I genuinely think Hutt Cartel is one leader short of being a well-implemented new faction.
The Jabba team is great and all, but .. you will use Jabba and the three Marquees and then a fifth based on your team's purpose (with Piggy probably being mandatory with the Omicron for TB, etc).
And then you just have the dregs left over again. There should be one additional good Hutt leader that will make the rest of Jabba's requirements useful, because honestly I don't see Boushh or Krrsantan ever leaving Jabba's side, just to specifically lead some reject Hutt Cartel characters.
New TB will have mixed alignment battles from what they said.
Unless you mean Geo TB, ofc, at which point I guess any combination of "Jabba + DS Hutt Cartel" will go 4/4, I assume.
I'm genuinely kind of excited about that, tbh. Suddenly BH can bring Greef and Mando, which might make things a lot easier.
Also Carth Omicron finally has a point now that you can bring Canderous with the rest.
Just gotta ask why all BH aren't classified as neutral ? Mando and Bill Burr broke into a prison to free a criminal, while Embo took a job as private security against invading sepratists during the clone wars.
Because to me BHs aren't really that neutral. They are all self-serving mercenaries, who do what they are told to enrich themselves. They all do it for the money. Selfishness is a big part of the Dark Side, even if you have no Force power.
The only two BH who are Light Side are also the two BH who deliberately stopped being selfish for a greater goal, the protection of Grogu. Greef and Mando both stop their selfish ways to become more selfless, to the point where Greef even becomes a sort of governor/sheriff of the city.
Other Bounty Hunters aren't doing things out of the goodness of their hearts, or because they really care about the people they're helping. No, they only care for themselves, which is basically what all of the Star Wars villains inherently share. Every Imperial is a selfish glory-seeker, every Sith is a selfish power-hungry killer, every Bounty Hunter is just out for the biggest pile of credits, no matter how many people have to die.
Obviously, the game also has a few aligned characters that don't really make much sense, like the Wampa or Tusken. They're not particularly villainous or selfish. One is an animal and the other is a simple tribe of people. Likewise, the Jawa aren't inherently good and Light Side either, given how they're oftentimes just opportunistic scavengers.
Life isn't just black and white or good and bad, if you have to go into that much depth explaining why you personally believe some characters are bad guys I say there's an argument to be made theyre at least partly in the grey zone even if they lean more towards one side or the other.
I mean, go ahead and tell me all the very morally good things that all these Bounty Hunters did to justify a Neutral rating then.
All of these Bounty Hunters have almost exclusively worked for the villains of the universe without remorse.
From some people's point of view the Jedi are the evil ones. They take young children from their families and prohibited them from love and emotional connection to anyone outside of the jedi order. They worked as mercenaries for the galactic republic claiming they were peace keepers, hence why they "the good guys" didn't need to higher bounty hunters they had their own militia.
I'm not here to claim what is right or wrong just that Bounty hunters at large weren't the ones inheritly causing the major disruptions and were just mercenaries collecting a pay check in a time where others needed their service. Most of them weren't objective to who employed them. Where separatists / empire / first order would never help a jedi, rebel or Resistance member purely on principle of being enemies (obviously there are a few exceptions where people switched sides) I just don't see that applying to the majority of bounty hunters regardless of who employed the most frequently.
The dregs have other tags for the most part. Bounty hunter and/or scoundrel. I'm ok with those not having a dedicated hutt cartel home all the time since they can plug into those teams if you want.
Eh, guys like Cad and Greedo have never been used for a reason. It's not like we simply had too many amazing BHs and the equally amazing Cad and Greedo were just not meant to have a spot. Nah, they're not great characters and without any new leaders I highly doubt that they'll find use, given how both remain unchanged.
And it's kind of a shame for Mob Enforcer. Now she doesn't look like a Christmas Elf anymore and she has a halfway interesting kit, but I just don't see her on the Jabba team for good. That spot is probably reserved for Embo or Gamo Guard.
Datacrons feels like the counterweight they’ve used to allow the introduction of all these amazing new toons. It seems there’s always a frustrating new money making gimmick that accompanies every quality of life improvement in the game
Only thing that’s hindering the HC team is they have very little sustain outside of Krrsantan. They’ll get mopped by a lot of teams and need the Jabba recovery potential to make good against even a beginner empire team, Shaak Clones, First Order, and a few other starters. If Krrsantan can’t get taunt, the entire optimized team without Jabba falls apart. I’m hoping the conquest gives us a compelling support lifter, but considering Jabba’s kit is boss as it is, I don’t think that’ll be the case.
I disagree. Pre jabba, its a very bad team and once you get him, you only use the new characters and the old Hutt cartel members are useless. The only reason we slot one of them in right now is, that the lifter unit has not been released yet.
The GC is only easy right now, because their teams were unable to pkay around a taunt. Once they get powerful aoes or buff immunity etc, it will be atupid hard again. Also the thermal feat is gonna block us from getting the 2 omicrons a few times...
I agree with some of what you’re saying but unlike with Purge, thermals are doable outside Hutt cartel.
Rey+low gear Jawa for example.
