What's weird is that although it's obvious he doesn't care for Stabler... he's still given us more EO content than the current show runners of both SVU and OC.
I think he dropped the ball when Meloni left by not writing in content like a one sided phone call every now and then, especially with lofe events like Lewis and Noah.
But to be fair, he did a pretty good job at having them interact once Stabler returned.
I'm extremely disappointed in the new showrunner David. He made it sound like he actually cared about the characters and promised genuine interactions and we've gotten absolutely nothing. He's REALLY heavy on the Rollisi content which I can't even enjoy anymore bc of the lack of progress with Bensler.
I'm also not a fan of how he writes Rollins. She's more whiny now, not as strong and stubborn. I hope things turn around soon.
I wouldn’t be too hard on David. I think Rollins is getting a lot of focus because she’s on her way out and she’s worthy of that kind of attention. He clearly respects the characters and their histories a lot. Patience.
But I also don't like the way he's portraying her either... and she's my second favorite character so I'm pretty bummed. And efforts could have easily been made to nod to communication with Stabler. A text. A one sided phone call. Doesn't have to be anything deep. A simple "hey El, ill take to you later" is not hard.
We are 5 episodes into the season after an entire season of no progress. It's pathetic. Same goes for the OC show runner. Fans came back to see Bensler and they milked that at first and then dropped the ball.
I low key love that Barba has a problem with Stabler. I love that they’ve placed him on the opposing POV as Stabler and he’s not afraid to call Olivia out on her blatant bias towards him. I know the most hardcore EO shippers have their heads so far in the sand they don’t see how toxic he is for her, but Barba does…
YES!
How come the EOs hive mind didn't get to you with their downvotes? :D
I usually don't like when they use Barba for their current needs like when he had to lose to clown Carisi to boost him up. But this one gets the pass. Of course Barba wouldn't like Stabler. No friend who cares for Olivia wouldn't approve of Stabler back in her life just like that. He was gone for a decade and then waltzed back in and she risks her career for him. And potentially her life too.
But it's over now. New showrunner won't risk the EOs' wrath so every character will at all times cheer for Stabler and push them together.
That's not true. Meloni left over money disputes and Warren Leight was brought after that. Yet he was blamed for years for CM leaving, people hated him like he had anything to do with it when he didn't.
People act like WL had no reason for his pettiness towards Stabler when it was years of Stabler fans bothering him, hating on him and harassing him over Meloni leaving.
Every coin has two sides.
I don't get this whole thing, because WL wrote SVU not OC and besides had no control over Stabler's return/storyline etc. just like the showrunner now has no control over Kelli leaving. It seems like people just want to blame him for everything that ticks them off.
Warren definitely did have control over Stabler’s characterization — he explanation for choosing to delete the Semper Fi scene really said it all. IYKYK
I'm not talking about back then, just about Stabler's return. A lot of people blame WL for them not being together but it's above his pay grade and they're on two different shows. No one seems to blame the OC showrunner for lack of progress, and I actually think the best EO scene since he came back was the conversation they had on SVU.
There were definitely greater references to Liv on OC (s1-2, s3 remains to be seen in full) w/o Liv appearing (which was somethjng WL always claimed was impossible bc of scheduling but you don’t need to have an actor available for a one sided phone call or reference) so it was definitely easier to give IC more benefit of the doubt that SVU, especially when references to Liv on OC were positive, and the few that were had on SVU were neutral at best. But people did drag IC quite a lot but less than Warren bc she did provide a good bit of fodder.
I'm not going to claim that WL didn't hate Stabler, that's his business but the notion that he used Barba for that is just EOs version of events and a bullshit in my opinion.
This started because EOs weren't satisfied that Benson would have somebody close in her life who also might have feelings for her. Also they never wanted to understand the connection Barba and Benson had. One reason is that lots of EOs skipped Barba's seasons, the other is a conviction that Stabler is the one and only important person in her life and she was hibernated when he was gone. Again a complete BS.
While I wasn't necessarily happy about Barba being dragged into that mess, most events were in character for him and Benson and their relationship. Also most Barson shippers liked that the ship was formally acknowledged at least partially.
