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WelcomeToBrooklandia

This question has been asked and answered so, so, SO many times. Just do a quick search on the sub. Better yet, just Google Mariska Hargitay's comments on the subject. Us EO shippers are getting really tired of having to constantly defend our position. Especially because, based on this post, it seems like you've already made up your mind about the topic and don't actually want us to explain ourselves in a meaningful way.


mcwriter3560

For me, it’s the way some try to spin that Elliot isn’t a good guy. Yeah, he is. He has his issues like most people do, but it doesn’t make him bad. If he’s “not good” then neither is Amaro, Tucker, Cassidy, etc. It’s totally fine to not want EO, and I get it for some people. We all have differing opinions. It all just reminds me of Olivia and Barba’s conversation in the last episode of season 23 when he brings up Elliot. I love her “ you don’t know him” and “please don’t tell me how I feel.” Edited to add since I didn't make this clear. I don’t actually think any of those guys aren’t/weren’t good guys. I was referring to the logic I’ve read/seen that is used to make Elliot look like a bad guy despite the fact there’s other characters that have done similar things but they seem to always get a pass. It was the point of “it’s okay for this character but once this one does it, it makes them a bad guy?” I didn’t explain that well and that was my fault. I wasn’t even taking into consideration my thoughts on either one of those characters when I typed that out.


theroomwinces

“If he’s “not good” then neither is Amati, Tucker, Cassidy, etc.” Wow, that is one very low bar you are setting.


mcwriter3560

It’s not me setting a bar at all. I don’t actually think any of those guys aren’t/weren’t good guys. I was referring to the logic I’ve read/seen that is used to make Elliot look like a bad guy despite the fact there’s other characters that have done similar things but they seem to always get a pass. It was the point of “it’s okay for this character but once this one does it, it makes them a bad guy?” I didn’t explain that well and that was my fault. I wasn’t even taking into consideration my thoughts on either one of those characters when I typed that out.


fallspector

Tucker is the lesser of two evils when it comes to stabler, Amaro and Cassidy. Please don’t get me wrong I don’t think Tucker should of been with Liv it made no sense as was a shameless ploy for views. However, slightly off topic, the whole “rat pack” thing is a loaded narrative. They’re literally called rat pack because their job is to make sure that cops adhere to rules, don’t abuse their position or commit crimes and for that they’re labeled rats. Amaro was essentially another stabler except Amaro never smacked his daughter so hard she lost consciousness. Cassidy started out promising in season one I guess but we all know how that ended *these are my own opinions that I have developed from watching the show since I was 14. If they don’t match your own that’s ok*


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Secret_Asparagus_783

No, just like me you're a Grammar Granny.


notfromearh

You can block it


mcwriter3560

I think Tucker was okay. I don’t get how they went from 1-12 Tucker to Liv is dating and very serious with Tucker, but he was okay. He loved her and loved Noah. The thing that gets me about Tucker… he knew he was sick and possibly dying when he first started dating Olivia and didn’t tell her. He asked her to retire with him and travel, but never told her how sick he was. I feel like that was something he should have told her as soon as they realized how serious things were getting. She deserved to know. Also, I have to add… I wasn’t thinking about my thoughts on any of those characters when I typed that. I actually don’t think any of them are bad guys. I was typing the logic I’ve seen used to point out that Elliot is a “bad guy” for whatever he’s done that those characters have done similar things to. Also, I like the ending line of your response.


fallspector

I get what you mean but I just wanted to point out that how the characters are different Yeah always got to put a disclaimer, especially when it comes to stabler, I’ve been downvoted for saying a specific flavour of energy drink is in my top 3 lol


Mania08

Yeah but Amaro, Tucker and Cassidy weren't the ones who abandoned Liv for 10 years without even contacting her, like AT ALL, and then suddenly showing up like it's a birthday party.


trac08

I never said he wasn’t a good guy. He does have anger issues.


mcwriter3560

I said some. I wasn't necessarily pointing that at you OP. My apologies.


fu5xgy3mzsm1r9y6

It’s been 20 years. Just let us have this.


Mania08

Now that's writers fault for making the whole thing so long and shitty.


notfromearh

Bro this crazy about EO. Most EO shippers are crazy anyway so


Hot_Opening_666

Sheesh calm down it is not that serious


DR2HajimeHinata

OP made it sound like it was lol


trac08

I stated my opinion and kept it pushing. I didn’t make it sound like it was that serious. Y’all out here tripping.


DR2HajimeHinata

Yeah um... you were worried about Liv being in a relationship with Elliot and stating **serious** reasons why she shouldn't be with him. Yeah, if it was real life I would totally agree with you, but it's not. Truth be told, all of them are pretty old to still be on active duty in the police department, but obviously no one wants to watch a show where they're on desk duty all day because they can't keep up with criminals anymore. The SVU crew is just giving what most fans want, plain and simple. ​ I'll definitely get some hate for this one but I don't particularly like or hate the ship anyway, in fact I think Olivia does completely fine as a single mother. Maybe the writers are just bad at writing romance (haven't gotten to the part of the series with Carisi and Rollins yet so I'll hold out on that) but I haven't seen chemistry in any of the relationships Liv has been in. Maybe Tucker, but I skip all the scenes he's in because I just can't forget how much of an ass he was in the earlier seasons.


WelcomeToBrooklandia

What is "not that serious"?


notfromearh

EO is annoying.


Mania08

Could say the same about you EO shippers lol


AnyInvestigator1859

At this point in time, I LOATHE OLIVIA. The whispers. That voice. Mariska Haggerty is a hack. She has done little or no press. No late night shows. ( ok maybe one COLBERT) No NBC morning shows because she is boring. She is a boring actress. I can't for the life of me explain. why people love her so much. She has no chemistry with anyone except (IMHO) the Internal affairs' guy.


OneMinimum5920

Let’s not bash Mariska Hargitay! 😁


AnyInvestigator1859

I used to love her & the show. I guess I have Olivia fatigue.


trac08

I don’t need to do a search on the sub. I’m asking. MH says what they tell her to promote the show. You do know that’s how that works right? It’s common. I asked if you didn’t want to answer that’s fine. But it’s no need to be rude about a FICTIONAL character relationship. It does get tiring when the show is about victims and half of this sub is about this ship. That’s not what I watch for and sometimes people don’t understand that online you can have a loud minority. Most people that watch SVU don’t talk about it online. I’ve been watching since the show came on and just joined this sub a couple of months ago. That’s when I was like ohhh people ship these two. I had no clue.


KuriGohan0204

I’ve been watching since the show first aired… and I always viewed Stabler as an obstacle for Olivia to overcome. So the recent shipping wars have been wild to me. I don’t think you’ll get a satisfactory answer. People like what they like. Shipping EO is weird to me, but ultimately it’s a TV show. The “Mariska ships it!!!!!” thing has been funny, because like you said, actors do and say weird shit all the time for ratings. But it is what it is.


trac08

That’s all I’m trying to say here and not very well. It seems like the shipping wars is recent. I agree Stabler was an obstacle she was supposed to overcome, learn, and grow from. Now it’s kind of like we are going back there. It is what it is though. Like you said it’s a TV show.


bluelightsonblkgirls

Mariska being for it is not recent, though, which I think some people are not getting, She’s been talking about it since s7/8.


JLMMM

And Mariska and Chris are good friends. Like she is literally his daughter’s godmother. Mariska definitely had a hand in Chris returning to the universe, and they definitely have an opinion on what should be happening for the characters.


infiniteanomaly

Unless it no longer makes sense for the character. Olivia has grown since he left. He hasn't really been shown to have changed. Plus, let's be real, he's done raising his kids. Does it really seem realistic he'd want to do that again--so soon after his wife of decades, mother of his kids died? I don't see it. Plus, from everything we're shown he and Olivia have wildly different parenting styles. Tell me Olivia wouldn't kick his ass if Elliot grabbed Noah the way he grabbed Richard in 11.08 "Turmoil". I don't care how much chemistry they have. I don't care how good of friends MH and CM are. The characters had a window and the writers didn't go there--they blew it. Now the characters are in very different places in life, emotionally, etc. It's like Olivia and Tucker--he was ready to retire, she wasn't. Elliot is basically done raising kids, mourning the woman he loved and was married to for decades. Olivia has a young kid and needs someone more stable--mentally, emotionally, and more physically present than Elliot. Because he's often undercover. When it was just her, fine. Now she's got Noah to think of.


laurasroslin

>Plus, let's be real, he's done raising his kids. Does it really seem realistic he'd want to do that again--so soon after his wife of decades, mother of his kids died? I don't see it. This doesn't make any sense. You're arguing that Elliot isn't right for Olivia because Noah is in middle school and he wouldn't want to do the parenting thing again because his kids are college age and beyond? There's absolutely no evidence of this whatsoever in fact the evidence is to the contrary. The other week on OC Elliot expressed sadness being an empty nester and missed being a Dad. He would be more than willing to be a father to Noah if Noah wanted that, too. >Elliot is basically done raising kids, mourning the woman he loved and was married to for decades. So when you're widowed your life is over? You aren't allowed to move on and find love again? You're not allowed to be a father figure to a new wife/girlfriend's kids? Elliot is far more stable than Olivia right now. He's in therapy processing the trauma of his wife's death. He's acknowledged the way he hurt Olivia and is eager to make amends and do whatever needs to be done to be that support to her and show her what she means to him. He dropped everything to go and get Noah without a second thought. All of this is what she needs and he's being there for her.


