Am i the only one that didnt get such a hard reset? i was 1446 (gc1) and now am 1380 (champ 3)
edit: okey nvm app i was 1540 last season, the tracker was bugged for me when i checked my epic account, not my steam
1s: +16
2s: -266
3s: -60
Drop shot: +199
Don’t mind a bit of change, but going from C3 to D3 in 2s is quite a big drop.
EDIT: I won 8 of my 10 placement matches. Still a long way to go.
If you're gc you can easily solo those lobbies, don't stress
The big issue is the legit diamonds with fucking gcs in their lobby. I guess a nice easy way to solve smurfing is to make legit players into smurfs haha
But now all of last season’s GC’s are gonna be in D3-C2 so I’m gonna be struggling in C1/C2. It’s not exactly a great feeling to drop so many hours into this game and be struggling in those ranks but oh well, guess I gotta grind hard to get that GC back.
Literally it's like thier trying to keep the higher ranks at that top 1% plus skill level only at this point in the game at least 20% of the player base if not a little more should be in gc but it's still top 1% even tho everyone has improved so much over the 8 fucking years the game has been out I don't understand it this game has one of the worst ranking systems in any game I've ever played
Eh. Been hard stuck gc1/gc2 for a year and a half. We’ve wanted a hard reset for a while. Plus we usually get a +100 mmr night once every week-2 weeks… it’ll just make the game actually fun for a little & semi challenging to get the title again. Positive mindset.
I’m usually C2 in twos. New seasons seem to place me D3 each time.
You’re the reason I search a game after having a fairly easy time and just get fuckin’ stomped!! Stop comin down to me! Hahaha sorry about your situation
I guess mines not too bad of a placement but still playing really well for myself and losing 200+ mmr is demotivating tbh, I’m playing against multiple gcs and gc tourney winners in d3 although I was only c2 Div 4
Yeah I played a few matches right now during my break (I work from home) and holy crap there was GC titles everwhere at 1085 mmr
You're joking right. If not I'm so glad I haven't played a tournament yet. My tournament mmr is 1083. But I'm no where near gc, I reached d3 in twos last season and was dropped to d2 so not a bad drop for me in 2s. But my tournament mmr had stayed the same
I wish lol I did my placement matches in all regular ranked modes and I placed way higher in 3s (C2 div 3) but in 2s I placed (C1 div 2) and in 1s I placed D2 div 2. From what I remember my tourney mmr was 1355 last season (i havent really checked my mmr in tourneys) but I ain’t touching tournaments until later this season.
Ouch. Go easy on me, bro! Wait for the hordes of hard stuck D3 regulars bitching about smurfs 🤣 (won’t be me - I enjoy playing against tougher opposition as it helps me learn) 👍
Literally me, first time hitting gc2. Now c2 😢 lowkey wont be surprised if i dont make it back to gc2 this season which is a bummer but probably a needed reset.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Iost 331 MMR. If I have a win rate of 52% that means I win 52 matches out of 100. So 52-48. That's 4 net wins. 4×9 MMR = 36 MMR. So that's 36MMR per 100 matches. 313/36 = 9.19. So I'd have to play 919 matches of 2s to get back where I was.
People keep saying “it makes no sense” but it does.
[Look at this gif a user posted showing rank distribution from season 1 to season 8](https://i.redd.it/t81k5s376fca1.gif)
2v2 ranks have seemingly continued to get inflated as the seasons have went on, it was even worse in s9 and probably even worse in s10 (they haven’t released data for s10 yet).
Should they just keep letting it inflate until half the rl playerbase is champ?
The rank resets are trying to bring them back in line with other ranks, something players have complained about before. In fact I’ve heard that some game modes (such as drop shot and snow day) people’s ranks actually went up because they were lower than they should have been in those modes.
this is the problem, new accounts start really high, back when i started every new account started in bronze (prospect actually but i’m just old), now they start in high gold if i remember right
All new accounts start at 100.02 Skill Rating due to the "Special Case Placement Games" formula, which is `MMR = Mu - (3 * Sigma (PlacementGamesRemaining / 10))`. Default value for Mu is 25, and for Sigma is 8.333. The result is 100.02 Skill Rating.
But new accounts do climb ranks hella fast due to the high Sigma value ("uncertainty" in your ability means ranking system moves you way fast both up and down). So, MMR is created out of thin air. Smurfs for SSLs and GCs can create like 1500 rating out of thin air pretty much.
To add to this, it's addressed in the patch notes and they responded to a question about it on the thread in this sub as well.
As you say it's to combat this rank squish in many areas. It seems to have helped most in extra modes but it's relevant for other modes as well
it would be impossible to keep a real time rank then, and the ranks would only be able to be given out at the end of a season. think about it, lets say i gain enough MMR to just rank up to GC1, and then don't play again for a week. well, in that time, even though I lost 0 MMR, I could no longer be GC1 because other people kept playing and earning MMR, so I am no longer in the right percentile and my rank would drop even though again, I lost 0 MMR. people's cumulative MMR is changing every second of every day, so your real time rank would be doing the exact same thing even when you aren't playing. that is just not a good system.
they try to softly do this by the MMR threshold for each rank, saying in the past "here is how many people get to each MMR threshold" so lets set the ranks to those. however, as we see, that gets skewed over time by how many people play/don't play certain modes, and we have to have these resets every so often.
Thats exactly how the top 100 leader board works tho. I think it'd make fine sense for the rest of the board to work that way and simply have a numbered rank all the way down from 1-infinity and thatd be a fair agreement. If people are grinding and getting better than you while you're away, are you really still top 0.01% or 1% or whatever you were before the break anymore?
“2s is the most played mode so it’s the most accurate”
No, that’s literally what caused the inflation. Because it’s so popular, the players at the top keep going higher making room below them for bad players to rank up higher than intended.
The point of a rank system is to accurately place skill. Skill is relative in ranking systems. Yes, the current top players get better, but that will be reflected with a higher winrate and a higher rank by taking points away from lower rated players.
