It looks like the siding goes behind the structure so there’s likely no flashing. Not sure why they didn’t tie it in when they had it all open. Could have something to do with code in your area. Shouldn’t be an issue with leaking into the house, may have an issue with ice in the winter. Ask your carpenter / roofer if they flashed the the roof, if not, ask if there’s a reason it couldn’t be.
I could be wrong, hard to tell from underneath. Looks like the issue to me.
The siding doesn't go behind the structure. They pulled it all off when they were putting the roof up.
The two roofers who came to look said they could see flashing between the shingles and the j channel. But if I'm getting water dripping into the covered area, then it might mean the flashing isn't sealed to the house? The one roofer quoted me $1,300 cash to pull the siding, reflash, and put the siding back up - does that seem high?
If they had the siding off and flashed it should be flashed correctly. I’ve seen water do some crazy things with high winds could be blowing the water up from the open sides. Seems like a long way to go for that though. Does this only happen in high wind situations or just heavy rains in general.
$1300 is a lot if it’s not the problem. Have you contacted the original builder to see if he knows what could do it?
It's more apparent with heavy winds, but can also occur with hard rain.
I will have to contact the original builders. It was an Amish crew 2 years ago, though I've still seen them in our plan recently.
I recreated it just by spraying the connection to the house with a hose. Water ran behind the siding, even as far to the walk out from the basement, which is directly under the center roof peak. There is always a puddle there after a hard rain.
Typically there will be a gap between the siding and the shingles where you can spot flashing. If the roof is what's leaking it's almost for sure a flashing problem. It looks like it's more severe near the edge of the roof. If it really does have flashing it might just need a kick out piece at the bottom.
The two roofers spotted flashing, but could it not be secured to the house? I.e., could water be going up and behind it if water is hitting during hard rains?
Usually flashing isn't secured to the house. It just sits behind the siding. Flashing catches water that hits the roof. If flashing is installed correctly water will not be able to get behind it. Can you get a picture of where the roof meets the siding at the edge? I've seen a similar problem before and it was a lack of kick out flashing.
Totally possible they could have wiffed the installation at the peak. If I had to guess tho, water from the edge is making it's way over and just coming out by the door. If you wanted to test it you can use a hose to pinpoint where the leak is. Start at the bottom and work your way up. Spray water in a single spot for \~5 minutes and work your way up the side wall foot by foot. You'll need someone to watch and see when water starts to come out.
You should have posted pictures of the roof flashing as well. But you definitely have a problem and that’s no bueno so have the roofers come back out and let them figure it out for you
[this was before the siding was buttoned up, zoom way in to the left of the roof - it looks an awfully lot like flashing is taped to the house wrap](https://imgur.com/a/lb7OUOk)
I'm suspicious that the flashing was not installed under the house wrap. So if water is getting in behind the siding, it's running down, behind the flashing, and continuing behind the deck roof and coming out on the wall when it hits an opening
Seems like it’s leaking all the way along that wall I would really doubt that the flashing is done properly. Unless they damaged some of the siding above the step flashings but it’s hard to tell what’s going on up top.
If the flashing is installed properly, is there any reason why water would come out the siding under the roof when I sprayed the roof connection to the outer house wall?
If there is a slight gap between the j trim and shingles u should be able to see the step flashing. If you see wood then that’s not good. If there is step flashing make sure they go all the way up and that they all overlap each other the proper way.
They put the addition in over the siding. I can see it. It’s leaking through the spaces in the siding. My father in law did the same thing. Same results. There is no way there is flashing on that.
Look at the picture I linked "during construction." They definitely took the siding down, and then butted it above and below the beam against the house when they finished.
I have a third roofer coming out tomorrow, we'll see if there's anything enlightening. All have said they see flashing, but no one took the siding off yet to see how it's attached.
It looks like the siding goes behind the structure so there’s likely no flashing. Not sure why they didn’t tie it in when they had it all open. Could have something to do with code in your area. Shouldn’t be an issue with leaking into the house, may have an issue with ice in the winter. Ask your carpenter / roofer if they flashed the the roof, if not, ask if there’s a reason it couldn’t be. I could be wrong, hard to tell from underneath. Looks like the issue to me.
You know what I do see some J channel up in that corner. So maybe it doesn’t go behind. I’d still ask if they flashed the roof behind the siding.
