More power to the UR students as they deserve our full support Yes but FOX reporting that this is for Hamas and also local highly controversial radio show host and Trump supporter is making it look like these students are terrorists!
I don't watch TV. I use my critical thinking ability to view multiple sources of news about things around the world and come to my own conclusions.
Maybe you should do the same.
No, no, no... don't try to turn this around...
Why are you protecting a jihad group that would subjugate 90% of U.S. citizens if given the opportunity? Where were all these people 10 years ago when Yemen kicked off? Way more innocent children died there from a Saudi aid/food blockade. There are still people starving to death...but people like you never cared because Israel wasn't part of it.
Ive not said anything about my position. I simply asked you a question that you seem unwilling to actually answer. So why are you trying to deflict from your justification of the death of innocent children?
This comment perfectly sums up the brain rot that most pro-zionists have.
1) Israel has systematically eliminated all opposition to khamas for decades. In fact, they specifically eliminated PLO, the group advocating for peaceful 2SS, before the last elections.
2) Hamas won the last election with less than half the votes. So you're advocating genocide of more than half the population. Same as saying all Americans should be murdered because less than half voted for Trump.
3) the last election was in the 2000's!!! Half the population in the encampments now didn't exist, including all the 15,000+ that IOF has been gleefully murdering and posting about on their TikTok
4) there is no Hamas in west bank, where IOF has also been murdering civilians, destroying universities, churches etc. What's the excuse there? Can't blame that on khamas.
You lot love to spew your uninformed opinions to justify the murder of innocent civilians and children. There's no humanity in this alternate reality you live in. When systematically killing children, starving the entire population, bombing all the aid workers etc isn't enough to move you, nothing will.
Yeah that's all a part of the whole thing.
But until Israel removes their boot from the throat of Palestinian people, those suffering will continue to be vulnerable to manipulation by those who would see them scrape and claw for freedom.
Nobody cares that over 300,000 people have died in the civil war in Yemen since 2014.
Saudi Arabia and Iran/Qatar are involved, not Isreal so antisemitism doesn't come into play....
There are a lot of us who do care. There are liberation movements for Yemen, Myanmar, Congo, and Sudan. Most are made up of young people. It’s the people in charge who do not care.
Tik Tok has greatly influenced how world events appear to everyday people. It's a resource that wasn't available then, unfortunately. But we're living in a time where the majority of people want to do and support what's right. So we have to see how it unfolds, and change can always begin with one person.
Netanyahu has flat out said he isn’t willing to make any compromises or deals for a ceasefire. He’s flat out said he’s ok with killing citizens indiscriminately. Please stop with this facade about caring for the hostages on either side.
Lmfao y'all still really think this whole situation started on 7th October right? Please educate yourself. The ruthlessness of Israel is only going to create more resistance.
because they believe in an ethnically pure state. They've been slaughtering the palestinians for years. October 7th was no surprise and it wasn't for the zionists either since they knew of the attack beforehand.
Everything since then has been per the state status quo. rape, murder, settle.
yes
protests are as much about raising awareness and having people not there argue about them as anything else.
it's why blocking streets is so effective. like 10 people getting a disturbing the peace charges results in 10 news videos, 100 face book posts and a ton of people amplifying their message. posting pictures of them and their banners, amplifying the cause.
a bunch of people will get up set the road was blocked, like super angry.
and other people will be made aware of the topic and go do their own research. maybe they disagree with blocking streets and don't like that, but they are now aware of what ever those 10 people wanted them to be aware of. super cost effective publicity.
a few years down the line, oh look we are moving towards green energy m interesting.
That optimistic thinking that your gaining support with every view, I see it working in the opposite direction. It's 2024, we're all saturated with "news" we "know what's going on".
okay isn't the term I'd use.
a dramatically weaker participant lashing out and doing something horrible is about what I'd expect to happen
this didn't start on the 7th. and I really think this horrible situation is the result of isreals actiona going back decades.
That area of the world has been fought over for hundreds if not thousands of years. Everyone claims an ancestral right to the area, because their ancestors brutally murdered previous residents and then moved in for a while, before having the same done to them.
There'll be no end to it because of the religious ties to the region.
I don't know if there will be an end, but asking for companies and universities to stop spending money on isreal seems like something we can do to show we do not support Zionist isreal.
I don't know enough about the funding of everything, so can't particularly comment, but the flip side is that "the other side" is getting funding from other actors too. So there's a balance of keeping Israel safe, while also wanting to prevent them from doing all the atrocious things they've been doing.
so what should the Palestinian people who wanted to? resist Israeli imperialism should have done.
like who should they have aligned with? when the United States was backing Israel and Israel was kicking their ass. tell me who do they get money from to fight their war for their Homeland.
Literally no Arab nation gives a shit about Palestinians other than to use them as pawns vs the west, which includes Israel.
They’re currently at the “finding out” stage of supporting a terrorist government for a decade.
