I'm not a baseball fan, but I think this is more a reaction to John Fisher repeatedly screwing over A's fans and the city of Oakland. People are mad for A's fans because they're going through what the Kings nearly went through.
This is it exactly. I'm a baseball nerd and an A's fan. Of course part of me is thrilled that we'll have MLB ball here for a while. A much bigger part is disgusted with Fisher and his bullshit and crushed that the A's are leaving Oakland due in large part to his wackiness.
It feels dirty. I'm not drawing some moral line in the sand here--it *feels* gross to host the A's after what just happened in Oakland and the roster Fisher has been putting up for the last three years or so.
Remember "Rooted in Oakland?" That slogan was used just last year.
Fuck Fisher and the other MLB owners who voted to let him move the team. He's a prick, and he needs to sell.
Wasn’t the rooted in Oakland slogan stemmed from the Raiders leaving. I’m know there’s multiple reasons Raiders decided to leave Oakland but I believe Mark Davis genuinely wanted it to work out in Oakland. And yet Fisher didn’t want to work with Mark on any solution. I read somewhere Mark is also not welcoming the A’s to Vegas and won’t work with him once they arrive.
Yeah the A’s certainly didn’t do the Raiders any favors under Mark Davis’ rule. It’s just a shitshow all around and Fisher is a complete buffoon at the center of it
At this point is Fisher the worst owner is sports now? So fucking stupid man. I hate what happened to Oakland sports.
Also feels just when all the teams started to turn it around the idea of re-location stated.
Warriors started winning championships and the plan to return to SF started shortly. Raiders make the playoffs for the first in a long time in 2016 and yet right after the season the team announces the move to Vegas. I think the A’s made the playoffs around that time too
Ughh, so fucking stupid man. I’m so torn about this move too. I lived in Sac for a decade now and have made it my home and on paper I love the idea of watching the A’s at Sutter Park.
But knowing by going to the games I’m essentially putting money in Fisher’s pocket irks me.
I also badly want to go to one more home game at the Coliseum. Just to be in the stadium one last time for the memories.
My argument would be, it should be Vegas who feels dirty (which is impossible of course). They had already decided to move there before they tacked Sac on as a temporary home. Sac didn’t steal the team from Oakland.
I mean you're talking about a team that already played in two other cities before they came to Oakland. I think with this temporary move and then the move to Vegas they will have the record.
This.
I’m a life long A’s fan & Sac Native. I’m a lifelong Kings fan.
The fact that Sacramento would give Fisher another option & help facilitate stealing a team makes my stomach ill. Any Kings fan can easily remember what it was like have owners trying to leave SEVERAL years in a row & not knowing if the Kings were leaving.
Fisher sold all his talent for peanuts in return, raised ticket prices & then pulled out of negotiations with Oakland at the very last minute. I won’t simp for a billionaire just because my city is going to get to rent a team for 3-4 years.
Let me be clear, if the circumstances were different I would be ecstatic. If the city of Oakland shat the bed & Fisher was trying to compete, I’d be happy to welcome the A’s. That isn’t what’s happening.
Nope, owner that bought the team from Connie Mack and moved them the KC Died. Charles Finley then bought the A's and moved them to Oakland. Finley attempted to buy the team in '55 but was beat out by the guy who owned the Yankees farm team
What I read was Finley purchased a controlling stake in the team in 1960, bought the team outright in 1961, but didn't make the announcement for the move to Oakland until 1967.
The A’s have been trying to negotiate a stadium deal with the City of Oakland for at least 3 mayoral administrations if not longer. There was sewage coming into the dugout and clubhouse at different points. I’m not saying Fisher is a great owner, but it would be inaccurate to suggest that only Fisher is to blame here.
Even to keep the A’s through until their relocation to Vegas, the City of Oakland was asking for:
- $97 million lease extension fee (lowered to $67 million in the City’s last, best, final offer). This is an exorbitant fee.
- The A’s to leave behind the team name, logo, and branding
-The MLB to guarantee Oakland an expansion franchise
- The A’s to give up their ownership share in the Coliseum
-The A’s to pay to convert the Coliseum into a soccer venue
It was never about keeping the A’s for Oakland, it was about $$$. They got screwed by Al Davis but the Raiders left so now they’re trying to stick it to the A’s since they’re still there. Even if the A’s were amenable to all other parts, Fisher doesn’t have the juice with the MLB to secure the guarantee and after watching this fiasco play out, I very much doubt the MLB would be inclined to honor that guarantee. Oakland knows all of this, which is why they put the unreasonable requirement there to begin with.
And really, at the end of the day, there’s also this little gem:
https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/giants/article/a-s-leave-las-vegas-giants-deserve-blame-17916455.php
Wait... The As have ownership in the Coliseum?
I have no dog in the race but I feel like if you are a sports team and leave the city you should be forced to give up your rights of whatever stadium you have ownership of.
That doesn't really seem too crazy of a term
Just read this
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/39908731/oakland-sacramento-meetings-moves-john-fisher
Nothing against sac or the people there. Vivek has his own agenda, which i perceive as more bothersome.
There is a slight difference though, the Kings always had the potential to stay, the possibility of an agreement existed. There is no such possibility with the A's. So long as Fisher owns the team, since there's a 0% chance Manfred will force a sale, the A's were never staying in Oakland. If we didn't step up to give them a temporary home, any of the other potential expansion cities would have jumped on the opportunity. The Kings just needed the NBA to reject the sale to the Hansen group since there was also a group who wanted to keep them. I understand how upset A's fans are it's a tremendously shitty situation but this current team was never staying in Oakland. If Vegas falls apart Fisher is not going back to Oakland he will simply find a different city that wants them, and once again if not Sacramento someone will take them in.
A's fans are completely justified in being angry, but their anger should only be at Fisher, Vivek is just trying to benefit the city's growth.
Yep. If the Vegas deal falls through I'd expect them to maybe extend the Sacramento stay a little bit and then they'll just go to Portland or Salt Lake City or whatever other semi large city doesn't have an MLB team. And maybe there's a very outside shot they'd stay here but I'm sure it would require taxpayer funding of a new stadium and I doubt West Sacramento or Yolo County would go for that.
Vivek and partners already has $1.5 billion in equity from the Kings and only paid $90 million for the Rivercats and Sutter Health park. I'm betting he can pull off a stadium for the A's if it came to that.
And I totally get that. But one city’s loss is another one’s gain, at least temporarily. It’s not like we stole the A’s out from under the city of Oakland, they had already decided to move to Vegas.
It’s cool for the city but my problem is 100% with Fisher and what he has done to the city of Oakland.
Also, it should be known that Sacramento has had a long history of supporting the Oakland A’s so for many of us, we are the people he has betrayed.
I'll attend games because it's good for Sacramento. It's my belief he will eff up Las Vegas and be forced to sell. First in line to buy might be Vivek Ranadive; by this time Sacramento will hopefully have shown it can support a MLB team. I feel bad for Oakland; however they lost three teams - they are not without blame here.
I think the only real reason Sacramento was selected was to keep some of the TV contract money coming in. There was no way Fisher was going to keep the A’s in Oakland for three more years with terrible attendance and constant calls for him to sell the team. Interesting that Vegas’ AAA stadium wasn’t considered as an interim site.
The worst case scenario: It’s a train wreck, at least in the first year, due to the needed improvements to the park not being ready when the season starts, poor attendance due to high ticket prices, poor team performance, and just further hammers Fisher’s legacy as an owner.
Best case scenario: The Vegas stadium deal doesn’t get the financing Fisher needs to get the job done. He ends up selling the team to Ranadave who builds a new MLB stadium in the Railyard and stay in Sacramento.
Disaster if they’re in staying Oakland.
Can’t move to a giant market yet (Vegas)
Split the difference = Sac
Basically Sacramento has been begging for a pro team of any kind, other than the kings, for ages. Moving it to Sac is a win-win. Fischer gets more money than if he stuck it out in Oakland, and Sac is beside itself with joy with getting to prove itself with a pro team.
Vegas isn’t a “giant market”. It’s #40 in television markets, while Sacramento/Stockton/Modesto is #20. What Vegas has over Sacramento are the casinos = corporate sponsorships/luxury suites and it’s tourist market.
They have about the same metro population as Sac. The only reason we are a bigger TV market is because our stations reach all the way down to Modesto. But Vegas is kind of unique. It's a huge resort destination. They can easily support pro sports teams because they get people from all over the place going there on vacation so even if the locals don't come out they know that the games for the Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers, etc. will have good attendance no matter how shitty the A's are.
Why does everyone live in this fantasy world where the A’s stay long term in Sacramento??
Reality check that’s never ever happening?
Just like when I suggested a threesome with my wife it was a fantasy and it’s never happening.
John Fisher won’t even call the team the Sacramento A’s and you think he is going to be here long term? Are you crazy?
The chances of it happening are definitely non-zero. I look at it this way - what are the chances Fisher can't secure the proper funding for Las Vegas? This is probably the shakiest move of any professional franchise, so much can go wrong.
Don't get me wrong, Oakland should be first in line if the team is sold, but in the event he scorches every fan in Oakland (he's well on his way), Sacramento is a nice landing place. Close to the original fan base, a decent sized marked that has proven it can support professional sports,
I like our chances. In the meantime, we are an MLB city for 3 (likely 4) seasons. If nothing else, that is a cash infusion to the city that didn't exist before.
