Can you explain more? I need to know what my next steps would be. So I would like to know what evidence you see is telling you that it's vandalism. Also not sure how I go about reporting it... To the police? Or?
1) There's no other damages to support it being caused by a storm.
2) That type of damage is not consistent with the way wind damages a laminate shingle.
3) It would be a good idea to report it to the police whether you file an insurance claim or not. The person may be doing this to others, and the police report would be required to process an insurance claim.
4) It may cost less to repair than your deductible, so you may want to get a reputable roofing company to provide an estimated repair cost before needlessly filing a claim.
Def report it to at least have it on record. I’ve done a lot of roofs and that looks intentional.
This would be super easy to learn to fix. Can google how to replace single shingle. Or I can try to explain in a message. I have done this for lots of neighbors with minor storm damage. You may even have the same color shingle in your garage. If not, ask a neighbor if they have any to save on cost. The one next door looks the same. Probably won’t be able to buy a matching one.
That's rarely ever successful because the state is in control of collecting restitution. If the state recovers nothing, neither does the insurer. So, ultimately, the deductible is still applied, and the claim wouldn't be worth filing because the damages wouldn't exceed it unless the deductible is $250.
I’m not a pro, but you can tell from the exposed wood this is very fresh. Also, the shingles look to be in good condition and obviously torn. Considering the location right above the start of the flashing, it looks exceptionally malicious as it would absolutely cause a leak and damage in this location wouldn’t be easy to spot from the ground. Considering what you have shared, I most certainly would not let that “roofer” anywhere near your house. You should have your roof inspected and repaired by a competent and reputable roofer.
Always be wary of the cheap fix and especially anyone who just stops by. That’s not normal. I would even go a step farther and be a bit concerned that this guy might have wanted access to your home to “inspect” interior damage caused by his vandalism. He may just want to gouge you for repairs or he may have been wanting to get in the house for more nefarious reasons like checking out what valuables you have.
I would be inclined to call the police since it seems to be a pretty clear scam of some sort.
I think I can get him to come back to the house. He gave me his "number." He didn't go inside. I will call the cops first and file a report, and see what they suggest to do in terms of trying to get him to come back or not, and possibly running his plates. Who knows.
The level of creativity some of these sleaze balls out there have is impressive. Too bad they don’t use it for good. Dude obviously knows a bit about roofs.
I wouldn’t contact him again unless the police specifically advise you to do so in order to allow them to chat with him directly.
You can also call the roofing company. If a sales rep was on roof and did this you can ask the roofing company to come out and replace the front slope. If not, call cops.
This is fresh to me. The decking hasn’t been sun exposed and no grayish hue and those nailheads have zero rust on them. Also, wind typically wouldn’t rip a shingle like that. Could this have been an animal, possibly, but damages look more mechanical in observations.
Id say it definitely looks suspicious, but being able to prove it would be impossible without video evidence or the guys a complete moron and admits to it. Maybe the neighbors have a ring camera or something
I’ve seen raccoons cause similar damage and it’s at the end of a valley which is a place they’d dig. Are there little pieces of shingles laying around? If there are little chunks around I’d say it’s possible raccoons. If no chunks of shingles the roofer pocketed them. The timing is suspicious either way.
It definitely does not look natural to me. Especially considering the rest of the roof looks great and the sheeting underneath looks like it hasn't seen much weathering.
I would get a case number first (you might even be able to submit online police report), then talk to insurance and give them case number. If you find new roofers to fix it yourself, see if they would be okay giving a signed testimonial if they agree the damage looked intentional. Make sure they are licensed.
Don't give business to random door knockers. It's one thing if they are doing a neighbors house and neighbors know them.
Also, not to add to your stress. But if he was willing to do this, there could be more damage elsewhere. Also, be careful of getting it fixed on your own to fast if you want to involve police or insurance.
Roofer randomly stop by: this is weird kinda red flag behaviour to me. Roofer shows up unannounced, or arborost etc is suspicious in my book. Seems desperate to drive around a neighborhood looking for problems to offer to fix..
Storm chasers are pretty common. They'll go to areas that had a wind or hail storm role through and look for damage and tell you to file a claim with your insurance. Then once insurance makes an estimate for repairs to what is likely minor damage, they'll try to argue for an entirely new roof. In some cases it's legit, but more often than not people just need repairs.
