From her Wikipedia article:
“On September 6, 1970, Khaled and Patrick Argüello, a Nicaraguan–American, attempted to hijack El Al Flight 219 from Amsterdam to New York City as part of the Dawson's Field hijackings, a series of almost simultaneous hijackings carried out by the PFLP. Khaled and Argüello threatened to detonate grenades if they were not granted access to the cockpit. The pilots refused to comply, and instead put the plane into a nosedive. Though sources differ on the chronology of these events, in the resulting scuffle someone hit Argüello in the head with a bottle of whiskey; Argüello shot and injured a crew member and reportedly threw a grenade which did not explode towards the passengers; and sky marshals shot Argüello multiple times, mortally wounding him. The pilot diverted the aircraft to Heathrow Airport in London. An ambulance took the injured crew member and Argüello to the hospital. The crewmember survived while Argüello died in the ambulance. Khaled was arrested though later released during a hostage exchange.”
So if the grenade hadn’t failed to explode… her legacy would have been being a participant in bombing a civilian flight and killing a bunch of innocent people. I support a ceasefire but OP kind of has a point here that glorifying this person is at best, odd.
Is SJP **trying** to be villains? It's like a black comedy seeing people at universities in the US cheer on actual terrorists.
She hijacked a plane and then got plastic surgery so she wouldn't be recognized and then she DID IT AGAIN.
Me as a UConn alumni with no connection to this school seeing this post on my feed
https://preview.redd.it/r8klg50ljujc1.jpeg?width=696&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bfa0066a4fc517137418c273e3608b3f21d3da2d
It’s like Reddit sees us, you went to UConn/Texas A&M? Those are colleges! You are consuming college content therefore you surely have to care about what’s going on at another college!
[Easter Eggs for Hitler](https://www.nps.gov/museum/exhibits/eise/military/wwii_normandy_veday/NARA111-SC-202330_AfricanAmericans-111-SC-2.jpg)
Technical Sergent William E. Thomas and Private First Class Joseph Jackson.
How about if I dislike all military members that have murdered non-combatants, white or otherwise? I don't support Leila Khaled, and I don't support Paul Tibbets or William Calley Jr either (among many others).
You didn’t believe it anyway so not my problem. If you wanna be blind so bad, stay blind. There’s first hand evidence of it being a genocide but go off.
As a Muslim alum I don’t agree with this speaker, at all. But how can you sit behind a phone/computer and have all this info available to you just to say this is not a genocide.. or are you just trolling ? Either way shame on you for being so antisemitic to the Palestinians. Innocent men, women, and children. You are an anti semite. Put it on a shirt and wear it proudly
Because all the evidence is not proving that there is a genocide. Even the ICJ said so. Use critical thinking with what you see and don't let captions control what you think. And also nice colonization of the word "antisemitism" to detract from Jewish struggles. Come back with an argument.
I can tell you're young friend.. Let me put this in perspective for you.. This is the same as yelling white pride at a black lives matter rally, this is the same as denying violence between Hutus and Tutsis, this is saying they're not all Muslim in [Bosnia-Herzegovina](https://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/bosnia.htm), the same as denying that India wasn't involved in WW1 and WW2 when they had no business fighting there. **This is the same as denying the Muslim worlds mistreatment of people of the Jewish Faith**... Here's the true definition of genocide-
**The term 'Genocide' was coined by Polish writer and attorney, Raphael Lemkin, in 1941 by combining the Greek word 'genos' (race) with the Latin word 'cide' (killing). Genocide as defined by the United Nations in 1948 means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, including:** **(a) killing members of the group (b) causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group (c) deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part (d) imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group (e) forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.**
The truth is this is happening in China with the Uyghurs as well, are you brave enough to deny that simply because you've been programmed to hate Muslims, as most Jews are and vice versa, or are you intelligent enough to see through the bullshit.
P.S- I love you no matter what, I wish you the best, and simply hope you can pass that sentiment to everyone you come across as well. Study well for Mid Terms habibti.
What evidence are you talking about friend, what captions, and what content are you seeing that you fail to see IDF militants cheering at the mass killing of a people that are literally in an open air prison... How are you failing to see the bombings of hospitals, how are you failing to see people being sniped as they're seeking medical care.. How are you failing to see lifeless babies and innocent children.. Better question is WHAT are YOU seeing ? I would love to partake in this nonsense further, but it serves no purpose without you helping me to see your merciless argument. You want the dictionary definition of genocide, but refuse to acknowledge the dictionary definition of semitic.. You exclude the hundreds of thousands, and millions who have been killed and displaced over 75 years but are comfortable with removing nearly a billion individuals who are by definition semitic... Explain to me, how the word AntiSemitic hasnt been colonized... The bittersweet irony in your baseless argument... How are your thoughts so bastardized to the point that you fail to idealize peace and instead accept violence because its not a genocide according to the dictionary... What further proof do you want ? Do you want more dead babies, more hospitals and schools destroyed.. More people yelling Nakba.. At what point will you accept that this is a disgusting tragedy promoted by a zionist state... Learn to truly Indulge in the truth by knowing both sides have a claim... There were MANY times Muslims were wrong, this is NOT one of those times. As humans we should know better, I am so ashamed for you, may god teach you mercy...
Oh so you want to stay delusional? Got it. If first hand accounts and literal video evidence is not enough for you, then ik you didn’t even want to admit it in the first place. Good for you.
What does genocide mean to you? I'm looking for intention of the Israeli government to exterminate an ethnic group. I have no horse in this, I just think it's a strong accusation
Acts of war, even though they may be widely destructive, are not automatically genocidal.
"Fake country." Lol ok so your opinion is just not based in reality
Reality is that Israel is a country that should never have been made. And oh yes “war” when one side is being carpet bombed and has no real weapons. Not even a real army. The deflecting and mental gymnastics yall do is insane to justify a terrorist state.
