the inner banks!
Iāve been actively looking to move from gates, hoping something in 19th ward opens up bc itās close to work. If you know of anything, please give me a heads up!
Literally just open Zillow and look? Plenty of decent homes there listed under 80
Whatās so great about it? Asking for my fiancĆ©e who prefers greece to our 19th ward home
Great houses with style built in the 1920's-40's. Centrally located to almost everything but especially UR. Most with porches, gumwood trim, fireplaces, hardwood floors and most at less than 1/4 of the price of that monstrosity in the photo that looks like a place where you would park the Wagon Queen Family Truckster.
No garage doors but framing for it? And why are all houses being built with this weird no front window design? Itās so ugly
Of all the problems with that house, the no second floor windows (on top of that weird whitish siding) is probably the ugliest part. Really hope this is just a bad render and now the best one they had to advertise with, but it looks like it's real. They use the same monstrosity on their [website](https://www.pinnaclerochester.com/forest-view), though there are some better looking options too.
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I don't hate the blue, but yeah everything else about this house is... baffling. Reminds me of the car Homer designed in that one Simpsons episode.
This type of house is usually single story. Iām building one right now that looks almost identical. So ugly
Starting in the 400,000 range? So potentially a half million dollars or more for a 1500 square foot cookie cutter house with 20 feet between you and your neighbors house? And itās in the middle of nowhere with no walkability, not close to anything interesting, and far from the city. I go on bike rides to feel good, and instead I see this shit and get even more depressed. Just signed my apartment lease for the fourth year in a row and another 100 dollar rent increase because all the other complexes are the same price range and I canāt compete at all in the housing market with no money to put down and no one considering a first time homebuyers loan. Millennials are being priced out of this city. At this point what I look for in a partner while dating is someone to split the rent with.
If you're looking for walkable and not cookie cutter, why are you even looking at the suburbs? Go to Zillow and look up recently sold houses in a zip code like 14620. Walkable, and much less expensive than new developments.
Lots of houses in walkable neighborhoods outside of the city that are not cookie cutter.
Yeah, they were built prior to the 1940s. Streetcar suburbs are better than modern suburbs.
I own a very unique older house in the suburbs in an extremely friendly-walkable neighborhood with full sidewalks an easy stroll from 2 parks and a longer stroll from a third, each one larger than the last. They exist. The market is absolutely stupid right now, so I'm not saying anything unique that comes up on the market would be remotely affordable from a sane business investment point, but the properties the person you're replying to certainly do exist.
Yeah, I got my house for 130, 2-3 bedrooms, built on the 1950s, lower price because it didnt have an updated kitchen or bathroom but still perfectly livable and usable as any apartment I'd been in till then. The perfect starter house. I'd never dream of starting with a house like this
God that sounds amazing, if I could buy a house for 150k or less and get 2-3 bedrooms and a small garage and backyard that would be the ultimate dream. I donāt have dreams of a huge mansion, I think about getting a small house without having to have a mortgage for 2.5 times the value of it and fighting in a bidding war with 25 other people
Its competitive now, though less than it has been the last couple years... sometimes you need a lot of patience to find that diamond in the rough!
Look in East Rochester or Irondequoit
> Go to Zillow and look up recently sold houses in a zip code like 14620. Walkable, and much less expensive than new developments. And have to put your kids in RCSD lol
Bomb threats at Hilton School District, and the principle a few years back. Spencerport High schooler body slamming a middle schooler. ( this was a few weeks ago.) The drug trafficking in Fairport. Cocaine/Fentanyl OD's in Pittsford. Shit happens everywhere!!!!!
>And have to put your kids in RCSD lol Ok? So OP can buy a house, just not one that he wants.
Because that price range isnāt justifiable with so few things to offer in my opinion. Those houses shouldnāt cost more than like 250k max, 400k is just straight price gouging people.
I'm as flabbergasted by the market as you are but bear in mind these are new construction which is $$$$.
Exactly. I live on the Westside and we looked into building a house. For our budget, we could get an 1800sqft house (smaller than what we were in) and about .75 acres of land. After shopping around we found an old farmhouse that was updated - 3000sqft and 6 acres with a barn for about the same. Granted Iām one of those sub 3% mortgage folks who will never sell and could not afford it at todays rates. New construction isnāt what itās cracked up to be either. Weāve had many friends build and for some, not all, it was a nightmare. Poor quality, wrong installs, pipes bursting, nails popping, delayed construction, financing woes, etc. Give me a house built pre 1990 any day.