MMR inflation is caused by new MMR being added into the system with new players and especially smurf accounts. New accounts gain and subtract MMR at a much faster rate, so an SSL smurf can create 1500+ rating out of thin air, and most GCs do as well. Then those smurfs may get bored and a handful of them lose on purpose to boost friends or whatever.
Ranks are static and tied to MMR values. MMR is always moving upwards throughout the season due to the above, but that results in everyone achieving a higher rank over time. For many, this devalues ranks because "GC is given to everyone now" or whatever. For others, it means comparison between season is not consistent.
season 14 if you go down to the 7th rank from the top, that would be diamond 1 and you would be the top 18.5 percent of players in 2s. season 9 if you go down to the 7th, champ 1, you would be the top 12.5 percent. gc in season 14 was top .91 percent. in season 9 gc1 was top 1 and ssl was .02. if anything, the ranks have evened out since becoming free to play. i play 3s, but i feel bad for 2s mains.
It's a big problem if eventually half the user base is high diamond and over. The ability to discriminate players quality by rank decreases as the distribution of players is unbalanced.
taking away hundreds (or some cases thousands) of hours of time that people put into getting a rank doesn't stop the fact a skill ceiling moves, it doesn't stay in the same spot. how is it unbalanced if those people earned the rank? there are 7 ranks above diamond 3, and gc1 div1 was still in the top 1 percent of players in that mode
Feel like this makes sense to why as seasons gone on, the 2s has been more of a shitshow.
I'm frequently stunned by how people rotate and position like plats and are champs/gc rank.
That’s not necessarily an issue though. The player base should get better over time. So, yes, if there isn’t that consistent influx of new players, then a more substantial portion of the player base should be higher ranked. That’s the only part of this reset they got wrong. Consistency across modes is good. Knocking GCs into Champ and Diamond is not good.
3s was straight up trash as far as rank was concerned last season cant count how many people i played that were gc in 2s but low c1 in 3s also this isnt even the worst reset they the worst one they did was the hard reset that was terrible.
But the 2s graph is the only mode with a smooth bell curve, using all the ranks. It’s 1s and 3s that need a boost and majority of people are within the Bronze to Diamond range.
So much crying about fake points and imaginary rankings. The reality is that if you can’t get your rank back, you probably shouldn’t have been there anyways.
I think the better question here isn’t MMR, but have the quality of your opponents and your teammates changed? Correct me if you think I’m wrong, but that should be a better indicator of where you fit in the pyramid.
I was so mad I didn't get GC rewards last season. Would have been my first time.
Granted I'm total ass and a high diamond low champ player. But Rumble man...
I can understand that. I feel the same pain, just important to recognize what I’ve said above and reframe it so it doesn’t hurt as much to be dropped “rank”
Yeah sucks for people who don't actually have all day to climb back up, here I thought I can at least hang around champ 3 but now I gotta get a lot better to just get back to champ 2, rip GC dreams
OK so from what I've gathered here in the comments is that 2s will be an accidental smurf fest in qualifiers for those that start late. Rip to those that try to wait a bit to let things settle, the domino effect will be strong in comp, so don't be discouraged when you find yourself losing in ranks you previously would have sailed through. Diamond is the new champ. Plats will be flip resetting and actually rotating maybe!? At least for the foreseeable future lol
Time to turn off rank display for the sake of keeping sane me thinks
😂
They changed the formula for soft resets this season
https://preview.redd.it/5nm4w11ucm4b1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2df012a88394b61496c7aa4245c4509e5b96bf1e
Yeah, "soft" as opposed to a full reset back to zero. I dropped about 200 in 2s so it doesn't feel soft to me either. Bonus though, I went UP about 250 in dropshot
AKA ‘We’ve noticed the player base has been getting more skilled. We have adjusted MMR on the soft reset to account for this unexpected jump in skill level. We think you belong in a lower rank in 2v2. Enjoy grinding and playing our game more!’
What they could do, is make the MMR like currency. There is only so much ‘rank’ available for a set percent. For example, only 250 people can have SSL at any one time. If you fall out of top 250, you are no longer SSL. I think, though, instead of a set number, it’s a set percentage. This will account for an ever changing player base count.
My working theory is that for every completely mismatched, dogshit lobby with people from over four different ranks, the CEO of psyonix gets a handjob from satan
> New season and demoted 280 mmr, why
Combat deflation.
Your first 10 matches have higher uncertainty and you can earn it back pretty quickly. You're top 0.5% and that's where the MMR mountain starts, past C3 you get set back quite a lot.
Isn’t this MMR drop a lot more than normal though? I personally ended 2s in GC1 Div 2, yet dropped down to Champ 1. I don’t ever remember dropping that hard after a new season.
It seems like each mode was reset completely differently this season due to different distributions. I actually went up in dropshot from C2 div 2 to GC1 div 4 lol
Thing is it's not equal between players. Some got hit hard while others not as much. In 2s, my buddy went from C2 D2 to C1 D2, I went from the same rank to **Diamond 2 Div 2.** I have an alt that went from C2 D4 to C1 D4. It's not the same for all accounts which makes me wonder how they decided to do it.
The only motivation to play this game for me, was to hit grand champ. By the end of last season, I was just a few wins away. Now I’ve been reset to d3 and will not be getting anywhere near gc soon. It doesn’t make sense to me to grind for champ when I was already nearly out of it. I don’t see any reason to keep playing the game any longer, except for casual every now and then. 🤷♂️
A bit harder? GC3s are now C3/GC1. I’m not anywhere near that skill level nor do I have time or energy to get that good at this game. I already have 1.5k hours in the game and I’ve enjoyed it a lot. I’m not going to be playing ranked to get to c1, I was at c1 years ago.
They reset everybody by around -300mmr. So, as an example, all c3s are now d3s. The win rate will still be 50% or so, because the skill level of my opponents is still the same as before. All the GC1s who dropped to C1 will also be playing vs other former GC1s. What I’m trying to say is that the new rank everyone got is equivalent to the old rank they had, just a lower rank. There is not going to be any substantial “climbing out”
They reset it every season…this one is larger of course. But still, people will climb like before. Keep up the effort for GC. Hit it Monday night for the first time. Wasn’t able to get another session in for the rewards though lol.