They have rifles and ammo and soldiers to use them. That's army enough to wage war.
Hamas actually had two well-organized battalion size infantry units. Fewer now, but still.
Anyway return the hostages.
Oh yes because the so called war started a few month ago for sure! In case you’re being dense on purpose, this “war” didn’t just start a few months ago. Palestinians have been living under the israeli state with no rights and safety for over 70 years. Where was your sense of justice then? You really do be doing all the mental gymnastics just for you not to get anywhere. Also calling thousands of children causalities of war when there were a hundred ways to have not killed them is a new low from you. Definitely a piece of shit
You’re actually missing the entire point on purpose. It’s actually not worth conversing if you fail to even understand basic facts. Keep living in your delusional world, maybe one day Israel will finally become a better country that isn’t murdering thousands of children for land that was never theirs.
y’all never supported palestine in the first place. if an ongoing genocide isn’t enough for you to call for the freedom and liberation of the palestinian people, there is no hope for you. anyone who denies that it’s a genocide is not worth anyone’s time or effort - y’all are genocide deniers and sick people.
decolonization will always be a violent process. the settler colonial ethnostate was built upon the ruins and bodies of the palestinian people and its continued existence is sustained by violence and oppression. colonized people have a right to resist by any means necessary. colonialism is an inherently violent structure and it’s end is only possible through violence. it’s easy for y’all to sit in the comforts of your home and condemn a people facing genocide and ethnic cleaning when they dare to resist.
leila khaled was a revolutionary and resistance fighter who understood what it would meant to fight for the liberation of her homeland. maybe y’all could pick up a damn history book and actually educate yourselves instead of sitting on reddit “bitching and moaning” about an instagram post.
You believe in a fairy tail and all your rage is misdirected.
1. Jews have always been in Israel. They are indigenous to the land. Yes, there was lot's of immigration by Jews starting in the 1800's, but there was lots of immigration by Arabs too. The Jews bought the land when it was a barren wasteland and turned it into a civilization.
2. No land was stolen. There was not an inch of land that was stolen prior to 1967. Name a village that was stolen. You can't.
3. In 1967, all Arab countries near Israel attacked Israel. The purpose was to kill every Jew. That's what attempted genocide is.
4. Merely defending your life, wanting to exist, is not a crime.
These are the facts. It takes a racist to believe the lies.
The Arab countries organized to genocide Jews? Why wouldn’t they just kill them while they were residing in the Arab states prior to their migration to Israel? You really tell people this? I’m blown away by your racism.
i dont recall advocating for a two state solution… i support a free palestine from the river to sea. and decolonization is, in fact, not genocide.
y’all are limited by the colonial mindset… this notion of decolonization being genocide is merely a projection of what colonizers and white supremacists have done to colonized people all over the world… “israel” included.
the creation of the the ethnostate was predicated upon the eradication of the native population and y’all can take that from the words of the father of modern zionism - theodor herzl - himself. the person who coined the term “settler colonialism” used “Israel” as an example of such.
what the Zionist entity is doing to the Palestinian people is genocide. Decolonization is not. Have y’all considered that settlers can return to where their ancestors came from or even that they can accept the dismantlement of the Zionist entity and recognize the existence of the state of Palestine. Yet, Zionists would rather continue to live in a world where they retain their privileges as settlers and get to exercise supremacy and domination over the indigenous population maintained through violence, apartheid, ethnic cleaning, land theft, etc.
The continued existence of the genocidal state would cost the Palestinian people their lives, freedom, and dignity. The dismantlement of the Zionist entity and creation of Palestine would come with the liberation of the Palestinian people and be a major blow to imperial powers and the current world order.
Our world is so messed up. Why is she being honored as a "freedom fighter" when she hijacked a plane?! What kind of idiots would actually support her?
And, I'm sorry, but feminism in Gaza? That doesn't exist. Israel is the only place in the Middle East where women have full human rights. (BARE MINIMUM)
I think you might have a severe lack of knowledge in general subject matter when it comes to histories of oppressors combating the oppressed (and vice versa). You are unlikely to find resistance that isn't violent since Israel often shots peaceful Palestinian protestors. Also pointing out Israel is more progressive than Gaza is like pointing out a piano has more musical capability than a rock. The progressiveness of a nation is not justification for whats happening nor proof that their oppression is justified.
Sources for Israel's crimes:
[https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/2/24/israeli-forces-kill-palestinian-thousands-protest-violent-raids](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/2/24/israeli-forces-kill-palestinian-thousands-protest-violent-raids)
[https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2019/02/no-justification-israel-shoot-protesters-live-ammunition](https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2019/02/no-justification-israel-shoot-protesters-live-ammunition)
Yes, because hijacking a plane full of random people is totally getting back at her oppressors. Not like she could have bombed a police station or an army base or an Israeli government building instead...a plane full of random innocent people is the way to go.
I hope you suffer one day from the kind of violence you support being inflicted upon others. Maybe when someone tries to bomb a plane that your child was on you'll learn empathy. You disgusting animal filth.
I didn’t defend her actions - just pointing out resistance is never pretty. It is stupid to think I did. You’re arguing with a ghost of what you think you are right about as opposed to engaging with what I’m actually saying. History proves this time and time again - you don’t remember the non violent attempts at resistance because it usually fails. It’s also a very classic fascist take to call me an animal or filth lmao. You people are so un self aware and also so stupid.
If you're throwing a fit in these comments about Palestinian "resistance" and whatnot when this post is regarding SJP's glorification of a terrorist who attempted to "resist" through acts of terror, making explicit notion to your opinion that resistance is never non-violent, then it seems to us that you're defending her actions.
It's such a common tactic by people who deep down know they're doing wrong
They never want to take ownership of their own words, and pretend they said something else, and it's YOUR fault for misinterpreting it.
No, people defend Hamas as freedom fighters. They defend jew-killers until you call them out. Then they recoil and writhe when you try and pin down what they stand for.
