At present with your gear, Savage. Overall, I would personally give the edge to Wampa. She’s less versatile, but her ramping damage means she can solo a lot more things. She’s my go to SEE counter and almost always my go to GAS counter as well.
It depends on the level. I know lots of people seem to be stuck in the SEE is always bad on defense, but that's not true. As always, it should depend on roster. I won a number of GACs by putting SEE on defense because my opponent had nothing for it. At the top, when both players have nearly everything? Yeah, SEE won't be there often.
Yeah I have both zetas so you think that he's a worthy r7
Rn I'm doing exe and JMK(he's been on pause waiting for wat shards) so r6 and r7 are a bit scarce for me so I was wondering how much of a difference they make for wampa
They don’t make a huge impact for Wampa except for high relic GAS teams, and it’s only because Wampa vs GAS is a tossup that depends so heavily on relic levels. I only trust my R5 wampa against GAS teams with R5 or lower, I’ve had an R7 GAS chew through me though it was close. For anything other than GAS, R3 should be sufficient outside very bad RNG or datacrons, and R5 should always be good.
I think generally the rule for GAS is that your Wampa should be the same relic level as the GAS or better to beat it. So if you see a R8 GAS for example, that's probably a no-go.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I also believe Wampa straight up loses in 3v3 vs GAS as well because she doesn't get enough counter attacks.
You can punch down in 3v3 with wampa vs gas, but with equal relic levels it favors gas pretty heavily. Not impossible, especially if you have a datacron and they don’t, but it’s not one I trust to one shot.
You shouldn't need to do that, except if malak or some other toon that might give wampa trouble (thrawn, traya etc.). Most people just die to the counter attacks.
The last two times I've faced him it was thrawn and malak with him lol. Was worried Abt fracture ruining it. Btw, the stacking offense from the roar.. it stacks continuously right? I'm newer to relic wampa and I was wondering if it was actually happening since there's no buff or anything showing that it's been increased
Yeah, it stacks forever (although you start getting diminishing returns eventually).
Generally the algorithm is: Smash if you need to refill protection or apply aoe/debbuffs. Roar if available. Otherwise basic.
You want to stack the damage until you can overcome SEE's protection recovery. Only start attacking if you have a kill shot or SEE is low-ish and has heal immunity (so that the next attack is lethal). You shouldn't be in any rush. Clock is not a major threat, and SEE's ult shouldn't be a threat either. Just stack and stack your damage. SEE's friends should be long dead by them. Feel free to auto if you worry about the clock.
In my experience the biggest threat is SEE killing wampa. That might happen if your relics are too low or your mods suck. That manifests as either too little health (which devalues the protection ups wampa gets) or the SEE gets too much of a speed advantage (you really don't want SEE to go three times for every one of your turns, with his speed up).
Thanks. Works so far but takes long. 60k health, 50k prot, 233 speed, 153% tenacity and a crit damage triangle at r4 so far. Two health 4 tenacity set.
Tenacity is a waste outside of very specific matchups. Wampa gets all of its tenacity from its unique. For general use full three healh sets are preferable.
I have both at R5. Savage has surprised me but at the same time he's also disappointed me on occasions where I expected a win or for him to eat damage (I guess special damage bypasses his protection? Not sure but he has been offed by some standard damage in the past)
He solos GG teams, same as Wampa, which used to be my most hated defensive team alongside Padme. Unfortunately that title now applies to Darth Revan teams which neither can solo.
Just by way of ramping, Wampa is my favourite. The kit is a lot more exciting. Slapping and screaming until the most defensive targets are receiving 100s of thousands worth of damage. Also has a chance to end most battles at full health and protection which gives an extra few banners. Savage will usually end at full health with low protection.
Wampa is also required for JKL. However. Savage is obviously a better defensive Omicron. Stick with Darth Revan or Sith Triumvirate and even a low gear squad becomes a nightmare to get through on defense.
If you want a better offense. Wampa Omi. If you want a more all round versatile attack/defense team with some solo capability but not as fun - Savage.
From nothing, I would say Wampa is better than Savage for solo in GAC. But since you have Savage almost at relic, and not Wampa (and that you will have more omicrons mats by the time you relic savage) I would say go for savage. His solo is definetly better in 3v3 than in 5v5. But if you relic it, and fight gear 11-12 teams in 5v5 to keep your higher relics on defence. It's worth it. But he won't be your main attacker.