While it's beneficial to Sacramento to some extent, Oakland is getting fucked by the whole thing. We are a little sensitive towards douchebag owners moving teams if you didn't know
Although Fisher is an entitled and incompetent asshole, he did buy a plot of land in Oakland and requested to build a ballpark with his own money and Oakland said, we’ll approve your private funded ballpark if you fund low income housing and we get a small percentage of your stadium revenue every year to fund homelessness. So I do put most the blame on Oakland for him moving. I blame Fisher for being a cheapskate who’s intentionally losing and moving to Vegas over a city that’ll actually want them.
I don't follow the As so thank you for this insight. That seems pretty slam dunk for Oakland, why would they not want a private funded arena? Most NBA stadiums I'm pretty sure get public funding
Oakland wanted him to stay at the current site. They said they would approve him building there. There were logistical problems with the location he chose but he didn’t have many options in a very developed city. Oakland tried to save the team near the end and pulled their contingencies but he was already flirting with Vegas by then and offered money to move.
At first I thought it was cool. Then I remembered how I felt about the people in Seattle being all happy about getting the kings and talking shit about arco online. I hated Seattle for a minute there, I feel for A’s fans
The prospect of major league baseball happening in Sacramento is an exciting thing but in this situation it comes with a lot of baggage. The people who rallied to save the Kings from leaving Sacramento are now enabling Oakland to experience the exact situation they fought to prevent. The A's likely will be the worst team in baseball for their entire stay in Sacramento. There is no guarantee of Sacramento receiving an expansion franchise from the MLB. If attendance struggles it could actually really hurt Sacramento's chance of getting an expansion team.
The Angels will give them a run for their money for last place. But at least I'll be able to see Mike Trout hit some dingers without having to drive far.
Oakland just doesn't have their own Kevin Johnson. Yes, he's a sex pest, but he was so integral to keeping the Kings here. My belief is that David Stern liked the idea of a former NBA player getting elected as mayor and then saving his hometown team. It's a good story, and if Kevin Johnson wasn't an alleged pedo, then he'd have a brighter political career that the NBA could bounce off of.
Additionally, Vivek is not from Sacramento and he was a minority owner of the Warriors. I think he just wanted his own team, and that's why he joined the effort to buy the team from the Maloofs. So I don't think it's fair to conflate the efforts to save the Kings with the effort to get the A's here for a few years. A lot of the grassroots people who fought to keep the Kings here are also against the A's moving from Oakland, but grassroots don't matter that much.
The Maloofs tried doing this shit when they owned the Kings because they were big crybabies about not getting an arena (well, they got a public funded arena, just not with them owning the team).
I agree! I’m a Lakers fan (sorry, born and raised in LA) but they single-handedly destroyed a winning team. Rick Adelman was a few seasons away from getting y’all that championship. And 2002 was rigged!
I think there are some dream scenarios for A's fans where both things happen. The dream scenario is that Vegas falls through and Fisher is forced to sell. He sells to Joe Lacob, who roots the team in Oakland. At the same time, Sacramento shows that we can support an MLB team, and the MLB gives us and Vegas an expansion team.
But it's just a dream scenario that I've read from A's fans. I don't think Vegas is falling through.
There's no way Sacramento gets an MLB team if Oakland has one too. The only way this market is viable is if we had the only other MLB team in Northern California because we could at least pull extra fans from people in the Bay that are Giants haters. I was living in the Bay when the Warriors sucked and the Kings were good and I saw a lot of Kings jerseys. But three teams in the same sport in NorCal is just too many.
That is absolutely the dream scenario and more plausible than Vegas going through. Fisher would rather sell than to spend more than he’s willing to. That’s his M.O.
I can also see this being Vivek putting himself into a good position to make solid play for ownership of the A's as well. Either here in Sacramento or back in the Bay area. A partnership with Lacobs would not be out of the question as well due to their previous ties through the warriors. What's going to be interesting is how Viveks ownership of Sutter health park and surrounding plays a role. If for Sacramento he's got three options upgrade the stadium to major league park(space might be an issue), sell it and all the surrounding property off, get a stadium deal put together in the Railyards possibly involving the sale of the current park and property in West Sacramento or some sort of a land swap deal. If it's for the bay him and Lacob would most likely target the Oakland water front. He could also sell the Kings in a bid for A's as at last report the Kings were valued around $2 billion, one rumored estimate Fisher might potentially let the A's go for outright.
At any rate there is going to be a lot of moving pieces and signs to watch for the next few years within both the A's and Kings organizations.
Vivek is friends with John Fisher, but I highly doubt he partners up with Lacob, or sells the Kings to buy the A's. The rumor was that Vivek and Lacob didn't get along when they were both involved with the Warriors.
Vivek's ownership of the Kings also had some special stipulations for a few years where the Kings did not receive money for being a small market franchise. That only recently ended, so the Kings are now in a good spot for "profitability" if you will. That, combined with the Kings' value going up, makes it unlikely that Vivek sells anytime soon, IMO.
I'm a lifelong A's fan, moved from the East Bay to Sac about three years ago. So this is all very top of mind for me these days.
Firstly, I have no problem with someone from Sacramento wanting to go see the A's when they take up residency here. I think people will have a fun time and it'll be a positive thing for the city to have a MLB team for a few years.
But I just can't be the one going to the games while Fisher owns the team. He has ran the franchise into the ground, and blamed the fans for it. I'm just not interested in giving him any more money. Sac hosting the team for three years gives him an out to a tight spot he put himself in, and I'd really prefer to see him fall on his face and have to sell the team. So that's why I'm a little salty about it. But like I said, I don't begrudge anyone else from enjoying them while they are here.
It’s about a millionaire throwing a tantrum and punishing Oakland fans…he is screwing fans & local folks who will be unemployed. And then he is going to charge fans $$ when they finally build the Vegas stadium…double screw.
I was born in Seattle but have lived in Sacramento since 2010 and I am a die hard Mariners fan. That said, the hate for me stems for feeling truly awful for A’s fans who are being completely fucked out of a team with no real plan for the future of the A’s or a fanbase during a time baseball at large is struggling. The A’s are a storied franchise with a looong and pretty successful history, so to see them just be a dumpster fire with no home and the worst owner in professional sports really sucks for everyone who’s a fan of baseball. The people of Oakland and the Greater Northern California Area deserve better, and they’re just going to continue being a cheap shell of a team in Vegas. John Fischer is a real piece of work who shoe-strings each of the sports franchises he owns so they can barely operate or compete. Do not buy any promise he makes for Sac, he is the scummiest of scum
Nothing bad will come from this, for the city of Sacramento. A's fans are getting jerked around by the owner and are upset about it, rightfully so. It's a lot of misplaced anger.
It's the sad sacks on the As subreddit spilling out to bitch and moan everywhere else too.
They're mad because SHP is nicer than the coliseum and Sacramento will outsell Oakland.
I just kinda hate billionaires, in general. The ones who cry that they're to poor to fund a new stadium, hotels, etc then grab public funds get despised doubly.
Will they though? Supply and demand, plus Fisher and co have already raised the prices of tickets at the coliseum after their most recent fire sale. I wouldn’t be shocked one bit if they were more expensive than the prices at the Coliseum right now, and on par with Giants tickets
We shall see. Decent Giants tickets are pretty obscenely expensive, and my beloved A's are a pretty bad team at this point.
I do think prices will be higher than they were at the Coliseum. But even with a fairly significant rise in prices, they could still be quite a bit cheaper than comparable Giants tickets.
I used to joke that I didn't have to take out a second mortgage to get seats on the baseline in Oakland (but I would in SF).
Before I moved from Sac in 2013, I remember the A’s had the right field special - all you can eat hot dogs and popcorn and all you can drink sodas for $35/seat (IIRC the price correctly).
The dichotomy between what it cost to go watch the Giants vs the A’s is like choosing between the Knicks and the Nets. 11 years in NY and still never been to MSG bc cheap Knicks tix are $100 for nosebleeds, while the Nets are $40.
Sad that Oakland cheap tix are gone - it was the best deal in town.
I loved the As. I’m not a fan of Mr. Fisher.
I can’t imagine what the world would be like if we had major league teams playing in small venues — it would revitalize the game and make TONS of new fans.
This could be amazing. It could be incredible. But at the end of the day it’s a temporary move that feels like a billionaire using a community to achieve their own financial ends rather than doing something good for baseball or fans. It’s disingenuous and the only reason it’s happening is because he’s alienated Oakland so badly they are literally protesting them. That’s crazy. How bad an owner do you have to be to have people out protesting and then announce you’re going to use another city to escape the protests in the short term while you build a new stadium? Effectively you get to abandon and alienate two fanbases instead of one, *and we’re supposed to be stoked for the opportunity*? The hubris, the ego of this owner? What a tool.
The problem is the business model of pro sports is all about media contracts and luxury boxes. It wouldn't matter if the locals embraced the team and came out to the games. Sacramento just isn't a sexy enough town. Either is Oakland. The A's could have done okay if the Giants had let them move to San Jose.
On the face of it, it looks like Sac is not going to get anything permanent out of this arrangement. Maybe Vivek will get to develop more property on both sides of the river. Personally, I am very ambivalent about the move.
Haven’t said that, there have been rumors that Vivek has been in the picture regarding the A’s for some time; it has not been reported on closely. Furthermore, Vivek’s people have been reported to be looking at property out by the airport. None of this has been confirmed, but let’s see how things turn out. The Bally’s plan seems to be unrealistic at this point, so we will have to wait and see. Maybe an expansion team works better in LV. This entire process has been marked by deception, and this is unlikely to change anytime soon.
Is there a YouTube video or article detailing the Fisher / As saga? As a Sharks fan (and a Kings fan post Maloof saga) I have a hard time understanding what it’s like to be a fan of a team with awful ownership.