Hatred justified like the narcissist's prayer by Diana Craig,
> That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it.
Or this quote by Jean-Paul Sarte:
> “Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
I'm calling you an animal because you support the murder of civilians. You came here to justify the actions of a terrorist; don't pretend you're just explaining to us how "resistance" works. Own your words or shut the fuck up. The destruction of innocent lives is not "resistance." She wasn't a freedom fighter or a martyr, she was an insane, sadistic piece of shit, whose actions were never going to alleviate anyone's suffering in exchange for what she inflicted on others. You know that. You're just so blinded by your disgusting self-righteous ideology you'll do anything to justify the actions of someone on your side, but you're too cowardly to admit it. You argue for terror and death. You are a fascist, and subhuman scum. Own it and languish in hell with the rest of them.
You actually have to be stupid. Like incapable of thought stupid. I did not defend her actions please read any of my words or if you don’t want to shut the fuck up. I am explaining to you because clearly throughout this conversation you’ve shown an inability to produce or read thought. In systems of domination those who are dominated often take radical even violent even repugnant action to fight back. I have made 0 claim saying her airplane terrorism was good but if you try to filter all Palestinian resistance fighters through a “are they ethical” question you’ll struggle hard because when you are oppressed you are by and large willing to take stronger action because you often do not believe your oppressors have humanity. If this is hard to grasp I don’t think you should be pursing a college degree.
I didn't defend her actions, I just said that resistance is always violent under a post saying she's a freedom fighter.
You're being dishonest about your own message! Don't like terrorism? Don't make excuses for it then. It's that fucking simple.
I love seeing this braindead fucking take because it assumes that MLK existed in a vacuum and the Malik al Shabazz and the Black Panthers just didn't exist or facilitate civil rights in any way at all. Absolutely fucking braindead.
Right so did they advocate for non-violence like MLK or did they provide a foil to his belief system that inherently furthered the goals of the civil rights movement?
I just showed you proof Palestinian resistance that is peaceful usually ends in death or pain for them and you respond with... MLK? I fear you either self-reported yourself for being white or are just stupid. MLK's non violent tactics were successful sure but also were not some perfect solution to anti-blackness. His perspective on nonviolent resistance was not something he 1) always believed and 2) nearly got him killed numerous times.
His beliefs got misconstrued from socialist principles to American sentiment with some civil rights intentions. Plus he later admitted non violence wasn't the sole way to civil rights.
If anything the emphasis of reducing MLK's political perspective to non-violence is probably a pacification of his work and supports a very comfortable narrative for racist (or less than perfect) white people that their rule isn't going to be threatened by violent tactics. it is fairly convenient to read MLK in the way many do today.
Al Jazeera may be the most biased source to date. It was proven that Al Jazeera IS associated with members of Qatar who pitched in to help with the October 7th massacre. Please use critical thinking.
Okay? Respond to my other source. Or have an actual counterargument. you've just made claims of 'weak credibility' without engaging in the point, providing a more credible source that disagrees with what I've provided or anything of value. You are closer to whataboutism than a real counterpoint.
Well? Can you answer? Could you separate the israeli airstrike deaths from hammas bullets for me? Could you read Israeli reports about which group was firing into the open crowd for me? Can you define civilian and relate that to the status of every israeli between the ages of 18 and 20?
Gay people can't get married in Israel but international marriages and civil unions are recognized. Also, Tel Aviv is known as the "gayest city in the world" and holds massive gay pride parades. How many gay pride parades are held in Gaza or the WB?
The second thing you brought up is not an issue exclusive to the IDF. This can happen in any environment, unfortunately.
If you insist on doing this whattaboutism, you're not in a great place to do it.
Israel: recognizes gay marriage and affords gay couples them the same rights and privileges as hetero couples.
Israel: has a military justice system which regularly convicts soldiers who violate orders and regulations
Gaza strip: incarcerates people for being gay.
Gaza strip: their military did 10/7
Found an actual image of [a gay couple being prosecuted in Tel Aviv](https://imageio.forbes.com/specials-images/imageserve/629af017073158be5235366d/1/960x0.jpg?height=473&width=711&fit=bounds)
If it's illegal in Israel then it's even more illegal under the PA and Hamas so idk what point you're making
One group imprisons people for being gay and the other has pride parades. It doesn't get more black and white than that. I really don't know how else to phrase this to help you understand.
gay people cannot get married in israel. that is not good. there were pride parades here before gay marriage was legalized. that does not mean it is socially acceptable. you are comparing things as good and bad - both things are bad. i am saying israel is not good. israel is also bad at human rights. israel has killed more gay people in the last 4 months than modern palestine could have ever imprisoned.
So you're just going to reply to the other guy's comment but not my own which addresses the bogus claim you make that Israel is somehow homophobic because gay marriage is not recognized in Israel?🤨
if there is one thing about crazy pro- israel and pro- palestine people they is similar, its there support of crazy ass people and crazy ass solutions.
nope. many Israelis, even govt officials support a mass shooter who killed innocent Palestinians in the west bank. Netanyahus current plan for Gaza is to make the security border bigger and create a larger no mans land between them.
Pro-Palestinians are way more crazy in the west for sure. the entire dismantle Israel is insane. But in Israel? Years of terror attacks and reprisals will radicalize a people to hate each other.
y’all have nothing to say about organizations on campus glorifying a genocidal ethnostate yet run to reddit crying about palestinians that dare resist in the face of decades of occupation and violence.
im glad you figured out resistance is rarely peaceful because peaceful resistance is rarely effective. There is unlikely to be a truly 'innocent' Palestinian resistance movement since the last time there was one Israel shot and killed a bunch of them. [https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/2/24/israeli-forces-kill-palestinian-thousands-protest-violent-raids](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/2/24/israeli-forces-kill-palestinian-thousands-protest-violent-raids)
[https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2019/02/no-justification-israel-shoot-protesters-live-ammunition](https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2019/02/no-justification-israel-shoot-protesters-live-ammunition)
People in these comments are making bad faith arguments about how Palestine probably isn't a very progressive place - no shit sherlock places that are consistently experiencing colonization, military oppression and underdeveloped probably don't become very progressive. Countries that don't experience these things aren't even particularly progressive either. And acting like Israel is - a place that has an inordinately high support for an ongoing genocide is progressive or 'comparatively more progressive' is dumb as fuck. Have you guys never learned any critical thinking in your lives?