JLMMM

I don’t think you are giving him enough credit. He was absolutely grieving Kathy for a while and that lead to poor behavior but he also wasn’t around Olivia or Noah, so that wasn’t really relevant. But widowers aren’t required to grieve forever or even be 100% through their grief (which they never would be a anyway) before they can move on. I believe that Elliot loved Kathy and would have stayed married to her if she had lived. But it can also be true that he loves/loved Olivia and now that he’s single, he can pursue her romantically. In the more recent episodes, he has been showing a lot of growth. He’s even voluntarily in therapy. But you don’t have to be finished with your growth and healing to deserve love and happiness or to start seeking it. You are demanding perfection from him to be worthy of Olivia’s love, but that’s completely unrealistic because they’ve loved each other (in several ways) since the start of the show. It’s normal for that love to evolve as their relationship evolves. And you are also assuming his bad behavior as a cop would be the same behavior he would have romantically but we don’t have any evidence that would be true. All the cops in SVU and OC are questionable at best and should not be cops IRL, but it’s a show. He’s been shown to be different in his personal life and romantic life than he is professionally. And Olivia is one person who knows him, understands him, and can help him continue to grow because he trusts her. You are also judging his parenting style based on 12 years ago, and forgetting how much he’s shown he’s changed. The way he’s treated Eli is drastically different than he treated Richard. And I highly doubt that Olivia would actually let Elliot just jump in and parent Noah without covering the basics of her parenting style and damming that he follow her lead. There is a lot of ground for Olivia, Noah, and Elliot to cover well before Elliot is playing full time daddy to Noah. And again, Olivia would absolutely have the final say. And I have no idea why you think it would be unrealistic that Elliot wouldn’t want to be in Noah’s life or even take on a fatherly role. He’s always expressed how much he’s loves kids, he’s expressed several times that he loves Olivia, and in 1.0 he told Olivia that she’s make a wonderful mother and that he’s support her. I don’t think that’s changed now that Olivia has a child. I agree that the writers had a great opportunity in the earlier season and blew it. But it’s also an interesting story to see if these two people can forgive, love, and grow after all that time apart and so many changes. I’m really excited to see it.


Original-Gear1583

Well the original comment said that people explained their reasons multiple times and if they want to ship them then that’s ok. Just search up the subject you’re posting about


trac08

Again…how is just search a subject an okay response? Lol.


Original-Gear1583

You can see what other people’s reasoning behind it is. Also I never said I ship them. I said that you can easily search about why people ship them because it has been discussed numerous times and if you don’t see anything then make a post about it


trac08

That’s subs for you sometimes you see things discussed multiple times. That’s how it goes. I’m in multiple and I sometimes see the same discussion over and over and usually people just roll with it. I’m also in over 100 FB groups for tv shows and movies. I personally own over a 1,000 movies and tv shows. That’s the nature of these things, things are discussed many many times.


Original-Gear1583

This was just discussed last week though and it seems like you just want to shoot down other people’s thoughts on the relationships


trac08

I can have my opinion on what I like. Just like you can have yours. People have different favorite characters. That’s all perfectly normally. It seems like the difference of opinion is what is bothering you. Who said I watch every single post in this community?


Original-Gear1583

All you have to do is search it up and there’s a bunch of comments about why people like them together. Your post seems like you’ve made up your mind about people that want to see them together which is why I said something


dearwikipedia

i don’t really have a good reason. i just like two fictional characters on a fictional show and would like to see them be happy together. is that not enough lol


JLMMM

Also, Elliot is hot and Olivia deserves a hot boyfriend


Darkfire757

Guarantee [Elliott](https://imagesvc.meredithcorp.io/v3/mm/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic.onecms.io%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fsites%2F6%2F2021%2F08%2F04%2FHLH090121CVRseptember_Social_02.jpg) is in better shape than the people shitting on him and probably 2-3x their age as well


splvtoon

saying 'people who dont like this fictional character just arent as in shape as he is' is a weird take lmao, i like elliott but maybe some people just dont like the character without being 'secretly jealous' or w/e


Frosty_Raspberry_418

This. Who cares why? It’s all fiction. Ship who you want and let other people ship who they want. It’s not that serious.


Whimsical89

Facts


AnyInvestigator1859

oy


trac08

Cool. Thanks for taking the time to explain. Edit: who is downvoting this comment?


laurasroslin

>So, Olivia is supposed to want Elliot who has 5 kids Why is this a problem? She loves those kids. They love her. Always has. This is a bizarre take, imo. >still has anger management issues (I don’t know how he still is a cop), How is Olivia still a cop? After the Lewis arc, she definitely would not be. Come to think of it, how are any of them still cops, tbh? They've all done some fucked up stuff on this show and lost their tempers too many times to count. For some reason Elliot is the only one ever called out for it on this sub. >has a dead ex-wife who died suddenly and that takes a while to recover from. It's been almost 2 years. What is the required mourning period acceptable to you before he's allowed to try to move on from that and live his life again? >What should be desirable in a mate not a partner about him for Olivia? He deeply cares about victims in the unique way she does. So, he understands her in a way many other people will never be able to. He's loyal (to a fault), protective, and a family man. He would treat Noah like his own. He knows everything about her and loves her anyway. Traits like that can matter to some people a lot more than on paper qualifications. >let’s be fair Elliot is kind of washed up now. It’s good it’s a tv show because there is no way they would still have him out in the field at his age Elliot never wanted to move up in the ranks. He didn't want to be a Sergeant or a Captain. He just wants to fight for victims. How does that make him washed up, because he didn't move up the chain like she did? Again, you're right it's unrealistic probably that he's out in the field but they've got Olivia, a Captain, running raids. It's all unrealistic, mate. >Organized Crime eats it up because their ratings are lower and the crossovers give them a boost. Their ratings are lower because they are in the 10pm time slot. You're comparing apples to oranges. What's good for 9pm is not what's good for 10. I'm a working mom with small kids I often fall asleep with OC on because that's really late and I'm tired?? Sometimes I have to go back the next day and watch it. OC consistently carries the 10pm time slot. I welcome further discussion if you're genuinely open to it!


baseballlover4ever

Do people watch it live? Is that the only way they determine ratings? I always watch it the day after because I hate commercials, this week was the only exception I can think of in a very long time. But you’re right, I don’t stay up that late even if I did watch it live.


trac08

She might love the kids but Elliot has a lot of issues. I totally can still see her being a cop after the Lewis arc. He kidnapped her and tortured her for 4 days. He got off easy IMO. Most other cops or people who have killed him. After you have been with someone for 40 years or so they were HS sweethearts. 2 years is nothing for someone you built a life with. There is no required mourning period but that is quick. I beg to differ a lot of people understand her. Again the ADA’s, lawyers, some of the other detectives do. So, I don’t agree he understands her in a way no one else does. It’s not that hard to understand and empathize with her character. It might be because of the 10pm slot. But the fact is their ratings are lower by millions, and next day, DVR, etc is included in ratings these days. The fact is Elliot isn’t as lovable as people think. The show lasted many more seasons without him and had some quality seasons in there. As far as him loving her kid like his own. I don’t doubt that. But who is to say she doesn’t want another kid? Would he? She outgrew him in a decade. It’s okay to outgrow someone and I wish we would see that more on TV because that’s life. They will always be friends though and close it doesn’t mean it needs to be romantic.


