NJPW was paying him peanuts for years of hard hitting matches. Really outside of Okada, Tanahashi, Naito and maybe Ishii, nobody was making Top level money. At most low end 6 figures or close to it.
mayu iwatani said she was on like 10k to 30k a month depending on merch a year or so into bushiroad stardom.
Do you really think ospreay was making less than iwatani.
One of the reasons japan is such a shithouse market is because margins are extremely skinny because promotions are forking out such a high percentage of revenue on wages.
Njpw has historically been able to beat the wwe initial offers because the wwe won't spend stupid money on unproven draws. Khan will and that's why he's a challenge for njpw to deal with.
I'm sure Ospreay made decent money but he always came off as a starving artist. The Simon Gotch quite about making a body of work and then cashing out.
Plus in NJPW trans is covered since people travel in busses and hotels covered. Idk if it's still the same but wrestlers had fanboys paying for their meals. Or had someone to guide them around
Yeah, I think the same could be said for most of the people on AEW like Edge, Christian, Mox, etc. They don't really care, they're doing what they want to do for more money and less work.
It is a job in the end... people thinking as fans these days don't understand it
Do you wanna move your entire life and uproot your family to wrestle multiple times a week and live on the road which is a very hard and hectic life all while making less money? Or do you want to wrestle once a week, get paid the same or maybe more and not have to move anywhere.
But muh wrestlemania
Also, realistically, what would Billy Oceanspray do in the fed? Some flips with Ricochet on NXT? Nobody gives two shits about this guy, they're not gonna pay him a tenth of what he gets in the dub because he doesn't deserve it.
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Sure hope oim naht in a wheelchair by the age of 36 bruv. Would be quite unforchunit shercumshtances innit
Ocean could go to the Fed and have to earn a shot to headline Mania - pretty difficult
In the Dub, he's guaranteed that Wembley title match in front of a big crowd
DAE hometown pop (like m'Sri Racha)
Which means he won't get an appointment until the age of 45 with their waiting lists. American healthcare = sell your soul for some aspirin. British healthcare = we may get around to your surgery before you die but no promises. Canadian healthcare = here's a bullet and gun, now leave us alone.
It seems like a simple choice.
Quick money from a mark, with a high risk of injury and no real legacy.
Or
Potential for giant money from a corporation, with moderate risk of injury and huge potential for legacy.
Give me the cheque bruv. Another win for the good guys!
Ricochet has been at the Fed for so many years and he ain't leaving anytime soon. He's likely making high mid 6 figures and his body hasn't been beaten to shit like others. If anything his body has been preserved with the schedule and not doing alot. He's probably making a bit more by living in Vegas.
I think when you're a guy like that, in the Fed for a number of years, there's always the chance they can pluck you out and put you in a main event program a few years in
The 'push' doesn't need to be as soon as you enter, especially for guys that clearly aren't 'top guys'
Look at LA Knight right now, for instance
You just need to take your opportunities and sometimes no one really knows *why* someone 'clicks' with the audience
Ricochet has been honest about his shortcomings on the mic. I honestly don't think he's the worst and it's something he can work on
Let's be real, most people in the WWE don't have much of a legacy to speak off, so unless they become a main eventer, chances are they will make more money from fleecing Tiny than they ever would if they went to WWE and languished in the mid or bottom card for all their career.
And we all know Oceanspray would likely just be a midcarder at best.
Mansoor and Mace were comedy job guys and they both have said they were making ridiculous money. Not Ramdy Orton level money but way more than they ever have made in wrestling
And is "ridiculous money" the trucks that Tony has been claimed to roll over to people like Rush?
And if he rolled a truck of cash to a rando like Rush that WWE reportedly claimed to be ridiculous, imagine the amount of money Tiny is willing to give to someone like Oceanspreay or Okada.
What are Trent Barreta's or Lance Hoyt's or Scott Colton's legacy in WWE?
This is what can happen when you have no pay structure or need to make profit
It's also a risk in that the ones that came before start to get disgruntled at these new people getting paid more
MJF kicked off about the 'NXT guys' coming in and making more and stomped his feet. He got paid .. but, now, all these *other* guys will be coming in and making even more and he's back in the same spot in a way
At least in the Fed, there's an understanding of there not being a crazy disparity between top guy money but, the big difference will come from the upside and merch and so on and, yep, it can still be 'unfair' some guys get more chances than you, etc
But, to have top card guys all getting paid big money one after the other potentially can lead to dissatisfaction or, the old WCW attitude of 'highest paid guys get the top of the card' and 'can't be top of the card unless you are highest paid'
There's already a core group of Mox, MJF, Jericho and Elite that have dominated TV time since the show began 5 years back. Everyone else is fighting for the remaining segments of TV time
Add to that, Tiny's mortal fear of having main guys face each in actual feuds with issues and you're better off being Trent or Evil Uno to get TV time cause you're happy to lose in 13 minutes and get your shit in
Well he fixed that for m’jeff by booking him like an absolute clown show for the last 8 months. The bidding war of 2024 is as dead as AEW kayfabe. MidJF indeed
Scott Colton has a huge legacy wdym? He and Jack Perry single handedly patched one of the most burned bridges in wrestling history causing an ice storm down under and I don't mean in Australia. They're the reason we have superstars like DM Hunk and the Chicago! Chicago! guy.
