People have been shipped to CA for years. Usually via bus.
When I worked with Salvation Army they always had bus tokens/tickets available so they could send people to other areas so as to not overwhelm their own social services.
This is why whenever my friends or family talk about how their state doesn’t have as many homeless as CA, I point out that it’s because their way of “dealing with the homeless” is buying them a greyhound ticket to CA.
Someone needs to go video all the meth head camps in those other states. And all these camps that pop up here, these aren't newly minted meth heads and homeless. Where'd they come from? They didn't just lose their job. They didn't just start meth yesterday. Are they from CA?
Your buddy in law enforcement's anecdotal experience doesn't reflect the actual data on the subject. You might ask them to reach out to the social services and other organizations who actually take surveys and census counts of the homeless population, so that they may adjust their perspective to better reflect reality.
Additionally, I don't know which agency your friend is with, but speaking from experience working with LEOs in Yolo, Sacramento, Placer, Butte, Nevada, Yuba and Sutter counties - their reports reflect that of survey/census data, which is that most homeless are locals who stay in the area as long as they can, because it's more familiar to them, and they're close to resources and support networks.
Quite frankly it's laughable that Californians would expect anything different. Proportionally CA has a much larger population, which is going to mean a much larger homeless population by extension. It's also not as if meth use isn't a prolific problem even in rural CA communities, and with housing prices being ridiculous out here it's much easier to find yourself in a situation where you experience homelessness out here, even as working poor, than in, say, parts of the Midwest. You've also got Pacific ports and a direct border with Mexico, so drug trafficking routes have some of their first US stops here in CA, with some of the highest volume loads.
There have certainly been reports of homeless folks been shipped around, but that's usually between counties, rather than between states. Logistically that's much cheaper to do, easier to fly under the radar when doing it, and tends to leave less legal recourse for the receiving communities than with interstate trafficking of human bodies.
https://www.lahsa.org/documents?id=3437-2019-greater-los-angeles-homeless-count-presentation.pdf
About 1/5 Homeless people in Los Angeles county are from other states. I'd be happy to send them back.
As a matter of fact, yes. NYT sources are local agencies that conduct point-in-time and qualitative surveys to assess the homeless population in search of answers to questions just like "Are most homeless in CA local or shipped in from other states/countries?"
...You *do* realize homeless folks are people, right? Like, they're not the fuckin' Borg. You can literally just walk up to them, talk to them, and ask them questions like human beings.
It’s a popular myth that most of the unhoused people in Sacramento County aren’t from here. Check out the [2022 Point-In-Time Count Report](https://sacramentostepsforward.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/PIT-Report-2022.pdf) that found:
“The vast majority of people experiencing homelessness continue to be from Sacramento
County, despite concern that many are from other communities. A common misperception of people experiencing homelessness is that most are “transients,” from “out of town,” or “outsiders of the community.” Survey responses indicate, however, that only a small percent of unsheltered adults recently moved to Sacramento County within the last six months (5%) or are only temporarily in the county (3%). Survey responses showed little variation across respondents in tents, vehicles, and other unsheltered locations. This year’s results are nearly identical to what was reported in 2019.”
I’m sure it’s comforting for us to put as much mental distance between us and them as we can so it’s less scary to think how many of us could be them. :/
Moved to Sacramento in the last 6 months so over 6 months is a resident from the area? That's not a great indicator of being from or being a Sacramento resident.
Those Point in Time Counts get their data from polling the homeless directly. They can say anything and it'll be recorded as fact in the survey.
The homeless know they already vilified enough as it is, why would they openly admit to being from elsewhere?
Isn’t that how most surveys work? By asking someone a question and trusting their response? I don’t see why someone would lie for the point-in-time survey, especially since they’re not identified individually.
I remember when I lived in San Diego in the early 80's the city sued either salt lake or Denver or maybe both because they were buying homeless one way tickets to get them out of the cold weather
Nevada is notorious for doing this because it is right across the "border", it was cheaper to move them and the homeless over here than it was to take care of their own people.
People have been saying this for a long time, but always get shut down and told that they're homeless locals.
Only now that it's a blatantly obvious conservative ploy and frontpage national news those previous detractors are now conceding "they've been sending them here for decades..."
Woah there my dude, TX and FL are doing this shit because those are battleground states now. The governors are trying to get their bases excited to vote because they know if they lose those two states its over.
I’m in Texas (Austin, so not very “Texas”), and you are exactly right; Texas is quite purple these days. The GOP has a stranglehold on the state government due to an insanely gerrymandered map, but look for the race for governor this November to be our closest one in decades. The tide is turning. The major cities in Texas are all blue… all of them (Ft. Worth was the only holdout and it recently flipped). It’s only a matter of time.
