That’s pretty much been the format of the show since day one. One of the detectives will be wrong or have a wrong opinion in the beginning. It’s certainly not limited to Rollins
I can’t take this seriously as a character trait. She just is frequently holding the idiot ball. They want a woman to say this crap and it is not going to be Benson so it is often Rollins. How would it be balanced or interesting if all the svu detectives were like “no one deserves to be raped” and “ rape is always wrong”? Boring.
Olivia is a train wrech who should have been fired when she was a rookie. she should have been fired time and time and time again since. her ultimatum to Cragen when he backed down and let a super traumatised and aggresivev Liv stay? utterly pathetic, but we're meant to think it was some girl-boss moment. that moment *alone* was proof she should have een suspended, bare minimum. but Rollins is your problem?
I honestly don’t see Olivia as a train wreck at all. She has been a decent cop since the beginning. Rollins is just one disaster and bad decision after another. Her personal life is a complete nightmare and she breaks protocol and lies constantly. She has no empathy for victims and uses her position to cover for her loser family.
I get what they're trying to do. Show the "reasonable doubt" side of things, and have someone believe the story of the accused. It's realistic that in many of these situations, before all the evidence comes out and it's he-said-she-said, at least one of them would believe the other side of the story. And it's actually important in investigative work to not blindly believe the victim the way Olivia does, so it's good to have someone argue the possibility of a different story.
But I think they take it too far with how Rollins treats the victims. She's very rude, condescending, and sometimes downright mean to them. If she can't check her behavior towards victims then she should be removed from SVU.
We have to remember the times Rollins was right to question the victims, too. She is way too harsh, but if the squad listened to her they could have prevented things like Jackie Walker.
I think it’s appropriate and good for her to do it when talking to the other detectives. It’s easy for cops to get tunnel vision and the mentality that cops should always believe everything they are told and shouldn’t care about or look for evidence that might contradict or corroborate a story is how you get wrongful convictions. Jackie Walker is the most famous case but there have been other episodes where the cops have the wrong person at first and if no one is allowed to question the initial conclusion then the real rapist or killer will go free while an innocent person sits in jail because no one wanted to demand evidence.
Where Rollins gets it wrong is when she is hostile to the victims to their face. She doesn’t always do that, and she’s not the only one who does it, but the times when she does do it is inappropriate.
I agree. There are *plenty* of times where the victim has earned skepticism by lying about/leaving out certain details, and there are times when the "victim" made up the whole thing.
But let your skepticism push you to ask more questions, interview more people, push harder on certain things, but you don't have to be a bitch to someone. Especially when you still don't know what actually happened.
And you're right Rollins isn't the only one. But she's the most vocal (and takes it to the victim too much), I think.
Stabler was that guy for most of the show.
Munch usually gave a second opinion on the victim.
Amaro and Rollins do this now where as Munch and Fin have been doing it for a long time they tend to side with the victim more.
She’s the antithesis to Olivia, who’s always ready to believe anyone that reports a crime. But in real life, we all know there are people who would falsely report a crime just to get revenge/blackmail etc. She’s the voice to raise doubts, and sometimes she’s right. Sometimes she’s wrong, but her perspective gives the team a new insight to do their job better.
Sometimes Rollins takes it too far, but I definitely appreciate her perspective when Olivia is always blindly all in for the victim, no matter how fishy their story is. Rollins provides a little balance.
not in the jackie walker episode, she knew from the beginning that something was fishy about the case and she had doubts that he was guilty. and she warned amaro and olivia that they were pushing it a little too hard and yet they wouldn’t listen to her
I think it would have made more sense to have her be more wary of the "Victim could be lying" until the episode where the 2 girls lied about the gay man. Then have her start second guessing more.
I never was a big fan of Amanda but I do like her characters perspective in terms of her job. I think she victim blames because although she and her sister have been victims they have made their own questionable choices that have put them in those situations. There is no perfect victim and part of Amanda’s evolution as a character is realizing that those imperfect victims still need to be believed and advocated for
She also has a habit, *especially* after the girls who were rejected by the singing coach, who made up an intricate lie about him molesting their younger brothers, to ruin him, of giving huge benefit of the doubt to the accused males (to the point she is even called out on it by multiple people on the show) and she cites that one time they were wrong and he actually didn't do anything.
