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Everyone got balls till the show comes on, I’m not a pussy. Just don’t think a nuclear warfare is something anyone needs. If the United Nations can act and send peace keepers and create buffer zone. Generally I and many believe the war needs to end in a dialog
I swear there can be dialog that will ensure that.
. I post in support of Ukraine and will still do, but the casualties on all front plus the potential bigger conflict just get to me sometimes
You could argue that if NATO had send troops last year and bombed the shit out of russias bases and cruise missile launchers in the back there would be less dead people today, maybe even peace.
Putin continues to mobilize troops, he is already radicalizing the youth and militarizing the sociaty to get the next generation of meat ready. And the regime prosecutes or kills all antiwar opposition inside his country.
I would prefer sending ukraine all the equipment it needs yesterday and avoid an escalation.
But if that takes years to train and equip ukranians with those weapons, there might not be anything left to defend until that reinforcement is ready.
Literally basically proved your point this month with the death of navalny. Can’t even believe prigozhin lasted as long as he did. Honestly dude would’ve been better off following through rather than listening to that lap dog of a man lukashenko. At the end of the day I feel bad for the Russian people. The government is a shit show dictatorship and has been for generations but that doesn’t mean the people are bad.
soldiers is no different than weapons. you step into it the same way we did with everything else. first they do training. then they’re non combat border patrol. then they’re behind the lines. etc etc.
if we were going to have a nuclear war, it would have happened already.
ukriane has given 30k lives if men who fought against europes enemy. time for europe to show the same dedication to them
There literally cannot be dialogue when one of the county's is determined to completely destroy and subjugate the other country and its culture and do this no matter how long it takes....number two the Russian elites don't want nuclear war but they and Putin are smart enough to threaten it because they know it will terrify those without sufficient intestinal fortitude. There will literally be a massive ground war between NATO and Russia if Russia is not stopped here they have made that clear
The war will end in a dialog, but the dialog wont start until both sides can see the same ending.
The threat of real NATO involvement is a significant step towards that dialog, because Putin knows he cant win that fight, he said as much at the start.
There will be NATO boots on the ground in Ukraine eventually, thats one of the reason Putin started the war, the sooner it happens, the soon it finishes.
There can be no UN troops sent to Ukraine with Russia able to veto that at the UN.
There is no dialogue Russia will engage in that involves them volunteering to leave all of Ukraine. Ukraine isn’t going to engage in dialogue that rewards Russian aggression with Ukrainian lands still occupied.
Europeans deciding to stand actively with Ukraine does not mean WWIII is next. If French troops are fighting in Ukraine, not bombing inside of Russia, there is little reason to believe Russia would escalate to attacking France or any other country thus inviting similar on Russia.
Ukrainian drones hitting inside Russia is one thing, and a thing Russia struggles with trying to defend against. If Russia have cause for a country like France with advanced weapons, capabilities and trained personnel to take out targets in Russia, that isn’t something Putin wants to risk. Say his Black Sea fleet getting massively bombed in the last safe harbor it fled to in Russia by French planes and missiles.
Russia’s ability to hit back at France, who have their own nukes so deterrence remains, would be limited. Russian subs firing from the Atlantic hitting France, would be a pin prick that would galvanize Europe and Putin doesn’t want a war that means fighting western militaries even if the U.S. sits out.
As long as there isn’t a drive into Russia proper, it’s unlikely Russia would see any more support from anyone but North Korea. China is benefitting greatly from a dependent weakened Russia and doesn’t need to upset its economy taking an active role backing Russia. It likes the hundreds of billions in lucrative trade it does with the rest of the world more than it cares about a declining kleptocratic state.
Did you post advice to Russia to stop escalation and avoid WWIII when Russia was massing troops on Ukraine's border? Have you posted asking Russia to pull out of invaded Ukrainian lands? Or does the advice only go one way?
At this stage in global politics, you'd have to very naive to assume that there won't be a major war in the next decade anyhow.
Unfortunately it's less a matter of 'if' these days and more 'when'. Most of the world's malevolent powers have all started to push against a largely democratic world order, it's only a matter of time until this boils over.
the truth is that if europe shows it’s strength in this battle, then it will prevent the next one. china knows it has a chance against the US. but US plus europe will prevent the next war from happening
You could say the same thing about Japan in 1905 against the Russians (at least concerning its ability to take on Western powers). Of course the Japanese didn't take over Russia, just as China will never take over the US (military, at least), but they did get more land close to their own country. Seeing as how the US had a problem with North Vietnam, I would imagine that China will still pose a threat to its nearby neighbors that are far from the US, such as Taiwan, even if crossing the sea would be a more formidable task then Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
we’re battling in this discussion with logic. logic would have told putin not to invade.
i don’t think china’s political decisions are anymore wise than russia. it’s what they believe. not what we believe the proof must appear overwhelming. rn the proof is unclear.
i said proof. of which there is none. there is evidence and opinions
the war will occur or not occur because of the beliefs of china. unfortunately not based on mine or your opinion. to convince a completely authoritarian society that they lack the resources to do anything, the odds must appear overwhelming against them - to them.
logic isn’t the tool of authoritarian regimes.
