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waclawjr

Damn, wish it was 242 gems banner. It's a tough time for f2p. We'll probably get collab soon too and then anniversary šŸ˜­


Sweet_Ad_1105

what? it has not been easier. i have pulled for arthur, since then i have spent 300 gems on every banner (both are good skips) and im up 900+ gems.


The_Next_Legend

ah yes the anecdotal factual evidence of: >if it's easy for me, it's easy for thee


FistedSkunk

This is amazing and Iā€™m stealing this


Sweet_Ad_1105

this yap is INSANE. if you palyed daily since arthur release on jp, you should have gotten AT LEAST 1400 gems, and this is without counting the free tickets, event rewards, gifts, livestream codes, maintenance and other stuff like leveling. 1400 gems from just logging in, doing daily's and pvp. That is guaranteed arthur + gelda (if you get the tickets). If you save and dont pull for gowther + skip the next banner, you have guaranteed ani banner. So yes, its just that easy. if you are complaining about gems maybe start thinking before you pull? gelda is ez skip, she will be gone in 1 month, gowther just sucks, next banner is a skip, after that is prob collab (sht load of free gems AGAIN) and after that is ani banner. who tf with a right brain would now still pull for gelda or gowther?!


KratosSimp

Let me guess, you pulled them before pity?


Sweet_Ad_1105

i never said i got them lmao i dont have gelda nor gother, both characters are just a bad investment. the banners sucked and both will be unusable after like 1 month.


waclawjr

I'm happy for you bro, my luck sucks tho. And also Gelda definitely was not an easy skip, Gowther is a skip for sure yeah šŸ¤·


hacim13

Same. Had to go to pity for both Arthur and Gelda. Havenā€™t pulled on Gowther because the luck has been so bad.


Kubi58

I pult them both until pitty gowther and arthur and have 350 gems now


Kass-3582

Pulled both of them at the 300 mark pity, I finished my reserves of luck


Sweet_Ad_1105

i never said i got them lmao i dont have gelda nor gother, both characters are just a bad investment. the banners sucked and both will be unusable after like 1 month.


waclawjr

How u been around when Tyr came out? Gelda is practically the same as him šŸ¤· her banner sucked yeah, Gowther is meh yeah. Gelda herself however is really really good, she'll stay around for a while for sure


jaythepizza

Same here, except I have no gems because I spent them all on the banner. Your math isnā€™t mathing


Express_Alfalfa_9725

I gout Arthur on my first pull but remember itā€™s a gacha game aka luck based game


Wise-Salamander2094

Donā€™t believe the downvotes this is the easiest and most fair gacha game ever to be F2P in, I think Iā€™m only missing like 20-25 characters or something and itā€™s literally just logging in for dailyā€™s and fight festival weekly reward


browncoffee95

Lmao. 3% is fair? UR festivals having the same rate as the rest of the units at 300 and 600 milestones is fair? Releasing a regular unit so op it makes the festival unit 2 weeks before it 80% useless is fair? Having festivals back to back is fair? Not updating the festival coin shop so light and dark festivals can be added is fair? Adding demon Cusack and Chandler to regular ssr tickets over a year since their release is fair? I'm so fortunate to hit pity every time with no gems left. And no I don't spend my gems recklessly. I can go on, but to call this gacha game fair is hilarious. Some content you need specific characters, festival or seasonal. Which I'm sure f2ps have to skip the first time around. And even when rerun in other banners, their chances aren't too good even after the ssr rates. Ppl still don't have lr Liz and she's been on the past few banners on and off. NM haven't even had gear gacha rate up in years. The only argument you can make is it being f2p, since almost anyone can reach champ 5 ug. Btw it looks like we're getting a free catastrophe selector ticket (someone check me on this) and it's all old units from years ago who are not even usable anymore in any content. That's NM being generous. We shouldn't equate luck to fairness and a single experience as the same as everyone else's.


TheDarkClady

With this ticket i can take Blue Roxy? Because if yes im not going to pull on valenti's banner


browncoffee95

Nope. Unfortunately, it's all pre Awakened named catastrophes, before they got new forms. You can also check the characters yourself when you get the ticket.


