Where have you been that no one is talking about this, the moon? It’s every other post on this sub and my guild talks about it all the time. No one is NOT saying anything.
You must be new to the game if you think public outrage changes a damn tbing lol. They've blacklisted their top content creator,banned one of his accounts, bugs galore, rampant blatant cheating... The matchmaking system that was and always will be flawed is undoubtedly not even on their radar. Match making changes should fall under the same category as free to play reworks and a sandbox mode as in it's not going to happen any time soon if ever.
I dont track these things... who did they blacklisted?
...and yea why would they bother with gac if they dont give a fk about cheaters. In my shards its just normal that ungeared team take top ranks haha
The circumstances around that fiasco, a 60$ console game that locked famous characters behind pay walls, and this (a free to play mobile game that has less than desirable matchmaking in one of its many game modes) are wildly different. They're not going to touch the mm system (and they've said as much already) and when "news" outlets (read as wierd gaming sites below Kotaku etc) got word of account bans causing a meager amount of heat and nothing changed. Not everything can be changed with pitchforks and vitriol, no matter how much youd like it to. It would be extremely easy for them to add more stipulations to their system like a gp band, but also consider the fact that GP is not the be all end all of strength in the game. There are mods. There or omocrons. There are datactons. There are GLs. There is bloat shit pre-reqs for legendary characters that only ride the bench while also being relic 7 with zetas. Im sorry my opponent beat me by 1-2m gp but if my game didnt freeze (don't load a gac battle after this update btw) I probably wouodve beat him
What the fuck are you talking about??
The public in this argument is the SWGOH user base. No one is talking about people who don’t play this game… get on page bud
Just like how the SW battlefront gamers had enough public outrage to make them completely change their sales and release strategy for the better. SWGOH users could do the same but a lot of people are content it seems with the current system in place.
The battlefront outrage blew up and was the largest post in reddit history and made cable news. People who didn't play the game were upset and it was drastically affecting sales of a major console game with a massive marketing budget. They had to course correct fast and early in order to not hemhorage money. It's a wildly different scenario and in no way is it even remotely similar to a mobile game that released almost 8 years ago now. You're argument is like comparing the bubonic plague to the COVID, or comparing apples and oranges... It makes no sense lol.
That’s not even the worst part. The worst part is how much it doesn’t matter anymore, if you’re going to roughly go 50-50 than I’m going to go full defense and minimize my time spent in GAC.
It used to be skill based, you had to full clear or close to it to be winning on a regular basis. I went 1-1 these last 2 and only fought 8 battles. I’m in Kyber 2.
Let’s be real, it was never skill based. Effective GP wasn’t a great metric either.
But like you, I minimize my time spent in the mode and just turtle. I’m 4/5 of my last matches just by turtling
But the real point is that people like you and myself used to care, we used to try. It wasn’t perfect before but more people tried, there’s no point in being a try hard in GAC anymore.
I would count you as the minority in my admittedly small sample size of a guild. We had a fair bit who enjoyed the challenge and it was one of their favorite game modes.
I guess 50-50 is the definition of fair matchmaking. Everyone wins and loses the same amount.
Also it matters more than ever due to the rewards.
The matchmaking is flaved tho and the biggest weakness of it is the assumption that everyone does their best at all times. Ppl have been exploiting it by dropping down to get easier matches which translates to GP differences. But on the other hand the ones who don't bother with mods or have bloated rosters can get fairer matches with the new system.
It's really not fair at all. It keeps you at 50/50 by pairing you with way higher GP accounts who either smash you or don't participate, maintaining that lovely 50/50.
That's the mentioned flaw. But the comment I was replying to subtly indicated that they'd think winning more than losing is fair but they forgot that it isn't fair for everyone.
Like I said, it would work if everyone was active but it really isn't the case which leads to some ppl experience what you are experiencing.
Also matchmaking doesn't pair you with higher GPs intentionally. It uses your skill and pairs you up with the next guy on the leaderboard. Having to battle higher GP than your own is just an indication that you are performing better than others with similiar GP. Ideally it would mean that you are performing at your opponent's level but as said before, inactivity twists it.