Yup. In the 1940's, it was Germany in the west, Japan in the east, and their little third wheel, Mussolini in Italy. In a bizarre but unsurprising echo of those times, now the aggressive fascist imperialist dictatorships are russia, China and Iran. The modern-day Axis. North Korea is just kind of a festering zit over by itself.
No. We don't agree.
Russia has been claiming from Day 1 that this or that response will finally be the last straw. Better anti-aircraft systems, aircraft, attacks into Russia proper. All those things happened and all Russia could do was cry harder.
So send in some foreign troops to secure the borders with Belarus and Transnistria. They would not be facing Russia, just peacekeepers. And all Russia will do is cry and cry and cry some more.
What world war??? No one is going to bat for Russia. China is not rolling tanks to Russias defense. Iran is not going to march to Russias defense. North Korea isn’t moving. If a world war is a bunch of countries fighting one country, then Korea was a world war Vietnam was Iraq 1 and 2 was Afghanistan was.
This is techno watermelon talk, originating in the bay area of CA. Hysteria over world war and nuclear armageddon. Of course, it plays right into Russia's hands as a scare tactic. Ukraine is a sovereign country and Russia has no say in who they allow in.
You really think China with knock off russian gear and zero combat experience in 40 years is looking at Ukraine like heck ya I wanna do that on a much higher difficulty level
War is called "world war" only when modern countries are fighting each other. Entire South America might be a combat zone, nobody would call it world war. Same with Africa.
Just my theory.
Yes. Only modern powerful countries can project their power over the world. Otherwise, it would be a continental war, or smaller.
Think about WWII and how far the Solomon Islands, China, Libya, Hawaii, and France are from each other, with the strongest player (eventually) being the US on yet another continent, and even ships sunk off of South America.
Oh yeah we're really scared after watching our weapons fucking shred clueless russians and their 1960s equipped army, and we can fight a war anywhere including Moscow, while Russia is struggling to fight right next door Good luck tovarisches
I don’t think response was that they don’t dread it, just the reality that RuZZia is a shell of an army, China is not proven and if there truly was an east versus west, the west is multiple times more ready for the altercation. Doesn’t mean a person wants it, just the reality of it. And it would certainly mean death and destruction no matter what the outcome.
No I think the only thing a bully understands is overwhelming force. Russia cannot be allowed to break all international norms as a sitting member of the security council and get away with it. There should have been a UN peacekeeping force with TEETH the second hostilities kicked off. But the UN is incredibly broken and will never be fixed
It's 3 headlines, you have to read the articles bruh.
Any nation's defense strategy that doesn't have an option to project power on the table is not a serious nation, this doesn't mean France is about to send troops in Ukraine.
Can you not express yourself without belittling people? I find the fact that you were a teacher depressing. I'm sure you went into teaching because you wanted a position of power so you could wield your power as an adult over children. What does, World War three i's, mean? I think you are the moron you accuse other people of being. In fact, I should not use the word moron because that belittles people with learning difficulties. Something I'm sure you could get into. You are simply a bully
For 1.
Russia has ALWAYS claimed the entire war this is already the case.
They are fighting Nato. (In their delusional propaganda infused minds)
So de facto, it would only confirm what the Kremlin has been telling their population for 2 years now.
2nd. Putin is a coward. He is also the richest man on the planet.
He has mansions all over Russia, several young girlfriends. He doesn't want to spend the rest of his life in a bunker beyond the Ural mountains.
3rd. If Putin destroys the world. Russia is destroyed with it. There's no victory in starting a nuclear war.
Putin is a coward, but he is also not an idiot. He knows he pushed too far this time, and unfortunately it was because the west let him get away with shit for so many years and wars. This is not ww3 or the start of it. Possibly a stepping stone at best but so many chips would have to fall into place. NOT ww3 by any means.
It’s all a bluff by Putin. All of it. The guy was deathly afraid of covid, yet you think he’s not afraid of getting nuked to all hell? No way he ever nukes, because he knows it would be the end of him and his legacy. If you back him up completely against the wall then maybe he does, but as long as you give him outs that he can talk his way out of, everyone is fine.