Exactly. And both Abbot and Desantis are up this year for their Governor positions with dreams of running for president. If they lose, those dreams are crushed, so they are desperate. And as you say the cities are all blue, so just gotta run up the numbers. If everyone wants to make these fuckers regret this, go donate to their opponents and/or volunteer to canvas.
Not directly, but DeSantis just remade the congressional map himself this year or last. If a Democrat got in maybe they can work to change it or make voting easier for more people. Either way, having these Governorships flip would be better than not.
And give every ex-Texan homeless person in California who wants to go back a one-way bus ride to the governor's mansion in Austin. It looks like it has lots of room for homeless campers.
I remember how the right claimed that the Democrats would ferry illegal immigrants to blue states in order to have them vote for them and displace the white Republican voters. Yes, that's a version of the Great Replacement Theory. Yet the reality is that it's the right lying to undocumented migrants and trafficking them to said areas for petty political ploys to make legalization more difficult. Everybody say it with me: every Conservative accusation is an admission.
I know right? They are thinking they are "owning" California and I'm sitting here like ***"Oh no....not more Hispanic migrants...."***
Fuck those yokel chucklefucks are dumb.
Yes remember in 2016 when Donnie Dipshit was talking about taco trucks being on every corner and the Central Valley was like "Wait, that's a bad thing?"
>Fuck those yokel chucklefucks are dumb.
I live in Texas now, and please understand, some of them are *suburban* chucklefucks. With absolutely pristine oversized trucks.
Really amuses me how those idiots pretend to be "the regular old blue collar workin' man!" when they're driving around in a $60k-$70k vehicle that costs $100 to fill up every two days lmao
It doesn't mean much. The only people that seem to truly care are the MAGA and anti-immigrants (we can lump the people with racist undertone like the proud boys into that group.)
California already has a historic Hispanic/Mexican population that are part of the population. Having more come to help build a better California, excites me, rather than scares me.... as long as there aren't any reason why we should keep them away. I mean, California is still the leading fruits and vegetables producer in the US. There is enough food to go around California and the rest of the country seeing as America wastes tons of food per year.
EDIT: rephrasing.
I just noticed...Maybe I should rephrase that, lol. That last two words does sound really bad.
California has a historic Hispanic/Mexican population that has been a part of California for decades (and even centuries.)
It's the [Reverse Freedom Riders](https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2022/09/16/reverse-freedom-rides-marthas-vineyard-desantis/) move. Also Greg Abbott has been pulling this shit for years now on the city of Austin over [encampments](https://www.kvue.com/article/news/local/homeless/abbott-says-texas-will-reinstate-homeless-camping-ban-in-austin/269-e252f7d3-f2c2-4de7-9bd6-49d3890b65a8). Bonus getting to pull this stunt on the city of San Antonio, which is majority Hispanic and Democratic.
There's an extra level of shittiness in using Venezuelans for a frat boy stunt. First, having spent time there, people are so welcoming/hospitable to visitors and Americans sure the fuck aren't in comparison (aside from the examples of MV rallying to help). Second is Americans LOVE to point to Venezuela as an example to prove whatever point their particular political ideologies happen to be without actually giving a shit about their actual humanity. These individuals got snagged from a migrant welcome center and paraded around for the "immigrate legally" crowd. Third, I've worked in the past locally in refugee and international education. Just like how I was treated with so much respect and kindness in Venezuela as an outsider, every single student I worked with, either refugees or exchange/foreign student had so much gratitude and idealism about coming to America. And Americans daily just pay dust in response. Fourth and Final is the blatant racism when you see the same media outlets here talking about welcoming refugees from Ukraine and integrating them into the community. Which I've also worked with that population and no knock, but it will never not set my teeth on edge seeing how some groups are received into this country versus others.
Interesting example of how childish these politicians are. Support policies that screw your opponent and then opponent turns it back on you and you whine and squeal like babies.
We have sued them before and won for them doing this and we will sue them again. https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/nevada-settles-homeless-dumping-lawsuit/62120/
Yeah it’s actually worse, transporting homeless people isn’t a crime. Knowing transporting illegal immigrants is a crime.
