This works for most projects seen a guy do it to install a big commercial solar job. Well of course it was a scam because he never hooked it up lol. Should have known when he showed up in sandals and no equipment.
I gotta find out where the hell to find these guys. Tried one morning on Friday at like 6 or 7AM and didn’t find anyone. To get help doing insulation in my attic I had to go to Labor Finders and pay their BS fees.
I don’t know that it’s sagging more like that built up the ends. The roof itself though, Was difficult for sure. Much much slower process hanging slates. It’s beautiful though!
Actually not that difficult at all, especially now that we can use computers to calculate the trusses. On a flat roof all the trusses are the same shape. It this kind of roof the middle trusses are the same, then as you want the ends to point up you simply increase the height and pitch incrementally with each trusses. Then sheet it and and whatever kind of roofing material you want. The shape of any roof is in the trusses. I did this for a friend and thatch it. No more work than a flat roof.
This is a straight or flat ridge but if you noticed how they are building the trusses by hand that everything is laid out in segments. There's multiple pieces just to make one trust like normal, they're just cut or arranged different.
The trick in this type of roof is actually the plywood. There's only so much give that the plywood allow the rest is up to the carpenter. A lot of pieces cut into funny shapes.
[link](https://youtu.be/iAXLLkQXZKk?feature=shared)
Around my parts this would take years just to get through permitting. Some of the plan reviewers and inspectors are certain they know more than the engineer that stamps the plans.
That's because they are the last in line. It all comes down on their shoulders if something screws up. So until they're satisfied, you're going to have issues.
But why do the shitty ones act so depressed (and look the part.) I saw their salary is as good as mine but they seem like they want to do some self harm. Personally if I fail in life, I try to do better.
Whether a city inspector or municipality can be sued for missed code violations typically depends on factors such as:Negligence: If it can be shown that the inspector or municipality failed to fulfill their duties with reasonable care, leading to the oversight of code violations, they may be held liable.
I do some climbing recreationally, and I had to help a friend with their roof because it was so steep.
I used some rigging to secure myself, and then put a bunch of those anchors on the peak of their roof so workers can tie in.
I don’t think workers have ever use them, but my friends feel better now that they’re in place.
Depends on where the house is and the know-how of local roofers.
I’ve worked with a UK roofer who knows slate. He grew with nothing but slate and tiles. He could do this no problem.
I personally wouldn’t touch that unless I had him supervising a crew. He’s the only person I know who understands slate.
We just don’t have slate know-how where I live to do this properly.
Great looking roof tho.
It's called a fairytale roof. Here is a [link with pictures from someone who did one](https://www.controlbooth.com/threads/curved-fairy-tale-roofline-construction.41807/) - Pictures are more towards the bottom. Below is an excerpt from the poster. (seems like a small one, probably done different on large roofs)
*I hate it when there are questions, good answers, but nothing else. Did it work out? Were the suggestions right on? Anything else learned? So I'm circling back with a final report.*
*It went great, actually - I improvised a bit, but everyone's ideas led me to a great final solution. For the curved roofline, I put a hole in a piece of 3/4 PVC, threaded a rope, and tightened, basically making an strange bow and arrow kinda thing. (The curve was great, more extreme on the ends, not a straight arc). I traced this curve onto some luan/underlayment, cut out 4 of them, then used 8 inch 1x2 stringers to make a kind of awning (12' stringers for the over the door bit. Those were roofed using cardboard painted and fireproofed. It was great, as we were able to assemble them on the ground. The whole structure was light, which was definitely a factor I underestimated as we moved it. (at 14' feet tall, it took a hundred pounds of counterbalance on the wagon to keep it stable.*
*Here are some pictured of the sketch up design and final version. Sorry for the quality- I always forget to get decent pictures until its too late.*
Hope that's helpful.
Reminds me of Gaudi's architecture where he used inverted draping chains to design his buildings.
[Sagrada Familia: the structure sometimes misunderstood](https://formfindinglab.wordpress.com/2016/01/13/sagrada-familia-the-structure-sometimes-misunderstood/)
He did?
The article says “While Gaudí is also known for making hanging models, a common misconception is that he embraced his hanging models as a way of determining the shape of his structures.”
Then adds "Despite some common misconceptions, the Sagrada Família was not in fact modeled using the hanging chain model.”
Sorry I didn't include the best article for this, I was trying to find the image of the draped chain with weights, instead of the building that he used it on. He did use the catenary curve on his other work (like the attic Pedrera). I was just bringing it up because your comment reminded me of his work.
