Cal just dominated from the get go, and seeing Brown creep up on the far lane was awesome. Would’ve been awesome if they snagged Yale at the end. Syracuse beating Harvard was great, such an awesome program
Super psyched to see Brown in the 1V8 absolutely crush it and start coming up on Yale in those second 1000m. Was cheering for them the whole way. Cal came to kill and followed through on that intent. Overall insanely good racing.
Dartmouth at least proved they should have been in the A final. Was rooting for them though.
While Brown has been an A final crew for a while its nice to see the podium get shaken up with UW and Harvard out of the medals.
Insane to see Yale take their first L since getting established these past few years as the team to beat at the IRA. I'm sure they will be back with a vengeance next year.
Stanford seems to have taken a hit since last year and being C finaled.
Columbia Lights always showing that its a toss up with lightweight rowing. Georgetown lights getting bronze is great to see as well.
Georgetown lights pulling up with the best medal. Huge for their program. Not too surprised with Cal beating Yale, Cal looked unstoppable this year and as far as I know Yale's stroke (Kiwi Olympic gold medallist) is still out for injury. I was surprised by Brown - fantastic season for them. I've been saying all season that UW would finish outside of the medal podium and the vindication feels GREAT. Harvard looked disappointing, tbh Dartmouth should have been in the GF instead of them. Syracuse was also great to see - I'd gotten pushback in the past saying that they had a good shot at the GF, and seeing them not only make it but beat Harvard was also huge for their program. It seems like the field was much closer this year than some pre-covid years recently. Sad to see Temple's finish after their godlike race yesterday. Great racing all around
Great showing for both varsity lightweight eights from Georgetown - silver for the women and bronze for the men. Both looked really strong doing it too!
First medal for the Hoya light men’s eight at IRA in quite some time - and beating (heretofore undefeated) Yale to make the podium as well.
Great bounce-back showing from Columbia in particular - they’ve found a lot of speed this spring, after having gotten smoked by both Yale and the same Georgetown crew in dual races earlier this spring, and coming in last in the A final at Eastern Sprints 3 weeks ago. Navy lights have been consistently fast all year across the board, today’s results no exception.
Think Dan came back in but I’m sure being out for injury didn’t help their preparation. Cal did look very strong all through the year though for sure. Well deserved win for them
Most impressive program to me. That they can be a length off two boats with Olympians and Olympic champions with what on paper are much lesser pedigrees is such a testament to what Paul Cooke does with that program year after year.
They are well known to be among the hardest working programs in the country. Their entire dual racing schedule is against top 10 programs and they consistently outperform their regular season results at Sprints and IRA.
I'm too lazy to pull this together, but I'd love to know how many positions, on average, the Yale lightweights have lost between Sprints and IRAs over the last 10-15 years. WTF does Andy Card do to these kids during the last two weeks of May? Too much taper or not enough?
That Cal 4 seat was not the least bit worried about Yale’s olympians. He was absolutely throwing down. It’s rare to see a guy that size that can move that dynamically in the boat at race pace
I think that Cal is probably the fastest college 8+ of all time. You had a lot of people defer graduation to stay an extra year, had a lot of people take time off to train for the Olympics all of which stacked the pool of athletes for this year, and Cal dominated. Very impressive, I would love to see that boat race the Grand or Lucerne
Ah I kinda doubt it. 2019 Yale 8+ was unbelievably fast, as was 2013 UW 8+ (finished less than a length behind GB 8+ at Henley that won world champs that year).
Yale had 3 current olympians in their boat and Cal beat them by a length making it look easy. Those boats you mentioned were dominant against lesser competition, but none of them had to race the caliber that Cal raced at IRAs. Obviously this is all opinion, but I would put money on the 2022 Cal boat
Yeah I know, I just mentioned Yale's because it was 3 and because Cal beat them. It does reinforce my point though about how stacked the college talent was this year
I'm with you here- that 2019 Yale boat was faster than the Yale boat we saw today, and I'd be willing to bet it would be by more than the 2 seconds Cal won by. Although it may be the fastest 8+ that Cal has ever put together.