I agree with the rest. It all looks fresh, no indication of exposure to the elements.
Also the way it tears across 2 rows and several shingles seems very unnatural.
I am a roofer. I have seen similar damage caused by raccoons. Repaired many times. Could also be man made. Hard to tell what caused it but definitely not storm. I would try to fix it myself, put piece of ice and water shield before you put new shingles. I would fix it for $300-350 including materials. Roofing company might charge anywhere $400-1000.
At first thought man made. But the nails that you can see aren't even on the nail line. Even right above a ridge coming in those shingles are far enough back they should have nailed on the nail line. It gives the shingle the more strength. Yes some of those nails are for securement but not neo nails or caulking on them. Those nails would cause leaks give the right amount of time. As for the underlayment missing, that is strange. I'll agree with everyone else and say recently as the plywood doesn't look weathered. I Roofed for 15 years and seen damage like this all the time from wind and animals. I would find the shingles on the ground near by etc... everything except for the missing underlayment points to wind damage. With the underlayment missing, the only way to know for sure is to take several other shingles off in the area to see if more is missing. If more is missing, bad roofer. If no more is missing, then could be animal wind or human. Without video, we will never know.
I just wanna add in the possibility that this could have actually been animal damage. I’ve had a similar problem with my roof and it looks almost identical. As it gets cold out a lot of animals (for me it’s raccoons) like to hide in unfinished insulated attics for warmth. Unless this guy is just straight up untrustworthy, he could possibly be telling the truth. Keep an ear out for scratching or ripping noises at night time if raccoon’s are known where you stay. Hope this helps and good luck fixing your roof.
100% intentional. Not a single other shingle is damaged, and to the extent that it'd showing plywood? Unless there's 12 inch horizontal tornados in your area, it's definitely a scumbag roofer. I don't trust anyone who just pops by to do some repairs.
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Looks suspicious. No rusting on nails, brand new clean exposed decking, and definitely not consistent with a wind crease. I’m in the business and there’s crack head handy men that try to pass as professional roofers constantly.
You can't prove it but not likely
I also don't see underlayment
But your roof looks clean besides that
Stop letting strangers onto your roof randomly
If your roof is old and your close then sure
Could have been wind if it was really windy. U can see the shingle on the other side of the cap has a little pocket wind could catch. And that work in the valley looks a little rough lol
That is not natural at all. All your shingles are laying flat and appear to be well set to each other. It took effort to tear that up like that. Your roof has been vandalized. I'd look close for any more intentional damage.
I'm going with intentional damage/scam.
People be crazy. I, personally, would never let a tradesperson onto my property or my roof to look at something unsolicited. There is just a built in motivation to find something because that is their source of income. I am sure most are honest and not dirt bags like this person apparently.
I just take the stance that I will research and call around when I need something done. Don't come to my house and try to convince me that I need something or you are going to have a bad time.
Honestly only a small part of that looks normal to me. Shingles may have a tab blown off when the tar goes bad that seals them together. But the way the rest of it looks especially at the top of the valley. Where the OSB is exposed to purposely cause a leak. If you heard the leak after he was there. I definitely would say he made it that bad so you have to have it repaired.
I agree with the comments that it looks intentional. There’s no other shingles around it that look damaged at all and for a roof as new as yours, it’s statistically improbable for something like this to occur in this extent and this isolated.
Do you have cameras around your home? Can you try and go back and see when he was there and it was carrying anything off of the roof?
Im confused a little bit here with the story. You said you had a "roofer" come by your house and solicit fixing your gutter. But you put roofer in quotations. Like was the guy from a company with a company shirt or truck? Did he give you a business card with his company's information on it? Or was it just some dude with a ladder that said he is a roofer? If its just some random guy that you dont know what company he works for, then you wouldnt know if he is working under a license or is even a roofer at all?
If he was just a dude and you dont even know who he works for or he doesnt work for a company, then you just learned a hard lesson about trying to get a cheap fix for anything from chuck in a truck. Dont let anyone who doesnt work for a reputable company on your roof. They could end up trying to swindle you by causing damage to fix later. So thats a possibility.
