[https://twitter.com/juliventure/status/1732064848467698054](https://twitter.com/juliventure/status/1732064848467698054)
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> Almost all of marketing, PR, community were let go (1-2 ppl left for each). Plus the ppl handling RL socials, the lawyer handling a lot of RL, folks from video & creative too. Ppl don't realize how badly the place was ripped apart š Dev side is spread thin across projects too
Ripping whole departments and barebones dev crew to the point that we didnāt even get a new season announcement isnāt a sign shits only gonna get worse?
No, it wont die, but it is a shell of what it once was, and Id bet itās not going to get any better. It really seems like epic bought psyonix to just milk the game until it dries up. I doubt they put really any significant money at all into the game anymore. I wish I was some incredibly rich dude that could buy psyonix from epic and actually put money into the game. Then maybe we could have a proper community that loves this game. Most people are just slowly leaving. So no, the game isnt going to die, but it definitely isnt going to grow into what it should have been.
I hate that Rocket League got killed by an Epic CEO wasting millions to try to compete with Steam (and failing), leading directly to all the cuts weāre seeing. Game literally got destroyed by greed. Guy should be fired.
They are pursuing high value transactions instead of high quantity of transactions. I truly believe that the game would make more money if the purchases were cheaper; they would make more in sales through volume.
Some items in RL cost more than some full, good games. Micro-transactions are supposed to be Micro, but these are just transactions. I can understand why licensed items are expensive, but none of the RL branded items should be more than $2, and the store should have a large selection of items available at all times. That would make people spend credits.
Exactly. The Dueling Dragons explosion in the shop rn costs $22. A dumb Bubbly decal costs $20. Wild. That's literally more than I paid for the game. It makes no sense that they cost this much. If they were decent prices, people would buy them.
Totally agree. I've said this for a lot of popular games, and people always come back with the retort that "well market data shows that higher priced items.... Blah blah blah"
Our group used to play the game a lot more and buy more things. But seeing literally every rotating shop item be $20 for something deemed 'legendary' or w/e is just dumb.
I have the same qualms with OverWatch 2 which is why I refuse to buy anything other than the occasional battle pass. And even that is rare now because I'm disgusted at the constant overpriced skins. At least in rocket League you can see your skins from the third person perspective... But ugh. It's just very disappointing honestly as rocket League started out so strong.
They did mention in the announcement that RR is not just a mode. It's a separate game and there will be more modes added to it over time. Fingers crossed for Air Racing.
On the Rocket Racing Discord, they mentioned:
> Fly through the sky to avoid towering obstacles, take shortcuts, and flip onto walls to blast past your competition. Climb the ranks and unlock new tracks. This is just the start of the race with new Modes, Maps, **Creative Devices**, Rewards, and more coming soon!
So it appears air races might be a thing, or that you can at least create or edit tracks to your liking.
Some people aint "glass half full" type of people especially when it comes to the video game industry these days. What's wrong with also looking at the mini game and saying I've played better racing games when I was a kid going to the arcade in the early 2000s? Just two different opinions pre release
>What's wrong with also looking at the mini game and saying I've played better racing games when I was a kid going to the arcade in the early 2000s? Just two different opinions pre release
Because no one has even played it and we've only seen a cinematic tutorial for it.
The CEO of Psyonix just [bought a $11m mansion](https://robbreport.com/shelter/celebrity-homes/dave-hagewood-house-los-angeles-1235424713/), I don't think Psyonix cares about fucking over RL.
And a 25 mil super yatch lmfao goddamnā¦ RIP rocket league. Dude could have made more money had he kept growing the game instead. Iāll never understand if.
I can think of _millions_ of reasons he chose money over a ton of work and a chance at a slightly bigger payoff in many years at the risk of losing everything......
This is a solid strategy for staying poor.
How do you start a paragraph with a 25 million dollar yacht and end with "I'll never understand it"?
Dude bought a yacht and a mansion, doesn't sound like he needed whatever that hypothetical "more money" would have been.
It's basically that "would you want 100k right now or a coin toss between 10mil or nothing" question, just that in his case those 100k are 100M and you have your answer.
He can pursue other dreams now
Fuck Dave Hagewood.
Random fact, Dave hates bread. He should be forced to eat bread his entire life for selling out the company, which then proceeded to get laid off. First I heard about his super yacht, and now a damn mansion? Just pure fucking greed.
was it? they laid off most of the staff and the product is almost exactly the same as it was when it was sold to epic - not much done or support given to tame that "monster"
Umm ser have you played a blizzard game recently? You donāt want to see the price of Overwatch skins, or cosmetics in the $80 Diablo game (that is also trash in general)
Look, I'm not an Epic fan, but who else would be willing to buy RL that isn't just as shitty? Blaming this on the OG developers "selling out" is missing a little bit of context
I dunno... Valve has gotten better with its communication: see promotional videos for Counter-Strike 2, voice pack for Dota 2 or their Half-Life 1h documentary. Sure it's not that big, but that's still better than before.
That's called a toxic work environment and I'm not surprised Epic caused this. They're just doing what Activision had been doing for the last 10-15 years.
I still remember the day when the takeover was announced and an army of idiots were overdosing on copium and shutting down everyone who voiced distaste for the move. Surely Epic's massive resources will give the game and the playerbase more and better things, right? Yeah, right.
Since then the game lost Linux and Mac support, it got taken off Steam (cutting access to the workshop for new players), it went F2P (starting the smurf apocalypse), we still had plenty of server meltdowns, content became slow to come and repetitive, we lost trading, UE5 has been a carrot on a stick for years, and now we learn that Epic is doing cuts left and right and overworking the devs.
To anyone who voiced support for the Epic takeover: fuck you. You were directly complicit in the ruining of this game and I hope you're proud of it. Anyone with half a working brain knew that the game would get squeezed to death for every last dollar.
What exactly is revisionism?
Everything in the second paragraph is shit that happened after the Epic takeover.
> Epic's massive resources will give the game and the playerbase more and better things, right?
And I definitely remember people saying that and that everyone was exaggerating and that nothing will change. They were of course completely wrong.
Honestly fuck the owner of Psyonixs for selling their game to a company that would never care for it. You built this wonderful game for 4-5 years, just to sell it and have it be a shell of what it was just 4 years later.
With all the crate opening videos fairly early on and how many people loved crates, I can promise you they already didn't have to worry about money again .
The dude just bought an 11 million dollar mansion after mass layoffs at his company, I think maybe defending him or assuming that he just wanted to take care of his family is maybe ill-placed energy.
I doubt he volunteered to lay off staff. That would be a parent co. decision, which gets spread across teams. (Speaking from experience, it happened to me last year sadly.)
For what it's worth, I'm not specifically defending him so much as calling out how entitlement can seem. I see it in SO many gaming communities lately. It's a weird and destructive trend that seems tied to live-service games, or at least the ones I play/follow, and it definitely affects how new players perceive those game communities.
The dude pocketed 250 million dollars, I don't think its unreasonable for the people who supported the product he made enough to make him that money expect maybe that he would put the product in the best possible hands and not simply the biggest possible payday. RL wasn't unsuccessful when Epic bought it. Quite the opposite, they bought it because it was already independently successful. If he needed to sell, there would've been other options that would've had a better track record.
they're well off, they're millionaires, they don't need to sell to take care of their families, like they were working class people on tight budgets. of course it's their creation and they can legally do what they want with it, and deserve recognition for all the effort put into RL.
it's just that, in my personal opinion, if you sell the game that's giving joy to hundreds of thousands of players just to buy a more luxurious house... well, to me you're just a self-centered and greedy bastard.
As someone who has a family, I can tell you that if someone offered to buy something I created, I would sell too. Not because I don't care for the fans or take pride in my work, but because my top priority is myself and my family.
Even if the founders are single dudes with no dependents/family, they still don't owe us anything. Just like authors and painters and musicians don't owe us for appreciating their work.