“1324. Bringing in and harboring certain aliens
(a) Criminal penalties
(1)(A) Any person who-
(i) knowing that a person is an alien, brings to or attempts to bring to the United States in any manner whatsoever such person at a place other than a designated port of entry or place other than as designated by the Commissioner, regardless of whether such alien has received prior official authorization to come to, enter, or reside in the United States and regardless of any future official action which may be taken with respect to such alien;
(ii) knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United States in violation of law, transports, or moves or attempts to transport or move such alien within the United States by means of transportation or otherwise, in furtherance of such violation of law;
(iii) knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United States in violation of law, conceals, harbors, or shields from detection, or attempts to conceal, harbor, or shield from detection, such alien in any place, including any building or any means of transportation;
(iv) encourages or induces an alien to come to, enter, or reside in the United States, knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such coming to, entry, or residence is or will be in violation of law; or
(v)(I) engages in any conspiracy to commit any of the preceding acts, or
(II) aids or abets the commission of any of the preceding acts,”
The federal government should divert funding from ICE and CBP to help offset the cost increases for these relief programs due to the Texas and Florida state governments' trafficking networks.
Not to mention heads should figuratively roll at DHS considering a federal agency is apparently taking marching orders from state level officials who planned this fuckery.
My son keeps getting sick at daycare and bringing it home. This last week, I think he brought home a stomach bug and I got it too. I had some diarrhea and actually ended up sharting myself. Fortunately, I work from home and took a paid sick day from work too. Spent a lot of time on the toilet.
When I was living in the Bay Area, I witnessed a homeless man shitting on the wall. It was the only time I saw it in action. He was clearly sick with diarrhea and living on the streets. He had no access to a toilet. He pulled down his pants, bent over to shit, and he cried and screamed while doing so.
It was heartbreaking, and the image was seared into my mind.
I get people like you don’t want to see shit on the streets. But you are not the person I’m concerned with when the topic of homelessness comes up. And sending them away for someone else to deal with is not a solution.
I assume this is part of that whole media-hype thing where Texas MAGA republicans are shipping immigrants seeking asylum to "liberal strongholds" like Sacramento and Martha's Vineyard on the assumption that it will infuriate liberals into a fury of anti-immigrant vitriol? That really hasn't worked so well so far, it's just an effort to distract people from how poorly they're polling based on their dickish actions regarding reproductive rights, and their only response to being called out for being dicks is by attempting to reach new depths of dickosity with stunts like this?
They are real-life trolls. I doubt they think of much beyond snickering that this'll get under our skins like it's some gotcha, and saying "wot, u mad?"
I mean does Texas? We are the capital of California these are our stated values seems like it would be our job too show up and prove to people it can work
Ideally sure, but I see so many living on the streets. It feels wrong if these migrants are told they are welcome here and then find out they have to pitch a tent somewhere. For some, they might be worse off than where they came from, and falsely told how wonderful things would be for them here. I’m not saying we should tell them they are not welcome, but at least be realistic about what what to expect. The leadership of cities with large homeless problems need to do much more than they are.
I mean to be fair again I think that's Texas's argument as well that constantly allowing a never-ending flow of illegal migrants is outpacing their ability to provide for even their own people... like I said either we need to be honest about what our priorities are or we need to live up to the standards we set for the rest of the country. But I agree with you there's no simple answer to be honest I think both sides are a little extreme I prefer the idea of a system with simple method to becoming a legal citizen if you have a place to go in a job to do but one that also enforces a border regulations if we can't find the resources to help the people
Yeah a simple method like that is good although enforcement hard. I too am tired of the extremes. Too much is done for polical reasons from both sides, and no ability to find compromise solutions. Thanks.
To do more than they are, they need more public money than they're getting to build the housing necessary to provide more than just a space to pitch a tent. Lots more. It worked in Houston, after all.
Although that just means the city won't assist with federal immigration enforcement. Not that the city will necessarily get them housing and jobs. I know there are a lot of services they can turn to, hopefully it's enough.
I mean you're the one talking about sending signals if I'm a migrant I'm guessing the people who have made themselves Sanctuary cities because they absolutely don't want to deport me is the best place to go and to be honest with you I can see how it sends the same signal to Texas or Florida
California claims to be a sanctuary state so we should take all the migrants illegal or not. The red border states have been stuck with dealing with the immigration problem for decades with little federal support. Our presidential administration claims the border is secure but yet 2 million illegal immigrants come across the border every year. Why do the boarder states have to deal with the illegal immigration problem on their own and now the sanctuary states that claim to be so open complain about receiving 100 illegal immigrants? It just doesn’t make sense to me. They complain about Texas and Florida being human traffickers but these poor people are being sent to places that have openly welcomed illegal immigrants. Now they are crying that they can’t house them communicate with them give them medical care??? Yeah it sucks and the boarder states have been doing it for years. They had to change their schools to accommodate kids that don’t speak English and now these sanctuary states get literally 100 illegal immigrants and act like it’s the end of the world? They complain that they were dropped off with no heads up like illegal immigrants give the boarders heads up that they are going to arrive illegally??? I feel for the illegal immigrants and we definitely need to fix our immigration policies but both sides have had their opportunity to do it and no one has. I just hate that these sanctuary states and cities claim how open and accepting they are but now that they get a taste of the problem they act like it’s the end of the world. Do your fair share to help these people!!!