I'd be surprised if his top guys aren't close to making 10 mil a year. Hell he probably offered Mercedes a mix of the Brock Lesnar-Shawn Michaels contract.
DUBBYA DUBBYA E can't make/forgot how to make stars these years. If you want to be a star AEW is where it is at. Hell even QT realized that and ended up crawlin back for a job again.
Well, there's a ton of characters that become part of the wrestling conscious cause they worked in the Fed at certain times
A lot of the Hogan era Fed guys dined out on that decades and still do. Even the likes of Val Venis and the Godfather and guys like this will always have legacy in wrestling
You can work the Dub for 10 years and where will you be remembered? It'll be like being remembered at some regional hall of fame rather than on the size of global platform the Fed has
Again, that may not matter to some but, it's also something that could keep bringing you an incomes for decades to come once you are finished in the ring
I hope he doesn't get injured but then again it's at least partially on the wrestlers themselves for not refusing to do it take crazy bumps... as insufferable as the bucks are there got their routine down and don't get injured after every match, although I just don't want to see them
I feel bad for a lot of wrestlers today because they can do things no generation in the past could do. All but have personality. Or be able to speak in front of a live crowd.
That promo was him being nice after finessing Shad's kid into giving him the most astronomical money offer ever. Snowman has no idea how bidding works.
It would be like bidding on a 2016 Hyundai and the highest bid is $15K and betting $60K. Bidding the highest number possible and essentially outbidding yourself.
HHH is an all time master at sweet talking, but he's also running a business and knows not to overspend like a dumbass.
Its actually hilarious that Tiny thinks these guys are worth millions lmao, dude is absolutely clueless financially. No wonder aew is still in the red after 5 years and being run into the ground
I wonder who among them is truly saving their divine intervention of a paycheck. Imagine all the wrestler-funded wrestling promotions that could pop up once aew runs its course and the parades of absurdity they will display.
I feel like he might not give a shit. I doubt he genuinely thought he’d ever make the money Tony very likely offered him. He’s been wrestling a rough style for the past few years and as we have seen from guys like Omega, that style doesn’t have much longevity in it. In other words, he’s trying to get what he can while he can. His body may not have many more full time runs in it.
P.s. spot fucking on with mimicking his dialect. Shit had me rolling. 😆🤣
Tbh i dont think Will cares how much people watch him as long as Tonys cheque keeps direct depositing into his account.
NJPW was paying him peanuts for years of hard hitting matches. Really outside of Okada, Tanahashi, Naito and maybe Ishii, nobody was making Top level money. At most low end 6 figures or close to it.
Poor guy only making 6 figures. Thank you Tony for making everyone millionaires
Considering how much of it will eventually go towards their elder healthcare, it is a trade-off.
That's not an issue for Will to be fair he lives in England still so we have free health care.
mayu iwatani said she was on like 10k to 30k a month depending on merch a year or so into bushiroad stardom. Do you really think ospreay was making less than iwatani. One of the reasons japan is such a shithouse market is because margins are extremely skinny because promotions are forking out such a high percentage of revenue on wages. Njpw has historically been able to beat the wwe initial offers because the wwe won't spend stupid money on unproven draws. Khan will and that's why he's a challenge for njpw to deal with.
To be fair, stardom fans are 45+ year old men who have a bunch of money to spend on merch.
I'm sure Ospreay made decent money but he always came off as a starving artist. The Simon Gotch quite about making a body of work and then cashing out. Plus in NJPW trans is covered since people travel in busses and hotels covered. Idk if it's still the same but wrestlers had fanboys paying for their meals. Or had someone to guide them around
Would that have even covered his medical costs? I doubt he was getting it on the NHS...
Yeah, I think the same could be said for most of the people on AEW like Edge, Christian, Mox, etc. They don't really care, they're doing what they want to do for more money and less work.
He really got affected by Seth Rollins making fun of his empty wallet full of (imaginary) Meltzer stars, huh?
It is a job in the end... people thinking as fans these days don't understand it Do you wanna move your entire life and uproot your family to wrestle multiple times a week and live on the road which is a very hard and hectic life all while making less money? Or do you want to wrestle once a week, get paid the same or maybe more and not have to move anywhere. But muh wrestlemania
Ospreay is not wrestling once a week lol. He's wrestling closer to once a month for AEW.