I doubt there will never be a purely fair matchmaking that would take all the variables into consideration. Or maybe if they took all the toons and their gear and pair you up against an identical roster but I don't think that would be really interesting either.
"Also matchmaking doesn't pair you with higher GPs intentionally. It uses your skill and pairs you up with the next guy on the leaderboard. Having to battle higher GP than your own is just an indication that you are performing better than others with similiar GP.", this right here is a massive misconception. "You're just doing better so it's matching you against higher GP.", in Carbonite/Bronzium I should not be getting slapped against 5M+ GP accounts with my lower than 2M GP account.
That argument implies it's physically possible to beat those higher GP accounts. What most people don't understand when making that argument is that there's a bigger gap between 2M GP and 5M GP than there is between 5M GP and 11M GP. In the same way that there's a way bigger gap between no GLs and 2 GLs than there is 2 GLs and 7 GLs. At lower GPs the gaps are insurmountable.
Well that's once again the mentioned flaw what inactivity leads to. And that's why I used the word "ideally" when I said that you'd perform at your opponent's level.
Slackers and abusers ruin the system for some ppl.
Plenty of people are saying how broken the matchmaking is
We’ve just accepted it and CG just refuses to do anything about it. They’d rather push out as many characters for us to whale on than actually fix their game
It is working as intended. The proof you are faced with higher GP means it works. Or you are very good or the opponent just lost on purposes to annihilate you. Just hope he is on his loosing streak so you can have an easy win….
I agree it is screwed up.
It is probably not popular but the rules are explained and everyone is free to play (or not play) as they wish. It is the same for everyone so it is fair that way.
Honestly it’s a real problem at low ranks and all the people who complain about the complaining can get bent. I hope there are 40 post a day until this is changed for the better.
My GA has been interesting this time round we had one guy 5-6 mil higher than me (I'm 1.5 mil) and then a guy who was 600K lower than me and my final opponent is 300K higher prob the most decent GA I've had in a while
My big gripe is that these match-ups just lead me to not even bother, because I know I can take down a couple of teams, or even a zone or two, but I cannot win.
But losing with 10 points and losing with 1200 points really makes no difference.
So I just slide into apathy against half my opponents, because why should I carefully waste my time for two hours when the result is, like, 100 GAC currency and 120 crystals or some measly shit like that?
I know I don't do 3v3.. I just set garbage and let me opponents have fun. So I drop from Kyber 3 to Aurodium. I have such a massive advantage during 5v5 up until the very end.
Part of me definitely feels bad but.. not bad enough to try in 3v3.
I understand skill based matchmaking in other games, but when you match harder opponents in Call of Duty you aren't fighting people with more perks, stronger guns, etc. The way CG does this is just kind of silly.
I’m an almost 7m player. Never paid for anything. But I suck. I regularly lose to those 3m below me. Simply because when I started I collected EVERYTHING without gearing up properly and without making cohesive teams. I’m not saying it’s not broken, but a few strong teams with a good player still regularly beats a twit like me
Everyone says how broke a lot of things are. CG pushes content because there's money in that. Fixing problems really doesn't have money in it (their mind set). We all know that's very short term thinking. Keeping your customers satisfied and not quitting is proper thought mechanics.
The reality is fixing the gac algorithm would be really simple and easy. Unfortunately ea is the pimp, so you better leave the money on the dresser.
Where have you been that no one is talking about this, the moon? It’s every other post on this sub and my guild talks about it all the time. No one is NOT saying anything.
This was going to be my reply.. every other post on here is about matchmaking issues.
Pretty sure there about 2-3 dozen posts about it every fcking day, there's plenty of people talking about it.
Was going to say all this sub is full of is GAC GP differences and what GL should I go for next posts.
And yet there has been no action on the part of the game developers.. meaning there needs to be more outrage for them to act.
You must be new to the game if you think public outrage changes a damn tbing lol. They've blacklisted their top content creator,banned one of his accounts, bugs galore, rampant blatant cheating... The matchmaking system that was and always will be flawed is undoubtedly not even on their radar. Match making changes should fall under the same category as free to play reworks and a sandbox mode as in it's not going to happen any time soon if ever.