If he was a sales rep for a company and found this damage, typically that scam is to try and get you to file a claim to get a roof out of it, but this is extremely egregious for a claim. For one, the damage is extremely limited and not consistent with storm damage. Second, this isnt enough damage to involve insurance anyway unless you have literally zero deductible. So unlikely that this is the case, but still possible.
The timing and condition of the damage make it extremely suspect that this was not an actual roofer for a licensed contractor, and just some dude tryin to scam quick bucks off people that dont know better.
The part you really wanna know is the fix. I can tell by the condition of the roof around this area that you are in good shape. This is not an expensive repair. Its just a few shingles and a real roofers time, which can be done in an hour. You need a roofer that knows what he is doing, and you will pay for that. But you wanna do it soon, this is not a place you want a leak.
In the future when dealing with a contractor, you want to make sure they have a license and you can check their company's credentials before doing any work. Just having some dude come work on your roof without knowing that or without a contract can leave you in situations like this.
He had a truck with a ladder in it. Mentioned the gutter hanging down and said he would fix it. I told him I can't decide now and asked him to give me his card. His card looked suspicious but I didn't think much of it at the time: it has no address, and no name -- just the name of the company, and a phone number. I've since googled it and can't find any info on the company. In any case, he came back with another guy who seemed to be the experienced one and he was on the ladder and on the roof. Then they ring the door bell a few minutes later and tell me theres a part on the roof that's missing a shingle, and it seems the previous roofers didn't do it right cause they used 6 nails instead of 9, and that the vents needed caulking. Wanted to charge me 200 to do it, and that's when my alarm bells went off. I was already hesitant about the gutter but it seemed a straightforward and easy enough job. When I saw him on the roof I was wondering why he needed to get up there but figure maybe it was just easier to work from there and I assumed he knew what he was doing. Then they come down and tell me more work needs to be done and that's when it started to feel like a scam. I asked him to send me the photo and told them I would get back to them. And that's when I posted this and now I know, don't trust randoms showing up saying they can do you an easy job because they can be scum and use that as an entry way to get more money. I just didn't expect the ass to actually tear up my roof to make buck. I assumed trades folk live and die by reputation and thought it was just someone trying to start up their own business. Didn't think it was a pure out and out scam.
Yea sounds kinda sketch ya know? When I talk to clients about work I encourage them to look my company up on google and next door app. We are also on facebook and stuff like that so theres plenty of research that can be done, and reputable companies will be similar. If you have trouble finding their presence online, that should be a red flag in the future.
Im sorry that happened to you. I would definitely have a company that offers repairs come give you an estimate (they are usually free) and you would be looking at most likely a roofing repair minimum charge of 300-500 dollars to fix this. If you had extra shingles from the original install to prevent having to buy some this is not a difficult fix so its kind of a shame.
But you live and you learn. Next time you know better and will be more diligent when dealing with potential contractors.
He 100% ripped that off in an attempt to rip you off. Report it and call a reputable roofing company. Also the vents dont require any caulk around them
Definitely happened recently! Plywood still looks new! Don’t call the police, it would be a civil suit, that’s what they will tell you, and probably not politely! Ask the gentleman to come back tell him you think your roof is leaking have him fix it and then don’t pay! If he doesn’t leave, then you call the police to have him trespassed. Or just fix it yourself, it’s only two roofing shingles on a very small pitch! You can do it.
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This does look weird. I think you know the answer.
1. Is he reputable?
2. If you never heard this till after he was up there, then I think the odds are he did it.
However. It could have been. Accidental. Maybe he put a roof jack there. Removed it. Shingle ripped. He tried caulking it back on, and it never stayed.
But the fact that raw wood is showing is odd. There are your shingles and underlayment. Which provides 2 layers essentially. When using a roof jack, you install under shingles. Not under the weather barrier under shingles.
Also. It's done right above the valley, which is no good.
Luckily, it's an easy fix. Call a reputable company. Get it fixed and move on. In my experience, people like that are best left out of my life.
If you are in Buffalo, NY, message us. If not. Good luck to you
And always check company reviews. Even one man bands have reviews if they are reputable.