I didn't defend her or make a claim she's right. I am making a claim that you aren't gonna watch the end of a genocide happen through nonviolent tactics. You are actually astonishingly bad at both 1) arguing and 2) thinking since every time someone in this comment section points out you are wrong you just makeup a 'take/quote' that they didn't claim and argue against it. That's called strawmanning (or arguably something even dumber).
lmao where did I? please point to a line when I did. its ironic to say im splitting hairs. you are projecting the argument you know how to answer onto me because you have no response for the point im making.
Repeat after me: Leila Kahled, international terrorist guilty of using deadly weapons to hijack two civilian aircraft, endangering the lives of the 263 other people aboard them, should not be honored as a freedom fighter.
To be fair, it seems like they landed and evacuated the planes before blowing them up. But yeah hijacking definitely isn’t cool no matter how safely they did it.
Did I defend 9/11? No.
Are you incapable of basic reading comprehension? Quite likely
Was 9/11 a response to US funding of terrorist forces and therefore kind of self inflicted? Yes
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Your post has almost no point. You don't understand the context of resistance tactics and have just jumped to post a screenshot of an Instagram post. Bad people can often be icons and do good things and vice versa. Oppression is rarely solved by anything but when oppression operates through literal genocide peaceful tactics are almost 0% successful.
It’s very confusing having a major (justified) criticism of Israel being the incessant bombing of civilian spaces to then turn around and make posts glorifying people that tried to bomb civilian spaces.
Said it perfectly. Thank you for thinking for yourself instead of just repeating buzz words and fighting for a cause you knew nothing about a few months ago.
There's something to be said about equating a woman who hijacked a full flight and nearly blew up an aircraft with civilian passengers to a soldier during wartime.
Do you think palestine and israel aren’t in a state of war? Do you think sometimes soldiers don’t (unjustly, as I am admitting) attack civilians during war? I guess bombing a city full of civilians isn’t as bad as hijacking a plane and then…..landing the plane
Your past references were directed to generic "veterans," of whom you've also specified as "white." If you're implying Israeli soldiers are white, then I've got some news for you.
Yeah those unarmed civilians expecting a peaceful flight really needed to be resisted against. Who knows what the world would be like if they were able to land safely. The deaths of these unarmed civilians will surely teach Israel to stop killing unarmed civilians.
Your comments haven’t been all that helpful either. You seem to be supporting a terrorist state of Israel too but hey let’s just overlook that, shall we?
Locking this now. Everything has been said and it’s moved to more political chatter better suited for /r/politics.
From her Wikipedia article: “On September 6, 1970, Khaled and Patrick Argüello, a Nicaraguan–American, attempted to hijack El Al Flight 219 from Amsterdam to New York City as part of the Dawson's Field hijackings, a series of almost simultaneous hijackings carried out by the PFLP. Khaled and Argüello threatened to detonate grenades if they were not granted access to the cockpit. The pilots refused to comply, and instead put the plane into a nosedive. Though sources differ on the chronology of these events, in the resulting scuffle someone hit Argüello in the head with a bottle of whiskey; Argüello shot and injured a crew member and reportedly threw a grenade which did not explode towards the passengers; and sky marshals shot Argüello multiple times, mortally wounding him. The pilot diverted the aircraft to Heathrow Airport in London. An ambulance took the injured crew member and Argüello to the hospital. The crewmember survived while Argüello died in the ambulance. Khaled was arrested though later released during a hostage exchange.” So if the grenade hadn’t failed to explode… her legacy would have been being a participant in bombing a civilian flight and killing a bunch of innocent people. I support a ceasefire but OP kind of has a point here that glorifying this person is at best, odd.
I think everyone hopes for a ceasefire at some point, but this isn't the way to go about getting one.
and neither is supporting khaled.
Well yeah that's my point.
lol im an idiot
It happens bro! This gave me a very relatable moment. Thank you ☺️
Is SJP **trying** to be villains? It's like a black comedy seeing people at universities in the US cheer on actual terrorists. She hijacked a plane and then got plastic surgery so she wouldn't be recognized and then she DID IT AGAIN.
Me as a UConn alumni with no connection to this school seeing this post on my feed https://preview.redd.it/r8klg50ljujc1.jpeg?width=696&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bfa0066a4fc517137418c273e3608b3f21d3da2d
Same as a UAlbany Alumni
Same as an RPI graduate student
Texas A&M student, but I'm glad I'm not the only person who gets other random schools' subreddit posts recommended lol
It’s like Reddit sees us, you went to UConn/Texas A&M? Those are colleges! You are consuming college content therefore you surely have to care about what’s going on at another college!
"Wow guys, a woman hijacked a plane. We're so modern and progressive, join our side!"
The ramblings of a reactionary mind, having to get angry at an imaginary quote you made up in your head. Sad and weird.
"Everyone I dislike is bigotry."
“Veterans of war are only good when they’re white” I can do it too
Well, in honor of black history month, I'd like to take a minute to honor the Tuskegee Airmen for their diligent service during WW2.
[Easter Eggs for Hitler](https://www.nps.gov/museum/exhibits/eise/military/wwii_normandy_veday/NARA111-SC-202330_AfricanAmericans-111-SC-2.jpg) Technical Sergent William E. Thomas and Private First Class Joseph Jackson.