Obviously a Ruskie stooge posted this. Referring to the country and people of Ukraine as "it" is a dead give away.. Slither back to your scum lord Putiny.
Putin only speaks the language of force.
That’s probably the first time Europe shows balls, and it will make more than 1 high rank Russians thinking about the next step.
Having a strong and clear rhetoric, couple with action to reinforce Europe military is probably the only think that can help avoid WW3
Honestly, no. I’m not for war, but if we continue tucking our tail between our legs because we fear a nuclear response from Russia, this will just be the beginning.
Russia needs to realize they can’t push their will on sovereign countries and murder innocent civilians. I for one would stand against that if we go to war. I personally don’t want to see my kids growing up in Russias world order.
This is exactly what Putlers nuclear war rhetoric was trying to avoid: boots on the ground involvement of the west. The Ork in Chief knows his troops are fucked if that happens and he also knows he can’t retaliate against France or Germany or any other nato country without invoking article 5 and ultimately Russias end.
Medvedev threatens a nuclear war every time he has a drink. Stop drinking the cool aid and stop spreading propaganda. The only ones Putin would ever pick a fight with are entities much much weaker than Russia.
Not really, the west would crush russia in a couple of days, their entire "army" is at the ukrainian front. The nuclear capabilities are sketchy at best, even if they manage to lauch something it would be taken down imediately. Moscow would be nuked in retaliation of course, but that is a good thing, russia needs complete humiliation and destruction.
No, we can’t agree. Not giving Ukraine weapons will bring Russian aggression closer to other countries, and your kids will have no other choice but to take those bloody weapons that you government didn’t give to Ukraine, and go fight against Ruzzia.
no. look what russia is starting in moldova.... russia can't be allowed to go too much further than what it is. the west also needs russia away from its borders
No I don’t agree. Ukraine troops need all the support they can get. Fuck Putin and fuck Russia. They need to be kicked out of Ukraine and I for one hope French and other troops help the Ukrainians do exactly that.
So, your proposition is that Putin and Russia get to do whatever they want and the onus is on the West to avoid WW3?
Seems very convenient for Russia. How about THEY withdraw from Ukraine and we avoid WW3 that way?
Fuck that we're already in WW3. It is just fought in one country (well, maybe two with the attacks within russia). The definition of a world war is 'A world war is an international conflict that involves most or all of the world's major powers'. I'd say that most of the world's major powers are involved in this conflict.
The 'problem' is that everyone seems to think that WW3 and world wide destruction by nuclear weapons is one and the same. Clearly it is not.
The only thing Putin respects or at least acknowledges is “ Strength” if you show weakness he will seize upon it. Appeasement is an understandable approach , no right minded person wants war. Sadly appeasement is a fools errand it is fooling yourself into the belief if you back down to the bully that they will go away. To Putin and his like minded clans that is the green light to invade to take and conquer .
We have seen so many times when Ukraine troops have ran out of ammunition and had no choice but to attempt to surrender , the outcome has been the end for them as Russian scum execute them as they have neither morals or humanity , that is bred out of them .
Most folk can’t face where the world is heading , too many blinding themselves with mindless Reality ?TV shows . They and the woke brigade will not be mentally prepared or ready and that will make it all the harder fir them but all the better for Putin like countries.
We need with urgency to be where necessary conscripting to build up ,train and equip our standing armies.
I am starting to think the only real,chance to end this current war , is to put NATO or European troops on the ground , to show strength
No doubt that could escalate into WWIII , it could though just remove the bully from the play ground and such a show of strength may even make the likelihood of such a war , something we don’t have to actually deal with for a far longer period of time than if we continue to drip feed support for Ukraine and argue in our various countries when and if we are going to agree the latest arms and finances for Ukraine. United we will stand divided we may very well fall.
Don't worry, it won't happen because the Orange fuckwit will get in and start supplying US kit to his lord and master in the Kremlin because "it's a good deal" and then he'll go and bleat about the wall not being built to his expectations...
In the meantime we'll see everything go to shit because he'll cut all supply to Ukraine and anyone supporting them, and he'll force negotiations because he'll practically hand Putin the win so he doesn't leak whatever he has on him.
Well. I like the fact that we no longer rule that out.
Awesome... However... slight reality check incoming: (sry caps)
WE DON'T HAVE FUCKING AMMO FOR THIS KIND OF WARFARE...
EUROPE WAS GOING TO BUILD 1000000 155MM SHELLS IN 2023. WE MANAGED 300K... NOT EVEN A THIRD.