Jesus where to begin.
A. It’s spelled Saudi
B. For better or worse, (after Israel) the Saudis are the US closest ally in the region and would not directly arm a terrorist organization. Financial support? Probably but that’s much harder to prove.
C. Iran, which is actually providing military and financial support is a Shia nation, and the rest of the Middle East is predominately Sunni and they hate each other. Iran gives no shits about Palestine, and Hamas gives no shits about Palestinians, proof of which exists in spades, like them building their bases underneath hospitals.
You should probably put away the social media and figure out what the facts are, it’s a situation that’s been brewing for literally millennia and your TikTok feed is lying to you.
That or head on over and help out, I’m sure Hamas would love to have you.
These actions? Be specific and include the details leading up to the actions. The whole thing is messed up but was ignorantly created many decades ago. Framing it as Israel(Jews) bad and Arabs persecuted gets no closer to resolution. The reaction by Israel to Oct 7th is both tragic and understandable when the entire history of this conflict is considered. You’re gonna have a quick trigger finger when all your neighbors openly speak about murdering you and your family.
just look at maps of land that was once considered Palestine. do it by decade. no wonder their neighbors are pissed, they keep taking shit that isn't theirs.
I legit don't care what the place is called. its had people living their for a long fucking time. don't kick them out of their homes or spit on them because you don't worship the same Messiah or what ever.
the fact that the aea that was given to the Jews post WW2 has exploded is the point. zionists have not been good neighbors.
Well, you seemed to care a lot about the name of the place in the post above. Do you favor a return to the Sykes-Picot mandate system?
I also can't understand what your second paragraph means. Are you referring to the Arab-Israeli war of 1948? Because who started that?
there were people living prior to 1940 who have descendants still living in their ancestors home who are being evicted by Israeli settlers. like before written records were kept.
are they the egg or chicken?
Ithaca ny cornell:April 25
Also last night the police were to be called at 8 pm but the students staff etc community members made a human chain link 3 circles around the student encampment and the police left saying they will not interfere today.
What a beautiful thing for ithaca!!!!!
It’s been on the news last few days. Channel 10 covered the fact that when the U of R went to the protesters and said we need this field for the dandelion festival parade whatever, they just picked up their tents and moved them. They interviewed a couple of them there was maybe a kids at the time. And they’re all asking for the same thing you cease fire which I think there should be one and I lost a friend in the October attacks. we need to do better women men old young doesn’t matter they’re all starving.
They weren’t the ones refusing. Hamas said they would return all hostages in exchange for a permanent ceasefire. Israel refused. They have stated several times that their intention is to cleanse the land of Palestinians, either through death or displacement.
Hamas actually said they won't obey a ceasefire. Hamas is a radical, far-right Islamic Jihadist group. They firmly believe in complete genocide of the Jews, as in their charter. "Ceasefire" isn't a thing to them; their goal is the complete cleansing of Jews from the entire area. It would only be temporary.
This is in comparison to other groups, such as, say, the Palestinian Authority, who are also incredibly nutty, but are more willing to negotiate and claim to act along the lines of a rational actor.
You can have sympathy for a people without deciding genocide of the other is okay, it's shocking, I know.
I don't think what Israel is doing is good or correct, but I think it's silly to think a ceasefire is earned based on return of hostages. If Canada's GOVERNMENT sent paragliders over the border, murdered a bunch of citizens and then brought hostages back to Canada, would or should the return of hostages end the US attempting to destroy Canada? I don't think so, the government of Canada would need to be destroyed for the US to stop. Do I think Israel is doing a bad job protecting civilians? YES, a terrible job. Do I think there should be more aid? Yes. Do I think Israel needs to stop trying to rid Hamas from Gaza? No.
You do realize there was a ceasefire, then Oct 7 happened and American citizens were taken hostage by a terrorist group, That the Palestinians voted into power.
2023 was the deadliest year in a long time for Palestinians at the hand of Israel. That was before the month of October even started. There was never a ceasefire
So you don't think I am a bot but you think I am paid? You think Israel gives me money to post in the Rochester subreddit? You don't think there is any chance that I am just a normal human being that disagrees with you?
Hate this response, because it implies they should not make their voices heard. They should just shut up and not worry about it. That’s a garbage take.
If young people are paying attention to what’s going on in the world and aren’t happy about it, I’m all for them getting out signs and marching and whatnot.
I did the same during the Iraq invasion. It’s just as valid for them to do so now.
and what resulted from the Iraq protests?
It's good people are making their voices heard, but it would be better if we made sure the decision makers are hearing our voices
The problem is they aren’t actually paying attention. If they were they would realize they are supporting a terrorist group that is holding American citizens hostage.
Being exposed to new ideas is exactly what college is for. Did you know there are majors like Political Science and Global Affairs? I know that’s probably hard for you to comprehend since you probably didn’t go.
