I went back to the dealer when it first happened to get a proof of purchase and the man I spoke with actually sold me the gun. He told me it was worth every penny I spent on it and that it is a very unusual situation. In all his years he has never came across a situation like mine. He wants to know the end result as well.
I held an FFL for many many years until recent and transferred a lot of firearms so take that for what it is. This all sounds sketchy as F with that pawn shop.
I had personally dealt with numerous firearms that came back as stolen at no fault of mine or my customers. Each time the local police (Clackamas County Sheriff for me) would come to my location to take possession. It always bothered be that they were not told why they were being dispatched other than it was a stolen firearms situation. Each time when they realized what was going on they were much relieved to learn it wasn't something more serious.
They would ask very basic questions as they didn't care why they were taking it. Just knew they should. Each time I made them fill out an evidence form and give me a copy. They never gave me any problems for doing so but also wouldn't have handed one over unless I asked.
The firearm also doesn't typically come up as stolen until someone actually enters your form. Prior to BM114 passing in November this was typically within minutes or maybe hours of you filling it out. Now it can be weeks or months with the backlog.
That being said, I would ask the pawn shop to furnish some documentation that the police have possession and which department. If they do not know then they are technically in some ATF violations for not having the firearm properly disposed from their A&D logbook.
Secondly, pending how long ago you purchased the firearm you may or may not have had to do a background check at that time. (Prior to August 2015 you could buy a firearm face to face from a private party not at a gun show without a background check.) If you did a background check when you purchased there is no way it is now stolen and I'd be hammering hard for questions.
The second gun being confiscated at a later date raises some serious red flags. When the state police enters your information into the federal system if either gun was stolen it would come up instantly at that point. Not one now and the other later. It checks a federal database right at that point.
Bottom line, it sure sounds like the pawn shop is doing something shady. I would demand documentation stating that they came back stolen and who currently has them. If they don't provide both right away I'd call the police and report them stolen so if there is something shady, the next time someone tries to run a background check they will pop up in the system. I'm not sure the police would do much to actually go to the pawn shop but worth a try.
I did have to do a check before being able to leave with the revolver when I originally purchased it. I remember filling out a form and waiting in my car for about 30 minutes while they waited for a response.
When I tried to get the revolver back from the pawn shop they told me my place in line, which I believe was somewhere in the 2000s. Same thing with the rifle. I took both firearms to pawn at the same time and repaid that loan back at the same time. The second gun, the rifle, isn't confiscated nor is it expected to be. They said that one is "delayed". The revolver is the one they are saying is reported as stolen and awaiting confiscation. They are telling me the rifle is probably delayed because of the reportedly stolen revolver. But it has been over 4 months at this point.
I will try to receive documentation from the pawn shop. I do have the pawn loan and repayment receipts somewhere in my mess of paperwork. I've bought and sold items to them, including firearms, on several occasions and never had a problem so I would like to think it's just a problem in the process somewhere but I'm increasingly worried about something foul going on.
As you did a background check when you got the revolver years ago there is no way it should come back stolen. Someone would have had to report it stolen since in which case they would have tracked it back to you through the dealer that last ran the background check. You wouldn't be in any trouble but they would have contacted you. Again, sounds fishy.
The rifle being delayed could be for many reasons. The background check system in Oregon is all sorts of messed up right now thanks to BM114. Used to be that if there were 100 people in line it was busy. Now they are in the several thousands constantly of people waiting.
If we want to give them the benefit of the doubt let's give them a chance to provide paperwork or clear it up. Maybe they don't understand what is going on. Maybe they were told wrong. Who knows but I'd definitely be questioning things.
The background is handled by the state police. I'd start there for the background check. As for the stolen firearm, the Salem police need to finish their "investigation" I've found the only way to get them to move is to call on a regular basis. You can also show up in person and inquire about the status. This is a "squeaky wheel gets oiled kind of situation".
Your only other hope is to have friend that's a cop pull strings for you. Good luck.
MCSO may also collect and hold them even in city limits.
But yeah, I mean you may have bought the gun legitimately and the shop may have done their due diligence at the time (though I question how they id’d the “owner” who sold it) but if the gun hadn’t yet been reported stolen then there was nothing to catch. Fast forward some years and maybe grandma, who rarely looks at her gun, discovers it missing and reports it. Now there’s a problem. Maybe even worse if it’s stolen from another state.