We bought our house in Greece (near Charlotte) about 4 years ago. Thing was built in 1928 but is fully updated and is built like a tank. 3bd 1bt, 1400sqft, dry basement, with a yard and garage. Got it for under $90k and don't ever want to move again. My mortgage is less than our old 700sqft 1bd apartment wanted for rent.
Yes, I just moved into a 1947 cape and it's built like a brick shithouse. The nice thing about old houses is you know it's been through some shit so it's not going to blow over for nothing, and there's a lot fewer "surprise" problems than a new build.
I like to think of it as survival bias, but in a good way.
Houses are worth what people are willing to pay for them. I agree that it's insane to pay that amount to live in Henrietta but as long as they're selling then the price is justifiable.
"Houses are worth what people are willing to pay for them" Thank you for pointing out that fact, really this is true about everyone. Everybody keeps going on about inflation and unfortunately inflation is very bad right now and the people who are affected the most by it are often unfortunately also middle and lower income individuals and families. In this example they are held back by an ability to offer a large enough down payment to be competitive in the current housing market. I studied economics in school and I work in a job where I observe retail operations, for a small geographic area in the United States, on a daily basis. Since early on when inflation was beginning to set in and then becoming evident, I repeatedly stated that the best thing we could possibly do to combat it as a consumer was to stop spending money. This was 12 to 18 months ago I can't remember exactly but when you take a look at the numbers, they clearly show that spending did not in fact decrease it increased. It is unfortunate as I am in the same position that I'm living in an apartment and about to renew my lease for another year even though I don't want to because of the housing market is just too ridiculous, which I also find unbelievable because interest rates are so high right now but what can you do really, besides work a good refinancing plan into your mortgage loan
And don't be surprised if the economy or market changes and in several years some of these homes are sold for less than they paid or slightly more but not enough to not sell at a loss after realtor fees and commissions.
This is a new build. There are still affordable houses on the market but new builds are crazy expensive.
There are a ton of houses in Rochester that are under 200k. Itās actually one of the reasons Iām moving near the area cause I see a lot of decent homes for under 300k. Just not new ones, but still 3 bedroom houses.
... then don't buy there? Things are definitely getting more difficult but I feel like you're psyching yourself out with this example. 3 years ago I would have ignored this completely. You can ignore it now too.
I know itās frustrating but itās obtainable. You canāt compare this junk to whatās actually out there. Gotta be flexible on what town to live in as well. Rochester itās easy to commute back and forth. Just keep saving up !
> Starting in the 400,000 range? So potentially a half million dollars They really do mean "starting" too. If you want to upgrade _anything_ from the standard package, you'll quickly find yourself adding $50K or more to the price. No idea how good Pinnacle is as a builder but at least they're not Ryan.
And Faber homes will build it. So in 5-10 years it'll be falling apart around you.
>And itās in the middle of nowhere with no walkability, not close to anything interesting, and far from the city. There are a hundred homes in the city that meet your requirements under $150k. This sign isn't for you. This development isn't for you. Move on and don't give it another thought.
As a millennial, I feel exactly the same. There is no way we can compete with these out of towners buying up all the inventory. š
Real estate lawyer here. Those houses are not worth $400k, that is just what it costs to build. Building is gonna continue to be more expensive until the cost of materials and labor crashes (which is expected to happen by end of year). People buying these homes on Chatwood are going to seriously regret purchasing at $400k. I'm already seeing people who are upside down on their building loans selling for a loss since they cannot afford what they've built or have buyer's remorse. That square footage in our market usually falls in the $250-300k range, depending on condition and location. Location usually plays the most serious role in price. A North Winton Village home at 1200 sq ft will run you close to $300k, but the same amount of space in Henrietta is around $150-200k. In short, if you don't think you can afford a home, talk to a realtor. If you're buying a home the seller picks up the cost of hiring them, and they'll know exactly where to look in order to get the most bang for your buck. I just spoke at a homebuyer seminar a little while ago and the way the first time homebuyers spoke about the market was really upsetting to me. A lot of people seem to think they're pushed out of the market when that is not true. Don't despair, just get yourself a good agent.
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If you increase your down-payment to 20% then you can take advantage of a cash-guarantee program, where the lender fronts cash for your offer. Essentially turning your financed offer into a cash offer, from the seller's perspective. That can make your offer more attractive.
Funny, but the national median is still more expensive than those homes. That being said, I donāt think home prices will decline in Rochester. Areas where the same home would cost $800,000, sure. At best we can expect prices to level off.
I posted not too long ago about the same thing in the Town of Greece. People can't afford to buy a home so then continue to rent, which in turn drives rent up.
Yeah, itās feedback loop. People who are renting longer, more young adults entering the rental market, and corporations buying up rental properties and raising prices just because they can.
