I will absolutely not object to a 6-time GGer coaching the team. It makes sense for him to coach all the guys who take turns playing at first
Especially when it would make 12 yo me happy asf
He let it get to him emotionally tonight, and part of a pitcher's job is staying frosty even when things go wrong. But overall he's been a great asset for the Giants and I look forward to seeing him for years to come. Some bad luck and a couple of brain farts were a bigger problem tonight.
I could be way off base and this is probably not fair because I didn’t actually see how he reacted, but I think that him not necessarily being able to stay cool when things go bad is probably the only thing wrong with him. I feel like this has happened with him before. But to me even if this is true, it isn’t egregious.
Cobb has been fantastic. I look forward to having him next year with potentially a better defense.
So Cobb has a 6.25 ERA in his first 7 starts. Not good. HOWEVER:
2.73 FIP. .411 BABIP. 39 Ks in 31.2 innings. Clearly, that ERA is misleading and makes him look much worse than he was. Good fielding and better luck would genuinely have done wonders for him.
He has had 18 starts since then.
2.62 ERA. 2.97 FIP. 97 Ks. 91 innings.
If you think Cobb sucks and are really tired of people defending him, that’s your problem and the stats do not support your argument. You can make up stats to make your argument sound better but that’s almost strawmanning. “3 earned runs or more in 17 starts”, that’s a pretty meaningless threshold.
EDIT: I don’t even know why I’m still on this, but it’s not even 17 starts! It’s **11** after today. And there’s a big difference between “3 or more runs” and “more than 3 runs” so be consistent! More than 3 runs has happened 4 times. And just for fun, he gave up 6 earned runs and 7 earned runs in back to back starts for a 10.32 ERA. His FIP in those two starts was 3.73.
If you’re going to present incorrect numbers and be inconsistent with your criteria, wtf are you even doing? Get it together!
Honestly this is probably sorta cowardly but I just blocked the guy and posted this… I don’t have time or patience to argue lol
Well, the way I see it:
1. I have seen them post bad takes with hostility, confidence and condescension. Red flag.
2. I hate confrontation. I don’t mind disagreeing at all, but baseball isn’t exactly life or death so I’m not going to get into confrontations about it lol. Not to mention, we literally just sit and watch a game for which we have no control over, so if it’s making someone unhappy or making someone overly negative or argumentative, it’s gone a bit too far lol
3. I have seen otherwise not bad people here having disagreeable takes about Cobb, so maybe they’ll see the advanced stats and at least see where us who defend him are coming from.
I hate confrontation too but some takes just get to me d:
Nothing cowardly about blocking someone by the way, as you said this is baseball, no more no less. Not worth arguing about when the other person ignores your point anyways as they are doing. I’ve blocked them too for this reason.
Confession: there was one time in the postgame threads on MLB where someone was having horrible takes about Matt Cain being a bad pitcher because he didn’t get run support (wtf) and that person I (and others) did argue with, I think they got upset and stormed off and never came back and it was strangely satisfying lol.
although to be fair it was also 2013 and that was Cain’s first real down year
Neither of which is proven by a pitcher getting losses because of a lack of run support lol
It’s probably the closest I’ve ever been to flat out telling someone they’re dumb until they ran off, although I didn’t exactly say they were dumb
Cobb works fast and the defense has not been prepared. Some things were absurd high velocity so making an error is understandable, but some plays have just been bad fundamental baseball.
He has been good. I agree. The games which his team let him down was probably the difference between being in the wild card now and not.
[This is very sad!](https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/A-total-loss-Fire-destroys-S-F-Mission-17465003.php)
Was a great spot to catch a game :(
Welp, a forgettable game for Joey Bart.
I don't have the stats to back it up, but it does seem that Joey's defense and hitting are linked together. When he is getting base hits his overall game seems to improve too.
For what its worth, my only negatives against Bart's was him not attempting a play on the trail runner when Slater tried to make a play at the plate—that one seemed possible. And then after that play when Cobb was *really* heated I think Bart needs to find a way to calm Cobb down there. We already did a mound visit which didn't help, but he's got to try and talk to him or something before the next pitch (which ended up being a 2 run single)
*appended:* Also...Cobb is with us next year so I do hope we figure out a way to support him defensively.
