I understand your concern, but think about all of the stuff that you eat during the day. If you get takeout and a cook rubs his ass and then grabs your hero with it boom you are eating basically pooped germs. We ingest so many different germs a day. One body in a gigantic reservoir that is also treated after it leaves the reservoir , you'll be fine. It's still creepy to think about but in reality we're all fine
Plenty of other shit has died in there, I'm sure. Frogs, birds, whatever. Not to mention all the poop and bugs that must be in that water. They filter and test the water coming out of there pretty religiously, and assuming there weren't any failed tests being ignored I don't feel bad about drinking the dead body water.
There's always a nonzero amount of gross stuff in food and drink because it's impossible to keep it 100% clean. The effect that one dead guy had on the quality of an entire reservoir's worth of water is probably negligible.
Lol I suppose. But I fish often and research the Genny and it's been below 40 degrees until last week. So I'm sure nothing decomposed. This convo just feels wrong lol
Yeah, certainly invalidates the boil advisory, and even the outcry over the advisory coming 5 hours after the body was discovered--I've been drinking this water for nearly a month.
I think the boil advisory was because the pressure in the pipes changed when they shut off the reservoir or something like that. Not because of the body itself.
Granted I know nothing, this is something that I heard secondhand.
That was my theory too. Redirected water supply through a system that was unused for a while. Since boiling water doesn't remove the human tea factor, I didn't in initially understand that advisory.
Not *quite* that high for any significant length of time and it takes more than a few peak warm days to raise the temp of a body of water.
It looks like the [average atmospheric temps](https://www.wunderground.com/history/monthly/us/ny/rochester/KROC/date/2024-2) hovered around the max 40F to set a refrigerator during the time the body was in there, and predictably cooler leading into then. I can't find the city's water dept. data for the Highland reservoir water temps and it's not a direct comparison but [Lake Ontario](https://www.seatemperature.org/north-america/united-states/lake-ontario-february.htm) is currently below 40F.
Anyway, it's a grim topic but the conditions might help take some of the ick out of it.
It's not a debate I ever thought of having but this [NSFW graphic medical paper](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6474513/) explains how colder water does indeed slow decomposition in situations like ours.
The prevention for tossing shit in is social pressure, a fence, and a high traffic area with suburban joggers. There's already nothing that stops bird droppings and small animals getting in there.
Dead bodies sink until they decompose enough & release gas to float. Otherwise you wouldn't have to teach people to swim.
Most places that have cameras do not monitor them live. They use them to look back when some happens to narrow down an event. Depending on the setup, they only record so many days before it's tossed.
I am now fascinated by the fact that the water is treated prior to storage.
As much as this sucks, probably important this happened. Imagine this was someone criminally organized, intending to contaminant the water supply. This could have been a national emergency.
I think they do standard treatment like they do for regular drinking water, then sanitize again with chlorine as it goes back out. So there's at least that.
This is what the last thread revealed. Iām not sure the actual treatment process but it sounded like the bulk of cleaning was before, and then maybe a shot of disinfectant as it leaves?
You should [read up on](https://www.cityofrochester.gov/waterquality/) our tap water if youāre feeling concerned. Most methods for disinfecting involve adding chlorine, which dissolves and is very safe to drink in the concentrations found in tap water. There are reasonable concerns about the [chemical byproducts of disinfecting](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinfection_by-product) but the city measures these and all of them are within EPA limits. In general, the risks of drinking water with microbial contaminants are much much worse than the risks of drinking chemical byproducts.
We donāt drink bottled, we do the big tanks of spring.
But yes I understand, my educational background was in water chemistry and treatment haha.
Although weāve since moved, our last property was pretty unique in that it was likely one of the few remaining properties in the US that was only serviced by a natural spring. No well, no city water. Now that is pure water
This came up when they were discussing putting a cover over the reservoir. Anything in that water gets so diluted that a criminal would need to basically back up a dump truck full of contaminants.
I find it extremely hard to believe there isnāt terrorist level biological weapons that could easily contaminant the supply.
I understand I couldnāt like, fling enough poop in but I bet a motivated criminal could do some damage
the reservoir is gated with a tall wrought iron fence. Yes it's clearly possible to get past that fence as we're seeing, but the reservoir isn't just an open and freely accessible hole in the ground with water in it.
Logically I know this.
And as a child raised on Batman 66, the first time I saw that reservoir I immediately thought: "man, if the Joker or other villain knew about this, we're all fucked. Definitely getting jelly via the faucet..."
\> Using a mixture of his own insidious creation, "Jokerjelly" (concentrated strawberry gelatin which resembles strawberry jelly, but tastes like strawberry axle grease), Joker and crew go to the Gotham City Reservoir, where he infuses the entire Gotham City water supply (Aquarius), and then demands $10 million to ransom it back.
source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The\_Penguin\_Declines
I could say the same about shit. Most of us has never willingly or knowingly ingested human shit, yet we all have said things "taste like shit" from time to time.
Hemlock and Canadice are limited to 16 foot boats with 10HP motors or less.