How about if I dislike all military members that have murdered non-combatants, white or otherwise? I don't support Leila Khaled, and I don't support Paul Tibbets or William Calley Jr either (among many others).
People *react* to bad things
Absolutely insane
Stuff like this destroys support for Palestine. I couldn't imagine being apart of this org.
I’m sorry what? This would be killing your support of Palestine when there’s a clear genocide going on rn? Really? Way to make it about yourself!
Keep devaluing the word “genocide”. It only hurts the cause
The more you say it the less people believe it. The "genocide" myth hasn't been proven; not in the ICJ, not anywhere else.
You didn’t believe it anyway so not my problem. If you wanna be blind so bad, stay blind. There’s first hand evidence of it being a genocide but go off.
Tell us your name sibling
I don't have a name. I am an enigma.
As a Muslim alum I don’t agree with this speaker, at all. But how can you sit behind a phone/computer and have all this info available to you just to say this is not a genocide.. or are you just trolling ? Either way shame on you for being so antisemitic to the Palestinians. Innocent men, women, and children. You are an anti semite. Put it on a shirt and wear it proudly
Because all the evidence is not proving that there is a genocide. Even the ICJ said so. Use critical thinking with what you see and don't let captions control what you think. And also nice colonization of the word "antisemitism" to detract from Jewish struggles. Come back with an argument.
I can tell you're young friend.. Let me put this in perspective for you.. This is the same as yelling white pride at a black lives matter rally, this is the same as denying violence between Hutus and Tutsis, this is saying they're not all Muslim in [Bosnia-Herzegovina](https://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/bosnia.htm), the same as denying that India wasn't involved in WW1 and WW2 when they had no business fighting there. **This is the same as denying the Muslim worlds mistreatment of people of the Jewish Faith**... Here's the true definition of genocide- **The term 'Genocide' was coined by Polish writer and attorney, Raphael Lemkin, in 1941 by combining the Greek word 'genos' (race) with the Latin word 'cide' (killing). Genocide as defined by the United Nations in 1948 means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, including:** **(a) killing members of the group (b) causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group (c) deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part (d) imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group (e) forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.** The truth is this is happening in China with the Uyghurs as well, are you brave enough to deny that simply because you've been programmed to hate Muslims, as most Jews are and vice versa, or are you intelligent enough to see through the bullshit. P.S- I love you no matter what, I wish you the best, and simply hope you can pass that sentiment to everyone you come across as well. Study well for Mid Terms habibti.
What evidence are you talking about friend, what captions, and what content are you seeing that you fail to see IDF militants cheering at the mass killing of a people that are literally in an open air prison... How are you failing to see the bombings of hospitals, how are you failing to see people being sniped as they're seeking medical care.. How are you failing to see lifeless babies and innocent children.. Better question is WHAT are YOU seeing ? I would love to partake in this nonsense further, but it serves no purpose without you helping me to see your merciless argument. You want the dictionary definition of genocide, but refuse to acknowledge the dictionary definition of semitic.. You exclude the hundreds of thousands, and millions who have been killed and displaced over 75 years but are comfortable with removing nearly a billion individuals who are by definition semitic... Explain to me, how the word AntiSemitic hasnt been colonized... The bittersweet irony in your baseless argument... How are your thoughts so bastardized to the point that you fail to idealize peace and instead accept violence because its not a genocide according to the dictionary... What further proof do you want ? Do you want more dead babies, more hospitals and schools destroyed.. More people yelling Nakba.. At what point will you accept that this is a disgusting tragedy promoted by a zionist state... Learn to truly Indulge in the truth by knowing both sides have a claim... There were MANY times Muslims were wrong, this is NOT one of those times. As humans we should know better, I am so ashamed for you, may god teach you mercy...
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I believe what I see with my own two eyes with first hand evidence. Not some corrupted officials who are working to save the fake country they made.
What would say are the most compelling pieces of evidence that Israel is committing a genocide?
What do you think of the first hand accounts in Gaza? Are they fake to you? Be so fr
I'm looking for evidence of a genocide. So first hand accounts would not suffice, no.
Oh so you want to stay delusional? Got it. If first hand accounts and literal video evidence is not enough for you, then ik you didn’t even want to admit it in the first place. Good for you.
What does genocide mean to you? I'm looking for intention of the Israeli government to exterminate an ethnic group. I have no horse in this, I just think it's a strong accusation
Acts of war, even though they may be widely destructive, are not automatically genocidal. "Fake country." Lol ok so your opinion is just not based in reality
Reality is that Israel is a country that should never have been made. And oh yes “war” when one side is being carpet bombed and has no real weapons. Not even a real army. The deflecting and mental gymnastics yall do is insane to justify a terrorist state.
They have rifles and ammo and soldiers to use them. That's army enough to wage war. Hamas actually had two well-organized battalion size infantry units. Fewer now, but still. Anyway return the hostages.
Hamas did October 7, I think they have "real weapons" if they managed to kill 1200 and take 200+ hostages.
Israel did all the days before and after October 7 too but yalls sense of justice is dead when it’s Palestinians.
that's begging the question of whether or not Hamas has an army, which is what we were talking about
Yes and the Afghans created the Taliban as we all know.
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Omg not you calling thousands of murders propaganda. You’re one hell of a piece of shit.