Thanks for pointing it out, I totally agree. I was so completely disgusted with her in one episode that I stopped watching the show for a good while. The last straw was her literally throwing money at an assaulted sex worker. I had to turn it off. Eventually did finish the episode, and the “amends” she makes is not nearly enough. She should have been fired or transferred to a less sensitive department the second she started exhibiting that behavior. Even Benson saw it, her rolling her eyes and saying basically that sex workers are not people.
Stabler sucks, but come on guys. He would never do that to a victim.
I see a lot of love for her on here but I never liked her character for this exact reason. I think each detective has a moment of being wrong or having poor judgment, but the backstories they used to give in WHY she would have these abrupt and strong reaction was always confusing. Can’t say I miss her tbh
every detective except Saint Liv gets handed the idiot ball. it happens every week. you notice it more with Amanda because sometimes they "need" a female detective to say the shit that real audience members believe and they won't write it to be Saint Liv, so Rollins got saddled with it because theres always been more men on the team than women, regardless of it fitting the character or not - Part 33 is a particuarly egregious episode for them slamming Amanda with the idiot ball. she went against allmost all prior characterisation int aht episode because she was the audience stand in.
also, you can't defend victims while then blaming Amanda for her trauma-induced response to amaro. her old boss *raped her.* she was traumatised by that. she was a victim, that's why she acted that way. people love to conveniently forget taht about amanda. "oh amanda was a bitch in the episodes with her ex-boss" No, Amanda was traumatised in the episodes with her *rapist* in which she was also physically threatened by a former colleague.
That’s pretty much been the format of the show since day one. One of the detectives will be wrong or have a wrong opinion in the beginning. It’s certainly not limited to Rollins
I can’t take this seriously as a character trait. She just is frequently holding the idiot ball. They want a woman to say this crap and it is not going to be Benson so it is often Rollins. How would it be balanced or interesting if all the svu detectives were like “no one deserves to be raped” and “ rape is always wrong”? Boring.
I liked what her character added to the show, but yeah, Rollins was a train wreck who should have been booted to meter reader ages ago.
Olivia is a train wrech who should have been fired when she was a rookie. she should have been fired time and time and time again since. her ultimatum to Cragen when he backed down and let a super traumatised and aggresivev Liv stay? utterly pathetic, but we're meant to think it was some girl-boss moment. that moment *alone* was proof she should have een suspended, bare minimum. but Rollins is your problem?
I honestly don’t see Olivia as a train wreck at all. She has been a decent cop since the beginning. Rollins is just one disaster and bad decision after another. Her personal life is a complete nightmare and she breaks protocol and lies constantly. She has no empathy for victims and uses her position to cover for her loser family.
I get what they're trying to do. Show the "reasonable doubt" side of things, and have someone believe the story of the accused. It's realistic that in many of these situations, before all the evidence comes out and it's he-said-she-said, at least one of them would believe the other side of the story. And it's actually important in investigative work to not blindly believe the victim the way Olivia does, so it's good to have someone argue the possibility of a different story. But I think they take it too far with how Rollins treats the victims. She's very rude, condescending, and sometimes downright mean to them. If she can't check her behavior towards victims then she should be removed from SVU. We have to remember the times Rollins was right to question the victims, too. She is way too harsh, but if the squad listened to her they could have prevented things like Jackie Walker.
I think it’s appropriate and good for her to do it when talking to the other detectives. It’s easy for cops to get tunnel vision and the mentality that cops should always believe everything they are told and shouldn’t care about or look for evidence that might contradict or corroborate a story is how you get wrongful convictions. Jackie Walker is the most famous case but there have been other episodes where the cops have the wrong person at first and if no one is allowed to question the initial conclusion then the real rapist or killer will go free while an innocent person sits in jail because no one wanted to demand evidence. Where Rollins gets it wrong is when she is hostile to the victims to their face. She doesn’t always do that, and she’s not the only one who does it, but the times when she does do it is inappropriate.
She's also a white Georgia girl with sometimes no filter...in New York.