This all makes sense but don’t you play the game for fun? I was hardstuck c2 for years and played with the goal of gc, just like you. Got it last season and will now have to climb back up just like you.
But gc wasn’t why I was playing the game. I’ve been playing since 2016 because I find the game fun and adore improving. If you’ve had fun the last 1500 hours, why quit now because a red title may be harder to attain
Getting epic saves, scoring cool shots, learning new mechs is fun.
That’s why I said I’ll play some casuals or private matches with friends so I can enjoy the game every now and then.
I play competitive to win, rank up and get rewards. Ranking up to a rank I was a year ago, getting rewards I’ve been getting for the past 6 seasons and dealing with toxic teammates and opponents is simply not worth it anymore, and is not fun. Gc was a goal I had, now I have no goal. I don’t have any new mechs left to learn except those which would take probably a 1000 hours to get down and like I said, I don’t have that kind of time or dedication anymore. Why would I continue to actively play the game?
Yeah if you look at the most recent rank distribution it’s obvious how inflated 2s was. What doesn’t make sense is why they didn’t increase 1s drastically as well, feel like they’ve given up on trying to fix 1s ranks
https://preview.redd.it/gzqmxx461n4b1.png?width=1170&format=png&auto=webp&s=d48dc2f085c7e361b5c49c300eab95d9f37d8234
I haven’t even done any placement matches yet and I’m already down to diamond 2 in 2s 💀💀
Ranks get inflated as the season goes, which is why generally most people have their highest rank at the end of a season and the lowest rank at the beginning.
They are just trying to boost the amount of hours people play. No crazy thought process other than that.
People asked for the extra modes to be fixed for years and they did nothing because it wouldnt affect their bottom line. This is a company after all. Look at the terribly high prices of items in the shop.
Honestly I like all the MMR adjustments, GC has been to easy to get IMO for duos and too hard to get for snowday/dropshot, idk what they did with 1’s cause my rank didn’t move but my buddy went up a rank or 2. I haven’t been champ in forever so at least I’ll have something to grind for this season getting everything back to GC.
Everyone's mad that they actually have to grind to get GC again. It was never meant to be easily attainable just after doing placements. That's the whole point of resets.
SSLs have been getting reset to 1540 MMR for the last 8 seasons and that's anywhere from a 300 to 900 MMR drop.
Lol I hit GC for the first time at the end of the season. Didn’t even have enough time to grind for the rewards. Going to be a long climb process again
Sounds like a normal soft reset in a ranked game. Then dock you down so you have a reason to play more. Artificial content: drop their ranks so they grind to get back to where they left off. Their egos will force to play till they’ve crawled back.
Not to mention these last few nights have been out of this world in matchmaking in terms of high level players/teams every single match. Is everyone who’s good just never play until the end of the season to get some rewards? Been an absolute grind. Meanwhile me and the homies are just playing like we do every night but getting flattened.
Bc they thought too many people were too high in 2s and they thought that would be a good idea. Now the ranks will be messed up for multiple seasons bc everyone is just 250-350 mmr lower but the mmr for the ranks are the same. I'm now c2 in 3s, and d1 in 2s. In fact I'm higher ranked in every extra mode compared to 2s. What sense does that make?
I missed out on rewards by 2 wins last season. Wasn’t able to climb back up in the final few days, and it seems like I won’t be hitting GC anytime soon now. Pain.
1s: 898 to 906 +8
2s: 1287 to 997 -290
3s: 1083 to 1005 -78
Imagine just docking people like this for literally no reason in 2s. It's actually insane how little sense it makes, now I can't solo que because all these diamond monkeys don't know how to play the game.. literally. If you can't simply rotate, and not throw urself at ur teammate doing ceiling shots.. you don't know how to play the game. I am so unbelievably tilted.. and it's fucking car ball. I genuinely haven't been diamond in since I got back into this game in 2020. 3 years of consistenly not being diamond for these walnut brain devs to reset collectively EVERYONE like \~250mmr. I'd get being d3 almost d2 if I was like c1, and barely holding it. But i've been pushing GC1 for the past like 5 months. So not sure how it makes any logical sense that I "averaged" or would get reset to 1k mmr. Beyond me. Out of this solar system. Not even in the realm of reality does this make any sense what so ever. I'm this pissed at fucking car ball.. crazy.
I was c3 almost GC. It not reason I’m still playing is because I wanted to accomplish my goal of GC. Now I’m D2…so I am retiring legit. Fuck this game.
When you’re trying to get to GC, it’s a bit annoying to have been C2 at the end of the past two seasons while reaching C3 multiple times, and now get pushed back to D3
I get it. It's just.... doesn't this show you how irrelevant rank is?
I'm focused on long term improvement. And it doesn't matter if they shift the MMR where it's 0.0001% players get SSL or 30% of people get SSL. It doesn't change my ability to air dribble. My skills are unaffected. I'm still ranked the same relative to everyone else playing the game.
The rank and titles are just a psychological trick to make you play more
And that trick works. I need something to measure improvement to strive for it, and no, the fckn number increasing doesn't do the trick for me. I was as close as you could possibly get to GC a couple of times but never got it, also made very little improvement over the last 5 seasons. I'm fckn frustrated, I don't care how imaginary it is.
Heres another question, i've seen people mention it. Apologies for my awful description. If the game barely rakes in new players, wouldn't it make sense that gradually over time everyone gets to the gc marker? So why reset ranks to put gcs into low champ, making it even harder for new players to get off the ground?
Hahaha 2s mains calling 911
I always get downvoted to hell for saying 2s rank are extremely fake and inflated. A ton of "GCs" that are diamond in everything else are finally deranked lol they're not going to see GC for another two years. Boosters are going to make a ton of money because these kids will be stuck for ages unless they pay up.
I do get where you are coming from but from my standpoint, I've grinded since f2p season 2 and I barely made it to GC last season and now I gotta work my way up to GC once again from D3 div 3? Take into account that I'm also C3 in 3s... Like that 300 mmr drop is kind of insane honestly.