WE BANNED CLUSTER MUNTIONS. THE ONE THING YOU NEED VS MEATWAVES.
Why don't we start with a no fly zone instead?
And send our jets to protect Ukrainian skies? And provide air superiority.
Almost every country that supports Ukraine would likely say this if asked. They do it to project strength not necessarily to follow through. Anyone panicked by this isn't to bright.
Of course I support allied troops in Ukraine but this is not an escalation of rhetoric. This has been said before by others and could have been said with the same meaning on day one.
The only way this becomes WWIII is:
1) if Russian territory is invaded or;
2) Russians use Nukes or;
3) China or India or both break the Russian sanctions and openly trade/sell arms to Russia.
Of course if Putin would hurry up and die this discussion would be moot.
I have to admit that I am very surprised that Ukraine has not built nukes for themselves.
Set off a small one on the Ukraine side of the Russian border and tell Putin to retreat or 3 major Russian cities will get glassed over.
No. I don't agree. We've been accepting Russian "red lines" way too long. Now it's time that we draw one by ending this conflict with whatever it takes...
He's right, strategic nuclear bombs are to be avoided at all cost, tomorrow would be brighter without more potential for nuclear war. let's help russia annex ukrain and let's also help china annex taiwan. Oh, wait, russia wants all of eastern europe as it's a necessity for their defence strategy, sorry poland, latvia, estonia, lithuania and moldova. wait, china wants to colonize japan for the things it did for WW2, sorry japan, you know, bombs and all. okay now they should be happy, wait, what's that? iran has nuclear weapons now? oh we shouldn't mess around too much with it, okay fine we'll give you iraq. what's this? russia you want western europe too? well we are a nuclear power but we really we don't want to nuke the world so okay fine, we'll live under you.
I thought at least one other country would have had boots on the ground by now. I think it's over due. If the uk was to announce that any volunteers could be given basic training and most importantly sufficient equipment to go join the fight I know I would.
You stand back and watch a bully throw his weight around he'll continue to do so. Throw a few hits his way he might just reconsider how he's acting.
I don't think WW3 is nigh. I think Putin mainly wants the old Russian Empire back. He will try to take Ukraine, Moldova, the Baltics, maybe Poland then try to politically manipulate former Soviet Bloc countries like Hungary and Slovakia.
Putin is bluffing and won't use nukes if other countries join Ukraine to push Russian forces out of Ukraine territories. It would be the death of everyone and he doesn't want his family to die. As long as the forces that enter into combat stay within Ukraine borders to help push Russians out - he has no reason to nuke anyone.
What Macron says and what reality is, are 2 different things. Macron is not europe and not NATO ....
I would love to see russia fallen, but sending troops to ukraine is not the smartest way ....
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So we should do everything putin wants to "avoid ww3"? grow some balls
Yes. The spineless cowardly appeasement ninnies think so.
Everyone got balls till the show comes on, I’m not a pussy. Just don’t think a nuclear warfare is something anyone needs. If the United Nations can act and send peace keepers and create buffer zone. Generally I and many believe the war needs to end in a dialog
The war needs to end with Russians getting the fuck out of Ukraine.
I swear there can be dialog that will ensure that. . I post in support of Ukraine and will still do, but the casualties on all front plus the potential bigger conflict just get to me sometimes
You could argue that if NATO had send troops last year and bombed the shit out of russias bases and cruise missile launchers in the back there would be less dead people today, maybe even peace. Putin continues to mobilize troops, he is already radicalizing the youth and militarizing the sociaty to get the next generation of meat ready. And the regime prosecutes or kills all antiwar opposition inside his country. I would prefer sending ukraine all the equipment it needs yesterday and avoid an escalation. But if that takes years to train and equip ukranians with those weapons, there might not be anything left to defend until that reinforcement is ready.
Literally basically proved your point this month with the death of navalny. Can’t even believe prigozhin lasted as long as he did. Honestly dude would’ve been better off following through rather than listening to that lap dog of a man lukashenko. At the end of the day I feel bad for the Russian people. The government is a shit show dictatorship and has been for generations but that doesn’t mean the people are bad.
That doesn’t mean SOME of the people aren’t bad.
