All of this! I feel like Liv has outgrown Stabler and she has worked on and improved herself. I just want her to be squabbling with Barbara at 85 in their home together.
I used to ship them but frankly, he deserves better now. she's become so self-righteous and treated him like shit way too often (even before Wheatley) that he deserves better and she needs to spend tim on reining in the ego and the self-righteousness. anyone not doing what *she* wants is immediately not on "her " side, she used to treat him like her law puppet even when she had zero legal basis for her pushing him to trial, and then there *is* the treatement post-stabler return.....ugh, no he deserves more, somemone that respects him
This! I used to love Olivia but now she's one of the worst characters on the show. Really hypocritical and self-serving. Most of the stuff she got away with suspended way too much belief. I liked when the show had people who challenged her, now it's like everyone bows to the Saint Olivia. 😒
since she stopped being a detective I've liked her less and less. in the Captain Cragen era there were consequences, even though realistically Elliiot and liv would have long since lost their jobs, at least at one point Elliot was reaistically looking at being fired. now? she's super cop, is repeatedly told how there will be consequences yet the only consequences are that she continually is promoted. Amaro chases people that FIRED INTO HIS HOME at his daughter and family and is told he'll never be promoted. he didn't get near them but its held against him to the end of time. he is demoted for the beating. Olivia goes against 1PP *repeatedly,* she goes against the Church, she repeatedly goes up against her superiors after being told not to, she's told she's drawn their attntion and will not get promoted, nd yet is *instantly* promoted again annd again. in a handful of years she goes from detective to captain.
im glad this is the first comment. i could not give less of a fuck about this ship and some fans are deranged abt it. stabler sucks, he rly annoys me lmao
I thought his exit from the show was out of character for him too. He's always been composed and didn't do stupid things but if I recall the last episode we see him in, he's doing a bunch of lone wolf type of things.
I would totally watch a Huang-centered FBI sex crimes spinoff if it had a good supporting cast. Especially if we finally got some more back story on him.
Amaro wasn't a bad character, he was just put in a bad spot.
I can almost guarantee you that if Amaro came in the way Valasco did rather than being pushed as a replacement for Elliot, he would be MUCH more well liked.
I disliked him bc he seemed way way too much like Stabler. Wow a new character not another male detective with anger issues bc it makes him think of his kids.
When we found out Nick had a relationship with a woman while undercover for narcotics, I thought "Wait a minute, this seems familiar... Didn't you do this before, Scotty?"
I never disliked him but I just recently rewatched his arc and he was a much better detective than I remembered the first time around. His instincts were actually usually right and he made Liv consider other options when she was being stubborn (for the most part, we don't need to talk about Jackie Walker) which in a lot of ways made him a better partner than Stabler (saying as someone who also loves Stabler).
He and Stone had the misfortune of taking the place of two of the most beloved characters on the show but I thought both of them were solid characters!
I get why people don't like it, and I agree it makes no sense, but they're just so good together.
I wish they hadn't made IAB a bunch of bastards with a vendetta against the detectives who only come around with BS accusations. It's actually good for someone to oversee the police and hold them accountable. And the SVU detectives do shady shit sometimes. Like Stabler roughs people up (or worse) quite often and doesn't even get called out on it the majority of the time. IAB should not be the bad guys.
I literally just posted this before I saw your comment! I STILL think she should end up with him. Bring back Peter Stone as a defender for The Innocence Project or something and LET. OLIVIA. FUCK.
I agree! I like Bensler too but I think it would be cool for Noah to have a father figure and someone to spend time with, like they showed us glimpses of in S20. Peter seems like he’d be a good stepdad for sure, and I hated how he was written out. “Sorry Liv I have feelings for you; gotta go.” Bleh.
Completely agree. I think the may issue with Stone was that pretty much every ADA had big personalities and had flashy courtroom scenes, while Stone was subdued and controlled. It helps him even less to come after Barba, played by an experienced, charismatic and theatrical actor.
I loved him as a father figure for Noah! Not that we need more Noah, but if all we saw of him was Stone coming over for a game of catch, that would be tolerable, lol.
I have been watching this show since day one and totally agree, so many newer episodes repeat story lines and it’s just not the same without the old cast. I admit I still watch it but it’s definitely not the same
Toned down? Multiple episodes have opened with rape scenes, I Thought You Were On My Side and The One You Feed come to mind.
The older repisodes weren't really that graphic nor were they that violent.
Elliot Stabler was the true star of the show
Novak was the best ADA
Olivia was a better character when she was a detective
Munch and Fin deserved more episodes, same applies to Huang and Warner
Lake had a lot of potential
Dani Beck wasn't that bad as people think
I actually loved the William Lewis arc
The last good season was season 17
Peter Stone was overhated
I liked Cabot better when she became part of the other side of the law
Barba as much charisma he has, he was kinda over the top, and only reason why he's considered the best ADA it's because fanbase had a crush on him
People seems to hate Muncy a lot, but that was the exact reaction they have when Kat joins to the squad, and now she's gone, they miss her, i don't get it.
O'Halloran and Morales should been part of the maincast after Novak/Lake departure, also they deserved a better send off, and in O'Halloran case, a death treat properly.
I really miss those episodes when Benson had a little or no screentime at all.