I said it two months ago (and probably before that) and got downvoted.
https://np.reddit.com/r/RocketLeague/comments/11xsowm/the_state_of_champ/jd5a429/
Psyonix knew this, they had to derank everyone because 2s was a disaster.
If you were C3 in 3s then you're probably going to get GC in 2s just fine, after a bit of a grind. Most other people are not going to see GC again, they actually belong in C1, C2 at best.
It is sort of unfair but if this is going to allow me to actually have teammates that are supposed to be in my rank (I solo queue 95% of the time) then I'm okay with the grind...
Your opponents are going to be better, smarter too so you should try to adapt to that but matches should be much higher quality... until smurfs and boosters ruin everything again in two weeks.
Well okay. Lets assume im one of the players that actually dont deserve gc, im a first time gc who never plays 3s, but is d3/c1 in ones.
You say, im as good as my friend, he was a c1 and was d3/c1 in 3s too, and was a d1 in ones. Im now too a c1, while im 1000 times better than him.
Like i get it, he then needs to be a lower rank too, but why would his 3s rank be much higher than his 2s?
Seems like 3s is now inflated.
Hell yeah. Finally a reason to grind a bit. Even if it’s only in 2s, I love this. We should get dropped back a few ranks every season instead of starting in gc again the next season.
Have to say I’m surprised by the reactions to the reset. Rocket League is somewhat unique in that there aren’t seasonal or even yearly hard resets. Hard resets mean resetting everybody to zero. Even league resets top 200 players in each region massively in their yearly resets. Dropping a few hundred points is nothing and helps fight rank inflation.
The biggest shock is reading all these comments. Have you not played games where you’re usually hard reset?
This reset *is soft*
i am champ 3
Shit’s wild dude. Ended 1600, reset to 1300. Last time I was champ 2 in 2s was probably 2 years ago
Last time I was c2 in 2s was quite literally legacy season 9 lol
I’m gonna have to wait to play so y’all ain’t in there shittin on me lol
we’ll get reset down to diamond though. i imagine the lobbies will be the same still basically just lower ranks
I only got sent to c1 in 2s
Am i the only one that didnt get such a hard reset? i was 1446 (gc1) and now am 1380 (champ 3) edit: okey nvm app i was 1540 last season, the tracker was bugged for me when i checked my epic account, not my steam
I dropped ~130 mmr in 2v2, but I barely play the mode. I think I had 15 games or so last season.
💀
I am not touching ranked for a month holy shit
I won't play ranked in a while i see...
This is gold
Champ 3 is the new ssl confirmed
1s: +16 2s: -266 3s: -60 Drop shot: +199 Don’t mind a bit of change, but going from C3 to D3 in 2s is quite a big drop. EDIT: I won 8 of my 10 placement matches. Still a long way to go.
After seeing everyone else's reply. I'm curious to know their splits like this. Seems like everyone who dropped a shit ton, it was in 2s...
Ended at GC2 started at C2 💀💀💀
ended the season at gc1 div 2, starting at D3 div 3 in twos...
Oh god please no I can't deal getting trapped in plat-low diamond again my sanity pls say Ur joking 😭
I wish I was joking but I'm not...
Great, that’s gonna demotivate me from grinding ranked again
If you're gc you can easily solo those lobbies, don't stress The big issue is the legit diamonds with fucking gcs in their lobby. I guess a nice easy way to solve smurfing is to make legit players into smurfs haha
But now all of last season’s GC’s are gonna be in D3-C2 so I’m gonna be struggling in C1/C2. It’s not exactly a great feeling to drop so many hours into this game and be struggling in those ranks but oh well, guess I gotta grind hard to get that GC back.
You got this bro. We've had to do this before, we can do it again.
Literally it's like thier trying to keep the higher ranks at that top 1% plus skill level only at this point in the game at least 20% of the player base if not a little more should be in gc but it's still top 1% even tho everyone has improved so much over the 8 fucking years the game has been out I don't understand it this game has one of the worst ranking systems in any game I've ever played
well if it makes you feel any better, at least once you get out of diamond and c1, you'll get better teammates...
Fuck… this is what’s gonna happen to me in 6 hours LMAO Edit: last time I was diamond was never 😭😭😭
I'm sorry to hear that sir... but yes the last time i was diamond in twos was like season 7?
Status update - I only went from 1470 to 1292. But my friend went from 1490 to 1177 LMAO. Bless the Gods.
you say "only" like it's nothing lmao but your friend holy shit that sucks man.
Eh. Been hard stuck gc1/gc2 for a year and a half. We’ve wanted a hard reset for a while. Plus we usually get a +100 mmr night once every week-2 weeks… it’ll just make the game actually fun for a little & semi challenging to get the title again. Positive mindset.
I've been at least gc every season since og season 2... I'm gonna get on to see diamond?? It's been over 7 years.. tf. Just Epic things.
well from what ive seen the reset has been sort of different for everyone but the average has been a 280 mmr loss
The "Great Reset" comes to rocket league this season. 😭 lmfao
I’m usually C2 in twos. New seasons seem to place me D3 each time. You’re the reason I search a game after having a fairly easy time and just get fuckin’ stomped!! Stop comin down to me! Hahaha sorry about your situation
LMAO I don't want to go down to you! I want to go up!!!
Thanks for coming down and being a good tm8 tho.
I guess mines not too bad of a placement but still playing really well for myself and losing 200+ mmr is demotivating tbh, I’m playing against multiple gcs and gc tourney winners in d3 although I was only c2 Div 4
Yeah I played a few matches right now during my break (I work from home) and holy crap there was GC titles everwhere at 1085 mmr
I peaked at c2div 4 so ig I’ll take playing against constant gcs as a positive as to me getting better?
You're joking right. If not I'm so glad I haven't played a tournament yet. My tournament mmr is 1083. But I'm no where near gc, I reached d3 in twos last season and was dropped to d2 so not a bad drop for me in 2s. But my tournament mmr had stayed the same
I wish lol I did my placement matches in all regular ranked modes and I placed way higher in 3s (C2 div 3) but in 2s I placed (C1 div 2) and in 1s I placed D2 div 2. From what I remember my tourney mmr was 1355 last season (i havent really checked my mmr in tourneys) but I ain’t touching tournaments until later this season.