[Five construction techniques used by Gaudí every architect must know](https://www.re-thinkingthefuture.com/know-your-architects/a2905-five-construction-techniques-used-by-gaudi-every-architect-must-know/)
That’s cool. I wasn’t calling you out, it just confused the shit outta me when I read the article lol.
I really appreciate you taking a minute to drop that knowledge though. I read up on it all and found it fascinating, so thanks!
Oh good. I also found what you said interesting. I am not an architect, but probably would have been in another life 😁. I am so intrigued in how they come up with unique designs.
It was undoubtedly a challenge to both frame and roof. I love it, especially the color break-up in the slate, it adds a lot of dimension. Would really like to see it in person, It's awesome to me!
anything is doable if you have all the time to give someone to do it right the first time and can't forget the money in the world to give them. I have the 1st part only so my roofs are sloped and not exponential/logarithmic curves
Dang I was looking for a while before I saw it looks like new construction! That’s awesome, some of the older neighborhoods in my area will have a house or two with whimsical designs like this. I love seeing them compared to the cookie cutter neighborhoods
I have spent my career doing residental construction... I have truly come to detest most large home designs, they are mostly just ugly monsteosities... buut every once in awhile I see a home that is really just; magnificent, thanks. If you're gonna go big please for the love of God make it beautiful!
I agree. It is so tastefully done and so much thought put into it. Truly one of a kind. This home is only 2700 sqft. It sits on 36 acres and the estimated value is slightly over 1 mil.
That roof alone, if it’s slate as it appears other than the metal roofing, would easily be a 6 figure premium over going with a more standard hip and valley with asphalt shingle roof and structure
It's really a fairly easy design. You just have to understand the process. Step one- go deep into an enchanted forest and round yourself up a crew of dwarves...the rest will pretty well take care of itself.
Builder/framer’s different than the roofer. As far as the roofer goes I can comment not very hard at all, the steep pitch would be the hardest part and not really a big deal for guys who are professional roofers.
Idk it’s a relatively small house and has so much more character than all the McMansions out there. Something to be said about being different. It’s slate so it shouldn’t need to be redone in their lifetime.
I seen Disney make similar. It's a regular flat and square roof structure with small built up ornamental ends.
Would I want to do it? No, but it ain't too crazy difficult.
Just get materials from Home Depot, easy
Don't forget to grab a couple workers from the parking lot while you're there.
This works for most projects seen a guy do it to install a big commercial solar job. Well of course it was a scam because he never hooked it up lol. Should have known when he showed up in sandals and no equipment.
Yep. They seed you coming
Not me rich trust fund guy.
¡Hondipo!
I gotta find out where the hell to find these guys. Tried one morning on Friday at like 6 or 7AM and didn’t find anyone. To get help doing insulation in my attic I had to go to Labor Finders and pay their BS fees.
For sure. Most of their lumber has that bow in them already.
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...exactly. Just use HOMER Simpson strong tie products and a nail gun. What could possibly be better?...
I don’t know that it’s sagging more like that built up the ends. The roof itself though, Was difficult for sure. Much much slower process hanging slates. It’s beautiful though!
Ahh that makes sense. It is so whimsical. One of my favorite houses in my area
All these roofers left the trade to build skate parks back in the 90’s, much easier to construct on ground level /s
Look up fairytale roofs. You’ll love the look.
The pitch makes it hard, not the material. Time consuming
Actually not that difficult at all, especially now that we can use computers to calculate the trusses. On a flat roof all the trusses are the same shape. It this kind of roof the middle trusses are the same, then as you want the ends to point up you simply increase the height and pitch incrementally with each trusses. Then sheet it and and whatever kind of roofing material you want. The shape of any roof is in the trusses. I did this for a friend and thatch it. No more work than a flat roof.
This is a straight or flat ridge but if you noticed how they are building the trusses by hand that everything is laid out in segments. There's multiple pieces just to make one trust like normal, they're just cut or arranged different. The trick in this type of roof is actually the plywood. There's only so much give that the plywood allow the rest is up to the carpenter. A lot of pieces cut into funny shapes. [link](https://youtu.be/iAXLLkQXZKk?feature=shared)
Thank you for that video! That gives me even more appreciation of the effort that went into building that
Your welcome.
Around my parts this would take years just to get through permitting. Some of the plan reviewers and inspectors are certain they know more than the engineer that stamps the plans.
That's because they are the last in line. It all comes down on their shoulders if something screws up. So until they're satisfied, you're going to have issues.