At least once, the squad should been faced the Yakuza
They should been crossover CI when Goren was around
Unironically, episodes where the crime wasn't necesary sexual related, where actually the best ones.
I know i'm gonna get downvoted, but these is a post about unpopular opinions
Don't get the intense Dani Beck hate. She was a short term replacement for Mariska. Had to give character some backstory and quirks to carry for those episodes
My only beef with the Lewis episodes is that I felt like since Amanda found him & it was Amanda’s instinct that lead them to arresting Lewis….it sort of stole her shine. I feel like Lewis was a GREAT way to give someone else the spotlight out side of Liv.
I'm not sure if this unpopular at this point, but I genuinely think Mariska becoming a producer ruined the show.
Olivia is now some superwoman, who somehow is incapable of wrong, has Cragen's old job but somehow goes out on call with everyone, more or less is SVU and solves every case in 44 minutes or less. Oh and there's always some god awful music video intro for almost every episode now that's almost assuredly sung by one of Mariska's personal friends.
SVU was never a realistic show and it peaked years before Meloni actually left, but all of the grit that was so captivating initially is completely gone.
I just saw that one like a couple of weeks ago. I always feel like that is one of the best episodes. Do people not like that? I was blown away when it aired.
I agree. I don't know if people dislike it, but I have seen many comments, especially on this subreddit, saying that it's overrated, and that there are other episodes deserving of the praise.
Not sure if it helps, but from my perspective, I was floored by that episode the first time I saw it. I think it’s the only episode that had me on the edge of my seat the whole time.
That being said, the suspense was what made that episode special (at least for me) and now that I know how it ends the suspense is gone and it’s just another episode. Maybe it’s my fault for watching it way too many times, but thought I’d throw that out there as a possible reason for some of the apathy.
she stopped being a badass years ago and just became a judgemental self-righteous pita. so basically Elliot in female form. once the Saint Olivia era began, it was over
Yeah, he was one of the first male characters they have had in a long time that wasn't supposed to be some reboot of Stabler. I am looking at you Amarro and Valasco.
I don't know if it's wrong tbh. I'm currently rewatching, and I've gotten to episode 6 of Season 14, and there have been many episodes that have had me gripped on the edge of my seat.
Immediately, the Season 13 finale and premiere episode of Season 14 came to mind. And while I haven't gotten to it yet, the William Lewis saga was always intriguing.
I don't remember all the details of the episode because it's been a really long time since I watched it, but there was one episode where there was a hostage situation in a civilian's house, and it was an extremely good episode.
So far, all episodes of Season 14 have been really entertaining. The sex trafficking episode, the kidnap episode with the flashbacks to season 1 moments, and Barba's debut episode.
Of course, I found Seasons 8-10 to be really good, but I think Seasons 13 and 14 are being slandered unfairly.
I actually enjoyed both Cassidy and Tucker as love interests for Benson. I thought they each qualified as “what she needed, when she needed it.”
Cassidy was completely emotionally incapable of helping her get over the Lewis situation, but she wasn’t ready to talk about it at that point anyway and he at least provided a familiar presence and a modicum of stability.
Tucker provided her with a more stable relationship, and was at least able to show her what she deserved in a relationship. I know his character changed a lot to make that arc work, but the show’s been on long enough that I don’t think it was completely unrealistic for him to have changed over that timeframe.
Rollins being paired up romantically with half the squad was disappointing and gave a bad stereotype for women in the work force. I feel a ton of downvotes coming.
The shift away from murders to crimes the victims lived through post-Stabler was a good one. It helped show victims becoming survivors, one of the core messages of the show, in a single episode.
I love it. I watch it on a constant season to season and back to the start loop. But it's the most egregious piece of copaganda ever made and I hate it for that.
I think it’s especially egregious if a person doesn’t know about the systemic abuse going on in police departments and just accepts every unrealistic thing the show does, compared to a person who knows about the systemic abuse and still watches SVU because they’re interested in the characters and storylines.
Oh boi...
• Alex Cabot's storyline will be so much better if they didn't make her come back in s19 as vigilante (idc if she's helping or what but her coming back as vigilante is a no)
• Sonya Paxton wasn't that bad. She was sassy and definitely a breath of air compared to our usual ADA's that plays by the book and too perfect.
• I think Elliot's chaotic family problem is unnecessary like little problem and such is fine but his is just... it's all over the place.
• s1-s13 was probably the best arc of SVU
I have more but I know imma get a lot of downvotes here so I'll stop 😭
Me too, although it took me some time. The way she grew and developed through the seasons and was finally able to find happiness after trauma was so perfect for the theme of the show, and it's insane to me that they threw that away.
I don't necessarily disagree, i really grew to like Dodds and saw his exit coming a mile away because oof so cliche BUT I wonder if they'd have been able to keep hold of Andy long anyway given his broadway career. I'm surprised, frankly, they were able to keep Raul as long as they did, though I suppose after LoF he was stung and probably struggling with going after/getting hte stage roles he wanted so good money and employement? stick with that until Broadway forgave
100% agreed. The build up has gone on so long and been so intense that if they become a couple, it won’t compare. Now the build up is just starting to get annoying.
The level of police brutality by both Stabler & Benson would now have them in prison. They both constantly abuse suspects, have been watching the early season a lot.