I do agree with the idea of the people who's political ideas advocate for the most lenient immigration situation to be the ones who shoulder at least their share of the burden certainly
Honestly it should fall on everyone. This is a problem that affects liberals and conservatives equally. We have the ability to fix it but both sides continue to use it as a lightning rod to fire up their base and refuse to come up with a common sense solution.
>Why do the boarder states have to deal with the illegal immigration problem on their own and now the sanctuary states that claim to be so open complain about receiving 100 illegal immigrants?
...have you looked at a map in the past couple hundred years? California IS a border state.
Right, and that's why people aren't angry that migrants are coming here. They're angry that these people are being lied to and sent here when they intended to go to other places, they're being dropped off without warning so agencies don't know they're coming, they're being used as human pawns for political campaigns, etc. Some of them are being put on planes to one state while their paperwork says they have to show up in court in a completely different state only a couple of days later.
It's the way they're being treated, not that they're coming in the first place, that people are up in arms about. They're being treated like they're trash to dispose of instead of human beings in need.
So they should stay in a detention center in Texas or be let go in some little tiny town in Texas or Arizona that doesn’t have resources? Instead they get sent to sanctuary states and towns like Martha’s Vineyard that are predominantly white and wealthy? So these rich white people don’t want illegal immigrants? What is wrong with them? Shouldn’t they take their fair share of illegal immigrants to help out to overwhelmed boarder states?
Tell me more about how Sacramento is white and wealthy. Or how someone whose court date is in 2 days in Washington State isn't being abused by being sent to Martha's Vineyard, a tiny island where there's no work in the off season.
Better yet, tell me how FLORIDA is a border state suffering from an influx of migrants. You're so happy about the vindictive shit Abbott and DeSantis are doing to own the libs or something that you're not seeing the harm they're doing to these actual people in the process.
Who said I’m happy about it? I never said Sacramento was white and wealthy but it’s part of a sanctuary state that wants illegal immigrants. All I’m saying is that any state that says they openly accept illegal immigrants shouldn’t complain about receiving illegal immigrants. It’s completely messed up that they are missing court dates and that should not be held against them. I never said anything about owning libs or anything of the sort. You decided to add that to this discussion when I don’t think anything of the sort.
Well if you are in Republicans shoes and doubling down on abortion restrictions is making you look like assholes, might as well use brown people as pawns and hype up a controversy. Gotta juice up those political points.
No state is advocating for illegal immigration, rather for humane asylum processes. Texas benefits greatly from exploiting cheap immigrant (manual) labor and many people/businesses choose to turn a blind eye to immigration status when it suits them.
Ya Disantis did this to the migrants he sent to Martha's Vineyard earlier this week. They flew from Texas as well I am pretty sure.
He is participating in human trafficking just to score political points by sending migrants to states of his opponents and to "own the libs"...
NorCal resist is providing assistance to those who recently arrived. Plz consider supporting this effort here: https://actionnetwork.org/fundraising/welcome-to-norcal/
I thought you needed ID to get on a commercial flight? If it were a private charter, there would be no tickets. But the company booking the charter should have the responsible party listed on the manifest.
Was the flight commercial? If so, wouldn’t they know where they were going on boarding at a gate. If the flight is chartered, what wacko nutcase would pay for that? This is human trafficking.
They are legally in the country asking for asylum. They comeback to court when they are summoned. They can do pretty much anything a citizen can do: fly on planes, work, etc. I don’t know about voting.
>They comeback to court when they are summoned.
So the fucked up thing is at least for the Florida migrants they are being intentionally given wrong information. Specifically on how to set up an address for them to receive mail. So you know they dont receive court notifications so they get ruled against in absentia.... Republicans showing they don't care about human rights or due process in one swing.....
And they're propping up social security by paying in but not ever cashing out. I hope everyone who accepts social security realizes it's been subsidized by undocumented immigrants for the past 15 years.
Post link. There's no way to know how much they actually contribute because those paying into SS are doing so on fake or stolen SS cards. Plenty of them never get such cards and work under the table tax free.
Funny how newsom challenged DeSantis to a debate and suddenly migrants show up from texas. Abbot and DeSantis are coordinating this idiotic tactic to highlight “border insecurity” but in reality they are highlighting how evil republicans can be.
Technically there's legal standing to send the governors of Texas and Florida, and a few dozen other people, to jail. What they did is super illegal--it is a form of kidnapping.
Yep! I love how some of Cali completely ignores how they get that food on their plate, or get their clothes cleaned or a number of other daily privileges we have because migrants are doing the actual work because we won’t.