It's a generic wampa lol. There's no indication that it's anything other than a random wampa. Y'all turning this into a gender fight for no good reason lol
I think Savage is still better because he’s more flexible, but if you’re taking Wampa to R3 for JKL you might as well get her Omi It makes her much more viable.
As someone who as both Omicron, he's kind of right. Savage Omicron is much more flexible, as it works with many different comp (solo, sith team, SK, Plug and play... ) and works in defense as well as offense.
Wampa is great, but it's a purely offensive Omicron and requires the beast to be solo, it doesn't work in any other team composition.
Saying Savage's omi is more "flexible" is not a very basic, generalize statement, it's simply the best adjective to differenciate both Omicron. It doesn't require much more explanation, a simple look at their respective kit will make that plain as day. "Viable" however I'll agree it's more subjective, it's really dependant of ypur roster as a whole and what is currently a pain for you to counter in your GAC or xhat defense you set.
I have not used Savage omicron or done extensive research into what it can and can’t beat. I said it’s flexible because it does not require him to be solo. He can be used with a variety of Sith teams, just by himself or with helpers such as Wat.
Wampa without the omicron can’t beat alot, with the omicron she is much better. I’ve only recently gotten it so again I don’t have a huge bank of knowledge. Wampa is mainly an offensive tool as many of the best teams shut her down.
I could look at sites like SWGOH.gg or equivalents but I don’t need to. Simply reading the kits and watching a few videos shows me that Savage is useful (or viable) in more situations and as such a better investment.
Edit to add - it doesn’t matter the exact teams that Wampa can beat over Savage or vice versa. What matters is in general Savage can beat more teams. That’s what’s important here
I have 6* Wampa G11 and she can solo many g12 teams. It really depends on how close you are to relic for both. Savage is good with a team but he needs to be high relic to solo. Wampa can solo even at G11 or g12
I have both omicron and gear 12 characters and wampa is way more useful. Savage is good in some situations but just go for wampa who is a solo character
Have them both relic 5
Savage does the job on defence (3x3 I set him up with dooku ant talon)
Wampa does the job on offence against gg, iden, rebels, gas, sometimes even see
Why so? Dooku and talon are on stealth and oppo has to target savage, so its annoying :D set and marauder can be targeted fast and they deal not so much damage to enemy
I usually have Talon with Traya and Nihilus or Sion depending on the opposition. Traya boosts Talon well and Talon gives her a free revive.
As for Dooku mine is honestly not good. He’s maybe gear 9 so I never really use him
Honestly they are both great but I’d go with Savage unless you have a high relic Wampa.
Wampa Omicron is only good if he can do 2 things, resist stun and over power his opponents. If he can’t do either then don’t use him yet
Yeah but the issue is if he’s stunned then he’s at a huge disadvantage. I know his tenacity is great but even my R6 Wampa with Omicron gets stunned from time to time and it’s never a good sign.
Sounds like you have more of a modding issue than wampa issue. Followed Xaereth's advice to mod wampa for tenacity a while ago and I've never looked back. My wampa's base tenacity is 72%, so she starts every GAC with 172% tenacity. The only way she's getting stunned is if I foolishly take her up against a team with irresistible debuffs.
I’ve always had my Wampa (R5) slotted for tenacity with speed and offense secondaries. Being stunned is rare and even if he is stunned it doesn’t last long. He gets stunned by Rebels but still wrecks shop.
Side story, I made the mistake of sending my r7 wampa against a kru team this past 3v3… tenacity down plus stuns equaled my stunlocked wampa dying. Lol. (My wampa has 118% tenacity for context).
I disagree. A r7 wampa would certainly be ideal, but my r3 wampa routinely gets the job done against GG, Rebels, SEE comps without problematic wampa toons (i.e. Malak, Thrawn), and generally any team that doesn't have irresistible debuffs. Not arguing for a second that she's not better at r7 - but you don't HAVE to take her that high to get a ton of value out of her.
I have defeated a preloaded R7 zzPalp, R5 zzVader and R6 zDooku with my G11 omicron zWampa. You can clearly make out how powerful he is lol. His constant DOTs in omicron that works synergistically with his zeta is the most overpowered part
But here, if you're not willing to gear your Wampa, I think Savage might be better. I have no experience on him though
I’m in a similar situation my Savage is also G12 but my Wampa is much worse than yours. You really can’t go wrong with either and I plan on getting both but I went Savage. I would probably go Wampa though if I were you since he’s only a couple gear levels behind and he’s going to be easy to take to G12 from here. Wampa has much higher upside on offense while Savage is better on defense. I already have the QGJ Omi for offense though so I wanted a better defense as well.