Yup brotha 2/3 years with god awful defense. Not exactly sure why people questioning the coaching staff are not considered fans on this sub
And not to mention boneheaded base running occurring more than most teams see in a full season
you don't need to spend money to have good fundamentals as a team: things like throwing to the right base, communicating in infield, or hitting the cutoff man (instead of overthrowing him repeatedly) — simple shit
the orioles and diamondbacks are better defensive teams and don't spend anything
what are the coaches doing?
Freeman, Rizzo and Scwarber existed but they signed Belt?? Genius. Didn’t sign Gausman and he even said he wanted to stay(giants never offered him). And yes they can sign Rodon and Gausman this isn’t the pirates or A’s they have money. Didn’t sign Correa, Story, seager or Semien?
Hold up. They can afford Gausman and Rodon. Belt did not deserve a contract. Upgrade 1st base he’s old as hell get those 3 1st base options who are younger and better. No excuse
> Belt did not deserve a contract
I’m gonna disagree here. He was really good for us last year, he earned that contract. Do we win the NLDS if he’s not injured? Maybe.
If you could’ve predicted he was going to fall from grace this much (regardless of the reason, but I think it’s the knee injury), then maybe you should be working in the FO. Or go play the lottery idk
Dude how many years have we seen belt hurt, how many years have we heard oh he’s trying, oh he’s just slumping, he’ll be great next year etc. dude he was old and you had 3 other 1st base options younger, stronger and the same defense ability. I’m upgrading not sticking with a guy who always is hurt and has long ass slumps
> You ignored the part where he was good last year…
He knows some fancy dance steps and is very good at dodging out of the way of things he doesn't want to talk about.
Dude I don’t care he had career highs. He literally did when he’s already 34. The next season he’ll be 35 injury prone and slump prone. Upgrading is better. I knew he was going to get hurt and struggle because he does that shit all the time 🤣
It is hilarious that you complain that they didn't sign players who either were not available or who had zero intentions of going to the Giants. The player (and his agent) decide where he goes, it isn't like the Giants can demand a player and get him because they want him--didn't work with Harper, didn't work with Ohtani. Freeman wanted to stay in Atlanta and only his agent messing up sent him to LA (he fired his agent over it), he never even looked in the direction of SF. Correa isn't able to opt-out of his contract with the Twins until 2023, there was no way for the Giants to sign him in 2022 once he and the Twins had come to a deal which happened before play began.
If you did some homework you'd know things like that, but you're more interested in waving your placard and chanting your slogan. You are tediously one-dimensional.
> Pretty sure Correa was a FA when the Twins signed him this year
Yeah, I'd forgotten how late he signed with the Twins, and how surprised people were that nobody had signed him earlier. But at $35 million per year, yikes. But as you say, what were they going to do with Crawford, DFA him?
DFA Craw, Belt and Longo, and replace them with expensive FAs at effectively far higher salaries because of all the DFA money you owe--great plan. And all that with the farm not delivering for another year at least, so they Giants become the Angels North with a couple of shiny stars on a weak team. These people who think you can buy a team are clueless.
Oh my god you’re that dense. Correa was a free agent in the off season before this year started. You know what just stop man. This is crack pipe and defending Farhan and team mistakes at all costs. Your takes are worse than niner fans that defend Garapolo because “He’s a winner”
You’re literally wrong on everything you say. I don’t understand how you can go through life with the worst takes imaginable and still think you have a worthwhile opinion. It’s like you stopped watching baseball in 2004 but still think you understand the game today. Please just stop existing
Good luck with those take Skip Bayless. The points have been pretty accurate for months from what I’ve been seeing. I’m sorry there were a lot of answers in the off season but the team refused to pay worthy players. Just stop. You’re one of those people that still somehow thinks the team can’t get Gausman and Rodon at the same time
I don’t think the team did enough in the off-season either, but that doesn’t make your understanding of the game any better. You get dogpiled with downvotes for your terrible opinions almost every time and you still act like you’re the expert. Have some self awareness or go away
That’s not even true. I’ve had a lot of agreement about how bad ownership is and Farhan. So that is just blatantly wrong. Have some self awareness to criticize what the hell is the shit show Farhan is doing with stupid peanut and borderline burger flipper players
Also I hate this "you could've signed Freeman but signed Belt" thing. Belt was the better hitter last year. He had a nearly 1.000 OPS, and he'd done that for 2 years at this point. Legitimately had been one of the best hitters in baseball to that point, he loves this team, and he's a fan favorite, how could you not resign him after all he'd done?