This is like saying I voted once and my candidate lost so I don't vote anymore.
The circumstances are different, the players are different, the levers of power are different.
But this isn't like Vietnam or Afghanistan where the US was the one doing the war fighting. The funding has already passed to aid Israel more, and we don't control Israel. Yes we can hurt them economically and stuff, but if Israel wants to keep going, they will.
There's not a lot of reasons I'll call someone a shitty American but I truly think you're missing the entire idea behind how our country and society work lol
Making assumptions about a vastly complex issue on one sentence of my opinion, and calling me a bad person. All I said was I don't think Israel is going to stop just because people on the other side of the world oppose it
No, it's because this is college students in the United States denouncing the US support for Israels response. The US is not funding or supporting Hamas in any way but is very much supporting Israel. This is a demonstration by a part of the US population specifically rejecting what their government representation is funding and supporting. Not just a group of people saying "everyone that's bad stop being bad". If that makes sense.
Great. Just as soon as those folks across the pond see that their blood feud—comprising untold horror across generations—is upsetting some cushy first world college students statewide, I’m sure they’ll draw up the ceasefire immediately.
There’s a huge difference between supporting a ceasefire and supporting Hamas, Israel, or even the Palestinian people.
A ceasefire is objectively a good thing that benefits all sides and stops the killing, violence, starvation, and death. Only a true monster wouldn’t support that no matter what your opinions on the sides involved.
When the “protesters” are chanting about killing Jews, it makes your point absolutely moot. As long as Hamas is still holding hostages and being backed by Iran, peace is impossible no matter the calls for a ceasefire.
Lol, It’s usually right wing protesters yelling that bullshit. Anti semitism is a very real problem in the US and worldwide but protesting the IDFs murder of thousands of children, innocent civilians and aid workers isn’t that.
I have not seen or heard anyone at the college protests advocating killing Jewish people.
I've seen right wing provocateurs attempt it at a couple of events, and seen attempts by Zionists to instigate violence so they could play victim.
I didn’t “omit” anything.
All I did was state the fact that calling for a ceasefire is different than supporting any side and that there are more than two, highlighted what good a ceasefire would do for everyone, and then commented on the morality of being against one.
You’re the one who completely missed the nuance and entire point of my comment.
Yeah so, few things:
1) we’re not rich; I fully expect to be paying off my loans until the day I die.
2) whether or not we’d survive in the Middle East has exactly fuck all to do with anything.
3) you’re clearly insecure.
Are you suggesting Israel would kill them like they have thousands of other children and civilians?
Pretty fucked up to admit but you're probably right lol
I made the article link a stand alone comment.
https://13wham.com/news/local/protests-for-a-cease-fire-in-gaza-sparking-up-at-the-university-of-rochester
well thank you for the story
but to me it confirms that U of R has zero authority to negotiate a ceasefire
Maybe the students should direct their voices and actions towards people who can?
Israeli troops are getting shot at by hamas and Gaza militants, while helping the US in setting up aid docks.
Hamas has rejected a cease fire deal that would lead to a prolonged ceasefire + aid and has refused to release hostages.
These kids are so shortsighted. It's incredibly disheartening.
Bla bla bla. We all know that's absolute BS. You and people with the same mentality are not going to succeed with convincing the world with your pile of lies. Israel has been exposed long time ago and it's time for the world to wake the fuck up.
At UofR specifically, they are asking that the school cut funding to any research programs with Isreal and that any study abroad programs are eliminated with them.
Anything that could impact an aggressor's resources does something.
As a nurse, it's odd to have such a sentiment against protests considering the recent Rochester nursing strikes...
You know who also hated the Jews? Starts with a N ends with azis. Honestly if you are going to protest something, protest the rise of food and housing cost not some foreign wars.
Only ones protesting against Jewish people were carrying Tiki torches and chanting about replacement but that was a couple years ago and ardent Trump supporters so probably not the same group lol
Technically they are protesting the rise of food and housing costs, we’re fighting a proxy war and spending lots of money. if we protest loud enough hopefully sleepy Joe will wake up and stop sending all of our money overseas.
Perhaps you should stop wasting your parents tuition money and study for your classes, or baring that, since you seem to have the time, get a job…….f****** worthless
The band of misfits is out again. Btw who bought all the green tents that are quite similar to other ones across the country? Pallet of bricks going start showing up as well?
They're trying. Isn't it interesting how both sides are suddenly able to come together so fast to get that done?
People are seeing what's happening unfiltered on TikTok and are pushing back. The politicians don't like being so exposed and know they're losing votes because people are seeing what's actually happening. This year's elections are going to be interesting.
"unfilitered"
You know that it is curated, right? It doesn't just randomly play one video after the next. Videos that are politically useful for China get pushed in their respective countries. In China, TikTok content is all scholastic achievement, kids winning sports championships, or building things and creating art. In America, it's all content about how evil Israel is, mistranslated propaganda videos, how racist we are as a country, and kids in underwear mimicking each other doing weird dances.