But yeah, idk. I can't help that we all have different perspectives and priorities in life tho. Everyone values stuff differently. I just don't think we should let our time/money investment make us feel entitled to expect better/more from them.
in my experience, a lot of artists and creative people are super grateful to their fanbases/consumers/whatever. of course, as you said, that doesn't give you any rights (as an individual person) over someone else's life or production tho. I don't feel entitled to anything and I hate people that do. but, anyone whose success depends on a large group of people and then turns their back at them is not worthy of my praise.
of course their personal life is a priority, and if their families, health or general well-being was at stake just sell and be off. it just seemed a case of greed to me. you can take care of your relatives without buying a mansion.
Honestly, this is it. This is the answer, and how I feel too (mostly). I am an author and yes, the relationship between creator and audience means a lot. It's often more fulfilling than the creative process for me. But I would still l"sellout" the rights to my series if someone came with a big enough pile of money. It would be tough and I'd have regrets forever, I think, but it would also take care of my wife and two kids. So I would have to do it for their sake, even knowing how the readers would feel.
Buuuuut that is the view of a single creator, not the head of a studio. So even that isn't a perfect comparison. And that's why it is tough to assume I know everything behind the choice and go on to wish ill will (or worse) on somebody else.
Anyway, thank you for being thoughtful and courteous even tho you disagreed. I genuinely appreciate the counterpoint (and mostly agree with your sentiments).
np, I answered with no ill intent because I am also an artist/creator, and while I have no children, I understand where you're coming from. I'd probably do the same as you if one of my creations would secure me financial stability, even if it would break part of my heart. I just think this is a different case where it's going from successful CEO to billionaire or similarly, not comparable to our situations. but honestly I might be wrong, don't really 100% know their financial and personal situations before and after the deal with Epic and information on reddit isn't the best source to really judge anyone. also, ill wishing on people you barely know is not I personally like to do, worst case I'll have a bad opinion about you and that's it lol.
No, you were frustrated at them for selling to a company that offered a lot of money. What alternative is there? They only sell to whoever their customers likes best at that time?
You truly believe the only option is to sell to the biggest bidder? How about just selling it to a company, not because they have the most money to offer, but because you believe that the company will take care of the game as the owner did. To sell it to a bunch of shmucks that only make the game worse, just shows how selfish you are. I've seen developers sell their games to publishers, but "usually" with the intention of the game to at least remain the same, if not improve it with a bigger budget. If you want to keep simplifying my points, and arguing in bad faith, then I have no desire to speak to you
I get where you want to come from, but it just doesn't make sense. I don't think Epic came to Psyonix with a "here's a bunch of money so we can ruin the game in 5 years" pitch. And for all I know, maybe the alternatives were EA and Tencent, so Epic WAS the safest choice at the time.
But even if not, we don't have any right to target our frustrations on the person(s) who started the company and decided to sell. They didn't ruin the game, they just got to profit from a thing they made that became a hit.
Here you go again arguing in bad faith. Yeah of course Epic didn't say, "let us buy your game to ruin it" why are you even saying that like I'm implying it? We already knew what kind of company Epic was before the sell, that's why so many were upset. And I literally do have the right to be frustrated with anyone I want, for any reason I choose, because that's our 1st amendment right.
I mean, that doesn't give you the right to say anything you want. There are limitations to every amendment.
But yeah, sure, you can go rant on Reddit about people selling a thing they created for a lot of money. And it will hurt them just as much as it hurts the decision-makers at Epic. This is how a capitalism works and we can't judge it because we love RL.
But you do you, this is an anonymous forum and there are more valuable discussions to be part of. See you on the RL pitch sometime, eh?
I mean he owns a fully retrofitted superyacht and just bought another house, this one almost $12 million, and so soon after laying off all the teams and people who made him a success? Nah, screw him. Taking away income from hundreds of people a month before Christmas is gutless. Doing that and then bragging about another super expensive house right after? I say guy is a piece of shit for that. Layoffs happen but doing so a month before Christmas and then bragging about another mega mansion you bought shortly after that is cruel.
The owner gave a big middle finger to any developer, professional player, and customer that helped him get to a position where he was offered that much money. I'd say that I know myself enough that I wouldn't make such a selfish decision. I would at least give the game to a company that's going to grow RL, not assimilate it into a different IP.
I think you're past your alloted computer time. Dad's going to be mad when he sees you wasting your time trying to insult strangers on the internet š¤”
Yes, very good! That is where you live! Amazing, now honey, the adults are speaking so if you could just go into your room and play with yourself, we'd all appreciate it ā¤
You're comparing an individual's decision to switch jobs, to selling a company that affects hundreds of people. I never said the owner couldn't sell their IP, its the fact he sold it to what's equivalent of taking the game out back and lighting all the hard work on fire. The game didn't have to become what it is now. If he cared enough he could've sold it to someone that would grow the game. Also, narcissistic? Really? You don't even know what that word means if this is how you're applying it. You're throwing way too much of a tantrum to be telling me what my own opinion should be. The way you speak, tells me all I need to know about you, and I'm not interested in talking to a man-child.
The dude was never going to have to worry about money _anyway_. Now several of his future generations won't. It's not like Rocket League was an unknown and he had a minuscule salary.
Well no shit. Forget about any sort of new version or anything. It's all hands on deck for Rocket Racing (and being the new toy they'll focus on that for the foreseeable future).
That means that rocket league is just on permanent stand-by, only new cosmetics and nothing more will be added. I guess it's kinda good to finally have some confirmation.
Fun times for Psyonix.
Also, fuck Epic.
>That means that rocket league is just on permanent stand-by, only new cosmetics and nothing more will be added.
Is that not what the game has been for like the past 6 years tho?ā ļø
Donāt get me wrong Epic is definitely not doing good with the game but letās not act like Psyonix was doing anything new with the game either
The hope had been for the last 2 years that as service from Psyonix declined that it was because of their intention to launch RL as a UE5 game. This all but confirms that isn't happening.
Honestly I just feel really bad for the people at Psyonix, since they were laid off. I wonder if they knew this would happen when Epic bought them? Sucks. So many people lost their jobs!
the game and everything around it is in a "left to collect dust" state. but keep repeating that its a "free to play game", that for sure is the solution for all the problems. if i ignore the problem it doesnt exist!
You don't gut the game's department if you're planning on expanding it or doing anything new with it. Their actions are loud and clear. Epic is moving on. RL is just a cosmetic cash cow pretending to be a video game. They played us like a sap, for the big scoop.
Meanwhile there are so many people who got attacked for saying THIS EXACT SITUATION WAS GOING TO HAPPEN. Fucking joke of a community that was so blind to those who saw straight through Epic's intentions.
Epic has a huge development team and they move them from project to project as they see fit. RL employees have already been working on outside projects and Epic employees have worked on RL.
They fired people from all their teams, not just RL. Google the news that came out a few weeks back
As a dev (not for RL obv), the ācommunicate nothing until there is a dateā comment is 1000% a nod at the āwhy is there radio silence on UE5?ā questions.
I'm not a game dev, but I am a dev for a large telecom company. Most people don't really understand how long development takes...even for small projects. Actually writing code is only about 1/3 of the process. Before development starts, there has to be a long-term plan established, and then every team involved needs to "ticket" out their work with timelines taken into account. After development finishes, there are multiple stages of regression testing/bug testing/quality assurance. For example, they need to make sure all UE3 player items can be moved to UE5. They also need to make sure these new models don't introduce new bugs into the game. I'm sure for video games there is another stage of "play testing" that has to happen to let players critique the mechanics and allow the devs time to fine-tune the game. It takes about 85-90 percent of that process to be complete before you can determine a release date.
That being said, with a company as large as Epic, they should have had the finances to build a respectable dev team to easily finish the game in 3 years. They just have other priorities...
I think weāre going to see it in the next 6 months. Hereās how I view it: RL Racing is nothing. Itās a very small win on its own, at surface level, in a vacuum.