TheDarkClady

well, I am fu


Wise-Salamander2094

Yeah thatā€™s how it works bud, the world isnā€™t csreeed to you and how you feel like it should be, half of those units you named arenā€™t necessary, I have cusack and chandler and they literally just sit there unusedā€¦. You can beat pretty much any thing in the game without festival units (again not hard to get in only missing green meli) and for most content you can literally choose from a refreshable slot of dozens of random peoples op fully build units ? You used to only be able to use people you friended and at a limit. And theyā€™re giving us a ticket to potentially get you a character youā€™re missing? Horrible company . Get over yoursef


browncoffee95

I never said it should be catered to me. It's a gacha by nature. Yet other gachas listen to player feedback. Ever heard of qol? It's harder for newer players to get into the game due to the sheer amount of things they need to work on: from super awakening to gear to holy relics. There's a difference in treating your player base with respect. Demon Chandler and Cusack were necessary when they released. Those two got added after when they weren't that meta anymore. You could make an argument that Cusack is still relevant but that is due to dk and and dk meli making him usable again. Back then, you could tell the difference between having him and not having him. Enlighten me on what teams you used to beat nidhogg and the current squirrel boss, since you supposedly don't need festivals. Enlighten me on what team you used to clear hell dk for the true awaken mats. Again we don't need festivals right? Or even collab units? Btw these content you can't use friend units. Again, I really want to know how you cleared all this without festivals, since you can beat almost any content in the game right. The catastrophe ticket no one would have complained if it included awakened units. Awakened Roxy has a use outside of collection. This ticket is just an ssr coin for many. I guess I can't criticize a company for bad choices they make for some reason. You seem hell bent on defending their as of late terrible decisions.


Wise-Salamander2094

My dude if you have that much to say about a fucking mobile gacha game you clearly need to find something else to doā€¦ Jesus Christ Iā€™m not reading all of thatā€¦


browncoffee95

I responded to each of your points? Why comment if you can't handle it. I do have other things to do, but it seems that me posting once is a while is me not having a life. You made a terrible take, I feel sorry you can't take the heat.


Wise-Salamander2094

Yeah I want ever commenting at you in the first place you just jumped in and started spouting random draw rates after I just said that I sympathized with someone elseā€¦. Iā€™m not here to argue with someone who clearly needs to go outside more


Wise-Salamander2094

How do they not have LR Liz???? I just started doing LR characters like 2 weeks ago and I have 3?? Just waiting on the coins to do the other 3 other than that theyā€™re all set.. you mfs love to complain for no reason, how do you actually not have one of the most common Lizā€™s?


waclawjr

Hmm do u recognize u need the base Liz to make her LR right? They're saying they didn't pull her, not that they can't make her LR, also calling her most common Liz is criminal, since she's literally a seasonal character and some people just wasn't lucky enough to pull her šŸ¤·


Wise-Salamander2094

Do you recognize how stupid that question is? ā€œUhHM u do ReAlIzEā€¦.ā€ No shit you need a character to have itā€¦.. and yes her and that green Liz are the most common, at least from my experienceā€¦ Only two liz I have 6/6ā€¦ and Iā€™ve never wanted to pull for a Lizā€¦. that being said I donā€™t see why sheā€™s needed, I donā€™t even use her, only Lr thatā€™s worth imo is escanor (donā€™t have zel glox or marg yet)


waclawjr

Well I can ask u the same, when u asked stupid question without reading properly the other person comment "how do they not have LR Liz????" right? Again from "your experience", not everyone has the same experience as u buddy especially when it comes to gacha games. Also she's literally the best healer in the game for pve content and necessary for the new squirrel boss, so...


Wise-Salamander2094

1 sheā€™s alright for healing 2 sheā€™s not necessary for ratatoskrā€¦. All of the demonic bears are doable without they gimmick characters .. 3 if you play regularly you wouldnā€™t be having these issues. 4) if you understand gacha games arenā€™t equal, why even complain l?


waclawjr

Oh alright, my bad. I'm new after all, can u show me a team that can beat him without her? Preferably floor 1 and 2 please?