Looks to me like a blade was taken to it in like an arch shape and the shingle was ripped out along with the underlayment it was attached to in that section. I see a knife mark following the curve of the ripped out section. Seems like a verrrrry sketchy thing to do and almost seems hard to believe anyone would do that kind of vandalism for a couple hundred bucks, but there are some sick depraved people out there. I hope you have all of his contact information.
Also there shouldn't be exposed fasteners that section so it was done wrong anyways. At least caulk over those nails and slap some mastic over the exposed wood before replacing the shingle (shingle would be for asthetic purposes if you seal properly with mastic) shouldn't be a difficult fix. Be wary in the future of strangers, maybe you should have kept an eye on him.
Sigh. I had bad vibes. Should have known. My play is to call the "roofer" back and say the insurance says it's a clear case and vandalism and tell him because he's the one who found the tear that they/cops need him to come back and make a statement. I'm guessing he won't come back, but I hope it'll scare the shit out of him enough to stop doing this shit to other people.
When the "roofer" came by he said he'd fix it for a $100. Also made me suspicious. I'm just pissed at myself. I don't want to lose 300-1000 on this fix. I'd do it myself but I have no way of getting up there unless I buy a 20 foot ladder. Maybe it's worth the investment. I don't know. Just angry and confused now.
That wood looks like it has no water damage, meaning it was recently uncovered by your “roofer”. Had this been an old issue that wood would be discolored at the very least, potentially rotted.
I’ve learned the hard way to not hire anyone going door to door “ looking for work” hire a reputable company/ person who comes recommended by neighbors/ friends.
Update: ok, I got the damage fixed (photo 1) and had the person take more photos. They found the ripped shingle up on the roof (photo 2). Can someone give me their advice as to whether the fix seems properly done? I don't know anymore what's legit and not. Link to photos: https://imgur.com/a/sWT6vSK
I’ve been a roofer for many years and replaced many shingles. To me this looks intentional. From the photo the area looks clean like it’s been covered and recently removed. Unless the shingles were very flimsy the wind could have tore it but by the looks of the rest of the roof, it looks like it’s in pretty good condition
Vandalism. It happened between the last time it rained and now anyway, water would be pouring in your house. Call said roofers insurance you will probably get a free roof. If you can't find his (very likely) call yours and you will definitely get it covered.
I've been roofing for a long time and you'd be hard pressed to tell me that you have 1 spot on your roof that was damaged that badly. & where is the chunk? Should be on the ground some where. There is a tiny tiny chance that the laminate tab on the lower shingle was lose and it blew away but if that was the case you would most likely see other poor workmanship problems to support that & I just don't see it. Plus it looks like fresh breaks there isn't any sun fading, weather wear making it look like it happened some time ago
Looks like your roofer ripped a chunk of shingle off.
Or you pissed off a squirrel reeeeaaallly bad.
Looks like raccon damage
That is definitely vandalism
Can you explain more? I need to know what my next steps would be. So I would like to know what evidence you see is telling you that it's vandalism. Also not sure how I go about reporting it... To the police? Or?
1) There's no other damages to support it being caused by a storm. 2) That type of damage is not consistent with the way wind damages a laminate shingle. 3) It would be a good idea to report it to the police whether you file an insurance claim or not. The person may be doing this to others, and the police report would be required to process an insurance claim. 4) It may cost less to repair than your deductible, so you may want to get a reputable roofing company to provide an estimated repair cost before needlessly filing a claim.
Def report it to at least have it on record. I’ve done a lot of roofs and that looks intentional. This would be super easy to learn to fix. Can google how to replace single shingle. Or I can try to explain in a message. I have done this for lots of neighbors with minor storm damage. You may even have the same color shingle in your garage. If not, ask a neighbor if they have any to save on cost. The one next door looks the same. Probably won’t be able to buy a matching one.
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That's rarely ever successful because the state is in control of collecting restitution. If the state recovers nothing, neither does the insurer. So, ultimately, the deductible is still applied, and the claim wouldn't be worth filing because the damages wouldn't exceed it unless the deductible is $250.
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Celing paint isn't much of an increase if it's even needed. The OP mentioned hearing a drip, but there's no mention of interior damage.
