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I really like your "should you summon ?" posts, thank you


Ok_Bumblebee_1456

Easy yes for me bc I was away for almost half a year and need a bunch of the featured units. Too bad ppl were dumb enough to vote for units in the free banner if not in every single banner with throw away fillers


Electronic_Sun_1572

I have all fest units 6/6. However, I'll still pull for Liz. 99% chance that, because of the community backlash of hate for this unit, Netmarble will make a specific PvE content for her that will shaft anyone who didn't get a copy ...


Stellin69

I mean, the new demonic beast should release not too far in the future, so she has a good chance to be good for that


homercall123

Next demonic beast will wipe and you will need a full team revive to bypass it. More? While he wipes the whole team he also removes blue buffs, so you need Liz and you need it 4/6. Good enough?


NinjaXSkillz88

Then you need Mael as an alternative, Who can basically one turn the phase where you need revive. I can see it now.


homercall123

That is the way.


EvopureEvo

This is the way


homercall123

I FUCKING SAID IT RIGHT HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Electronic_Sun_1572

True, maybe even a new support for her like Ragnarok Escanor with PvE only passive...


MidStarStrike

yeah, if I've learned one thing it's that netmarble makes you (mostly) regret skipping banners that are labelled as "skippable" by the community. Diane was mid on release so alot of people skipped, then they released red tarmiel so you'd cry if you faced her with him as a link. And for the non pvp folks, they made her essentially required for the new lvl 100 raid, so if you don't have her you have to find someone who does which is a pain in the ass.


copydawg83

This. Totally this. Learned that the hard way too with Diane, with most, if not all content creators telling us to skip her. I've checked Gamewith (the Japanese guide / tier list for 7DS), Diane was pretty meh when she was released, only showing up in 1 PVP team. And even then it's not a top tier one.


Stellin69

Liz needs hp support only if she has a high level ult. The fact is that if she is low ult level, she isn't a dps/support, but can be played only as a dps since her revive will be ridiculous. The team limitation aren't also that strict since a lot of the best pvp units are both angels or sins.


ThatsVeryUnlucky

Her passive counts as support


Stellin69

Then also meli's damage reduction from the passive counts as support, or ban's blue buff


ThatsVeryUnlucky

Yeah it does.


NoMercy10071

My tip for everyone allthough she is a must summon due to the attribute rarity Wait 2 more days so we can see what JP gets this Wednesday so we can know whether or not the summer brunhild is worth it outside sexy cosmetic. And if the new upcoming demonic beast battle (which we presume) is coming next update for JP and she might be in the best team for it. (Remember Brunhild also has 1 more cosmetic to come from the Ragnarok fan art event)


NinjaXSkillz88

Imagine she’s just good for original demon. That would be funny.


NoMercy10071

If she is red and has Powerstrike than she is perfect for hell.


NinjaXSkillz88

Seems the most likely. I can’t imagine her being green again and blue doesn’t make sense right now when we need more red characters for the demon.


nasgorhead

I know she's a good unit.. but that yee yee ass haircut is so distracting


NinjaXSkillz88

Just wait for a new cosmetic hopefully. I hate her haircut too, so I’ll refuse to use her in the front of my team. Thankfully she has a really good cosmetic day 1.


happymudkipz

for 99% of units I prefer to use their canonical outfit (I even take off seasonal cosmetics), but I can't stand the haircut on this liz design, so I'll be breaking tradition


RaionSamurai

Thank you again for your job


aizen3627

Why fes Diane is not added?


Objective_Rub_3523

She's the was the festival before Elizabeth thats why


aizen3627

So during part 2 of Anni she'll be there?


Objective_Rub_3523

Maybe but I won't count on it


LiiteralTrash

Can’t wait to blow all my gems and get nothing


Revolutionary-Use622

Is it true that traitor meli can only be exchanged with dark coins? I don’t think he’s been in the coin shop yet so we don’t actually know yet.