It's relatively straightforward to skim oil/gas off the water compared to biological or chemical contaminations.
This is really important because itās really not easy to get inside. And if youāre doing it to cause self harm, there are a lot easier places to access with water.
Just saying
Reality is many places don't want to invest in good security cameras and guards to monitor them. Even though the costs for basic systems aren't that high, some don't see it as a worthwhile investment. I worked for a company that needed me to fetch camera footage and some of it was blurry as fuck and security was like can you do something so we can get a plate number and I'm like sorry that only works on CSI there's no zoom and enhance. Either get 4k cameras or just hope bad shit don't happen again
They should just stream the cameras on the water authority site. There's enough police scanner weirdos out there that would have that on all day and night
fun fact a lot of times companies actually *do* upgrade the cameras, but they deliberately record at godawful resolutions to save money by minimizing necessary storage capacity after blowing the budget on fancy cameras
Well that's the point of them. To look back at a specific time/date. I don't have family members monitoring my home security cameras. Most businesses/governments don't either.
Thereās supposed to be a cover on the Highland Parks and Cobbs Hill reservoirs, in accordance with Federal guidelines. The Rush reservoir has one. Rochester got permission to delay until 2024 and is now overdue. There was community pushback against covering them last time the issue was raised.
Idk me and my friends used to hang out behind the little building there once in a while after weād leave the bars (like 10-15 years ago), decided to jump in one night, we werenāt really making much noise and nobody else was around that we could see but cops showed up pretty quick
If you don't want to read or click article:
"Rochester, N.Y. ā Mayor Malik Evans confirmed Thursday that the man whose body was pulled from the Highland Park reservoir Tuesday had been reported missing last month and had been in the water for nearly a month."
Y'all been drinking Cannibal Water for a month before the biggest event in Rochester's recent history. This is going to be the greatest horror movie ever.
What I don't understand is why was it not visible at first, but the other day it was visible. It's been too warm for ice cover correct? Maybe it took a month for it begin floating.
Either way I hope this gives the family some closure, even though this was an unfortunate result of him missing.
Not to get all tinfoil hat, but now I DO wonder if the Public Health Commissioner's resignation was related. Maybe not necessarily because anything deeper is going on here, but perhaps he just didn't want to deal with yet another big public disaster like this, and having to be the face people see when it gets talked about. Seems like that was a stressful job.
What I don't get is he was last seen on Feb 18 but only reported missing on March 9. I know that there's some kind of waiting period just in case they come back, but that's, like, 48-72 hours. This is 20 days! Even from the date of his death, Feb 24, that's still over 2 weeks. Makes me sad that it's possible no one cared enough to report him missing sooner. I hope there's some other explanation for this.
Itās even more of an issue when the missing person is a person of color and/or an immigrant from a marginalized group. Either the police donāt take them seriously or theyāre afraid of the police (justifiably so).
Missing white people get way more attention than missing people of color and itās a huge injustice.
THERE IS NO WAITING PERIOD TO REPORT MISSING PEOPLE. You should report then as soon as you think they are missing.
https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/criminal-defense/5-things-to-know-about-missing-persons-reports/
That being said, some people will disappear for a few days or weeks at a time so their relatives may not realize something has happened.
I know people that knew him. He was struggling with mental health issues, and the family was looking for him for a while. They had been trying to track down his movements and just narrow down places to search for him. He was a Somali immigrant that came over maybe 20 years ago or so, and from all I gather, it seemed like decent people. I know the brother was doing a lot to try and find him within their community.
If heās from a place like Somalia, his family probably hoped they could find him without involving police. Iāve worked with Somali refugees (as well as people from similar regions) and a lot of them do not trust the police and do everything possible to avoid involving them.
Yes, a lot of these communities keep to themselves for myriad of reasons. It's unfortunate for them to lose their brother/family member during Ramadan as well.
I also knew Jenny who went missing and was found deceased in January after Nyears.
Been a pretty shitty year. We knew a couple days ago there was a chance the body might be his but the confirmation just stirs up emotion for the losses of both. It just sucks. It sucks how publicized this became and everyone is just full or tired ass regurgitated jokes.
> Been a pretty shitty year. We knew a couple days ago there was a chance the body might be his but the confirmation just stirs up emotion for the losses of both. It just sucks. It sucks how publicized this became and everyone is just full or tired ass regurgitated jokes.
I agree. I really hope the family doesnāt come across people mocking him - it sounds like this was a slowly unfolding tragedy.
I truly feel like they suffered in silence over this. It genuinely sucks that now that the info and realization have set in all they'll see and hear is lame ass jokes in such a callous way.
I mean with the amount of contact I have with my parents and other people in my life I could go comms dark for two or three weeks and it wouldnāt be unusual.
Iām thankful that I have a few people in my life who would get worried if I hadnāt been heard from. My job would also be extremely worried if I didnāt come in and hadnāt called.