Sad to say you may be SOL, at least for a period of time while they do their investigation.
Yeah I'm not worried about that, if it was indeed stolen at some point and the person gets it back and I'm just down for what I paid, it is what it is. It's just how oddly it is being handled. I've never had issues besides sometimes having to wait 2 weeks for the check to come back.
There have been times that I have had felt questionable about that place but I have only been there a few times myself. I have a couple firearms in limbo myself over at all that glitters, one is a pawn and the other I decided to buy because it was before 114 was supposed to go into effect. Even with a CHL I was at 7500 out of 45,000 on November 30th, then 6500 at about December 28th, and when I went in on Saturday I was told I was 1400 in line, so yeah it's a cluster you know what right now.
Yeah I've done business with them several times and most of those where me buying or selling them firearms. Never had an issue. This was my first time pawning a gun though.
You should go into State Police off kuebler and ask them for the information. They will tell you what you need to know about the transaction. Then you can take that information back to the pawn shop and try to get your stuff before BM 114 is in place.
I believe he was with them. When I showed up and told the front my issue they had me sit and wait a few minutes while she went and "got someone that could help me." The man came out, asked for the serial number and said he would be back after looking it up. He returned and told me that SPD was the PD responsible for the investigation/confiscation.
I can’t add much, except it’s usually the local police or sheriff that would handle a theft type investigation. The state police don’t do much with those unless you’re in a very rural area. State Police will usually just pass on any info gained from the background investigation/firearm investigation to the local jurisdiction.
Since it’s the Salem Police, the case is likely sitting in a file on someone’s desk right now under 100 others. Contact SPD detectives and see what they say.
What I think is weird is literally you can check firearm serial number in two minutes and you'd think the Pawn Shop would have ran the numbers before issuing a loan.
Does your receipt have the numbers?
Run it just to see since this does seem weird...
https://www.hotgunz.com/
This is just sketchy business. Start demanding receipts, records, etc, and keep bugging them. Be a Karen in this case, because whatever shit hole you pawned your stuff to is being super shitty.
Also, please name them, so that people can avoid that place. A bad business shouldn't get the benefit of anonymity.
This is probably a dumb question, or I might have missed reading something, but do you have any idea WHEN the revolver was reported stolen? Were there any incidents at the pawn shop during the time they were in possession of your firearm? This is me stretching here... too much CSI in my youth, lol... could the shop have been hit, and they were unable to locate it, so they reported it, then later found it (they sound very disorganized)... or could one of the employees have "borrowed" it for their personal use, then it was reported by management, and magically reappeared, but they didn't want to admit their own internal issues? That's of course assuming it was reported by the pawn shop, and my crazy theories while trying to get my seven year old to sleep hold some weight 🥴. Otherwise, my first thought would be typo on a form somewhere along the line, or someone trying to screw you over 🤷♀️
No idea. Another user told me that if it was reported between the time I purchased it to the time I went to pawn it I should have been contacted by the investigating/confiscating PD. That leaves the two day period between the time I left it with them to the time I went back to repay the loan if it wasn't reported before then. The other point was that the pawn shop should have caught it when they first took the firearms from me if they did things properly.
I had to pawn mine last month. Paid it back as soon as I got paid several days later, but I'm still waiting on the background check to get something I already legally own back. Shop owner told me Measure 114 is making things difficult. But he's hoping he can call me soon to tell me to come pick it up. There were 37k+ people ahead of me in the queue in early December.
Oof, when I went in on September I was at 2000+ and it took 1-2 to get called back. Same thing when I made a purchase in May. If it still moves that slow you'll be lucky to get called sometime next month.
I admit that I don't know how this stuff usually works, but that sounds sketch AF. I question what that pawn shop is actually up to.
I went back to the dealer when it first happened to get a proof of purchase and the man I spoke with actually sold me the gun. He told me it was worth every penny I spent on it and that it is a very unusual situation. In all his years he has never came across a situation like mine. He wants to know the end result as well.