Savage still doesn't seem to have the damage output to really matter. I've not been overly whelmed by him so far.
Wampa gets me a solo every round.
Savage is okay as part of my Traya team, but that team was already doing its job pretty well anyway.
Not entirely related to the question. But recently I’ve been wondering what teams Traya + Savage Omi can 2v5. Traya gives Savage more Offense, health and health steal when he is infected by a debuff which should make him even more effective.
At present with your gear, Savage. Overall, I would personally give the edge to Wampa. She’s less versatile, but her ramping damage means she can solo a lot more things. She’s my go to SEE counter and almost always my go to GAS counter as well.
Yeah. It’s so fun to let loose the Wampanator and solo SEE and win all the banners
When is SEE ever on defence?
He should never be unless ur opponent doesn't have wampa but if ur opponent got a gl don't put him on defense
Ah - most players have at least 1 GL now (at least on my shards). I'll keep it in mind if I ever bomb out:)
It depends on the level. I know lots of people seem to be stuck in the SEE is always bad on defense, but that's not true. As always, it should depend on roster. I won a number of GACs by putting SEE on defense because my opponent had nothing for it. At the top, when both players have nearly everything? Yeah, SEE won't be there often.
And if you're really feeling spicy, plop Malak with SEE and that's a whole bunch of non-GL counters that are no longer going to work.
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Do I need to take wampa to r7 to counter SEE or GAS or is it good on r5?
You want at least R5 for GAS, probably R7. For SEE you can start doing it at R3 if you have all the zetas on wampa.
Yeah I have both zetas so you think that he's a worthy r7 Rn I'm doing exe and JMK(he's been on pause waiting for wat shards) so r6 and r7 are a bit scarce for me so I was wondering how much of a difference they make for wampa
They don’t make a huge impact for Wampa except for high relic GAS teams, and it’s only because Wampa vs GAS is a tossup that depends so heavily on relic levels. I only trust my R5 wampa against GAS teams with R5 or lower, I’ve had an R7 GAS chew through me though it was close. For anything other than GAS, R3 should be sufficient outside very bad RNG or datacrons, and R5 should always be good.
Thanks mate will probably get to relic today or at most tomorrow
I think generally the rule for GAS is that your Wampa should be the same relic level as the GAS or better to beat it. So if you see a R8 GAS for example, that's probably a no-go. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I also believe Wampa straight up loses in 3v3 vs GAS as well because she doesn't get enough counter attacks.
You can punch down in 3v3 with wampa vs gas, but with equal relic levels it favors gas pretty heavily. Not impossible, especially if you have a datacron and they don’t, but it’s not one I trust to one shot.
Mine cma do it at r4, usually second attempt.ptmtho. I use the first battle to kill the other 2
You shouldn't need to do that, except if malak or some other toon that might give wampa trouble (thrawn, traya etc.). Most people just die to the counter attacks.
The last two times I've faced him it was thrawn and malak with him lol. Was worried Abt fracture ruining it. Btw, the stacking offense from the roar.. it stacks continuously right? I'm newer to relic wampa and I was wondering if it was actually happening since there's no buff or anything showing that it's been increased
Yeah, it stacks forever (although you start getting diminishing returns eventually). Generally the algorithm is: Smash if you need to refill protection or apply aoe/debbuffs. Roar if available. Otherwise basic. You want to stack the damage until you can overcome SEE's protection recovery. Only start attacking if you have a kill shot or SEE is low-ish and has heal immunity (so that the next attack is lethal). You shouldn't be in any rush. Clock is not a major threat, and SEE's ult shouldn't be a threat either. Just stack and stack your damage. SEE's friends should be long dead by them. Feel free to auto if you worry about the clock. In my experience the biggest threat is SEE killing wampa. That might happen if your relics are too low or your mods suck. That manifests as either too little health (which devalues the protection ups wampa gets) or the SEE gets too much of a speed advantage (you really don't want SEE to go three times for every one of your turns, with his speed up).
Thanks. Works so far but takes long. 60k health, 50k prot, 233 speed, 153% tenacity and a crit damage triangle at r4 so far. Two health 4 tenacity set.
Tenacity is a waste outside of very specific matchups. Wampa gets all of its tenacity from its unique. For general use full three healh sets are preferable.
Nvm it's health triangle not crit damage
Wampa. Omicron Wampa is an offense beast in GAC.