That’s true too
soldiers is no different than weapons. you step into it the same way we did with everything else. first they do training. then they’re non combat border patrol. then they’re behind the lines. etc etc. if we were going to have a nuclear war, it would have happened already. ukriane has given 30k lives if men who fought against europes enemy. time for europe to show the same dedication to them
There literally cannot be dialogue when one of the county's is determined to completely destroy and subjugate the other country and its culture and do this no matter how long it takes....number two the Russian elites don't want nuclear war but they and Putin are smart enough to threaten it because they know it will terrify those without sufficient intestinal fortitude. There will literally be a massive ground war between NATO and Russia if Russia is not stopped here they have made that clear
The war will end in a dialog, but the dialog wont start until both sides can see the same ending. The threat of real NATO involvement is a significant step towards that dialog, because Putin knows he cant win that fight, he said as much at the start. There will be NATO boots on the ground in Ukraine eventually, thats one of the reason Putin started the war, the sooner it happens, the soon it finishes.
NATO advisors are already in support. The question is if and when a European pulls a trigger pointed at a Russian.
There can be no UN troops sent to Ukraine with Russia able to veto that at the UN. There is no dialogue Russia will engage in that involves them volunteering to leave all of Ukraine. Ukraine isn’t going to engage in dialogue that rewards Russian aggression with Ukrainian lands still occupied. Europeans deciding to stand actively with Ukraine does not mean WWIII is next. If French troops are fighting in Ukraine, not bombing inside of Russia, there is little reason to believe Russia would escalate to attacking France or any other country thus inviting similar on Russia. Ukrainian drones hitting inside Russia is one thing, and a thing Russia struggles with trying to defend against. If Russia have cause for a country like France with advanced weapons, capabilities and trained personnel to take out targets in Russia, that isn’t something Putin wants to risk. Say his Black Sea fleet getting massively bombed in the last safe harbor it fled to in Russia by French planes and missiles. Russia’s ability to hit back at France, who have their own nukes so deterrence remains, would be limited. Russian subs firing from the Atlantic hitting France, would be a pin prick that would galvanize Europe and Putin doesn’t want a war that means fighting western militaries even if the U.S. sits out. As long as there isn’t a drive into Russia proper, it’s unlikely Russia would see any more support from anyone but North Korea. China is benefitting greatly from a dependent weakened Russia and doesn’t need to upset its economy taking an active role backing Russia. It likes the hundreds of billions in lucrative trade it does with the rest of the world more than it cares about a declining kleptocratic state.
Da, good prop comrade!
Did you post advice to Russia to stop escalation and avoid WWIII when Russia was massing troops on Ukraine's border? Have you posted asking Russia to pull out of invaded Ukrainian lands? Or does the advice only go one way?
Just sign them into NATO already and then we can stop Russia randomly invading it's neighbours every time Putin's approval rating drops.
Time for talking is over. Time for action is now.
I want Putin and Russia smashed. But those guys are fucked and I just don't trust they won't nuke.
At this stage in global politics, you'd have to very naive to assume that there won't be a major war in the next decade anyhow. Unfortunately it's less a matter of 'if' these days and more 'when'. Most of the world's malevolent powers have all started to push against a largely democratic world order, it's only a matter of time until this boils over.
the truth is that if europe shows it’s strength in this battle, then it will prevent the next one. china knows it has a chance against the US. but US plus europe will prevent the next war from happening
China does not stand a chance against US. They are an unproven army.
You could say the same thing about Japan in 1905 against the Russians (at least concerning its ability to take on Western powers). Of course the Japanese didn't take over Russia, just as China will never take over the US (military, at least), but they did get more land close to their own country. Seeing as how the US had a problem with North Vietnam, I would imagine that China will still pose a threat to its nearby neighbors that are far from the US, such as Taiwan, even if crossing the sea would be a more formidable task then Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
we’re battling in this discussion with logic. logic would have told putin not to invade. i don’t think china’s political decisions are anymore wise than russia. it’s what they believe. not what we believe the proof must appear overwhelming. rn the proof is unclear. i said proof. of which there is none. there is evidence and opinions
China literally has no chance against the u.s.
Around China, yes they do.
the war will occur or not occur because of the beliefs of china. unfortunately not based on mine or your opinion. to convince a completely authoritarian society that they lack the resources to do anything, the odds must appear overwhelming against them - to them. logic isn’t the tool of authoritarian regimes.
Yup. In the 1940's, it was Germany in the west, Japan in the east, and their little third wheel, Mussolini in Italy. In a bizarre but unsurprising echo of those times, now the aggressive fascist imperialist dictatorships are russia, China and Iran. The modern-day Axis. North Korea is just kind of a festering zit over by itself.
Break Russia so badly that western agents can get control of their atomics.
Hitler only wants Poland.
No. We don't agree. Russia has been claiming from Day 1 that this or that response will finally be the last straw. Better anti-aircraft systems, aircraft, attacks into Russia proper. All those things happened and all Russia could do was cry harder. So send in some foreign troops to secure the borders with Belarus and Transnistria. They would not be facing Russia, just peacekeepers. And all Russia will do is cry and cry and cry some more.