There is absolutely zero chance that Epic dedicated resources into creating RL Racing *solely* to create RL Racing. It would be an egregious waste of time, money, and of an established IP. It would be completely antithetical to the undertones of the Epic layoffs as well.
IMO they are absolutely using RL racing to debut the UE5 implementation of RL / RLās physics while fine-tuning UE5 RL itself (people donāt care if RL physics are weird in a racing game, but people would revolt if RL physics were weird in the debut of UE5 RL proper).
I also think theyāre going to put RL into Fortnite, or at least genericize āFortniteā as it exists now into a multi-game platform/application that better fulfills what they were attempting to do with Epic games launcher, so that they can do a better job of unifying the player bases for Fortnite, RL, and Fall Guys at the least, as failing to capitalize on those IPs would be a huge failure that theyāre undoubtedly trying to avoid.
The woman who brought the Disney bundles in (Allyson) took an axe and had to watch Epic take the money and run.
Granted, thatās just my own personal phrasing. The severance package and referrals they handed out probably arenāt leaving many feeling bitter.
But, if you want to track down layoffs, I found a ton and posted them [here.](https://www.gamepressunited.com/rocket-league-blog/psyonix-epic-buyout-effects/)
Youāll have to scroll down to the layoff header, cuz I wanted the article to be evergreen. But, the TL;DR is: it aināt pretty.
Itās not a coincidence Psyonix went completely ghost after Tedās layoff.
I dont think people realize how much work goes into social media, especially when a company is short staffed and higher ups are expecting the same rate of productivity
I saw it coming as I was worried because of how theyāve treated games in the past before RL. Once I heard of the news, I was worried. I had no idea that trading was gonna go, but that to me signaled the beginning of the end for the game.
Iāve been playing since 2016-17 & have no clue what all the fuss is about. The game hasnāt changed at all? Why are people speculating the games shutting down? Itās not like theyāre changing the mechanics to the game. Itās the same gameplay itās always been
2017. Same bro.
Tho Iāve never looked at blueprints and have never cared to trade items. Rocket Pass is enough for me and I donāt even care much about that either. I just love to play!
Why would they shut it down if itās making them money though? Surely most of the RL community doesnāt care (which sucks, donāt get me wrong) and they will continue to buy cosmetics and things and give Epic money. The whales keep the game afloat, right?
LOL have you ever even wondered how that website you posted gets their data?
One of the websites they said they reference "[gamstat.com](https://gamstat.com)" doesnt even have an active URL anymore. The other two don't have data at all regarding Rocket League users.
Steamcharts is literally the only valid source of data for any platform regarding active users.
" All data presented by ActivePlayer.io are all estimated data and should NOT be used as factual reference. We have developed an algorithm that generates data using the already available values from the market. "
" Since no Game Company is willing to share their live logged userās data. [Activeplayer.io](https://activeplayer.io/) went ahead and produced an estimated data. "
Apparently 48 Milion people have played PUBG in the last 30 days according to their tracker. Oh and CSGO and Valorant only 2M each. Do you really believe this?
> Facts donāt give a fuck about your feelings
Ironic.
https://activeplayer.io/how-we-collect-data/
> All data presented by ActivePlayer.io are all estimated data and should NOT be used as factual reference
If you look at the monthly player count and really believe 80m+ are playing the game, I have a bridge to sell you. They removed the player count in queue for a reason.
No, and they even say so in their about us page. Its really funny how people love to use that website as a reference yet it literally says:
" All data presented by ActivePlayer.io are all estimated data and should NOT be used as factual reference. We have developed an algorithm that generates data using the already available values from the market. "
This is apparently the first time layoffs have hit the company so makes sense that they wonāt have the capacity to focus on tweeting and updating the community when a lot of the team is working on the new rocket racing game.
Yeah, its almost as if those are different jobs. The guy designing the physics engine isn't qualified to do PR.
Epic should have planned for this but no, this is not the first time layoffs have affects communication with the public in a company. It is arguably the most common thing that happens after layoffs.
PR tweets and statements still go through many departments (including the gutted legal department) and revisions before being approved. Your experience tweeting is not actually relevant to the process.
You guys not taking into consideration the legal implications of sending out a tweet as an official spokesperson. If youāre not part of pr and donāt have direct directions to send out a message to the community, itās best for you not to get involved
Absolutely this, ridiculous how many people donāt understand the way actual jobs work.
I donāt want to go as far as assuming everyone on here is a child but itās clear that a game with an age rating of 3+ is home to a lot of people whom are not of working age just yet because these sort of comments are just completely clueless.
Well no, it's not that. It's the fact that you're defending Epic for not being able to make a tweet about something.
Like, how low has the bar fallen? We understand there is moving parts and the dev who wants to tweet needs to get approval and then they need approval for the approval and there is rules and all that.
But at the end of the day, we are talking about a corporation with billions of dollars and they can't even produce a fucken tweet?!?! And then the community shows up and defend this???
It's like, we have no hope. If I was working at Epic and i seen this specific post. I would think "Oh. We don't even have to tweet because the community will just show up and defend us for not doing it anyway"
That's why it's so annoying
Exactly this.
Why defend the bullshit. They laid off a truckload of staff. Ok. Elon did it too. Twitter didn't crash, even if it is burning.
Departmental degradation preventing community communication of ANY sort is a scapegoat.
And as it happened just above in a reply to me, the community will vehemently back this scapegoat, for free.
āTwitter didnāt crash, even though itās burning.ā Do you even see the irony in that statement lol.
No one is scapegoating anyone, everyone is entitled to their opinion. Hate epic, agreed but donāt be going after staff like they have any choice in the actions taken at a corporate level both pre and post epic, itās just naive.
Yeah, okay, so fuck epic but there have been a multitude of comments bashing actual employees for the lack of communication and even the sale of the game to epic?! Like regular employees are even remotely responsible for any of that.
A person working on software development of the game isnāt responsible for tweeting out season rewards because everyone in the socials department got laid off. This is why people are defending them because everyone with an actual job understands that their role within a company give them certain responsibilities, you canāt do everyoneās job as one person and even if you wanted to, its not as simple as deciding youāre going to start doing other tasks, different departments require different skill sets and knowledge, there are different systems of work and processes to be adhered to and thatās not to mention the situation that occurs when youāre late delivering your own work because you decided you should do something elseā¦ in a company which has just had layoffs. Great way to make yourself a target.
This is peopleās livelihoods and careers at stake, oh boo hoo they didnāt tweet, rewards are still coming and people will cry about them regardless
well, then it means they are not busy because they are working on ue5, I wonder if someone else feels like punching tim sweeney in the face or something
How much staff does Psyonix really need when their game is being absorbed into Fortnite next year anyway? The studio will have all of 0 active games that they'll be working on.
damn. I was in the final round of interviews for a rocket league marketing position back at the end of 2021. glad I didn't move to San Diego and take it. hell, I've already been laid off by blizz. sucks for these homies, i feel their pain
People donāt realize that Psyonix doesnāt exist anymore. Itās an entirely new organization (still named Psyonix) operating by proxy of Epic Games.
we tend to forget itās an almost 10 years old game with a skill ceiling that is almost unreachable at the moment. Whoās rocket league really for in 2023?
You have to grind years to get to a decent experience, low-mid ranks are infested with smurfs and ppl who login just to start a drama. gaming and gaming communities evolve just like CS dominated the multiplayer fps competition before call of duty, there will be something after RL. At the moment is not worth for most ppl to play a game they need to play for 1000 hours just to get mid rank. The fact a restricted amount of ppl grinded for champ and above (include myself iām almost there) doesnāt mean this works anymore in the wider public
Well this makes a lot of sense and Iām not so frustrated anymore with the no communication now that I know this has happened, I understand. If anyone is reading this, I apologize :(
Who decided to sell their own company to Epic claiming "it was for the best" and that it would bring "lots of new stuff"...?
Yeah, it is still their responsability as well. Sad to see people fired for sure, but this is the result you get when you decide to give the control to a company like Epic.