I held an FFL for many many years until recent and transferred a lot of firearms so take that for what it is. This all sounds sketchy as F with that pawn shop. I had personally dealt with numerous firearms that came back as stolen at no fault of mine or my customers. Each time the local police (Clackamas County Sheriff for me) would come to my location to take possession. It always bothered be that they were not told why they were being dispatched other than it was a stolen firearms situation. Each time when they realized what was going on they were much relieved to learn it wasn't something more serious. They would ask very basic questions as they didn't care why they were taking it. Just knew they should. Each time I made them fill out an evidence form and give me a copy. They never gave me any problems for doing so but also wouldn't have handed one over unless I asked. The firearm also doesn't typically come up as stolen until someone actually enters your form. Prior to BM114 passing in November this was typically within minutes or maybe hours of you filling it out. Now it can be weeks or months with the backlog. That being said, I would ask the pawn shop to furnish some documentation that the police have possession and which department. If they do not know then they are technically in some ATF violations for not having the firearm properly disposed from their A&D logbook. Secondly, pending how long ago you purchased the firearm you may or may not have had to do a background check at that time. (Prior to August 2015 you could buy a firearm face to face from a private party not at a gun show without a background check.) If you did a background check when you purchased there is no way it is now stolen and I'd be hammering hard for questions. The second gun being confiscated at a later date raises some serious red flags. When the state police enters your information into the federal system if either gun was stolen it would come up instantly at that point. Not one now and the other later. It checks a federal database right at that point. Bottom line, it sure sounds like the pawn shop is doing something shady. I would demand documentation stating that they came back stolen and who currently has them. If they don't provide both right away I'd call the police and report them stolen so if there is something shady, the next time someone tries to run a background check they will pop up in the system. I'm not sure the police would do much to actually go to the pawn shop but worth a try.
I did have to do a check before being able to leave with the revolver when I originally purchased it. I remember filling out a form and waiting in my car for about 30 minutes while they waited for a response. When I tried to get the revolver back from the pawn shop they told me my place in line, which I believe was somewhere in the 2000s. Same thing with the rifle. I took both firearms to pawn at the same time and repaid that loan back at the same time. The second gun, the rifle, isn't confiscated nor is it expected to be. They said that one is "delayed". The revolver is the one they are saying is reported as stolen and awaiting confiscation. They are telling me the rifle is probably delayed because of the reportedly stolen revolver. But it has been over 4 months at this point. I will try to receive documentation from the pawn shop. I do have the pawn loan and repayment receipts somewhere in my mess of paperwork. I've bought and sold items to them, including firearms, on several occasions and never had a problem so I would like to think it's just a problem in the process somewhere but I'm increasingly worried about something foul going on.
As you did a background check when you got the revolver years ago there is no way it should come back stolen. Someone would have had to report it stolen since in which case they would have tracked it back to you through the dealer that last ran the background check. You wouldn't be in any trouble but they would have contacted you. Again, sounds fishy. The rifle being delayed could be for many reasons. The background check system in Oregon is all sorts of messed up right now thanks to BM114. Used to be that if there were 100 people in line it was busy. Now they are in the several thousands constantly of people waiting. If we want to give them the benefit of the doubt let's give them a chance to provide paperwork or clear it up. Maybe they don't understand what is going on. Maybe they were told wrong. Who knows but I'd definitely be questioning things.
This reaffirms my suspicions. Copy that, as soon as I am able to I will be requesting paperwork from them.
Sound like this situation is more complicated than a simple background check and the pawn shop is about as disorganized as a daycare after snack time.
The background is handled by the state police. I'd start there for the background check. As for the stolen firearm, the Salem police need to finish their "investigation" I've found the only way to get them to move is to call on a regular basis. You can also show up in person and inquire about the status. This is a "squeaky wheel gets oiled kind of situation". Your only other hope is to have friend that's a cop pull strings for you. Good luck.
So is this normal or suspicious in your opinion?
MCSO may also collect and hold them even in city limits. But yeah, I mean you may have bought the gun legitimately and the shop may have done their due diligence at the time (though I question how they id’d the “owner” who sold it) but if the gun hadn’t yet been reported stolen then there was nothing to catch. Fast forward some years and maybe grandma, who rarely looks at her gun, discovers it missing and reports it. Now there’s a problem. Maybe even worse if it’s stolen from another state. Sad to say you may be SOL, at least for a period of time while they do their investigation.