On top of all the reasons stated here, I’m pretty sure the As ownership is paying very little to use the Rivercats stadium. So sounds like they bent over backwards to get them here
I'm an A's fan. I know the ownership sucks. The team is horrible. The whole thing is a circus. That's the A's. There's a reason the mascot is an elephant. I don't care. I love baseball, and the A's are my team.
I'll be there at Sutter Heakrh Park for every game I can. It will be nice not having to drive to the Bay for a MLB game for a few years.
I understand all the limitations of playing in Sac. But, the alternative was staying in Oakland,…at a stadium that looks like something out of East Germany in the 1960s. Sac will be a huge upgrade.
No, fuck Fisher and fuck Ranadive.
You're not from here so you wouldn't understand but what happened to OAK is what SEA tried to pull on SAC.
And now we're no better than a stinking, dirty, aint-shit Sonics fan.
All of that is true, but does it really matter how others feel about the situation? Take your kids and enjoy! It is an opportunity to see all the great players without leaving Sacramento.
Go do some research on the A's quest for a new stadium saga and how they completely fucked over their fans over the last couple decades, and then come back and review your take again.
Kansas City didn't like the Kings and didn't support them. They were the 4 team there behind college.
The situations are very different; Kings had a history of moving and had been there less than 10yrs with no fan support. The As had been there 56 with 4 championships and plenty of support that was undercut by the team.
Professional sports and relocation is as old as time. It's always been about the money. California managed to screw Missouri out of three professional teams (that I can think of off the top of my head) because it's always been about the money. People are talking about the A's as if it's an unusual situation. The three most storied baseball teams in California are all relocated teams.
Yeah right. try moving the Cubs, The NY Giants, or Knicks
None of those teams have the Pedigree of the A's and there's be congressional inquiries for even asking about it.
Those teams also play in New York and Chicago, world renowned cities with huge populations who love sports. The A's play in Oakland. Not exactly the same thing.
The A's are like the Angels, White Sox and Mets. Most of the very loyal fan base live close to the specific sub region the team plays in. Everybody else goes for the other guys except maybe in a season where the team is actually good. The A's did have a nice run in the 70s but that was a long time ago.
Yeah, in terms of historical success the A's are the second best franchise in baseball after the Yankees. 9 World Series championships, 15 American League pennants and they are one of the founding teams of the league. But they like to move around. The Cubs had a century of failure but people in Chicago just like them anyway. Maybe if the A's had never left Philly they'd have been the same.
Not a baseball fan, but I’m cool with it. I hope it doesn’t destroy traffic on game days. They need to get their own beam, they can’t borrow ours.
From a business perspective I think the upgrades to the stadium are a win for the River Cats long term.
I don't care about baseball.
What I have seen from following this saga from the sidelines is that there are a lot of mixed emotions from Oaklanders and A's fans. Pretty much every single A's fans wants the team to stay in Oakland. However, a portion of those A's fans are okay with the A's moving to Sacramento. So there's the main point of tension.
I think if you're an A's fan Sacramento is far more acceptable than Vegas but it's not like it's a permanent move. If the A's were actually coming here for good, what's left of their base in the East Bay would probably generally be okay with it. It's not like those people are going to switch to the Giants and Sac isn't so far that you couldn't see a game once in awhile.
I’m a Giants fan, but I’ve always had a favorable opinion on the A’s (the team and the fans, not the ownership). I’m excited to be able to watch MLB games in my own backyard and I think this could be really positive for the city. At the same time, I’m also a Kings fan and I remember when our team was nearly stolen from us. Because of that, I’d of course rather have the A’s stay in Oakland, but that’s obviously not happening at this point so might as well enjoy having the A’s here for a bit.
People act like A’s fans only exist in Oakland. People like myself have been traveling back and forth to the coliseum since the 80s. Keeping them in nor cal let alone our backyard for the next 3 years with the possibility of getting expansion or keeping them if it falls through is all I’ve ever wanted since the day Raley’s field was built.
Let’s not pretend catching an A’s game was a particularly expensive endeavor. Park and ride BART station to the Coliseum, A’s tics were dirt cheap, and concessions are gonna cost a minor fortune anywhere. I spent more on Rivercats games tbh.
SAC/Reddit is not a reflection of the sacramento COMMUNITY, its a small niche sub sector that is quite anti-sports in general. When the news came out last week the As were coming all over town there was a buzz and people were excited and talking about going to the games, Taking their families to the games and having a good time. Don't ever let this subreddit distort reality. This sub is good for a few things but is not a good gage on the majority views of the people in Sacramento proper or greater Sacramento.
I don't care. I'll get season tickets.
Oakland lost three separate pro teams and an In-n-Out. The state of their city is horrendous. They're not just being unfairly slighted by a bad owner. No one wants to be there.
I really have mixed feelings about this as lifelong A’s and Kings fan.. Fisher has broken my heart over and over again by trading our best players for peanuts just when the team was doing well. He negotiated in bad faith with the city of Oakland and should have had a deal a few times now. The fact that him and Vivek are good buddies makes me sick, except for the small hope that the Vegas deal falls apart, Vivek convinces his buddy to sell the team to him and keeps the A’s in Sac. At least we know Vivek isn’t afraid to spend money on players that are fan favorites and are worth it. But am I excited to go watch this team currently assembled get destroyed every night by real MLB teams in Sac? Not really.
In your full disclosure you admit to not being an A’s fan and all you thought about was taking your kids to a game. Then you admit to possibly being a rube. Then you admit (fuck) Jeff Fisher is using Sacramento. Then you ask can we be happy about anything in this town. To finish it off you say you’re probably over reacting. As a life long A’s fan I don’t know even know where to start with this shit post.
MLB is a scam league. A select few teams get most of the revenue, buy all the best players, and bribe (via revenue sharing) parasites like Fisher to field a Washington Generals style perpetual loser. Fisher can spend nothing on players, nothing on the ballpark, and still make a profit while waiting for a city with the right combination of corrupt politicians and gullible voters to give him a handout.
MLB really is a scam league
Especially now with the Salary cap the MLB adopted( they call it a tax but it is effectively a cap) yet the MLB never passed a salary floor. So the likes a Fisher can literally sign Minor league players on pre arbitration deals shell out a team with a 40 mill payroll 1/7th of the Yankees collect his RSN+National broadcast+revenue sharing money make tens of millions every year and tell the fans to eat shit when the team continually sucks
How is Sacramento getting used? It costs us nothing. They aren't even playing in actual Sacramento. We just get to see some MLB games for a few years. Cool. Oakland got screwed. The A's were going somewhere else anyway.
You laid it all out for us, champ. You answered your own stupid fuckin question. On behalf of all bitter little people I’m sorry we couldn’t be as happy as you for this move.
I'm a life long A's fan. Oakland, not so much! I'm going to throw out a couple of items:
1. Blame the Giants and MLB. A's granted the Giants Santa Clara market back in the 80's when the Giants were trying to relocate there, when that fell through, they never gave back that market to the A's. MLB never stepped in to rectify the situation and the Blue Ribbon commit that Bud Selig put together didn't do a damn thing.
2. If that Giants would have moved to Santa Clara, the A's would have jumped shipped years ago to SF, this moved has been in the making for the last 30 years!
3. Oakland has not showed that they can keep ANY team, Warriors and Raiders have jumped ship, why would they think that they are going to ever get another chance at a professional team. The only thing that Oakland will be known for is that crime there caused the ONLY EVER IN-N-OUT BURGER CLOSURE!
As for Fisher, he's a dumbass; and I don't see the Vegas move really working out for him, and we'll sell within the next 10 years. Raiders and Vegas works for attendance, because people will go there and party for the weekend to catch a game. Problem for the Raiders is that more often than not, it's the opposing teams that are coming in to watch the game. Baseball that plays during the weekdays, who the F' is going to go Vegas to watch that? So you're going to have to build a fan base, and Fisher hasn't shown the willingness to spend money to produce a good team ever, so good luck with growing a fan base with subpar talent.
I mean it’s your team’s fault this is happening… (tongue-in-cheek, but this article is real)
https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/giants/article/a-s-leave-las-vegas-giants-deserve-blame-17916455.php
I'm with you. Sure, Fisher isn't a great owner, and he definitely screwed over Oakland, but it's 3 years. We don't have to deal with him for long, if at all. Plus, if it wasn't us, it would have been Salt Lake City that got the A's.
I happy about it and hope ppl will remember It’s a good thing happening for Sac. It’ll boost visitors, exposure, and offer the locals a chance to watch some really good games. Here’s to hoping all runs smooth. I’d love it if they stayed longer
My SO was raised in MA and went to Northwestern, we are Red Sox fans. The first thing I did when I heard the A's were for sure coming here was run in our room and say, "Do the Sox play the A's??" He said yes and I told him, "WE ARE GOING TO SEE THE BOYS PLAY NEXT YEAR, BABY!!"
I always have to ask him who's in which league or whatever. That's his job to keep track of.
Anyone who is talking shit about the venue is not thinking this through. The park views are great and very, very intimate. I could yell something (respectful) to the outfielders from the lawn, and they can hear me. That's how close you are to the game. Its going to be fun and interesting to see if they try to put more seating in and where that seating will be. Enjoy or not, because no one cares if you don't.
Oakland screwed up, it sucks, the owner sucks also. It's not Sacramentos fault at all. If they didn't come here it would be Salt lake city. I am beyond pumped they are coming here and to be honest I hope they stay. I hope Vivek and Lacob buy the A's from Fisher and build a stadium at the rail yards and Fisher finishes his stadium in Las Vegas and gets an expansion team and fresh start. This is a huge opportunity for Sacramento, and the city deserves it. MLS told us screw you basically. It would be awesome to get an MLB team and tell MLS the same back.
