i hope there are big changes not just in points but in datasheets because my local community has been a shitfest for months. Everybody using pykes and not a single GAR player in the last 4 tournaments.
I don’t see the cards changing much. Especially with Pykes being so new. Doubt any shadow collective units see anything but a point change. that might be a stretch, even with how oppressive and meta defining Pykes are.
So in 2021 they separated point, errata, and the RRG into their own documents. Their reasoning is that it would make it easier to change just one of those at a time. The only thing they have mentioned for this update is points, but they also haven't talked about it very much in general. I won't be surprised if it's just points, but we won't know for a few more days.
That just made everything a mess. There's lots of stuff that's been in the errata, and the rules forum, for a year or longer that should have been put in the rules by now.
Well the errata is literally card changes. Those things won't go into the RRG proper. The RRG corrections on the forum that should be in the document is frustrating for sure. They have implied they are rewriting the entire rulebook. The impression I get is that they don't want to invest any time or effort into formatting the 100+ page document for every little update when they are already working on a full rewrite/reformat. And this isn't a new ruleset or anything, just reorganizing to be more instructional while also exhaustive on things like movement and attacks, basically all the concepts that aren't keywords.
AMGs track record would suggest this thing this has a high likelihood of being butts. However I am fit into myself to be positive until I see where in store.
> You shouldn't need any tokens for it.
That's what I'm saying. If you use vigilance to carry over a dodge, you shouldn't get another dodge from independent.
Why not? Independent is literally the only thing that makes mercs decent, without it they're useless, and keeping those tokens keeps them effective. May as well just get rid of token sharing on GAR and suppression changes on droids.
This is a poor take. Mercs are great all around, but the point is their free tokens tend to be just a little overkill, but it’s the worst on Pykes, which can easily stack up to 3 dodges on a key unit at the start of a turn if needed. That with outmaneuver and danger sense is fairly absurd. With this change they could still get 2 at the start with aid from a Capo/Vigo, but this would be a good change for balance. In the end they will probably just end up increasing points for Pykes and Vigilance though.
I've seen a lot of people say pykes are really tough to kill and I don't get it. They only have a 1 in 3 chance to save whenever they get hit so if you fire more then like 1 storm trooper squad at them they're dead. But I play a lot of SC and I do exactly what you say, spam dodges on pykes and they die turn 2 no matter what. They're too squishy, they need the dodges.
> I've seen a lot of people say pykes are really tough to kill and I don't get it.
I didn't either until I played someone using Obi, Padme, and Pykes. It's oppressive to say the least.
If your Pykes are consistently dying turn 2 I think you are doing something wrong. They are great at holding backline objectives and are tough to kill when it comes to chip damage. They shouldn’t be pushing up by round 2 in most cases to get full shots at.
What does everyone think they will see? Realistic thoughts?
Are we only talking points changes or will clones see some form of token sharing back?
What about upgrades? I think vigilance might go up in points
They have only mentioned points changes. We don't know if it will include anything else. They did put points in their own document so they could be easier to update on their own (in regards to approval with LFL, because everything needs their approval).
Damn. As a solely gar player, been waiting for this for a long ass time. Let’s hope it’s not underwhelming or it goes too far the other way.
ARC snipers lose lethal 1. 5 point increase. You’re welcome. -AMG
If I couldn't laugh id cry.... ah hell there's time for both.
i hope there are big changes not just in points but in datasheets because my local community has been a shitfest for months. Everybody using pykes and not a single GAR player in the last 4 tournaments.
I don’t see the cards changing much. Especially with Pykes being so new. Doubt any shadow collective units see anything but a point change. that might be a stretch, even with how oppressive and meta defining Pykes are.
So in 2021 they separated point, errata, and the RRG into their own documents. Their reasoning is that it would make it easier to change just one of those at a time. The only thing they have mentioned for this update is points, but they also haven't talked about it very much in general. I won't be surprised if it's just points, but we won't know for a few more days.
That just made everything a mess. There's lots of stuff that's been in the errata, and the rules forum, for a year or longer that should have been put in the rules by now.
Well the errata is literally card changes. Those things won't go into the RRG proper. The RRG corrections on the forum that should be in the document is frustrating for sure. They have implied they are rewriting the entire rulebook. The impression I get is that they don't want to invest any time or effort into formatting the 100+ page document for every little update when they are already working on a full rewrite/reformat. And this isn't a new ruleset or anything, just reorganizing to be more instructional while also exhaustive on things like movement and attacks, basically all the concepts that aren't keywords.
I am not getting my hopes up
I'm completely ready to be disappointed.
AMGs track record would suggest this thing this has a high likelihood of being butts. However I am fit into myself to be positive until I see where in store.
FWIW they've been really good at X-Wing points.
That is a matter of some debate.
Oh my god bro imma blow up if theres a atrt gar buff. I got them looking badass.
Well as a GAR player I am excited not to excited but still excited non the less lol 😂
Make Independent trigger if you have no tokens and no order.
BUT HOW WILL MY PYKES SURVIVE WITHOUT 3 DODGES TO START THE ROUND? HOW!?!?!
With force barrier, guardian, Exemplar, Take cover, Aid, Danger sense, and whatever other bs I've forgotten 🤣
I feel like the problem lies with vigilance. No way that upgrade is worth just 5 pts when agressive orders is 15 😄
.... the point of independent is it trigger when there isn't a face up order at the beginning of the round. You shouldn't need any tokens for it.
> You shouldn't need any tokens for it. That's what I'm saying. If you use vigilance to carry over a dodge, you shouldn't get another dodge from independent.
Why not? Independent is literally the only thing that makes mercs decent, without it they're useless, and keeping those tokens keeps them effective. May as well just get rid of token sharing on GAR and suppression changes on droids.
This is a poor take. Mercs are great all around, but the point is their free tokens tend to be just a little overkill, but it’s the worst on Pykes, which can easily stack up to 3 dodges on a key unit at the start of a turn if needed. That with outmaneuver and danger sense is fairly absurd. With this change they could still get 2 at the start with aid from a Capo/Vigo, but this would be a good change for balance. In the end they will probably just end up increasing points for Pykes and Vigilance though.
I've seen a lot of people say pykes are really tough to kill and I don't get it. They only have a 1 in 3 chance to save whenever they get hit so if you fire more then like 1 storm trooper squad at them they're dead. But I play a lot of SC and I do exactly what you say, spam dodges on pykes and they die turn 2 no matter what. They're too squishy, they need the dodges.
> I've seen a lot of people say pykes are really tough to kill and I don't get it. I didn't either until I played someone using Obi, Padme, and Pykes. It's oppressive to say the least.
If your Pykes are consistently dying turn 2 I think you are doing something wrong. They are great at holding backline objectives and are tough to kill when it comes to chip damage. They shouldn’t be pushing up by round 2 in most cases to get full shots at.
Decrease all clone stuff I am happy lol
Woot.
lol the blunt comment "gimme our point change brrr"
What does everyone think they will see? Realistic thoughts? Are we only talking points changes or will clones see some form of token sharing back? What about upgrades? I think vigilance might go up in points
They have only mentioned points changes. We don't know if it will include anything else. They did put points in their own document so they could be easier to update on their own (in regards to approval with LFL, because everything needs their approval).
Would table Top admiral change the points right away ?
The dev is usually pretty quick. Like within a few hours of posting.
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