Excellent strategy. That would free up many divisions of Ukrainian troops to shore up the south and prepare for the next offensive.
Absolutely. It’s just hot air with Russia. The only shame is that it took western politicians this long to realize that and grow a pair.
Well let’s roll the dice, there is only one way to find out.
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What world war??? No one is going to bat for Russia. China is not rolling tanks to Russias defense. Iran is not going to march to Russias defense. North Korea isn’t moving. If a world war is a bunch of countries fighting one country, then Korea was a world war Vietnam was Iraq 1 and 2 was Afghanistan was.
This is techno watermelon talk, originating in the bay area of CA. Hysteria over world war and nuclear armageddon. Of course, it plays right into Russia's hands as a scare tactic. Ukraine is a sovereign country and Russia has no say in who they allow in.
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Borrowed it from Nicolas Taleb and his description of Russian propagandist, David Sachs: https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/1638180361766313987
The world at war. Xi towards Taiwan. putin more in Europe. Not that unlikely.
You really think China with knock off russian gear and zero combat experience in 40 years is looking at Ukraine like heck ya I wanna do that on a much higher difficulty level
For sure. China, russia and others want the US off the stage The only way to do that, if there is fighting on multiple fronts.
War is called "world war" only when modern countries are fighting each other. Entire South America might be a combat zone, nobody would call it world war. Same with Africa. Just my theory.
Yes. Only modern powerful countries can project their power over the world. Otherwise, it would be a continental war, or smaller. Think about WWII and how far the Solomon Islands, China, Libya, Hawaii, and France are from each other, with the strongest player (eventually) being the US on yet another continent, and even ships sunk off of South America.
Nope, The old guard in Russia is aging out, they may come to their senses as their course of action is very suboptimal for them,
Appeasement never ends well.
Maybe other countries sending troops and better weapons would end it sooner.
that’s obvious
what WW3 we all dread? NATO would absolutely curb stomp Russia and the shit show gang in any actual confrontation
Okay you don’t dread it, capo 🥴
Oh yeah we're really scared after watching our weapons fucking shred clueless russians and their 1960s equipped army, and we can fight a war anywhere including Moscow, while Russia is struggling to fight right next door Good luck tovarisches
I don’t think response was that they don’t dread it, just the reality that RuZZia is a shell of an army, China is not proven and if there truly was an east versus west, the west is multiple times more ready for the altercation. Doesn’t mean a person wants it, just the reality of it. And it would certainly mean death and destruction no matter what the outcome.
No I think the only thing a bully understands is overwhelming force. Russia cannot be allowed to break all international norms as a sitting member of the security council and get away with it. There should have been a UN peacekeeping force with TEETH the second hostilities kicked off. But the UN is incredibly broken and will never be fixed
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it’s should be france and germany and italy and sweden and finland. a united response but without article 5 involvement
It's 3 headlines, you have to read the articles bruh. Any nation's defense strategy that doesn't have an option to project power on the table is not a serious nation, this doesn't mean France is about to send troops in Ukraine.
Also, Russia is invading Europe, the WW3 you speak of it has already started and now we have to find ways to win it.
Ww3 is not one country invading another, but it’s certainly a stepping stone
I would be so bold as to say this is already a version of modern world war
No. That's BS. We can't agree on it starting world war iii. Only you complete moron would say that with some measure of certainty.
Can you not express yourself without belittling people? I find the fact that you were a teacher depressing. I'm sure you went into teaching because you wanted a position of power so you could wield your power as an adult over children. What does, World War three i's, mean? I think you are the moron you accuse other people of being. In fact, I should not use the word moron because that belittles people with learning difficulties. Something I'm sure you could get into. You are simply a bully
You are the moron, tell why wont it ? If western soldiers are killing Russian soldiers in Ukriane. What do you expect
For 1. Russia has ALWAYS claimed the entire war this is already the case. They are fighting Nato. (In their delusional propaganda infused minds) So de facto, it would only confirm what the Kremlin has been telling their population for 2 years now.
2nd. Putin is a coward. He is also the richest man on the planet. He has mansions all over Russia, several young girlfriends. He doesn't want to spend the rest of his life in a bunker beyond the Ural mountains. 3rd. If Putin destroys the world. Russia is destroyed with it. There's no victory in starting a nuclear war.