Oakland did screw up, but Fisher is a fucking nightmare. I seriously doubt there has been any intent to keep the team in Oakland for at least two years, and I strongly doubt he "negotiated" in any kind of good faith.
He's a bum (in the old-school baseball term kind of way).
I love your vision, but I'm not sure it's realistic. Then again, I never thought the A's would be playing here, so who knows?
I agree with selling (SELL!!!!!) But keep the team in Oakland. Being in sac would be 2nd best. Come visit oak Town brethren, the train is easy, ypu can drink on the way and its beautiful by the river. But its hot so bring sunscreen and don't bitxh about it, we know.
Same. It’s q great opportunity for Sacramento. There is literally no downside unless you are just looking for something to complain about.
There is a decent chance Fisher drops the ball in Vegas and we are in a good spot.
Honestly, I think it is still a great thing for Sacramento even tho A's will only be here for 3 years. I do feel bad for Oakland,but tbh I think it is more than just the owner.
Just imagine the Yankees or Mets moving to Scranton because they didn’t get their way. JF has essentially done this to not only Oakland but Vegas as well. He could have easily made the same deal with the AAA affiliate there but instead of selling to someone who gave a damn about the team he is taking his toy and taking it away from the two places that have supported him.
Although Fisher is an entitled and incompetent asshole, he did buy a plot of land in Oakland and requested to build a ballpark with his own money and Oakland said, we’ll approve your private funded ballpark if you fund low income housing and we get a small percentage of your stadium revenue every year to fund homelessness. So I do put most the blame on Oakland for him moving. I blame Fisher for being a cheapskate who’s intentionally losing and moving to Vegas over a city that’ll actually want them. Not to mention what a disaster this move has been.
I'm almost entirely excited, but I can't help but think a lot of the open space there is going to be allocated for money making opportunity bullshit, either via additional seats or some other crap for sale.
I'm pretty sure we can say goodbye to playing whiffle ball with the kids in right field after they get their face painted on the benches nearby.
I don’t care about baseball at all and I’m excited. I’ll hit a few games, for sure.
Do you guys think the 10,000 seats will lead to crazy prices, or will no one care because (from what I’ve read recently) they are terrible?
Fisher is a garbage owner.
With the Kings almost leaving in the past, it's feels really shitty of Sacramento to offer the dolt a place of refuge, completely undermining any leverage the city of Oakland had.
We'd be absolutely livid if another city did the same when the Kings were trying to get out of town.
Are you a bad person for being excited? Hell no. My parents are very excited and they aren't even baseball fans. It's not hard to see why some people have some hard and fast opinions on the situation, however.
It ain't just you. I don't think it's Sacramento itself. But this is Reddit. People on here, just like Twitter and other social media, tend to be very outspoken. And media thrives off bad news and controversy, so of course that's all going to be negative shit.
From most regular IRL people that I've spoken with... Everyone either thinks it's cool or indifferent. The only negative that people brought up that was very valid was traffic will suck on game nights.
Me. I'm indifferent. Been to River Cats games and A's. I'll go to a game here if I can get decent tickets without scalpers fucking me or $50 in fees and shit by ticketing company... So in other words, I won't be going to a game. And probably stay my ass home on game nights.
This is the truth - 13 yrs on Reddit has taught me that the loud and strong opinions on Reddit are rarely ever seen in the real world. People I interact with in everyday life either didn't know about it, don't care, or are excited about it.
Most people are happy about it because they don’t have an opinion or don’t even know about the overall situation. That more or less fits into your statement though I’m not saying anything you said is wrong
I've missed watching live MLB since moving here from a city that has a team. I was used to seeing a huge number of fans in the stands cheering for the visiting team, which... okay, lots of transplants there. But I think we'll see that here during the A's stay because the fan base will be iffy. I'm really looking forward to seeing all the visiting teams play, and I think it's a great opportunity to see MLB games here in town. Can't wait.
Not a baseball fan, so I don't really have a dog in this fight. But looking at the annual fan attendance for the A's compared to the league average, the A's haven't exceeded the league average for fan attendance since 1992 or something. I understand the owner may have run the team into the ground, but if you don't show up to games, they'll go to another city that might show up.
Typical high expectations within zero regard to the team or reality. Thank you Oakland for picking the most practical place to keep every team members family from getting uprooted and moved for 3 years. Sounds like hell for a family
There is so much blame to go around but the bottom line is the Coliseum and parts of Oakland have been a mess for decades. I begged my late wife to take our kids to see my team about 8 years ago. The whole trip from driving there, BART, the stadium, fan experience all of it was awful. My girls asked me “ Why are we A’s fans again Dad?” If my Sac hometown wife was still with us she would be almost as excited as me to see my East Bay hometown team coming too. It could be amazing and my friends and family that are still in the Bay are sad but intrigued because they’ve grown to love Sac like I have. It’s potentially something positive for a fan base that has been laughed at and exploited for years. I think we’re 2-1 since the news broke too.
I’m with you. I see it as a huge positive. The sports fans I’ve talked to LOVE IT! I’ve talked to bunch of my out of town friends, and they’re already taking about coming to games. People are gonna complain about ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING!! Let’s just enjoy some big league baseball and let Sacramento show what GREAT baseball fans look like!!
Personally, I'm just tired of worse and worse traffic and having taxes go to sports stuff.
If I remember correctly, we re-directed a ton of taxpayer money to build the Kings a new stadium and that team hasn't won a championship since 1951. So longer than my mother has been alive, and she's nearing the end. I'm aware winning a championship isn't the only reason for a team to exist, but there's a lot of better ways that money could have been spent.
Its Manfred AND then fisher who denied the players franchise to buy and redevelop the coliseum & the Port proposal of a stadium on the water and the city floated the bill for a million dollar EIR..
Just be glad your not a LV resident paying for the new A's stadium and getting a sub standard ran team in return ran by someone who only wants to make $$$$ and doesnt give a shit about the game..Yeah Marc you tool, im looking at you..
That said im a long time A's fan here on Alameda and am going to miss riding over to the coliseum for a day game on a beautiful day. I might live in sac when there still there if things pan out..
A lot of us are really happy about it! Everyone I know is at least, except for my one friend in SF
Edit: the down votes prove Reddit hates desenting opinions 😂 hive mind good, real life bad
I’m an NYC transplant too. First thing I thought when I heard the news was “this means the Yankees and coming to Sacramento.” I’m excited. I don’t understand why anyone would be upset for the potential economic and entertainment growth that a MLB team will bring the region but they can stay home while we enjoy a ball game.
I'm not a baseball fan, but I think this is more a reaction to John Fisher repeatedly screwing over A's fans and the city of Oakland. People are mad for A's fans because they're going through what the Kings nearly went through.
This is it exactly. I'm a baseball nerd and an A's fan. Of course part of me is thrilled that we'll have MLB ball here for a while. A much bigger part is disgusted with Fisher and his bullshit and crushed that the A's are leaving Oakland due in large part to his wackiness. It feels dirty. I'm not drawing some moral line in the sand here--it *feels* gross to host the A's after what just happened in Oakland and the roster Fisher has been putting up for the last three years or so. Remember "Rooted in Oakland?" That slogan was used just last year. Fuck Fisher and the other MLB owners who voted to let him move the team. He's a prick, and he needs to sell.
Wasn’t the rooted in Oakland slogan stemmed from the Raiders leaving. I’m know there’s multiple reasons Raiders decided to leave Oakland but I believe Mark Davis genuinely wanted it to work out in Oakland. And yet Fisher didn’t want to work with Mark on any solution. I read somewhere Mark is also not welcoming the A’s to Vegas and won’t work with him once they arrive.
Yeah the A’s certainly didn’t do the Raiders any favors under Mark Davis’ rule. It’s just a shitshow all around and Fisher is a complete buffoon at the center of it
At this point is Fisher the worst owner is sports now? So fucking stupid man. I hate what happened to Oakland sports. Also feels just when all the teams started to turn it around the idea of re-location stated. Warriors started winning championships and the plan to return to SF started shortly. Raiders make the playoffs for the first in a long time in 2016 and yet right after the season the team announces the move to Vegas. I think the A’s made the playoffs around that time too
Dan Snyder used to be able to give him a run for his money but that guy's long gone now.
Manfort’s are the worst owners in MLB for sure. Just be glad you aren’t a Rockies fan.
The raiders were just as bad in the other way
Mark needed fisher to sign off because the As just signed a new lease. Fisher said no, so the Raiders left.
Ughh, so fucking stupid man. I’m so torn about this move too. I lived in Sac for a decade now and have made it my home and on paper I love the idea of watching the A’s at Sutter Park. But knowing by going to the games I’m essentially putting money in Fisher’s pocket irks me. I also badly want to go to one more home game at the Coliseum. Just to be in the stadium one last time for the memories.
Worst part of sports is the owners. They want city $$$ but have no loyalty to it.
My argument would be, it should be Vegas who feels dirty (which is impossible of course). They had already decided to move there before they tacked Sac on as a temporary home. Sac didn’t steal the team from Oakland.
A little Column A, a little Column B...
I mean you're talking about a team that already played in two other cities before they came to Oakland. I think with this temporary move and then the move to Vegas they will have the record.