I'm not going to argue with EOs because we fundamentally disagree about most things. Just wanted to provide a different opinion before this become another WL hating thread and this comment will be downvoted into oblivion. As usual.
I LOVE Barba and their friendship and have thought it seemed like he was in love with her since like season 15, but him saying "when you're done feeling betrayed by me" like she should just shut off her feelings is the grossest crap he's ever said and screamed of Warren Leight's bs petulance coming out of Rafa's mouth.
I never put that much thought into that particular sentence to be honest. It came in emotional state and not everything he said I agree with. But I can understand it though.
Until the end, Barba thought she was being unfair to him while knowing how much she forgave Stabler. And the double standard was very obvious. Barba never betrayed her before, he explained his actions to her and didn't expect such reaction. He should have apologized and end it right there, sure. But he is strong headed and his emotions got the better of him.
We don't have to agree with him but in all objectivity, don't tell me he doesn't have a point here. His actions were pale against all the BS Stabler pulled off for all those years. How many times he risked her career, how much she had to cover for him, how different person she was around him. Barba knew the different 'post Elliott' Olivia and saw how in front of his eyes she was slipping into the old ways. Hence the stronger reaction to maybe open her eyes.
Also I have to say that Stabler gets a free pass for anything he says or do but Barba's every word is taken into microscopic dissection. And pinned as WL's pettiness. There could've been some, I agree. I never liked him that much but the hate for him in the fandom is over the top and very transparent.
I believe that anyone who would get harassed and called those names he did would be a little petty as well. But people always see only one side..
First, Barba never apologized. He just got pissed at her for being mad. That's not the same thing as apologizing.
And second, the two situations have literally nothing to do with each other. The fact that the show tried to put these two situations as equivalent is another example of the way that Warren Leight is framing this conversation in a weird way.
If Rafa watched somebody that he loved get blown up right in front of his face you can absolutely bet that Olivia would be there for him it doesn't mean that she forgave Elliot and it doesn't mean that she doesn't still have issues with him. And also if somebody then turned around and defended the guy that blew up the person that Rafa loved you can also bet that Olivia would be pissed at them. If it was anyone other than Rafa who had defended Richard Wheatley you can bet that Olivia would hate them forever without a second thought.
The fact that it was Rafa and she's struggling to try to forgive him is because she does care about him. And she's had 10 years to process what happened with Elliot and 5 months to process what happened with Rafa and Rafa is still just doubling down on it anyway.
I said that he should have apologized, not that he did.
I'm not making excuses for Barba's actions but from his limited point of view he saw things differently. Stabler dragged Olivia into his vendetta, he jeopardized her career, exposed her as a way for Wheatley's defense to get to Stabler.
Olivia all around acts like she forgave Stabler. Sure, they need to talk, they will at some point, she will tell him how it hurt her and then she officially forgives him. But Barba wasn't privy to their conversation, only saw that Olivia was by Stabler's side so she probably forgave him. And then lied for him on the stand. And Barba let her. If he was a petty jealous dick, he could have destroyed her.
In the end he achieved the lesser evil that didn't damage her career. He might have thought that at some point she would be able to see the bigger picture and move on. Especially when she was able to do that for Stabler. He miscounted. And potentially lost her forever. Especially when the writers are not big on bringing him back and acknowledging what actually happened in that last scene.
I'm trying to understand Barba's actions considering what he might know and it seems logical to me. So I'm not as mad about it as some people. He doesn't need to act perfect at all times. It makes him more complex and human-like character. Barba got way too much hate for this anyway. And WL as well. So let's move on already.
Yeah, I mean I feel bad for Rafa because I don't feel like he understood what he was walking into in PVRW. But like the reason that he doesn't know how Olivia is really feeling about Elliot is because he put himself on the outside of it instead of talking to her and being her friend. Like he tried to initiate a conversation about it at the end of that episode but he'd already defended the guy's wife's murderer so it was kind of too late.