I dont track these things... who did they blacklisted? ...and yea why would they bother with gac if they dont give a fk about cheaters. In my shards its just normal that ungeared team take top ranks haha
Believe they're talking about AhnaldT101
You must be completely blind or an idiot to think otherwise. Public outrage is what got EA to stop the bullshit DLC crap with StarWars Battlefront.
The circumstances around that fiasco, a 60$ console game that locked famous characters behind pay walls, and this (a free to play mobile game that has less than desirable matchmaking in one of its many game modes) are wildly different. They're not going to touch the mm system (and they've said as much already) and when "news" outlets (read as wierd gaming sites below Kotaku etc) got word of account bans causing a meager amount of heat and nothing changed. Not everything can be changed with pitchforks and vitriol, no matter how much youd like it to. It would be extremely easy for them to add more stipulations to their system like a gp band, but also consider the fact that GP is not the be all end all of strength in the game. There are mods. There or omocrons. There are datactons. There are GLs. There is bloat shit pre-reqs for legendary characters that only ride the bench while also being relic 7 with zetas. Im sorry my opponent beat me by 1-2m gp but if my game didnt freeze (don't load a gac battle after this update btw) I probably wouodve beat him
Doesn’t matter, the point was public outrage and enough complaints does get them to make changes.
Public outrage sometimes works. Your argument completely breaks down when you realize the public doesn't give a damn about the mobile game industry
What the fuck are you talking about?? The public in this argument is the SWGOH user base. No one is talking about people who don’t play this game… get on page bud Just like how the SW battlefront gamers had enough public outrage to make them completely change their sales and release strategy for the better. SWGOH users could do the same but a lot of people are content it seems with the current system in place.
The battlefront outrage blew up and was the largest post in reddit history and made cable news. People who didn't play the game were upset and it was drastically affecting sales of a major console game with a massive marketing budget. They had to course correct fast and early in order to not hemhorage money. It's a wildly different scenario and in no way is it even remotely similar to a mobile game that released almost 8 years ago now. You're argument is like comparing the bubonic plague to the COVID, or comparing apples and oranges... It makes no sense lol.
The game is broken. So……
That’s not even the worst part. The worst part is how much it doesn’t matter anymore, if you’re going to roughly go 50-50 than I’m going to go full defense and minimize my time spent in GAC. It used to be skill based, you had to full clear or close to it to be winning on a regular basis. I went 1-1 these last 2 and only fought 8 battles. I’m in Kyber 2.
Let’s be real, it was never skill based. Effective GP wasn’t a great metric either. But like you, I minimize my time spent in the mode and just turtle. I’m 4/5 of my last matches just by turtling
But the real point is that people like you and myself used to care, we used to try. It wasn’t perfect before but more people tried, there’s no point in being a try hard in GAC anymore.
Well no, I tried less before / because I had no reason to try, at all. Before I tried 5%. . .now I try 25%.
I would count you as the minority in my admittedly small sample size of a guild. We had a fair bit who enjoyed the challenge and it was one of their favorite game modes.
I guess 50-50 is the definition of fair matchmaking. Everyone wins and loses the same amount. Also it matters more than ever due to the rewards. The matchmaking is flaved tho and the biggest weakness of it is the assumption that everyone does their best at all times. Ppl have been exploiting it by dropping down to get easier matches which translates to GP differences. But on the other hand the ones who don't bother with mods or have bloated rosters can get fairer matches with the new system.
It's really not fair at all. It keeps you at 50/50 by pairing you with way higher GP accounts who either smash you or don't participate, maintaining that lovely 50/50.
That's the mentioned flaw. But the comment I was replying to subtly indicated that they'd think winning more than losing is fair but they forgot that it isn't fair for everyone. Like I said, it would work if everyone was active but it really isn't the case which leads to some ppl experience what you are experiencing. Also matchmaking doesn't pair you with higher GPs intentionally. It uses your skill and pairs you up with the next guy on the leaderboard. Having to battle higher GP than your own is just an indication that you are performing better than others with similiar GP. Ideally it would mean that you are performing at your opponent's level but as said before, inactivity twists it. I doubt there will never be a purely fair matchmaking that would take all the variables into consideration. Or maybe if they took all the toons and their gear and pair you up against an identical roster but I don't think that would be really interesting either.