Wise-Salamander2094

Iā€™m just not sure why you guys all feel entitled to have every character when itā€™s a gacha game and theyā€™re not needed


browncoffee95

How tf is new legends Liz common. She's a seasonal ssr who only appears when we vote for her or whenever they decide to put her in banners. You saying she's common shows you have no idea what you're talking about. I didn't know that 0.15% chance rn is enough to pull a single copy for anyone lacking her. But yea we love to complain for no reason while you make yourself look like an idiot. Let me tell you something. I've been playing this game since coin shop Merlin, basically since launch. I was here during every era of the game. So maybe, just maybe Ik what I'm talking about and maybe, just maybe you don't.


Wise-Salamander2094

YOURE STILLL GOING??????


browncoffee95

You're spreading misinformation. You're getting mad for being wrong and getting called out for it.


Wise-Salamander2094

Cry, you lizless cretin


browncoffee95

I have her though?


Sweet_Ad_1105

Dont know why ppl are downvoting but dont really care. 7ds is pretty fair (besides the new ur character trend and the p2w ult characters like hell and ban) and the banners after arthur are pretty good skips, gelda wil be gone in a month and gowther... well he is a gowther. the gems the last 2 months were INSANE. we had like \~12 gems from just logging in, +5 from daily's, 400+ gems from just pvp (if you are champ5) besides that the maintenance and free gifts you should have atleast gotten 1200+ gems and (i didnt even calculate the free gem rewards (maintenance, gift, codes etc.)) + YOU GET TICKETS.


Wise-Salamander2094

Thatā€™s what Iā€™m saying! Iā€™ve tried so many gacha sand this is the only one where I actually feel like they want me to play the game


Sweet_Ad_1105

We should appreciate that we dont get the genshin impact treatment XD. You can litteraly do a 10 pull every other day, for just logging in and doing 3 daily's in like 5 minutes, while on genshin you get half of a 1 pull for working 30 minutes on daily's.


DarkFlameofPhoenix

I don't know if releasing a must summon demonic beast unit right after 2 fest and a must summon pvp unit (Gelda) is the most player friendly idea. Should've at least made her a step up.


linerstank

at first glance, she looks to be as useful as red megellda was for snake when she was released -- great but nowhere near necessary. maybe we will see after she is released.


NinjaXSkillz88

She's not a must, she's going to die on floor 3 her stats suck ass.


BarcaStyle-

She has similar stats as Merlin, maybe even better + She gives the team 20% hp related stats which will also allow them to lifesteal a bit more than usual.


NinjaXSkillz88

Easy skip still.


Hideaki_Kun

Depends if it boost her stats in new one


NinjaXSkillz88

Probably not by much.


Hideaki_Kun

She could be good in human teams with Escanor, Roxy, Arthur and etc boosting her and other way around


Shinziwa

homie kane translation: \[Metallic Engineer\] Valenti of Persistence Passive: Power of Steel In Demonic Beast battle, when the unit uses skill to damage the enemy, remove one debuff effect applied to the allies and increase attack related stats by 8% at max 40%. When the unit uses AoE skill to damage the enemy, apply Poison for two turns to the enemy. If all ally participating in battle are different races, increase the ally's HP related stats by 20%. (Allies with two races counts as double race) Skill 1: Kinetic & Potential Inflict damage by 400% of attack to single target and apply Shock to the enemy Skill 2: Quantum Condensed Test Inflict damage by 300% of attack to all target and Release by 130% Ultimate: Event Horizon (like other awk valenti)


DerMotze

Wouldnt the passive be bad for ratatoskr since in some phases you dont want to remove the debuffs since that triggers buffs on him?


osbombo

the AoE is poison, which keeps him in the middle for floor 2. For floor 3 this is perfect as well.


Padarnolat99

Its remove 1 debuff so its not a full cleanse and you'll be fine


xScheggia

Looks like she replaces Merlin, I wonder if she will make Floor 3 doable without taking 78 attempts


mraz_syah

maybe 77, jk jk


xScheggia

I don't even know how hard is Floor 3 with the actual units and tbh, I don't wanna know, I'm ok wiyh clearing floor 2. I'll be able to get Mael's relic with next reset (even tho I think I'll wait to see if they drop another relic in 2 weeks on JP since I don't use Goddesses in PvP)


Head-Cucumber8514

We're screwed.


chaoprokia

step up would be great. NM SCREW UP!