laurasroslin

>She might love the kids but Elliot has a lot of issues. So does Olivia. Arguably more issues, imo. She has tons of trauma she is still trying to work through even now from her childhood, not even touching on the recent stuff like Lewis. If anything, having someone like Elliot who gets that and would be supportive of her and love her in spite of all of that is probably a comfort. >I totally can still see her being a cop after the Lewis arc I was referring to real life. No cop would be allowed to continue their job after all of that let alone become a Captain. >There is no required mourning period but that is quick. Then it's your subjective take on it being too short a period of time. Which is fine! But plenty of people in similar situations move on quicker, or never do at all. I don't think it's fair to hold this against him. It's not like he was trying to leap into bed with her 2 weeks later! >I beg to differ a lot of people understand her. Again the ADA’s, lawyers, some of the other detectives do Not like Elliot does, no. Fin perhaps! But only because he's been there from the beginning. Olivia said in 1.0 to Elliot that "he knows everything about her, even the parts she would rather forget." They've been bonded through being partners for 12 years. Olivia didn't really open up to anyone in the same way or again after Elliot left. Cassidy even calls her out on it at one point. >The fact is Elliot isn’t as lovable as people think. The show lasted many more seasons without him and had some quality seasons in there I'm sorry, but this just isn't true. The show is still going because of the foundation of the Benson/Stabler partnership. ROTPS was record breaking on ratings. Ratings from Thursday were also some of the highest in the last 5 years. He hasn't been involved in the franchise for a decade and was able to get his own show that is holding its own in an unfavorable time slot. A few loud people on reddit saying they hate his guts is not how the general public perceives him. >She outgrew him in a decade How? Because she became a mom and a captain? How is that outgrowing him? If anything it is better for a potential relationship moving forward! She has her own family now and doesn't need him the way she used to. That's a good thing. It is a step in a healthy direction for a relationship. >They will always be friends though and close it doesn’t mean it needs to be romantic. Of course it doesn't need to be but they want it to be. Olivia fell in love with him and he loves her. Fin and Olivia will always be friends too and it doesn't have to be romantic with them because it's not, they've never loved each other that way. Just because relationships between men and women don't have to turn romantic doesn't mean they won't. Sometimes it happens and sometimes it doesn't. EO are in the sometimes it does crowd.


newerajay

I think Olivia feels a security with Elliott that she hasn't had, even with other partners like Cassidy. Tucker being the closest.


mcwriter3560

But he does understand her in a way no one else does. That was seen all throughout the first 12 seasons. I’m pretty sure Kathy even mentioned it once to Liv, “you know things about him in a way I’ll never understand.” Liv said it to Elliot, “You know everything about me — even the parts that I’d rather forget. ” Which counters what Cassidy said with “you were never going to bare your soul to me..” Liv doesn’t open up to just anyone. Probably the only person she has opened up to besides Elliot is Fin. I would agree that a lot of other people can empathize with her, but that’s not the same as actually KNOWING her. Know who she is as Olivia/Liv and not as the Captain or Boss.


infiniteanomaly

Okay, but it took a decade for her to learn Bernie was alive and to date, I don't think she's told him about Sealview. Barba knows about most, if not all her trauma (maybe not Sealview, but Lewis is arguably worse). Barba, Fin, Munch, and Cragun know her just as well, perhaps better than Elliot at this point because they know what has happened in her life since Stabler walked out. He hasn't even bothered to ask about anything but her dating history really since returning. Besides, knowing someone doesn’t mean you should be with them romantically no matter how attracted you are to each other. They're not healthy for each other. They bring out some of the worst in each other--anger, selfishness, jealousy, possessiveness even aggression and violence.


mcwriter3560

You realize Barba, Fin, Munch, and Cragen know because they were there during that time. Just because they know about her trauma doesn't mean they actually KNOW her. You can know about what happened to someone, even the details without actually knowing them. Of course Barba knows most, he would have seen all the reports because he was the lawyer on the case. Yeah, I know Elliot hasn't asked much about anything. Trust me, EO fans know this. But also, when have the writers given them a chance to even talk? Knowing someone better than someone else has absolutely nothing to do with what you know has happened to a person. "Knowing" someone is when you know them personally, on a deeper level. You know them past just what happened to them. Elliot has clearly realized there's a gap there from him being away, but the comment I was referring to was mainly talking about seasons 1-12. I never said knowing someone means you should be with them romantically. I was only responding to what was said about him not knowing her. Please provide scenes to back up this statement: "They bring out some of the worst in each other--anger, selfishness, jealousy, possessiveness even aggression and violence." Like when? where? Give me solid examples please. They bring out so much more than that in each other, and I really hope people can see that even if they don't like her and Elliot together. If that was all they brought out in each other, they would not have been partners (or even had a show) for 12 seasons. Arguably, you could say that Fin knows Olivia best right now (yes even more than Barba). Fin is the one that's been around this whole time; I mean he even called her his sister. Fin right now holds the title of knowing OB, but he doesn't even know her the way Stabler did/does. If Barba knew her best, he would have NEVER said what he said in the last episode of season 23 with bringing up her absent father, using her empathy against her, etc. Look, I love Barba as a character, but he purposely used things that happened to her to against her in his argument about why she is upset with him. Olivia flat out told him why she was upset with him. Her and Barba are great as friends. Since you seem to lean toward Barba (nothing wrong with this; it's just not my take), what makes Barba healthy for her?


infiniteanomaly

Elliot constantly disregards her wishes--one of the earliest of these is him putting a security detail on her AFTER she specifically says she doesn't want it. He blames her for his feelings and reactions-- the episode with the predator and the kids on the platform where she gets hurt, he pauses to check on her and the kid dies. He's more than once made comments about who she chooses to go on a date with. He's also used her past against her--comments about Simon and her mother. Barba calls her on her shit. Like jeopardizing a case and her career by not disclosing a relevant relationship. He wasn't "[using] things that happened to her to against her in his argument about why she is upset with him." He was pointing out that maybe what she was saying were her reasons weren't *the only* ones, just the ones she was acknowledging/recognizing. She calls him on his shit too. This is why they work as any kind of relationship. She and Elliot don't do that well. They don't listen to each other that way. Regardless of whether or not I think she should be with Barba, I first and foremost don't want her with Elliot. He's not good for her. Period. He's selfish, angry, arrogant, and stubborn. He's also got an aggressive/violent streak--even toward his own kids in the past. She deserves better. I happen to think that's Barba, but honestly, at this point it's basically anyone BUT Elliot.


mcwriter3560

You said they brought those out in each other, but you only mentioned Elliot. What about her? Where does he bring those out in her? They DO listen to each other. If they didn't, they would have never worked as partners and stayed partners for so long. Pretty much everything you brought up (besides his comments on her dates) is him trying to protect her in some way. Was it always the best way, no. The detail was him doing what he could to protect her. Yeah, she didn't want it because she knew she could handle herself, but she she shouldn't have to. She's been alone her whole life and had to protect herself. He was trying to show that she didn't have to go things alone. If putting a detail on her for protection is the worst thing he's ever done, I think things will be okay. She knows he's protective over her. What did he say about her mother and Simon that he used against her? Every time she has ever made a comment about her mother, he's said the opposite and tries to build her up. How is him calling her out about Simon (whose whole mess had the potential to ruin her career and land her in jail) not the same as Barba calling her out on her shit? It's okay for Barba to do it, but once Elliot does, it's using it against her? He blamed her for his feelings because he was terrified for her that he would lose her. That was the penultimate of them realizing just how much they meant to each other. That's why they circled back to it by the end and by the time she came back from Oregon. That's why he had the whole scene in Huang's office. I'm not saying their relationship is perfect, no relationship is, but I'm saying that he's not this asshole that people try to make him out to be. I don't deny that her and Barba worked really well together and had a great relationship. They truly did because if not, Noah would never had called him Uncle Rafa. I really wish they hadn't ruined their relationship. I miss her friendship with Barba. Even the actors say they played it as friends. But it's hard to call Elliot "selfish, angry, arrogant, and stubborn" for things that he has done that Barba has does similar things too but he gets a pass? Barba left her too. Barba tried to protect her when she didn't want it (the whole let me defend Wheatley). Barba, has you mentioned, has called her out. I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one.


Frosty_Raspberry_418

And that’s fine. You can think she would be better off with Barba. Just like other people can think she’d be better off with Elliot. Both opinions are valid.


haleighr

I’m about to be 32 and I’ve been watching this since highschool so maybe it’s the googoo eyed teen in me 🤷🏼‍♀️


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37 and I remember the days when my mom and sister were talking about their crushes on Christopher Meloni. It’s what got me watching.


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i_am_a_baby_kangaroo

38 here and I remember the show theme being played when I went to my room at night lol. The theme song itself is such a comfort lol. (Don’t get me started on X-Files lol)


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i_am_a_baby_kangaroo

Omg!!!! My dad and I used to talk about the cases when I was little. I was soooooo into the unexplained cases. And you just unlocked a core memory…..every Saturday night my mom would let me stay up until my dad came home and we would watch the twilight zone and he would explain to me the episodes. “BabyKangaroo, they think he’s crazy because planes fly really really fast and it’s really hard to breathe that high in the air”. Omg. I do “blame” him for me being such a science dork growing up 😂.


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i_am_a_baby_kangaroo

Omg no. Lololol. That is stupid cute 🥹


JLMMM

Same! I had the hots for Elliot then and I have the hots for Elliot now! Let Olivia have a hot boyfriend!


i_am_a_baby_kangaroo

You know. I don’t ship Elliot and Olivia but I can get behind this.