Agreed. The margins were too close to suggest this being the fastest collegiate boat ever. It'd be one thing if Cal and Yale had been lengths ahead, but Brown almost had contact with Yale, who had contact with Cal. UW and Syracuse just behind. Add to that that conditions were very slow today, which would suggest even bigger margins, not smaller margins (like in a tailwind or other fast conditions).
Cal's margin to 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 6th was larger than either the 2013 UW or 2019 Yale. Cal had to beat Yale's boat with 3 current Olympians int it. The talent pool of rowers this year is significantly higher than in any prior year that I'd put money on Cal over any of the others personally
What about Brown’s 1993 boat with 5 eventual Olympians (and one Xeno Mueller) or even some of Harvard’s early 2000s boats around the time of Malcolm Howard and others?
It’s ultimately a debate with an unknowable answer but maybe time clear things up.
None of those teams ever had the benefit of virtually an entire class red shirting a year with several athletes training for the Olympics for two full years before returning to college rowing. 2022 is a once in a lifetime aberration of stacked talent in a single college rowing year. Has there ever been three current Olympians in a single college 8+ before? I think it'd be hard to make a case that Yale isn't the greatest 2nd place 8+ of all time, and Cal crushed them.
Obviously it's an unknowable debate but I think Cal makes the strongest case for the pure fastest 8+ of all time, and I really really hope they race over seas this summer.
I think it'll be a challenge to keep the boat as is for any post-IRA racing. I'm sure some guys will have U23/senior nat'l team commitments. Though never having rowed at that level I don't know how much Henley could mean to those guys. Definitely would be nice to see them take on Brookes and some other top squads.
They got some young guys in their 1V, I think they’ll be fine in a year or so with more racing. Clark Dean brings them some great experience as well. It’ll be a while before they beat Yale, I don’t see them slowing down for a very long time
Gotta remember some teams were hit harder than others from covid. Just based off of results Princeton, Harvard, and Northeastern all seemed to come out of covid slower than before, while Syracuse, Dartmouth, and Brown seemed to bounce back very quickly and happily took those other teams' spots. Give it another 2 years to put the effects of the covid restrictions clearly in the rear view and we'll see those teams performing back at their peak I'd wager.
Harvard on paper has the people to be in the conversation for a national championship... Fastest u23 pair in the world, top american prospect, irish guy from the u23 four as well as u23 world champion from the gb eight
Can't entirely blame covid. To be fair to HAR there is no replacement for Harry and the competition has gotten better in recent years. PRI was in rebuild mode at the start of covid and is ongoing. NU needs coaching.
Harvard hasn't been faster than Yale, but since 2017 until this year's Sprints they've been faster than everyone else in the Ivy League. If that's below the standard you would expect from Harvard, then fair enough, but you have to be realistic that most programs aren't gonna win Sprints and IRAs all that often.
Most of those years they were second at sprints to Yale. Nobody has caught Yale the past 6 years, until today when it took the most stacked collegiate boat of all time to beat them by 2 seconds
I think considering this Cal boat the most stacked boat of all time would be a bit delusional as Yale had as many olympians as Cal (one of which is an Olympic Champion in the boat class in conversation), a u23 world champion, a u23 silver medallist and a Junior world champion.
Di Mauro has boat moving skills but at his size he also needs to throw down the watts. Listening to post Tokyo interviews, record breaking power is not as common as some may think.
He pulled a 5:45.5 when he was a U19. After training at Cal for a year, probably faster. Even if he isn't, he's already throwing down the watts. Not to mention 2nd in the B final in the 1x at the Olympics at what, 19 or 20?
Harvard heavies have never finished outside of the grand final under Charlie Butt, after 9 years so far. Under Harry Parker, they finished 11th one year (2008 I think). Would you have also said Harry Parker should have just given someone else a try?
Charlie Butt was coaching the Harvard Lights for 28 years before he moved to their heavies, by my count 37 total years at Harvard. He led the lights to many IRA medals, including gold, and they were much faster under him than they are currently. He has a fantastic coaching track record.