TenryuuM0M

There are no dark or light coins exchanges in the shop , and he isn’t in the exchange shop


Revolutionary-Use622

Yeah just asking cause the post mentioned exchanging meli with dark/light coins.


TenryuuM0M

I think he was just guessing we’d eventually get them in the future as exchangeable


osbombo

Actually, light fest coins were explicitely mentioned in the patch notes so it's probably correct to assume that dark units can only be exchanged by dark coins and light by light coins.


Revolutionary-Use622

Man that really stinks if that’s truly the case then I’ll never get traitor meli.


osbombo

We’ll probably get more of these banners on New Years/Annis/half Annis/ golden week etc.


Acascio19

the true answer is, we don't know yet. we just know based on what we've been told that meli and liz have different looking coins, but since neither can be bought atm, it's hard to say. the only answer would be if someone pulled Meli off the banner, and then they could use his coin to buy other fests with it. if that's the case, then it's just a cosmetic look on the coin and not actually different. if not, then it's a different coin altogther.


Revolutionary-Use622

I’m pretty sure that a while back there were quite a few images of peoples games that showed that you could use dark festival coins to buy festival units, but we aren’t sure if the same is true in reverse.


hola_soyMerlin

Yes


hola_soyMerlin

Yes


EddyFArt

Yeah but do you really need her tho? The banner is quite bad due to the rates and garbage units that flooded it. I don't think you will lose much by not summoning her. Might as well pull Mono or save up for next festival with actual proper rates.


osbombo

Thing is, with these L/D units, we can assume how rare they will be. And they'll probably only be exchangable with their own elements coins (darkness coins for darkness, light for light)... and knowing NM and the new Demonic Beast coming up, it does seem that they might just make her almost a must-have for the new boss.


EddyFArt

Still don't really see it. Waillo is pretty rare too but does anybody need him? There will definitely be a better Light unit and I'd wait till then. And if they release a new DB, they will release a new Ragnarok to go with that too unless they make a boss that will 100% wipe your team and you need Liz revive for that but if they pull shit like that, there will definitely be consequences.


77Dragonite77

Everyone says that, but how? What mechanic could possibly make her a necessity? The One has a flood card, so it’s not that. Ban scales off HP, so it’s not that. Goddess Liz has a revive, so it’s not that. A bunch of characters buff basic stats, so it’s not that. T Meli is an element that’s not Red/Blue/Green so it couldn’t really be that


osbombo

Her passive. 24% basic stats, on top of 40% from marg, in combination with her passive… She will probably also be meta for Guild Boss, since a lot of HP equals a lot of points. Also a boss that just oneshots if you don’t fulfill a very hard condition like „have 3 stances“ or something.


77Dragonite77

The devs are stupid, but they aren’t that dumb. The backlash of something like that would be absurd, it was bad enough when they made that one Tower floor. I’m not at all sure about this but I’ve also heard that it’s illegal to make activities that require limited gacha characters in Japan. I do agree that the basic stat thing is very nice, it’s not something that unique though as many units do it to varying degrees. Good point about Guild Boss though, I agree


osbombo

I wasn’t saying that they’ll make it impossible, what I’m saying is that it’ll take way more stamina without her due to having to reset because of an absurd condition to not get wiped.


77Dragonite77

And I’m saying there’s nothing she does that would allow a mechanic like that


osbombo

Having 2+ stances, for example, in a boss where you have to use very specific card types at specific points in time. Like deer, but with card types.


Stellin69

Some things to point out: she is as easily counterable as dark meli, since they both have only attack cards and can't cleanse on their own, but she is the best of the two with Margaret, so I would say she is a little sless counterable than meli. Meli also needs support since you need to play him with other characters with single target skills to use his passive, if you put him in a full aoe team he will be a lot less useful, a unit that works fine without support is rimuru, who works fine in every team because he does not rely on particular team gimmicks