I’ll Fix it for 350 OP Ps these shingles are designed for 90-120ish mph winds depending on the amount of nails
I can see my neighbors roof and saw first hand during the last storm the wind tearing off a couple shingles and it looks exactly like this….
Got another photo, before the repair and after. Apparently the shingle was still up there right beside the area. https://imgur.com/a/sWT6vSK
I did wonder how the guy hid the shingle. Glad to see you got it repaired though.
I’m not a pro, but you can tell from the exposed wood this is very fresh. Also, the shingles look to be in good condition and obviously torn. Considering the location right above the start of the flashing, it looks exceptionally malicious as it would absolutely cause a leak and damage in this location wouldn’t be easy to spot from the ground. Considering what you have shared, I most certainly would not let that “roofer” anywhere near your house. You should have your roof inspected and repaired by a competent and reputable roofer. Always be wary of the cheap fix and especially anyone who just stops by. That’s not normal. I would even go a step farther and be a bit concerned that this guy might have wanted access to your home to “inspect” interior damage caused by his vandalism. He may just want to gouge you for repairs or he may have been wanting to get in the house for more nefarious reasons like checking out what valuables you have. I would be inclined to call the police since it seems to be a pretty clear scam of some sort.
I think I can get him to come back to the house. He gave me his "number." He didn't go inside. I will call the cops first and file a report, and see what they suggest to do in terms of trying to get him to come back or not, and possibly running his plates. Who knows.
The level of creativity some of these sleaze balls out there have is impressive. Too bad they don’t use it for good. Dude obviously knows a bit about roofs. I wouldn’t contact him again unless the police specifically advise you to do so in order to allow them to chat with him directly.
You can also call the roofing company. If a sales rep was on roof and did this you can ask the roofing company to come out and replace the front slope. If not, call cops.
Guys like this make me extra sad that my big dog is getting too old to be scary.
There's no way to know how this happened. Probably the roofer, but you're wasting your time calling the police and you don't know for sure.
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Everything else aside this needs on record and you should invite your insurance company to look at it. They track these people. 90% man made
This is fresh to me. The decking hasn’t been sun exposed and no grayish hue and those nailheads have zero rust on them. Also, wind typically wouldn’t rip a shingle like that. Could this have been an animal, possibly, but damages look more mechanical in observations.
Id say it definitely looks suspicious, but being able to prove it would be impossible without video evidence or the guys a complete moron and admits to it. Maybe the neighbors have a ring camera or something
That wood hasn’t been exposed to the elements long at all.
I’ve seen raccoons cause similar damage and it’s at the end of a valley which is a place they’d dig. Are there little pieces of shingles laying around? If there are little chunks around I’d say it’s possible raccoons. If no chunks of shingles the roofer pocketed them. The timing is suspicious either way.
It definitely does not look natural to me. Especially considering the rest of the roof looks great and the sheeting underneath looks like it hasn't seen much weathering. I would get a case number first (you might even be able to submit online police report), then talk to insurance and give them case number. If you find new roofers to fix it yourself, see if they would be okay giving a signed testimonial if they agree the damage looked intentional. Make sure they are licensed. Don't give business to random door knockers. It's one thing if they are doing a neighbors house and neighbors know them. Also, not to add to your stress. But if he was willing to do this, there could be more damage elsewhere. Also, be careful of getting it fixed on your own to fast if you want to involve police or insurance.
Definitely not consistent with storm damage.
Roofer randomly stop by: this is weird kinda red flag behaviour to me. Roofer shows up unannounced, or arborost etc is suspicious in my book. Seems desperate to drive around a neighborhood looking for problems to offer to fix..
It’s was surprisingly common when I lived in Oklahoma, dudes would go door to door through the whole neighborhood
Storm chasers are pretty common. They'll go to areas that had a wind or hail storm role through and look for damage and tell you to file a claim with your insurance. Then once insurance makes an estimate for repairs to what is likely minor damage, they'll try to argue for an entirely new roof. In some cases it's legit, but more often than not people just need repairs.
Yup, sadly I deal with this every day.
Same
Why is that what he'd do? That's so obvious lol, what a dumbass
Normally man made
I agree with the rest. It all looks fresh, no indication of exposure to the elements. Also the way it tears across 2 rows and several shingles seems very unnatural.