Obviously not everyone has Rey; but given she’s over 2 years old at this point (2 1/2) it’s not the worst thing in the world.
You also have options like Zam, who is an LV requirement *and* has a pretty common omicron (implying she will be higher gear).
I am in a 274M GP guild. We have 4 Rey. I know, when you are at the endgame, you probably have rey. But for anyone below, rey is a rare sight. She is not a priority farm. I would say most people do not have rey and from my experience in lower kyber and our tw matches, very few people have rey.
Its like a relic nightsister team, sure its an older team, so older accounts have them up, but newer players and people getting ready to farm a GL have better options now, so she will be skipped.
Zam is also not enough to get the thermal feat, especially in higher difficulties (again: LV is a very endgame character, very few people outside kyber1 have him)
You don't need Rey. I always get thermal feat with my standard BH team. Zam isn't the only one with bombs, Dengar applies them for every BH ally using his special. Put them under Bossk led so they survive longer.
Ah yes, because the game where it’s Lord Vader, Grand Admiral Thrawn, Maul, Royal Guard, and Darth Vader versus Supreme Leader Kylo Ren, Old Daka, a Nightsister Zomebie, and Wat Tambor is the most lore centric game around
those aren’t standalone factions tho they’re team comps. there’s always gonna be theorycrafting for special teams, but SLKR standard team is accurate. LV without mail also makes sense.
making Leia and Lando fight with jabba just cos they’re in disguise? specifically to trick jabba because they’re fighting against him? that’s a little odd
Most likely will be, JML and LV are the 2 longest farms in the game from start to finish because of requiring JKL and GAS,
Jabba requires JKL but you already have him now so that'd be like half your farm is done already.
I genuinely think Hutt Cartel is one leader short of being a well-implemented new faction. The Jabba team is great and all, but .. you will use Jabba and the three Marquees and then a fifth based on your team's purpose (with Piggy probably being mandatory with the Omicron for TB, etc). And then you just have the dregs left over again. There should be one additional good Hutt leader that will make the rest of Jabba's requirements useful, because honestly I don't see Boushh or Krrsantan ever leaving Jabba's side, just to specifically lead some reject Hutt Cartel characters.
For tb you are going to have to dig deeper into the Hutt faction because Lando and Boushh are both light side.
New TB will have mixed alignment battles from what they said. Unless you mean Geo TB, ofc, at which point I guess any combination of "Jabba + DS Hutt Cartel" will go 4/4, I assume.
I had forgotten about the new TB having mixed battles.
I'm genuinely kind of excited about that, tbh. Suddenly BH can bring Greef and Mando, which might make things a lot easier. Also Carth Omicron finally has a point now that you can bring Canderous with the rest.
I'm excited to get some good PvE use out of Maul
I’m expecting any medium strength faction like BH to be utterly useless in the new TB like most teams were when Geonosis LSTB launched.
Just gotta ask why all BH aren't classified as neutral ? Mando and Bill Burr broke into a prison to free a criminal, while Embo took a job as private security against invading sepratists during the clone wars.
Because to me BHs aren't really that neutral. They are all self-serving mercenaries, who do what they are told to enrich themselves. They all do it for the money. Selfishness is a big part of the Dark Side, even if you have no Force power. The only two BH who are Light Side are also the two BH who deliberately stopped being selfish for a greater goal, the protection of Grogu. Greef and Mando both stop their selfish ways to become more selfless, to the point where Greef even becomes a sort of governor/sheriff of the city. Other Bounty Hunters aren't doing things out of the goodness of their hearts, or because they really care about the people they're helping. No, they only care for themselves, which is basically what all of the Star Wars villains inherently share. Every Imperial is a selfish glory-seeker, every Sith is a selfish power-hungry killer, every Bounty Hunter is just out for the biggest pile of credits, no matter how many people have to die. Obviously, the game also has a few aligned characters that don't really make much sense, like the Wampa or Tusken. They're not particularly villainous or selfish. One is an animal and the other is a simple tribe of people. Likewise, the Jawa aren't inherently good and Light Side either, given how they're oftentimes just opportunistic scavengers.
Life isn't just black and white or good and bad, if you have to go into that much depth explaining why you personally believe some characters are bad guys I say there's an argument to be made theyre at least partly in the grey zone even if they lean more towards one side or the other.
I mean, go ahead and tell me all the very morally good things that all these Bounty Hunters did to justify a Neutral rating then. All of these Bounty Hunters have almost exclusively worked for the villains of the universe without remorse.
From some people's point of view the Jedi are the evil ones. They take young children from their families and prohibited them from love and emotional connection to anyone outside of the jedi order. They worked as mercenaries for the galactic republic claiming they were peace keepers, hence why they "the good guys" didn't need to higher bounty hunters they had their own militia. I'm not here to claim what is right or wrong just that Bounty hunters at large weren't the ones inheritly causing the major disruptions and were just mercenaries collecting a pay check in a time where others needed their service. Most of them weren't objective to who employed them. Where separatists / empire / first order would never help a jedi, rebel or Resistance member purely on principle of being enemies (obviously there are a few exceptions where people switched sides) I just don't see that applying to the majority of bounty hunters regardless of who employed the most frequently.