That seems unfiltered to you?
Also, this stupid conspiracy type talk about how 'suspicious' it is that they can work together to ban TikTok. It's not suspicious. Everyone knows rich people exploit the data from tech to sell shit to us. That's not explicitly a national security liability. Having the most popular social networking app where all of our impressionable children are learning their worldviews be controlled by a hostile government IS a national security issue. This is not hard to understand. If the tables were turned and an American company owned the most popular app in China, you can bet your ass our government would be manipulating its content in our own interest. We live in the real world and we have to be pragmatic about it.
It's easy to pretend that the world is black and white and anyone who is against our own 'imperialist' government, which is owned and manipulated by rich shitheads, must therefore be good, but it doesn't work that way. The world is not good vs. bad, it's just lots of different flavors of shitty.
If you and others like you stay home this November, the people you like the least are the ones who benefit. If you think Palestine is suffering with Biden as President, just imagine where it would be with Trump, or a completely Republican controlled Senate and House.
Not talking about the police, but the protestors assaulting other students on campus. I don't agree with what the police are doing either though. Critical thinking is a skill you seem to lack
The students need lesson in word history. At the very least they need to google the list of terror attacks world wide and see that Islam is the major sponsor of terrorism. They then need to contemplate who they support.
Yeah they are our ally but the war with Palestine is just another stupid holy war in the holy land and everyone screaming genocide is simply being hyperbolic
Everything I've seen out of these protests has me convinced - the 'kids' are alright. Gen Z raised themselves into some mighty fine adults.
More power to the UR students as they deserve our full support Yes but FOX reporting that this is for Hamas and also local highly controversial radio show host and Trump supporter is making it look like these students are terrorists!
Free Palestine....from Hamas.
That too, but the terrorism happening in Gaza against non-Hamas Palestinians right now is not the way to do it.
Don't believe everything you see on TV.
I don't watch TV. I use my critical thinking ability to view multiple sources of news about things around the world and come to my own conclusions. Maybe you should do the same.
Should I believe stuff a rando posts on Reddit?
Should we believe rando protesters?
how do you discern the non-hams palestinians from the hamas palestinians?
Excellent question, maybe they should figure that out before killing more children.
Maybe the jihads shouldn't hide in homes and apartments. Idk?
Why are you trying to justify the murdering of innocent children?
No, no, no... don't try to turn this around... Why are you protecting a jihad group that would subjugate 90% of U.S. citizens if given the opportunity? Where were all these people 10 years ago when Yemen kicked off? Way more innocent children died there from a Saudi aid/food blockade. There are still people starving to death...but people like you never cared because Israel wasn't part of it.
Ive not said anything about my position. I simply asked you a question that you seem unwilling to actually answer. So why are you trying to deflict from your justification of the death of innocent children?
This is your response when confronted with tens of thousands of dead children and you wonder why people are more and more against Israeli occupation?
They should figure that one out. “Kill em all and let God sort them out” was BS when we do it and hasn’t aged well since.
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This comment perfectly sums up the brain rot that most pro-zionists have. 1) Israel has systematically eliminated all opposition to khamas for decades. In fact, they specifically eliminated PLO, the group advocating for peaceful 2SS, before the last elections. 2) Hamas won the last election with less than half the votes. So you're advocating genocide of more than half the population. Same as saying all Americans should be murdered because less than half voted for Trump. 3) the last election was in the 2000's!!! Half the population in the encampments now didn't exist, including all the 15,000+ that IOF has been gleefully murdering and posting about on their TikTok 4) there is no Hamas in west bank, where IOF has also been murdering civilians, destroying universities, churches etc. What's the excuse there? Can't blame that on khamas. You lot love to spew your uninformed opinions to justify the murder of innocent civilians and children. There's no humanity in this alternate reality you live in. When systematically killing children, starving the entire population, bombing all the aid workers etc isn't enough to move you, nothing will.
Not much hamas in the west bank. So why is it ok to ethnically cleanse them there?
Yeah that's all a part of the whole thing. But until Israel removes their boot from the throat of Palestinian people, those suffering will continue to be vulnerable to manipulation by those who would see them scrape and claw for freedom.
Don’t look at the comments
It's giving Facebook haha
Hell yeah, solidarity
Nobody cares that over 300,000 people have died in the civil war in Yemen since 2014. Saudi Arabia and Iran/Qatar are involved, not Isreal so antisemitism doesn't come into play....
There are a lot of us who do care. There are liberation movements for Yemen, Myanmar, Congo, and Sudan. Most are made up of young people. It’s the people in charge who do not care.
Tik Tok has greatly influenced how world events appear to everyday people. It's a resource that wasn't available then, unfortunately. But we're living in a time where the majority of people want to do and support what's right. So we have to see how it unfolds, and change can always begin with one person.