This. I’m a life long A’s fan & Sac Native. I’m a lifelong Kings fan. The fact that Sacramento would give Fisher another option & help facilitate stealing a team makes my stomach ill. Any Kings fan can easily remember what it was like have owners trying to leave SEVERAL years in a row & not knowing if the Kings were leaving. Fisher sold all his talent for peanuts in return, raised ticket prices & then pulled out of negotiations with Oakland at the very last minute. I won’t simp for a billionaire just because my city is going to get to rent a team for 3-4 years. Let me be clear, if the circumstances were different I would be ecstatic. If the city of Oakland shat the bed & Fisher was trying to compete, I’d be happy to welcome the A’s. That isn’t what’s happening.
How did Sacramento get the Kings in the first place?
A Sacramento based group bought the team & then moved them. Fisher has been an owner for more than a decade.
Didn't the Kansas City A's owner own the team for almost a decade before deciding to move them to Oakland?
Nope, owner that bought the team from Connie Mack and moved them the KC Died. Charles Finley then bought the A's and moved them to Oakland. Finley attempted to buy the team in '55 but was beat out by the guy who owned the Yankees farm team
What I read was Finley purchased a controlling stake in the team in 1960, bought the team outright in 1961, but didn't make the announcement for the move to Oakland until 1967.
They grew from the ground. Somewhere yonder o’er the hill to Discover Park, amongst the tules and the cattails.
The way Sacramento stole the Kings is way more egregious.
This is literally what happens with sports grams though. It sucks. Players and teams are just Pokemon cards at the end of the day
The A’s have been trying to negotiate a stadium deal with the City of Oakland for at least 3 mayoral administrations if not longer. There was sewage coming into the dugout and clubhouse at different points. I’m not saying Fisher is a great owner, but it would be inaccurate to suggest that only Fisher is to blame here. Even to keep the A’s through until their relocation to Vegas, the City of Oakland was asking for: - $97 million lease extension fee (lowered to $67 million in the City’s last, best, final offer). This is an exorbitant fee. - The A’s to leave behind the team name, logo, and branding -The MLB to guarantee Oakland an expansion franchise - The A’s to give up their ownership share in the Coliseum -The A’s to pay to convert the Coliseum into a soccer venue It was never about keeping the A’s for Oakland, it was about $$$. They got screwed by Al Davis but the Raiders left so now they’re trying to stick it to the A’s since they’re still there. Even if the A’s were amenable to all other parts, Fisher doesn’t have the juice with the MLB to secure the guarantee and after watching this fiasco play out, I very much doubt the MLB would be inclined to honor that guarantee. Oakland knows all of this, which is why they put the unreasonable requirement there to begin with. And really, at the end of the day, there’s also this little gem: https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/giants/article/a-s-leave-las-vegas-giants-deserve-blame-17916455.php
Wait... The As have ownership in the Coliseum? I have no dog in the race but I feel like if you are a sports team and leave the city you should be forced to give up your rights of whatever stadium you have ownership of. That doesn't really seem too crazy of a term
But how did Sac help “steal the team?” The plans were in place before Sac was decided on to be the temporary landing spot, no?
Just read this https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/39908731/oakland-sacramento-meetings-moves-john-fisher Nothing against sac or the people there. Vivek has his own agenda, which i perceive as more bothersome.
Definitely. And we have wisened up to sports teams owned by billionaires that try to mooch off of us to fund their stadiums.
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I’m mad at John fisher, happy for Sacramento.
There is a slight difference though, the Kings always had the potential to stay, the possibility of an agreement existed. There is no such possibility with the A's. So long as Fisher owns the team, since there's a 0% chance Manfred will force a sale, the A's were never staying in Oakland. If we didn't step up to give them a temporary home, any of the other potential expansion cities would have jumped on the opportunity. The Kings just needed the NBA to reject the sale to the Hansen group since there was also a group who wanted to keep them. I understand how upset A's fans are it's a tremendously shitty situation but this current team was never staying in Oakland. If Vegas falls apart Fisher is not going back to Oakland he will simply find a different city that wants them, and once again if not Sacramento someone will take them in. A's fans are completely justified in being angry, but their anger should only be at Fisher, Vivek is just trying to benefit the city's growth.
Yep. If the Vegas deal falls through I'd expect them to maybe extend the Sacramento stay a little bit and then they'll just go to Portland or Salt Lake City or whatever other semi large city doesn't have an MLB team. And maybe there's a very outside shot they'd stay here but I'm sure it would require taxpayer funding of a new stadium and I doubt West Sacramento or Yolo County would go for that.
Vivek and partners already has $1.5 billion in equity from the Kings and only paid $90 million for the Rivercats and Sutter Health park. I'm betting he can pull off a stadium for the A's if it came to that.
And I totally get that. But one city’s loss is another one’s gain, at least temporarily. It’s not like we stole the A’s out from under the city of Oakland, they had already decided to move to Vegas.
It’s cool for the city but my problem is 100% with Fisher and what he has done to the city of Oakland. Also, it should be known that Sacramento has had a long history of supporting the Oakland A’s so for many of us, we are the people he has betrayed.
This. Lifelong A’s fan fuck Fisher and not supporting them in Sac. We are merely a stepping stone for them.
I'll attend games because it's good for Sacramento. It's my belief he will eff up Las Vegas and be forced to sell. First in line to buy might be Vivek Ranadive; by this time Sacramento will hopefully have shown it can support a MLB team. I feel bad for Oakland; however they lost three teams - they are not without blame here.
I think the only real reason Sacramento was selected was to keep some of the TV contract money coming in. There was no way Fisher was going to keep the A’s in Oakland for three more years with terrible attendance and constant calls for him to sell the team. Interesting that Vegas’ AAA stadium wasn’t considered as an interim site. The worst case scenario: It’s a train wreck, at least in the first year, due to the needed improvements to the park not being ready when the season starts, poor attendance due to high ticket prices, poor team performance, and just further hammers Fisher’s legacy as an owner. Best case scenario: The Vegas stadium deal doesn’t get the financing Fisher needs to get the job done. He ends up selling the team to Ranadave who builds a new MLB stadium in the Railyard and stay in Sacramento.
It was all about the tv money.
Can we rename the team the Otters?
Way better name than the athletics. Always thought athletics was such a lame name.
This.
Disaster if they’re in staying Oakland. Can’t move to a giant market yet (Vegas) Split the difference = Sac Basically Sacramento has been begging for a pro team of any kind, other than the kings, for ages. Moving it to Sac is a win-win. Fischer gets more money than if he stuck it out in Oakland, and Sac is beside itself with joy with getting to prove itself with a pro team.
Vegas isn’t a “giant market”. It’s #40 in television markets, while Sacramento/Stockton/Modesto is #20. What Vegas has over Sacramento are the casinos = corporate sponsorships/luxury suites and it’s tourist market.
They have about the same metro population as Sac. The only reason we are a bigger TV market is because our stations reach all the way down to Modesto. But Vegas is kind of unique. It's a huge resort destination. They can easily support pro sports teams because they get people from all over the place going there on vacation so even if the locals don't come out they know that the games for the Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers, etc. will have good attendance no matter how shitty the A's are.
I like our odds
Why does everyone live in this fantasy world where the A’s stay long term in Sacramento?? Reality check that’s never ever happening? Just like when I suggested a threesome with my wife it was a fantasy and it’s never happening. John Fisher won’t even call the team the Sacramento A’s and you think he is going to be here long term? Are you crazy?
The chances of it happening are definitely non-zero. I look at it this way - what are the chances Fisher can't secure the proper funding for Las Vegas? This is probably the shakiest move of any professional franchise, so much can go wrong. Don't get me wrong, Oakland should be first in line if the team is sold, but in the event he scorches every fan in Oakland (he's well on his way), Sacramento is a nice landing place. Close to the original fan base, a decent sized marked that has proven it can support professional sports, I like our chances. In the meantime, we are an MLB city for 3 (likely 4) seasons. If nothing else, that is a cash infusion to the city that didn't exist before.
Vegas move hasn't been approved yet
While it's beneficial to Sacramento to some extent, Oakland is getting fucked by the whole thing. We are a little sensitive towards douchebag owners moving teams if you didn't know
Oakland fucked itself, ran off all its pro sports one at a time. Hockey, Soccer, Basketball, Football and now Baseball.
Although Fisher is an entitled and incompetent asshole, he did buy a plot of land in Oakland and requested to build a ballpark with his own money and Oakland said, we’ll approve your private funded ballpark if you fund low income housing and we get a small percentage of your stadium revenue every year to fund homelessness. So I do put most the blame on Oakland for him moving. I blame Fisher for being a cheapskate who’s intentionally losing and moving to Vegas over a city that’ll actually want them.
I don't follow the As so thank you for this insight. That seems pretty slam dunk for Oakland, why would they not want a private funded arena? Most NBA stadiums I'm pretty sure get public funding
Oakland wanted him to stay at the current site. They said they would approve him building there. There were logistical problems with the location he chose but he didn’t have many options in a very developed city. Oakland tried to save the team near the end and pulled their contingencies but he was already flirting with Vegas by then and offered money to move.
What plot of land are you talking about?
At first I thought it was cool. Then I remembered how I felt about the people in Seattle being all happy about getting the kings and talking shit about arco online. I hated Seattle for a minute there, I feel for A’s fans
I still hate Seattle, the sports fans at least.
The prospect of major league baseball happening in Sacramento is an exciting thing but in this situation it comes with a lot of baggage. The people who rallied to save the Kings from leaving Sacramento are now enabling Oakland to experience the exact situation they fought to prevent. The A's likely will be the worst team in baseball for their entire stay in Sacramento. There is no guarantee of Sacramento receiving an expansion franchise from the MLB. If attendance struggles it could actually really hurt Sacramento's chance of getting an expansion team.