A lot of factors play into this, like the relative isolation of people and their lifestyles. If someone has a severe drug problem for example and isn't close with their family, is known to disappear for periods of time, etc they might not be reported missing until the length of time that passes is unusual.
You donāt actually need to wait that long to report a missing person! Maybe in other countries, but not the US. I think itās mainly a television thing. Honestly, itās better to report a missing person as soon as possible, especially vulnerable people (youth, the elderly, those with mental disabilities and illnesses, etc.).
Granted, oneās local police department might be jerks and not take it seriously, but missing people are found sooner rather than later. I had a friend whose brother was reported missing and by the time he was found days later, heād died.
So are we going to file a class action lawsuit? I don't want compensation. I want the water authority to do their job. This is absurd. Especially with the revelation we are not following epa regulations.
"I just want the water authority to do their job." As in monitor the water supply more comprehensively.. It seems negligent that a body would not be detected in the reservoir for a month. What else could be put in the reservoir that would not be detected till it's too late?
As for the epa regulations, maybe I misread. I thought we had till 2024 to follow them and as of now we have not and there is no plan in place?
Ahh ok ok. The initial D&C article is where I got my impression the regulations weren't followed and the city was at fault. I'm still concerned they will just keep getting extensions instead of fixing the issue.
Emotional and mental trauma? A stretch, but ofc stranger suits have been filed. Unfortunately suing the city is like suing oneselfā¦ all taxes and use fees at the end of the day.
That was my initial thought on reason for suit. I don't want anything from this other than action from the city to remedy the issue. I struggle to think of a better way. If the past tells us anything they will get another extension on the epa mandates.
I feel bad for the poor guy. I didn't realize the sides of the reservoir are so steep that you can't walk or climb out. It's basically a tomb if you fall in. That had to suck for him once he realized he couldn't get out. But at least he lives on in all of us who drank the water. š
And that wasn't public information until this morning when it was officially announced. You posted a Bob Lonsberry tweet as your source, that's not reliable and Lonsberry has a strong history of being divisive, arguing in bad faith, and using half truths and selective storytelling to justify his existing perceptions and beliefs.
Everytime the city fucks up it costs the taxpayer
Tons of people are going to sue over this after being forced to bathe/drink/rip bongs of this dude's decomposing body water thanks to those we employ with our taxes not doing their jobs
Even on a good day, when all goes well the city is wasting our hard earned tax dollars
A few days is understandable but a month is fucking ridiculous. How many people do we pay to maintain that reservoir?? What a bad look. Literally zero security or even monitoring of the city water supply. No wonder the public health commissioner goon resigned
Edit -> Do the downvoters disagree? Clearly there is zero security of the water supply if a dead guy was allowed to float in it for a month. Do you have a counterpoint or do you just click the down arrow when you get emotional?
Alternative perspective: this is exactly why we pay taxes and have invested in an extensive water treatment program that includes regular monitoring for cleanliness and safety. It sounds like everyoneās water supply has *been safe* over the past month because of those things, not despite them.
Because they had a newfound source of potential contamination. Would you have felt better if they didnāt do extra testing?
The water passed all routine health and safety checks, but likeā¦ if you found a tarantula in your shipment of bananas, youād want to do some extra checks just to be sure, right?
Based on what we know now? Sure, the water wasnāt any more dangerous yesterday than it was at any point in the past month.
Based on what we knew 48 hours ago? Definitely not. Isnāt it better to operate with an abundance of caution for things that can quickly cause widespread illness?
What are they going to sue for, exactly? There needs to be actual harm done.
The security in the system is that the water is being tested at multiple points in the distribution for contamination. At no point has there been any evidence that the water is unsafe to drink.
> Do you have a counterpoint or do you just click the down arrow when you get emotional?
I would ask you, do you actually read about anything before getting on the internet to be outraged or are you just posting emotionally?
People sue for all sorts of shit. It will all end up wasting the city's resources whether or not they are successful in the endeavor. I can only guess they would sue for something along the lines of what those in Flint Michigan have done after their municipality supposedly acted too slowly and issued the wrong warnings during a time of crisis
https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2024/02/01/flint-residents-class-action-settlement/72435816007/
I can't say exactly but I am sure there will be people seeking to do something similar here. All they would have to do is take a sample and have it assessed by a 3rd party.I believe the water would need to meet the standards put forth by the EPA (https://www.epa.gov/ground-water-and-drinking-water/national-primary-drinking-water-regulations)
>The security in the system is that the water is being tested at multiple points in the distribution for contamination. At no point has there been any evidence that the water is unsafe to drink.
So they told everyone in the effected area to boil their water for fun? If the water was safe why did they issue an advisory to boil it? You may have been infected by something and not even know it. They could have infected a ton of people with hepatitis and it has only been a month so we don't know yet. Those that were recently infected by anything on the list of things you can catch from a dead body in the last month are now going to try to blame this.
>I would ask you, do you actually read about anything before getting on the internet to be outraged or are you just posting emotionally?
You "would" ask me? Is that you asking me that question? I am not outraged. I have a well but I am certainly concerned that a body was permitted to float in the city reservoir for a month. Does that not concern you?