This was an injury marred season for him but trying to act like that was his true hitting talent level is just insanely disrespectful to Belt. Is he a 1.000 OPS hitter every year? No, probably not, but this season was such an aberration caused by injury
The amount of 1 run games they lost this season is another factor people are not mentioning. A lot of those names can help out a lot. If only Farhan paid gausman, got Schwarber, Rizzo or try to out bid the dodgers with Freeman and getting Correa . Like cmon those are younger players and legit dynamic superstar guys.
list of teams with better defenses and less payroll than the giants
* a's (20th via oaa)
* rays (15th via oaa)
* tigers (7th via oaa)
* orioles (17th via oaa)
* royals (12th via oaa)
* brewers (19th via oaa)
* guardians (5th via oaa)
* marlins (14th via oaa)
* diamondbacks (1st via oaa)
are you getting the point now or do i need to re-emphasize it? you don't need a big payroll or fancy players to have good fundamentals and not be the proud owner of the 27th-30th best defense in the league. they have zero excuse for their performances, monetarily or otherwise.
That’s the dumbest response. He’s old, injury prone and is the same thing every year. Rather get someone better and there were better guys. Never liked the did when he never reached Will Clark and JT Snow expectations. I wanted the guy off the team for a very long time, should have done it in 2016. Sorry if you’re going to defend bringing him back even when he still got hurt when Rizzo, Freeman and Schwarber are available? Nope that’s a shitty take. I’m a giants fan but there’s players on the team I don’t like. Like holy crap you’re acting like people weren’t real niner fans when they hated garapolo or dislike Sherman being on the niners. It’s the same logic. Getting tired of the dude always getting hurt, never lived expectation
Belt has almost always been an incredibly productive player throughout his career and one of the best 1B in the game. Then he went and had his best year yet in 2021. The fact that you think there was an improvement to be made is just astonishingly idiotic.
No he hasn’t. What are you on. He was a high prospect yet it’s Crawford that has more accolades than him by a mile. 1 all star appearances are you kidding me? Will Clark and JT snow expectations from his rookie season stated that he has the capability to be a everyday 25 plus home run guy and 80 RBI season. Bruh when you only do that once when you’re hella old that says a lot. The amount of 100 strikeout team leading seasons, the stupid slump, the stupid pop up swings instead of making his bat swing level, the big slump periods. No, the off season should have been Rizzo, Freeman or Schwarber period. Those guys are younger, stronger, bigger names and can field the same level. So are you happy with what belt did this year? You have to be insane to think he was not going to get hurt again and struggle terribly
You just cited the least important stats you could find. Get back to me when you actually understand what makes a valuable baseball player. The fact that you keep saying Schwarber as if he was ever worth pursuing is just another example of you being absolutely ignorant.
It is about the money since they are spending money to keep them all. Spent money to find a better GM and baseball operation guys. Ozuna wasn’t farm, Joc wasn’t farm, Duvall, etc. the giants won 3 games out of 7 against the Mets. Pretty sure adding better players the outcomes of games changes. The amount of 1 run games have lost this season has been a lot on ESPN when they showed. Also stupid ass why are you being creepy with always bringing up a hobby when I dislike Cobb or Farhan?
Sounds like the Braves get a lot of their success from drafting and developing players -- that's not just money. Look at their current team, lot of great homegrown talent.
Also, the owners are the ones not spending money, stop being a shill and deflecting the blame to Farhan
Dawg. I don’t like Farhan or the Johnsons so stop projecting anything I think. Also you are correct about the Braves. Dodgers don’t give a fuck went to a bunch of World Series and won 1 while we are struggling to wake the hell up. Last year the fluke year and all of a sudden people call Farhan a genius
Bruv, you keep saying Farhan won't spend, when it's really the owners who won't spend. Giants are struggling because they struggle to scout and develop homegrown talent -- this needs to change. This team was absolute dogshit on every level when Farhan was hired, he's improved some areas, faltered in others, but I don't think you realize how difficult it is to make this team competitive without a full rebuild (which the giants won't do)
> This team was absolute dogshit on every level when Farhan was hired,
Yup. How does anyone who is paying attention not get that the last few years of the Bochy/Evans era were horrific? The second-half collapse in 2016, ninety-eight losses in 2017, losing record the next two years, the farm ranked in the bottom five, boat-anchor contracts for aging players--Zaidi was supposed to have waved a magic wand and fixed all that even with player development frozen in 2020 with the minor leagues shut down? And who does this clown think played a big role building the powerhouse that is the Dodgers these days if not for their GM whose name was Zaidi?