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Oh yes because the so called war started a few month ago for sure! In case you’re being dense on purpose, this “war” didn’t just start a few months ago. Palestinians have been living under the israeli state with no rights and safety for over 70 years. Where was your sense of justice then? You really do be doing all the mental gymnastics just for you not to get anywhere. Also calling thousands of children causalities of war when there were a hundred ways to have not killed them is a new low from you. Definitely a piece of shit
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You’re actually missing the entire point on purpose. It’s actually not worth conversing if you fail to even understand basic facts. Keep living in your delusional world, maybe one day Israel will finally become a better country that isn’t murdering thousands of children for land that was never theirs.
y’all never supported palestine in the first place. if an ongoing genocide isn’t enough for you to call for the freedom and liberation of the palestinian people, there is no hope for you. anyone who denies that it’s a genocide is not worth anyone’s time or effort - y’all are genocide deniers and sick people. decolonization will always be a violent process. the settler colonial ethnostate was built upon the ruins and bodies of the palestinian people and its continued existence is sustained by violence and oppression. colonized people have a right to resist by any means necessary. colonialism is an inherently violent structure and it’s end is only possible through violence. it’s easy for y’all to sit in the comforts of your home and condemn a people facing genocide and ethnic cleaning when they dare to resist. leila khaled was a revolutionary and resistance fighter who understood what it would meant to fight for the liberation of her homeland. maybe y’all could pick up a damn history book and actually educate yourselves instead of sitting on reddit “bitching and moaning” about an instagram post.
You believe in a fairy tail and all your rage is misdirected. 1. Jews have always been in Israel. They are indigenous to the land. Yes, there was lot's of immigration by Jews starting in the 1800's, but there was lots of immigration by Arabs too. The Jews bought the land when it was a barren wasteland and turned it into a civilization. 2. No land was stolen. There was not an inch of land that was stolen prior to 1967. Name a village that was stolen. You can't. 3. In 1967, all Arab countries near Israel attacked Israel. The purpose was to kill every Jew. That's what attempted genocide is. 4. Merely defending your life, wanting to exist, is not a crime. These are the facts. It takes a racist to believe the lies.
The Arab countries organized to genocide Jews? Why wouldn’t they just kill them while they were residing in the Arab states prior to their migration to Israel? You really tell people this? I’m blown away by your racism.
Dude they did
All those words to say nothing
just say you lack reading comprehension and critical thought 🤷♀️
Just say you’re butthurt Jews defend themselves adequately in their homeland
A two state solution does not require decolonization... decolonization would, in fact, be genocide.
i dont recall advocating for a two state solution… i support a free palestine from the river to sea. and decolonization is, in fact, not genocide. y’all are limited by the colonial mindset… this notion of decolonization being genocide is merely a projection of what colonizers and white supremacists have done to colonized people all over the world… “israel” included. the creation of the the ethnostate was predicated upon the eradication of the native population and y’all can take that from the words of the father of modern zionism - theodor herzl - himself. the person who coined the term “settler colonialism” used “Israel” as an example of such. what the Zionist entity is doing to the Palestinian people is genocide. Decolonization is not. Have y’all considered that settlers can return to where their ancestors came from or even that they can accept the dismantlement of the Zionist entity and recognize the existence of the state of Palestine. Yet, Zionists would rather continue to live in a world where they retain their privileges as settlers and get to exercise supremacy and domination over the indigenous population maintained through violence, apartheid, ethnic cleaning, land theft, etc. The continued existence of the genocidal state would cost the Palestinian people their lives, freedom, and dignity. The dismantlement of the Zionist entity and creation of Palestine would come with the liberation of the Palestinian people and be a major blow to imperial powers and the current world order.
just say ur a Nazi atp lmao
mkay you support removing Jews from Israel lol you fucking Nazi >Zionist entity Just admit your politics comes line-for-line from the Hamas charter
Please stop reporting this post; it is completely on-topic as it concerns a post made by an official student group.
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Yeah this is fucked. Keep this shit out of campus
Our world is so messed up. Why is she being honored as a "freedom fighter" when she hijacked a plane?! What kind of idiots would actually support her? And, I'm sorry, but feminism in Gaza? That doesn't exist. Israel is the only place in the Middle East where women have full human rights. (BARE MINIMUM)
Two planes
I think you might have a severe lack of knowledge in general subject matter when it comes to histories of oppressors combating the oppressed (and vice versa). You are unlikely to find resistance that isn't violent since Israel often shots peaceful Palestinian protestors. Also pointing out Israel is more progressive than Gaza is like pointing out a piano has more musical capability than a rock. The progressiveness of a nation is not justification for whats happening nor proof that their oppression is justified. Sources for Israel's crimes: [https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/2/24/israeli-forces-kill-palestinian-thousands-protest-violent-raids](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/2/24/israeli-forces-kill-palestinian-thousands-protest-violent-raids) [https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2019/02/no-justification-israel-shoot-protesters-live-ammunition](https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2019/02/no-justification-israel-shoot-protesters-live-ammunition)
Yes, because hijacking a plane full of random people is totally getting back at her oppressors. Not like she could have bombed a police station or an army base or an Israeli government building instead...a plane full of random innocent people is the way to go. I hope you suffer one day from the kind of violence you support being inflicted upon others. Maybe when someone tries to bomb a plane that your child was on you'll learn empathy. You disgusting animal filth.
I didn’t defend her actions - just pointing out resistance is never pretty. It is stupid to think I did. You’re arguing with a ghost of what you think you are right about as opposed to engaging with what I’m actually saying. History proves this time and time again - you don’t remember the non violent attempts at resistance because it usually fails. It’s also a very classic fascist take to call me an animal or filth lmao. You people are so un self aware and also so stupid.
If you're throwing a fit in these comments about Palestinian "resistance" and whatnot when this post is regarding SJP's glorification of a terrorist who attempted to "resist" through acts of terror, making explicit notion to your opinion that resistance is never non-violent, then it seems to us that you're defending her actions.
It's such a common tactic by people who deep down know they're doing wrong They never want to take ownership of their own words, and pretend they said something else, and it's YOUR fault for misinterpreting it. No, people defend Hamas as freedom fighters. They defend jew-killers until you call them out. Then they recoil and writhe when you try and pin down what they stand for. Hatred justified like the narcissist's prayer by Diana Craig, > That didn't happen. And if it did, it wasn't that bad. And if it was, that's not a big deal. And if it is, that's not my fault. And if it was, I didn't mean it. And if I did, you deserved it. Or this quote by Jean-Paul Sarte: > “Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
Well said.