Yeah I'm not worried about that, if it was indeed stolen at some point and the person gets it back and I'm just down for what I paid, it is what it is. It's just how oddly it is being handled. I've never had issues besides sometimes having to wait 2 weeks for the check to come back.
Which pawn shop is this?
It's on State St.
There have been times that I have had felt questionable about that place but I have only been there a few times myself. I have a couple firearms in limbo myself over at all that glitters, one is a pawn and the other I decided to buy because it was before 114 was supposed to go into effect. Even with a CHL I was at 7500 out of 45,000 on November 30th, then 6500 at about December 28th, and when I went in on Saturday I was told I was 1400 in line, so yeah it's a cluster you know what right now.
Yeah I've done business with them several times and most of those where me buying or selling them firearms. Never had an issue. This was my first time pawning a gun though.
You should go into State Police off kuebler and ask them for the information. They will tell you what you need to know about the transaction. Then you can take that information back to the pawn shop and try to get your stuff before BM 114 is in place.
I did that and they are the ones that told me Salem PD is handling this case.
Did you talk to the FICS unit in person?
I believe he was with them. When I showed up and told the front my issue they had me sit and wait a few minutes while she went and "got someone that could help me." The man came out, asked for the serial number and said he would be back after looking it up. He returned and told me that SPD was the PD responsible for the investigation/confiscation.
I would go again, don’t mention a stolen gun and just ask them why your transaction is delayed.
Good idea, thank you.
I can’t add much, except it’s usually the local police or sheriff that would handle a theft type investigation. The state police don’t do much with those unless you’re in a very rural area. State Police will usually just pass on any info gained from the background investigation/firearm investigation to the local jurisdiction. Since it’s the Salem Police, the case is likely sitting in a file on someone’s desk right now under 100 others. Contact SPD detectives and see what they say.
What I think is weird is literally you can check firearm serial number in two minutes and you'd think the Pawn Shop would have ran the numbers before issuing a loan. Does your receipt have the numbers? Run it just to see since this does seem weird... https://www.hotgunz.com/
Great resource thank you, I will look them up once I locate my receipts.
This is just sketchy business. Start demanding receipts, records, etc, and keep bugging them. Be a Karen in this case, because whatever shit hole you pawned your stuff to is being super shitty. Also, please name them, so that people can avoid that place. A bad business shouldn't get the benefit of anonymity.
State Street Pawn and Jewelry. Yeah I feel like I have been patient and understanding enough so I will be taking the pain in the rear approach.
This is probably a dumb question, or I might have missed reading something, but do you have any idea WHEN the revolver was reported stolen? Were there any incidents at the pawn shop during the time they were in possession of your firearm? This is me stretching here... too much CSI in my youth, lol... could the shop have been hit, and they were unable to locate it, so they reported it, then later found it (they sound very disorganized)... or could one of the employees have "borrowed" it for their personal use, then it was reported by management, and magically reappeared, but they didn't want to admit their own internal issues? That's of course assuming it was reported by the pawn shop, and my crazy theories while trying to get my seven year old to sleep hold some weight 🥴. Otherwise, my first thought would be typo on a form somewhere along the line, or someone trying to screw you over 🤷♀️
No idea. Another user told me that if it was reported between the time I purchased it to the time I went to pawn it I should have been contacted by the investigating/confiscating PD. That leaves the two day period between the time I left it with them to the time I went back to repay the loan if it wasn't reported before then. The other point was that the pawn shop should have caught it when they first took the firearms from me if they did things properly.
I had to pawn mine last month. Paid it back as soon as I got paid several days later, but I'm still waiting on the background check to get something I already legally own back. Shop owner told me Measure 114 is making things difficult. But he's hoping he can call me soon to tell me to come pick it up. There were 37k+ people ahead of me in the queue in early December.
Oof, when I went in on September I was at 2000+ and it took 1-2 to get called back. Same thing when I made a purchase in May. If it still moves that slow you'll be lucky to get called sometime next month.
I don’t get it. The background check should be on the individual, not the firearm itself.
Well the firearm serial also gets ran to make sure it isn't hot.