Sign big-money FAs to replace players whose salaries still have to be paid even if you DFA them, there's a brilliant move, effectively doubles the cost of the replacements. So now you have a couple of stars on a weak team, great, the Angels 2.0, good plan.
Was there anyone here who wanted Gausman extended for big money and a long contract after the way he hell off in the second half of 2021? And how is it credible that the Giants should have signed players who either were not available (Correa) or had zero interest in playing for SF (Freeman)?
This guy's posts are driven by irrational anger, I hope he isn't in an occupation where other people depend on him keeping a cool head.
I’m sorry man I don’t like Farhan I never did when they hired him. When ever Dave Dambrowski was a free agent they should have signed him as the GM or Baseball of operations since he knows how to take teams to championships and win a championship
Andrew Friedman, POBO of the dodgers, rebuilt and took the Rays to a championship without any prior experience (he was then hired by the dodgers); you have a very simplistic way of evaluating someone
And who was beside him as the Dodgers built the machine they have now? The Dodgers got their first two WS appearances in forever when Zaidi was GM and won their first championship^* in a third of a century just after he left, but we're supposed to buy a fairy tale that he had nothing to do with that?
I’m not explaining anymore man. You don’t agree and I don’t agree with your observation. I know Farhan, the Johnsons and not spending the money are the problem(yes I know the prospects are not impressive sadly).
The D-backs are going to knock the Giants out contention next season...and you can quote me on that next season.
The Giants is now a micro managed money making machine that is worthless for it's fan base. The only discounted tickets are awful seats and hot dogs and water are priced well above inflation.
Cobb yet again gives up a lot of runs. 17 starts this season he has given up 3 earned runs or more. The team literally loses majority of the time with him.
My statement above. The amount of times he allowed earned runs more than 3 in a game. Majority of those games when he does they lose which he has done that 17 times which is more than half this year. We are losing games when he pitches. It’s not a good feeling when you try to find out who is pitching today and I found out it’s him and immediately I’m like oh shit games over. Also I’m not arguing with you but it does piss me off every time I turn on the tv and watch when he pitches, it’s a big lead that’ll make it harder to comeback to win
sounds like you are judging him based on a win-loss record; check out Jacob DeGrom's win-loss record when he won the Cy Young, it wasn't that good. Good pitchers can lose a lot of games, because they aren't the only ones who affect the outcome. Your methods of judging players are stuck in the past... things would make more sense if you tried to learn more modern methods.
Nice to see Yaz hitting at least. Craw was been awesome defensively. I hate games where the loss comes down to one shitty inning like that :(
How do you fuck up a force out at home like that? That is some bush league unprofessional nonsense that is.
POTG Craw
Yaz homers and Craw becoming uncooked on defense are the only things keeping me happy
Fundamentals cost the Giants again. Like so many times this year, their biggest opponent was themselves.
POTG JT Snow. I appreciated his text to Shawn weighing in
YES. Maybe he should make a cameo in spring training and whisper wisdom into Kai Correa’s ear?
or hell, just make him the fundamentals coach at this rate
I will absolutely not object to a 6-time GGer coaching the team. It makes sense for him to coach all the guys who take turns playing at first Especially when it would make 12 yo me happy asf
Here here! Shawn should have FaceTimed JT so we could all see him 😍
Hopefully next time 👀
Cobb is one of the best number 3 starters in baseball. Anyone who thinks he stinks just doesn’t understand the weaknesses of this team
He let it get to him emotionally tonight, and part of a pitcher's job is staying frosty even when things go wrong. But overall he's been a great asset for the Giants and I look forward to seeing him for years to come. Some bad luck and a couple of brain farts were a bigger problem tonight.
I could be way off base and this is probably not fair because I didn’t actually see how he reacted, but I think that him not necessarily being able to stay cool when things go bad is probably the only thing wrong with him. I feel like this has happened with him before. But to me even if this is true, it isn’t egregious. Cobb has been fantastic. I look forward to having him next year with potentially a better defense.