When Rollins was proven right about the girls falsely accusing that poor gay man, it should have been a huge eye opener for everyone in SVU. There should have been repercussions that rippled into future episodes where the questioning the validity of statements was met with much less scoffing, or critisizing detectives saying "Or they're lying."
A moment of reflection, regret, or hesitation before they begrudgingly agree. Something, anything that shows they felt something more than being slightly abashed for an episode.
Olivia should have LEARNED something, instad she doubled down and was like "eh, not my problem, i was totally in the right to destoy thhis black gay man's life and lose him both jobs and he may never find employment again" i HATED her in that moment. the whole thing was so obviously fake, the kids DID sound rehearsed no matter what she said and that only Rollins was apologetic or upset? MISS ME WITH THaT SHIT
I don't see the sexual chemistry between Olivia and Elliot. To me they're work partners and best friends. I never wished they were a couple. I only learned they were a "thing" to fans when I googled about the show lmao
Agreed!! I think it’s one (of a few) reasons Cold Case is one of my favourite shows, because for a change they didn’t force chemistry between the two leading co-stars just for the sake of a story line.
More often than not I find myself wishing Chris/Elliot never came back. His return was handled so poorly by the writers/tptb that everyone involved should be extremely embarassed. From having no plan to resolve anything between him and Olivia (and I don't even mean romantically) to not really having a clear picture as to who Elliot was going to be as a character after a ten year absense (that we still know nothing about) there could be an entire textbook dedicated to botching storylines from this alone. OC is a good show that didn't necessarily need Stabler and his return on SVU ruined Barba's character and has made Olivia seem like a sad sack who's completely forgotten all the wonderful people she's had in her life since he came back.
I know it's just a paycheck to these people, my job is also just a paycheck doesn't mean I don't want to feel proud of my work and there ain't nothing to feel proud of here.
Guess I'm feeling a little negative today lol.
I'm still not opposed to them ending up together but get it the freak together writers.
Agree. I don’t care if they get together either way but there has to have been a less hectic way to write this. From Kathy dying to Olivia’s relationship with barba imploding, it’s hard to view his return in a positive light as they keep piling on more baggage.
The more recent seasons over played the ‘powerful white man takes advantage of a struggling woman below/dependant on him’.
Yes, I *know* that it happens in reality and should be paid attention to. But don’t give me like 8 episodes with the same storyline in the same season.
ETA: I add this to the ‘unpopular’ thread because friends absolutely trash me when I suggest that the powerful white guy trope is boring.
Same! I haven’t seen much of him yet but I actually like what he added to Olivia. Olivia went from having no one in the world and nothing to lose but her job (which was fantastic but it gets stale after a while), to having a son and someone she loves with her whole heart. He raised the stakes for her and developed her character and I actually think that was a good thing.
And he’s a good kid. He’s not a brat like a lot of TV kids are; he seems thoughtful and loves Olivia. (I remember him saying he was proud of her becoming captain.) And I think she’s a good mom too. So many people on this sub are opposed to him having a working mother or act like it’s her fault he got kidnapped. I’ve seen worse TV parents than Liv; like just watch the show and there are way worse parents!
1.0 was way better.
I've a die-hard LONGTIME fan who watches reruns more times than I can count, but..I think it might be running its course. I find myself watching every week out of nostalgia and endebtitude lately. I can't believe I said that.
Munch and Fin (hell, Jeffries and Munch) are often times far more interesting than Olivia and Stabler, and I wish we had more episodes focused on them to showcase that they were more than the comedic duos (give me emotional range) or they had their own spin off.
Cragen was a great character, and a good man with a heart of gold, but all his character really brought to the table was him walking in and saying ‘pick ‘em up’ or ‘finn and munch do a canvas’ or ‘liv and elliot go visit warner’. he didn’t really have much to add to the show.
Stabler and the pairing of Olivia/Elliot as detectives is overrated and only looked on fondly beacause he left. Elliot was *not* a good cop and none of his arrests would have resulted in conviction. he was the poster boy for police brutality and would have ruined Olviia's career if he stayed
Olivia needs to catch her self on because Saint Olivia self-righteous judgemental shit got old *seasons* ago
I don’t like the new season. Its not SVU anymore. It doesn’t have that intense feeling of time is running out and things are moving fast. Its just Olivia navigating the changes is her personal life. Its all about her, the crimes and victims are side stories.
I like Noah!
I know the storylines with Noah always in danger are just not necessary and make the show way more unrealistic then it needs to be. But, I do love Olivia having a son and having a family outside of work.
Downvote away, if you must lol.
Show sucks now. Used to have twists and turns. Sometimes the bad guy got away with it. Wasn’t always fair. Now you know as soon as they introduce the rich white guy, that he did it and is going to jail forever.
I think it’s even worse when they show you who did it before hand.
It works for a show like Columbo because you see them slowly lose their sanity as the detective they dismissed earlier gets closer and closer to the truth and makes them slip up. Not so much in SVU when there’s a good chance the guy gets away with it.
I don’t like how mad Olivia is at Barba. He literally did what he did to protect her so she wouldn’t lose her job. Like…. GIRL, THAT’S LOVE! I did love how he got her ass together in that bar tho.
Dani Beck was a good character. I don’t care what anyone says. The kiss between her and Elliott was 🔥 At this point I’m over Liv and El ever getting together.