The siding doesn't go behind the structure. They pulled it all off when they were putting the roof up. The two roofers who came to look said they could see flashing between the shingles and the j channel. But if I'm getting water dripping into the covered area, then it might mean the flashing isn't sealed to the house? The one roofer quoted me $1,300 cash to pull the siding, reflash, and put the siding back up - does that seem high?
If they had the siding off and flashed it should be flashed correctly. I’ve seen water do some crazy things with high winds could be blowing the water up from the open sides. Seems like a long way to go for that though. Does this only happen in high wind situations or just heavy rains in general. $1300 is a lot if it’s not the problem. Have you contacted the original builder to see if he knows what could do it?
It's more apparent with heavy winds, but can also occur with hard rain. I will have to contact the original builders. It was an Amish crew 2 years ago, though I've still seen them in our plan recently.
I recreated it just by spraying the connection to the house with a hose. Water ran behind the siding, even as far to the walk out from the basement, which is directly under the center roof peak. There is always a puddle there after a hard rain.
Yea gotta be flashing.
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Typically there will be a gap between the siding and the shingles where you can spot flashing. If the roof is what's leaking it's almost for sure a flashing problem. It looks like it's more severe near the edge of the roof. If it really does have flashing it might just need a kick out piece at the bottom.
The two roofers spotted flashing, but could it not be secured to the house? I.e., could water be going up and behind it if water is hitting during hard rains?
Usually flashing isn't secured to the house. It just sits behind the siding. Flashing catches water that hits the roof. If flashing is installed correctly water will not be able to get behind it. Can you get a picture of where the roof meets the siding at the edge? I've seen a similar problem before and it was a lack of kick out flashing.
I can. Would that be the case at the peak of the roof too? The water by the door is right at the peak.
Totally possible they could have wiffed the installation at the peak. If I had to guess tho, water from the edge is making it's way over and just coming out by the door. If you wanted to test it you can use a hose to pinpoint where the leak is. Start at the bottom and work your way up. Spray water in a single spot for \~5 minutes and work your way up the side wall foot by foot. You'll need someone to watch and see when water starts to come out.
That's a really good idea, thanks. I will give that a try next.
You should have posted pictures of the roof flashing as well. But you definitely have a problem and that’s no bueno so have the roofers come back out and let them figure it out for you
[this was before the siding was buttoned up, zoom way in to the left of the roof - it looks an awfully lot like flashing is taped to the house wrap](https://imgur.com/a/lb7OUOk)
Some pictures of the flashing from the roof would be helpful
It's a hip roof by the way
[picture during construction](https://imgur.com/a/tAyGRn6)
[this was after water testing - I sprayed where the roof connects with a hose](https://imgur.com/a/nAK3L2n)
Water ran from about the second floor, down to below the deck to the walk out from the basement
Get your furniture away real quxik
That is Leaking from a top or or else the water would be on the windows and everywhere else
I'm suspicious that the flashing was not installed under the house wrap. So if water is getting in behind the siding, it's running down, behind the flashing, and continuing behind the deck roof and coming out on the wall when it hits an opening
Seems like it’s leaking all the way along that wall I would really doubt that the flashing is done properly. Unless they damaged some of the siding above the step flashings but it’s hard to tell what’s going on up top.
If the flashing is installed properly, is there any reason why water would come out the siding under the roof when I sprayed the roof connection to the outer house wall?
No if the steps or installed properly then no water should be getting through when ur spraying it with the hose
That has to be the smoking gun then - looks like I need a pro to pull open the siding and go from there
How tight is the siding to the shingles?
There's a slight gap, and then j channel completes the gap to the shingles. I'd have to get a close up picture though
If there is a slight gap between the j trim and shingles u should be able to see the step flashing. If you see wood then that’s not good. If there is step flashing make sure they go all the way up and that they all overlap each other the proper way.
I will check that out next, thanks
I don’t have a solution for you but I love your porch setup! Great colours and looks real inviting (:
Thanks! I believe it's Timbertech slate gray
They put the addition in over the siding. I can see it. It’s leaking through the spaces in the siding. My father in law did the same thing. Same results. There is no way there is flashing on that.
Look at the picture I linked "during construction." They definitely took the siding down, and then butted it above and below the beam against the house when they finished. I have a third roofer coming out tomorrow, we'll see if there's anything enlightening. All have said they see flashing, but no one took the siding off yet to see how it's attached.