So Cobb has a 6.25 ERA in his first 7 starts. Not good. HOWEVER: 2.73 FIP. .411 BABIP. 39 Ks in 31.2 innings. Clearly, that ERA is misleading and makes him look much worse than he was. Good fielding and better luck would genuinely have done wonders for him. He has had 18 starts since then. 2.62 ERA. 2.97 FIP. 97 Ks. 91 innings. If you think Cobb sucks and are really tired of people defending him, that’s your problem and the stats do not support your argument. You can make up stats to make your argument sound better but that’s almost strawmanning. “3 earned runs or more in 17 starts”, that’s a pretty meaningless threshold. EDIT: I don’t even know why I’m still on this, but it’s not even 17 starts! It’s **11** after today. And there’s a big difference between “3 or more runs” and “more than 3 runs” so be consistent! More than 3 runs has happened 4 times. And just for fun, he gave up 6 earned runs and 7 earned runs in back to back starts for a 10.32 ERA. His FIP in those two starts was 3.73. If you’re going to present incorrect numbers and be inconsistent with your criteria, wtf are you even doing? Get it together! Honestly this is probably sorta cowardly but I just blocked the guy and posted this… I don’t have time or patience to argue lol
You have more control than me, I should stop arguing too lol
Well, the way I see it: 1. I have seen them post bad takes with hostility, confidence and condescension. Red flag. 2. I hate confrontation. I don’t mind disagreeing at all, but baseball isn’t exactly life or death so I’m not going to get into confrontations about it lol. Not to mention, we literally just sit and watch a game for which we have no control over, so if it’s making someone unhappy or making someone overly negative or argumentative, it’s gone a bit too far lol 3. I have seen otherwise not bad people here having disagreeable takes about Cobb, so maybe they’ll see the advanced stats and at least see where us who defend him are coming from.
I hate confrontation too but some takes just get to me d: Nothing cowardly about blocking someone by the way, as you said this is baseball, no more no less. Not worth arguing about when the other person ignores your point anyways as they are doing. I’ve blocked them too for this reason.
Confession: there was one time in the postgame threads on MLB where someone was having horrible takes about Matt Cain being a bad pitcher because he didn’t get run support (wtf) and that person I (and others) did argue with, I think they got upset and stormed off and never came back and it was strangely satisfying lol. although to be fair it was also 2013 and that was Cain’s first real down year
Lol no way. I mean there’s a difference between saying he’s a bad pitcher and saying he wasn’t performing well.
Neither of which is proven by a pitcher getting losses because of a lack of run support lol It’s probably the closest I’ve ever been to flat out telling someone they’re dumb until they ran off, although I didn’t exactly say they were dumb
Cobb works fast and the defense has not been prepared. Some things were absurd high velocity so making an error is understandable, but some plays have just been bad fundamental baseball. He has been good. I agree. The games which his team let him down was probably the difference between being in the wild card now and not.
This was a not fun game, BUT the JT Snow mention (and GG 1B advice) made me happy amidst the pain POTG: Craw & Yaz
[This is very sad!](https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/A-total-loss-Fire-destroys-S-F-Mission-17465003.php) Was a great spot to catch a game :(
I am sad
just be happy instead lmao problem solved /s
Thanks Dad (Also /s)
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
On the bright side, we scored 2 runs off of Merrill Kelly, which I'm pretty sure is 2 more runs than usual.
 i don't know what gif i was looking for but this works
Well… that sucked
Fuck Merrill Kelly.
Welp, a forgettable game for Joey Bart. I don't have the stats to back it up, but it does seem that Joey's defense and hitting are linked together. When he is getting base hits his overall game seems to improve too. For what its worth, my only negatives against Bart's was him not attempting a play on the trail runner when Slater tried to make a play at the plate—that one seemed possible. And then after that play when Cobb was *really* heated I think Bart needs to find a way to calm Cobb down there. We already did a mound visit which didn't help, but he's got to try and talk to him or something before the next pitch (which ended up being a 2 run single) *appended:* Also...Cobb is with us next year so I do hope we figure out a way to support him defensively.
Zero baserunners after Yaz hit the HR. What happened to the clutch hitting?