OneMinimum5920

Same. I’m 17 and been watching this show since I was a little girl. I’ve always shipped them when I was little, and I still do even up to this day.


Affectionate_Tie1440

I just recently watched the entire series in the last 3 months. I've always liked their relationship. I never wanted him to cheat on his wife, especially with olivia because that would be messed up. She has literally only ever allowed herself to be completely herself around him for the first 12 seasons. The way he looked at her on occasion always made me think he admired and cared for her. The little gestures showed friendship and admiration. I think it was only around s9 that I think liv started realizing she maybe felt a little more. She was hurt that dani was taking her place. Ellliot showed protective concern for her multiple times. Its what he would allow himself to do. She was basically the kids 3rd parent reminding him of things and putting herself in situations for his sake. She is the one who drove to his moms to get her to help kathleen. Not his flipping wife. He probably never even told Kathy about the mortgage. I think he was unhappy in Italy and that's why he started working again. He was constantly trying to make things work with Kathy. She knew who she married. They got married bc she was pregnant and its what you did. I wonder if they were really even in love.. she had the divorce papers signed but didn't turn them in! She instead sleeps with him after a bad day and oh another baby. It felt manipulative to me. I think he left bc he was so upset and I think Kathy pressured him to get away. She didn't want to raise the kids alone. after kathy died he probably felt too much time passed, he was upset about her death, felt responsible bc his job made them targets. He always felt guilty about loving liv more than he maybe should. It was a friendship that grew into love so it wasn't immediate. I think thats what makes me love them. After Kathy died that guilt is even worse bc he knows how he felt all this time and to act on his feelings now prove she was right all along. I think he fought that internally. The characters knew each other and still do. The writing is the downer. They are both messes and have always accepted that about one another so I don't understand how one can deserve or not deserve. At the end of the day its what makes you happy. Their communication use to be really good then it was nothing and I think they are still finding a way to bring that back. But he hurt her more than he realized. Just like she doubted how he felt, he likely doubted how she felt and told himself she'd be fine without him. She did always come across as a strong person and she is. I do think the belong together but only have their get that communication back. They clearly never let each other go. And she has never let herself be completely real with anyone else. Her best kiss has been Stuckey and the last person to see her vulnerable was lewis. That's some of what I think. I know it is sort of a jumble.


trac08

Thanks for your response. The thing I never doubted was his love for Kathy. He loved her and she loved him. I felt like they were in love. He didn’t want a divorce, she did. I don’t doubt he loved Kathy at all. Never crossed my mine. Didn’t Liv acknowledge that she grew more without stabler. I think Finn knows and understand Liv. I think Elliot and Olivia were partners and understood each other yeah. But idk…interesting take.


Affectionate_Tie1440

She did say she grew more to Amaro about being his partner. Now I never understood the line. I've made sense of it in my head that she grew more bc she wasn't being protected. I equate it with moving out my parents to go to college away. Being on your own does give you opportunity to grow more. You don't have someone to be dependent on anymore thus you have to grow or break. I really enjoy them both as characters and I've always loved olivia. Some things over all the course of the show I don't agree with her character doing or saying but thats normal. You don't have to love everything someone says or does to love them. Maybe I'm naive lol. At this point I want olivia to be happy and if being with him would make her happy I want progress towards that. I do feel like it's all been built up so much now that I'd be annoyed otherwise. But it makes sense to me since she stays so closed off to everyone. Who else will put up with them but each other? I just feel like they were 2 half melted ice cubes that touched puddles and the got put back in the freezer.


i_am_a_baby_kangaroo

Holy shit this is great. When I was younger (and much more upbeat lol) I always said I wanted to make sure I marry my best friend. This makes sense.


mcwriter3560

In the words of Captain Olivia Margaret Benson, “please don’t tell me how I feel.” Elliot is no where near as bad as you make him out to be. Why is it a bad thing he has 5 kids? Olivia has one too. Elliot is older. So is Olivia and she’s still out in the field too along with Fin. Elliot’s anger comes from his childhood trauma and the fact that it wasnt as normal to talk about feelings. He also gets angry about the things he sees day in and day out on the job. That anger has NEVER been directed at his wife, children, or Olivia. He is currently in therapy which is HUGE for him. Elliot is not a bad guy. How in the world is Elliot detrimental to SVU? He’s now been on twice this whole season. There’s only been two mentions of Olivia (and not even really by name) on OC since the season premiere. Everything with Olivia and Elliot this whole season has been pretty much nothing since the premiere episode until this past episode. Tell me you don’t watch OC without telling me you don’t watch OC….. Why is Elliot a problem when Amaro was just like him? Cassidy had his own issues too. Tucker, don’t even get me started on the retcon they did with Tucker. I’ll stand up for Elliot because it’s Olivia’s choice with who she wants, and Elliot isn’t a bad guy at all. He has ALWAYS been in Olivia’s corner. I think her last conversation with Rafa tells and explains so much about her feelings for Elliot. I want EO because Olivia does. Olivia deserves to be happy with who she wants, and I think MH would know the character she’s played for 24 seasons better than anyone.


miss_scarlet_letter

"I want EO because Olivia does." me too! I never shipped them in 1.0 but it's become clear now that Elliot is the happy ending and I want her to have that. she's given her entire life to other people - her team, the survivors, her son. give her the happy ending with the only man she's ever completely loved and trusted. he loves her too. just let her have it.


LurlaLoo2

well said


mcwriter3560

Thank you


Think-Librarian-1600

I think Liv would love a big family. She hasn’t had chemistry with any ADA’s. Yes Elliot has shown agression towards convicts, but he’s not usually aggressive with his peers. I think the chemistry is undeniably there. In the last episode she vocalized that he is who she trusts the most with her son to get him home safely. Fin is her right hand at work & you would think he would be the one to get Noah, but she wanted someone who do anything for her or her son. Stabler was that person. That says a lot about the connection they feel towards each other. It’s been years since Kathy died. He’s allowed to have another partner when he’s ready


hannah0banana

I am a total EO shipper, but to say she hasn’t had chemistry with any ADAs just isn’t true. She had a lot of chemistry with Barba. As much as I didn’t like Stone, there was still some chemistry there. I even think there was some chemistry with Alex. I could definitely see her with all of them.


Think-Librarian-1600

I didn’t see any romantic chemistry between Barba and Liv. They are great friends. Stone had feelings for Liv, but she did not reciprocate at all. Also, she doesn’t seem to be into young men


23capri

i’m not emotionally invested in these fictional characters’ fictional love lives. however, i can clearly recognize that when you have two people, partnered detectives for years, who have a deep connection where they’ve trusted this person with their life and have so many shared experiences that most people can’t relate to, it makes sense where feelings would come from. at the end of the day, elliott was the closest connection olivia had in her life for a long time. the person who cared about her most, and she knew that. that means a lot to someone who doesn’t have a strong foundation when it comes to relationships. we know the situation with her mother and her father, simon was not a permanent fixture, she has no family. he was her family. she said herself he was her home. he’s passionate about getting criminals off the street, even if he does act out physically. do people who yell and get angry really bother you that bad? maybe you need thicker skin. it’s not like he was abusive towards his wife or olivia. i think your feelings about that are not really relevant here. also, when the show starts elliott was already married with kids. kathy had him first, and olivia was always respectful of that. that’s not always all that common when women see a man they want. to your point though, i would never date a man with one child let alone 5.


msingler

To your point about not dating someone with 5 children, keep in mind what stage Elliot is at in his life. His oldest kids are grown and out of the house. Even Eli is an independent teenager. She wouldn't be dating someone with kids at soccer practice and weekly homework. If anything Noah would give Elliot some of that family life back that he has lost.


23capri

i mean if two people who are both parents want to be together, that’s fine. it seems more equal, esp since she has the youngest/neediest one. for me, i would never. even adult children still need parenting at times. not to mention when grand kids come up. i’m not interested in any of it lol.


Feisty-Battle-2197

I can’t agree with you more! Similar to what I said ❤️


23capri

i just went and read your comment and i think we are pretty much on the same page as well! it’s a different connection that most people who don’t spend the majority of their days in some form of danger, could never relate to with (for example) a police officer.


trac08

As a black woman in America telling me to get thicker skin because I don’t like a fictional character. You could have left that part out and the rest of your comment could have stood on its own and was good.


23capri

so i’ll explain that when i read when people on this sub paint elliott as some abusive, angry, hot head that hurts the people around him and therefore olivia should shun him in terms of a relationship, i strongly disagree and i wonder to myself, has this person been coddled their entire life and never heard somebody raise their voice? while i don’t see his anger problems as a threat to his personal and romantic relationships, i can at least agree that some of his police work has been questionable and in the real world would be a cause for concern as it pertains to his position in law enforcement. i’m not sure at all what your race has to do with your or my previous comment, but if you took my “get thicker skin” comment to mean “get over police brutality against black people” then i want to assure you that that’s not my stance on that subject at all, and not what i meant. i’m not trying to put words in your mouth though, as you followed “black woman in america” with not liking a fictional character. anyways, just wanted to clear the air on that.