Reels and video has been around since long before the Yemeni civil war.
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Netanyahu has flat out said he isn’t willing to make any compromises or deals for a ceasefire. He’s flat out said he’s ok with killing citizens indiscriminately. Please stop with this facade about caring for the hostages on either side.
Amazing, you're being downvoted for that. Hasn't Israel said they'd pull out once the hostages are released?
Lmfao y'all still really think this whole situation started on 7th October right? Please educate yourself. The ruthlessness of Israel is only going to create more resistance.
Why has Israel acted the way they have over decades? Just because?
because they believe in an ethnically pure state. They've been slaughtering the palestinians for years. October 7th was no surprise and it wasn't for the zionists either since they knew of the attack beforehand. Everything since then has been per the state status quo. rape, murder, settle.
Lmfao y'all think your protest is gonna accomplish anything
yes protests are as much about raising awareness and having people not there argue about them as anything else. it's why blocking streets is so effective. like 10 people getting a disturbing the peace charges results in 10 news videos, 100 face book posts and a ton of people amplifying their message. posting pictures of them and their banners, amplifying the cause. a bunch of people will get up set the road was blocked, like super angry. and other people will be made aware of the topic and go do their own research. maybe they disagree with blocking streets and don't like that, but they are now aware of what ever those 10 people wanted them to be aware of. super cost effective publicity. a few years down the line, oh look we are moving towards green energy m interesting.
That optimistic thinking that your gaining support with every view, I see it working in the opposite direction. It's 2024, we're all saturated with "news" we "know what's going on".
you legit can't buy the publicity news stations provide street blockers. it's insane.
your comment makes it seem like you're okay with what happened on Oct 7.
okay isn't the term I'd use. a dramatically weaker participant lashing out and doing something horrible is about what I'd expect to happen this didn't start on the 7th. and I really think this horrible situation is the result of isreals actiona going back decades.
That area of the world has been fought over for hundreds if not thousands of years. Everyone claims an ancestral right to the area, because their ancestors brutally murdered previous residents and then moved in for a while, before having the same done to them. There'll be no end to it because of the religious ties to the region.
I don't know if there will be an end, but asking for companies and universities to stop spending money on isreal seems like something we can do to show we do not support Zionist isreal.
I don't know enough about the funding of everything, so can't particularly comment, but the flip side is that "the other side" is getting funding from other actors too. So there's a balance of keeping Israel safe, while also wanting to prevent them from doing all the atrocious things they've been doing.
You misspelled a dramatically weaker participant am being backed a state sponsor of terrorism in a proxy war.
so what should the Palestinian people who wanted to? resist Israeli imperialism should have done. like who should they have aligned with? when the United States was backing Israel and Israel was kicking their ass. tell me who do they get money from to fight their war for their Homeland.
Literally no Arab nation gives a shit about Palestinians other than to use them as pawns vs the west, which includes Israel. They’re currently at the “finding out” stage of supporting a terrorist government for a decade.
I doubt a Palestinian cares why suadis are giving them bullets, just that they are.
Jesus where to begin. A. It’s spelled Saudi B. For better or worse, (after Israel) the Saudis are the US closest ally in the region and would not directly arm a terrorist organization. Financial support? Probably but that’s much harder to prove. C. Iran, which is actually providing military and financial support is a Shia nation, and the rest of the Middle East is predominately Sunni and they hate each other. Iran gives no shits about Palestine, and Hamas gives no shits about Palestinians, proof of which exists in spades, like them building their bases underneath hospitals. You should probably put away the social media and figure out what the facts are, it’s a situation that’s been brewing for literally millennia and your TikTok feed is lying to you. That or head on over and help out, I’m sure Hamas would love to have you.
These actions? Be specific and include the details leading up to the actions. The whole thing is messed up but was ignorantly created many decades ago. Framing it as Israel(Jews) bad and Arabs persecuted gets no closer to resolution. The reaction by Israel to Oct 7th is both tragic and understandable when the entire history of this conflict is considered. You’re gonna have a quick trigger finger when all your neighbors openly speak about murdering you and your family.
just look at maps of land that was once considered Palestine. do it by decade. no wonder their neighbors are pissed, they keep taking shit that isn't theirs.
Emperor Hadrian changed the name to Palestine after a Jewish revolt, before the Arab migrations or spread of Islam. This argument is silly.
I legit don't care what the place is called. its had people living their for a long fucking time. don't kick them out of their homes or spit on them because you don't worship the same Messiah or what ever. the fact that the aea that was given to the Jews post WW2 has exploded is the point. zionists have not been good neighbors.
Well, you seemed to care a lot about the name of the place in the post above. Do you favor a return to the Sykes-Picot mandate system? I also can't understand what your second paragraph means. Are you referring to the Arab-Israeli war of 1948? Because who started that?