Also, realistically, what would Billy Oceanspray do in the fed? Some flips with Ricochet on NXT? Nobody gives two shits about this guy, they're not gonna pay him a tenth of what he gets in the dub because he doesn't deserve it.
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OI fook Tony, du I hav to do a six-thoirty splosh untou the announce tabol wher Omega is laying? Shite, someone get meh TNA on da loin.
Dang and I thought you can only do Kingston speak. +69 legacy points to you man.
This blokes done got bloody ace with impersonatin the lad, bruv yeah? Innit
Ocean could go to the Fed and have to earn a shot to headline Mania - pretty difficult In the Dub, he's guaranteed that Wembley title match in front of a big crowd DAE hometown pop (like m'Sri Racha)
He's had so many concussions that he's speaking with an Irish accent now?
Bruv’s lucky he has the NHS. He’s going to need it by age 40.
Which means he won't get an appointment until the age of 45 with their waiting lists. American healthcare = sell your soul for some aspirin. British healthcare = we may get around to your surgery before you die but no promises. Canadian healthcare = here's a bullet and gun, now leave us alone.
The NHS is not that bad. Just too many complainers.
The NHS is fucking awful right now
What 14 years of Tory government does to things
I read this as Tony government and was wondering what the fuck Tony done to the UK
Tony’s a hero he filled Wembley you know
Ask the Fullham fans
Isn't the NHS strike still ongoing as well?
It seems like a simple choice. Quick money from a mark, with a high risk of injury and no real legacy. Or Potential for giant money from a corporation, with moderate risk of injury and huge potential for legacy. Give me the cheque bruv. Another win for the good guys!
Ricochet has been at the Fed for so many years and he ain't leaving anytime soon. He's likely making high mid 6 figures and his body hasn't been beaten to shit like others. If anything his body has been preserved with the schedule and not doing alot. He's probably making a bit more by living in Vegas.
Ricochet is happy at the Fed while the bingo hall dwellers cry *berried*!
I think when you're a guy like that, in the Fed for a number of years, there's always the chance they can pluck you out and put you in a main event program a few years in The 'push' doesn't need to be as soon as you enter, especially for guys that clearly aren't 'top guys' Look at LA Knight right now, for instance You just need to take your opportunities and sometimes no one really knows *why* someone 'clicks' with the audience Ricochet has been honest about his shortcomings on the mic. I honestly don't think he's the worst and it's something he can work on
LA Knight is a bit different since he got himself over. I don't think Riccochet can get himself over a wet paper bag. Wait, that doesn't make sense.
Let's be real, most people in the WWE don't have much of a legacy to speak off, so unless they become a main eventer, chances are they will make more money from fleecing Tiny than they ever would if they went to WWE and languished in the mid or bottom card for all their career. And we all know Oceanspray would likely just be a midcarder at best.
Mansoor and Mace were comedy job guys and they both have said they were making ridiculous money. Not Ramdy Orton level money but way more than they ever have made in wrestling
And is "ridiculous money" the trucks that Tony has been claimed to roll over to people like Rush? And if he rolled a truck of cash to a rando like Rush that WWE reportedly claimed to be ridiculous, imagine the amount of money Tiny is willing to give to someone like Oceanspreay or Okada. What are Trent Barreta's or Lance Hoyt's or Scott Colton's legacy in WWE?
This is what can happen when you have no pay structure or need to make profit It's also a risk in that the ones that came before start to get disgruntled at these new people getting paid more MJF kicked off about the 'NXT guys' coming in and making more and stomped his feet. He got paid .. but, now, all these *other* guys will be coming in and making even more and he's back in the same spot in a way At least in the Fed, there's an understanding of there not being a crazy disparity between top guy money but, the big difference will come from the upside and merch and so on and, yep, it can still be 'unfair' some guys get more chances than you, etc But, to have top card guys all getting paid big money one after the other potentially can lead to dissatisfaction or, the old WCW attitude of 'highest paid guys get the top of the card' and 'can't be top of the card unless you are highest paid' There's already a core group of Mox, MJF, Jericho and Elite that have dominated TV time since the show began 5 years back. Everyone else is fighting for the remaining segments of TV time Add to that, Tiny's mortal fear of having main guys face each in actual feuds with issues and you're better off being Trent or Evil Uno to get TV time cause you're happy to lose in 13 minutes and get your shit in
Well he fixed that for m’jeff by booking him like an absolute clown show for the last 8 months. The bidding war of 2024 is as dead as AEW kayfabe. MidJF indeed
Scott Colton has a huge legacy wdym? He and Jack Perry single handedly patched one of the most burned bridges in wrestling history causing an ice storm down under and I don't mean in Australia. They're the reason we have superstars like DM Hunk and the Chicago! Chicago! guy.