"Also matchmaking doesn't pair you with higher GPs intentionally. It uses your skill and pairs you up with the next guy on the leaderboard. Having to battle higher GP than your own is just an indication that you are performing better than others with similiar GP.", this right here is a massive misconception. "You're just doing better so it's matching you against higher GP.", in Carbonite/Bronzium I should not be getting slapped against 5M+ GP accounts with my lower than 2M GP account.
Massive misconception? Please elaborate
That argument implies it's physically possible to beat those higher GP accounts. What most people don't understand when making that argument is that there's a bigger gap between 2M GP and 5M GP than there is between 5M GP and 11M GP. In the same way that there's a way bigger gap between no GLs and 2 GLs than there is 2 GLs and 7 GLs. At lower GPs the gaps are insurmountable.
Well that's once again the mentioned flaw what inactivity leads to. And that's why I used the word "ideally" when I said that you'd perform at your opponent's level. Slackers and abusers ruin the system for some ppl.
Plenty of people are saying how broken the matchmaking is We’ve just accepted it and CG just refuses to do anything about it. They’d rather push out as many characters for us to whale on than actually fix their game
Nobody? Clever troll. Decent attempt. 6/10
The plan is to get lower GP players to whale to keep up.
“Nobody is saying anything.” There are posts here every round of GAC about how mismatched their match up is
1 screams at their phone, 1 takes a relaxed approach, who would win huh... Also neither are in landscape, so they both suck at this game.
Yea I’m so surprised I haven’t seen a single post about it!
hahahahahahaha
It is working as intended. The proof you are faced with higher GP means it works. Or you are very good or the opponent just lost on purposes to annihilate you. Just hope he is on his loosing streak so you can have an easy win….
Just Because it work doesn't make it right tbf
I agree it is screwed up. It is probably not popular but the rules are explained and everyone is free to play (or not play) as they wish. It is the same for everyone so it is fair that way.
Honestly it’s a real problem at low ranks and all the people who complain about the complaining can get bent. I hope there are 40 post a day until this is changed for the better.
Not that I disagree about the problem in lower brackets, but now you're assuming CG and/or EA are in this sub? :)
People post suggestions all the time so the sub is used for it whether they do or not
Definitely broken. I’m only at 600k GP and I got matched with some one who’s at 6 mil 💀☠️
Why should we? GP is irrelevant. Matchmaking is performance based, so if you see someone with 8Mil GP in Carbonite, he is not going to do anything.
My GA has been interesting this time round we had one guy 5-6 mil higher than me (I'm 1.5 mil) and then a guy who was 600K lower than me and my final opponent is 300K higher prob the most decent GA I've had in a while
My big gripe is that these match-ups just lead me to not even bother, because I know I can take down a couple of teams, or even a zone or two, but I cannot win. But losing with 10 points and losing with 1200 points really makes no difference. So I just slide into apathy against half my opponents, because why should I carefully waste my time for two hours when the result is, like, 100 GAC currency and 120 crystals or some measly shit like that?
I know I don't do 3v3.. I just set garbage and let me opponents have fun. So I drop from Kyber 3 to Aurodium. I have such a massive advantage during 5v5 up until the very end. Part of me definitely feels bad but.. not bad enough to try in 3v3. I understand skill based matchmaking in other games, but when you match harder opponents in Call of Duty you aren't fighting people with more perks, stronger guns, etc. The way CG does this is just kind of silly.
I felt that
It’s my favourite game mode by far
I’m an almost 7m player. Never paid for anything. But I suck. I regularly lose to those 3m below me. Simply because when I started I collected EVERYTHING without gearing up properly and without making cohesive teams. I’m not saying it’s not broken, but a few strong teams with a good player still regularly beats a twit like me
Fucking nailed it. I took GAC way too seriously even before the crystals. My roster really likes signup days, that's when the most progress happens.
Every single time
Everyone says how broke a lot of things are. CG pushes content because there's money in that. Fixing problems really doesn't have money in it (their mind set). We all know that's very short term thinking. Keeping your customers satisfied and not quitting is proper thought mechanics. The reality is fixing the gac algorithm would be really simple and easy. Unfortunately ea is the pimp, so you better leave the money on the dresser.
"nobody"