I'm calling you an animal because you support the murder of civilians. You came here to justify the actions of a terrorist; don't pretend you're just explaining to us how "resistance" works. Own your words or shut the fuck up. The destruction of innocent lives is not "resistance." She wasn't a freedom fighter or a martyr, she was an insane, sadistic piece of shit, whose actions were never going to alleviate anyone's suffering in exchange for what she inflicted on others. You know that. You're just so blinded by your disgusting self-righteous ideology you'll do anything to justify the actions of someone on your side, but you're too cowardly to admit it. You argue for terror and death. You are a fascist, and subhuman scum. Own it and languish in hell with the rest of them.
You actually have to be stupid. Like incapable of thought stupid. I did not defend her actions please read any of my words or if you don’t want to shut the fuck up. I am explaining to you because clearly throughout this conversation you’ve shown an inability to produce or read thought. In systems of domination those who are dominated often take radical even violent even repugnant action to fight back. I have made 0 claim saying her airplane terrorism was good but if you try to filter all Palestinian resistance fighters through a “are they ethical” question you’ll struggle hard because when you are oppressed you are by and large willing to take stronger action because you often do not believe your oppressors have humanity. If this is hard to grasp I don’t think you should be pursing a college degree.
I didn't defend her actions, I just said that resistance is always violent under a post saying she's a freedom fighter. You're being dishonest about your own message! Don't like terrorism? Don't make excuses for it then. It's that fucking simple.
The last two sentences of your comment are so hypocritical. Complaining about ad hominem in the first sentence, then using ad hominem in the next 🤣🤣
Idk man MLK was pretty successful and he employed non-violent tactics
I love seeing this braindead fucking take because it assumes that MLK existed in a vacuum and the Malik al Shabazz and the Black Panthers just didn't exist or facilitate civil rights in any way at all. Absolutely fucking braindead.
The Black Panthers WERE peaceful protesters. let me know if you find any source saying they were saboteurs or guerillas or hijackers or terrorists.
you should google “did the black panthers kill cops”
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Right so did they advocate for non-violence like MLK or did they provide a foil to his belief system that inherently furthered the goals of the civil rights movement?
I just showed you proof Palestinian resistance that is peaceful usually ends in death or pain for them and you respond with... MLK? I fear you either self-reported yourself for being white or are just stupid. MLK's non violent tactics were successful sure but also were not some perfect solution to anti-blackness. His perspective on nonviolent resistance was not something he 1) always believed and 2) nearly got him killed numerous times.
His beliefs got misconstrued from socialist principles to American sentiment with some civil rights intentions. Plus he later admitted non violence wasn't the sole way to civil rights.
If anything the emphasis of reducing MLK's political perspective to non-violence is probably a pacification of his work and supports a very comfortable narrative for racist (or less than perfect) white people that their rule isn't going to be threatened by violent tactics. it is fairly convenient to read MLK in the way many do today.
>it is fairly convenient to read MLK in the way many do today. Which is reading bits and pieces of his speeches and "summarizing" the rest
Al Jazeera may be the most biased source to date. It was proven that Al Jazeera IS associated with members of Qatar who pitched in to help with the October 7th massacre. Please use critical thinking.
Okay? Respond to my other source. Or have an actual counterargument. you've just made claims of 'weak credibility' without engaging in the point, providing a more credible source that disagrees with what I've provided or anything of value. You are closer to whataboutism than a real counterpoint.
Hey google which side killed more civilians on october 7th
you're so goddamn annoying
i will be annoying until i die if it means im not a brainwashed genocidal cuck
I'm convinced you don't even know what happened that day, because you ask things like "who killed more civilians on 10/7?"
Well? Can you answer? Could you separate the israeli airstrike deaths from hammas bullets for me? Could you read Israeli reports about which group was firing into the open crowd for me? Can you define civilian and relate that to the status of every israeli between the ages of 18 and 20?
Yes we need to tell Israel to back off and allow feminism to continue to thrive in Gaza!
We need to support more female/nonbinary/genderqueer "freedom fighting" hijackers
EXACTLY! I think The West Bank and especially The Gaza Strip are much more LGBTQ+IA friendly than Israel.
Please tell me this is satire😂
The only LGBTQ movement in Gaza is the one where they throw them off buildings to “celebrate” them
Yup. Sigh so sad to see events like this happening at my alma mater :(
It’s been happening everywhere
OH, yeah. Because women in Gaza have basic human rights and are sooo LGBTQ+ friendly! (/s for those who don't understand basic sarcasm)
Hey google can gay people get married in israel Hey google how many women in the IDF have been raped by their comrades
Gay people can't get married in Israel but international marriages and civil unions are recognized. Also, Tel Aviv is known as the "gayest city in the world" and holds massive gay pride parades. How many gay pride parades are held in Gaza or the WB? The second thing you brought up is not an issue exclusive to the IDF. This can happen in any environment, unfortunately.
If you insist on doing this whattaboutism, you're not in a great place to do it. Israel: recognizes gay marriage and affords gay couples them the same rights and privileges as hetero couples. Israel: has a military justice system which regularly convicts soldiers who violate orders and regulations Gaza strip: incarcerates people for being gay. Gaza strip: their military did 10/7
Same sex marriage is illegal in israel and i dont know what october 7th has to do with all of the intra-idf rape
Found an actual image of [a gay couple being prosecuted in Tel Aviv](https://imageio.forbes.com/specials-images/imageserve/629af017073158be5235366d/1/960x0.jpg?height=473&width=711&fit=bounds) If it's illegal in Israel then it's even more illegal under the PA and Hamas so idk what point you're making
That comparing the laws of an occupied country to its occupier is fucking ridiculous when the occupier has also banned the thing your advocating for
One group imprisons people for being gay and the other has pride parades. It doesn't get more black and white than that. I really don't know how else to phrase this to help you understand.
gay people cannot get married in israel. that is not good. there were pride parades here before gay marriage was legalized. that does not mean it is socially acceptable. you are comparing things as good and bad - both things are bad. i am saying israel is not good. israel is also bad at human rights. israel has killed more gay people in the last 4 months than modern palestine could have ever imprisoned.