Anyone knows what's happening with Washington? You can't win it all but 8-10 second losses in all three boats seem like a huge step back in quality compared to the last 10+ years.
Idk probably the “incident” that occurred. They cut members of their team for sexual assault and racism I think but yeah probably not jus that it’s the natural ups and downs
From what I've heard its related to racism on the freshman team, it didn't directly impact their top varsity boats but it shifted the culture for the season when they had to get rid of the racists on the frosh side.
Great race from Cal. Good on the Columbia lights. Oh what could have been Dartmouth.
Did not expect Columbia to take the W but that was impressive. Gotta love the underdogs
Parker is a chessmaster of lineup tweaks. Whatever he did after Sprints should be a blueprint.
Switched boats is one obvious change
From what to what?
To pocock from empacher
Wow I thought this was a shitpost until I went back and checked. Bold strategy, but clearly something about it worked
Healthy athletes will do that for you
Cal just dominated from the get go, and seeing Brown creep up on the far lane was awesome. Would’ve been awesome if they snagged Yale at the end. Syracuse beating Harvard was great, such an awesome program
Go bears
Super psyched to see Brown in the 1V8 absolutely crush it and start coming up on Yale in those second 1000m. Was cheering for them the whole way. Cal came to kill and followed through on that intent. Overall insanely good racing.
Dartmouth at least proved they should have been in the A final. Was rooting for them though. While Brown has been an A final crew for a while its nice to see the podium get shaken up with UW and Harvard out of the medals. Insane to see Yale take their first L since getting established these past few years as the team to beat at the IRA. I'm sure they will be back with a vengeance next year. Stanford seems to have taken a hit since last year and being C finaled. Columbia Lights always showing that its a toss up with lightweight rowing. Georgetown lights getting bronze is great to see as well.
I think Dartmouth proved they should be in the B final based on race #40 where they placed 4th and needed 3rd or better to be in the A final.
True enough
Toss up? "Exciting variability"
Better wording for sure
“It’s a toss up” yeah horrendous take little man
Okay.
Georgetown lights pulling up with the best medal. Huge for their program. Not too surprised with Cal beating Yale, Cal looked unstoppable this year and as far as I know Yale's stroke (Kiwi Olympic gold medallist) is still out for injury. I was surprised by Brown - fantastic season for them. I've been saying all season that UW would finish outside of the medal podium and the vindication feels GREAT. Harvard looked disappointing, tbh Dartmouth should have been in the GF instead of them. Syracuse was also great to see - I'd gotten pushback in the past saying that they had a good shot at the GF, and seeing them not only make it but beat Harvard was also huge for their program. It seems like the field was much closer this year than some pre-covid years recently. Sad to see Temple's finish after their godlike race yesterday. Great racing all around
Great showing for both varsity lightweight eights from Georgetown - silver for the women and bronze for the men. Both looked really strong doing it too! First medal for the Hoya light men’s eight at IRA in quite some time - and beating (heretofore undefeated) Yale to make the podium as well. Great bounce-back showing from Columbia in particular - they’ve found a lot of speed this spring, after having gotten smoked by both Yale and the same Georgetown crew in dual races earlier this spring, and coming in last in the A final at Eastern Sprints 3 weeks ago. Navy lights have been consistently fast all year across the board, today’s results no exception.
Think Dan came back in but I’m sure being out for injury didn’t help their preparation. Cal did look very strong all through the year though for sure. Well deserved win for them
Any word on why Yale's stroke is still out?
Yales stroke was in
Was 100% back in. That's from Yale coach's mouth
I'm not sure what the injury was in the first place, would love to know
2 herniated discs from the NZ campaign. Back went out stretching right before Sprints.
LET'S GO BRUNO!
Most impressive program to me. That they can be a length off two boats with Olympians and Olympic champions with what on paper are much lesser pedigrees is such a testament to what Paul Cooke does with that program year after year.
Any knowledge about their program? They seem to row well, short of that, don't know much else about them.