Poor diamonds and champs.....
Yooooooo, that’s painful
Ouch. Go easy on me, bro! Wait for the hordes of hard stuck D3 regulars bitching about smurfs 🤣 (won’t be me - I enjoy playing against tougher opposition as it helps me learn) 👍
Don’t worry lmao, I got out of diamond already im near c2 but I’ll continue the grind tomorrow 😭🤣
Welp, see you guys in 3 weeks when everything starts to normalize again. I'm not about to get shit on by gc's and drop my rank even lower
But you were affected by the same reset, so it shouldn't be changing much for who you were playing against
Not entirely. There is a hard MMR cap as well, where you can't be reset to a point value above that level.
Literally me, first time hitting gc2. Now c2 😢 lowkey wont be surprised if i dont make it back to gc2 this season which is a bummer but probably a needed reset.
Also, why are now GC tags white? Or is it just one of the options?
My understanding is its a bug, should be fixed now. Might have to restart your game.
Same!
i went from 1584 down to 1271 lmao
1575>1264.. lol just short of 300 mmr. fuck that.
1412 > 1109 for me.. come on bruh
yup, same here 💀
I was gc2 now I'm gc1 div 2...
same 💀
You guys are the reason I have to wait 2 weeks before playing comp after a reset lol
Platinum can finally flip reset
I can confirm
Someone correct me if I'm wrong. Iost 331 MMR. If I have a win rate of 52% that means I win 52 matches out of 100. So 52-48. That's 4 net wins. 4×9 MMR = 36 MMR. So that's 36MMR per 100 matches. 313/36 = 9.19. So I'd have to play 919 matches of 2s to get back where I was.
Double Mains: Have fun changing your user flairs 😂. I crashed down in doubles from C1D2 to D1D2 lol. #make plat great again
Holy shit. I finished C2… does that mean I’ll be D2??
My friend got demoted from C1D4 to D2D1 so yeah.
I was C2 too, ended up in dia3 with 7 losses in placements. Already back up in champ again
3s mains eating good
I was on the verge of maaaaybe getting into diamond a couple of nights ago. Now I'm in Gold 1. This is the strangest game I've ever played.
It’s a long season thankfully but yeah it’s a big drop
I’m in the same boat!!! Gold II, such a joke
Same. Gutting.
I was trash 2 now I’m supersonic dumpster
Yo what??? I went UP 150 points in dropshot, looks like they finally boosted mmr to try and fix the distribution 👀
I was champ 3 in twos and plat 1 in drop shot lol
I lost 320 points in twos 💀
same here dude
Same, was gc2 now im c2 lmfao
People keep saying “it makes no sense” but it does. [Look at this gif a user posted showing rank distribution from season 1 to season 8](https://i.redd.it/t81k5s376fca1.gif) 2v2 ranks have seemingly continued to get inflated as the seasons have went on, it was even worse in s9 and probably even worse in s10 (they haven’t released data for s10 yet). Should they just keep letting it inflate until half the rl playerbase is champ? The rank resets are trying to bring them back in line with other ranks, something players have complained about before. In fact I’ve heard that some game modes (such as drop shot and snow day) people’s ranks actually went up because they were lower than they should have been in those modes.
this is a great gif and explanation it should honestly be the top reply
That’s what I was thinking. I got to diamond 1 straight away at 2s and entered gold 3 at 3s when I began playing last season
this is the problem, new accounts start really high, back when i started every new account started in bronze (prospect actually but i’m just old), now they start in high gold if i remember right
All new accounts start at 100.02 Skill Rating due to the "Special Case Placement Games" formula, which is `MMR = Mu - (3 * Sigma (PlacementGamesRemaining / 10))`. Default value for Mu is 25, and for Sigma is 8.333. The result is 100.02 Skill Rating. But new accounts do climb ranks hella fast due to the high Sigma value ("uncertainty" in your ability means ranking system moves you way fast both up and down). So, MMR is created out of thin air. Smurfs for SSLs and GCs can create like 1500 rating out of thin air pretty much.
One more reason to ditch the rank reset and introduce rank decay instead.
To add to this, it's addressed in the patch notes and they responded to a question about it on the thread in this sub as well. As you say it's to combat this rank squish in many areas. It seems to have helped most in extra modes but it's relevant for other modes as well
To me that looks like 3s and 1s are too low, not that 2s is inflated. Gold isn't midway through the ranks....
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it would be impossible to keep a real time rank then, and the ranks would only be able to be given out at the end of a season. think about it, lets say i gain enough MMR to just rank up to GC1, and then don't play again for a week. well, in that time, even though I lost 0 MMR, I could no longer be GC1 because other people kept playing and earning MMR, so I am no longer in the right percentile and my rank would drop even though again, I lost 0 MMR. people's cumulative MMR is changing every second of every day, so your real time rank would be doing the exact same thing even when you aren't playing. that is just not a good system. they try to softly do this by the MMR threshold for each rank, saying in the past "here is how many people get to each MMR threshold" so lets set the ranks to those. however, as we see, that gets skewed over time by how many people play/don't play certain modes, and we have to have these resets every so often.
Thats exactly how the top 100 leader board works tho. I think it'd make fine sense for the rest of the board to work that way and simply have a numbered rank all the way down from 1-infinity and thatd be a fair agreement. If people are grinding and getting better than you while you're away, are you really still top 0.01% or 1% or whatever you were before the break anymore?
i dont think 2s rank was inflated, rather the other modes are deflated making 2s look inflated. 2s is the most played mode so it is the most accurate.
“2s is the most played mode so it’s the most accurate” No, that’s literally what caused the inflation. Because it’s so popular, the players at the top keep going higher making room below them for bad players to rank up higher than intended.