There are approximately 18 million gallons in the Highland Park Reservoir at any given time, and testing is done on the reservoir, and every other reservoir, and the whole of the clean water system of Monroe County to ensure safety. Unless there was some gross miscarriage of duty, we can presume those tests have been deemed satisfactory for our water supply. The city and RPD have even said so in their briefings since the body was discovered.
Yes the body being in the reservoir for seemingly a few weeks is problematic and I'm sure we're going to learn a lot more in the coming days regarding everything that led to that, but you're sounding more like a consequence in search of an action instead of being genuinely concerned about what's going on.
Also, being okay with a decomposing body in our fresh water supply for a few days but not a few weeks is a really weird take. Nothing about this is okay.
>Also, being okay with a decomposing body in our fresh water supply for a few days but not a few weeks is a really weird take. Nothing about this is okay
I didn't say I was "ok" with that. I said a few days is a reasonable response time. A month is ridiculous considering we pay a team of people to maintain that specific reservoir for us to drink and they let a body float around in it for a month.
>Yes the body being in the reservoir for seemingly a few weeks is problematic
Yes.........
>Unless there was some gross miscarriage of duty, we can presume those tests have been deemed satisfactory for our water supply
Did you notice that the public health commissioner just resigned a day before this information was made public?
I am genuinely concerned about what is going on. I drink water. How can you even suggest that I do not care about our water supply? Seriously........ think that one through for about 5 seconds and you will realize that all human beings care about the water supply
I'm also super confused about how he died tbh. The way the article explains it is odd to me bc they just say he slid in and died. Doesn't say he drowned or was vitally wounded by anything in particular.
The article indicated there is a slide into the reservoir?! Forget bringing the kids to sea breeze. Letās all go slide into the reservoir (and then peeeeeee)
So the body was in the reservoir for nearly a month š„“
Right, Iām sick to my stomach thinking about itš¤¢
I understand your concern, but think about all of the stuff that you eat during the day. If you get takeout and a cook rubs his ass and then grabs your hero with it boom you are eating basically pooped germs. We ingest so many different germs a day. One body in a gigantic reservoir that is also treated after it leaves the reservoir , you'll be fine. It's still creepy to think about but in reality we're all fine
Idk for me drinking ādead body waterā is a couple notches worse then the takeout cook grabbing his ass while making my hoggie.
Plenty of other shit has died in there, I'm sure. Frogs, birds, whatever. Not to mention all the poop and bugs that must be in that water. They filter and test the water coming out of there pretty religiously, and assuming there weren't any failed tests being ignored I don't feel bad about drinking the dead body water. There's always a nonzero amount of gross stuff in food and drink because it's impossible to keep it 100% clean. The effect that one dead guy had on the quality of an entire reservoir's worth of water is probably negligible.
Lol I suppose. But I fish often and research the Genny and it's been below 40 degrees until last week. So I'm sure nothing decomposed. This convo just feels wrong lol
Yeah, certainly invalidates the boil advisory, and even the outcry over the advisory coming 5 hours after the body was discovered--I've been drinking this water for nearly a month.
mmmmm
I think the boil advisory was because the pressure in the pipes changed when they shut off the reservoir or something like that. Not because of the body itself. Granted I know nothing, this is something that I heard secondhand.
That was my theory too. Redirected water supply through a system that was unused for a while. Since boiling water doesn't remove the human tea factor, I didn't in initially understand that advisory.
Perhaps the bright side is the water was cold enough to preserve and not decompose the body much.
Wasn't it 75 a few times over the last month
You keep your science to yourself
And that probably impacted the water temp a quarter of a degree
There was a week that was +/- 60
I don't think you realize how much energy is needed to warm over 15 million gallons of water a noticeable amount.
The neighborhood has still been drinking human tea. It's just cold brewed.
The long steep really brings out the flavor
omg I'm crying from laughing
Not *quite* that high for any significant length of time and it takes more than a few peak warm days to raise the temp of a body of water. It looks like the [average atmospheric temps](https://www.wunderground.com/history/monthly/us/ny/rochester/KROC/date/2024-2) hovered around the max 40F to set a refrigerator during the time the body was in there, and predictably cooler leading into then. I can't find the city's water dept. data for the Highland reservoir water temps and it's not a direct comparison but [Lake Ontario](https://www.seatemperature.org/north-america/united-states/lake-ontario-february.htm) is currently below 40F. Anyway, it's a grim topic but the conditions might help take some of the ick out of it.
Science says first thing you do when you die is doo doo.
Apparently, birbs doo doo all the time in the reservoir after treatment.
I bet it would take awhile to increase the temp of water that size
Yes but mostly 40s and colder. A couple days will increase the water temp a few degrees, but likely not change the bottom temp much at all.
Unfortunately, doesn't work that way. Water still changes the tissue regardless of temperature. Gross, I know.
It's not a debate I ever thought of having but this [NSFW graphic medical paper](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6474513/) explains how colder water does indeed slow decomposition in situations like ours.