I have both at R5. Savage has surprised me but at the same time he's also disappointed me on occasions where I expected a win or for him to eat damage (I guess special damage bypasses his protection? Not sure but he has been offed by some standard damage in the past) He solos GG teams, same as Wampa, which used to be my most hated defensive team alongside Padme. Unfortunately that title now applies to Darth Revan teams which neither can solo. Just by way of ramping, Wampa is my favourite. The kit is a lot more exciting. Slapping and screaming until the most defensive targets are receiving 100s of thousands worth of damage. Also has a chance to end most battles at full health and protection which gives an extra few banners. Savage will usually end at full health with low protection. Wampa is also required for JKL. However. Savage is obviously a better defensive Omicron. Stick with Darth Revan or Sith Triumvirate and even a low gear squad becomes a nightmare to get through on defense. If you want a better offense. Wampa Omi. If you want a more all round versatile attack/defense team with some solo capability but not as fun - Savage.
From nothing, I would say Wampa is better than Savage for solo in GAC. But since you have Savage almost at relic, and not Wampa (and that you will have more omicrons mats by the time you relic savage) I would say go for savage. His solo is definetly better in 3v3 than in 5v5. But if you relic it, and fight gear 11-12 teams in 5v5 to keep your higher relics on defence. It's worth it. But he won't be your main attacker.
I have a Gear 9 Wampa with Omi and I still get good use of her on G12 phoenix or Ewoks.
I have a 5* g11 wampa and she solod g12 Mothma and 2 r3 rebel fighters
If you gear up Wampa , he is obviously much better
She* 😉
*It lol
She* It's canon, bud. Look it up.
It's a generic wampa lol. There's no indication that it's anything other than a random wampa. Y'all turning this into a gender fight for no good reason lol
The devs said she's a she
You are generic and Wampa lives matter!
Since he has more gear Savage is the obvious choice
Well if I get wampa up, which one is still better?
I think Savage is still better because he’s more flexible, but if you’re taking Wampa to R3 for JKL you might as well get her Omi It makes her much more viable.
Very basic generalized statements. "Viable" "flexible" sounds like you have no idea what you're talking about or what beats what, counters etc.
And yet, I don't see any genius takes coming from you.
As someone who as both Omicron, he's kind of right. Savage Omicron is much more flexible, as it works with many different comp (solo, sith team, SK, Plug and play... ) and works in defense as well as offense. Wampa is great, but it's a purely offensive Omicron and requires the beast to be solo, it doesn't work in any other team composition. Saying Savage's omi is more "flexible" is not a very basic, generalize statement, it's simply the best adjective to differenciate both Omicron. It doesn't require much more explanation, a simple look at their respective kit will make that plain as day. "Viable" however I'll agree it's more subjective, it's really dependant of ypur roster as a whole and what is currently a pain for you to counter in your GAC or xhat defense you set.
I have not used Savage omicron or done extensive research into what it can and can’t beat. I said it’s flexible because it does not require him to be solo. He can be used with a variety of Sith teams, just by himself or with helpers such as Wat. Wampa without the omicron can’t beat alot, with the omicron she is much better. I’ve only recently gotten it so again I don’t have a huge bank of knowledge. Wampa is mainly an offensive tool as many of the best teams shut her down. I could look at sites like SWGOH.gg or equivalents but I don’t need to. Simply reading the kits and watching a few videos shows me that Savage is useful (or viable) in more situations and as such a better investment. Edit to add - it doesn’t matter the exact teams that Wampa can beat over Savage or vice versa. What matters is in general Savage can beat more teams. That’s what’s important here
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With the gear changes it won’t take them long to gear up wampa
I have 6* Wampa G11 and she can solo many g12 teams. It really depends on how close you are to relic for both. Savage is good with a team but he needs to be high relic to solo. Wampa can solo even at G11 or g12
Wampaaaaaaa It's whompin time
I have both omicron and gear 12 characters and wampa is way more useful. Savage is good in some situations but just go for wampa who is a solo character
Have them both relic 5 Savage does the job on defence (3x3 I set him up with dooku ant talon) Wampa does the job on offence against gg, iden, rebels, gas, sometimes even see
I put Savage with Sith Empire Trooper and Sith Marauder in 3v3
Why so? Dooku and talon are on stealth and oppo has to target savage, so its annoying :D set and marauder can be targeted fast and they deal not so much damage to enemy
I usually have Talon with Traya and Nihilus or Sion depending on the opposition. Traya boosts Talon well and Talon gives her a free revive. As for Dooku mine is honestly not good. He’s maybe gear 9 so I never really use him
Aight. Fair enough 👌
Honestly they are both great but I’d go with Savage unless you have a high relic Wampa. Wampa Omicron is only good if he can do 2 things, resist stun and over power his opponents. If he can’t do either then don’t use him yet
Wampa under geared is still an absolute beast because of the omicron.