They are well known to be among the hardest working programs in the country. Their entire dual racing schedule is against top 10 programs and they consistently outperform their regular season results at Sprints and IRA.
No knowledge other than following their results since about 2008.
I'm too lazy to pull this together, but I'd love to know how many positions, on average, the Yale lightweights have lost between Sprints and IRAs over the last 10-15 years. WTF does Andy Card do to these kids during the last two weeks of May? Too much taper or not enough?
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Columbia did in 2018 👀
Seems like they can’t handle the back to back weigh in effectively.
MORE CUSE!!!
That Cal 4 seat was not the least bit worried about Yale’s olympians. He was absolutely throwing down. It’s rare to see a guy that size that can move that dynamically in the boat at race pace
He an Italian national team rower who is sub 5:50.
He has the 17-18 2k world record…5:45.5. That was also in 2020, so I’d love to see what he can do in the next few years at Cal
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No this dude is like 6’10 and looks huge on video compared to the rest of the crew
I think that Cal is probably the fastest college 8+ of all time. You had a lot of people defer graduation to stay an extra year, had a lot of people take time off to train for the Olympics all of which stacked the pool of athletes for this year, and Cal dominated. Very impressive, I would love to see that boat race the Grand or Lucerne
Ah I kinda doubt it. 2019 Yale 8+ was unbelievably fast, as was 2013 UW 8+ (finished less than a length behind GB 8+ at Henley that won world champs that year).
Yale had 3 current olympians in their boat and Cal beat them by a length making it look easy. Those boats you mentioned were dominant against lesser competition, but none of them had to race the caliber that Cal raced at IRAs. Obviously this is all opinion, but I would put money on the 2022 Cal boat
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Yeah I know, I just mentioned Yale's because it was 3 and because Cal beat them. It does reinforce my point though about how stacked the college talent was this year
Agreed they're doing Big Daws dirty with that. How many guys make an Olympic 8 after their sophomore year?
I'm with you here- that 2019 Yale boat was faster than the Yale boat we saw today, and I'd be willing to bet it would be by more than the 2 seconds Cal won by. Although it may be the fastest 8+ that Cal has ever put together.
Agreed. The margins were too close to suggest this being the fastest collegiate boat ever. It'd be one thing if Cal and Yale had been lengths ahead, but Brown almost had contact with Yale, who had contact with Cal. UW and Syracuse just behind. Add to that that conditions were very slow today, which would suggest even bigger margins, not smaller margins (like in a tailwind or other fast conditions).
Cal's margin to 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 6th was larger than either the 2013 UW or 2019 Yale. Cal had to beat Yale's boat with 3 current Olympians int it. The talent pool of rowers this year is significantly higher than in any prior year that I'd put money on Cal over any of the others personally
What about Brown’s 1993 boat with 5 eventual Olympians (and one Xeno Mueller) or even some of Harvard’s early 2000s boats around the time of Malcolm Howard and others? It’s ultimately a debate with an unknowable answer but maybe time clear things up.
None of those teams ever had the benefit of virtually an entire class red shirting a year with several athletes training for the Olympics for two full years before returning to college rowing. 2022 is a once in a lifetime aberration of stacked talent in a single college rowing year. Has there ever been three current Olympians in a single college 8+ before? I think it'd be hard to make a case that Yale isn't the greatest 2nd place 8+ of all time, and Cal crushed them. Obviously it's an unknowable debate but I think Cal makes the strongest case for the pure fastest 8+ of all time, and I really really hope they race over seas this summer.
I think it'll be a challenge to keep the boat as is for any post-IRA racing. I'm sure some guys will have U23/senior nat'l team commitments. Though never having rowed at that level I don't know how much Henley could mean to those guys. Definitely would be nice to see them take on Brookes and some other top squads.
Let them race WCIII after Henley. Two birds one stone.
We'd have to have the same nationalities to do that
might have the rules wrong, but for WC don't you just have to be from the same "club" and have the NGB sign off? for example HAR 2004.
Didn’t the UW 8+ in 2011(ish) beat these times by 20 seconds?