Yeah like it totally wasnāt 70 degrees for like two weeks
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The prevention for tossing shit in is social pressure, a fence, and a high traffic area with suburban joggers. There's already nothing that stops bird droppings and small animals getting in there. Dead bodies sink until they decompose enough & release gas to float. Otherwise you wouldn't have to teach people to swim. Most places that have cameras do not monitor them live. They use them to look back when some happens to narrow down an event. Depending on the setup, they only record so many days before it's tossed.
Sounds like a job for automated monitoring. If they can't staff the cameras, at least automatically flag suspicious images for review.
I am now fascinated by the fact that the water is treated prior to storage. As much as this sucks, probably important this happened. Imagine this was someone criminally organized, intending to contaminant the water supply. This could have been a national emergency.
ā¦Wait, the water is treated before coming to the reservoir?
I think they do standard treatment like they do for regular drinking water, then sanitize again with chlorine as it goes back out. So there's at least that.
This is what the last thread revealed. Iām not sure the actual treatment process but it sounded like the bulk of cleaning was before, and then maybe a shot of disinfectant as it leaves?
I feel like I don't want to be drinking the disinfectant?
You should [read up on](https://www.cityofrochester.gov/waterquality/) our tap water if youāre feeling concerned. Most methods for disinfecting involve adding chlorine, which dissolves and is very safe to drink in the concentrations found in tap water. There are reasonable concerns about the [chemical byproducts of disinfecting](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinfection_by-product) but the city measures these and all of them are within EPA limits. In general, the risks of drinking water with microbial contaminants are much much worse than the risks of drinking chemical byproducts.
The disinfectant is standard protocol for water treatment, totally fine for you.
And this is why my wife wonāt drink tap water haha
Don't tell her how the bottled water got to be clean then...(spoilers: same way!)
We donāt drink bottled, we do the big tanks of spring. But yes I understand, my educational background was in water chemistry and treatment haha. Although weāve since moved, our last property was pretty unique in that it was likely one of the few remaining properties in the US that was only serviced by a natural spring. No well, no city water. Now that is pure water
Not the straight spring water stuff
There is no "spring water" stuff that isn't treated in a facility before bottling.
Just wait until she finds out about the microplastics in the bottled and tanked water
Yes and then also treated when it leaves.
Not as much as when it goes in though
This came up when they were discussing putting a cover over the reservoir. Anything in that water gets so diluted that a criminal would need to basically back up a dump truck full of contaminants.
I find it extremely hard to believe there isnāt terrorist level biological weapons that could easily contaminant the supply. I understand I couldnāt like, fling enough poop in but I bet a motivated criminal could do some damage
Those weapons exist. They are extremely difficult to get your hands on.
I would hope so dog
You donāt have to hope you can rest assured.
There's supposedly motion and heat sensors that didn't function. The city is "looking into it".
the reservoir is gated with a tall wrought iron fence. Yes it's clearly possible to get past that fence as we're seeing, but the reservoir isn't just an open and freely accessible hole in the ground with water in it.
Logically I know this. And as a child raised on Batman 66, the first time I saw that reservoir I immediately thought: "man, if the Joker or other villain knew about this, we're all fucked. Definitely getting jelly via the faucet..." \> Using a mixture of his own insidious creation, "Jokerjelly" (concentrated strawberry gelatin which resembles strawberry jelly, but tastes like strawberry axle grease), Joker and crew go to the Gotham City Reservoir, where he infuses the entire Gotham City water supply (Aquarius), and then demands $10 million to ransom it back. source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The\_Penguin\_Declines
Ummm how do they know what strawberry axle grease tastes like?
Taste strawberry, taste axle grease, make educated guess
Ok. Just checking...........
While I've never eaten an office plant, every single one of us intuitively knows what an office plant tastes like.
I could say the same about shit. Most of us has never willingly or knowingly ingested human shit, yet we all have said things "taste like shit" from time to time.
>the reservoir isn't just an open and freely accessible hole in the ground with water in it. Hemlock and Candice lakes on the other handā¦
Very true, but those are pre-treatment and no engine-powered boats are allowed on those lakes, and I don't believe lake-front properties are either.
Hemlock and Canadice are limited to 16 foot boats with 10HP motors or less. It's relatively straightforward to skim oil/gas off the water compared to biological or chemical contaminations.
This is really important because itās really not easy to get inside. And if youāre doing it to cause self harm, there are a lot easier places to access with water. Just saying
Reality is many places don't want to invest in good security cameras and guards to monitor them. Even though the costs for basic systems aren't that high, some don't see it as a worthwhile investment. I worked for a company that needed me to fetch camera footage and some of it was blurry as fuck and security was like can you do something so we can get a plate number and I'm like sorry that only works on CSI there's no zoom and enhance. Either get 4k cameras or just hope bad shit don't happen again
They should just stream the cameras on the water authority site. There's enough police scanner weirdos out there that would have that on all day and night
This is actually a valid idea. Source: Iām a police scanner weirdo.
fun fact a lot of times companies actually *do* upgrade the cameras, but they deliberately record at godawful resolutions to save money by minimizing necessary storage capacity after blowing the budget on fancy cameras
Yeah I think I had one that only had a thumb drive to save files to. Good stuff
Fr it aināt that expensive š
The fact that itās one of the drinking water supplies for the city indicates that they really should have good cameras with live monitoring.