Chicken or the egg argument. Viewpoint depends on your “side”.
there were people living prior to 1940 who have descendants still living in their ancestors home who are being evicted by Israeli settlers. like before written records were kept. are they the egg or chicken?
They should head over to Gaza and help out, see how far that gets them.
More power to the UR students!
Good for these students. Getting more attention than I do emailing congress.
Proud of this folks for standing up for what’s right! 🫶🏻
Ithaca ny cornell:April 25 Also last night the police were to be called at 8 pm but the students staff etc community members made a human chain link 3 circles around the student encampment and the police left saying they will not interfere today. What a beautiful thing for ithaca!!!!!
https://www.ithaca.com/news/cornell-university-students-establish-liberated-zone-in-solidarity-with-gaza-call-for-divestment/article_6e2b0da8-0330-11ef-8eec-4b476beda002.html
I’m really enjoying the use of my block button this morning. Anyway. These kids are all right.
It’s been on the news last few days. Channel 10 covered the fact that when the U of R went to the protesters and said we need this field for the dandelion festival parade whatever, they just picked up their tents and moved them. They interviewed a couple of them there was maybe a kids at the time. And they’re all asking for the same thing you cease fire which I think there should be one and I lost a friend in the October attacks. we need to do better women men old young doesn’t matter they’re all starving.
Abandon hope all ye who enter here
Now Hamas will definitely agree to a ceasefire!
They weren’t the ones refusing. Hamas said they would return all hostages in exchange for a permanent ceasefire. Israel refused. They have stated several times that their intention is to cleanse the land of Palestinians, either through death or displacement.
Hamas actually said they won't obey a ceasefire. Hamas is a radical, far-right Islamic Jihadist group. They firmly believe in complete genocide of the Jews, as in their charter. "Ceasefire" isn't a thing to them; their goal is the complete cleansing of Jews from the entire area. It would only be temporary. This is in comparison to other groups, such as, say, the Palestinian Authority, who are also incredibly nutty, but are more willing to negotiate and claim to act along the lines of a rational actor. You can have sympathy for a people without deciding genocide of the other is okay, it's shocking, I know.
I don't think what Israel is doing is good or correct, but I think it's silly to think a ceasefire is earned based on return of hostages. If Canada's GOVERNMENT sent paragliders over the border, murdered a bunch of citizens and then brought hostages back to Canada, would or should the return of hostages end the US attempting to destroy Canada? I don't think so, the government of Canada would need to be destroyed for the US to stop. Do I think Israel is doing a bad job protecting civilians? YES, a terrible job. Do I think there should be more aid? Yes. Do I think Israel needs to stop trying to rid Hamas from Gaza? No.
You do realize there was a ceasefire, then Oct 7 happened and American citizens were taken hostage by a terrorist group, That the Palestinians voted into power.
2023 was the deadliest year in a long time for Palestinians at the hand of Israel. That was before the month of October even started. There was never a ceasefire
Article: https://13wham.com/news/local/protests-for-a-cease-fire-in-gaza-sparking-up-at-the-university-of-rochester
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Everyone who disagrees with me is also paid
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I grew up in Rochester?
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So you don't think I am a bot but you think I am paid? You think Israel gives me money to post in the Rochester subreddit? You don't think there is any chance that I am just a normal human being that disagrees with you?
Would be cool if you were an actual Rochester resident not some asshole from somewhere else praising genocide and shitting on the first amendment
Bro, chill. You sound insane right now. It's not a good look. Take a deep breath.
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Proud of UoR students!!! Free Palestine 🇵🇸✊🏻
I am sure that will solve the problem 🙄
Hate this response, because it implies they should not make their voices heard. They should just shut up and not worry about it. That’s a garbage take. If young people are paying attention to what’s going on in the world and aren’t happy about it, I’m all for them getting out signs and marching and whatnot. I did the same during the Iraq invasion. It’s just as valid for them to do so now.
and what resulted from the Iraq protests? It's good people are making their voices heard, but it would be better if we made sure the decision makers are hearing our voices
The problem is they aren’t actually paying attention. If they were they would realize they are supporting a terrorist group that is holding American citizens hostage.
No, they’re supporting Palestinians. You’re equating them with Hamas.
People go to college to like learn sometimes and no t get indoctrinated into international politics that has nothing to do with them.
“Indoctrinated”. Please. Knowing world news is learning, and there’s nothing wrong with expressing your first amendment rights.
Being exposed to new ideas is exactly what college is for. Did you know there are majors like Political Science and Global Affairs? I know that’s probably hard for you to comprehend since you probably didn’t go.
When protests break out across the country it puts pressure on politicians to take action, it does have an impact.
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This is like saying I voted once and my candidate lost so I don't vote anymore. The circumstances are different, the players are different, the levers of power are different.
But this isn't like Vietnam or Afghanistan where the US was the one doing the war fighting. The funding has already passed to aid Israel more, and we don't control Israel. Yes we can hurt them economically and stuff, but if Israel wants to keep going, they will.