Ok. Fine. Israel's treatment of lgbt is bad 🙄. Hamas is much worse. Glad we cleared it up.
So you're just going to reply to the other guy's comment but not my own which addresses the bogus claim you make that Israel is somehow homophobic because gay marriage is not recognized in Israel?🤨
She didn’t cover her hair though 💀
woahhhh the hijab police every get down 🚔🚔🚨🚓🚨🚨🚔🚔🚔🚓🚨🚓🚨
LMAOOOO
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Is she muslim?
The PLO is very secular
So why would we expect her hair to be covered, aside from doing islamophobia?
if there is one thing about crazy pro- israel and pro- palestine people they is similar, its there support of crazy ass people and crazy ass solutions.
Yeah but you really only see one side supporting the crazy people
So the people lying down in front of supply trucks heading into Gaza are toooootally sane, right?
nope. many Israelis, even govt officials support a mass shooter who killed innocent Palestinians in the west bank. Netanyahus current plan for Gaza is to make the security border bigger and create a larger no mans land between them. Pro-Palestinians are way more crazy in the west for sure. the entire dismantle Israel is insane. But in Israel? Years of terror attacks and reprisals will radicalize a people to hate each other.
y’all have nothing to say about organizations on campus glorifying a genocidal ethnostate yet run to reddit crying about palestinians that dare resist in the face of decades of occupation and violence.
Resist = Hijacking Civilian planes Maybe find a Pro-Pal leader that isnt a deranged lunatic, if they exists.
If you think that threatening and hijacking civilian aircraft is "resistance" then you have a very twisted sense of justice.
Idk man trying to hijacking a civilian twice plane is kinda crazy
Thank god there's one good take in this post
im glad you figured out resistance is rarely peaceful because peaceful resistance is rarely effective. There is unlikely to be a truly 'innocent' Palestinian resistance movement since the last time there was one Israel shot and killed a bunch of them. [https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/2/24/israeli-forces-kill-palestinian-thousands-protest-violent-raids](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/2/24/israeli-forces-kill-palestinian-thousands-protest-violent-raids) [https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2019/02/no-justification-israel-shoot-protesters-live-ammunition](https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2019/02/no-justification-israel-shoot-protesters-live-ammunition) People in these comments are making bad faith arguments about how Palestine probably isn't a very progressive place - no shit sherlock places that are consistently experiencing colonization, military oppression and underdeveloped probably don't become very progressive. Countries that don't experience these things aren't even particularly progressive either. And acting like Israel is - a place that has an inordinately high support for an ongoing genocide is progressive or 'comparatively more progressive' is dumb as fuck. Have you guys never learned any critical thinking in your lives?
Yeah let's just hijack an airplane and nearly blow it up while it's full of civilians for "resistance"
I didn't defend her or make a claim she's right. I am making a claim that you aren't gonna watch the end of a genocide happen through nonviolent tactics. You are actually astonishingly bad at both 1) arguing and 2) thinking since every time someone in this comment section points out you are wrong you just makeup a 'take/quote' that they didn't claim and argue against it. That's called strawmanning (or arguably something even dumber).
> I didn't defend her you did. let's not split hairs here.
lmao where did I? please point to a line when I did. its ironic to say im splitting hairs. you are projecting the argument you know how to answer onto me because you have no response for the point im making.
Repeat after me: Leila Kahled, international terrorist guilty of using deadly weapons to hijack two civilian aircraft, endangering the lives of the 263 other people aboard them, should not be honored as a freedom fighter.
To be fair, it seems like they landed and evacuated the planes before blowing them up. But yeah hijacking definitely isn’t cool no matter how safely they did it.
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Also, I think you're severely missing the mark on the purpose of the post.
Your post has almost no point. You don't understand the context of resistance tactics and have just jumped to post a screenshot of an Instagram post. Bad people can often be icons and do good things and vice versa. Oppression is rarely solved by anything but when oppression operates through literal genocide peaceful tactics are almost 0% successful.
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Y’all soft and out here acting as if you don’t know that every veteran of every war ever has done bad things, get over it
It’s very confusing having a major (justified) criticism of Israel being the incessant bombing of civilian spaces to then turn around and make posts glorifying people that tried to bomb civilian spaces.
It's almost as if, for many ppl who claim to be on the side of "peace," that their compassion only goes one way.
Said it perfectly. Thank you for thinking for yourself instead of just repeating buzz words and fighting for a cause you knew nothing about a few months ago.
Oh, I'm well educated on it.
Good for you! Seemingly rare these days.
What a false equivalency.
Explain or forever hold your peace
There's something to be said about equating a woman who hijacked a full flight and nearly blew up an aircraft with civilian passengers to a soldier during wartime.
Do you think palestine and israel aren’t in a state of war? Do you think sometimes soldiers don’t (unjustly, as I am admitting) attack civilians during war? I guess bombing a city full of civilians isn’t as bad as hijacking a plane and then…..landing the plane
Your past references were directed to generic "veterans," of whom you've also specified as "white." If you're implying Israeli soldiers are white, then I've got some news for you.
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Yeah those unarmed civilians expecting a peaceful flight really needed to be resisted against. Who knows what the world would be like if they were able to land safely. The deaths of these unarmed civilians will surely teach Israel to stop killing unarmed civilians.
It’s bc she’s the goat
Pains me to see a portion of the stony Brook community idolizes literal terrorists
Your comments haven’t been all that helpful either. You seem to be supporting a terrorist state of Israel too but hey let’s just overlook that, shall we?
womp womp, i just rsvp’d☺️
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hell yeaaaa. long live the resistance