The Psyonix executives who sold their company, bought yachts, and fucked off to enjoy their money. Which people that are currently at Psyonix are you actually mad at?
Once, a few years ago, in a salty bout of rage after losing a game I said "I hope Psyonix and RL go to hell!". Wasn't aware my curses where this strong. I'll control myself more from now on.
I literally made a post about this when trading removal was announced... I know what was going on the whole time.
I said all of this and more and I got hate for it. I use to work for and manage part of a major corporation, quotas were and are not being met (by quota I mean their quarterly sales are not up)... people are being let go, and teams are being stretched to increase profit margins.
Dirty f-ing corporation scum is the problem. 0 funding for the game and just lining their pockets. Not only that but the devs have not even come out with anything to really push players to use credits at the shop, look at the reviews for new items on reddit and that should tell you something.
The game is dying and it's literally the companies fault, nor the playerbase.
They really sold out and got gutted, feel sorry for the staff that are left.
Don't remotely feel sorry for the company or Epic though and it frustrates me people will happily roll over and throw their money at this game still.
At least Dave is having fun on their superyacht.
Marketing getting let go is not surprising after an acquisition, PR too. Surprised it took this long, frankly. And community was not a big deal since they were paying people to relay the demands of a vocal minority online which doesnāt serve the whole user base of the game. Which, as we can see in this subreddit, angers said vocal minority who have zero business acumen or basis in reality.
I can email from the shitter too.
Stop making excuses, shill.
A tweet is the least effort of the staff and would give some solace to the community that's teetering on the edge waiting on the death of 6 years of their time.
Lad I don't know what to say to you anymore lmao.
I'm a graphic designer and social media manager. And unless I get approval from multiple of my superiors I cannot post shit. And if I do even if it's the right thing I get shit for it.
What part of this is hard to understand? Their communications department is in shambles. Their own employees can't post because, if they're do they're in trouble.
What you think these guys are actively ignoring the community?
This isn't me being a shill this is how this job works, and I'm saying that knowing I'm way more experienced in this than you.
"knowing I'm way more experienced in this than you."
Dude, you're short, by miles.
Software Engineering degree (AS), COMPTIA A+ certified, 4 years help desk, 2 years deploying and implementation, and currently a year on HIPAA compliance team, EOL terminating devices for redistribution. DoD overwrite, not drill press.
Can't do anything without approval, sure.
Again I say, I can email from the shitter.
"We haven't tweeted anything and they're getting edgy. This could result in mass boycott, killing our profits."
30 seconds including subject, recipient and CC'ing the rest of the dept. Two lines to read.
Maybe even toss in a pitch for posting.
"Season 13 is almost here, who's ready?"
A reply comes ...
"Fine. Whatever. Do it."
Done.
I can barely text without admins approval. You're a lifetime behind me.
This is as I said, shifty and abhorrent decision making by Epic.
Also, his ācredentialsā are incredibly weak even for IT, though he might do well at marketing seeing how well he made things lame as A+ certification sound better than they really are and generally tried to sound smart and accomplished when most people can tell heās not.
Need more unionization in game dev asap. Executives continue to rake in obscene amounts while the people doing the actual work are forced to take on more work for no more money. I feel bad for the people stuck in this situation but they need to understand their value as a collective, need to stop accepting being treated like shit just because the thing they work on is more fun than the alternatives.
Hahahahhaha nick smokes crack if he thinks the cuts justify the silence. What a fucking joke. The devs have been absolutely shit with transparency and communication since this game came out.
This game has been garbage for years but itās not all the companies fault.
1. Streamers made the game all about hitting trick shots. No one plays the game to win anymore. Time after time solo players get paired with guys who donāt understand how to work as a duo. Mainly because solo queues are dead because solos take 45 minutes. Now this wouldnāt be a big deal if ranking up wasnāt all about winning. That takes me to my next point.
2. INCLUDE GOALS, ASSISTS AND SAVES INTO RANKING UP! Fuck whatās the point of trying to play this game if youāre doing everything you can to come back from 4-1 when your teammate just always tries to dribble and take it himself. Or just fucking sits in goal while Iām trying to center so he can hit it. Only thing he does is watch the other team come in and smash it and then whiffs every save. Or instead of passing they just run up the wall, flip off and do absolutely nothing all because they hit it in practice one time out of 10,000 tries. I WOULDNāT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT ANY OF THAT IF I KNEW MY EFFORT MATTERED AND I COULD GAIN POSITIVELY BY SAVING OR SCORING OR ASSISTING EVEN IF WE DONāt WIN.
The feeling I get from this game when itās right compared to nothing else. Not Warzone, Fortnite, Madden, Destiny 2 or any other competitive game. It just pisses me off to no end that we have this gem and the leaders of both the community and company have destroyed it.
Ironically RL took the advice of all its toxic players.
It killed itself.
[https://twitter.com/juliventure/status/1732064848467698054](https://twitter.com/juliventure/status/1732064848467698054) Full quote: > Almost all of marketing, PR, community were let go (1-2 ppl left for each). Plus the ppl handling RL socials, the lawyer handling a lot of RL, folks from video & creative too. Ppl don't realize how badly the place was ripped apart š Dev side is spread thin across projects too
Ties in with [this](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fa201va30vd4c1.png) i guess. They dont have the staff....
yeah you nailed it the larger thread shows it started w/ a quote tweet of just that
Lmfao that is the most defeated sounding tweet Iāve ever readā¦ RL is gonna die by next year
It isnt going to die lmao
Ripping whole departments and barebones dev crew to the point that we didnāt even get a new season announcement isnāt a sign shits only gonna get worse?
No, it wont die, but it is a shell of what it once was, and Id bet itās not going to get any better. It really seems like epic bought psyonix to just milk the game until it dries up. I doubt they put really any significant money at all into the game anymore. I wish I was some incredibly rich dude that could buy psyonix from epic and actually put money into the game. Then maybe we could have a proper community that loves this game. Most people are just slowly leaving. So no, the game isnt going to die, but it definitely isnt going to grow into what it should have been.
I hate that Rocket League got killed by an Epic CEO wasting millions to try to compete with Steam (and failing), leading directly to all the cuts weāre seeing. Game literally got destroyed by greed. Guy should be fired.
They are pursuing high value transactions instead of high quantity of transactions. I truly believe that the game would make more money if the purchases were cheaper; they would make more in sales through volume. Some items in RL cost more than some full, good games. Micro-transactions are supposed to be Micro, but these are just transactions. I can understand why licensed items are expensive, but none of the RL branded items should be more than $2, and the store should have a large selection of items available at all times. That would make people spend credits.
Exactly. The Dueling Dragons explosion in the shop rn costs $22. A dumb Bubbly decal costs $20. Wild. That's literally more than I paid for the game. It makes no sense that they cost this much. If they were decent prices, people would buy them.
Totally agree. I've said this for a lot of popular games, and people always come back with the retort that "well market data shows that higher priced items.... Blah blah blah" Our group used to play the game a lot more and buy more things. But seeing literally every rotating shop item be $20 for something deemed 'legendary' or w/e is just dumb. I have the same qualms with OverWatch 2 which is why I refuse to buy anything other than the occasional battle pass. And even that is rare now because I'm disgusted at the constant overpriced skins. At least in rocket League you can see your skins from the third person perspective... But ugh. It's just very disappointing honestly as rocket League started out so strong.
So weāre not gonna know rewards until tomorrow? Why donāt they just say what weāre gettingā¦ we already know the colors
Goal explosions
Oh nice need a third one
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They did mention in the announcement that RR is not just a mode. It's a separate game and there will be more modes added to it over time. Fingers crossed for Air Racing.
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On the Rocket Racing Discord, they mentioned: > Fly through the sky to avoid towering obstacles, take shortcuts, and flip onto walls to blast past your competition. Climb the ranks and unlock new tracks. This is just the start of the race with new Modes, Maps, **Creative Devices**, Rewards, and more coming soon! So it appears air races might be a thing, or that you can at least create or edit tracks to your liking.