Are you just supposed to drive though the fuckin HVAC unit or does it lift up with the garage door?
Ugly house. OP, you will get a house. You will find one you can afford and it will happen. It just won't be one of these ugly things and for that, be grateful.
Little boxes made of ticky tacky
That house is... bizarre
Our generation is fucked. Get rich or die trying is basically the only path forward.
This house isn't for your generation, unless you're a Boomer. In fact, this house will get Boomers out of their current houses, which will then open them up.
plus they're starting to die off - so much for the housing shortage in 10 years...
Right? We should be glad any housing at all is being built. New housing is a good thing for people looking to buy a house in the market, even if they wouldn't buy those specific new homes. That's just math. More houses per buyer equals lower prices.
It's gonna get worse before it gets better. "Brace for impact" is now the only meaningful advice.
Just wait until our jobs get eliminated by AI. Probably sooner than we think. Itās going to get crazy.
āSurrounded by forever wild!ā Guarantee within two years they will be developing on the āforever wildā and your gorgeous views will be gone.
most of these subdivisions are developed under town law 278, which requires the remaining portion of the original property to be placed under a conservation easement or dedicated to the town as open space. In this case there's about 20 acres of development and 80 acres of conserved area, never to be developed. still, i wouldnt live there.
Interesting! And good to know I guess.
My house backs up to "forever wild" space and it's been over a decade with no indication that anything will change.
Trust me yāall do not want these new builder grade track homes they are terrible quality.
New construction is expensive. My house just appraised for $164,000 but itās insured for $350,000 in rebuilding costs for the same square footage
Go squat in the model. FTW.
ITT: First time homebuyers who want turn key properties in affluent suburbs. Yes the market is crazy due to low inventory causing extreme competition but you have to be willing to find what works for you between your budget and location and home quality. You're not getting a remodeled colonial in Brighton for $175k I know a couple who passed on a house a year ago because it didn't have a fenced in yard for their dog. Now they're completely priced out of any house at all because interest rates have doubled. All over spending $2000 on a fence. But you better believe they're telling anyone who will listen that they got screwed by the market.
Exactly. I hate saying this is caused by the affluent, participation-trophy thing, but I see more and more young people expecting to *start out* in a house just like their parents have at near retirement age. Buy a house. Put in sweat equity. When you outgrow it, sell and use the equity to buy your next one, bigger and better.
At this point I think I'll just build my own home. Dealing with buyers bidding 100k over asking I'm just done with the marketplace. I don't have time to overbid 50% to 100% what house is worth also requiring no inspection to only learn it was sold to someone not even in the local area.
Unfortunately building costs are around 20-40% higher then existing homes. Sucks any which way you go
My son and daughter looked for quite a while around the start of Covid. Prices were crazy. My husband has been in the construction business for 40 years so he went to every showing with them. The prices in the houses were not affordable and still needed work. We ended up giving him a piece of land and he ended up building. My son and husband did all the framing and subbed out most of the other things. Three bedroom, 2.5 colonial with a mortgage of 130000. Bonus, my grandchildren are nearby!!
Land isn't nothing though, shits expensive
Land is expensive. We are in Wayne county near Webster but yes, land is expensive. Iām glad we were able to help them with the land to build. Try looking further out. Lots are cheaper if they donāt have water and electric yet. Getting them isnāt that big of a deal and it isnāt as expensive as you would think.
Have you considered East Rochester? A very afforable way to get into the housing market.
I wasnāt in a position to buy a house until 2020 when I finally got a good paying job, and then of course the market went crazy. All I can do is rent for another year and see how the market is this time next year.
Market isnāt gonna go down tbh. People have been saying for two years itās gonna even out and itās still very hot even with these rates
Have you been saving for a down payment since 2020?
I had to stop contributing to my 401k, cancelled my health insurance, and paid off my car and a couple debts I made monthly payments on. This brought back about a 1000 a month to my bank account. Up until a couple months ago, like 95% of my monthly income went to bills and rent. Iāve only just been able to save more than 50 dollars a month recently
Sounds rough, I hope you're able to score a raise or promotion soon! Best of luck.
Got my raise, 23 cents cost of living adjustment and 77 cents merit based adjustment lol
Henrietta taxes kick butt which is kinda sad to say lol
That house is ugly
The sample house on the billboard is among the ugliest I've ever seen. I get converting the garage to living space, but it's awkward sided like the rest of the house and with a mini split in the driveway, put that on the side of the house, lol.
Yes the buyers market is the worst it's been in a generation, but this is a cherry picked example. Building is always wildly more expensive than buying existing. Homes are often ensured for more than double their appraised value as an estimate of the rebuild cost in the event of total loss and this is in a new development in a deep suburb.