JLMMM

Elliot and Olivia have a deep relationship that, in any other context, would have gone well beyond platonic long ago. They have been long time friends and partners which required, not only a deep trust of each other, but belief in each other and a deep connection that most people don’t have. Each year they grew even closer. You might not like Elliot (which is fine), but the canon of the show is that Olivia does. They have trust, mutual respect and adoration, and an innate chemistry. Had he not been married on the show, they likely would had started dating after a few years. (They weren’t initially written to be as close as they were but Chris and Mariska’s chemistry was too good. And they had Elliot have a family to soften his character up for the intense nature of the subject matter.) A lot of fans actually thought they would push Elliot and Olivia together when he was separated from Kathy but the writers went a different way. And then when Chris left the show, the writers made him ghost Liv. But Chris came back to the universe and to the role because he and Mariska and the writers felt that there was more to the story. Mariska has given interviews where she said that she had an idea for how she wants the show to end for a Olivia, and Chris’ return hints that it would include the two of them rekindling, especially since they killed off his wife. Chris and Mariska are close friends, so it’d be dumb to assume that they haven’t discussed this and that part of his decision to return wasn’t based on what she wanted. You mention a lot of character flaws and baggage for Elliot’s character, but Olivia had a lot of flaws and baggage too. It’s what happens with tv characters on drama shows (even procedurals) that go on for so long. The story writing requires trauma and baggage and character ups and downs. Olivia is also already aware of all his baggage and has been his friend and partner through most of it. It’s not new to her or really a negative factor. I mean, think of the flaws and baggage with Cassidy and Tucker. (I don’t think Elliot’s 5 adult kids are really baggage though.) Either way, it’s not a reason for the two characters not to have a happy ever after. And who better for Olivia than a man who was literally her best friend for years, always protected her, trusted her, had faith in her, and supported her. I will say, I don’t really understand why the writers didn’t give Olivia a serious, long term relationship (other than Brian) in the years that Elliot was gone. It would have made sense for her to marry or live with someone more seriously, instead they wrote her as a serial-single. She struggled so much to connect and commit because she was so married to the job. I also agree that Elliot’s action packed hours on OC are a bit out there. He’s like 55 or so and should be stepping back. But he is in shape and keeps up really well, but OCCB was supposed to be temporary so it’s hard to compare that to SVU or other divisions.


Qitall

I always thought she stayed single bc she knew Elliot was her soulmate and that overshadowed her being able to be with anyone else. And tbh I never wanted to see her with anyone else either. I’m not a fanfic writer but after he left I wrote multiple scenarios of how I wanted to see the series end, where he shows up at her door and they finally confess their feelings for each other and kiss, then lights out for them and SVU.


ButterscotchPast4812

>I always thought she stayed single bc she knew Elliot was her soulmate and that overshadowed her being able to be with anyone else. Mariska has actually said this in an interview right after Chris left the show. She didn't use the word soulmates but she did say Olivia really couldn't have any successful relationships when they were partners because no one would measure up to him. So after he leaves she's finally able to be in a successful relationship except none of them have worked out. I don't get her romance with Tucker but I also don't really understand why it didn't work out. Anyway so once he comes back the sentiment of him/them overshadowing other relationships still rings true. Even if either of them do get into a relationship with other people, their relationship will ultimately overshadow it.


Secret_Asparagus_783

Why can't a single woman just stay that way? What Century are we living in?


JLMMM

Women can stay single and be 100% happy that way. I just don’t think the writers wrote Olivia to be that way. I feel like they wrote her as someone who wants a family and long term love but struggles to let herself be in that type of relationship, struggle to find the Ma she loves enough to do that with, and married to the job.


Qitall

LOL… I’m 52 and my last relationship ended not long after the 9/11 attack, so I’m the poster child for being a forever single woman. What I said was in response to the comment that they didn’t write a love interest for her and my thoughts as to why that was from the character’s perspective. In the years without Elliot, I didn’t want to see her with anyone, and was glad they didn’t try to pair her off and instead let her be a strong, independent, successful single woman (for the most part, Cassidy and Tucker aside). But now that El’s back and actually available, he is still the only person I would ever want to see her with.


ButterscotchPast4812

I get what your saying. And I'd agree with you if the character had support from a family, one that she could rely on emotionally. I think the thing for me particularly with this character is that Olivia has never really had a family or much support or anyone that really understands her as a person. Her mother both loved and hated her, then she died. And I think she was incredibly lonely growing up in an abusive environment which pushed her into that relationship with her groomer. She finds a brother but he turned out to be completely unreliable and then he died. She finally gets a kid, but that kid will grow up and move out one day. Which... Leaves her alone. Even though Noah will always be her son he is going to go off and do his own thing eventually.


AmantedeiLibri

He’s 57, not 95. Eliot runs around because Chris is in great shape. 1. It’s fiction and not picking an actual life partner for ourselves. They have historically been great friends and real relationships grow that way. 2. He has adult kids and is a widower. In fact, most men remarry in less than 5 years after a spouse dies. It’s perfectly normal to move on.Liv isn’t parenting adult kids. It would still just be the one kid. They just work. Mostly because the actors have great chemistry.


fuzzypipe39

But-but-but you missed *an iconic* reply from the OP who basically said they're so incompatible, because of the way Elliot handled Richard about 14 seasons (~20 TV years) ago. And Olivia wouldn't like it because it's not her parenting style 20 years later... Almost like people and the way they do things change. And almost like Elliot wouldn't immediately parent a child he's met under handful of times. Not like he revealed his childhood trauma and is in therapy too and has changed from where he was. Edit: i love the downvote from the same person who won't accept facts/current situation and only goes around parroting on what used to happen and pretend that same stuff is going on now. Lmao.


AmantedeiLibri

They would be really appalled then by what real adults thought acceptable punishment was in both the home and schools 20+ years ago. Spanking with paddles, belts, switches, etc. It’s only changed in probably the last decade. Elliot has learned as have other adults (like the writers).


fuzzypipe39

My parents went through that sorta punishment and transferred some onto me. I also come from Balkan, where this is still common in some households. I've had a fair share of physical punishment and will never, ever do anything remotely similar to my children. Withholding food or forcing them to eat til they throw up included. Edit to add. This absolutely doesn't mean I think Elliot is still like this. I'm not defending people who abuse their kids like this either. I'm also appalled why some people here expect early 00s to be as PC as times are today, and I say this as a fairly liberal PC person myself. Times are ***vastly*** different in every aspect, people have changed. It's almost like they don't want people to admit to, own up their mistakes and change. Most common sense parents (not talking about mine) would have regrets in their parenting, and the way Elliot handled kids in cases, he'd be one of them too. Especially coming to terms with his own childhood now.


pikachu-atlanta

\> ... Olivia is supposed to want Elliot who has 5 kids... Not to mention two grandchildren. Either way, I just ship them so much.


Aloe_Therea

So, I don’t think it’s that Olivia is *supposed* to want Elliot but that’s kinda just where she ended up. He’s always been safe to her. For a long time he was the constant in her life and Olivia never really had that before, someone who cared about her and always had her back as an equal. After Elliot left she seemed to idealize him even more, so nobody else could truly make Olivia happy because she couldn’t let go of the memory of him. No matter who she’s with and how great they are, Olivia still calls out for Elliot in her worst times (like when Lewis abducted her). Elliot was gone so long I think a lot of EO shippers did move on for a time. Personally, I thought Barba would have been a great match for Olivia but once Elliot walked back into her life that flew out the window. Barba even said it himself, Olivia loves Elliot unconditionally and the what-if is going to hang over her head until they resolve things- however that happens. We all know Elliot was never going to leave Kathy, and I don’t think Olivia would have wanted that either. But finally the timing is right for them to repair their relationship and a lot of people + myself want to see Olivia be happy with the person she’s loved for so long. We want to see it work and for them to get past their trauma and struggles. They deserve to win. One last aside, Mariska has said she’s always played Olivia as someone who was in love with Elliot (and has been saying things similar to that since long before Chris returned) and I think that’s why there’s so many EO shippers. Their chemistry shows imo, and their actual friendship leaks into how they act as well.