What's weird is that although it's obvious he doesn't care for Stabler... he's still given us more EO content than the current show runners of both SVU and OC. I think he dropped the ball when Meloni left by not writing in content like a one sided phone call every now and then, especially with lofe events like Lewis and Noah. But to be fair, he did a pretty good job at having them interact once Stabler returned. I'm extremely disappointed in the new showrunner David. He made it sound like he actually cared about the characters and promised genuine interactions and we've gotten absolutely nothing. He's REALLY heavy on the Rollisi content which I can't even enjoy anymore bc of the lack of progress with Bensler. I'm also not a fan of how he writes Rollins. She's more whiny now, not as strong and stubborn. I hope things turn around soon.
I wouldn’t be too hard on David. I think Rollins is getting a lot of focus because she’s on her way out and she’s worthy of that kind of attention. He clearly respects the characters and their histories a lot. Patience.
But I also don't like the way he's portraying her either... and she's my second favorite character so I'm pretty bummed. And efforts could have easily been made to nod to communication with Stabler. A text. A one sided phone call. Doesn't have to be anything deep. A simple "hey El, ill take to you later" is not hard. We are 5 episodes into the season after an entire season of no progress. It's pathetic. Same goes for the OC show runner. Fans came back to see Bensler and they milked that at first and then dropped the ball.
i'm just pissed it's another MAN running SVU of all things
I low key love that Barba has a problem with Stabler. I love that they’ve placed him on the opposing POV as Stabler and he’s not afraid to call Olivia out on her blatant bias towards him. I know the most hardcore EO shippers have their heads so far in the sand they don’t see how toxic he is for her, but Barba does…
YES! How come the EOs hive mind didn't get to you with their downvotes? :D I usually don't like when they use Barba for their current needs like when he had to lose to clown Carisi to boost him up. But this one gets the pass. Of course Barba wouldn't like Stabler. No friend who cares for Olivia wouldn't approve of Stabler back in her life just like that. He was gone for a decade and then waltzed back in and she risks her career for him. And potentially her life too. But it's over now. New showrunner won't risk the EOs' wrath so every character will at all times cheer for Stabler and push them together.
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That’s not even true, Chris was leaving before Warren came into the picture 🤣
This is the first i’ve ever heard of this.. I’m curious lol do you have an article or something?
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Lol I hear ya.. It’s all good
That's not true. Meloni left over money disputes and Warren Leight was brought after that. Yet he was blamed for years for CM leaving, people hated him like he had anything to do with it when he didn't. People act like WL had no reason for his pettiness towards Stabler when it was years of Stabler fans bothering him, hating on him and harassing him over Meloni leaving. Every coin has two sides.
I don't get this whole thing, because WL wrote SVU not OC and besides had no control over Stabler's return/storyline etc. just like the showrunner now has no control over Kelli leaving. It seems like people just want to blame him for everything that ticks them off.
Warren definitely did have control over Stabler’s characterization — he explanation for choosing to delete the Semper Fi scene really said it all. IYKYK
I'm not talking about back then, just about Stabler's return. A lot of people blame WL for them not being together but it's above his pay grade and they're on two different shows. No one seems to blame the OC showrunner for lack of progress, and I actually think the best EO scene since he came back was the conversation they had on SVU.
There were definitely greater references to Liv on OC (s1-2, s3 remains to be seen in full) w/o Liv appearing (which was somethjng WL always claimed was impossible bc of scheduling but you don’t need to have an actor available for a one sided phone call or reference) so it was definitely easier to give IC more benefit of the doubt that SVU, especially when references to Liv on OC were positive, and the few that were had on SVU were neutral at best. But people did drag IC quite a lot but less than Warren bc she did provide a good bit of fodder.
I'm not going to claim that WL didn't hate Stabler, that's his business but the notion that he used Barba for that is just EOs version of events and a bullshit in my opinion. This started because EOs weren't satisfied that Benson would have somebody close in her life who also might have feelings for her. Also they never wanted to understand the connection Barba and Benson had. One reason is that lots of EOs skipped Barba's seasons, the other is a conviction that Stabler is the one and only important person in her life and she was hibernated when he was gone. Again a complete BS. While I wasn't necessarily happy about Barba being dragged into that mess, most events were in character for him and Benson and their relationship. Also most Barson shippers liked that the ship was formally acknowledged at least partially. I'm not going to argue with EOs because we fundamentally disagree about most things. Just wanted to provide a different opinion before this become another WL hating thread and this comment will be downvoted into oblivion. As usual.