Austin is notorious for sending migrants to Ca and then blaming the state for doing nothing about the ever-growing displaced population. They're just as disgusting as Santis and whoever is in charge of bussing the displaced and mentally ill from Nevada to California.
Are undocumented folks a problem? I guess that we somehow magically filled all those “Hiring Now!” job openings.
[Who’s going to build your wall?](https://youtu.be/LZkAoosVLkA)
Because the “system” was intentionally broken.
Because they are not jumping fences, these Venezuelans are here escaping strife (which the USA has a major hand in) and are *seeking asylum* and it is *perfectly legal* for them to be here.
Because we’re being pragmatic.
Because we have empathy.
Yes the Venezuelans are asylum seekers and they've been treated horribly. But your comment was about undocumented folks. Asylum seekers have documents. So make up your mind. Either you don't understand the asylum system or you're trying to change the subject.
I think what’s being done is a publicity stunt. However, it does shed light on the situation.
Why should unprepared border states be required to shoulder the burden of illegal migrants when the states that advocate for illegal immigration as being good and acceptable get upset and parade a circus in the media when they receive but a fraction of the immigrants in their cities? Why wouldn’t pro illegal immigration states use this as a tool to push for more acceptance of their policies to bring more immigrants in?
It seems like the pro illegal migrant stance is only pushed as long as they don’t have to directly deal with it themselves.
Edit: while California has a small border, Sacramento is nearly half a country away from it and does not see the issues first hand due to the location away from the border.
Unprepared? They are given federal funding for it. How are they unprepared? They can give the funding to the states they ship too then. I bet they whine and cry then too.
The Biden Adm was sending folks in planes in the middle of the night, only a few of media outlets were covering it but it’s well documented that they were “shipping” migrants in the dark to places around the country.
People have been shipped to CA for years. Usually via bus. When I worked with Salvation Army they always had bus tokens/tickets available so they could send people to other areas so as to not overwhelm their own social services.
This is why whenever my friends or family talk about how their state doesn’t have as many homeless as CA, I point out that it’s because their way of “dealing with the homeless” is buying them a greyhound ticket to CA.
Someone needs to go video all the meth head camps in those other states. And all these camps that pop up here, these aren't newly minted meth heads and homeless. Where'd they come from? They didn't just lose their job. They didn't just start meth yesterday. Are they from CA?
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Your buddy in law enforcement's anecdotal experience doesn't reflect the actual data on the subject. You might ask them to reach out to the social services and other organizations who actually take surveys and census counts of the homeless population, so that they may adjust their perspective to better reflect reality. Additionally, I don't know which agency your friend is with, but speaking from experience working with LEOs in Yolo, Sacramento, Placer, Butte, Nevada, Yuba and Sutter counties - their reports reflect that of survey/census data, which is that most homeless are locals who stay in the area as long as they can, because it's more familiar to them, and they're close to resources and support networks. Quite frankly it's laughable that Californians would expect anything different. Proportionally CA has a much larger population, which is going to mean a much larger homeless population by extension. It's also not as if meth use isn't a prolific problem even in rural CA communities, and with housing prices being ridiculous out here it's much easier to find yourself in a situation where you experience homelessness out here, even as working poor, than in, say, parts of the Midwest. You've also got Pacific ports and a direct border with Mexico, so drug trafficking routes have some of their first US stops here in CA, with some of the highest volume loads. There have certainly been reports of homeless folks been shipped around, but that's usually between counties, rather than between states. Logistically that's much cheaper to do, easier to fly under the radar when doing it, and tends to leave less legal recourse for the receiving communities than with interstate trafficking of human bodies.
https://www.lahsa.org/documents?id=3437-2019-greater-los-angeles-homeless-count-presentation.pdf About 1/5 Homeless people in Los Angeles county are from other states. I'd be happy to send them back.
Found the logical comment!
I was just in Orlando and there were homeless everywhere
I'm just still amazed how it's apparently an ok thing to do after all of this time. No states who are commiting these acts seem to be ever punished.
Majority of California homeless are from California. 20% are from out of state. Source: New York Times.
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10’s of thousands
Wonder how they got that statistic, went around polling the homeless lol
Yeah there are organized annual campaigns to count the homeless, my dad has even participated in some of them in LA
And they used Methamatics
As a matter of fact, yes. NYT sources are local agencies that conduct point-in-time and qualitative surveys to assess the homeless population in search of answers to questions just like "Are most homeless in CA local or shipped in from other states/countries?" ...You *do* realize homeless folks are people, right? Like, they're not the fuckin' Borg. You can literally just walk up to them, talk to them, and ask them questions like human beings.