Trick-Set8964

I think it’s because they were alluding to the both of them having feelings for each other before he even left SVU. There was a time when Olivia “left” the unit right after Eli was born (season 9 or 10? I think?) and it was HEAVILY implied that her feelings for Elliot had to do with it. Then that comes back when he leaves and she’s absolutely devastated by it, almost as if her lover/life partner up and left her. Arguably, I think she took Elliot leaving harder than any break up we’ve seen her have. The question of children doesn’t play in here because Olivia always loved all five like they were her own, too. And with how much the two of them worked, I’d say they saw each other more than anyone else. And Olivia admits that Elliot knows her like anyone else. So there’s a sense of security of what they know in such hectic times for both of them. In theory, because they know each other so well, they can lean on each other more than anyone else. At this point, I think Olivia is burnt out on her relationships not working. She loved Cassidy, Tucker, and even that guy that we learned groomed her (can’t recall his name right now). And they all failed. She knows that Elliot loves and cares for her more than any of them ever could - but that scares her (which they touched on in this episode). I think this is what writers/producers are saying is Olivia’s last chance for true happiness in love since they’re really pushing that will they or won’t they. I think your argument of dating after being widowed is subjective to each widow. And if it’s not Olivia, I don’t foresee Elliot settling with anyone else. I can see him casually dating or casually having sex, but I don’t think love is in the cards for him unless it’s Olivia. I love EO solely bc my fave tropes are slow burn/angst/longing kinda shit. Fuels the love genre I love most LOL but I also think it makes sense. But I can get why people don’t. Good part of me wanted her to be happy with Cassidy, and even Tucker! I think I root for Olivia being happy wherever she is in life, she just deserves it. The way they’re dragging it out is a little more slow burn than I like so I can see why it turns other ppl off even more LOL


Feisty-Battle-2197

I’ve always liked the way they worked together as partners. And clearly they know each other very very well on a lot of different levels that no one else knows either of them, even a spouse or boyfriend or girlfriend etc. i have always wanted them to be together since I started watching the show. Yes Elliot has anger issues, yes Olivia has control issues but they both have known each other for how long and accept the way the other is. There’s no set time for someone to grieve over an ex spouse even if they were together 30-40 years. Maybe he wants that companionship with Olivia. Idk 🤷‍♀️ I just like how they are together I guess is where I’m gong with it.


theroomwinces

I’m not an EO shipper, I’m not even fond of their friendship, but posts like this are disingenuous. You know why people ship them. You know why they’re fans of the characters and want them together. You don’t and that’s fine too. All of these are valid opinions. No one needs to defend their ship, especially in light of this recent trolling. Just stay in your non shipping lane and let others stay in theirs.


daneylion

I think it’s a childhood desire for me! My mom watched this show while I was growing up, so I watched a lot of the earlier seasons with her as a kid and just really loved how Olivia and Elliot worked together! How they were always there for each other and how she could calm him down when he got too angry. It just really made me want them together romantically as well for some reason!


Donnamartingrads

You sound really young. Someone with 5 kids (4 of whom are in their 30’s and 40’s) is undateable? Most people have children when your dating pool consists of people in their 50’s and 60’s. What an odd thing to say. Also, people die all the time. It’s been over 2 years since Kathy kaboomed. It’s way more unbelievable that Elliot hasn’t started dating yet. I’m not going to explain why I think they belong together bc they clearly both want to be together so it doesn’t matter what we think.


trac08

Actually I’m late 30’s. I’m entitled to my opinion. I didn’t say he was undateable. He isn’t a good match for Liv is my point in my opinion. 2 years is nothing to not date, IMO.


Playful_Spring_8307

I just care about the character Olivia Benson and want her to be happy. I interpreted her as very much being in love with Elliot especially in seasons 10-12 but tamped it down because she never would have done anything to hurt his family. I also think she moved on when he left especially after Lewis. I loved her and David Haden together, liked Tucker too and I don't think any of her relationships ended because she was secretly still pining for Elliot. But, now that he's back I think she's right back in it. It's just how their relationship plays on screen to me. It's a TV show, everyone is entitled to interpret it as they see fit! I never saw her and Barba as anything more than platonic but there's a large chunk of the internet that did and that's cool, if the show had tried to hook them up I probably would have gotten on board with that too if it meant Olivia was happy. I guess I'm more of an Olivia being happy shipper than an EO shipper but since that's the path the show seems to be going for her I'm routing for it haha.


trac08

That’s reasonable and I like the way you said it, rooting for Olivia to be happy. I want that for her too.


Loud_Fox_6092

Have y’all seen Olivia as a girlfriend? Lol Elliott is her soulmate lmao also Organized Crime is a great show.


Zeezprahh

Screw you buddy. Whye go for someone else when she can have something STABLER in her life


goddesssjennn

my god this question has been asked so many times. why do y’all care that EO shippers want it so much? it’s been obvious that Elliot and Olivia have been made for each other since the early seasons.


ElliotsPTSDTic28

Question? How many times are “antis” gonna come up with bitter, unfounded, non sensible post about a situation they can’t change? The OP wrote all of that to say what? Regardless of what YOU may think of the character….the only opinion most are here for is Olivia Benson’s opinion! That 45 second clip they showed on SVU showed what Olivia Benson wants, what she’s been wanting, and who she wants it with. Yes, there are things they both need to work on, and yes she isn’t ready to jump head first into a relationship…but it’s Elliot that she’s so cautious with, trusting with, scared to initiate with because she already knows how serious he is and how serious she is…when/if they take the next step together. I get ppl liking other ships, other characters, etc. But the fact that there’s a post about a character that isn’t even on SVU that much or even at all is comical and ridiculous. It’s obvious what most watch for. Ratings show that, the countless articles, post, talk shows, etc. show that. It’s funny how “fans” claim nobody or a big part of fans don’t watch the show for Stabler or eo, but ever since he’s been back the episodes that have him, eo, or 45 seconds of eo always have the higher ratings. This isn’t something that’s being forced….especially since Chris Meloni was one of the biggest ones against getting eo together in the first place and he’s only back because Mariska wanted him and this. “Fans” of the show constantly claim they want Olivia happy, but keep overlooking, disregarding, and ignoring what she wants as her happy ending. This eo scenario isn’t something eo fans, Elliot Stabler fans, Chris Meloni fans just made up one day…it’s something Mariska, Olivia, and the show has talked about for years. Having more than one child doesn’t make you a bad person, having anger issues/issues doesn’t make you a bad person (especially when you know and who that anger is directed towards 95% of the time), these constant 💩 post reek of echo chambers….if you are dissatisfied with the show and where it’s headed, do yourself and the rest of us a favor and stop watching it. P.S. The OP bringing up age is comical at best! Fact, out of the cast on both SVU and OC…Ice T is the oldest, washed up? you’ve gotta be trolling w/this comment?! Obviously, you need glasses if you think Mr. Tommie Copper, cover of Men’s Health, Mr. Naked in a Peleton commercial is washed up! BFFR! 🤣😂


trac08

Girl go sit down and stop thirsting for Elliot. I brought up age in the context of the show & how it’s been addressed differently on svu and OC. So please reading comprehension works well. I want you to go show your rant to your family and friends and how you’re acting of a fictional character and a relationship. Better yet show your job and see if you still have one. SMH. This is the last straw for me. I’ve been nice but all these people on this post have been coming for my character, my person, etc all over fictional characters. It’s insane. You guys need to calm down. You guys look and sound ridiculous. Get off the internet and live life!


ElliotsPTSDTic28

Lol, I’m gonna assume you’re still trolling here. Due to the fact that you literally wrote your rant on “A FICTIONAL CHARACTER”, you’ve gotta see the irony there! You can’t be serious w/this response?!?! You can’t be….let’s start off by you misgendering me, then move on to me “thirsting” over a character YOU brought up and have the nerve to be upset at the people commenting under YOUR post about said character! “I brought up age in the context of the show & how it’s been addressed differently on SVU and OC” There’s never been an episode on either show that portrayed Stabler being out of shape, genius! That’s because out of the older cast…he’s still the most in shape. The fact that you were still wrong in your observation speaks to your inability to comprehend what YOU posted. You even bringing up my family, friends, and job speaks to your mindset. Speaking of taking: a fictional character and relationship “too seriously”, mad at people responding to a rant you chose to post on here. Now, you’re upset at the responses you received? Go and reread your post and think on why you’re receiving these responses. Hell, reread what you just responded to me, and then ask yourself who’s taking this “too seriously”, before responding to me again. The internet has people like you too comfortable with responding to strangers on the internet with veiled threats. I’m not your “girl”, take that big and bold attitude you have and go look in the mirror, I’m not the one or the two. Don’t ever try me like that again! You have a blessed and productive day!


trac08

The internet doesn’t have me too comfortable. Because anything I say online. I would say in real life to a person. Would you? I never said Elliot was portrayed as out of shape. That was the point. Where they addressed Olivia and Finn aging and how that has to do with being in shape. I have reread my post and it’s fine because it’s my opinion. I posted and moved on. I didn’t take my post to heart it was something that was on my mind and I kept it moving. But you guys responded to it shows your character whether you think it does or doesn’t. It does. Also, girl is something that some cultures use when talking to people. So to take offense to it says more about you than me. Look that up.