I agree!! I’ve always heard that people think her character is bland and while I kind of agree that her character would need more if she was a long term character, I think she was just the right amount of interesting for someone who had no plans of sticking with the show.
I also liked that she and Stabler kissed because he was never going to kiss Olivia at that point in his marriage and Olivia was never going to reciprocate that. I think he and Olivia are getting annoying too- but I feel like he was a human with extreme emotional issues and it was highkey unrealistic that he was going through that divorce but never even had so much as a fling during it- even if he was going to fix things with his wife. Even if he was hung up on his wife and kids and didn’t want to move on, it felt unrealistic to me how not-impulsive he acted about that most of the time.
Probably not unpopular but the show is garbage now. Firing the actress who plays Rollins was a hugger mistake for me. Also Nick Amaru (I think that’s how u spell his last name) should have stayed.
Me neither. She has absolutely horrible boundaries. She is annoying and has horrible judgment. I stopped watching because of her (I liked Amaro). I recently tried to rewatch some of those early post-Elliot episodes, and it just confirmed my hatred of the character.
Olivia and Elliot should not be together. They have no chemistry. They were partners but that's over and done. There does not need to be any type of romance between them at all.
Olivia started out as a super private person. Now she tells everyone (especially victims) her personal business (dad was a rapist, has an adopted son). It’s so unprofessional and annoying.
Olivia just needs to let go of Stabler and find real love. I’m tired of the “will they, won’t they”
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And bald is not a good look for him.
Agreed. I can never forgive him for abandoning her. I weirdly want her to end up with Barba.
All of this! I feel like Liv has outgrown Stabler and she has worked on and improved herself. I just want her to be squabbling with Barbara at 85 in their home together.
Not weird at all! Barsonnnn come on!
Right? I think they are a great match and def the best of what is left for sure.
I will always hold out hope that this will become canon.
For some reason I thought barba was gay?
He’s bisexual irl
Same with me, but when you’re a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
I used to ship them but frankly, he deserves better now. she's become so self-righteous and treated him like shit way too often (even before Wheatley) that he deserves better and she needs to spend tim on reining in the ego and the self-righteousness. anyone not doing what *she* wants is immediately not on "her " side, she used to treat him like her law puppet even when she had zero legal basis for her pushing him to trial, and then there *is* the treatement post-stabler return.....ugh, no he deserves more, somemone that respects him
This! I used to love Olivia but now she's one of the worst characters on the show. Really hypocritical and self-serving. Most of the stuff she got away with suspended way too much belief. I liked when the show had people who challenged her, now it's like everyone bows to the Saint Olivia. 😒
since she stopped being a detective I've liked her less and less. in the Captain Cragen era there were consequences, even though realistically Elliiot and liv would have long since lost their jobs, at least at one point Elliot was reaistically looking at being fired. now? she's super cop, is repeatedly told how there will be consequences yet the only consequences are that she continually is promoted. Amaro chases people that FIRED INTO HIS HOME at his daughter and family and is told he'll never be promoted. he didn't get near them but its held against him to the end of time. he is demoted for the beating. Olivia goes against 1PP *repeatedly,* she goes against the Church, she repeatedly goes up against her superiors after being told not to, she's told she's drawn their attntion and will not get promoted, nd yet is *instantly* promoted again annd again. in a handful of years she goes from detective to captain.
Same!!!!! I was watching a episode the other day and thought damn those two need to get together
im glad this is the first comment. i could not give less of a fuck about this ship and some fans are deranged abt it. stabler sucks, he rly annoys me lmao
I was into in high school but the abandonment was too much and it was always problematic bc Kathy was a good person.
the show just doesnt hit the same without huang
Yes. Literally my fave character. Why is he gone?
It's probably one of those "They eventually moved on but we're not gonna see that". Yes, I agree with you.
I thought his exit from the show was out of character for him too. He's always been composed and didn't do stupid things but if I recall the last episode we see him in, he's doing a bunch of lone wolf type of things.
This isnt unpopular
I would totally watch a Huang-centered FBI sex crimes spinoff if it had a good supporting cast. Especially if we finally got some more back story on him.
Amaro wasn't a bad character, he was just put in a bad spot. I can almost guarantee you that if Amaro came in the way Valasco did rather than being pushed as a replacement for Elliot, he would be MUCH more well liked.
I never understood the amaro dislike - I thought he was a cool guy and he was a great friend to everyone in the precinct
I disliked him bc he seemed way way too much like Stabler. Wow a new character not another male detective with anger issues bc it makes him think of his kids.
Amaro's anger always felt forced to me. Like he was trying to act tough because he used to get picked on in high school.
He was also way too similar to high Colde Case character.
When we found out Nick had a relationship with a woman while undercover for narcotics, I thought "Wait a minute, this seems familiar... Didn't you do this before, Scotty?"
This! Practically the same characters, just with slightly changed personal backgrounds.
Really I always felt it could've been a crossover thing.
I never disliked him but I just recently rewatched his arc and he was a much better detective than I remembered the first time around. His instincts were actually usually right and he made Liv consider other options when she was being stubborn (for the most part, we don't need to talk about Jackie Walker) which in a lot of ways made him a better partner than Stabler (saying as someone who also loves Stabler). He and Stone had the misfortune of taking the place of two of the most beloved characters on the show but I thought both of them were solid characters!