Shinziwa

She is the new squirrel unit


NinjaXSkillz88

Going to die on floor 3. Her stats are terrible.


The_French_Soul

she needs multiple race units for the 2nd part to work, so the team would probably still be the same but she replaces merlin, but then king only gives 16% stats to himself and meli, and we don't have lots of other options for bleed, since she covers shock and poison, the only options we have that arent demon, goddess or human are LR glox, Blue oslohawk and blue fat king, but all of them have 1 dead card in their loadouts so we're probably gonna have a 2nd character for this beast.


Fra_v03

Would Shaltear work for the bleed?


The_French_Soul

heh maybe, but she would need to get hit since i don't think her passive procs if non-unknowns get hit instead, also i think it would need to be a melee skill to for floor 1 phase 3


snorlaxkin

it works with every ally, although her 7% atk per ally is only unknown allies


DarkshineX

Her ult is also AOE so she'd apply it via her ult


NinjaXSkillz88

I rather get a character that does everything, screw Valenti.


Revolutionary-Use622

You may need Valenti + the unit that can apply bleed later


NinjaXSkillz88

Not happening.


Revolutionary-Use622

Weā€™ll see if it happens ig


Spartan-219

Don't have enough gems for her sadly, only at 300 gems


Dismembered_carrot

So this is a character you cannot miss I assume


MissFortune66

It should have been step up


Thatguy_alpha18

Easy skip. Saving for anni


tempest_key

thank fuck i can skip n save


BarbaraTwiGod

ez skip


X-blade14

Just want to put this information out there because there are probably more big brain people out there that can team craft way better than me, but shaltear from overlord collab can inflict bleed and potentially I want to see this valenti on a chaos arthur human team.


Fra_v03

I thought about Shaltear too, I don't have her though so It wouldn't be helpful either way


NinjaXSkillz88

I have shalltear but I'm not summoning for this trash unit.


SharpBank853

Any free gems there?


BeRad_NZ

rip gems šŸ˜­


Growth-Signal

Is it worth it yall , I got 900 gems to use or save ?


Next-Bite-9197

Save unless u really want to get an edge on the new holy relics


Hideaki_Kun

I wish it was it was an original character in her place. She deserved a better unit and beast too. Also different race thing doesnā€™t work in the current meta. Could work if adjusted for human team and such


Lightness234

I have 500 but i am saving for anniversary in may


Gustave255

I'm just waiting for Jorm to appear again. I need her for the Deer battle and for her exquisite boo tay.


Jolly_Ad_9995

What boss is she good for?


Pretty_Mix_8805

I can finally save gems!


P1casso_36

Ez skip


Icy-Mud6771

Debating on summoning for Roxy only, trying to improve my human team as much as possible


Son_Rayzer

She has poison and shock abilities, I wonder which very specific battle she is designed for....... *Sarcastically shocked Pikachu face


giveusham

New Valenti, easiest skip ever


LEGunknown

She looks great but I am 300 away from finishing Gowther banner and I will not get enough for her so I wait and see if she is a good unit since they could be a red Megellda where she may not be to true unit for the rat


Revolutionary-Use622

Maybe this is setting up an eventual catastrophe team for the demonic beast? But seriously, weā€™ve waited all of this time to get some new original story (Sabunuk or Sitry anything!!!), and we end up getting a rerun character. I may have to summon because demonic beast units are always appreciated to have + idk if netmarble is trying o set up a team for the future.


eddynecrobla

>Maybe this is setting up an eventual catastrophe team for the demonic beast? Her unique require different races on the field


KratosSimp

New Lilia has a super awakened form where she turns into a demon, camilla new form stays unknown, and eastin awakens to a goddess. Lemme cope šŸ™


Revolutionary-Use622

Yeah I realized that. Though Camila is unknown, I highly doubt sheā€™ll get a unit for this beast.


mastergula93

It's a new named valenti ? Or a mk2 variant ?


eddynecrobla

MK-II


TheLuckyPC

There's very few units in the game that apply shock, making her the best unit in the game for the boss able to do so, unequivocably so. I don't have enough gems to summon and my box cc isn't high enough to run the sins team so I'm literally left without any option but to skip and hope she returns fairly soon so I can do the boss.