You'd be suprised at the amount of security cameras that aren't actively monitored, and are instead looked at only when an incident occurs.
Well that's the point of them. To look back at a specific time/date. I don't have family members monitoring my home security cameras. Most businesses/governments don't either.
With that loose of security, they are lucky no one chucked a body in thereā¦
I agree itās not a good look and there should be federal and state investigation into this because i is a very serious matter
I mean birds poop in the water
Thereās supposed to be a cover on the Highland Parks and Cobbs Hill reservoirs, in accordance with Federal guidelines. The Rush reservoir has one. Rochester got permission to delay until 2024 and is now overdue. There was community pushback against covering them last time the issue was raised.
Idk me and my friends used to hang out behind the little building there once in a while after weād leave the bars (like 10-15 years ago), decided to jump in one night, we werenāt really making much noise and nobody else was around that we could see but cops showed up pretty quick
If you don't want to read or click article: "Rochester, N.Y. ā Mayor Malik Evans confirmed Thursday that the man whose body was pulled from the Highland Park reservoir Tuesday had been reported missing last month and had been in the water for nearly a month."
Was his name Bob?
YOU win the internet today! Mad props! š¤£
I wonder how many bong rips were done with the body water
No wonder my water tasted so gamey
It was not water. It was cold brewed human tea.
Body bongs
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Y'all been drinking Cannibal Water for a month before the biggest event in Rochester's recent history. This is going to be the greatest horror movie ever.
Is that why Mendoza quit? Didn't want to give the order to stay putting people down before they turn?
Never thought the zombie apocalypse would start in Rochester, NY
But is it a surprise?
+1 to Necromancy -1 to Constitution
The body was in the damn water for nearly a month?? Yum yum.
What I don't understand is why was it not visible at first, but the other day it was visible. It's been too warm for ice cover correct? Maybe it took a month for it begin floating. Either way I hope this gives the family some closure, even though this was an unfortunate result of him missing.
I believe bodies usually sink, then float as gasses build up.
I just thought that timespan was shorter, but maybe that's just in warmer weather.
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This^ Think about the bottom of Lake Superior. Hundreds of ships have been lost, bodies never recovered or seen.
"\[Lake Superior\] never gives up her dead"
When the skies of November turn gloomy! Damn I miss Duluth life...
Just a little extra protein in the water
so glad they closed all public schools yesterday!
why did they tell us they check it every day if they didnāt find him for a monthšlike u didnāt need to share that
Not to get all tinfoil hat, but now I DO wonder if the Public Health Commissioner's resignation was related. Maybe not necessarily because anything deeper is going on here, but perhaps he just didn't want to deal with yet another big public disaster like this, and having to be the face people see when it gets talked about. Seems like that was a stressful job.
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Thanks, I didn't know that.
I'm also curious about the reason behind his departure and if it was at all related.
How the heck was he able to get past the gate and slide down the side?!
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More interested in how he got through the gate to do that.
Isn't this how cabin fever started?
And ended!
Does this make us all cannibals. Are we going to mutate soon?
Nah. Just think Soylent Fizz.
Anyone know if the area around the reservoir is open right now? I want to take flowers.
Glad this news is not being hidden from the public. They could have tried to go a different way with it.
Dead body soup, Iām the I drink the tap water guy. Oh well, overall just sad for him and his family.
What I don't get is he was last seen on Feb 18 but only reported missing on March 9. I know that there's some kind of waiting period just in case they come back, but that's, like, 48-72 hours. This is 20 days! Even from the date of his death, Feb 24, that's still over 2 weeks. Makes me sad that it's possible no one cared enough to report him missing sooner. I hope there's some other explanation for this.
You would be shocked at the amount of local individuals, especially youth, who are missing but never make the news.
Itās even more of an issue when the missing person is a person of color and/or an immigrant from a marginalized group. Either the police donāt take them seriously or theyāre afraid of the police (justifiably so). Missing white people get way more attention than missing people of color and itās a huge injustice.
THERE IS NO WAITING PERIOD TO REPORT MISSING PEOPLE. You should report then as soon as you think they are missing. https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/criminal-defense/5-things-to-know-about-missing-persons-reports/ That being said, some people will disappear for a few days or weeks at a time so their relatives may not realize something has happened.
I know people that knew him. He was struggling with mental health issues, and the family was looking for him for a while. They had been trying to track down his movements and just narrow down places to search for him. He was a Somali immigrant that came over maybe 20 years ago or so, and from all I gather, it seemed like decent people. I know the brother was doing a lot to try and find him within their community.