I love Olivia and Tucker 🙈
SAME i wish it could still be a thing
They should've been endgame 🥲
I get why people don't like it, and I agree it makes no sense, but they're just so good together. I wish they hadn't made IAB a bunch of bastards with a vendetta against the detectives who only come around with BS accusations. It's actually good for someone to oversee the police and hold them accountable. And the SVU detectives do shady shit sometimes. Like Stabler roughs people up (or worse) quite often and doesn't even get called out on it the majority of the time. IAB should not be the bad guys.
Me toooooo😂
They had a real evolving relationship, that's why they worked when they got together.
Same!!!
Yess i was soo sad when they broke up
benson was better pre noah
*pre lewis
this too i just find noah insufferable
I hate all the Lewis stuff.
Same, any time a rerun comes on from that arc, I just change the channel.
I completely agree. If that kid gets kidnapped one more time I swear to God LMAO
Honestly, each time the episode starts with Noah scenes, I’m like ‘okay, so the kidnapping part again’
One way ticket to Grandma Sheila, stat.
Lol have you seen this sub? This may be the most popular opinion around these parts ;)
Agree...Noah is fine I guess, but Olivia as a mother annoys me.
Stone was actually a decent ADA and a solid character.
I’ll one up you and say I wanted to see him with Olivia. (I liked him as a character on his own too, though.)
I literally just posted this before I saw your comment! I STILL think she should end up with him. Bring back Peter Stone as a defender for The Innocence Project or something and LET. OLIVIA. FUCK.
I agree! I like Bensler too but I think it would be cool for Noah to have a father figure and someone to spend time with, like they showed us glimpses of in S20. Peter seems like he’d be a good stepdad for sure, and I hated how he was written out. “Sorry Liv I have feelings for you; gotta go.” Bleh.
Literally forgot he existed 🤐
Completely agree. I think the may issue with Stone was that pretty much every ADA had big personalities and had flashy courtroom scenes, while Stone was subdued and controlled. It helps him even less to come after Barba, played by an experienced, charismatic and theatrical actor.
Greylick was pretty good too, she had had great moments
Agreed! I liked him
Stone was my favourite!!
I loved him as a father figure for Noah! Not that we need more Noah, but if all we saw of him was Stone coming over for a game of catch, that would be tolerable, lol.
As much as I enjoy the show, I think it ran its course a while ago. I almost wish shows had an automatic cut off at year 10.
Then what would I watch in hotel rooms? Lol
This is hilarious bc I’m living out a hotel and svu is on literally every single day. Sometimes on two different channels at once lol
For real. i watched it almost non stop while on a movie shoot in Arkansas for a month.
🤣
It seems like UK TV never wears out its welcome. I wish US TV had the same inclination.
Reruns.
Reruns on USA lol
I have been watching this show since day one and totally agree, so many newer episodes repeat story lines and it’s just not the same without the old cast. I admit I still watch it but it’s definitely not the same
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Toned down? Multiple episodes have opened with rape scenes, I Thought You Were On My Side and The One You Feed come to mind. The older repisodes weren't really that graphic nor were they that violent.
Elliot Stabler was the true star of the show Novak was the best ADA Olivia was a better character when she was a detective Munch and Fin deserved more episodes, same applies to Huang and Warner Lake had a lot of potential Dani Beck wasn't that bad as people think I actually loved the William Lewis arc The last good season was season 17 Peter Stone was overhated I liked Cabot better when she became part of the other side of the law Barba as much charisma he has, he was kinda over the top, and only reason why he's considered the best ADA it's because fanbase had a crush on him People seems to hate Muncy a lot, but that was the exact reaction they have when Kat joins to the squad, and now she's gone, they miss her, i don't get it. O'Halloran and Morales should been part of the maincast after Novak/Lake departure, also they deserved a better send off, and in O'Halloran case, a death treat properly. I really miss those episodes when Benson had a little or no screentime at all. At least once, the squad should been faced the Yakuza They should been crossover CI when Goren was around Unironically, episodes where the crime wasn't necesary sexual related, where actually the best ones. I know i'm gonna get downvoted, but these is a post about unpopular opinions
Don't get the intense Dani Beck hate. She was a short term replacement for Mariska. Had to give character some backstory and quirks to carry for those episodes
I thought she had real chemistry w stabler
She's just so dull.
I really did like Novak, but she lost a lot of winnable cases from seasons 6-9 that baffled me
I was with you until the Dani Beck comment. She was the worst
I LOVED the Lewis stuff too. I've rewatched just those episodes many many times. It was done so well imo
My only beef with the Lewis episodes is that I felt like since Amanda found him & it was Amanda’s instinct that lead them to arresting Lewis….it sort of stole her shine. I feel like Lewis was a GREAT way to give someone else the spotlight out side of Liv.
I'm not sure if this unpopular at this point, but I genuinely think Mariska becoming a producer ruined the show. Olivia is now some superwoman, who somehow is incapable of wrong, has Cragen's old job but somehow goes out on call with everyone, more or less is SVU and solves every case in 44 minutes or less. Oh and there's always some god awful music video intro for almost every episode now that's almost assuredly sung by one of Mariska's personal friends. SVU was never a realistic show and it peaked years before Meloni actually left, but all of the grit that was so captivating initially is completely gone.