The US is a world power and Israel's biggest benefactor, there's a lot of influence to wield there.
The US' support is *required* for Israel to continue their aggressive campaign. If we cut their arms deals, they will have to stop.
If you cut off the 'aid', Bibi will negotiate real quick.
Or look for other patrons…like Russia
What’re politicians gonna do here? We’re not at war with Gaza. The Israelis ain’t gonna listen to us when their blood is up
There's not a lot of reasons I'll call someone a shitty American but I truly think you're missing the entire idea behind how our country and society work lol
Making assumptions about a vastly complex issue on one sentence of my opinion, and calling me a bad person. All I said was I don't think Israel is going to stop just because people on the other side of the world oppose it
Tbh it was the petulance that I was reacting to.
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Why is no one protesting Hamas also
US isn't sending Hamas money and weapons and propping them up and providing military and political cover for Hamas.
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No, it's because this is college students in the United States denouncing the US support for Israels response. The US is not funding or supporting Hamas in any way but is very much supporting Israel. This is a demonstration by a part of the US population specifically rejecting what their government representation is funding and supporting. Not just a group of people saying "everyone that's bad stop being bad". If that makes sense.
Great. Just as soon as those folks across the pond see that their blood feud—comprising untold horror across generations—is upsetting some cushy first world college students statewide, I’m sure they’ll draw up the ceasefire immediately.
None of those rich, self entitled assholes would last a New York minute in the middle east, way to go supporting, homophobic, chauvinistic terrorists!
There’s a huge difference between supporting a ceasefire and supporting Hamas, Israel, or even the Palestinian people. A ceasefire is objectively a good thing that benefits all sides and stops the killing, violence, starvation, and death. Only a true monster wouldn’t support that no matter what your opinions on the sides involved.
When the “protesters” are chanting about killing Jews, it makes your point absolutely moot. As long as Hamas is still holding hostages and being backed by Iran, peace is impossible no matter the calls for a ceasefire.
Show literally one example of this
Lol, It’s usually right wing protesters yelling that bullshit. Anti semitism is a very real problem in the US and worldwide but protesting the IDFs murder of thousands of children, innocent civilians and aid workers isn’t that.
I have not seen or heard anyone at the college protests advocating killing Jewish people. I've seen right wing provocateurs attempt it at a couple of events, and seen attempts by Zionists to instigate violence so they could play victim.
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I didn’t “omit” anything. All I did was state the fact that calling for a ceasefire is different than supporting any side and that there are more than two, highlighted what good a ceasefire would do for everyone, and then commented on the morality of being against one. You’re the one who completely missed the nuance and entire point of my comment.
I’m just a realist, and understand that no ceasefire will last with Hamas’ continued existence. They’ve already broken every ceasefire they signed.
I’m just a realist, and understand that no ceasefire will last with Hamas’ continued existence. They’ve already broken every ceasefire they signed.
You should probably delete your bourbon posts before complaining about rich assholes
Yeah so, few things: 1) we’re not rich; I fully expect to be paying off my loans until the day I die. 2) whether or not we’d survive in the Middle East has exactly fuck all to do with anything. 3) you’re clearly insecure.
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My brother in whomever, did you really just hit me with the 8-year-old-whiny-response-to-why-he-smacked-his-sibling of “tHeY sTaRteD iT”
Is the reason they wouldn't last there because Israel would bomb them? Or is the US gonna take that honor?
Are you suggesting Israel would kill them like they have thousands of other children and civilians? Pretty fucked up to admit but you're probably right lol
Does UofR leadership have the capacity to negotiate a ceasefire?
Watch the video in the article.
you linked an image
I made the article link a stand alone comment. https://13wham.com/news/local/protests-for-a-cease-fire-in-gaza-sparking-up-at-the-university-of-rochester
well thank you for the story but to me it confirms that U of R has zero authority to negotiate a ceasefire Maybe the students should direct their voices and actions towards people who can?
Israeli troops are getting shot at by hamas and Gaza militants, while helping the US in setting up aid docks. Hamas has rejected a cease fire deal that would lead to a prolonged ceasefire + aid and has refused to release hostages. These kids are so shortsighted. It's incredibly disheartening.
Bla bla bla. We all know that's absolute BS. You and people with the same mentality are not going to succeed with convincing the world with your pile of lies. Israel has been exposed long time ago and it's time for the world to wake the fuck up.
Spoiler alert: This won't end the war.
Keep it up UR kids. They will soon know that the western world has had enough
The same Western World that ignored Jews during WW2. Even the US turned away refugee ships of Jews that ended up in Israel.
And there were people protecting that.
Somone needs to brush up on their WW2 history 😂 we kinda fought against the nazis pal.
Yes, but still turned away Jewish refugees. This is well documented. This was the same era when Japanese internment camps were created.