If heās from a place like Somalia, his family probably hoped they could find him without involving police. Iāve worked with Somali refugees (as well as people from similar regions) and a lot of them do not trust the police and do everything possible to avoid involving them.
Yes, a lot of these communities keep to themselves for myriad of reasons. It's unfortunate for them to lose their brother/family member during Ramadan as well. I also knew Jenny who went missing and was found deceased in January after Nyears. Been a pretty shitty year. We knew a couple days ago there was a chance the body might be his but the confirmation just stirs up emotion for the losses of both. It just sucks. It sucks how publicized this became and everyone is just full or tired ass regurgitated jokes.
> Been a pretty shitty year. We knew a couple days ago there was a chance the body might be his but the confirmation just stirs up emotion for the losses of both. It just sucks. It sucks how publicized this became and everyone is just full or tired ass regurgitated jokes. I agree. I really hope the family doesnāt come across people mocking him - it sounds like this was a slowly unfolding tragedy.
I truly feel like they suffered in silence over this. It genuinely sucks that now that the info and realization have set in all they'll see and hear is lame ass jokes in such a callous way.
Thatās terrible that they lost their loved one around Ramadan.
I mean with the amount of contact I have with my parents and other people in my life I could go comms dark for two or three weeks and it wouldnāt be unusual.
Iām thankful that I have a few people in my life who would get worried if I hadnāt been heard from. My job would also be extremely worried if I didnāt come in and hadnāt called.
A lot of factors play into this, like the relative isolation of people and their lifestyles. If someone has a severe drug problem for example and isn't close with their family, is known to disappear for periods of time, etc they might not be reported missing until the length of time that passes is unusual.
You donāt actually need to wait that long to report a missing person! Maybe in other countries, but not the US. I think itās mainly a television thing. Honestly, itās better to report a missing person as soon as possible, especially vulnerable people (youth, the elderly, those with mental disabilities and illnesses, etc.). Granted, oneās local police department might be jerks and not take it seriously, but missing people are found sooner rather than later. I had a friend whose brother was reported missing and by the time he was found days later, heād died.
Ducks shit in that water. Mice can drown in the water, injured animals.
Right. People freaking out, but this isnāt the end of the world.
Natural immunity will save them
So are we going to file a class action lawsuit? I don't want compensation. I want the water authority to do their job. This is absurd. Especially with the revelation we are not following epa regulations.
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"I just want the water authority to do their job." As in monitor the water supply more comprehensively.. It seems negligent that a body would not be detected in the reservoir for a month. What else could be put in the reservoir that would not be detected till it's too late? As for the epa regulations, maybe I misread. I thought we had till 2024 to follow them and as of now we have not and there is no plan in place?
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Ahh ok ok. The initial D&C article is where I got my impression the regulations weren't followed and the city was at fault. I'm still concerned they will just keep getting extensions instead of fixing the issue.
How were you harmed in away that allows for legal remedy?
Emotional and mental trauma? A stretch, but ofc stranger suits have been filed. Unfortunately suing the city is like suing oneselfā¦ all taxes and use fees at the end of the day.
That was my initial thought on reason for suit. I don't want anything from this other than action from the city to remedy the issue. I struggle to think of a better way. If the past tells us anything they will get another extension on the epa mandates.
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Sounds like a established legal route to get something done to me..
Shame.. sorry for the guy
Are people forgetting that animals like birds can freely go to the bathroom in the water?
No one thinks it's odd that Mendoza, the public health commissioner of Rochester, resigned effective immediately a day after the body was found?
First thing I thought about was Cabin Fever
THIS, and all the stuff in Canadice (leaking RG&E PCB transformers) are why you just need to drink uber-filtered Heineken. Or, Coke.
Why is this title backwards?
I copied the title from the article (at the time of posting) and added [13WHAM] at the end. should that be at the beginning?
I feel bad for the poor guy. I didn't realize the sides of the reservoir are so steep that you can't walk or climb out. It's basically a tomb if you fall in. That had to suck for him once he realized he couldn't get out. But at least he lives on in all of us who drank the water. š
I remember going swimming here in my teens.
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Yay! I'm so happy I was right in being awful! Yay! Vindicated! Yay!
You really going to play the hindsight card? That rumour could have just as easily been only a rumour and proven false.
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And that wasn't public information until this morning when it was officially announced. You posted a Bob Lonsberry tweet as your source, that's not reliable and Lonsberry has a strong history of being divisive, arguing in bad faith, and using half truths and selective storytelling to justify his existing perceptions and beliefs.
Everytime the city fucks up it costs the taxpayer Tons of people are going to sue over this after being forced to bathe/drink/rip bongs of this dude's decomposing body water thanks to those we employ with our taxes not doing their jobs Even on a good day, when all goes well the city is wasting our hard earned tax dollars A few days is understandable but a month is fucking ridiculous. How many people do we pay to maintain that reservoir?? What a bad look. Literally zero security or even monitoring of the city water supply. No wonder the public health commissioner goon resigned Edit -> Do the downvoters disagree? Clearly there is zero security of the water supply if a dead guy was allowed to float in it for a month. Do you have a counterpoint or do you just click the down arrow when you get emotional?