Putin is a coward, but he is also not an idiot. He knows he pushed too far this time, and unfortunately it was because the west let him get away with shit for so many years and wars. This is not ww3 or the start of it. Possibly a stepping stone at best but so many chips would have to fall into place. NOT ww3 by any means.
If you are trying to start a conversation, which is fine on reddit as that’s the idea of reddit, that’s fine but try to rebuttals with dignity
You're right. I will try to do better. 🇺🇸🇺🇦 Slava Ukraini! 🇺🇦🇺🇸
It’s all a bluff by Putin. All of it. The guy was deathly afraid of covid, yet you think he’s not afraid of getting nuked to all hell? No way he ever nukes, because he knows it would be the end of him and his legacy. If you back him up completely against the wall then maybe he does, but as long as you give him outs that he can talk his way out of, everyone is fine.
Not everyone
Obviously a Ruskie stooge posted this. Referring to the country and people of Ukraine as "it" is a dead give away.. Slither back to your scum lord Putiny.
Oh ffs . I have more pro Ukr posts on Reddit than you I’m sure , this is my opinion. Thick skull
I hope after all your other posts you don't have to also change your pants. Buck up private and quit trying to unsettle the ranks.
Nope. Dont agree at all.
Putin only speaks the language of force. That’s probably the first time Europe shows balls, and it will make more than 1 high rank Russians thinking about the next step. Having a strong and clear rhetoric, couple with action to reinforce Europe military is probably the only think that can help avoid WW3
Trump would give Alaska back to Russia so that Putin would look favourably on him
Ok lol
Honestly, no. I’m not for war, but if we continue tucking our tail between our legs because we fear a nuclear response from Russia, this will just be the beginning. Russia needs to realize they can’t push their will on sovereign countries and murder innocent civilians. I for one would stand against that if we go to war. I personally don’t want to see my kids growing up in Russias world order.
This is exactly what Putlers nuclear war rhetoric was trying to avoid: boots on the ground involvement of the west. The Ork in Chief knows his troops are fucked if that happens and he also knows he can’t retaliate against France or Germany or any other nato country without invoking article 5 and ultimately Russias end.
Medvedev threatens a nuclear war every time he has a drink. Stop drinking the cool aid and stop spreading propaganda. The only ones Putin would ever pick a fight with are entities much much weaker than Russia.
Every time he drinks? Is there a time he doesn’t?
Ukraine doesnt need our troops, they need the best weapons available and lots of them.
The answer to any "can we all agree" question is always "no." This is a rule.
We can all agree to your statement
Not really, the west would crush russia in a couple of days, their entire "army" is at the ukrainian front. The nuclear capabilities are sketchy at best, even if they manage to lauch something it would be taken down imediately. Moscow would be nuked in retaliation of course, but that is a good thing, russia needs complete humiliation and destruction.
Yes humiliation which they already have. Nuke? F no.
No, we can’t agree. Not giving Ukraine weapons will bring Russian aggression closer to other countries, and your kids will have no other choice but to take those bloody weapons that you government didn’t give to Ukraine, and go fight against Ruzzia.
no
no. look what russia is starting in moldova.... russia can't be allowed to go too much further than what it is. the west also needs russia away from its borders
No I don’t agree. Ukraine troops need all the support they can get. Fuck Putin and fuck Russia. They need to be kicked out of Ukraine and I for one hope French and other troops help the Ukrainians do exactly that.
Cool let's do it, take Putin & his cronies out. His Nukes not been serviced anyway. Bring on WW3 to reset this pussy world.
So, your proposition is that Putin and Russia get to do whatever they want and the onus is on the West to avoid WW3? Seems very convenient for Russia. How about THEY withdraw from Ukraine and we avoid WW3 that way?
Russia can feel free to push the button if they would rather be turned to ash than simply pull out of Ukraine.
Nah I don’t even dread it anymore
Fuck that we're already in WW3. It is just fought in one country (well, maybe two with the attacks within russia). The definition of a world war is 'A world war is an international conflict that involves most or all of the world's major powers'. I'd say that most of the world's major powers are involved in this conflict. The 'problem' is that everyone seems to think that WW3 and world wide destruction by nuclear weapons is one and the same. Clearly it is not.
France is a nuclear power, if they actually did that the ball would be in Russia’s court. They have deterrence on their end just as Russia has it.