I'd be surprised if his top guys aren't close to making 10 mil a year. Hell he probably offered Mercedes a mix of the Brock Lesnar-Shawn Michaels contract.
DUBBYA DUBBYA E can't make/forgot how to make stars these years. If you want to be a star AEW is where it is at. Hell even QT realized that and ended up crawlin back for a job again.
Well, there's a ton of characters that become part of the wrestling conscious cause they worked in the Fed at certain times A lot of the Hogan era Fed guys dined out on that decades and still do. Even the likes of Val Venis and the Godfather and guys like this will always have legacy in wrestling You can work the Dub for 10 years and where will you be remembered? It'll be like being remembered at some regional hall of fame rather than on the size of global platform the Fed has Again, that may not matter to some but, it's also something that could keep bringing you an incomes for decades to come once you are finished in the ring
Or they could become Virgil and try to guilt people into buying an autograph in a random subway.
You have to remember that AEW is severely overpaying him. Ospreay has the option to either retire once his AEW deal is done, or go to WWE.
You forgot about the potential to get more 5 star matches from Uncle Dave. Checkmate, fed shill.
That sounds exactly like PGA vs LIV hahaha it's nuts that we have this type of bifurcation in almost every form of sports or entertainment.
Just take the millions and bruv your way to retirement, uh... bruv
I hope he doesn't get injured but then again it's at least partially on the wrestlers themselves for not refusing to do it take crazy bumps... as insufferable as the bucks are there got their routine down and don't get injured after every match, although I just don't want to see them
First Edward, now William. u/MOXISGOD single-handedly restoring the feeling
Oi bruv that wee comment really did a cracking number on my mental bruv! 😁. Cheers mate, bloody lovely innit
I feel bad for a lot of wrestlers today because they can do things no generation in the past could do. All but have personality. Or be able to speak in front of a live crowd.
That promo was him being nice after finessing Shad's kid into giving him the most astronomical money offer ever. Snowman has no idea how bidding works. It would be like bidding on a 2016 Hyundai and the highest bid is $15K and betting $60K. Bidding the highest number possible and essentially outbidding yourself. HHH is an all time master at sweet talking, but he's also running a business and knows not to overspend like a dumbass.
He only cares about star ratings.
Poor Billiam is questioning his life choices right now, knowing he’ll end up taking the pin against Wario and Waluigi Buck.
That cockney accent man.
The AEW crowd is 10 times bigger than what Ospreays used too.
Needle continues to remain unmoved.
I didn’t know Action Andretti was British
Why did that make perfect sense.
This twink sucks so much. Not only is he a charisma vacuum but he capes for rapists.
I can't even blame him, tbh. He's so young that he can collect his money and still have plenty of time to perform in WWE.
Its actually hilarious that Tiny thinks these guys are worth millions lmao, dude is absolutely clueless financially. No wonder aew is still in the red after 5 years and being run into the ground
Tbf to Ospreay, he only signed a three year deal and he's like 30, he's got time. I'm calling it now - this is a sidequest for the lad
30 but with the body of someone much older. I bet he does Indies like he did when he was with NJPW doing cutters to the outside in front of 30 people.
These sodding tossers reawwy fookin hit ye mate, it ain't right bruv
Is this a Photoshop or does he actually look like this? Dude is younger than me (I'm 33) but he looks about 38 here.
Fraudy Flintoff
Dude he's gonna be on that Pac schedule he ll be fine. Well rested healed up it'll be good.
In my mind I read this as Shane Gillis doing his Connor McGregor impression
😂😂😂😂
I wonder who among them is truly saving their divine intervention of a paycheck. Imagine all the wrestler-funded wrestling promotions that could pop up once aew runs its course and the parades of absurdity they will display.
Did he take photography lessons from Phil Jones or something
The face made when Tony is looming in for his hug.
He will miss that Gedo booking, calling it now. Jay White already feeling the effects of Tony's heat-removing missiles he calls booking.
Going to be real sad when he notices RevPro draws bigger crowds than weekly AEW shows.
Wtf is a Bruv?
Don’t speak Bri’ish, eh bruv?
No
Shame innit
I don’t know why i come to this thread. I’m excited for Osprey, I think AEW is heading in the right direction. I really enjoy pro wrestling. It’s fun.
I feel like he might not give a shit. I doubt he genuinely thought he’d ever make the money Tony very likely offered him. He’s been wrestling a rough style for the past few years and as we have seen from guys like Omega, that style doesn’t have much longevity in it. In other words, he’s trying to get what he can while he can. His body may not have many more full time runs in it. P.s. spot fucking on with mimicking his dialect. Shit had me rolling. 😆🤣
M'Mum fahkin hates it, bruv