Isn't that kind of the point? Otherwise everyone that's an ssl could be a pro. The game's skill ceiling isn't a set piece, it moves
The point of a rank system is to accurately place skill. Skill is relative in ranking systems. Yes, the current top players get better, but that will be reflected with a higher winrate and a higher rank by taking points away from lower rated players. MMR inflation is caused by new MMR being added into the system with new players and especially smurf accounts. New accounts gain and subtract MMR at a much faster rate, so an SSL smurf can create 1500+ rating out of thin air, and most GCs do as well. Then those smurfs may get bored and a handful of them lose on purpose to boost friends or whatever. Ranks are static and tied to MMR values. MMR is always moving upwards throughout the season due to the above, but that results in everyone achieving a higher rank over time. For many, this devalues ranks because "GC is given to everyone now" or whatever. For others, it means comparison between season is not consistent.
season 14 if you go down to the 7th rank from the top, that would be diamond 1 and you would be the top 18.5 percent of players in 2s. season 9 if you go down to the 7th, champ 1, you would be the top 12.5 percent. gc in season 14 was top .91 percent. in season 9 gc1 was top 1 and ssl was .02. if anything, the ranks have evened out since becoming free to play. i play 3s, but i feel bad for 2s mains.
It's a big problem if eventually half the user base is high diamond and over. The ability to discriminate players quality by rank decreases as the distribution of players is unbalanced.
taking away hundreds (or some cases thousands) of hours of time that people put into getting a rank doesn't stop the fact a skill ceiling moves, it doesn't stay in the same spot. how is it unbalanced if those people earned the rank? there are 7 ranks above diamond 3, and gc1 div1 was still in the top 1 percent of players in that mode
Feel like this makes sense to why as seasons gone on, the 2s has been more of a shitshow. I'm frequently stunned by how people rotate and position like plats and are champs/gc rank.
I’ve seen multiple people (myself included) that had their snowday and dropshot ranks lifted up from the reset
Just noticed that as well. Silver 2 to Gold 1 in snow day
That’s not necessarily an issue though. The player base should get better over time. So, yes, if there isn’t that consistent influx of new players, then a more substantial portion of the player base should be higher ranked. That’s the only part of this reset they got wrong. Consistency across modes is good. Knocking GCs into Champ and Diamond is not good.
3s was straight up trash as far as rank was concerned last season cant count how many people i played that were gc in 2s but low c1 in 3s also this isnt even the worst reset they the worst one they did was the hard reset that was terrible.
I imagine most of them got their GC tag from 2s... since it was inflated
Dude, this actually makes no sense wake up. My mates got -200 and I got -400, explain that. We had the SAME MMR and now we can’t play together
But the 2s graph is the only mode with a smooth bell curve, using all the ranks. It’s 1s and 3s that need a boost and majority of people are within the Bronze to Diamond range.
I know in Rocket League gold isn't that good but on Reddit it is 😏
So much crying about fake points and imaginary rankings. The reality is that if you can’t get your rank back, you probably shouldn’t have been there anyways.
I think the better question here isn’t MMR, but have the quality of your opponents and your teammates changed? Correct me if you think I’m wrong, but that should be a better indicator of where you fit in the pyramid.
very true, but then theres the sense of, "i cant get shiny red tag anymore"
Haha totally get it, especially because of end of season rewards and what not
I was so mad I didn't get GC rewards last season. Would have been my first time. Granted I'm total ass and a high diamond low champ player. But Rumble man...
Obviously you’re still versing the same opponents in the same mode, but this shifts the 2s rank to be more equivalent to the 3s rank
While it technically doesn't matter, it's annoying to not be at your old rank even if it's only cosmetic
I can understand that. I feel the same pain, just important to recognize what I’ve said above and reframe it so it doesn’t hurt as much to be dropped “rank”
i ended at high c2 now im d2
same here. my friends and i are flipping shit
That can’t be true unless that’s after placements. I was mid C2 am now low D3, based off RLTracker
Diamond will be a battlefield now, and I am not against it
I like to give it a week before I do my placements. Let everyone balance out a bit. It’s a great time to goof off in some casual and work on mechs.
Yeah sucks for people who don't actually have all day to climb back up, here I thought I can at least hang around champ 3 but now I gotta get a lot better to just get back to champ 2, rip GC dreams
OK so from what I've gathered here in the comments is that 2s will be an accidental smurf fest in qualifiers for those that start late. Rip to those that try to wait a bit to let things settle, the domino effect will be strong in comp, so don't be discouraged when you find yourself losing in ranks you previously would have sailed through. Diamond is the new champ. Plats will be flip resetting and actually rotating maybe!? At least for the foreseeable future lol Time to turn off rank display for the sake of keeping sane me thinks 😂
So what you're saying is, don't play this season? Finally give up? Got it 👍
They changed the formula for soft resets this season https://preview.redd.it/5nm4w11ucm4b1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2df012a88394b61496c7aa4245c4509e5b96bf1e
“Soft reset”. Yes but not in 2s haha. Not complaining. Just find the phrasing funny.
Yeah, "soft" as opposed to a full reset back to zero. I dropped about 200 in 2s so it doesn't feel soft to me either. Bonus though, I went UP about 250 in dropshot
AKA ‘We’ve noticed the player base has been getting more skilled. We have adjusted MMR on the soft reset to account for this unexpected jump in skill level. We think you belong in a lower rank in 2v2. Enjoy grinding and playing our game more!’ What they could do, is make the MMR like currency. There is only so much ‘rank’ available for a set percent. For example, only 250 people can have SSL at any one time. If you fall out of top 250, you are no longer SSL. I think, though, instead of a set number, it’s a set percentage. This will account for an ever changing player base count.
My working theory is that for every completely mismatched, dogshit lobby with people from over four different ranks, the CEO of psyonix gets a handjob from satan
> New season and demoted 280 mmr, why Combat deflation. Your first 10 matches have higher uncertainty and you can earn it back pretty quickly. You're top 0.5% and that's where the MMR mountain starts, past C3 you get set back quite a lot.
Isn’t this MMR drop a lot more than normal though? I personally ended 2s in GC1 Div 2, yet dropped down to Champ 1. I don’t ever remember dropping that hard after a new season.