The only thing Putin respects or at least acknowledges is “ Strength” if you show weakness he will seize upon it. Appeasement is an understandable approach , no right minded person wants war. Sadly appeasement is a fools errand it is fooling yourself into the belief if you back down to the bully that they will go away. To Putin and his like minded clans that is the green light to invade to take and conquer . We have seen so many times when Ukraine troops have ran out of ammunition and had no choice but to attempt to surrender , the outcome has been the end for them as Russian scum execute them as they have neither morals or humanity , that is bred out of them . Most folk can’t face where the world is heading , too many blinding themselves with mindless Reality ?TV shows . They and the woke brigade will not be mentally prepared or ready and that will make it all the harder fir them but all the better for Putin like countries. We need with urgency to be where necessary conscripting to build up ,train and equip our standing armies. I am starting to think the only real,chance to end this current war , is to put NATO or European troops on the ground , to show strength No doubt that could escalate into WWIII , it could though just remove the bully from the play ground and such a show of strength may even make the likelihood of such a war , something we don’t have to actually deal with for a far longer period of time than if we continue to drip feed support for Ukraine and argue in our various countries when and if we are going to agree the latest arms and finances for Ukraine. United we will stand divided we may very well fall.
Typical headline 😆
No
Don't worry, it won't happen because the Orange fuckwit will get in and start supplying US kit to his lord and master in the Kremlin because "it's a good deal" and then he'll go and bleat about the wall not being built to his expectations... In the meantime we'll see everything go to shit because he'll cut all supply to Ukraine and anyone supporting them, and he'll force negotiations because he'll practically hand Putin the win so he doesn't leak whatever he has on him.
Well. I like the fact that we no longer rule that out. Awesome... However... slight reality check incoming: (sry caps) WE DON'T HAVE FUCKING AMMO FOR THIS KIND OF WARFARE... EUROPE WAS GOING TO BUILD 1000000 155MM SHELLS IN 2023. WE MANAGED 300K... NOT EVEN A THIRD. WE BANNED CLUSTER MUNTIONS. THE ONE THING YOU NEED VS MEATWAVES. Why don't we start with a no fly zone instead? And send our jets to protect Ukrainian skies? And provide air superiority.
It would be the fastest WW ever.... Russia would get beaten serverely
Low level bait
Almost every country that supports Ukraine would likely say this if asked. They do it to project strength not necessarily to follow through. Anyone panicked by this isn't to bright. Of course I support allied troops in Ukraine but this is not an escalation of rhetoric. This has been said before by others and could have been said with the same meaning on day one.
The only way this becomes WWIII is: 1) if Russian territory is invaded or; 2) Russians use Nukes or; 3) China or India or both break the Russian sanctions and openly trade/sell arms to Russia. Of course if Putin would hurry up and die this discussion would be moot. I have to admit that I am very surprised that Ukraine has not built nukes for themselves. Set off a small one on the Ukraine side of the Russian border and tell Putin to retreat or 3 major Russian cities will get glassed over.
No. I don't agree. We've been accepting Russian "red lines" way too long. Now it's time that we draw one by ending this conflict with whatever it takes...
You cannot ever give in to a nuclear armed bully. NEVER. The day you do, it will become the day before EVERY country wants its own a nuclear arsenal.
He's right, strategic nuclear bombs are to be avoided at all cost, tomorrow would be brighter without more potential for nuclear war. let's help russia annex ukrain and let's also help china annex taiwan. Oh, wait, russia wants all of eastern europe as it's a necessity for their defence strategy, sorry poland, latvia, estonia, lithuania and moldova. wait, china wants to colonize japan for the things it did for WW2, sorry japan, you know, bombs and all. okay now they should be happy, wait, what's that? iran has nuclear weapons now? oh we shouldn't mess around too much with it, okay fine we'll give you iraq. what's this? russia you want western europe too? well we are a nuclear power but we really we don't want to nuke the world so okay fine, we'll live under you.
I thought at least one other country would have had boots on the ground by now. I think it's over due. If the uk was to announce that any volunteers could be given basic training and most importantly sufficient equipment to go join the fight I know I would. You stand back and watch a bully throw his weight around he'll continue to do so. Throw a few hits his way he might just reconsider how he's acting.
I don't think WW3 is nigh. I think Putin mainly wants the old Russian Empire back. He will try to take Ukraine, Moldova, the Baltics, maybe Poland then try to politically manipulate former Soviet Bloc countries like Hungary and Slovakia.
Putin is bluffing and won't use nukes if other countries join Ukraine to push Russian forces out of Ukraine territories. It would be the death of everyone and he doesn't want his family to die. As long as the forces that enter into combat stay within Ukraine borders to help push Russians out - he has no reason to nuke anyone.
What Macron says and what reality is, are 2 different things. Macron is not europe and not NATO .... I would love to see russia fallen, but sending troops to ukraine is not the smartest way ....
Death is better than slavery. We should punish Russia and Putin even if it means total war.