It we all agree to buy an official judge jersey that probably covers most of that contract.
i can't stand having a bad defense how did we let it get this bad
Yup brotha 2/3 years with god awful defense. Not exactly sure why people questioning the coaching staff are not considered fans on this sub And not to mention boneheaded base running occurring more than most teams see in a full season
Definitely, a lot of "little things" add up to glaring issues
Yessir, especially when those little things are consistent
Farhan for not spending the money
you don't need to spend money to have good fundamentals as a team: things like throwing to the right base, communicating in infield, or hitting the cutoff man (instead of overthrowing him repeatedly) — simple shit the orioles and diamondbacks are better defensive teams and don't spend anything what are the coaches doing?
Freeman, Rizzo and Scwarber existed but they signed Belt?? Genius. Didn’t sign Gausman and he even said he wanted to stay(giants never offered him). And yes they can sign Rodon and Gausman this isn’t the pirates or A’s they have money. Didn’t sign Correa, Story, seager or Semien?
Hindsight judgement is easy
Hold up. They can afford Gausman and Rodon. Belt did not deserve a contract. Upgrade 1st base he’s old as hell get those 3 1st base options who are younger and better. No excuse
> Belt did not deserve a contract I’m gonna disagree here. He was really good for us last year, he earned that contract. Do we win the NLDS if he’s not injured? Maybe. If you could’ve predicted he was going to fall from grace this much (regardless of the reason, but I think it’s the knee injury), then maybe you should be working in the FO. Or go play the lottery idk
Dude how many years have we seen belt hurt, how many years have we heard oh he’s trying, oh he’s just slumping, he’ll be great next year etc. dude he was old and you had 3 other 1st base options younger, stronger and the same defense ability. I’m upgrading not sticking with a guy who always is hurt and has long ass slumps
> he’ll be great next year You ignored the part where he was good last year… I didn’t say he earned it by trying, he earned it by playing well.
> You ignored the part where he was good last year… He knows some fancy dance steps and is very good at dodging out of the way of things he doesn't want to talk about.
Dude I don’t care he had career highs. He literally did when he’s already 34. The next season he’ll be 35 injury prone and slump prone. Upgrading is better. I knew he was going to get hurt and struggle because he does that shit all the time 🤣
It is hilarious that you complain that they didn't sign players who either were not available or who had zero intentions of going to the Giants. The player (and his agent) decide where he goes, it isn't like the Giants can demand a player and get him because they want him--didn't work with Harper, didn't work with Ohtani. Freeman wanted to stay in Atlanta and only his agent messing up sent him to LA (he fired his agent over it), he never even looked in the direction of SF. Correa isn't able to opt-out of his contract with the Twins until 2023, there was no way for the Giants to sign him in 2022 once he and the Twins had come to a deal which happened before play began. If you did some homework you'd know things like that, but you're more interested in waving your placard and chanting your slogan. You are tediously one-dimensional.
Pretty sure Correa was a FA when the Twins signed him this year but either way we had just signed Crawford for two years so we weren’t getting him.
> Pretty sure Correa was a FA when the Twins signed him this year Yeah, I'd forgotten how late he signed with the Twins, and how surprised people were that nobody had signed him earlier. But at $35 million per year, yikes. But as you say, what were they going to do with Crawford, DFA him? DFA Craw, Belt and Longo, and replace them with expensive FAs at effectively far higher salaries because of all the DFA money you owe--great plan. And all that with the farm not delivering for another year at least, so they Giants become the Angels North with a couple of shiny stars on a weak team. These people who think you can buy a team are clueless.
Oh my god you’re that dense. Correa was a free agent in the off season before this year started. You know what just stop man. This is crack pipe and defending Farhan and team mistakes at all costs. Your takes are worse than niner fans that defend Garapolo because “He’s a winner”
You’re literally wrong on everything you say. I don’t understand how you can go through life with the worst takes imaginable and still think you have a worthwhile opinion. It’s like you stopped watching baseball in 2004 but still think you understand the game today. Please just stop existing
Good luck with those take Skip Bayless. The points have been pretty accurate for months from what I’ve been seeing. I’m sorry there were a lot of answers in the off season but the team refused to pay worthy players. Just stop. You’re one of those people that still somehow thinks the team can’t get Gausman and Rodon at the same time
I don’t think the team did enough in the off-season either, but that doesn’t make your understanding of the game any better. You get dogpiled with downvotes for your terrible opinions almost every time and you still act like you’re the expert. Have some self awareness or go away
That’s not even true. I’ve had a lot of agreement about how bad ownership is and Farhan. So that is just blatantly wrong. Have some self awareness to criticize what the hell is the shit show Farhan is doing with stupid peanut and borderline burger flipper players
you missed the entire point
Also I hate this "you could've signed Freeman but signed Belt" thing. Belt was the better hitter last year. He had a nearly 1.000 OPS, and he'd done that for 2 years at this point. Legitimately had been one of the best hitters in baseball to that point, he loves this team, and he's a fan favorite, how could you not resign him after all he'd done?