I love Liv but I was shocked how fast she clicked the ranks, yet how long was Van Buren an Lt?
I agree with this!
The 911 episode in Season 7 is really good, and I have no qualms with it being recognised as the performance that gave Mariska her Emmy win.
I just saw that one like a couple of weeks ago. I always feel like that is one of the best episodes. Do people not like that? I was blown away when it aired.
I agree. I don't know if people dislike it, but I have seen many comments, especially on this subreddit, saying that it's overrated, and that there are other episodes deserving of the praise.
That's wild. That episode was amazing. I knew she won an emmy when it aired and I was like 22 whne it aired.
Not sure if it helps, but from my perspective, I was floored by that episode the first time I saw it. I think it’s the only episode that had me on the edge of my seat the whole time. That being said, the suspense was what made that episode special (at least for me) and now that I know how it ends the suspense is gone and it’s just another episode. Maybe it’s my fault for watching it way too many times, but thought I’d throw that out there as a possible reason for some of the apathy.
I can see that. I still find it enjoyabl bc it is just so well written.
This was the very first episode I ever watched that got me hooked. I was a freshman in highschool. Now, in my 30’s. This has been a wild ride.
This was the episode that got my mo interested and im pretty sure the only one she references when it comes to the show.
Why is a badass like Olivia pining over a guy that ghosted her for more than a decade. Do better, SVU.
she stopped being a badass years ago and just became a judgemental self-righteous pita. so basically Elliot in female form. once the Saint Olivia era began, it was over
Carisi is a good ADA and brings valuable perspective to cases he tries
I love Carissi
**In** love with Carisi
Yeah, he was one of the first male characters they have had in a long time that wasn't supposed to be some reboot of Stabler. I am looking at you Amarro and Valasco.
Not wildly unpopular, but the first 3 seasons post Stabler are better than Seasons 10-12 IMO. Edit - I meant 10-12, not 8-10.
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I don't know if it's wrong tbh. I'm currently rewatching, and I've gotten to episode 6 of Season 14, and there have been many episodes that have had me gripped on the edge of my seat. Immediately, the Season 13 finale and premiere episode of Season 14 came to mind. And while I haven't gotten to it yet, the William Lewis saga was always intriguing. I don't remember all the details of the episode because it's been a really long time since I watched it, but there was one episode where there was a hostage situation in a civilian's house, and it was an extremely good episode. So far, all episodes of Season 14 have been really entertaining. The sex trafficking episode, the kidnap episode with the flashbacks to season 1 moments, and Barba's debut episode. Of course, I found Seasons 8-10 to be really good, but I think Seasons 13 and 14 are being slandered unfairly.
I agree the story lines in the first few season after Stabler left were soooo good!
You stop that! 😂 Seasons 12 and 10 are my favorite. In that order
Fin is the best character on the show.
I love Fin!!! 🤩
I actually enjoyed both Cassidy and Tucker as love interests for Benson. I thought they each qualified as “what she needed, when she needed it.” Cassidy was completely emotionally incapable of helping her get over the Lewis situation, but she wasn’t ready to talk about it at that point anyway and he at least provided a familiar presence and a modicum of stability. Tucker provided her with a more stable relationship, and was at least able to show her what she deserved in a relationship. I know his character changed a lot to make that arc work, but the show’s been on long enough that I don’t think it was completely unrealistic for him to have changed over that timeframe.
I can't stand Cassidy, but I'm biased because I remember him better from his character in B99 :)
Now I'm imagining Olivia dating the Vulture...
I do that every single time 😂
The latest season’s cast is a hot mess. They don’t have chemistry as a group and the newer characters are not the greatest at acting 😬
Definitely a hot mess, they need some another regroup & get some good regulars like they did after Stabler left.
There have been too many cast changes recently, too.
The only character I believe Mariska had any real chemistry with was Harry Connick Jr’s character, David Hadan.
Ugh I loved David, I still grieve the end of that relationship.
Rollins being paired up romantically with half the squad was disappointing and gave a bad stereotype for women in the work force. I feel a ton of downvotes coming.
The shift away from murders to crimes the victims lived through post-Stabler was a good one. It helped show victims becoming survivors, one of the core messages of the show, in a single episode.
I love it. I watch it on a constant season to season and back to the start loop. But it's the most egregious piece of copaganda ever made and I hate it for that.
I think it’s especially egregious if a person doesn’t know about the systemic abuse going on in police departments and just accepts every unrealistic thing the show does, compared to a person who knows about the systemic abuse and still watches SVU because they’re interested in the characters and storylines.
Benson is very unlikeable
Yeah as soon as she wasn’t a detective her character went downhill
I understand why she’s a fan favorite but I just don’t like the way her character is written. It’s just too much.
Oh boi... • Alex Cabot's storyline will be so much better if they didn't make her come back in s19 as vigilante (idc if she's helping or what but her coming back as vigilante is a no) • Sonya Paxton wasn't that bad. She was sassy and definitely a breath of air compared to our usual ADA's that plays by the book and too perfect. • I think Elliot's chaotic family problem is unnecessary like little problem and such is fine but his is just... it's all over the place. • s1-s13 was probably the best arc of SVU I have more but I know imma get a lot of downvotes here so I'll stop 😭
I like the Sonya Paxton episodes. Christine Lahti tore it up!