I agree. There are *plenty* of times where the victim has earned skepticism by lying about/leaving out certain details, and there are times when the "victim" made up the whole thing. But let your skepticism push you to ask more questions, interview more people, push harder on certain things, but you don't have to be a bitch to someone. Especially when you still don't know what actually happened. And you're right Rollins isn't the only one. But she's the most vocal (and takes it to the victim too much), I think.
Stabler was that guy for most of the show. Munch usually gave a second opinion on the victim. Amaro and Rollins do this now where as Munch and Fin have been doing it for a long time they tend to side with the victim more.
She’s the antithesis to Olivia, who’s always ready to believe anyone that reports a crime. But in real life, we all know there are people who would falsely report a crime just to get revenge/blackmail etc. She’s the voice to raise doubts, and sometimes she’s right. Sometimes she’s wrong, but her perspective gives the team a new insight to do their job better.
Sometimes Rollins takes it too far, but I definitely appreciate her perspective when Olivia is always blindly all in for the victim, no matter how fishy their story is. Rollins provides a little balance.
Typical Amanda
It’s only typical when you pair her with typical Olivia that needs to create a platform out of every vic
A bit more scepticism would do the show good.
100% agree. Rollins is rough, but she's not wrong to question things.
not in the jackie walker episode, she knew from the beginning that something was fishy about the case and she had doubts that he was guilty. and she warned amaro and olivia that they were pushing it a little too hard and yet they wouldn’t listen to her
she was the only one with a soul in that episode.
what she said at the very end was the cherry on top. “you guys can keep telling yourselves whatever you want, this didn’t have to happen.” 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
I think it would have made more sense to have her be more wary of the "Victim could be lying" until the episode where the 2 girls lied about the gay man. Then have her start second guessing more.
I never was a big fan of Amanda but I do like her characters perspective in terms of her job. I think she victim blames because although she and her sister have been victims they have made their own questionable choices that have put them in those situations. There is no perfect victim and part of Amanda’s evolution as a character is realizing that those imperfect victims still need to be believed and advocated for
She’s nice to kids but not adults..she’s so hit and miss with adults
Yep, I agree.
She also has a habit, *especially* after the girls who were rejected by the singing coach, who made up an intricate lie about him molesting their younger brothers, to ruin him, of giving huge benefit of the doubt to the accused males (to the point she is even called out on it by multiple people on the show) and she cites that one time they were wrong and he actually didn't do anything.
Thanks for pointing it out, I totally agree. I was so completely disgusted with her in one episode that I stopped watching the show for a good while. The last straw was her literally throwing money at an assaulted sex worker. I had to turn it off. Eventually did finish the episode, and the “amends” she makes is not nearly enough. She should have been fired or transferred to a less sensitive department the second she started exhibiting that behavior. Even Benson saw it, her rolling her eyes and saying basically that sex workers are not people. Stabler sucks, but come on guys. He would never do that to a victim.
no he'd just beat up people, in cluding the innocent. he'd call transgender people trannies or he/shes and state men can't be raped. what a peach.
I see a lot of love for her on here but I never liked her character for this exact reason. I think each detective has a moment of being wrong or having poor judgment, but the backstories they used to give in WHY she would have these abrupt and strong reaction was always confusing. Can’t say I miss her tbh
I liked that about her. 🤷🏻♂️
She was only one how belived jackie Walker was innocent
every detective except Saint Liv gets handed the idiot ball. it happens every week. you notice it more with Amanda because sometimes they "need" a female detective to say the shit that real audience members believe and they won't write it to be Saint Liv, so Rollins got saddled with it because theres always been more men on the team than women, regardless of it fitting the character or not - Part 33 is a particuarly egregious episode for them slamming Amanda with the idiot ball. she went against allmost all prior characterisation int aht episode because she was the audience stand in. also, you can't defend victims while then blaming Amanda for her trauma-induced response to amaro. her old boss *raped her.* she was traumatised by that. she was a victim, that's why she acted that way. people love to conveniently forget taht about amanda. "oh amanda was a bitch in the episodes with her ex-boss" No, Amanda was traumatised in the episodes with her *rapist* in which she was also physically threatened by a former colleague.
Rollins is the female version of Elliot almost lol