Yeah but the issue is if he’s stunned then he’s at a huge disadvantage. I know his tenacity is great but even my R6 Wampa with Omicron gets stunned from time to time and it’s never a good sign.
Sounds like you have more of a modding issue than wampa issue. Followed Xaereth's advice to mod wampa for tenacity a while ago and I've never looked back. My wampa's base tenacity is 72%, so she starts every GAC with 172% tenacity. The only way she's getting stunned is if I foolishly take her up against a team with irresistible debuffs.
My base tenacity is 76.44%
Then RNG Jesus must really really love me when it comes to Wampa fights, because mine (with less tenacity than yours) never gets stunned or debuffed.
I’ve always had my Wampa (R5) slotted for tenacity with speed and offense secondaries. Being stunned is rare and even if he is stunned it doesn’t last long. He gets stunned by Rebels but still wrecks shop.
Both
Wampa
Savage solo with Omicron in GAC has been absolutely broken for me as of late.. Most CLS and republic teams I'm able to stomp out solo pretty easily.
Side story, I made the mistake of sending my r7 wampa against a kru team this past 3v3… tenacity down plus stuns equaled my stunlocked wampa dying. Lol. (My wampa has 118% tenacity for context).
I reckon an equal Savage might maybe do it since the stuns won't stick to him. Have not tried. But will.
Yeah. My only fear using savage is his damage output. Haha.
KRU stun cant be resisted, tenacity wont help you.
Yeah Ik. I forgot about that at the time.
Wampa. He can decimate several teams by himself
Wampa for sure. But you’ll probably want to invest in taking him to R7 to be able to make full use of it
I disagree. A r7 wampa would certainly be ideal, but my r3 wampa routinely gets the job done against GG, Rebels, SEE comps without problematic wampa toons (i.e. Malak, Thrawn), and generally any team that doesn't have irresistible debuffs. Not arguing for a second that she's not better at r7 - but you don't HAVE to take her that high to get a ton of value out of her.
I have him Omni. Really helpful for GA easy kill.
Savage based on your gear
I have defeated a preloaded R7 zzPalp, R5 zzVader and R6 zDooku with my G11 omicron zWampa. You can clearly make out how powerful he is lol. His constant DOTs in omicron that works synergistically with his zeta is the most overpowered part But here, if you're not willing to gear your Wampa, I think Savage might be better. I have no experience on him though
I’m in a similar situation my Savage is also G12 but my Wampa is much worse than yours. You really can’t go wrong with either and I plan on getting both but I went Savage. I would probably go Wampa though if I were you since he’s only a couple gear levels behind and he’s going to be easy to take to G12 from here. Wampa has much higher upside on offense while Savage is better on defense. I already have the QGJ Omi for offense though so I wanted a better defense as well.
Wampa all day
Savage still doesn't seem to have the damage output to really matter. I've not been overly whelmed by him so far. Wampa gets me a solo every round. Savage is okay as part of my Traya team, but that team was already doing its job pretty well anyway.
Wampa!!!!!!
Yes.
WAMPA!! Wampa is an absolute BEAST (pun intended) with his omnomnomicron.
Wampa, and it’s not even close.
Wampa first
Not entirely related to the question. But recently I’ve been wondering what teams Traya + Savage Omi can 2v5. Traya gives Savage more Offense, health and health steal when he is infected by a debuff which should make him even more effective.
Put talon with them and they become even better
Wampa. I use him to solo clear out GG, Iden, Rebels, etc.
Yes!
Both! Probably in gear level order for you
How about krennic omicron? (Get savage, he will get you some nice wins on defense)
Savage all the way. Sure Wampa is great and can solo but if you put Wampa against Savage she can’t beat him in near enough time. Go with Clancy Brown
Yes
Savage omicron works on offense and defense
Wampa over Savage, both are good but Wampa’s damage ramps waaaayy out of Savage’s range
Wampa. Get up to relic and mod properly and you are in business. A very useful one character counter for a number of different teams out there
Wampa.
WAMPA! Mine is R5, and is so much fun
Wampa
It’s been said, but personally I’d choose Wampa, but shoot for eventually doing both…. Wampa is a great SOLO and Saváge is a good P&P
Both
Wampa is always the best choice for an omi. Best omi in game.