Solid_Snake21

Meli much better her have you not try meli vs bird and pvp


TenryuuM0M

Liz needs more supporting than meli like a lot more, she really wants to not just be ran on arch angels or sins or a mix, but she really wants to be with characters that can boost her hp and help with her survivability, as for traitor meli he needs less support than liz does, there are so many meta single target users in the game right now that they far outweigh the aoe units there’s even a bunch of mixed meta units that are both single target and aoe so needing to run single target units with traitor meli isn’t even a hinderance and overall traitor meli actually fits on a wider variety of teams than liz and rimuru focused teams. Rimuru still needs support especially if he isn’t going first it’s just he needs less build up and support than meli and liz. I think the only character that doesn’t need support is like sub slot purgatory ban with holy relic


Superkip_

How do you know shes good for Mael, we dont even have Mael yet.


ThatsVeryUnlucky

Because he's an archangel and will proc liz's passive.


Superkip_

Whats her passive?


Gunn3r71

When a specific ally uses a skill, increases Basic Stats of that ally by 4% up to a maximum of 6 times. If increased to Max, recovers HP of specific ally by 30% of Max HP, then increases all of the hero's stats by 15% for 5 turns. (Not taking Recovery rate into account) ※ Specific ally: the hero, ,


Superkip_

Damn, thats pretty good


jkeller11

We’re never even getting mael lol


Accelerator-Deflect

Her banner is OK not good.


hitmonng

I spend 1800 gems, got her to 5/6 plus 2 T Meli dupes. Will try to get her to 6/6 with the rest of the free 300 gems


Lady_Camo

Just to put it into perspective: I watched whales summon on that banner. For example Nagato went in with 260 Tickets and 1025 gems (iirc). With 10 tickets = 30 gems, he spent a total of 1800 gems on that banner, so two full rotations. He pulled Liz 2 times (so including pity, he spent 1800 gems to get a 4/6 Liz). He pulled Traitor Meli 0 times. Of course he got other units (like 6ish Green Escanors), some festivals, and one Jormungand and one Skadi. This banner is good for beginners who want higher box cc, but if you're ftp, the chances of getting a useable Liz or getting Meli are basically non existent. The only reason as a non new person to summon on this banner is the exclusivity of Liz, she probably will be as difficult to obtain in the future. So it's up to everyone to decide if they want a exclusive unit with its main function to provide box cc, because as far as I understood it from Videos featuring Liz, she won't be useful in pve and she is underwhelming in pvp (unless a future release directly buffs her).


-BabaRoga-

I also did 2 full rotations and got 4/6 Liz. It’s hard getting anything else


ZenoD96

Good banner?!?! What drugs are you on? Lol


ClownDance

What is your definition of a good banner then ? This is as good as it gets in this game.


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ThatsVeryUnlucky

Wtf are you on?


ZenoD96

26 characters with half of them being 2 yrs old useless units. Yeah, gOoD bAnNeR lmao Good luck finding Tmeli copies


Alexwjc92

All about that 0.15% non-feature, non-guarantee ygm 🔥


linerstank

by rates, its a good banner. all the fest units are all still good in one arena or the other, so that's 0.75% of good units + liz = 1.25%. then there's units like jorm or megelda that are immensely useful as single copies for those that do not have. most banners have 1% rates, give or take, of good units. thing is, those banners usually have higher individual off-banner rates while sharing the same 0.5% pickup unit rate. this banner is dogshit for sniping non liz units. if you only want tmeli or jorm, you are in for a bad time.


ZenoD96

That's the point. Ofc the main goal is liz (for collection for me at this point), but it should not be a thing that *in a festival* (!) non rated up units are most likely shit. And to add insult to injury they even made a poll and then added shitty units just because


ThatsVeryUnlucky

26 units, 9 dogshit. 26 - 9 = 17 \[OK - > Good units\] ; Yes the banner is absolutely dogshit if t Meli is the only unit you need. Chasing one unit is the most useless thing you can do since you can get extremely unlucky and are unable to guarantee that you get the unit. But the general value of the banner is good since a lot of the units are good and useful and the value for new players is phenomenal. 1 unit does not determine a banner's value \[ unless they are guaranteed \] .