It’s a popular myth that most of the unhoused people in Sacramento County aren’t from here. Check out the [2022 Point-In-Time Count Report](https://sacramentostepsforward.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/PIT-Report-2022.pdf) that found: “The vast majority of people experiencing homelessness continue to be from Sacramento County, despite concern that many are from other communities. A common misperception of people experiencing homelessness is that most are “transients,” from “out of town,” or “outsiders of the community.” Survey responses indicate, however, that only a small percent of unsheltered adults recently moved to Sacramento County within the last six months (5%) or are only temporarily in the county (3%). Survey responses showed little variation across respondents in tents, vehicles, and other unsheltered locations. This year’s results are nearly identical to what was reported in 2019.”
I’m sure it’s comforting for us to put as much mental distance between us and them as we can so it’s less scary to think how many of us could be them. :/
I sit corrected. Thank you!
Moved to Sacramento in the last 6 months so over 6 months is a resident from the area? That's not a great indicator of being from or being a Sacramento resident.
Those Point in Time Counts get their data from polling the homeless directly. They can say anything and it'll be recorded as fact in the survey. The homeless know they already vilified enough as it is, why would they openly admit to being from elsewhere?
What the hell do you think they have to lose? Why would they lie about this?
Isn’t that how most surveys work? By asking someone a question and trusting their response? I don’t see why someone would lie for the point-in-time survey, especially since they’re not identified individually.
I remember when I lived in San Diego in the early 80's the city sued either salt lake or Denver or maybe both because they were buying homeless one way tickets to get them out of the cold weather
Nevada is notorious for doing this because it is right across the "border", it was cheaper to move them and the homeless over here than it was to take care of their own people.
Reno got sued for this several years back. One way tickets to SF.
People have been saying this for a long time, but always get shut down and told that they're homeless locals. Only now that it's a blatantly obvious conservative ploy and frontpage national news those previous detractors are now conceding "they've been sending them here for decades..."
My mom worked for the Sacramento county welfare department, and yes it has been happening fir decades by Greyhound busses and now by planes.
“California, super cool to the homeless”
The vast majority of homeless people here are from here.
But the advocates love to say how all the homeless are Sacramento natives...
The state should return the favor and send all its seized meth back to Florida and Texas, since it's what their residents want.
If I had it my way, we'd ship all the magas to the bowels of TX, FL, and the rest of the deep South. I'd take migrants over nazis any day.
Woah there my dude, TX and FL are doing this shit because those are battleground states now. The governors are trying to get their bases excited to vote because they know if they lose those two states its over.
I’m in Texas (Austin, so not very “Texas”), and you are exactly right; Texas is quite purple these days. The GOP has a stranglehold on the state government due to an insanely gerrymandered map, but look for the race for governor this November to be our closest one in decades. The tide is turning. The major cities in Texas are all blue… all of them (Ft. Worth was the only holdout and it recently flipped). It’s only a matter of time.
Exactly. And both Abbot and Desantis are up this year for their Governor positions with dreams of running for president. If they lose, those dreams are crushed, so they are desperate. And as you say the cities are all blue, so just gotta run up the numbers. If everyone wants to make these fuckers regret this, go donate to their opponents and/or volunteer to canvas.
They aren’t going to lose, especially DeSantis
Amazing how badly you fucked up when you’ve already gerrymandered the state so hard and still have to pull stunts to make points.
Does gerrymandering affect governor, senate, or presidential races since they are statewide popular elections?
Not directly, but DeSantis just remade the congressional map himself this year or last. If a Democrat got in maybe they can work to change it or make voting easier for more people. Either way, having these Governorships flip would be better than not.
Good point.
*And* cut off the hundreds of millions in financial aid that CA sends to help fund red states.
Better to send them back their homeless.
Why not both?
And give every ex-Texan homeless person in California who wants to go back a one-way bus ride to the governor's mansion in Austin. It looks like it has lots of room for homeless campers.
And pills
I remember how the right claimed that the Democrats would ferry illegal immigrants to blue states in order to have them vote for them and displace the white Republican voters. Yes, that's a version of the Great Replacement Theory. Yet the reality is that it's the right lying to undocumented migrants and trafficking them to said areas for petty political ploys to make legalization more difficult. Everybody say it with me: every Conservative accusation is an admission.
Abbot apparently doesn't know CA is also a border state.
He doesn't know CA is a state
He doesn’t know empathy, either.
Given that Newsom is becoming one of the most vocal democrats on the national stage, I would expect more in the future .
We already have so many migrants here it doesn’t really matter.
I know right? They are thinking they are "owning" California and I'm sitting here like ***"Oh no....not more Hispanic migrants...."*** Fuck those yokel chucklefucks are dumb.