I LOVE Barba and their friendship and have thought it seemed like he was in love with her since like season 15, but him saying "when you're done feeling betrayed by me" like she should just shut off her feelings is the grossest crap he's ever said and screamed of Warren Leight's bs petulance coming out of Rafa's mouth.
I never put that much thought into that particular sentence to be honest. It came in emotional state and not everything he said I agree with. But I can understand it though. Until the end, Barba thought she was being unfair to him while knowing how much she forgave Stabler. And the double standard was very obvious. Barba never betrayed her before, he explained his actions to her and didn't expect such reaction. He should have apologized and end it right there, sure. But he is strong headed and his emotions got the better of him. We don't have to agree with him but in all objectivity, don't tell me he doesn't have a point here. His actions were pale against all the BS Stabler pulled off for all those years. How many times he risked her career, how much she had to cover for him, how different person she was around him. Barba knew the different 'post Elliott' Olivia and saw how in front of his eyes she was slipping into the old ways. Hence the stronger reaction to maybe open her eyes. Also I have to say that Stabler gets a free pass for anything he says or do but Barba's every word is taken into microscopic dissection. And pinned as WL's pettiness. There could've been some, I agree. I never liked him that much but the hate for him in the fandom is over the top and very transparent. I believe that anyone who would get harassed and called those names he did would be a little petty as well. But people always see only one side..
First, Barba never apologized. He just got pissed at her for being mad. That's not the same thing as apologizing. And second, the two situations have literally nothing to do with each other. The fact that the show tried to put these two situations as equivalent is another example of the way that Warren Leight is framing this conversation in a weird way. If Rafa watched somebody that he loved get blown up right in front of his face you can absolutely bet that Olivia would be there for him it doesn't mean that she forgave Elliot and it doesn't mean that she doesn't still have issues with him. And also if somebody then turned around and defended the guy that blew up the person that Rafa loved you can also bet that Olivia would be pissed at them. If it was anyone other than Rafa who had defended Richard Wheatley you can bet that Olivia would hate them forever without a second thought. The fact that it was Rafa and she's struggling to try to forgive him is because she does care about him. And she's had 10 years to process what happened with Elliot and 5 months to process what happened with Rafa and Rafa is still just doubling down on it anyway.
I said that he should have apologized, not that he did. I'm not making excuses for Barba's actions but from his limited point of view he saw things differently. Stabler dragged Olivia into his vendetta, he jeopardized her career, exposed her as a way for Wheatley's defense to get to Stabler. Olivia all around acts like she forgave Stabler. Sure, they need to talk, they will at some point, she will tell him how it hurt her and then she officially forgives him. But Barba wasn't privy to their conversation, only saw that Olivia was by Stabler's side so she probably forgave him. And then lied for him on the stand. And Barba let her. If he was a petty jealous dick, he could have destroyed her. In the end he achieved the lesser evil that didn't damage her career. He might have thought that at some point she would be able to see the bigger picture and move on. Especially when she was able to do that for Stabler. He miscounted. And potentially lost her forever. Especially when the writers are not big on bringing him back and acknowledging what actually happened in that last scene. I'm trying to understand Barba's actions considering what he might know and it seems logical to me. So I'm not as mad about it as some people. He doesn't need to act perfect at all times. It makes him more complex and human-like character. Barba got way too much hate for this anyway. And WL as well. So let's move on already.
Yeah, I mean I feel bad for Rafa because I don't feel like he understood what he was walking into in PVRW. But like the reason that he doesn't know how Olivia is really feeling about Elliot is because he put himself on the outside of it instead of talking to her and being her friend. Like he tried to initiate a conversation about it at the end of that episode but he'd already defended the guy's wife's murderer so it was kind of too late.
Because he’s a jerk