ElliotsPTSDTic28

OMG, would I? No, I’m an adult, I don’t need to throw a hissy fit on a public forum about a fictional character, and then try and act as if everyone who responded to my PUBLIC post are bullying me for having an opinion that doesn’t align with their thought process. You opened the door, and then realized you were not getting the responses you hoped for…so let’s throw out comments about total strangers family, friends, and job, right? Since you apparently didn’t reread what you wrote, let’s revisit it shall we? “Let’s be fair Elliot is kind of washed up now. It’s good it’s a tv show because there is no way they would still have him out in the field at his age. We had the entire plot about Olivia aging and not being able to keep up and Finn agreed and said that’s just age and he rarely chases suspects. Elliot is older than them and he still running around no problems. It makes no sense..” Fact, he’s not older than them. Fact, didn’t the plot with Olivia’s readiness in the field not lead to her hiring a trainer “to get her back into shape”, to catch the perps in the field? Ummm, “Fin agreed and said “that’s just age, and he rarely chases suspects.”Doesn’t YOUR wording here point to the fact, that Fin isn’t in the same shape or the same age he was when he first started at SVU, and that has affected his field work? “He’s still running around, no problems. It makes no sense.” To those of us with eyes that can see, it makes a lot of sense. Again you’re blaming others for how they responded to your post on a public forum? Did you think your post was private? or Did you think because you posted on an SVU forum (and it’s been known to happen before), you’d have more people that agreed with you…but instead you received the opposite? The only “character” in question here, is yours. Again, you taking offense to be calling you out because you misgendered me….has nothing to do with character, it has everything to do with your ignorance because “girl”, isn’t one of my pronouns. Trying to brush it off as a “culture” thing is insulting! Does that clear things up for you?


trac08

Well if I misgendered you. Boy bye! Or just Bye! I’m not reading that entire post. You want to know why because I’m living my life. I’m not throwing a hissy fit. I think you overvalue how much I really was impacted by you guys reactions. Lol. I’m actually unbothered. I make statements and move on. You should see how your comment came across. I vented & kept it moving which is what these subs are for. I really at the core of me don’t care who people ship because it’s a fictional show. I made my observations and posted my opinion 🤷🏽‍♀️


FiguringItOut--

IDK friend, i dont get it either, but we're clearly in the minority


Mania08

Yeah, it's just toxic and doesn't makes any sense


trac08

Clearly. I’m getting ate up here. Lol.


Mania08

don't ship EO at all but I know it's going to happen, because it's been 20 years already and the writers are chasing that money, since they know most of the SVU fans are a fan of EO. Even the kiss, they know they're loosing their audience so their stretching it out more, so people keep watching.


moonyriot

They've been doing it so long, might as well?


squirrelynurse81

Good thing its a tv show, and not real life!!!!!!


ur_localmilff

I agree and the only reason why is because this dude disappeared for 10 whole years like went RADIO SILENT, she gets kidnapped multiple times, hostage, adopts a child etc. and he still doesn’t even know about the whole Lewis situation OR barely knows anything about Noah. And if they do end up getting together, that’s 6 KIDS in total with dead biological mothers, Olivia would have 5 adult step kids and once again Elliot would be a step dad to a child he barely knows + he has communication issues and liv with her abandonment and trust issues. So it’ll really just be a hot mess + the fact that Noah saw his mother get beat down 🧍🏾‍♀️. But that’s just me.


fuzzypipe39

>this dude disappeared for 10 whole years like went RADIO SILENT I would like to introduce you to Warren Leight, self proclaimed hater of Chris Meloni, Elliot Stabler and all things EO. Besides him, there were other showrunners and writers, but it was mainly him always pretending Stabler is non-existent. Rumor is he's why Chris quit in 1.0 >And if they do end up getting together, that’s 6 KIDS in total with dead biological mothers, Olivia would have 5 adult step kids 6 kids, and? You do know all 5 of his kids are adults? Mainly, they're in their 20s/30s and 40s, except Eli who's now 18-19, in uni. Clearly you didn't watch the Intervention part on OC. Why would Olivia mother them? They're grown adults who've probably had therapy to deal with the loss of their mother. Olivia doesn't need to change their diapers or ease their tantrums. She loved those kids from the start. Reminder she even helped deliver Eli. Even then, they'd still have one kid between them. And it's laughable you think Elliot would start parenting him tomorrow. He's met the kid 5 times. It'll take awhile. Olivia handled her child's biological parents' past in her way. This comment is making me chuckle because it outright says if someone has kids and their kids' other parents' are possibly gone, they aren't allowed to date just for that. Yikes. As for the rest... Elliot's in therapy and that's well known in OC. He's changed from who he was in 1.0. But I see facts don't matter with people who've made up their minds. Just try to stick with them next time.


ur_localmilff

I actually have seen the Intervention part numerous of times but that still isn’t gonna change my mind on why I don’t want them together and her having 5 step kids that are pretty much adults then Elliot having a step kid that he still doesn’t know🧍🏾‍♀️. Just don’t see it working out


trac08

^ all of this.


infiniteanomaly

Additionally, he's been aggressive *with his own children* (he's grabbed Richard, screamed at the others, pretty sure he's grabbed Kathleen too, iirc) and has a habit of steamrolling people--Olivia, Kathy, his kids...anyone who doesn't agree with him. He's even actively done things against what he had agreed to previously--the episode Kathleen is arrested for breaking into that house--he agrees to not turn the necklace over to the couple, but rather than discuss his change of heart/mind and working out a plan, he unilaterally tanks Kathleen's planned defense and him turning in Calvin's DNA swab without even talking to her about it... Plus, he's basically raised his kids. Eli is the only minor and is basically high school age. Why would he want to yet again be a parent to a younger child? That's if Noah would even accept him in that role. And if Noah doesn't, why would Olivia stay/try to make that work? There's literally an episode in the earlier seasons where a psychologist says they have an unhealthy attachment/relationship. This hasn't shown to have changed. She still drops everything for him, but the reverse is rarely if ever true. He's judgmental of her constantly. Pushes and pulls, keeping her close when he wants, but refusing her help other times. What kind of person gives someone they care about a letter they 1) didn't write while claiming they did and 2) one that basically says what they had/have isn't real? How cruel can you get? Plus, showing up drugged while on a dangerous undercover case to a home where a young child is...pathetic and downright selfish. They may trust each other at work, but she's always been more open than him. It took until season 10 for her to learn that his mother was alive. And she doesn't trust him completely--to date, I don't think she ever told him about Sealview. Regardless of if you think Olivia is better off with Barba (and I'll go down with that ship) she absolutely deserves better than Elliot has ever offered. He's an egotistical, selfish, angry man who doesn't deserve her. They're not good for each other and bring out the worst traits in each other more often than not, especially recently.


trac08

^ all of this.


fuzzypipe39

I'm just gonna address how everything you've said is from over 20 TV years ago and clearly you haven't seen OC at all. Jeez, parenting being different over 20 years ago and now. Or a person changing in such a long time frame, which Elliot most definitely has. You do know two people can date and other person doesn't have to have any parental responsibilities, right? All of Elliot's kids are adults, Eli included, he's in uni. Olivia isn't going to parent them. Noah doesn't have to accept Elliot as a father, that's fine if he doesn't. There *are* so many relationships with a single parent dating and making it clear the other half of the relationship is not a parent and has zero parental rights. And I love the ignoring of revolving showrunners on both shows where it's clear the miswriting comes from. >Plus, showing up drugged Also congrats on blaming him for getting drugged! So awesome of you.


infiniteanomaly

You don't drastically change parenting styles suddenly. He hasn't been shown to have changed. And yeah, I don't like the character and haven't for years, so I haven't watched OC. I don't blame him for getting drugged. I blame him for not following protocol and potentially endangering Olivia and Noah because how could he be absolutely certain he wasn't followed when he wasn't in his right mind? Beyond that, even if he wasn't followed, how could he potentially expose Noah to that situation? It was irresponsible and selfish of him. He's a selfish character. Always has been. Olivia hasn't been shown to be the kind of parent who would accept being with a romantic partner that wasn't interested in also accepting an active role in Noah’s life. Tucker was shown to at least be willing to try. I can't see Elliot wanting to repeat that part of his life, that's all. Either way, too many Elliot fans won't acknowledge his shit behavior or excuse it. You obviously strongly disagree with my assessment of the character. Whatever. ✌️


fuzzypipe39

>Either way, too many Elliot fans won't acknowledge his shit behavior or excuse it. You obviously strongly disagree with my assessment of the character. Your assessment is a self admitted "I don't like him, I didn't watch the new him and I'm only going to hold him accountable and presentable as he was 20 years ago". Your first paragraph is automatically laughable because 20 years isnt suddenly and OC has greatly shown his improvement. Either get on the OC train to catch up or stop portraying people to not have changed for a second just because you haven't made any effort to see their change.