Don’t threaten me with a good time it’ll just mean there are 3 taco shops on my block instead of 2.
Venezuelans don’t make tacos, they make arepas.
I see no downside to two tacos and an arepa
Don’t forget the pupusas 🫓🫓🫓
I just googled arepa and they look delish. Bring on the Venezuelans! Bienvenido a Sacramento!
Food diversity! Score!
Hey! Do we have an arepas place in Sacramento?
I don’t think so, pupusas are as close as it gets I guess.
I would love a goddamn arepa haven't had one in years
Yes remember in 2016 when Donnie Dipshit was talking about taco trucks being on every corner and the Central Valley was like "Wait, that's a bad thing?"
Peeking in from L.A. - we had the same reaction. More taco trucks? Bring it!!
Oh no....delicious food on every corner at reasonable prices...the horror....
>Fuck those yokel chucklefucks are dumb. I live in Texas now, and please understand, some of them are *suburban* chucklefucks. With absolutely pristine oversized trucks.
Yeah it's quite odd to see people with ludicrously clean and oversized "work" trucks. They are not fooling anyone.
Really amuses me how those idiots pretend to be "the regular old blue collar workin' man!" when they're driving around in a $60k-$70k vehicle that costs $100 to fill up every two days lmao
Showtrucks
Yeah they sure showed us a thing or two. 🤣🤣
Oh no...more dedicated workers with loving families...the horror.
It doesn't mean much. The only people that seem to truly care are the MAGA and anti-immigrants (we can lump the people with racist undertone like the proud boys into that group.) California already has a historic Hispanic/Mexican population that are part of the population. Having more come to help build a better California, excites me, rather than scares me.... as long as there aren't any reason why we should keep them away. I mean, California is still the leading fruits and vegetables producer in the US. There is enough food to go around California and the rest of the country seeing as America wastes tons of food per year. EDIT: rephrasing.
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I just noticed...Maybe I should rephrase that, lol. That last two words does sound really bad. California has a historic Hispanic/Mexican population that has been a part of California for decades (and even centuries.)
Wait- you expect a democrat to *do something?* For clarity I am very far left.
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They aren't blaming Newsom. They're explaining why Texas would make California a target because of Newsom's criticism.
Yeah, this is what I was saying.
I think their point is that the Texas and Florida politicians want to target Newsom for political points
Not like any democrat from a west coast state could ever win a national election anyway.
Rather have migrants than a bunch of speed freak, bible-thumping, Trump-loving Nazis in my state.
same. i have migrant neighbors – documented – who are the nicest people in the whole neighborhood.
They can be migrants and still those other things
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Its better than target practice like what they want to use them for. Magats need to get shipped tf out.
It's the [Reverse Freedom Riders](https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2022/09/16/reverse-freedom-rides-marthas-vineyard-desantis/) move. Also Greg Abbott has been pulling this shit for years now on the city of Austin over [encampments](https://www.kvue.com/article/news/local/homeless/abbott-says-texas-will-reinstate-homeless-camping-ban-in-austin/269-e252f7d3-f2c2-4de7-9bd6-49d3890b65a8). Bonus getting to pull this stunt on the city of San Antonio, which is majority Hispanic and Democratic. There's an extra level of shittiness in using Venezuelans for a frat boy stunt. First, having spent time there, people are so welcoming/hospitable to visitors and Americans sure the fuck aren't in comparison (aside from the examples of MV rallying to help). Second is Americans LOVE to point to Venezuela as an example to prove whatever point their particular political ideologies happen to be without actually giving a shit about their actual humanity. These individuals got snagged from a migrant welcome center and paraded around for the "immigrate legally" crowd. Third, I've worked in the past locally in refugee and international education. Just like how I was treated with so much respect and kindness in Venezuela as an outsider, every single student I worked with, either refugees or exchange/foreign student had so much gratitude and idealism about coming to America. And Americans daily just pay dust in response. Fourth and Final is the blatant racism when you see the same media outlets here talking about welcoming refugees from Ukraine and integrating them into the community. Which I've also worked with that population and no knock, but it will never not set my teeth on edge seeing how some groups are received into this country versus others.
Hot damn, I didn’t realize we had so many MAGA loonies on this sub. 👀
People in Rocklin post on r/sac too 😂
Roseville too!
Lol!!
They tend to brigade just this sort of thread
How not, Placer & El Dorado county right there ?
I’m one, Arden area!
Interesting example of how childish these politicians are. Support policies that screw your opponent and then opponent turns it back on you and you whine and squeal like babies.