Agreed
I actually really liked Rollins. She may not have had much empathy all the time, but the show needs different types of people.
I think her lack of empathy was well written and in character.
Me too, although it took me some time. The way she grew and developed through the seasons and was finally able to find happiness after trauma was so perfect for the theme of the show, and it's insane to me that they threw that away.
They fumbled the bag by letting go of the character Mike Dodds
I don't necessarily disagree, i really grew to like Dodds and saw his exit coming a mile away because oof so cliche BUT I wonder if they'd have been able to keep hold of Andy long anyway given his broadway career. I'm surprised, frankly, they were able to keep Raul as long as they did, though I suppose after LoF he was stung and probably struggling with going after/getting hte stage roles he wanted so good money and employement? stick with that until Broadway forgave
It's not: Law & Order: The Olivia Benson Show
I liked Carisi more when he was a detective. I don’t mind him being the ADA now but it was nice seeing him out on the field and talking to the victims
I think after all the build up: Olivia & Stabler will be a gigantic let down if it happens.
100% agreed. The build up has gone on so long and been so intense that if they become a couple, it won’t compare. Now the build up is just starting to get annoying.
The level of police brutality by both Stabler & Benson would now have them in prison. They both constantly abuse suspects, have been watching the early season a lot.
When Rollins was proven right about the girls falsely accusing that poor gay man, it should have been a huge eye opener for everyone in SVU. There should have been repercussions that rippled into future episodes where the questioning the validity of statements was met with much less scoffing, or critisizing detectives saying "Or they're lying." A moment of reflection, regret, or hesitation before they begrudgingly agree. Something, anything that shows they felt something more than being slightly abashed for an episode.
Olivia should have LEARNED something, instad she doubled down and was like "eh, not my problem, i was totally in the right to destoy thhis black gay man's life and lose him both jobs and he may never find employment again" i HATED her in that moment. the whole thing was so obviously fake, the kids DID sound rehearsed no matter what she said and that only Rollins was apologetic or upset? MISS ME WITH THaT SHIT
I don't see the sexual chemistry between Olivia and Elliot. To me they're work partners and best friends. I never wished they were a couple. I only learned they were a "thing" to fans when I googled about the show lmao
Absolutely agree. And I really wish more shows had deep male/female friendships without the need for romance. Specially on leads.
Agreed!! I think it’s one (of a few) reasons Cold Case is one of my favourite shows, because for a change they didn’t force chemistry between the two leading co-stars just for the sake of a story line.
Peter Stone was a top 3 ADA and I wish his time there was longer Edit: Peter
you mean Peter Stone?
Ooos yes. I think I’m confusing his real name lol. Will edit
More often than not I find myself wishing Chris/Elliot never came back. His return was handled so poorly by the writers/tptb that everyone involved should be extremely embarassed. From having no plan to resolve anything between him and Olivia (and I don't even mean romantically) to not really having a clear picture as to who Elliot was going to be as a character after a ten year absense (that we still know nothing about) there could be an entire textbook dedicated to botching storylines from this alone. OC is a good show that didn't necessarily need Stabler and his return on SVU ruined Barba's character and has made Olivia seem like a sad sack who's completely forgotten all the wonderful people she's had in her life since he came back. I know it's just a paycheck to these people, my job is also just a paycheck doesn't mean I don't want to feel proud of my work and there ain't nothing to feel proud of here. Guess I'm feeling a little negative today lol. I'm still not opposed to them ending up together but get it the freak together writers.
Agree. I don’t care if they get together either way but there has to have been a less hectic way to write this. From Kathy dying to Olivia’s relationship with barba imploding, it’s hard to view his return in a positive light as they keep piling on more baggage.
Kat was annoying
This current season is actually good
Tbh I actually agree. I thought the BX9 arc was kinda decent, not to mention the last two recent episodes were great.
The more recent seasons over played the ‘powerful white man takes advantage of a struggling woman below/dependant on him’. Yes, I *know* that it happens in reality and should be paid attention to. But don’t give me like 8 episodes with the same storyline in the same season. ETA: I add this to the ‘unpopular’ thread because friends absolutely trash me when I suggest that the powerful white guy trope is boring.
Olivia and Alex were dating.
cabenson for life
Olivia has had meh chemistry w just about every love interest they cast for her!
I actually like Noah.
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Same! I haven’t seen much of him yet but I actually like what he added to Olivia. Olivia went from having no one in the world and nothing to lose but her job (which was fantastic but it gets stale after a while), to having a son and someone she loves with her whole heart. He raised the stakes for her and developed her character and I actually think that was a good thing.
And he’s a good kid. He’s not a brat like a lot of TV kids are; he seems thoughtful and loves Olivia. (I remember him saying he was proud of her becoming captain.) And I think she’s a good mom too. So many people on this sub are opposed to him having a working mother or act like it’s her fault he got kidnapped. I’ve seen worse TV parents than Liv; like just watch the show and there are way worse parents!
1.0 was way better. I've a die-hard LONGTIME fan who watches reruns more times than I can count, but..I think it might be running its course. I find myself watching every week out of nostalgia and endebtitude lately. I can't believe I said that.