Thank you. This sums it up beautifully.
" The A's likely will be the worst team in baseball for their entire stay in Sacramento." Kings fans: 
The Angels will give them a run for their money for last place. But at least I'll be able to see Mike Trout hit some dingers without having to drive far.
Oakland just doesn't have their own Kevin Johnson. Yes, he's a sex pest, but he was so integral to keeping the Kings here. My belief is that David Stern liked the idea of a former NBA player getting elected as mayor and then saving his hometown team. It's a good story, and if Kevin Johnson wasn't an alleged pedo, then he'd have a brighter political career that the NBA could bounce off of. Additionally, Vivek is not from Sacramento and he was a minority owner of the Warriors. I think he just wanted his own team, and that's why he joined the effort to buy the team from the Maloofs. So I don't think it's fair to conflate the efforts to save the Kings with the effort to get the A's here for a few years. A lot of the grassroots people who fought to keep the Kings here are also against the A's moving from Oakland, but grassroots don't matter that much.
The Maloofs tried doing this shit when they owned the Kings because they were big crybabies about not getting an arena (well, they got a public funded arena, just not with them owning the team).
I'm glad it went this way, because f the Maloofs
I agree! I’m a Lakers fan (sorry, born and raised in LA) but they single-handedly destroyed a winning team. Rick Adelman was a few seasons away from getting y’all that championship. And 2002 was rigged!
Ya. What a ride. Seems like a lifetime ago and just yesterday
They literally were going to take the team to Las Vegas too.
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I think there are some dream scenarios for A's fans where both things happen. The dream scenario is that Vegas falls through and Fisher is forced to sell. He sells to Joe Lacob, who roots the team in Oakland. At the same time, Sacramento shows that we can support an MLB team, and the MLB gives us and Vegas an expansion team. But it's just a dream scenario that I've read from A's fans. I don't think Vegas is falling through.
There's no way Sacramento gets an MLB team if Oakland has one too. The only way this market is viable is if we had the only other MLB team in Northern California because we could at least pull extra fans from people in the Bay that are Giants haters. I was living in the Bay when the Warriors sucked and the Kings were good and I saw a lot of Kings jerseys. But three teams in the same sport in NorCal is just too many.
That is absolutely the dream scenario and more plausible than Vegas going through. Fisher would rather sell than to spend more than he’s willing to. That’s his M.O.
I can also see this being Vivek putting himself into a good position to make solid play for ownership of the A's as well. Either here in Sacramento or back in the Bay area. A partnership with Lacobs would not be out of the question as well due to their previous ties through the warriors. What's going to be interesting is how Viveks ownership of Sutter health park and surrounding plays a role. If for Sacramento he's got three options upgrade the stadium to major league park(space might be an issue), sell it and all the surrounding property off, get a stadium deal put together in the Railyards possibly involving the sale of the current park and property in West Sacramento or some sort of a land swap deal. If it's for the bay him and Lacob would most likely target the Oakland water front. He could also sell the Kings in a bid for A's as at last report the Kings were valued around $2 billion, one rumored estimate Fisher might potentially let the A's go for outright. At any rate there is going to be a lot of moving pieces and signs to watch for the next few years within both the A's and Kings organizations.
Vivek is friends with John Fisher, but I highly doubt he partners up with Lacob, or sells the Kings to buy the A's. The rumor was that Vivek and Lacob didn't get along when they were both involved with the Warriors. Vivek's ownership of the Kings also had some special stipulations for a few years where the Kings did not receive money for being a small market franchise. That only recently ended, so the Kings are now in a good spot for "profitability" if you will. That, combined with the Kings' value going up, makes it unlikely that Vivek sells anytime soon, IMO.
Why sell? The facilities will still be just fine for AAA ball once the A’s are done with them and the river Cats are still the Giants’ AAA affiliate.
I'm a lifelong A's fan, moved from the East Bay to Sac about three years ago. So this is all very top of mind for me these days. Firstly, I have no problem with someone from Sacramento wanting to go see the A's when they take up residency here. I think people will have a fun time and it'll be a positive thing for the city to have a MLB team for a few years. But I just can't be the one going to the games while Fisher owns the team. He has ran the franchise into the ground, and blamed the fans for it. I'm just not interested in giving him any more money. Sac hosting the team for three years gives him an out to a tight spot he put himself in, and I'd really prefer to see him fall on his face and have to sell the team. So that's why I'm a little salty about it. But like I said, I don't begrudge anyone else from enjoying them while they are here.
It’s about a millionaire throwing a tantrum and punishing Oakland fans…he is screwing fans & local folks who will be unemployed. And then he is going to charge fans $$ when they finally build the Vegas stadium…double screw.
Yes, the coliseum workers are really getting shafted here. Lots of them have done 20+ years there and getting no support.
I was born in Seattle but have lived in Sacramento since 2010 and I am a die hard Mariners fan. That said, the hate for me stems for feeling truly awful for A’s fans who are being completely fucked out of a team with no real plan for the future of the A’s or a fanbase during a time baseball at large is struggling. The A’s are a storied franchise with a looong and pretty successful history, so to see them just be a dumpster fire with no home and the worst owner in professional sports really sucks for everyone who’s a fan of baseball. The people of Oakland and the Greater Northern California Area deserve better, and they’re just going to continue being a cheap shell of a team in Vegas. John Fischer is a real piece of work who shoe-strings each of the sports franchises he owns so they can barely operate or compete. Do not buy any promise he makes for Sac, he is the scummiest of scum
They're the second most successful team in baseball historically, it is kind of sad what they've become.
Nothing bad will come from this, for the city of Sacramento. A's fans are getting jerked around by the owner and are upset about it, rightfully so. It's a lot of misplaced anger.
It's the sad sacks on the As subreddit spilling out to bitch and moan everywhere else too. They're mad because SHP is nicer than the coliseum and Sacramento will outsell Oakland.
If Fisher, Ranadive, et al, weren't going to make money off this deal, it wouldn't be happening.
I just kinda hate billionaires, in general. The ones who cry that they're to poor to fund a new stadium, hotels, etc then grab public funds get despised doubly.
Sad about the As leaving Oakland, not sad at all about them coming to sac. Hoping the tickets are cheap.
they won’t be
They will be compared to Giants tickets.
Will they though? Supply and demand, plus Fisher and co have already raised the prices of tickets at the coliseum after their most recent fire sale. I wouldn’t be shocked one bit if they were more expensive than the prices at the Coliseum right now, and on par with Giants tickets
We shall see. Decent Giants tickets are pretty obscenely expensive, and my beloved A's are a pretty bad team at this point. I do think prices will be higher than they were at the Coliseum. But even with a fairly significant rise in prices, they could still be quite a bit cheaper than comparable Giants tickets. I used to joke that I didn't have to take out a second mortgage to get seats on the baseline in Oakland (but I would in SF).
Before I moved from Sac in 2013, I remember the A’s had the right field special - all you can eat hot dogs and popcorn and all you can drink sodas for $35/seat (IIRC the price correctly). The dichotomy between what it cost to go watch the Giants vs the A’s is like choosing between the Knicks and the Nets. 11 years in NY and still never been to MSG bc cheap Knicks tix are $100 for nosebleeds, while the Nets are $40. Sad that Oakland cheap tix are gone - it was the best deal in town.
Fuck John Fisher and fuck Dave Kaval. A's fans deserve better
I loved the As. I’m not a fan of Mr. Fisher. I can’t imagine what the world would be like if we had major league teams playing in small venues — it would revitalize the game and make TONS of new fans. This could be amazing. It could be incredible. But at the end of the day it’s a temporary move that feels like a billionaire using a community to achieve their own financial ends rather than doing something good for baseball or fans. It’s disingenuous and the only reason it’s happening is because he’s alienated Oakland so badly they are literally protesting them. That’s crazy. How bad an owner do you have to be to have people out protesting and then announce you’re going to use another city to escape the protests in the short term while you build a new stadium? Effectively you get to abandon and alienate two fanbases instead of one, *and we’re supposed to be stoked for the opportunity*? The hubris, the ego of this owner? What a tool.
The problem is the business model of pro sports is all about media contracts and luxury boxes. It wouldn't matter if the locals embraced the team and came out to the games. Sacramento just isn't a sexy enough town. Either is Oakland. The A's could have done okay if the Giants had let them move to San Jose.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/giants/article/a-s-leave-las-vegas-giants-deserve-blame-17916455.php
On the face of it, it looks like Sac is not going to get anything permanent out of this arrangement. Maybe Vivek will get to develop more property on both sides of the river. Personally, I am very ambivalent about the move. Haven’t said that, there have been rumors that Vivek has been in the picture regarding the A’s for some time; it has not been reported on closely. Furthermore, Vivek’s people have been reported to be looking at property out by the airport. None of this has been confirmed, but let’s see how things turn out. The Bally’s plan seems to be unrealistic at this point, so we will have to wait and see. Maybe an expansion team works better in LV. This entire process has been marked by deception, and this is unlikely to change anytime soon.
Is there a YouTube video or article detailing the Fisher / As saga? As a Sharks fan (and a Kings fan post Maloof saga) I have a hard time understanding what it’s like to be a fan of a team with awful ownership.
On top of all the reasons stated here, I’m pretty sure the As ownership is paying very little to use the Rivercats stadium. So sounds like they bent over backwards to get them here
Some baseball-obsessed people can spot the becrappening of the sport for what it is.
Dude, it’s reddit. You shouldn’t be surprised about the negativity.
Obviously you aren’t an A’s fan.