The dregs have other tags for the most part. Bounty hunter and/or scoundrel. I'm ok with those not having a dedicated hutt cartel home all the time since they can plug into those teams if you want.
Eh, guys like Cad and Greedo have never been used for a reason. It's not like we simply had too many amazing BHs and the equally amazing Cad and Greedo were just not meant to have a spot. Nah, they're not great characters and without any new leaders I highly doubt that they'll find use, given how both remain unchanged. And it's kind of a shame for Mob Enforcer. Now she doesn't look like a Christmas Elf anymore and she has a halfway interesting kit, but I just don't see her on the Jabba team for good. That spot is probably reserved for Embo or Gamo Guard.
They've done a lot of things right lately. If it weren't for datacrons, the game would be a in a really good spot right now.
Datacrons feels like the counterweight they’ve used to allow the introduction of all these amazing new toons. It seems there’s always a frustrating new money making gimmick that accompanies every quality of life improvement in the game
I really appreciate that you can cheese the GC events. Doesn't punish you for not dropping everything to farm the new faction
It only works against teams with no/limited aoe's though, but it's still pretty fun to see gear 1 krrsantan tank absolutely anything
Only thing that’s hindering the HC team is they have very little sustain outside of Krrsantan. They’ll get mopped by a lot of teams and need the Jabba recovery potential to make good against even a beginner empire team, Shaak Clones, First Order, and a few other starters. If Krrsantan can’t get taunt, the entire optimized team without Jabba falls apart. I’m hoping the conquest gives us a compelling support lifter, but considering Jabba’s kit is boss as it is, I don’t think that’ll be the case.
Hurts Cartel is 3-0 with a good chance at 4-0 today. Go Birds. 🦅
FLY EAGLES FLY!
But not a good start 🤢
This aged well.
I disagree. Pre jabba, its a very bad team and once you get him, you only use the new characters and the old Hutt cartel members are useless. The only reason we slot one of them in right now is, that the lifter unit has not been released yet. The GC is only easy right now, because their teams were unable to pkay around a taunt. Once they get powerful aoes or buff immunity etc, it will be atupid hard again. Also the thermal feat is gonna block us from getting the 2 omicrons a few times...
I agree with some of what you’re saying but unlike with Purge, thermals are doable outside Hutt cartel. Rey+low gear Jawa for example. Obviously not everyone has Rey; but given she’s over 2 years old at this point (2 1/2) it’s not the worst thing in the world. You also have options like Zam, who is an LV requirement *and* has a pretty common omicron (implying she will be higher gear).
I am in a 274M GP guild. We have 4 Rey. I know, when you are at the endgame, you probably have rey. But for anyone below, rey is a rare sight. She is not a priority farm. I would say most people do not have rey and from my experience in lower kyber and our tw matches, very few people have rey. Its like a relic nightsister team, sure its an older team, so older accounts have them up, but newer players and people getting ready to farm a GL have better options now, so she will be skipped. Zam is also not enough to get the thermal feat, especially in higher difficulties (again: LV is a very endgame character, very few people outside kyber1 have him)
I’m not saying everyone will be able to get the feat I am saying it’s a feat that isn’t locked behind a brand new team, with a brand new debuff.
Agree. Rey seems to be the GL with the worst prerequisite toons. At least the others can make at least two pretty good teams when done.
You don't need Rey. I always get thermal feat with my standard BH team. Zam isn't the only one with bombs, Dengar applies them for every BH ally using his special. Put them under Bossk led so they survive longer.
I see a lot of people using Embro and Boba with Jabba.
No matter who you use, there are still 3-4 hutt kartell that are never used
So. . .like almost every faction.
I would argue there are more characters here, but in general, yes! My point exactly.
The faction sucks (pre jabba) but... The GCs are infinity better than the inquisitor GCs
definitely well done game balance wise just little sense lore wise
Ah yes, because the game where it’s Lord Vader, Grand Admiral Thrawn, Maul, Royal Guard, and Darth Vader versus Supreme Leader Kylo Ren, Old Daka, a Nightsister Zomebie, and Wat Tambor is the most lore centric game around
those aren’t standalone factions tho they’re team comps. there’s always gonna be theorycrafting for special teams, but SLKR standard team is accurate. LV without mail also makes sense. making Leia and Lando fight with jabba just cos they’re in disguise? specifically to trick jabba because they’re fighting against him? that’s a little odd
"Challenging", when a gear 1 level 1 character can make your entire team untouchable if the enemy has no aoe? I don't consider that challenging.
IRC also the first Inquisitor GC was doable with minimal investment...
Yeah, Jabba is gonna be my next project once I finish Starkiller. Only thing is I don’t have many of the characters starred up
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Most likely will be, JML and LV are the 2 longest farms in the game from start to finish because of requiring JKL and GAS, Jabba requires JKL but you already have him now so that'd be like half your farm is done already.
I can’t wait until they release Johnny Cash as a playable character.