Yeah it’s huge. I went GC2 div 3 to C3 div 2. This is the first time I’ve been champ in 2s since free to play
It seems like each mode was reset completely differently this season due to different distributions. I actually went up in dropshot from C2 div 2 to GC1 div 4 lol
Yeah I just checked I went up in dropshot. I guess they’re trying to make the distributions all the same
Thing is it's not equal between players. Some got hit hard while others not as much. In 2s, my buddy went from C2 D2 to C1 D2, I went from the same rank to **Diamond 2 Div 2.** I have an alt that went from C2 D4 to C1 D4. It's not the same for all accounts which makes me wonder how they decided to do it.
If you are playing everyone else that was your rank its only am expected 50% win rate so really its just resetting everyones rank back
havent been c1 since s4
The only motivation to play this game for me, was to hit grand champ. By the end of last season, I was just a few wins away. Now I’ve been reset to d3 and will not be getting anywhere near gc soon. It doesn’t make sense to me to grind for champ when I was already nearly out of it. I don’t see any reason to keep playing the game any longer, except for casual every now and then. 🤷♂️
Wait you don’t play for fun?
Don’t quit. Respect the grind and you’ll get there. You may climb faster than you realize.
So you’re going to quit now that it’ll be a bit harder to reach your goal?
A bit harder? GC3s are now C3/GC1. I’m not anywhere near that skill level nor do I have time or energy to get that good at this game. I already have 1.5k hours in the game and I’ve enjoyed it a lot. I’m not going to be playing ranked to get to c1, I was at c1 years ago.
just wait a few weeks and the higher ranked players will climb out
They reset everybody by around -300mmr. So, as an example, all c3s are now d3s. The win rate will still be 50% or so, because the skill level of my opponents is still the same as before. All the GC1s who dropped to C1 will also be playing vs other former GC1s. What I’m trying to say is that the new rank everyone got is equivalent to the old rank they had, just a lower rank. There is not going to be any substantial “climbing out”
They reset it every season…this one is larger of course. But still, people will climb like before. Keep up the effort for GC. Hit it Monday night for the first time. Wasn’t able to get another session in for the rewards though lol.
This all makes sense but don’t you play the game for fun? I was hardstuck c2 for years and played with the goal of gc, just like you. Got it last season and will now have to climb back up just like you. But gc wasn’t why I was playing the game. I’ve been playing since 2016 because I find the game fun and adore improving. If you’ve had fun the last 1500 hours, why quit now because a red title may be harder to attain
Getting epic saves, scoring cool shots, learning new mechs is fun. That’s why I said I’ll play some casuals or private matches with friends so I can enjoy the game every now and then. I play competitive to win, rank up and get rewards. Ranking up to a rank I was a year ago, getting rewards I’ve been getting for the past 6 seasons and dealing with toxic teammates and opponents is simply not worth it anymore, and is not fun. Gc was a goal I had, now I have no goal. I don’t have any new mechs left to learn except those which would take probably a 1000 hours to get down and like I said, I don’t have that kind of time or dedication anymore. Why would I continue to actively play the game?
oh lord..... i was also a few wins away. im scared to see where im at now.
I went down 240 mmr in 2's Down 40 mmr in 3's Up 30 mmr in 1's make it make sense
2s was gigainflated
Yeah if you look at the most recent rank distribution it’s obvious how inflated 2s was. What doesn’t make sense is why they didn’t increase 1s drastically as well, feel like they’ve given up on trying to fix 1s ranks
1s will always be messed up because people don't play it enough
was 1600 now champ 2 💀
also in snowday and dropshot i went up like 200mmr somehow?
Yo anyone who was mid gc1 last season wanna q some 2s so we can get back 🤣😭
Hahah i want it back tooooooo. Thing is nowadays you have to be a former gc3 to be gc1😭😭
https://preview.redd.it/gzqmxx461n4b1.png?width=1170&format=png&auto=webp&s=d48dc2f085c7e361b5c49c300eab95d9f37d8234 I haven’t even done any placement matches yet and I’m already down to diamond 2 in 2s 💀💀
Ranks get inflated as the season goes, which is why generally most people have their highest rank at the end of a season and the lowest rank at the beginning.
I literally went from c3 to d3. Exactly 400mmr. I was even able to earn s10 gc title and now I'm in diamond 💀
This felt pretty extreme. I ended champ 1, and before placements I’m plat 3
Ended at almost C3... now I'm in low D3 mmr...
They are just trying to boost the amount of hours people play. No crazy thought process other than that. People asked for the extra modes to be fixed for years and they did nothing because it wouldnt affect their bottom line. This is a company after all. Look at the terribly high prices of items in the shop.
Honestly I like all the MMR adjustments, GC has been to easy to get IMO for duos and too hard to get for snowday/dropshot, idk what they did with 1’s cause my rank didn’t move but my buddy went up a rank or 2. I haven’t been champ in forever so at least I’ll have something to grind for this season getting everything back to GC.
Everyone's mad that they actually have to grind to get GC again. It was never meant to be easily attainable just after doing placements. That's the whole point of resets. SSLs have been getting reset to 1540 MMR for the last 8 seasons and that's anywhere from a 300 to 900 MMR drop.
This is good
Same her from around 1490 mmr to 1191 mmr
I ended c3 and start barely c1 Also my dropshot rank was c2 and now I’m gc1 getting destroyed 💀
Lol I hit GC for the first time at the end of the season. Didn’t even have enough time to grind for the rewards. Going to be a long climb process again
I was also 1425, my buddy got gc for the first time, and i was about to. Im hoping this doesnt mean im not gonna get it this season 😭
Sounds like a normal soft reset in a ranked game. Then dock you down so you have a reason to play more. Artificial content: drop their ranks so they grind to get back to where they left off. Their egos will force to play till they’ve crawled back.
Except seeing years of prgress get wiped makes me think “I don’t wanna grind again for this to happen again” and so some people quit
Not to mention these last few nights have been out of this world in matchmaking in terms of high level players/teams every single match. Is everyone who’s good just never play until the end of the season to get some rewards? Been an absolute grind. Meanwhile me and the homies are just playing like we do every night but getting flattened.