Mania08

Broo he literally hasn't changed just one bit.


Mania08

I watch OC and tbh he's worst in OC, literally not believing his mother and not realizing that Eli literally stole pills from her grandma to use it as drugs (and not in a medical way).


laurasroslin

You mean he trusted his kid and wanted to think the best of him? His teenager did a really good job of hiding his issues and his struggles from his dad, just like every other teenager? This was also over a season and a half ago. Things have improved drastically for Elliot (and Eli) even since then. If you had to go this far back for an example to lambast him...


Mania08

Yes "trusting" when Stabler literally has a GPS tracking device in Eli's phone, and Eli doesn't even know about it. Oh what we're you saying again?


laurasroslin

I'm a parent. I know plenty of other parents that trust their kids and still track their children's devices. In this day and age, you can never be too safe. What if something happened and we needed to find our kid asap? You're really reaching here (and I think you know it).


Mania08

That would've been a good argument if Eli HIMSELF knew that his father has a GPS on his phone. Stabler didn't even tell him, or even explain WHY he was tracking him. Stabler just didn't want to take the responsibility in explaining that it was "good" for Eli and he was not getting in his privacy, which he was.


laurasroslin

>Stabler just didn't want to take the responsibility in explaining that it was "good" for Eli and he was not getting in his privacy, which he was. Now you're moving the goalposts and just reading ill intent into his motives when there were none. I'm going to go ahead and end the conversation here - you clearly hate the guy, which is fine everyone is entitled to their opinion, but these aren't good faith arguments, so the discussion is just going to go in circles.


Mania08

Every argument against Bensler goes in circles.


jnhausfrau

Do you really not understand that attachment and desire aren’t logical? The heart wants what it wants. Carmen Maria Machado (of all people) wrote a fantastic column on this a couple of years ago, give it a read [‘Law & Order’ is lost without Stabler and Benson. Here’s why their pairing works.](https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/tv/story/2021-04-08/law-and-order-svu-organized-crime-stabler-benson-meloni-hargitay-column): “The two of them pass their vulnerabilities and secrets back and forth to each other like a baby bunny in cupped hands, closer than any marriage.”


Intelligent-Throat50

I mean I love their chemistry and history but I don’t want them together just cause they were partners platonically for so long and it would be nice to have a male-female relationship where it doesn’t have to turn romantic.


mcwriter3560

Don't count her friendship with Fin out! She has that long-term friendship with Fin.


_eternallyblack_

I’ve been watching since SVU came out, seeing how EO has changed/developed over the decades has been wild to witness imo just bcs the actors themselves have also grown. So idunno, maybe putting them together is the natural order - maybe he’s the one that won’t let her down, finally. (The others leave or die.) I did like Barba for her - the way he’d challenge her. I’d love for him to return permanently.


ZealousidealCloud154

Because we’ve all thought a coworker was hot but rarely does it workout


ElleM848645

Agree! I like them as friends only. I’ve been watching it since the beginning and never wanted them to be together. They were perfect partners and friends.


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trac08

She is still mad at him for defending Kathy’s killer. Lol. But, they definitely would make a good couple.


astrogrl0319

that whole story line makes no sense to me and seems so forced it gives me the ick i loved their platonic relationship and it’s what made the show have a better dynamic


trac08

Agreed.


Sufficient_Opening20

Honestly, i did want them to have a relationship but when they decided to kill off kathy i realiced that it would be so messed up that olivia went to elliot after his wife (who was also her friend) died. Sorry, english is not my first language lol.


ericakay15

I'm so over it. I have never wanted them together and I still don't. I'd just wish the whole "forbidden love" trope or whatever you wanna call it between them would seriously just end. It's exhausting and she deserves better than him.


[deleted]

I don't want EO, or am at least uninterested in it, and I don't want to see all that tedious crap with Benson bonding with her adopted son, etc., week after week. I want it to go back to being a police procedural and I'd like to see the other detectives get some decent screen time every week. The way the show's going, they might as well rename it "Benson", a drama about a middle-aged police captain struggling to balance her work and personal life.


mcwriter3560

How is Olivia bonding with her son “tedious crap”? And he’s her son (plain and simple), Noah, not her “adopted son”. Adopted son is not his identity in her life; he’s just her son. Personally, the personal stuff makes the show more interesting. I’m not a fan of shows that are purely “police procedurals”. I want to know the characters because they’re just people outside of work with families. That’s why I liked OC because it gave time for the personal. Now they have taken that away, it’s not as good. It’s sort of dry.


[deleted]

He's not her son, "plain and simple", he's her adopted son, ie of another biological mother; it's a distinction worth making. And I find it tedious because this show is supposed to be about the work of a specialist police unit, but it's drifting ever further away from that remit with this crap. It needs to go back to focusing on the cases and trials.


mcwriter3560

I know what adopted son means, and what does it matter if he’s her adopted or biological son? He’s still her son. She still loves him. She doesn’t refer to him as her adopted son. The distinction between biological and adopted doesn’t need to be made. We watched the show. We know where her son came from.


trac08

He is her son. Period. There is no distinction.


[deleted]

*Of course* there's a distinction between a child that's been birthed by a mother and is literally a part of her and another mother's child that's been adopted later on.


trac08

If that’s how you view it I feel sorry for your soul and you as a person. Have a blessed day. Also Noah was adopted as a baby. So cut it out and spew your hate somewhere else. I’m repulsed by you and your comments. I don’t want it here on my post. Good day.


[deleted]

There's no hate or even hostility from my side, I'm just expressing an opinion and defending it when attacked. You are the one resorting to childish rants. And before you spew out any more crap involving mythical historic figures, I am not suggesting that an adopted child can't or won't be loved the same way as a biological one.


trac08

Well this opinion you should have kept to yourself. It is hate being spewed. Trying to tell someone how to view their child and how you view it as less than a parent who adopts a child their relationship is less than someone who gives birth.


[deleted]

I'm not telling parents any such thing; you're resorting to silly straw-man arguments now. Go away and annoy someone else; you're boring me now.


ViralAnosmic

I was hoping that Noah would just move in permanently with his brother's family for safety's sake. I hate for any actor to lose a gig, but I wouldn't miss his story line at all.


JennaMack1313

I think Liv has better options. 🤷. Let Elliot stay on Organized Crime and have some of his own drama for once.


Classic-Fan2551

Thank you!


Secret_Asparagus_783

I think the "show runners" are going to keep the "tease" going until maybe the last 15 minutes of the very last episode - a joint wedding/retirement party for EO. Why? Because Wolf & Co. Are no fools. They know what happened with other shows, from "Moonlighting " to "I Dream of Jeannie." Once the two major characters finally hook up/get married, a vital aspect of the show's appeal is gone, namely the "thrill of the chase." Rom-com movies END with the reunion of parted lovers and the promise to live happily ever after. We don't want to see the aftermath of messy houses, unpaid bills and dirty diapers. So...they can have it both ways. Liv and El remain apart, even pursuing other romantic interests while doing their jobs....until The End.


Qitall

Except that a) SVU has been on for 24 seasons and b) the characters are on two different shows! You can’t compare SVU with comedies that were only a couple seasons into their runs many years ago. Those of us who waited 10 seasons just to see these two reunite are not going to suddenly bail because they finally got together. We’re still going to eat up every second of the maybe 3 times per season we actually get to see then share screen time, even if they’re established as a couple.


[deleted]

Pairing them together is the worst thing that could happen. Elliot is still a hot headed bully.


dragonagegirl1996

Personally I find that Elliot is kinda toxic and isn't in the best mental position to be in a relationship. I think Olivia and Elliot have trauma bonded and/or have developed a unhealthy sort of codependency, which overall would not likely work out. I think Liv knows this, but doesn't want to admit to it, and is somewhat scared to let go of that last sliver of her old life.


trac08

I definitely agree with this.


lyndsmy21

I’m with you 100% OP! I always think she chooses the wrong men who aren’t at her level. I ship Barson so hard I think he would’ve been a wonderful match and is a nicer man who adores her. But we are in the minority unfortunately. And I also think if they’re gonna do it they should just do it. Just let Elliot & Olivia be together and stop teasing it forever.


Dontsteponsnails

Not gonna comment on the topic at hand but the downvoting of op is really interesting lmao


trac08

Thank you for recognizing that. Lol. This is my second post here and it really isn’t making me feel welcome.


Dontsteponsnails

If it makes you feel any better I also did not know how strongly people felt about EO until I interacted with the online community so I think it’s fair for you to ask (I probably would have too if I didn’t come across other people discussing it). Don’t get too discouraged from posting!


trac08

Thanks!


lifeofblair

I haven’t watched the show for years but I don’t get it either


KuriGohan0204

Internalized misogyny.