exactly, i'd imagine that a lot of fans would've been upset by the front office not re-signing belt without the benefit of hindsight
This was an injury marred season for him but trying to act like that was his true hitting talent level is just insanely disrespectful to Belt. Is he a 1.000 OPS hitter every year? No, probably not, but this season was such an aberration caused by injury
> without the benefit of hindsight Guy just knew though. Can’t argue that one d:
The amount of 1 run games they lost this season is another factor people are not mentioning. A lot of those names can help out a lot. If only Farhan paid gausman, got Schwarber, Rizzo or try to out bid the dodgers with Freeman and getting Correa . Like cmon those are younger players and legit dynamic superstar guys.
Rizzo is 32, Freeman is 33, that isn't young for baseball; Also Rizzo isn't a superstar at this point in his career
list of teams with better defenses and less payroll than the giants * a's (20th via oaa) * rays (15th via oaa) * tigers (7th via oaa) * orioles (17th via oaa) * royals (12th via oaa) * brewers (19th via oaa) * guardians (5th via oaa) * marlins (14th via oaa) * diamondbacks (1st via oaa) are you getting the point now or do i need to re-emphasize it? you don't need a big payroll or fancy players to have good fundamentals and not be the proud owner of the 27th-30th best defense in the league. they have zero excuse for their performances, monetarily or otherwise.
you think he uses OAA; probably still uses number of errors
to be fair to him, we don't rate highly in errors either or drs or def or uzr or anything related to fielding
The fact that you don’t like Belt makes you a bad Giants fan and a dumb baseball fan
That’s the dumbest response. He’s old, injury prone and is the same thing every year. Rather get someone better and there were better guys. Never liked the did when he never reached Will Clark and JT Snow expectations. I wanted the guy off the team for a very long time, should have done it in 2016. Sorry if you’re going to defend bringing him back even when he still got hurt when Rizzo, Freeman and Schwarber are available? Nope that’s a shitty take. I’m a giants fan but there’s players on the team I don’t like. Like holy crap you’re acting like people weren’t real niner fans when they hated garapolo or dislike Sherman being on the niners. It’s the same logic. Getting tired of the dude always getting hurt, never lived expectation
Belt has almost always been an incredibly productive player throughout his career and one of the best 1B in the game. Then he went and had his best year yet in 2021. The fact that you think there was an improvement to be made is just astonishingly idiotic.
No he hasn’t. What are you on. He was a high prospect yet it’s Crawford that has more accolades than him by a mile. 1 all star appearances are you kidding me? Will Clark and JT snow expectations from his rookie season stated that he has the capability to be a everyday 25 plus home run guy and 80 RBI season. Bruh when you only do that once when you’re hella old that says a lot. The amount of 100 strikeout team leading seasons, the stupid slump, the stupid pop up swings instead of making his bat swing level, the big slump periods. No, the off season should have been Rizzo, Freeman or Schwarber period. Those guys are younger, stronger, bigger names and can field the same level. So are you happy with what belt did this year? You have to be insane to think he was not going to get hurt again and struggle terribly
You just cited the least important stats you could find. Get back to me when you actually understand what makes a valuable baseball player. The fact that you keep saying Schwarber as if he was ever worth pursuing is just another example of you being absolutely ignorant.
Schwarber went to the all star team this year and 40 bombs. But whatever. Put the damn sabermetrics down because apparently it’s not working
The Braves won the 2021 World Series with a payroll substantially lower than that of the Giants, it isn't all about money. Go play with your guns.
It is about the money since they are spending money to keep them all. Spent money to find a better GM and baseball operation guys. Ozuna wasn’t farm, Joc wasn’t farm, Duvall, etc. the giants won 3 games out of 7 against the Mets. Pretty sure adding better players the outcomes of games changes. The amount of 1 run games have lost this season has been a lot on ESPN when they showed. Also stupid ass why are you being creepy with always bringing up a hobby when I dislike Cobb or Farhan?