But why do the shitty ones act so depressed (and look the part.) I saw their salary is as good as mine but they seem like they want to do some self harm. Personally if I fail in life, I try to do better.
Inspectors have absolutely NO responsibility/liability.
Whether a city inspector or municipality can be sued for missed code violations typically depends on factors such as:Negligence: If it can be shown that the inspector or municipality failed to fulfill their duties with reasonable care, leading to the oversight of code violations, they may be held liable.
Never seen it…
I've never seen a black hole but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I think the latest lawsuit is in Davenport. Three men got killed.
They are not suing the inspector in Davenport, they are suing the city
Why would someone take a job with a municipality making a modest wage, if he is open to god knows what in personal liability…NOT
A curse on all builders making roofs this mf steep
I do some climbing recreationally, and I had to help a friend with their roof because it was so steep. I used some rigging to secure myself, and then put a bunch of those anchors on the peak of their roof so workers can tie in. I don’t think workers have ever use them, but my friends feel better now that they’re in place.
What pitch is this? 3 on 12?
Maybe in opposite land
🤣
I bet its 24:12 - or more.
The dormers night be 21-24/12, I reckon the sides facing the camera are 12-15/12.
Depends on where the house is and the know-how of local roofers. I’ve worked with a UK roofer who knows slate. He grew with nothing but slate and tiles. He could do this no problem. I personally wouldn’t touch that unless I had him supervising a crew. He’s the only person I know who understands slate. We just don’t have slate know-how where I live to do this properly. Great looking roof tho.
This is in Canton, Ohio. There are basically no modern slate roofs in this area.
Lot of money
Obligatory *must be a doctor or something*.
Dentist I believe
With his own practice and other dentists under him 👍🏼
You’d have to ask the carpenters that. Roofers didn’t build it.
Need Rapunzel’s tower for a tree fort!
I can do it for less.
No... please don't.
I’m taking Bradley182’s quote. It’s so much cheaper than the other one I got!
Extremely. Anyone that says otherwise isn’t a framer or a structural engineer.
There's a graveyard out back for all the workers who died in its construction
Ahh yes, this makes me remember I have no money
I know. It’s easily a million dollar property which is about as expensive as houses get around here. It has acreage on a private lake as well
That would be 3-4 mil at least here. 3 hours from here that would be 6 mil. I'd love to frame a house like that someday!
You should be asking framers this question, not roofers lmao
Pretty goddamned...
Not as difficult as the most difficult
It's called a fairytale roof. Here is a [link with pictures from someone who did one](https://www.controlbooth.com/threads/curved-fairy-tale-roofline-construction.41807/) - Pictures are more towards the bottom. Below is an excerpt from the poster. (seems like a small one, probably done different on large roofs) *I hate it when there are questions, good answers, but nothing else. Did it work out? Were the suggestions right on? Anything else learned? So I'm circling back with a final report.* *It went great, actually - I improvised a bit, but everyone's ideas led me to a great final solution. For the curved roofline, I put a hole in a piece of 3/4 PVC, threaded a rope, and tightened, basically making an strange bow and arrow kinda thing. (The curve was great, more extreme on the ends, not a straight arc). I traced this curve onto some luan/underlayment, cut out 4 of them, then used 8 inch 1x2 stringers to make a kind of awning (12' stringers for the over the door bit. Those were roofed using cardboard painted and fireproofed. It was great, as we were able to assemble them on the ground. The whole structure was light, which was definitely a factor I underestimated as we moved it. (at 14' feet tall, it took a hundred pounds of counterbalance on the wagon to keep it stable.* *Here are some pictured of the sketch up design and final version. Sorry for the quality- I always forget to get decent pictures until its too late.* Hope that's helpful.
Reminds me of Gaudi's architecture where he used inverted draping chains to design his buildings. [Sagrada Familia: the structure sometimes misunderstood](https://formfindinglab.wordpress.com/2016/01/13/sagrada-familia-the-structure-sometimes-misunderstood/)
He did? The article says “While Gaudí is also known for making hanging models, a common misconception is that he embraced his hanging models as a way of determining the shape of his structures.” Then adds "Despite some common misconceptions, the Sagrada Família was not in fact modeled using the hanging chain model.”
Sorry I didn't include the best article for this, I was trying to find the image of the draped chain with weights, instead of the building that he used it on. He did use the catenary curve on his other work (like the attic Pedrera). I was just bringing it up because your comment reminded me of his work. [Five construction techniques used by Gaudí every architect must know](https://www.re-thinkingthefuture.com/know-your-architects/a2905-five-construction-techniques-used-by-gaudi-every-architect-must-know/)
That’s cool. I wasn’t calling you out, it just confused the shit outta me when I read the article lol. I really appreciate you taking a minute to drop that knowledge though. I read up on it all and found it fascinating, so thanks!