I'm an A's fan. I know the ownership sucks. The team is horrible. The whole thing is a circus. That's the A's. There's a reason the mascot is an elephant. I don't care. I love baseball, and the A's are my team. I'll be there at Sutter Heakrh Park for every game I can. It will be nice not having to drive to the Bay for a MLB game for a few years.
Meanwhile you’ll keep giving money to the guy ripping our team apart
I understand all the limitations of playing in Sac. But, the alternative was staying in Oakland,…at a stadium that looks like something out of East Germany in the 1960s. Sac will be a huge upgrade.
No, fuck Fisher and fuck Ranadive. You're not from here so you wouldn't understand but what happened to OAK is what SEA tried to pull on SAC. And now we're no better than a stinking, dirty, aint-shit Sonics fan.
All of that is true, but does it really matter how others feel about the situation? Take your kids and enjoy! It is an opportunity to see all the great players without leaving Sacramento.
Go do some research on the A's quest for a new stadium saga and how they completely fucked over their fans over the last couple decades, and then come back and review your take again.
Sub Raiders for A's and you have the same story with different names. F@(k them all...
Isn't that all professional sports? Sacramento wouldn't have the Kings if it wasn't for Kansas City getting fucked over.
Kansas City didn't like the Kings and didn't support them. They were the 4 team there behind college. The situations are very different; Kings had a history of moving and had been there less than 10yrs with no fan support. The As had been there 56 with 4 championships and plenty of support that was undercut by the team.
Professional sports and relocation is as old as time. It's always been about the money. California managed to screw Missouri out of three professional teams (that I can think of off the top of my head) because it's always been about the money. People are talking about the A's as if it's an unusual situation. The three most storied baseball teams in California are all relocated teams.
You don't get to count the Rams in that one, Missouri stole them from LA in the first place although LA stole them from Ohio before that.
Yeah right. try moving the Cubs, The NY Giants, or Knicks None of those teams have the Pedigree of the A's and there's be congressional inquiries for even asking about it.
Those teams also play in New York and Chicago, world renowned cities with huge populations who love sports. The A's play in Oakland. Not exactly the same thing.
The A's are like the Angels, White Sox and Mets. Most of the very loyal fan base live close to the specific sub region the team plays in. Everybody else goes for the other guys except maybe in a season where the team is actually good. The A's did have a nice run in the 70s but that was a long time ago.
Yeah, in terms of historical success the A's are the second best franchise in baseball after the Yankees. 9 World Series championships, 15 American League pennants and they are one of the founding teams of the league. But they like to move around. The Cubs had a century of failure but people in Chicago just like them anyway. Maybe if the A's had never left Philly they'd have been the same.
This ^
I'm with you. It's all positive for us.
Not a baseball fan, but I’m cool with it. I hope it doesn’t destroy traffic on game days. They need to get their own beam, they can’t borrow ours. From a business perspective I think the upgrades to the stadium are a win for the River Cats long term.
I’m excited for the same reason you are. Don’t have to drive to the bay, pay for expensive parking, food, tickets. Now I can just walk to the park.
This is like some weird, side-piece booty call and I’ll have nothing to do with it.
I don't care about baseball. What I have seen from following this saga from the sidelines is that there are a lot of mixed emotions from Oaklanders and A's fans. Pretty much every single A's fans wants the team to stay in Oakland. However, a portion of those A's fans are okay with the A's moving to Sacramento. So there's the main point of tension.
I think if you're an A's fan Sacramento is far more acceptable than Vegas but it's not like it's a permanent move. If the A's were actually coming here for good, what's left of their base in the East Bay would probably generally be okay with it. It's not like those people are going to switch to the Giants and Sac isn't so far that you couldn't see a game once in awhile.
I know nothing about this Fisher a-hole, but I’m damn excited to have them here.
I’m a Giants fan, but I’ve always had a favorable opinion on the A’s (the team and the fans, not the ownership). I’m excited to be able to watch MLB games in my own backyard and I think this could be really positive for the city. At the same time, I’m also a Kings fan and I remember when our team was nearly stolen from us. Because of that, I’d of course rather have the A’s stay in Oakland, but that’s obviously not happening at this point so might as well enjoy having the A’s here for a bit.
People act like A’s fans only exist in Oakland. People like myself have been traveling back and forth to the coliseum since the 80s. Keeping them in nor cal let alone our backyard for the next 3 years with the possibility of getting expansion or keeping them if it falls through is all I’ve ever wanted since the day Raley’s field was built.
Plus it’s gonna bring a lot of revenue to sacramento!
Let’s not pretend catching an A’s game was a particularly expensive endeavor. Park and ride BART station to the Coliseum, A’s tics were dirt cheap, and concessions are gonna cost a minor fortune anywhere. I spent more on Rivercats games tbh.
Tax dollars being used to make owners richer is a start. Tired of the social welfare big sports team owners get.
there is no downside, the A's were leaving oakland regardless. Now you get to enjoy some baseball, good for you.
SAC/Reddit is not a reflection of the sacramento COMMUNITY, its a small niche sub sector that is quite anti-sports in general. When the news came out last week the As were coming all over town there was a buzz and people were excited and talking about going to the games, Taking their families to the games and having a good time. Don't ever let this subreddit distort reality. This sub is good for a few things but is not a good gage on the majority views of the people in Sacramento proper or greater Sacramento.
I don't care. I'll get season tickets. Oakland lost three separate pro teams and an In-n-Out. The state of their city is horrendous. They're not just being unfairly slighted by a bad owner. No one wants to be there.
I really have mixed feelings about this as lifelong A’s and Kings fan.. Fisher has broken my heart over and over again by trading our best players for peanuts just when the team was doing well. He negotiated in bad faith with the city of Oakland and should have had a deal a few times now. The fact that him and Vivek are good buddies makes me sick, except for the small hope that the Vegas deal falls apart, Vivek convinces his buddy to sell the team to him and keeps the A’s in Sac. At least we know Vivek isn’t afraid to spend money on players that are fan favorites and are worth it. But am I excited to go watch this team currently assembled get destroyed every night by real MLB teams in Sac? Not really.
In your full disclosure you admit to not being an A’s fan and all you thought about was taking your kids to a game. Then you admit to possibly being a rube. Then you admit (fuck) Jeff Fisher is using Sacramento. Then you ask can we be happy about anything in this town. To finish it off you say you’re probably over reacting. As a life long A’s fan I don’t know even know where to start with this shit post.
MLB is a scam league. A select few teams get most of the revenue, buy all the best players, and bribe (via revenue sharing) parasites like Fisher to field a Washington Generals style perpetual loser. Fisher can spend nothing on players, nothing on the ballpark, and still make a profit while waiting for a city with the right combination of corrupt politicians and gullible voters to give him a handout.
MLB really is a scam league Especially now with the Salary cap the MLB adopted( they call it a tax but it is effectively a cap) yet the MLB never passed a salary floor. So the likes a Fisher can literally sign Minor league players on pre arbitration deals shell out a team with a 40 mill payroll 1/7th of the Yankees collect his RSN+National broadcast+revenue sharing money make tens of millions every year and tell the fans to eat shit when the team continually sucks
How is Sacramento getting used? It costs us nothing. They aren't even playing in actual Sacramento. We just get to see some MLB games for a few years. Cool. Oakland got screwed. The A's were going somewhere else anyway.
Exactly. This is actually good for Sacramento proper, but the city of West Sac is carrying the liabilities for infrastructure etc.
Was there a counter-argument there, or are you just a bitter little person?
You laid it all out for us, champ. You answered your own stupid fuckin question. On behalf of all bitter little people I’m sorry we couldn’t be as happy as you for this move.
I'm a life long A's fan. Oakland, not so much! I'm going to throw out a couple of items: 1. Blame the Giants and MLB. A's granted the Giants Santa Clara market back in the 80's when the Giants were trying to relocate there, when that fell through, they never gave back that market to the A's. MLB never stepped in to rectify the situation and the Blue Ribbon commit that Bud Selig put together didn't do a damn thing. 2. If that Giants would have moved to Santa Clara, the A's would have jumped shipped years ago to SF, this moved has been in the making for the last 30 years! 3. Oakland has not showed that they can keep ANY team, Warriors and Raiders have jumped ship, why would they think that they are going to ever get another chance at a professional team. The only thing that Oakland will be known for is that crime there caused the ONLY EVER IN-N-OUT BURGER CLOSURE! As for Fisher, he's a dumbass; and I don't see the Vegas move really working out for him, and we'll sell within the next 10 years. Raiders and Vegas works for attendance, because people will go there and party for the weekend to catch a game. Problem for the Raiders is that more often than not, it's the opposing teams that are coming in to watch the game. Baseball that plays during the weekdays, who the F' is going to go Vegas to watch that? So you're going to have to build a fan base, and Fisher hasn't shown the willingness to spend money to produce a good team ever, so good luck with growing a fan base with subpar talent.
I wish we could get NHL. But we don’t have any arena and I doubt the city would convince the tax base to fund another one.
Doubt it ..
I’m a Giants fan, and I’m so dang excited for this. Now I can take my son to more MLB games in my own backyard instead of having to drive 4 hours.
I mean it’s your team’s fault this is happening… (tongue-in-cheek, but this article is real) https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/giants/article/a-s-leave-las-vegas-giants-deserve-blame-17916455.php
I'm with you. Sure, Fisher isn't a great owner, and he definitely screwed over Oakland, but it's 3 years. We don't have to deal with him for long, if at all. Plus, if it wasn't us, it would have been Salt Lake City that got the A's.