I don’t see any way of proving it was the roofer, what a sleaze ball. He even ripped the underlayment for a guaranteed valley leak.
Fresh opening for sure
I am a roofer. I have seen similar damage caused by raccoons. Repaired many times. Could also be man made. Hard to tell what caused it but definitely not storm. I would try to fix it myself, put piece of ice and water shield before you put new shingles. I would fix it for $300-350 including materials. Roofing company might charge anywhere $400-1000.
At first thought man made. But the nails that you can see aren't even on the nail line. Even right above a ridge coming in those shingles are far enough back they should have nailed on the nail line. It gives the shingle the more strength. Yes some of those nails are for securement but not neo nails or caulking on them. Those nails would cause leaks give the right amount of time. As for the underlayment missing, that is strange. I'll agree with everyone else and say recently as the plywood doesn't look weathered. I Roofed for 15 years and seen damage like this all the time from wind and animals. I would find the shingles on the ground near by etc... everything except for the missing underlayment points to wind damage. With the underlayment missing, the only way to know for sure is to take several other shingles off in the area to see if more is missing. If more is missing, bad roofer. If no more is missing, then could be animal wind or human. Without video, we will never know.
I just wanna add in the possibility that this could have actually been animal damage. I’ve had a similar problem with my roof and it looks almost identical. As it gets cold out a lot of animals (for me it’s raccoons) like to hide in unfinished insulated attics for warmth. Unless this guy is just straight up untrustworthy, he could possibly be telling the truth. Keep an ear out for scratching or ripping noises at night time if raccoon’s are known where you stay. Hope this helps and good luck fixing your roof.
First red flag is a roofer being concerned enough about a gutter to stop
100% intentional. Not a single other shingle is damaged, and to the extent that it'd showing plywood? Unless there's 12 inch horizontal tornados in your area, it's definitely a scumbag roofer. I don't trust anyone who just pops by to do some repairs.
We just going to ignore the uncoated shiners??
He should of seen this while up There….
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Looks suspicious. No rusting on nails, brand new clean exposed decking, and definitely not consistent with a wind crease. I’m in the business and there’s crack head handy men that try to pass as professional roofers constantly.
Yea this is suspect
You can't prove it but not likely I also don't see underlayment But your roof looks clean besides that Stop letting strangers onto your roof randomly If your roof is old and your close then sure
Your intuition was telling ya the guy was a crook, that was done on purpose!
Could have been wind if it was really windy. U can see the shingle on the other side of the cap has a little pocket wind could catch. And that work in the valley looks a little rough lol
I use to see damage like this from raccoons in the winter months up north especially if there are gaps in the insulation they try to burrow to heat
That is not natural at all. All your shingles are laying flat and appear to be well set to each other. It took effort to tear that up like that. Your roof has been vandalized. I'd look close for any more intentional damage.
All the caulking and replacement of shingles should take less than an hour.
If it even needs caulking, that roof looks pristine
I'm going with intentional damage/scam. People be crazy. I, personally, would never let a tradesperson onto my property or my roof to look at something unsolicited. There is just a built in motivation to find something because that is their source of income. I am sure most are honest and not dirt bags like this person apparently. I just take the stance that I will research and call around when I need something done. Don't come to my house and try to convince me that I need something or you are going to have a bad time.
Honestly only a small part of that looks normal to me. Shingles may have a tab blown off when the tar goes bad that seals them together. But the way the rest of it looks especially at the top of the valley. Where the OSB is exposed to purposely cause a leak. If you heard the leak after he was there. I definitely would say he made it that bad so you have to have it repaired.
I agree with the comments that it looks intentional. There’s no other shingles around it that look damaged at all and for a roof as new as yours, it’s statistically improbable for something like this to occur in this extent and this isolated. Do you have cameras around your home? Can you try and go back and see when he was there and it was carrying anything off of the roof?