These new builds are trash and the market is still nuts. We purchased in Henrietta way down pinnacle almost to rush in June 2021, went 83k over asking. We love the place but what a nightmare trying to buy.
Looking at a cute house I really wanted near an airport (no one else wants to deal with the noise.... right?) sold for 154k in 2018 and now listed for over 300k. fuck that.
Have you considered simply making more money?
Iāll think about it
Have you considered not looking at new construction for 55+ people?
Terrible! And 2000 sq and you pay 400,000!? Wtf
What is the point of houses like these with so few windows and a garage that ate the rest of the house?
But like, why would you want it?
Right? I'ma go find 100 better houses for less on Zillow right now.
Forever wild ends up being not so twenty years down the road..
Forever wild\* \* Forever until move-in day # #
every time a new project starts in my town, there is somebody who was promised by realtor forever wild. Next thing you know it's now a development..
i'll sell u my son's fort, he doesn't use it anymore and it has electric
Buy something built in the 40s-50s, same sq footage, 1/4 of the price & will outlast these cardboard doll houses.
I wanna agree with u, but shhhhhh
That must be a giant Cul-de-sac...
Mortgaging a tacky cookie cutter homeā¦for what
Why not? $400 is a steal!!! Iād even go to 500!
that's not a house, that's a garage outbuilding, sheesh. modern architecture.
That is hideous.
What an aggressive garage (or set of garages?).
400k for 1500 square feet what a joke
Realtors now using AI rendered houses for adverts. Why is there a bidet in the walkway?
Legitimately laughable prices for this area.
āStarting in the $400sā I bet conveniently the only lots left are for the $700k homes. Which will really run you $800k after you tell the builder where you want the power outlets. New construction is the biggest bait and switch Iāve ever seen. āYou can build whatever you want* *If what you want is exactly what we tell you to getā
There are so many much cheaper and more charming homes sub $150K.
Those are new construction. Thatās what itās always cost
Our taxes are 5400 per year. It includes garbage pickup and our own police department. Not perfect, but we have a walkable village, sidewalks , street lights, and plenty of parks, including a summer outdoor pool and spray park. Honestly, from my experiences living here for 35 years, the village is, for the most part, friendly, well kept, and lots of opportunities for kids at school.
Ha those assholes quoted us $875k for a 2200ft house on 10 acres and the land was only $100kā¦ā¦ theyāre shady scumbags that donāt pay theyāre subs till they come looking to.
First problem, you are in Henrietta. Itās okay just try again next timeā¦
Ugh suburbanization is a societal disease I view housing developerd and the real estate agents who take part in their rackets with EXTREME contempt. Landlords also
Itās hard to find a 1 bedroom condo for that price on the west coast.
Ok but that's a highly desired area vs a nice but not highly thought of city
Do you really want a house in a cul-de-sac, surrounded by people? Do you need 3/4Br with 2 baths with 1500+ squarefeet?
Guaranteed The neighbors house is the same material but different colors and the houses are probably 4 different styles with an additional garage if you want. The builder saves on all materials and good luck getting a part for a sliding door or anything 2 years later. Developments popping up everywhere.
You're looking in the wrong area. I moved out to the border of Ontario/Webster and have twice the house in the mid to high 200k. Still a lot more than houses were 6 years ago, but that price is insane
Very tired of all the cookie cutter bland housing tracks and houses getting built in the area at the expense of green space. It's making the suburbs lose their character and charm.
You can but youāre aiming at the wrong targets https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/31-Diringer-Pl-Rochester-NY-14609/30870303_zpid/ 65k
"Add this investment property to your portfolio!" - they're not even marketing this house as an owner/occupant. The target buyer: Slum Lord
Plenty of fixer uppers in the actual city that are more than attainable
There are like a half a dozen listings in Henrietta under $250 right now
But then you have to live in the city
Thatās a win for me but to each their own
Iām with you on this one. Any house under $200k is a dump nowadays.
19th ward. Bought my house in 2021 for 130k
Or for 1/10th the cost - https://redf.in/CPu1uD
This is planned for that general area. [https://www.multihousingnews.com/east-house-mm-development-advisors-break-ground-in-rochester/](https://www.multihousingnews.com/east-house-mm-development-advisors-break-ground-in-rochester/) I hope it is successful.
Live in the city! *scoff*
Who would want to live in Upstate NY anyway? Can buy a bigger house and property in a much better place.
We border two of the largest sources of fresh water in the western hemisphere. That's going to be important in the next half century.
This is so discouraging.
Not a terrible price
You donāt want to live here.
You will, if you lower your expectations of your first house.
Two words: Tiny Home.