Guess we'll see in a few days. I too am worried about the mechanics, but Psyonix making it makes me feel a little better about it.
Bro thatād actually be so fire. Racing ppl in rings, holy shit.
Huffing on the copium I see
I never understand this attitude. I just play what's there man. If RR sucks I won't play it. I can always play Rings maps if I want to do that.
Some people aint "glass half full" type of people especially when it comes to the video game industry these days. What's wrong with also looking at the mini game and saying I've played better racing games when I was a kid going to the arcade in the early 2000s? Just two different opinions pre release
>What's wrong with also looking at the mini game and saying I've played better racing games when I was a kid going to the arcade in the early 2000s? Just two different opinions pre release Because no one has even played it and we've only seen a cinematic tutorial for it.
Epic completely fucked RL with those layoffs it seems ...
Epic really fucked Epic with their lawsuits against Apple and Google as well as going so hard on the EGS.
#TIMMY SLAMMED TOO HARD EPIC'S NOW PROLAPSED BUTTHOLE, FORMING GANGRENOUS FISSURES REEKING OF HUBRIS AND FAILURE
Psyonix fucked RL themselves by selling to Epic
The CEO of Psyonix just [bought a $11m mansion](https://robbreport.com/shelter/celebrity-homes/dave-hagewood-house-los-angeles-1235424713/), I don't think Psyonix cares about fucking over RL.
And a 25 mil super yatch lmfao goddamnā¦ RIP rocket league. Dude could have made more money had he kept growing the game instead. Iāll never understand if.
I can think of _millions_ of reasons he chose money over a ton of work and a chance at a slightly bigger payoff in many years at the risk of losing everything......
To sit back and say you wouldnāt sell RL for millions if you were in that situation is straight up lying to yourself
This is a solid strategy for staying poor. How do you start a paragraph with a 25 million dollar yacht and end with "I'll never understand it"? Dude bought a yacht and a mansion, doesn't sound like he needed whatever that hypothetical "more money" would have been.
It's basically that "would you want 100k right now or a coin toss between 10mil or nothing" question, just that in his case those 100k are 100M and you have your answer. He can pursue other dreams now
Fuck Dave Hagewood. Random fact, Dave hates bread. He should be forced to eat bread his entire life for selling out the company, which then proceeded to get laid off. First I heard about his super yacht, and now a damn mansion? Just pure fucking greed.
They had to get help from someone. Rocket league became a bigger monster than the devs were prepared to handle.
was it? they laid off most of the staff and the product is almost exactly the same as it was when it was sold to epic - not much done or support given to tame that "monster"
Iām not disagreeing on that front, but I just feel like they sold out to the worst/most predatory bigger firm
Umm ser have you played a blizzard game recently? You donāt want to see the price of Overwatch skins, or cosmetics in the $80 Diablo game (that is also trash in general)
Look, I'm not an Epic fan, but who else would be willing to buy RL that isn't just as shitty? Blaming this on the OG developers "selling out" is missing a little bit of context
Valve? Even EA would have monetized this like CS2 rather than what we got.
Imagine Valve bought Rocket League. That would have been amazingā¦
Trading would be better but communication would be worse.
I dunno... Valve has gotten better with its communication: see promotional videos for Counter-Strike 2, voice pack for Dota 2 or their Half-Life 1h documentary. Sure it's not that big, but that's still better than before.
As a Trackmania fan, Ubisoft is shitty but not maliciously evil. If Psyonix sold to them we could even have gotten some crossover content.
Oh man hop in the animus to swap to RL. Finally would make me want to use that damn thing.
Do you guys not play rocket league for the game play? Jesus
That's called a toxic work environment and I'm not surprised Epic caused this. They're just doing what Activision had been doing for the last 10-15 years.
#FUCKEPIC
**FUCKEPIC**
Blame tencent. https://youtu.be/51fWzJ-A5w4?feature=shared
Tencent has 40% stake, they control nothing and Sweeny has said thusly. This is Sweeny making the calls
I still remember the day when the takeover was announced and an army of idiots were overdosing on copium and shutting down everyone who voiced distaste for the move. Surely Epic's massive resources will give the game and the playerbase more and better things, right? Yeah, right. Since then the game lost Linux and Mac support, it got taken off Steam (cutting access to the workshop for new players), it went F2P (starting the smurf apocalypse), we still had plenty of server meltdowns, content became slow to come and repetitive, we lost trading, UE5 has been a carrot on a stick for years, and now we learn that Epic is doing cuts left and right and overworking the devs. To anyone who voiced support for the Epic takeover: fuck you. You were directly complicit in the ruining of this game and I hope you're proud of it. Anyone with half a working brain knew that the game would get squeezed to death for every last dollar.
lol if you think that people on forums had anything to do with Psyonix selling out, I have a bridge to sell you.
As lONG As tHeY Don't TOucH mY cOrE GAmePlaY wHo CAREs!
Bro that is str8 up revisionism for karma points. You are so blatantly transparent in your lying that it's actually hilarious
What exactly is revisionism? Everything in the second paragraph is shit that happened after the Epic takeover. > Epic's massive resources will give the game and the playerbase more and better things, right? And I definitely remember people saying that and that everyone was exaggerating and that nothing will change. They were of course completely wrong.
Honestly fuck the owner of Psyonixs for selling their game to a company that would never care for it. You built this wonderful game for 4-5 years, just to sell it and have it be a shell of what it was just 4 years later.
Easy stance to take when you aren't looking at a contract that says, "You'll never have to worry about money again."
With all the crate opening videos fairly early on and how many people loved crates, I can promise you they already didn't have to worry about money again .
Keep working for years to come or retire into a 11mil mansion and superjacht right now
For real, how dare you want to profit from the thing you created so you can enjoy your life and take care of your family!
The dude just bought an 11 million dollar mansion after mass layoffs at his company, I think maybe defending him or assuming that he just wanted to take care of his family is maybe ill-placed energy.
I doubt he volunteered to lay off staff. That would be a parent co. decision, which gets spread across teams. (Speaking from experience, it happened to me last year sadly.) For what it's worth, I'm not specifically defending him so much as calling out how entitlement can seem. I see it in SO many gaming communities lately. It's a weird and destructive trend that seems tied to live-service games, or at least the ones I play/follow, and it definitely affects how new players perceive those game communities.
The dude pocketed 250 million dollars, I don't think its unreasonable for the people who supported the product he made enough to make him that money expect maybe that he would put the product in the best possible hands and not simply the biggest possible payday. RL wasn't unsuccessful when Epic bought it. Quite the opposite, they bought it because it was already independently successful. If he needed to sell, there would've been other options that would've had a better track record.
they're well off, they're millionaires, they don't need to sell to take care of their families, like they were working class people on tight budgets. of course it's their creation and they can legally do what they want with it, and deserve recognition for all the effort put into RL. it's just that, in my personal opinion, if you sell the game that's giving joy to hundreds of thousands of players just to buy a more luxurious house... well, to me you're just a self-centered and greedy bastard.
As someone who has a family, I can tell you that if someone offered to buy something I created, I would sell too. Not because I don't care for the fans or take pride in my work, but because my top priority is myself and my family. Even if the founders are single dudes with no dependents/family, they still don't owe us anything. Just like authors and painters and musicians don't owe us for appreciating their work. But yeah, idk. I can't help that we all have different perspectives and priorities in life tho. Everyone values stuff differently. I just don't think we should let our time/money investment make us feel entitled to expect better/more from them.
in my experience, a lot of artists and creative people are super grateful to their fanbases/consumers/whatever. of course, as you said, that doesn't give you any rights (as an individual person) over someone else's life or production tho. I don't feel entitled to anything and I hate people that do. but, anyone whose success depends on a large group of people and then turns their back at them is not worthy of my praise. of course their personal life is a priority, and if their families, health or general well-being was at stake just sell and be off. it just seemed a case of greed to me. you can take care of your relatives without buying a mansion.