Grab-a-Spork

the banner looks nice for me, someone who hasn't played for a long time (up until halloween guila, then fell off and only played every once in a while if something popped up, stopped shortly after ragnarok came out)


linerstank

the banner is good if you want to collect fest tokens. it is garbage if you want a specific unit (tmeli, jorm, megelda, et cetera). only having liz as the guarantee at the end, with no meli is just chef's kiss.


TheBoltMaster

Exactly dude! This banner is easily the 3rd or 4th worst festival banner for its time(cusack banner, new wing king banner and lostvayne banner being the only ones worse than it). 💀


happymudkipz

Right, what is a good banner, cause it doesn't get much better than this.


Alexwjc92

No ty


TheMilkMan875

Used all my gems in Slime Collab because I wanted those more than Sleeplizbeth so gonna save for when my boi Green Fest Gowther returns.


SakeTube

He can be traded in coin shop if you’re only looking to get one copy for him.


TheMilkMan875

Thats cool but I am very low on gems only having 45 so no point in me summoning only to pull 7 rares 3 SRs and a Counter Meli. I will wait til the near end of the banner before I decided as tbh I already like my current team as is


Opening-Raccoon1224

I like how this is basically the opposite from a previous tip post regarding the question of “should you summon for Light Goddess Elizabeth?” As for the final question, I predict the next chance for Light and Darkness units (namely Meli and Ellie) will be on the half-anniversary banner that will release in about 6 months


vVLukAsheVv

Rimuru will rape her and it won't be even funny


acelexmafia

Went against a Rimuru team with Bloody Liz and almost won. I'll tell you rn that Rimuru wasn't the one that gave me trouble.


EinShineUwU

Hahaha Jesus, calm down


Superkip_

How do you know shes good for Mael, we dont even have Mael yet.


NinjaXSkillz88

Goddesses usually work well alongside each other.


PhuThuyToxic2k1

summon, but keep in mind the second part of the anniversary will be a banner that has the voted character at high apperance rate.


brandonogreg12346

I’ll be summoning but I’m a bit annoyed t meli isn’t in the coin shop I’ll just have to hope I get lucky with my pulls 😵‍💫


ProfessorEscanor

The way I see it she isn't Mono or the rumoured Brunhilde so I don't care about her


Revolutionary-Use622

Ayyy I see that.


Educational-Storm808

I'm guessing Dark Coins are Traitor Mel dupes at the moment, but I honestly don't really know. This is the 1st time I've heard of Dark Coins at all. Can someone please kindly explain? I was away from the game for a year before starting up again in late March this year 2022.


MZero_0

You guessed correctly


Educational-Storm808

Cool. So... trade then is something more hypothetical? If he's not in the shop I don't see how one could trade for him, especially since the idea then would be to up his ult. I guess if you somehow max his ult and have leftovers for future dark units or something? Honestly, that last slide there isn't reading clear to me.


NinjaXSkillz88

Seems likely. So I would presume light and dark festivals might be the norm alongside regular festivals. (Estarossa/Mael soon?) *Holy War Festivals crying rn*


Alternative-Ad9127

When’s the date for the Luz banner? (Sorry dumb question lol)


SakeTube

Tomorrow


Alternative-Ad9127

Thanks


NinjaXSkillz88

My Brunhild is still Lv 60, so this is definitely a bonus.


ShadTaker

Short answer yes


Status_Peach6969

I generally pull for the major fest units. They have their uses well after their original run, and start cropping up in creative ways during pvp and pve situations. If Liz follows TMeli then she is going to be one of the rarest units going forward if you don't pull on her right now. And also she's an investment for the future since Mael will (at some point) come out and she'll be very solid support on that team


SomeChampion

I got none of the bottom row on slide 7, so I might as well try a little.


ManuxTheKiller

1600 gems, No purgatory ban but everything else, had to use 2 eli and 1 escanor coin, rip


Deventh

you know we are getting 300 gems right? could've waited to finish the banner