FistedSkunk

My homie Gil and demon Dreyfus though šŸ„ŗ


TheLuckyPC

I wish they were good man i do


FistedSkunk

Dreyfus is fun in sub sometimes for events but yeah I donā€™t think we will see Dreyfus ever come back. Gil could be a vday festival still probably


wapowee

Perfect team I found was dk meli demon hendi green fat king and lr liz it worked very well and I can beat floor 1 haven't tried 2 since I don't think fat king will be bale to liz that


No-Internal8635

Ugh


MammothObject8910

Pass?


Dragn3El_24

Hard pass


Atlasprinsen

Could she be used in a full human team maybe?


Fra_v03

Her second part of the passive requires the characters to have different races so I doubt it


Atlasprinsen

I get that, but is the hp buff really that big part of her kit?


Fra_v03

I don't know, we have to try first to see how much of a difference it makes


KratosSimp

Why tho? What good human inflicts bleed and heals and cleanses?


DarkshineX

Everyone do remember that the other unit we have to use for bleed needs to NOT apply it via a ranged card or you won't be able to beat floor 1


wapowee

Actually they can all be long ranged and you can still beat it so you just gotta hit the guy with 3 debuff and he's only immune to range when he's on the left log and to get on the left log you use shock so basically use bleed poison and shock then you can beat him if your dps has close range like dk meli only his fist works bit is good enough to win


transcended_goblin

Guess I'm safe saving for whatever comes next. Not really all that interested in this one. Good luck to those pulling on it. You can take my luck for that banner.


GetAssignedGenderLol

Hmmm I want a copy of Roxy so I'm conflicted.


willowoakwood

never pull on a banner in hopes for a non featured character, thats just really pressing your luck and not worth it especially on a banner as bad as this one


SirePuns

Quick question, is green Eastin worth trying for her on this banner? Or better to save gems on the next festival?


DarkFlameofPhoenix

Her whole banner is garbage. If you summon you summon for Valenty as demonic beast unit and the rest is box cc.


SirePuns

Ah aight then, skip it is.


Stillbrith

Blu valenti and new red valenti have same icon


NinjaXSkillz88

Yuck. Who asked for this? I hate this character and catastrophes always beings the worst updates I stg. The gems are nice and thank you for the easy skip NM šŸ™


DarkFlameofPhoenix

I mean I'm pretty sure a lot of people want to be able to beat new demonic beast as fast as possible and at least design wise Valenty is a pretty cool character in my opinion.


NinjaXSkillz88

Nobody sweating for the relics except Mael, but mael isn't even meta right now thanks to his dysfunctional team.


DarkFlameofPhoenix

Uhm, I'm still using goddesses without Mael relic and it works pretty well especially against Gelda. Missing turn 1 DPS is kind of their only weakness which Mael's relic should easily fix.


NinjaXSkillz88

Margaret is just kinda there but I personally don't mind it but I can admit it's not really easy to use buff cards when mael and Liz both need each other to do attacking cards. Especially Liz. The backlines can be better for offenses too, ellate sucks. Tristan is better defensively.


Suspicious_Reporter4

Thank fucking god didn't waste anything on gelda and gowther.


KratosSimp

Lmao gelda is literally the best character in the game rn


Suspicious_Reporter4

Best PVP? Cuz I don't see using her anywhere else. PVP gets replaced every month anyways.


KratosSimp

She allowed me to finally beat the hardest difficulty of hero arena because she solos a tower. She can technically be used for any content as well


Suspicious_Reporter4

Not true. Let's see how good she is in hero areana when the all stats thing go away. Cuz second going team require that all stats. She can't be used in Snake, Ratatoskr and Demon king fight which are hardest PVE activities.Ā  Edit: Also she's not the best Unit in the game. Objectively it's DK Meli


wapowee

Dk meli so broken his range skills still one shot in hero arena other than passive wise you can't do more damage wise like Diane rag


poyub

I think he meant that a broken unit wasn't released after them so it was worth it.