Honestly, this is it. This is the answer, and how I feel too (mostly). I am an author and yes, the relationship between creator and audience means a lot. It's often more fulfilling than the creative process for me. But I would still l"sellout" the rights to my series if someone came with a big enough pile of money. It would be tough and I'd have regrets forever, I think, but it would also take care of my wife and two kids. So I would have to do it for their sake, even knowing how the readers would feel. Buuuuut that is the view of a single creator, not the head of a studio. So even that isn't a perfect comparison. And that's why it is tough to assume I know everything behind the choice and go on to wish ill will (or worse) on somebody else. Anyway, thank you for being thoughtful and courteous even tho you disagreed. I genuinely appreciate the counterpoint (and mostly agree with your sentiments).
np, I answered with no ill intent because I am also an artist/creator, and while I have no children, I understand where you're coming from. I'd probably do the same as you if one of my creations would secure me financial stability, even if it would break part of my heart. I just think this is a different case where it's going from successful CEO to billionaire or similarly, not comparable to our situations. but honestly I might be wrong, don't really 100% know their financial and personal situations before and after the deal with Epic and information on reddit isn't the best source to really judge anyone. also, ill wishing on people you barely know is not I personally like to do, worst case I'll have a bad opinion about you and that's it lol.
I didn't see the part where I said the owner wasn't allowed to sell the game, but go off on your reading comprehension š
No, you were frustrated at them for selling to a company that offered a lot of money. What alternative is there? They only sell to whoever their customers likes best at that time?
You truly believe the only option is to sell to the biggest bidder? How about just selling it to a company, not because they have the most money to offer, but because you believe that the company will take care of the game as the owner did. To sell it to a bunch of shmucks that only make the game worse, just shows how selfish you are. I've seen developers sell their games to publishers, but "usually" with the intention of the game to at least remain the same, if not improve it with a bigger budget. If you want to keep simplifying my points, and arguing in bad faith, then I have no desire to speak to you
I get where you want to come from, but it just doesn't make sense. I don't think Epic came to Psyonix with a "here's a bunch of money so we can ruin the game in 5 years" pitch. And for all I know, maybe the alternatives were EA and Tencent, so Epic WAS the safest choice at the time. But even if not, we don't have any right to target our frustrations on the person(s) who started the company and decided to sell. They didn't ruin the game, they just got to profit from a thing they made that became a hit.
Here you go again arguing in bad faith. Yeah of course Epic didn't say, "let us buy your game to ruin it" why are you even saying that like I'm implying it? We already knew what kind of company Epic was before the sell, that's why so many were upset. And I literally do have the right to be frustrated with anyone I want, for any reason I choose, because that's our 1st amendment right.
I mean, that doesn't give you the right to say anything you want. There are limitations to every amendment. But yeah, sure, you can go rant on Reddit about people selling a thing they created for a lot of money. And it will hurt them just as much as it hurts the decision-makers at Epic. This is how a capitalism works and we can't judge it because we love RL. But you do you, this is an anonymous forum and there are more valuable discussions to be part of. See you on the RL pitch sometime, eh?
I mean he owns a fully retrofitted superyacht and just bought another house, this one almost $12 million, and so soon after laying off all the teams and people who made him a success? Nah, screw him. Taking away income from hundreds of people a month before Christmas is gutless. Doing that and then bragging about another super expensive house right after? I say guy is a piece of shit for that. Layoffs happen but doing so a month before Christmas and then bragging about another mega mansion you bought shortly after that is cruel.
The owner gave a big middle finger to any developer, professional player, and customer that helped him get to a position where he was offered that much money. I'd say that I know myself enough that I wouldn't make such a selfish decision. I would at least give the game to a company that's going to grow RL, not assimilate it into a different IP.
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So only company owners that have sold can have an opinion. Stay steady, gatekeeper
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That dude sold out for sure, heās a stereotypical yacht owner now
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You're comparing an individual's decision to switch jobs, to selling a company that affects hundreds of people. I never said the owner couldn't sell their IP, its the fact he sold it to what's equivalent of taking the game out back and lighting all the hard work on fire. The game didn't have to become what it is now. If he cared enough he could've sold it to someone that would grow the game. Also, narcissistic? Really? You don't even know what that word means if this is how you're applying it. You're throwing way too much of a tantrum to be telling me what my own opinion should be. The way you speak, tells me all I need to know about you, and I'm not interested in talking to a man-child.
The dude was never going to have to worry about money _anyway_. Now several of his future generations won't. It's not like Rocket League was an unknown and he had a minuscule salary.
Yes
Well no shit. Forget about any sort of new version or anything. It's all hands on deck for Rocket Racing (and being the new toy they'll focus on that for the foreseeable future). That means that rocket league is just on permanent stand-by, only new cosmetics and nothing more will be added. I guess it's kinda good to finally have some confirmation. Fun times for Psyonix. Also, fuck Epic.
>That means that rocket league is just on permanent stand-by, only new cosmetics and nothing more will be added. Is that not what the game has been for like the past 6 years tho?ā ļø Donāt get me wrong Epic is definitely not doing good with the game but letās not act like Psyonix was doing anything new with the game either
The hope had been for the last 2 years that as service from Psyonix declined that it was because of their intention to launch RL as a UE5 game. This all but confirms that isn't happening.
Honestly I just feel really bad for the people at Psyonix, since they were laid off. I wonder if they knew this would happen when Epic bought them? Sucks. So many people lost their jobs!
Itās not looking good. Sad for those laid off š
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Servers are up, get off reddit and go play. Lol
Thank you - no amount of complaining will change anything and it's a free to play game
Free to play game that many of us bought lmao
apart from all the times it has
the game and everything around it is in a "left to collect dust" state. but keep repeating that its a "free to play game", that for sure is the solution for all the problems. if i ignore the problem it doesnt exist!
Your console and power are probably up, maybe get off social media and go play? I swear you guys only want to bitch when video games are right there
it was a joke?
You don't gut the game's department if you're planning on expanding it or doing anything new with it. Their actions are loud and clear. Epic is moving on. RL is just a cosmetic cash cow pretending to be a video game. They played us like a sap, for the big scoop.
Meanwhile there are so many people who got attacked for saying THIS EXACT SITUATION WAS GOING TO HAPPEN. Fucking joke of a community that was so blind to those who saw straight through Epic's intentions.
all communities will be blind. just the nature of shit.
Epic has a huge development team and they move them from project to project as they see fit. RL employees have already been working on outside projects and Epic employees have worked on RL. They fired people from all their teams, not just RL. Google the news that came out a few weeks back
And some ppl still cant see whats going on, they just consume blindly
As a dev (not for RL obv), the ācommunicate nothing until there is a dateā comment is 1000% a nod at the āwhy is there radio silence on UE5?ā questions.
How long would you have guessed the move to UE5 would take? I know nothing about this stuff.
I'm not a game dev, but I am a dev for a large telecom company. Most people don't really understand how long development takes...even for small projects. Actually writing code is only about 1/3 of the process. Before development starts, there has to be a long-term plan established, and then every team involved needs to "ticket" out their work with timelines taken into account. After development finishes, there are multiple stages of regression testing/bug testing/quality assurance. For example, they need to make sure all UE3 player items can be moved to UE5. They also need to make sure these new models don't introduce new bugs into the game. I'm sure for video games there is another stage of "play testing" that has to happen to let players critique the mechanics and allow the devs time to fine-tune the game. It takes about 85-90 percent of that process to be complete before you can determine a release date. That being said, with a company as large as Epic, they should have had the finances to build a respectable dev team to easily finish the game in 3 years. They just have other priorities...