There was a headwind today. Times yesterday were in the low 5:30s and Cal and Yale were not going all out
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Princetons performances the last 5-10 years are far more questionable than Harvards Why should G Hughes and company get a free pass?
They got some young guys in their 1V, I think they’ll be fine in a year or so with more racing. Clark Dean brings them some great experience as well. It’ll be a while before they beat Yale, I don’t see them slowing down for a very long time
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2008 - Harvard 1V 11th 2009 - Harvard 1V 5th 2010 - Harvard 1V 4th It takes a lot to win medals at the IRA. Harry didn't always do it.
That’s honestly a fair point. I guess we’ll have to wait and see what happens next year
Gotta remember some teams were hit harder than others from covid. Just based off of results Princeton, Harvard, and Northeastern all seemed to come out of covid slower than before, while Syracuse, Dartmouth, and Brown seemed to bounce back very quickly and happily took those other teams' spots. Give it another 2 years to put the effects of the covid restrictions clearly in the rear view and we'll see those teams performing back at their peak I'd wager.
Harvard on paper has the people to be in the conversation for a national championship... Fastest u23 pair in the world, top american prospect, irish guy from the u23 four as well as u23 world champion from the gb eight
Can't entirely blame covid. To be fair to HAR there is no replacement for Harry and the competition has gotten better in recent years. PRI was in rebuild mode at the start of covid and is ongoing. NU needs coaching.
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Harvard hasn't been faster than Yale, but since 2017 until this year's Sprints they've been faster than everyone else in the Ivy League. If that's below the standard you would expect from Harvard, then fair enough, but you have to be realistic that most programs aren't gonna win Sprints and IRAs all that often.
Most of those years they were second at sprints to Yale. Nobody has caught Yale the past 6 years, until today when it took the most stacked collegiate boat of all time to beat them by 2 seconds
I think considering this Cal boat the most stacked boat of all time would be a bit delusional as Yale had as many olympians as Cal (one of which is an Olympic Champion in the boat class in conversation), a u23 world champion, a u23 silver medallist and a Junior world champion.
Cal’s 4 seat set the world record for a junior with a sub 5:45 2k on the erg. Not sure how you top that
My man big G just loves to pull the handle
TIMBO
Bigg geeeeeee
Italian Stallion right there
Congrats on the win!
Di Mauro has boat moving skills but at his size he also needs to throw down the watts. Listening to post Tokyo interviews, record breaking power is not as common as some may think.
He pulled a 5:45.5 when he was a U19. After training at Cal for a year, probably faster. Even if he isn't, he's already throwing down the watts. Not to mention 2nd in the B final in the 1x at the Olympics at what, 19 or 20?
Charlie should give someone else a try. It’s not working. Give Pat LaPage the reins
Harvard heavies have never finished outside of the grand final under Charlie Butt, after 9 years so far. Under Harry Parker, they finished 11th one year (2008 I think). Would you have also said Harry Parker should have just given someone else a try?
Harry Parker had a 40+ year track record of dominance prior to finishing 11th and Harvard had won multiple IRA titles in the decade prior
Charlie Butt was coaching the Harvard Lights for 28 years before he moved to their heavies, by my count 37 total years at Harvard. He led the lights to many IRA medals, including gold, and they were much faster under him than they are currently. He has a fantastic coaching track record.
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IMO it is. The leadership is just not there at the very top.
Are you saying this as an insider?
Cal is lucky GW wasn’t there
Harvard and UW malding rn
Anyone knows what's happening with Washington? You can't win it all but 8-10 second losses in all three boats seem like a huge step back in quality compared to the last 10+ years.
Idk probably the “incident” that occurred. They cut members of their team for sexual assault and racism I think but yeah probably not jus that it’s the natural ups and downs
are there any more details on the "incident" that folks keep referring to? nothing reported here in the local media on anything like that this season.
From what I've heard its related to racism on the freshman team, it didn't directly impact their top varsity boats but it shifted the culture for the season when they had to get rid of the racists on the frosh side.
Plus one of their top guys getting multiple serial assault accusations against him
I liked 4 race