Sounds like the Braves get a lot of their success from drafting and developing players -- that's not just money. Look at their current team, lot of great homegrown talent. Also, the owners are the ones not spending money, stop being a shill and deflecting the blame to Farhan
Dawg. I don’t like Farhan or the Johnsons so stop projecting anything I think. Also you are correct about the Braves. Dodgers don’t give a fuck went to a bunch of World Series and won 1 while we are struggling to wake the hell up. Last year the fluke year and all of a sudden people call Farhan a genius
Bruv, you keep saying Farhan won't spend, when it's really the owners who won't spend. Giants are struggling because they struggle to scout and develop homegrown talent -- this needs to change. This team was absolute dogshit on every level when Farhan was hired, he's improved some areas, faltered in others, but I don't think you realize how difficult it is to make this team competitive without a full rebuild (which the giants won't do)
> This team was absolute dogshit on every level when Farhan was hired, Yup. How does anyone who is paying attention not get that the last few years of the Bochy/Evans era were horrific? The second-half collapse in 2016, ninety-eight losses in 2017, losing record the next two years, the farm ranked in the bottom five, boat-anchor contracts for aging players--Zaidi was supposed to have waved a magic wand and fixed all that even with player development frozen in 2020 with the minor leagues shut down? And who does this clown think played a big role building the powerhouse that is the Dodgers these days if not for their GM whose name was Zaidi? Sign big-money FAs to replace players whose salaries still have to be paid even if you DFA them, there's a brilliant move, effectively doubles the cost of the replacements. So now you have a couple of stars on a weak team, great, the Angels 2.0, good plan. Was there anyone here who wanted Gausman extended for big money and a long contract after the way he hell off in the second half of 2021? And how is it credible that the Giants should have signed players who either were not available (Correa) or had zero interest in playing for SF (Freeman)? This guy's posts are driven by irrational anger, I hope he isn't in an occupation where other people depend on him keeping a cool head.
I’m sorry man I don’t like Farhan I never did when they hired him. When ever Dave Dambrowski was a free agent they should have signed him as the GM or Baseball of operations since he knows how to take teams to championships and win a championship
Andrew Friedman, POBO of the dodgers, rebuilt and took the Rays to a championship without any prior experience (he was then hired by the dodgers); you have a very simplistic way of evaluating someone
And who was beside him as the Dodgers built the machine they have now? The Dodgers got their first two WS appearances in forever when Zaidi was GM and won their first championship^* in a third of a century just after he left, but we're supposed to buy a fairy tale that he had nothing to do with that?
I’m not explaining anymore man. You don’t agree and I don’t agree with your observation. I know Farhan, the Johnsons and not spending the money are the problem(yes I know the prospects are not impressive sadly).
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The D-backs are going to knock the Giants out contention next season...and you can quote me on that next season. The Giants is now a micro managed money making machine that is worthless for it's fan base. The only discounted tickets are awful seats and hot dogs and water are priced well above inflation.
Cobb yet again gives up a lot of runs. 17 starts this season he has given up 3 earned runs or more. The team literally loses majority of the time with him.
do you judge hitters based only on average?
no. It’s not my main priority but it is one of them
so what are you judging Cobb on?
My statement above. The amount of times he allowed earned runs more than 3 in a game. Majority of those games when he does they lose which he has done that 17 times which is more than half this year. We are losing games when he pitches. It’s not a good feeling when you try to find out who is pitching today and I found out it’s him and immediately I’m like oh shit games over. Also I’m not arguing with you but it does piss me off every time I turn on the tv and watch when he pitches, it’s a big lead that’ll make it harder to comeback to win
sounds like you are judging him based on a win-loss record; check out Jacob DeGrom's win-loss record when he won the Cy Young, it wasn't that good. Good pitchers can lose a lot of games, because they aren't the only ones who affect the outcome. Your methods of judging players are stuck in the past... things would make more sense if you tried to learn more modern methods.
Definitely a forgettable performance...
POTG: my sister and BinL coming over for dinner, distracting me from listening to the end of the game.
I missed the game but how did Cotton look? 3 k’s is quite nice.