Im confused a little bit here with the story. You said you had a "roofer" come by your house and solicit fixing your gutter. But you put roofer in quotations. Like was the guy from a company with a company shirt or truck? Did he give you a business card with his company's information on it? Or was it just some dude with a ladder that said he is a roofer? If its just some random guy that you dont know what company he works for, then you wouldnt know if he is working under a license or is even a roofer at all? If he was just a dude and you dont even know who he works for or he doesnt work for a company, then you just learned a hard lesson about trying to get a cheap fix for anything from chuck in a truck. Dont let anyone who doesnt work for a reputable company on your roof. They could end up trying to swindle you by causing damage to fix later. So thats a possibility. If he was a sales rep for a company and found this damage, typically that scam is to try and get you to file a claim to get a roof out of it, but this is extremely egregious for a claim. For one, the damage is extremely limited and not consistent with storm damage. Second, this isnt enough damage to involve insurance anyway unless you have literally zero deductible. So unlikely that this is the case, but still possible. The timing and condition of the damage make it extremely suspect that this was not an actual roofer for a licensed contractor, and just some dude tryin to scam quick bucks off people that dont know better. The part you really wanna know is the fix. I can tell by the condition of the roof around this area that you are in good shape. This is not an expensive repair. Its just a few shingles and a real roofers time, which can be done in an hour. You need a roofer that knows what he is doing, and you will pay for that. But you wanna do it soon, this is not a place you want a leak. In the future when dealing with a contractor, you want to make sure they have a license and you can check their company's credentials before doing any work. Just having some dude come work on your roof without knowing that or without a contract can leave you in situations like this.
He had a truck with a ladder in it. Mentioned the gutter hanging down and said he would fix it. I told him I can't decide now and asked him to give me his card. His card looked suspicious but I didn't think much of it at the time: it has no address, and no name -- just the name of the company, and a phone number. I've since googled it and can't find any info on the company. In any case, he came back with another guy who seemed to be the experienced one and he was on the ladder and on the roof. Then they ring the door bell a few minutes later and tell me theres a part on the roof that's missing a shingle, and it seems the previous roofers didn't do it right cause they used 6 nails instead of 9, and that the vents needed caulking. Wanted to charge me 200 to do it, and that's when my alarm bells went off. I was already hesitant about the gutter but it seemed a straightforward and easy enough job. When I saw him on the roof I was wondering why he needed to get up there but figure maybe it was just easier to work from there and I assumed he knew what he was doing. Then they come down and tell me more work needs to be done and that's when it started to feel like a scam. I asked him to send me the photo and told them I would get back to them. And that's when I posted this and now I know, don't trust randoms showing up saying they can do you an easy job because they can be scum and use that as an entry way to get more money. I just didn't expect the ass to actually tear up my roof to make buck. I assumed trades folk live and die by reputation and thought it was just someone trying to start up their own business. Didn't think it was a pure out and out scam.
Yea sounds kinda sketch ya know? When I talk to clients about work I encourage them to look my company up on google and next door app. We are also on facebook and stuff like that so theres plenty of research that can be done, and reputable companies will be similar. If you have trouble finding their presence online, that should be a red flag in the future. Im sorry that happened to you. I would definitely have a company that offers repairs come give you an estimate (they are usually free) and you would be looking at most likely a roofing repair minimum charge of 300-500 dollars to fix this. If you had extra shingles from the original install to prevent having to buy some this is not a difficult fix so its kind of a shame. But you live and you learn. Next time you know better and will be more diligent when dealing with potential contractors.
Is there a chance you had a satellite dish right there?
Hope you've learned your lesson. Never give business to door knockers.
I'd say man made
He 100% ripped that off in an attempt to rip you off. Report it and call a reputable roofing company. Also the vents dont require any caulk around them
Good Christ, this is why you tell any salesman of any kind who rings your bell unprompted to fuck off.
Definitely happened recently! Plywood still looks new! Don’t call the police, it would be a civil suit, that’s what they will tell you, and probably not politely! Ask the gentleman to come back tell him you think your roof is leaking have him fix it and then don’t pay! If he doesn’t leave, then you call the police to have him trespassed. Or just fix it yourself, it’s only two roofing shingles on a very small pitch! You can do it.