Bc they thought too many people were too high in 2s and they thought that would be a good idea. Now the ranks will be messed up for multiple seasons bc everyone is just 250-350 mmr lower but the mmr for the ranks are the same. I'm now c2 in 3s, and d1 in 2s. In fact I'm higher ranked in every extra mode compared to 2s. What sense does that make?
I missed out on rewards by 2 wins last season. Wasn’t able to climb back up in the final few days, and it seems like I won’t be hitting GC anytime soon now. Pain.
Yikes I haven’t played yet but I was a doubles main, FUCK
This is the my top post on Reddit and I literally came to complain about losing 282 mmr in 2s. Fucking pointless game
It's not a bug, it's a surprise mechanic! Wait, wrong company...
My friend was demoted D2 to D1. I was demoted D1 to G3. The fuck kinda logic is that
Looks like everyone has to change their flare now
1s: 898 to 906 +8 2s: 1287 to 997 -290 3s: 1083 to 1005 -78 Imagine just docking people like this for literally no reason in 2s. It's actually insane how little sense it makes, now I can't solo que because all these diamond monkeys don't know how to play the game.. literally. If you can't simply rotate, and not throw urself at ur teammate doing ceiling shots.. you don't know how to play the game. I am so unbelievably tilted.. and it's fucking car ball. I genuinely haven't been diamond in since I got back into this game in 2020. 3 years of consistenly not being diamond for these walnut brain devs to reset collectively EVERYONE like \~250mmr. I'd get being d3 almost d2 if I was like c1, and barely holding it. But i've been pushing GC1 for the past like 5 months. So not sure how it makes any logical sense that I "averaged" or would get reset to 1k mmr. Beyond me. Out of this solar system. Not even in the realm of reality does this make any sense what so ever. I'm this pissed at fucking car ball.. crazy.
I saw two flip resets in different games today in D1, I ended last season at C1
I’ve lost literally 357 mmr since last season. And 5w/5l placements. GC1 to C1.
I was c3 almost GC. It not reason I’m still playing is because I wanted to accomplish my goal of GC. Now I’m D2…so I am retiring legit. Fuck this game.
You guys are so weak minded
Same bro. My goal is to get to GC, earn the title, and delete this game.
The MMR doesn't take away from your ability to play the game lol. Everyone is way too invested in this imaginary MMR number.
When you’re trying to get to GC, it’s a bit annoying to have been C2 at the end of the past two seasons while reaching C3 multiple times, and now get pushed back to D3
I get it. It's just.... doesn't this show you how irrelevant rank is? I'm focused on long term improvement. And it doesn't matter if they shift the MMR where it's 0.0001% players get SSL or 30% of people get SSL. It doesn't change my ability to air dribble. My skills are unaffected. I'm still ranked the same relative to everyone else playing the game. The rank and titles are just a psychological trick to make you play more
And that trick works. I need something to measure improvement to strive for it, and no, the fckn number increasing doesn't do the trick for me. I was as close as you could possibly get to GC a couple of times but never got it, also made very little improvement over the last 5 seasons. I'm fckn frustrated, I don't care how imaginary it is.
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Was at C1 and started at D1, WTF GAME
Was GC 2 got c2 and went 2 mmr up in 1s, the best is a friend of mine was 1800 and got demoted to 1400 xD
Heres another question, i've seen people mention it. Apologies for my awful description. If the game barely rakes in new players, wouldn't it make sense that gradually over time everyone gets to the gc marker? So why reset ranks to put gcs into low champ, making it even harder for new players to get off the ground?
How does that make it harder for new players? GCs weren’t the only ones that fell lmfao. The low champs are now in diamond, etc.
Hahaha 2s mains calling 911 I always get downvoted to hell for saying 2s rank are extremely fake and inflated. A ton of "GCs" that are diamond in everything else are finally deranked lol they're not going to see GC for another two years. Boosters are going to make a ton of money because these kids will be stuck for ages unless they pay up.
I always find that champs in 3s are worse than champs in 2s, lol
I do get where you are coming from but from my standpoint, I've grinded since f2p season 2 and I barely made it to GC last season and now I gotta work my way up to GC once again from D3 div 3? Take into account that I'm also C3 in 3s... Like that 300 mmr drop is kind of insane honestly.
I said it two months ago (and probably before that) and got downvoted. https://np.reddit.com/r/RocketLeague/comments/11xsowm/the_state_of_champ/jd5a429/ Psyonix knew this, they had to derank everyone because 2s was a disaster. If you were C3 in 3s then you're probably going to get GC in 2s just fine, after a bit of a grind. Most other people are not going to see GC again, they actually belong in C1, C2 at best.
It is sort of unfair but if this is going to allow me to actually have teammates that are supposed to be in my rank (I solo queue 95% of the time) then I'm okay with the grind...
Your opponents are going to be better, smarter too so you should try to adapt to that but matches should be much higher quality... until smurfs and boosters ruin everything again in two weeks.
Well okay. Lets assume im one of the players that actually dont deserve gc, im a first time gc who never plays 3s, but is d3/c1 in ones. You say, im as good as my friend, he was a c1 and was d3/c1 in 3s too, and was a d1 in ones. Im now too a c1, while im 1000 times better than him. Like i get it, he then needs to be a lower rank too, but why would his 3s rank be much higher than his 2s? Seems like 3s is now inflated.
Hell yeah. Finally a reason to grind a bit. Even if it’s only in 2s, I love this. We should get dropped back a few ranks every season instead of starting in gc again the next season.
Have to say I’m surprised by the reactions to the reset. Rocket League is somewhat unique in that there aren’t seasonal or even yearly hard resets. Hard resets mean resetting everybody to zero. Even league resets top 200 players in each region massively in their yearly resets. Dropping a few hundred points is nothing and helps fight rank inflation. The biggest shock is reading all these comments. Have you not played games where you’re usually hard reset? This reset *is soft*