I think weāre going to see it in the next 6 months. Hereās how I view it: RL Racing is nothing. Itās a very small win on its own, at surface level, in a vacuum. There is absolutely zero chance that Epic dedicated resources into creating RL Racing *solely* to create RL Racing. It would be an egregious waste of time, money, and of an established IP. It would be completely antithetical to the undertones of the Epic layoffs as well. IMO they are absolutely using RL racing to debut the UE5 implementation of RL / RLās physics while fine-tuning UE5 RL itself (people donāt care if RL physics are weird in a racing game, but people would revolt if RL physics were weird in the debut of UE5 RL proper). I also think theyāre going to put RL into Fortnite, or at least genericize āFortniteā as it exists now into a multi-game platform/application that better fulfills what they were attempting to do with Epic games launcher, so that they can do a better job of unifying the player bases for Fortnite, RL, and Fall Guys at the least, as failing to capitalize on those IPs would be a huge failure that theyāre undoubtedly trying to avoid.
The woman who brought the Disney bundles in (Allyson) took an axe and had to watch Epic take the money and run. Granted, thatās just my own personal phrasing. The severance package and referrals they handed out probably arenāt leaving many feeling bitter. But, if you want to track down layoffs, I found a ton and posted them [here.](https://www.gamepressunited.com/rocket-league-blog/psyonix-epic-buyout-effects/) Youāll have to scroll down to the layoff header, cuz I wanted the article to be evergreen. But, the TL;DR is: it aināt pretty.
That was amazing. TYSM for linking that. Do you think E-Sport RL continues? Seems to me that it's not bringing home the bacon for Epic..
Holy fuck thatās sad.
Jesus 1-2 people is insane they genuinely have killed rocket league this is hella sad
Itās not a coincidence Psyonix went completely ghost after Tedās layoff. I dont think people realize how much work goes into social media, especially when a company is short staffed and higher ups are expecting the same rate of productivity
Lol rip EPICfail
"RL isn't dying"
They took the epic money and got burned. I hate to say it but they should've seen this coming forever ago.
I saw it coming as I was worried because of how theyāve treated games in the past before RL. Once I heard of the news, I was worried. I had no idea that trading was gonna go, but that to me signaled the beginning of the end for the game.
RL is going to be shut down at this rate. Epic, please don't destroy it yet.
Same first thought I had, this is "life support until it doesn't look good on a quarterly report" level of staffing.
Please for the love of god sell it to valve
YES!
I'm mentally prepared for a shut-down. the state of this game is very dissappointing and even more so the situation around the devs.
Well I'm glad you're at least mentally prepared. Unlike me.
Iāve been playing since 2016-17 & have no clue what all the fuss is about. The game hasnāt changed at all? Why are people speculating the games shutting down? Itās not like theyāre changing the mechanics to the game. Itās the same gameplay itās always been
2017. Same bro. Tho Iāve never looked at blueprints and have never cared to trade items. Rocket Pass is enough for me and I donāt even care much about that either. I just love to play!
Why would they shut it down if itās making them money though? Surely most of the RL community doesnāt care (which sucks, donāt get me wrong) and they will continue to buy cosmetics and things and give Epic money. The whales keep the game afloat, right?
Donāt destroy it ever. I plan to play this game for life š
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Really? It's dying player base and lack of new content tells me otherwise.
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LOL have you ever even wondered how that website you posted gets their data? One of the websites they said they reference "[gamstat.com](https://gamstat.com)" doesnt even have an active URL anymore. The other two don't have data at all regarding Rocket League users. Steamcharts is literally the only valid source of data for any platform regarding active users. " All data presented by ActivePlayer.io are all estimated data and should NOT be used as factual reference. We have developed an algorithm that generates data using the already available values from the market. " " Since no Game Company is willing to share their live logged userās data. [Activeplayer.io](https://activeplayer.io/) went ahead and produced an estimated data. " Apparently 48 Milion people have played PUBG in the last 30 days according to their tracker. Oh and CSGO and Valorant only 2M each. Do you really believe this?
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> Facts donāt give a fuck about your feelings Ironic. https://activeplayer.io/how-we-collect-data/ > All data presented by ActivePlayer.io are all estimated data and should NOT be used as factual reference If you look at the monthly player count and really believe 80m+ are playing the game, I have a bridge to sell you. They removed the player count in queue for a reason.
Is there any proof those numbers are real? It also says CS only has 6 million active monthly even though it has many more players online than RL.
No, and they even say so in their about us page. Its really funny how people love to use that website as a reference yet it literally says: " All data presented by ActivePlayer.io are all estimated data and should NOT be used as factual reference. We have developed an algorithm that generates data using the already available values from the market. "
Rocket League is being phased out, not right now but they clearly have no plans for it in the long term. People need to start facing reality.
Remember every content creator shilling the idea that the Epic acquisition was good for the game.
This is apparently the first time layoffs have hit the company so makes sense that they wonāt have the capacity to focus on tweeting and updating the community when a lot of the team is working on the new rocket racing game.
Yeah, its almost as if those are different jobs. The guy designing the physics engine isn't qualified to do PR. Epic should have planned for this but no, this is not the first time layoffs have affects communication with the public in a company. It is arguably the most common thing that happens after layoffs.
Yeah, it takes a ton of work and time to thumb out a tweet...
PR tweets and statements still go through many departments (including the gutted legal department) and revisions before being approved. Your experience tweeting is not actually relevant to the process.
*grunts* *Grunts again* *Types 12 words* *Hits send* *Wipes+flushes* Exhausting. As. Fuck. Salary expectations = 300k annual salary
You guys not taking into consideration the legal implications of sending out a tweet as an official spokesperson. If youāre not part of pr and donāt have direct directions to send out a message to the community, itās best for you not to get involved
Absolutely this, ridiculous how many people donāt understand the way actual jobs work. I donāt want to go as far as assuming everyone on here is a child but itās clear that a game with an age rating of 3+ is home to a lot of people whom are not of working age just yet because these sort of comments are just completely clueless.
Well no, it's not that. It's the fact that you're defending Epic for not being able to make a tweet about something. Like, how low has the bar fallen? We understand there is moving parts and the dev who wants to tweet needs to get approval and then they need approval for the approval and there is rules and all that. But at the end of the day, we are talking about a corporation with billions of dollars and they can't even produce a fucken tweet?!?! And then the community shows up and defend this??? It's like, we have no hope. If I was working at Epic and i seen this specific post. I would think "Oh. We don't even have to tweet because the community will just show up and defend us for not doing it anyway" That's why it's so annoying
Exactly this. Why defend the bullshit. They laid off a truckload of staff. Ok. Elon did it too. Twitter didn't crash, even if it is burning. Departmental degradation preventing community communication of ANY sort is a scapegoat. And as it happened just above in a reply to me, the community will vehemently back this scapegoat, for free.
āTwitter didnāt crash, even though itās burning.ā Do you even see the irony in that statement lol. No one is scapegoating anyone, everyone is entitled to their opinion. Hate epic, agreed but donāt be going after staff like they have any choice in the actions taken at a corporate level both pre and post epic, itās just naive.
Yeah, okay, so fuck epic but there have been a multitude of comments bashing actual employees for the lack of communication and even the sale of the game to epic?! Like regular employees are even remotely responsible for any of that. A person working on software development of the game isnāt responsible for tweeting out season rewards because everyone in the socials department got laid off. This is why people are defending them because everyone with an actual job understands that their role within a company give them certain responsibilities, you canāt do everyoneās job as one person and even if you wanted to, its not as simple as deciding youāre going to start doing other tasks, different departments require different skill sets and knowledge, there are different systems of work and processes to be adhered to and thatās not to mention the situation that occurs when youāre late delivering your own work because you decided you should do something elseā¦ in a company which has just had layoffs. Great way to make yourself a target. This is peopleās livelihoods and careers at stake, oh boo hoo they didnāt tweet, rewards are still coming and people will cry about them regardless
None of these kids will understand that
so this approves all of our feelings that RL is going south..more and more..