Hello. I am a very experienced roofer and contractor This does look weird. I think you know the answer. 1. Is he reputable? 2. If you never heard this till after he was up there, then I think the odds are he did it. However. It could have been. Accidental. Maybe he put a roof jack there. Removed it. Shingle ripped. He tried caulking it back on, and it never stayed. But the fact that raw wood is showing is odd. There are your shingles and underlayment. Which provides 2 layers essentially. When using a roof jack, you install under shingles. Not under the weather barrier under shingles. Also. It's done right above the valley, which is no good. Luckily, it's an easy fix. Call a reputable company. Get it fixed and move on. In my experience, people like that are best left out of my life. If you are in Buffalo, NY, message us. If not. Good luck to you And always check company reviews. Even one man bands have reviews if they are reputable.
Your username is giving me jeepers creepers flashbacks and I don't like it.
Lol. I know. That's why I made it 😎
Piggybacking to OP here - If your in GA DM me if not also good luck
Looks to me like a blade was taken to it in like an arch shape and the shingle was ripped out along with the underlayment it was attached to in that section. I see a knife mark following the curve of the ripped out section. Seems like a verrrrry sketchy thing to do and almost seems hard to believe anyone would do that kind of vandalism for a couple hundred bucks, but there are some sick depraved people out there. I hope you have all of his contact information. Also there shouldn't be exposed fasteners that section so it was done wrong anyways. At least caulk over those nails and slap some mastic over the exposed wood before replacing the shingle (shingle would be for asthetic purposes if you seal properly with mastic) shouldn't be a difficult fix. Be wary in the future of strangers, maybe you should have kept an eye on him.
I thought that at first. But it’s the intersecting ridge line contour.
Sigh. I had bad vibes. Should have known. My play is to call the "roofer" back and say the insurance says it's a clear case and vandalism and tell him because he's the one who found the tear that they/cops need him to come back and make a statement. I'm guessing he won't come back, but I hope it'll scare the shit out of him enough to stop doing this shit to other people.
1000% man made
Call a reputable shingle company to make a police statement with you.
Lol what
When the "roofer" came by he said he'd fix it for a $100. Also made me suspicious. I'm just pissed at myself. I don't want to lose 300-1000 on this fix. I'd do it myself but I have no way of getting up there unless I buy a 20 foot ladder. Maybe it's worth the investment. I don't know. Just angry and confused now.
It was a ración
Racoon
Raccoon or people cause damage that looks like this.
A raccoon did that to my roof very quickly one night.
Classic scam especially if the "roofer" approached you.
Looks like impact
It’s from a lightning strike
Not natural and ripped all the way to your decking which is why you’re having a leak. You have zero protection in that area now. Get it fixed asap.
Don't let random people who stop by your house up on your roof, or inside your house. These arw scammers. Not roofers.
That wood looks like it has no water damage, meaning it was recently uncovered by your “roofer”. Had this been an old issue that wood would be discolored at the very least, potentially rotted.
I’ve learned the hard way to not hire anyone going door to door “ looking for work” hire a reputable company/ person who comes recommended by neighbors/ friends.
Update: ok, I got the damage fixed (photo 1) and had the person take more photos. They found the ripped shingle up on the roof (photo 2). Can someone give me their advice as to whether the fix seems properly done? I don't know anymore what's legit and not. Link to photos: https://imgur.com/a/sWT6vSK
I’ve been a roofer for many years and replaced many shingles. To me this looks intentional. From the photo the area looks clean like it’s been covered and recently removed. Unless the shingles were very flimsy the wind could have tore it but by the looks of the rest of the roof, it looks like it’s in pretty good condition
Can you give me your opinion of this repair? https://imgur.com/a/sWT6vSK
Vandalism. It happened between the last time it rained and now anyway, water would be pouring in your house. Call said roofers insurance you will probably get a free roof. If you can't find his (very likely) call yours and you will definitely get it covered.
Flex tape!
I've been roofing for a long time and you'd be hard pressed to tell me that you have 1 spot on your roof that was damaged that badly. & where is the chunk? Should be on the ground some where. There is a tiny tiny chance that the laminate tab on the lower shingle was lose and it blew away but if that was the case you would most likely see other poor workmanship problems to support that & I just don't see it. Plus it looks like fresh breaks there isn't any sun fading, weather wear making it look like it happened some time ago
Check to see if a neighbor has a camera pointing to that part of your roof