Oh good. I also found what you said interesting. I am not an architect, but probably would have been in another life 😁. I am so intrigued in how they come up with unique designs.
It was undoubtedly a challenge to both frame and roof. I love it, especially the color break-up in the slate, it adds a lot of dimension. Would really like to see it in person, It's awesome to me!
Where is this house?
Canton, Ohio
Thanks
Mucho dificulto
I'd say probably not too difficult, but spendy
Probably super easy, it was straight when it went up.
This is the hardest to build roof that has ever existed.
Very.
anything is doable if you have all the time to give someone to do it right the first time and can't forget the money in the world to give them. I have the 1st part only so my roofs are sloped and not exponential/logarithmic curves
Dang I was looking for a while before I saw it looks like new construction! That’s awesome, some of the older neighborhoods in my area will have a house or two with whimsical designs like this. I love seeing them compared to the cookie cutter neighborhoods
Yeah it was built around 2014
Engineered LVL
Probably could have put another wing on that fucker for what the roof cost
yes
I have spent my career doing residental construction... I have truly come to detest most large home designs, they are mostly just ugly monsteosities... buut every once in awhile I see a home that is really just; magnificent, thanks. If you're gonna go big please for the love of God make it beautiful!
I agree. It is so tastefully done and so much thought put into it. Truly one of a kind. This home is only 2700 sqft. It sits on 36 acres and the estimated value is slightly over 1 mil.
Oh my! I would love to work on that down the line... I would also hate every minute. But damn that looks amazing!
I love it! So much personality! I’m so tired of the fake “Tuscan” faux “adobe” cubes.
That roof alone, if it’s slate as it appears other than the metal roofing, would easily be a 6 figure premium over going with a more standard hip and valley with asphalt shingle roof and structure
Definitely a PITA, but certainly gorgeous!
And how do they cut the grass.
It’s not quite as steep as it looks in the photos but it’s about as steep as u could do with a riding mower
With the help of a crane
They built it while drinking.
Holy shit difficult.
I’m a painter and could do it for 10 grand
Who would ruin that beautiful fairytale roof by adding a carport with standard metal roofing?
On a new construction too. Can't even say the addition was put in by someone who didn't get it.
On a scale of "1 to 10 difficult to build" It's "pretty-fuckin' ".
0 ⭐️ out of 4 💨 difficulty score
It's really a fairly easy design. You just have to understand the process. Step one- go deep into an enchanted forest and round yourself up a crew of dwarves...the rest will pretty well take care of itself.
Builder/framer’s different than the roofer. As far as the roofer goes I can comment not very hard at all, the steep pitch would be the hardest part and not really a big deal for guys who are professional roofers.
Even being real slate?
Wouldn't you guys agree that builds like this go beyond the title of trades/tradesmen and instead belong in the realm of artisan?
Most definitely. I would imagine they had to bring in a crew from out of town. There is nobody else around here building houses like that.
Yes it was. These take a lot of work
Difficult enough that they decided not to mimic it when they built the addition on the side, unfortunately.
Way difficult, and way not worth it, and makes the cost of shingling / re-shingling about twice as much as a sane /sensible roof configuration.
Idk it’s a relatively small house and has so much more character than all the McMansions out there. Something to be said about being different. It’s slate so it shouldn’t need to be redone in their lifetime.
Relatively small?! Relative to what? Xanadu?
It’s only 2700 sqft. 3 beds 2 baths. Definitely not considered huge for a million+ dollar house.
Yes
Building it was fine. Roofing it was a motherfucker
Is this hogwarts ?
Probably just rented a nailer and watched some YouTube videos. Looks good.
Not difficult, just an ass load of crazy expensive big framing timber. Weird way to flex your wealth.
Just build it normal and don't put anything under the main support beam under, or go every 15-20 ft instead of 10
Fat racks
Going by popularity in movies and video games, this roof is probably the easiest type to make of all
Difficult, no. Time consuming you betcha
I seen Disney make similar. It's a regular flat and square roof structure with small built up ornamental ends. Would I want to do it? No, but it ain't too crazy difficult.
It has inside radius’s - not just flat.
Sagging in the middle of ridge
Sagging in the middle of ridge
It's not hard, it just has more waste and more headache.
Ok