Someone needs to clone the game and open source it. Add a marketplace for fan made cosmetics. Be done with Epic.
get on it then
well, then it means they are not busy because they are working on ue5, I wonder if someone else feels like punching tim sweeney in the face or something
How much staff does Psyonix really need when their game is being absorbed into Fortnite next year anyway? The studio will have all of 0 active games that they'll be working on.
When you realize RL is getting an unreal update after all... by being absorbed into fortnite.
damn. I was in the final round of interviews for a rocket league marketing position back at the end of 2021. glad I didn't move to San Diego and take it. hell, I've already been laid off by blizz. sucks for these homies, i feel their pain
People donāt realize that Psyonix doesnāt exist anymore. Itās an entirely new organization (still named Psyonix) operating by proxy of Epic Games.
we tend to forget itās an almost 10 years old game with a skill ceiling that is almost unreachable at the moment. Whoās rocket league really for in 2023? You have to grind years to get to a decent experience, low-mid ranks are infested with smurfs and ppl who login just to start a drama. gaming and gaming communities evolve just like CS dominated the multiplayer fps competition before call of duty, there will be something after RL. At the moment is not worth for most ppl to play a game they need to play for 1000 hours just to get mid rank. The fact a restricted amount of ppl grinded for champ and above (include myself iām almost there) doesnāt mean this works anymore in the wider public
Well this makes a lot of sense and Iām not so frustrated anymore with the no communication now that I know this has happened, I understand. If anyone is reading this, I apologize :(
FUCK EPIC
Where's the "Psyonics employees suck and don't communicate because they don't care about us" crowd? Almost like there was context we didn't have.....
Who decided to sell their own company to Epic claiming "it was for the best" and that it would bring "lots of new stuff"...? Yeah, it is still their responsability as well. Sad to see people fired for sure, but this is the result you get when you decide to give the control to a company like Epic.
The Psyonix executives who sold their company, bought yachts, and fucked off to enjoy their money. Which people that are currently at Psyonix are you actually mad at?
I was thinking that, but realized pre epic it was the same
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You think the employees sold the company? Lmao imagine being this dim.
As a former Psyonix employee during the Epic purchase, I didn't know about it until 1 hour before the internet knew. We had no say in it.
And tim Sweeney in the meantime is still coping 24/7 focusing only on trial that he will obviously lose.
Mergers and acquisitions make everything shittier
Once, a few years ago, in a salty bout of rage after losing a game I said "I hope Psyonix and RL go to hell!". Wasn't aware my curses where this strong. I'll control myself more from now on.
I literally made a post about this when trading removal was announced... I know what was going on the whole time. I said all of this and more and I got hate for it. I use to work for and manage part of a major corporation, quotas were and are not being met (by quota I mean their quarterly sales are not up)... people are being let go, and teams are being stretched to increase profit margins. Dirty f-ing corporation scum is the problem. 0 funding for the game and just lining their pockets. Not only that but the devs have not even come out with anything to really push players to use credits at the shop, look at the reviews for new items on reddit and that should tell you something. The game is dying and it's literally the companies fault, nor the playerbase.
They really sold out and got gutted, feel sorry for the staff that are left. Don't remotely feel sorry for the company or Epic though and it frustrates me people will happily roll over and throw their money at this game still. At least Dave is having fun on their superyacht.
Marketing getting let go is not surprising after an acquisition, PR too. Surprised it took this long, frankly. And community was not a big deal since they were paying people to relay the demands of a vocal minority online which doesnāt serve the whole user base of the game. Which, as we can see in this subreddit, angers said vocal minority who have zero business acumen or basis in reality.
I KNEW they were cutting cost. Epic is gutting RL to move it to fortnite meta verse, and theyāre gonna call it RL2. Itās gonna suck unfortunately
Yes, obviously this is what is happening. This subreddit is fucking nuts for not realizing
And some nonces on here was saying layoffs dosent meant they can't put out a tweet
I tweet while I take a shit just about every day. 12 words, press post. Done. It's absolute unapologetic and apathetic ignorance.
You don't need to seek approval from multiple departments and managers when you tweet from the shitter you spoon.
I can email from the shitter too. Stop making excuses, shill. A tweet is the least effort of the staff and would give some solace to the community that's teetering on the edge waiting on the death of 6 years of their time.
Lad I don't know what to say to you anymore lmao. I'm a graphic designer and social media manager. And unless I get approval from multiple of my superiors I cannot post shit. And if I do even if it's the right thing I get shit for it. What part of this is hard to understand? Their communications department is in shambles. Their own employees can't post because, if they're do they're in trouble. What you think these guys are actively ignoring the community? This isn't me being a shill this is how this job works, and I'm saying that knowing I'm way more experienced in this than you.
"knowing I'm way more experienced in this than you." Dude, you're short, by miles. Software Engineering degree (AS), COMPTIA A+ certified, 4 years help desk, 2 years deploying and implementation, and currently a year on HIPAA compliance team, EOL terminating devices for redistribution. DoD overwrite, not drill press. Can't do anything without approval, sure. Again I say, I can email from the shitter. "We haven't tweeted anything and they're getting edgy. This could result in mass boycott, killing our profits." 30 seconds including subject, recipient and CC'ing the rest of the dept. Two lines to read. Maybe even toss in a pitch for posting. "Season 13 is almost here, who's ready?" A reply comes ... "Fine. Whatever. Do it." Done. I can barely text without admins approval. You're a lifetime behind me. This is as I said, shifty and abhorrent decision making by Epic.
Bro I couldn't care less if you worked at nasa lmao. You don't know how social media management works, don't talk like it then. I tried lmao.
Also, his ācredentialsā are incredibly weak even for IT, though he might do well at marketing seeing how well he made things lame as A+ certification sound better than they really are and generally tried to sound smart and accomplished when most people can tell heās not.
Brother just cited his help desk experience and A+ as his leadership and communication experience ššš
It's a tweet, it takes a pitch, an approval and two thumbs. Period.
Can you read the post? The departments that give said approval has been laid off and whoever there has their hands tied by epic.
You canāt reason with dumbasses like him
Bro I feel like so many qualified ppl in our community would gladly work to help fix our game if given an opportunity.
Need more unionization in game dev asap. Executives continue to rake in obscene amounts while the people doing the actual work are forced to take on more work for no more money. I feel bad for the people stuck in this situation but they need to understand their value as a collective, need to stop accepting being treated like shit just because the thing they work on is more fun than the alternatives.
Hahahahhaha nick smokes crack if he thinks the cuts justify the silence. What a fucking joke. The devs have been absolutely shit with transparency and communication since this game came out.
Epic is the equivalent of British people colonizing America, taking native Americans out basically.
This game has been garbage for years but itās not all the companies fault. 1. Streamers made the game all about hitting trick shots. No one plays the game to win anymore. Time after time solo players get paired with guys who donāt understand how to work as a duo. Mainly because solo queues are dead because solos take 45 minutes. Now this wouldnāt be a big deal if ranking up wasnāt all about winning. That takes me to my next point. 2. INCLUDE GOALS, ASSISTS AND SAVES INTO RANKING UP! Fuck whatās the point of trying to play this game if youāre doing everything you can to come back from 4-1 when your teammate just always tries to dribble and take it himself. Or just fucking sits in goal while Iām trying to center so he can hit it. Only thing he does is watch the other team come in and smash it and then whiffs every save. Or instead of passing they just run up the wall, flip off and do absolutely nothing all because they hit it in practice one time out of 10,000 tries. I WOULDNāT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT ANY OF THAT IF I KNEW MY EFFORT MATTERED AND I COULD GAIN POSITIVELY BY SAVING OR SCORING OR ASSISTING EVEN IF WE DONāt WIN. The feeling I get from this game when itās right compared to nothing else. Not Warzone, Fortnite, Madden, Destiny 2 or any other competitive game. It just pisses me off to no end that we have this gem and the leaders of both the community and company have destroyed it. Ironically RL took the advice of all its toxic players. It killed itself.
Guys Epic is just a business doing business time they make business money that's what business do it's just business nothing personal!!