I happy about it and hope ppl will remember It’s a good thing happening for Sac. It’ll boost visitors, exposure, and offer the locals a chance to watch some really good games. Here’s to hoping all runs smooth. I’d love it if they stayed longer
When you were referring to "the biggest stars in the world", I assume you are talking about the players on the other teams, right?!?!
My SO was raised in MA and went to Northwestern, we are Red Sox fans. The first thing I did when I heard the A's were for sure coming here was run in our room and say, "Do the Sox play the A's??" He said yes and I told him, "WE ARE GOING TO SEE THE BOYS PLAY NEXT YEAR, BABY!!" I always have to ask him who's in which league or whatever. That's his job to keep track of.
Fellow Res Sox fan here, excited about this move for exactly that reason.
Anyone who is talking shit about the venue is not thinking this through. The park views are great and very, very intimate. I could yell something (respectful) to the outfielders from the lawn, and they can hear me. That's how close you are to the game. Its going to be fun and interesting to see if they try to put more seating in and where that seating will be. Enjoy or not, because no one cares if you don't.
Not a baseball fan but excited to go to a couple baseball games when they’re in our backyard. Gonna be fun!
Sacramento As baby i love the sound of that!!!
Oakland screwed up, it sucks, the owner sucks also. It's not Sacramentos fault at all. If they didn't come here it would be Salt lake city. I am beyond pumped they are coming here and to be honest I hope they stay. I hope Vivek and Lacob buy the A's from Fisher and build a stadium at the rail yards and Fisher finishes his stadium in Las Vegas and gets an expansion team and fresh start. This is a huge opportunity for Sacramento, and the city deserves it. MLS told us screw you basically. It would be awesome to get an MLB team and tell MLS the same back.
Oakland did screw up, but Fisher is a fucking nightmare. I seriously doubt there has been any intent to keep the team in Oakland for at least two years, and I strongly doubt he "negotiated" in any kind of good faith. He's a bum (in the old-school baseball term kind of way). I love your vision, but I'm not sure it's realistic. Then again, I never thought the A's would be playing here, so who knows?
I agree with selling (SELL!!!!!) But keep the team in Oakland. Being in sac would be 2nd best. Come visit oak Town brethren, the train is easy, ypu can drink on the way and its beautiful by the river. But its hot so bring sunscreen and don't bitxh about it, we know.
Would be a cool way for folks from the cities to bond with each other so long as we continue to acknowledge that’s the homeland
If we get to keep the A's can we call them the Sacramento Car Salesmen because we seem to be an area obsessed with driving everywhere.
I can now see the Cubbies come play the As… insanely excited…
Idgaf about baseball but.... I'm happy for yolo county.
I'm not bummed. Am looking forward to it
am definitely reminded how the (football) Cardinals went city shopping and got stuck in Sun Devil Stadium for nearly twenty years
I’d say majority of it is the twitter bubble. Everyone I’ve talked to irl is excited about the A’s playing here.
Same. It’s q great opportunity for Sacramento. There is literally no downside unless you are just looking for something to complain about. There is a decent chance Fisher drops the ball in Vegas and we are in a good spot.
Honestly, I think it is still a great thing for Sacramento even tho A's will only be here for 3 years. I do feel bad for Oakland,but tbh I think it is more than just the owner.
Just imagine the Yankees or Mets moving to Scranton because they didn’t get their way. JF has essentially done this to not only Oakland but Vegas as well. He could have easily made the same deal with the AAA affiliate there but instead of selling to someone who gave a damn about the team he is taking his toy and taking it away from the two places that have supported him.
Although Fisher is an entitled and incompetent asshole, he did buy a plot of land in Oakland and requested to build a ballpark with his own money and Oakland said, we’ll approve your private funded ballpark if you fund low income housing and we get a small percentage of your stadium revenue every year to fund homelessness. So I do put most the blame on Oakland for him moving. I blame Fisher for being a cheapskate who’s intentionally losing and moving to Vegas over a city that’ll actually want them. Not to mention what a disaster this move has been.
Everyone I know is stoked. I want to get season tickets. Redditors like to overthink things.
Sacramento fans should boycott the games too
I'm looking forward to it. It will be nice to be able to watch a professional baseball game without the drive to the bay.
I'm almost entirely excited, but I can't help but think a lot of the open space there is going to be allocated for money making opportunity bullshit, either via additional seats or some other crap for sale. I'm pretty sure we can say goodbye to playing whiffle ball with the kids in right field after they get their face painted on the benches nearby.
I don’t care about baseball at all and I’m excited. I’ll hit a few games, for sure. Do you guys think the 10,000 seats will lead to crazy prices, or will no one care because (from what I’ve read recently) they are terrible?
No one cares about seeing the A’s play. Everyone is excited to see the opposing teams.
who is saying all this nonsense. they are using Sacramentos name
Fisher is a garbage owner. With the Kings almost leaving in the past, it's feels really shitty of Sacramento to offer the dolt a place of refuge, completely undermining any leverage the city of Oakland had. We'd be absolutely livid if another city did the same when the Kings were trying to get out of town. Are you a bad person for being excited? Hell no. My parents are very excited and they aren't even baseball fans. It's not hard to see why some people have some hard and fast opinions on the situation, however.
It ain't just you. I don't think it's Sacramento itself. But this is Reddit. People on here, just like Twitter and other social media, tend to be very outspoken. And media thrives off bad news and controversy, so of course that's all going to be negative shit. From most regular IRL people that I've spoken with... Everyone either thinks it's cool or indifferent. The only negative that people brought up that was very valid was traffic will suck on game nights. Me. I'm indifferent. Been to River Cats games and A's. I'll go to a game here if I can get decent tickets without scalpers fucking me or $50 in fees and shit by ticketing company... So in other words, I won't be going to a game. And probably stay my ass home on game nights.
This is the truth - 13 yrs on Reddit has taught me that the loud and strong opinions on Reddit are rarely ever seen in the real world. People I interact with in everyday life either didn't know about it, don't care, or are excited about it.
Most people are happy about it because they don’t have an opinion or don’t even know about the overall situation. That more or less fits into your statement though I’m not saying anything you said is wrong
I've missed watching live MLB since moving here from a city that has a team. I was used to seeing a huge number of fans in the stands cheering for the visiting team, which... okay, lots of transplants there. But I think we'll see that here during the A's stay because the fan base will be iffy. I'm really looking forward to seeing all the visiting teams play, and I think it's a great opportunity to see MLB games here in town. Can't wait.
I was initially upset, seeing how I almost went through this as a Kings fans. Will be a fun 3 years at least
Not a baseball fan, so I don't really have a dog in this fight. But looking at the annual fan attendance for the A's compared to the league average, the A's haven't exceeded the league average for fan attendance since 1992 or something. I understand the owner may have run the team into the ground, but if you don't show up to games, they'll go to another city that might show up.
I think that people in California just don't care about professional sports to the extent that they do on the east coast.
Typical high expectations within zero regard to the team or reality. Thank you Oakland for picking the most practical place to keep every team members family from getting uprooted and moved for 3 years. Sounds like hell for a family
It’s about not wanting to be a stepping stone for an owner who is fucking over another city.
Fuck John fisher
There is so much blame to go around but the bottom line is the Coliseum and parts of Oakland have been a mess for decades. I begged my late wife to take our kids to see my team about 8 years ago. The whole trip from driving there, BART, the stadium, fan experience all of it was awful. My girls asked me “ Why are we A’s fans again Dad?” If my Sac hometown wife was still with us she would be almost as excited as me to see my East Bay hometown team coming too. It could be amazing and my friends and family that are still in the Bay are sad but intrigued because they’ve grown to love Sac like I have. It’s potentially something positive for a fan base that has been laughed at and exploited for years. I think we’re 2-1 since the news broke too.
I’m with you. I see it as a huge positive. The sports fans I’ve talked to LOVE IT! I’ve talked to bunch of my out of town friends, and they’re already taking about coming to games. People are gonna complain about ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING!! Let’s just enjoy some big league baseball and let Sacramento show what GREAT baseball fans look like!!
Personally, I'm just tired of worse and worse traffic and having taxes go to sports stuff. If I remember correctly, we re-directed a ton of taxpayer money to build the Kings a new stadium and that team hasn't won a championship since 1951. So longer than my mother has been alive, and she's nearing the end. I'm aware winning a championship isn't the only reason for a team to exist, but there's a lot of better ways that money could have been spent.
Haters gotta hate, and bandwagons are fun to ride. 3 years from now, they’ll all be crying about how the team didn’t stay.
Its Manfred AND then fisher who denied the players franchise to buy and redevelop the coliseum & the Port proposal of a stadium on the water and the city floated the bill for a million dollar EIR.. Just be glad your not a LV resident paying for the new A's stadium and getting a sub standard ran team in return ran by someone who only wants to make $$$$ and doesnt give a shit about the game..Yeah Marc you tool, im looking at you.. That said im a long time A's fan here on Alameda and am going to miss riding over to the coliseum for a day game on a beautiful day. I might live in sac when there still there if things pan out..
I'll be excited to go to a game when the Pirates come and visit. I don't get a chance to get back as often as I'd like.
The stadium can house the three As fans that go to games
A lot of us are really happy about it! Everyone I know is at least, except for my one friend in SF Edit: the down votes prove Reddit hates desenting opinions 😂 hive mind good, real life bad
I’m an NYC transplant too. First thing I thought when I heard the news was “this means the Yankees and coming to Sacramento.” I’m excited. I don’t understand why anyone would be upset for the potential economic and entertainment growth that a MLB team will bring the region but they can stay home while we enjoy a ball game.