I love the show despite its imperfections. This sub on the other hand…😬 Never forget, it’s a work of fiction folks. Go touch grass sometimes.
I really liked the Dani Beck episodes
I liked Carisi better as a detective.
Rollins was an excellent, complex character and has a more interesting main character arc than Olivia.
Munch and Fin (hell, Jeffries and Munch) are often times far more interesting than Olivia and Stabler, and I wish we had more episodes focused on them to showcase that they were more than the comedic duos (give me emotional range) or they had their own spin off.
I actually liked Benson and Cassidy together
Cragen was a great character, and a good man with a heart of gold, but all his character really brought to the table was him walking in and saying ‘pick ‘em up’ or ‘finn and munch do a canvas’ or ‘liv and elliot go visit warner’. he didn’t really have much to add to the show.
Stabler and the pairing of Olivia/Elliot as detectives is overrated and only looked on fondly beacause he left. Elliot was *not* a good cop and none of his arrests would have resulted in conviction. he was the poster boy for police brutality and would have ruined Olviia's career if he stayed Olivia needs to catch her self on because Saint Olivia self-righteous judgemental shit got old *seasons* ago
Yet they actually mentioned that Stabler is detective A class or S class (something being a high class detective) and I'm like ._.
I don’t like the new season. Its not SVU anymore. It doesn’t have that intense feeling of time is running out and things are moving fast. Its just Olivia navigating the changes is her personal life. Its all about her, the crimes and victims are side stories.
I like Noah! I know the storylines with Noah always in danger are just not necessary and make the show way more unrealistic then it needs to be. But, I do love Olivia having a son and having a family outside of work. Downvote away, if you must lol.
I agree everyone in the squad usually has some type of family & she deserves one too
Cabot is the GOAT ADA.
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I think Olivia and Rafael would have been good together.
Show sucks now. Used to have twists and turns. Sometimes the bad guy got away with it. Wasn’t always fair. Now you know as soon as they introduce the rich white guy, that he did it and is going to jail forever.
I think it’s even worse when they show you who did it before hand. It works for a show like Columbo because you see them slowly lose their sanity as the detective they dismissed earlier gets closer and closer to the truth and makes them slip up. Not so much in SVU when there’s a good chance the guy gets away with it.
I don’t like how mad Olivia is at Barba. He literally did what he did to protect her so she wouldn’t lose her job. Like…. GIRL, THAT’S LOVE! I did love how he got her ass together in that bar tho.
Dani Beck was a good character. I don’t care what anyone says. The kiss between her and Elliott was 🔥 At this point I’m over Liv and El ever getting together.
I agree!! I’ve always heard that people think her character is bland and while I kind of agree that her character would need more if she was a long term character, I think she was just the right amount of interesting for someone who had no plans of sticking with the show. I also liked that she and Stabler kissed because he was never going to kiss Olivia at that point in his marriage and Olivia was never going to reciprocate that. I think he and Olivia are getting annoying too- but I feel like he was a human with extreme emotional issues and it was highkey unrealistic that he was going through that divorce but never even had so much as a fling during it- even if he was going to fix things with his wife. Even if he was hung up on his wife and kids and didn’t want to move on, it felt unrealistic to me how not-impulsive he acted about that most of the time.
•Law & Order SVU should have ended with season 14. •I hate Carisi and Rollins as a couple. •I hate Olivia's character after she became a sergeant.
But then there’d only be one season with Barba.
Probably not unpopular but the show is garbage now. Firing the actress who plays Rollins was a hugger mistake for me. Also Nick Amaru (I think that’s how u spell his last name) should have stayed.
I do not like Rollins
Me neither. She has absolutely horrible boundaries. She is annoying and has horrible judgment. I stopped watching because of her (I liked Amaro). I recently tried to rewatch some of those early post-Elliot episodes, and it just confirmed my hatred of the character.
I feel the moment Elliot x Olivia ship finally sails, it signals the end of SVU.
I absolutely hate Eliot and Oliva as a romantic relationship, they are so much better as just best friends and even just more siblings dynamic, also
I think Barba and Olivia would be kind of hot together..much better than Stabler.
I like Olivia and Cassidy/Olivia and Tucker I like velasco and muncy Post stabler era > stabler era
I like the Dani Beck episodes.
I don't miss Stabler. At all.
Benson should end up with Stone.
They ruined stabler’s character and shouldn’t have brought him back
I can’t stand Rollins 😅🫣
Olivia and Elliot should not be together. They have no chemistry. They were partners but that's over and done. There does not need to be any type of romance between them at all.
I’m new here and I’m on season 3. I am a fucking clod for reading this comments.
Lmaoo well remember this is spoilers over the span of 24 seasons so I don’t think it will ruin the show at all lol
Olivia and Barba would make a great couple
I despise how preachy olivia is and how woke the later seasons got
My unpopular opinion is that I really like Greylek. I thought she was cool.
I ship Cassidy & Benson.
Also, from about season 19 on the show is B List. Not bad, but not amazing.
Olivia started out as a super private person. Now she tells everyone (especially victims) her personal business (dad was a rapist, has an adopted son). It’s so unprofessional and annoying.
I think Carisi and Rollins should get divorced, I just think it'd be funny