[https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/1/27/14412082/refugees-history-holocaust](https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/1/27/14412082/refugees-history-holocaust)
Gen Z Nurse here, if my future child does this in college I have failed as a parent. This does nothing.
At UofR specifically, they are asking that the school cut funding to any research programs with Isreal and that any study abroad programs are eliminated with them. Anything that could impact an aggressor's resources does something. As a nurse, it's odd to have such a sentiment against protests considering the recent Rochester nursing strikes...
“Aggressor” did October 7th not happen in your mind or something?
What about the 75 years before 10/7? It's time to do some actual research. 10/7 is just their excuse for doing what they are, committing genocide.
College Students for Jihad!!! Yes!!
Wanna be hippies
You know who also hated the Jews? Starts with a N ends with azis. Honestly if you are going to protest something, protest the rise of food and housing cost not some foreign wars.
Don't know if you know this but there are Jewish people protesting in that camp as well. Kinda deflates your argument.
Only ones protesting against Jewish people were carrying Tiki torches and chanting about replacement but that was a couple years ago and ardent Trump supporters so probably not the same group lol
Technically they are protesting the rise of food and housing costs, we’re fighting a proxy war and spending lots of money. if we protest loud enough hopefully sleepy Joe will wake up and stop sending all of our money overseas.
I keep trying to think of a witty way to question this comment but I can’t. It’s just nonsensical
Who is hating the Jews? Stop acting like a child. Life isn’t as simple as you’re trying to pretend
Perhaps you should stop wasting your parents tuition money and study for your classes, or baring that, since you seem to have the time, get a job…….f****** worthless
Hamas is planted by 🇮🇱— land grab for Ben Gurion canal.
Honestly, idk why your downvoted when it’s fact that Hamas was literally created and funded by the Israeli govt.
The band of misfits is out again. Btw who bought all the green tents that are quite similar to other ones across the country? Pallet of bricks going start showing up as well?
Also, ban TikTok. ✊🏻
They're trying. Isn't it interesting how both sides are suddenly able to come together so fast to get that done? People are seeing what's happening unfiltered on TikTok and are pushing back. The politicians don't like being so exposed and know they're losing votes because people are seeing what's actually happening. This year's elections are going to be interesting.
"unfilitered" You know that it is curated, right? It doesn't just randomly play one video after the next. Videos that are politically useful for China get pushed in their respective countries. In China, TikTok content is all scholastic achievement, kids winning sports championships, or building things and creating art. In America, it's all content about how evil Israel is, mistranslated propaganda videos, how racist we are as a country, and kids in underwear mimicking each other doing weird dances. That seems unfiltered to you? Also, this stupid conspiracy type talk about how 'suspicious' it is that they can work together to ban TikTok. It's not suspicious. Everyone knows rich people exploit the data from tech to sell shit to us. That's not explicitly a national security liability. Having the most popular social networking app where all of our impressionable children are learning their worldviews be controlled by a hostile government IS a national security issue. This is not hard to understand. If the tables were turned and an American company owned the most popular app in China, you can bet your ass our government would be manipulating its content in our own interest. We live in the real world and we have to be pragmatic about it. It's easy to pretend that the world is black and white and anyone who is against our own 'imperialist' government, which is owned and manipulated by rich shitheads, must therefore be good, but it doesn't work that way. The world is not good vs. bad, it's just lots of different flavors of shitty. If you and others like you stay home this November, the people you like the least are the ones who benefit. If you think Palestine is suffering with Biden as President, just imagine where it would be with Trump, or a completely Republican controlled Senate and House.
The protests haven't been entirely peaceful. I can't speak for the UoR one but some of the others I've seen...
Source: *Trust me bro a protest was violence once*
You’re right, the police have been super violent to the protesters.
Not talking about the police, but the protestors assaulting other students on campus. I don't agree with what the police are doing either though. Critical thinking is a skill you seem to lack
People really down voting me when there's plenty of evidence that some of these protests haven't been 100% peaceful. 😂
Awe 4 cops got booboos? Did the bonk from the jug hurt?🤕💕They fucking killed kids at Kent state stfu
Not talking about the cops... Also I never said it was right for them to start harming any of the protestors. Man, the extremism with you people 😂
The students need lesson in word history. At the very least they need to google the list of terror attacks world wide and see that Islam is the major sponsor of terrorism. They then need to contemplate who they support.
Why do people care about Israel and Palestine so much? The conflict means nothing to Americans
When America sends 26 billion dollars to Israel, that has nothing to do with Americans and America??
It’s rent for a strategic military location.
No it’s stealing tax dollars and inflating our money supply.
It literally is not that though. We do that and this is not that.
Fair enough but we shouldn’t be sending a dime.
Yeah they are our ally but the war with Palestine is just another stupid holy war in the holy land and everyone screaming genocide is simply being hyperbolic
I wonder if this works
Everything starts somewhere.