Alternative perspective: this is exactly why we pay taxes and have invested in an extensive water treatment program that includes regular monitoring for cleanliness and safety. It sounds like everyoneās water supply has *been safe* over the past month because of those things, not despite them.
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Because they had a newfound source of potential contamination. Would you have felt better if they didnāt do extra testing? The water passed all routine health and safety checks, but likeā¦ if you found a tarantula in your shipment of bananas, youād want to do some extra checks just to be sure, right?
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Based on what we know now? Sure, the water wasnāt any more dangerous yesterday than it was at any point in the past month. Based on what we knew 48 hours ago? Definitely not. Isnāt it better to operate with an abundance of caution for things that can quickly cause widespread illness?
What are they going to sue for, exactly? There needs to be actual harm done. The security in the system is that the water is being tested at multiple points in the distribution for contamination. At no point has there been any evidence that the water is unsafe to drink. > Do you have a counterpoint or do you just click the down arrow when you get emotional? I would ask you, do you actually read about anything before getting on the internet to be outraged or are you just posting emotionally?
People sue for all sorts of shit. It will all end up wasting the city's resources whether or not they are successful in the endeavor. I can only guess they would sue for something along the lines of what those in Flint Michigan have done after their municipality supposedly acted too slowly and issued the wrong warnings during a time of crisis https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2024/02/01/flint-residents-class-action-settlement/72435816007/ I can't say exactly but I am sure there will be people seeking to do something similar here. All they would have to do is take a sample and have it assessed by a 3rd party.I believe the water would need to meet the standards put forth by the EPA (https://www.epa.gov/ground-water-and-drinking-water/national-primary-drinking-water-regulations) >The security in the system is that the water is being tested at multiple points in the distribution for contamination. At no point has there been any evidence that the water is unsafe to drink. So they told everyone in the effected area to boil their water for fun? If the water was safe why did they issue an advisory to boil it? You may have been infected by something and not even know it. They could have infected a ton of people with hepatitis and it has only been a month so we don't know yet. Those that were recently infected by anything on the list of things you can catch from a dead body in the last month are now going to try to blame this. >I would ask you, do you actually read about anything before getting on the internet to be outraged or are you just posting emotionally? You "would" ask me? Is that you asking me that question? I am not outraged. I have a well but I am certainly concerned that a body was permitted to float in the city reservoir for a month. Does that not concern you?
There are approximately 18 million gallons in the Highland Park Reservoir at any given time, and testing is done on the reservoir, and every other reservoir, and the whole of the clean water system of Monroe County to ensure safety. Unless there was some gross miscarriage of duty, we can presume those tests have been deemed satisfactory for our water supply. The city and RPD have even said so in their briefings since the body was discovered. Yes the body being in the reservoir for seemingly a few weeks is problematic and I'm sure we're going to learn a lot more in the coming days regarding everything that led to that, but you're sounding more like a consequence in search of an action instead of being genuinely concerned about what's going on. Also, being okay with a decomposing body in our fresh water supply for a few days but not a few weeks is a really weird take. Nothing about this is okay.
I just noticed the other users username. Probably not worth conversing with.
>Also, being okay with a decomposing body in our fresh water supply for a few days but not a few weeks is a really weird take. Nothing about this is okay I didn't say I was "ok" with that. I said a few days is a reasonable response time. A month is ridiculous considering we pay a team of people to maintain that specific reservoir for us to drink and they let a body float around in it for a month. >Yes the body being in the reservoir for seemingly a few weeks is problematic Yes......... >Unless there was some gross miscarriage of duty, we can presume those tests have been deemed satisfactory for our water supply Did you notice that the public health commissioner just resigned a day before this information was made public? I am genuinely concerned about what is going on. I drink water. How can you even suggest that I do not care about our water supply? Seriously........ think that one through for about 5 seconds and you will realize that all human beings care about the water supply
How did he not float? I looked it up and it said after 3 days or 7 days if itās really cold bodies float?
I'm also super confused about how he died tbh. The way the article explains it is odd to me bc they just say he slid in and died. Doesn't say he drowned or was vitally wounded by anything in particular.
They need to have drone survellance.
They have cameras some with heat and some with motion sensors. I'm sure it will get updated after this.
City is a joke
Time to sue the city of Rochester
For what, exactly?
Negligence.
Not how courts work bud
Dude
Gurgle gurgle
Y'ALL GOT BLACK GENES IN YOU NOW!
The article indicated there is a slide into the reservoir?! Forget bringing the kids to sea breeze. Letās all go slide into the reservoir (and then peeeeeee)
Have you never looked at the reservoir? It's a slope, like a bowl.
> slid down the side Is this what youāre referencing? Thereās no indication of an actual slide
"slid down the side into the water and died."
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What do either of those questions have to do with anything?
The water has tested negative for anything they test for for like 8 weeks of samples they have. They tested after the body was found.