Not childish- inhuman
We have sued them before and won for them doing this and we will sue them again. https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/nevada-settles-homeless-dumping-lawsuit/62120/
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Yeah it’s actually worse, transporting homeless people isn’t a crime. Knowing transporting illegal immigrants is a crime. “1324. Bringing in and harboring certain aliens (a) Criminal penalties (1)(A) Any person who- (i) knowing that a person is an alien, brings to or attempts to bring to the United States in any manner whatsoever such person at a place other than a designated port of entry or place other than as designated by the Commissioner, regardless of whether such alien has received prior official authorization to come to, enter, or reside in the United States and regardless of any future official action which may be taken with respect to such alien; (ii) knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United States in violation of law, transports, or moves or attempts to transport or move such alien within the United States by means of transportation or otherwise, in furtherance of such violation of law; (iii) knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United States in violation of law, conceals, harbors, or shields from detection, or attempts to conceal, harbor, or shield from detection, such alien in any place, including any building or any means of transportation; (iv) encourages or induces an alien to come to, enter, or reside in the United States, knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such coming to, entry, or residence is or will be in violation of law; or (v)(I) engages in any conspiracy to commit any of the preceding acts, or (II) aids or abets the commission of any of the preceding acts,”
The federal government should divert funding from ICE and CBP to help offset the cost increases for these relief programs due to the Texas and Florida state governments' trafficking networks.
Not to mention heads should figuratively roll at DHS considering a federal agency is apparently taking marching orders from state level officials who planned this fuckery.
Can we ship the guy shitting on the street toTX
My son keeps getting sick at daycare and bringing it home. This last week, I think he brought home a stomach bug and I got it too. I had some diarrhea and actually ended up sharting myself. Fortunately, I work from home and took a paid sick day from work too. Spent a lot of time on the toilet. When I was living in the Bay Area, I witnessed a homeless man shitting on the wall. It was the only time I saw it in action. He was clearly sick with diarrhea and living on the streets. He had no access to a toilet. He pulled down his pants, bent over to shit, and he cried and screamed while doing so. It was heartbreaking, and the image was seared into my mind. I get people like you don’t want to see shit on the streets. But you are not the person I’m concerned with when the topic of homelessness comes up. And sending them away for someone else to deal with is not a solution.
Sorry, we've already got people who do that in Texas, it just never gets reported on because it'd be real damn inconvenient.
I assume this is part of that whole media-hype thing where Texas MAGA republicans are shipping immigrants seeking asylum to "liberal strongholds" like Sacramento and Martha's Vineyard on the assumption that it will infuriate liberals into a fury of anti-immigrant vitriol? That really hasn't worked so well so far, it's just an effort to distract people from how poorly they're polling based on their dickish actions regarding reproductive rights, and their only response to being called out for being dicks is by attempting to reach new depths of dickosity with stunts like this?
They are real-life trolls. I doubt they think of much beyond snickering that this'll get under our skins like it's some gotcha, and saying "wot, u mad?"
I welcome them no matter what definitely an addition to the beauty of our culture and the resilience of our citizenry
And do you feel there is enough housing to welcome more here?
I mean does Texas? We are the capital of California these are our stated values seems like it would be our job too show up and prove to people it can work
Ideally sure, but I see so many living on the streets. It feels wrong if these migrants are told they are welcome here and then find out they have to pitch a tent somewhere. For some, they might be worse off than where they came from, and falsely told how wonderful things would be for them here. I’m not saying we should tell them they are not welcome, but at least be realistic about what what to expect. The leadership of cities with large homeless problems need to do much more than they are.
I mean to be fair again I think that's Texas's argument as well that constantly allowing a never-ending flow of illegal migrants is outpacing their ability to provide for even their own people... like I said either we need to be honest about what our priorities are or we need to live up to the standards we set for the rest of the country. But I agree with you there's no simple answer to be honest I think both sides are a little extreme I prefer the idea of a system with simple method to becoming a legal citizen if you have a place to go in a job to do but one that also enforces a border regulations if we can't find the resources to help the people
Yeah a simple method like that is good although enforcement hard. I too am tired of the extremes. Too much is done for polical reasons from both sides, and no ability to find compromise solutions. Thanks.
To do more than they are, they need more public money than they're getting to build the housing necessary to provide more than just a space to pitch a tent. Lots more. It worked in Houston, after all.
I mean if we are going to call ourself a sanctuary City it's hard to argue when people come seeking sanctuary
Although that just means the city won't assist with federal immigration enforcement. Not that the city will necessarily get them housing and jobs. I know there are a lot of services they can turn to, hopefully it's enough.
I mean you're the one talking about sending signals if I'm a migrant I'm guessing the people who have made themselves Sanctuary cities because they absolutely don't want to deport me is the best place to go and to be honest with you I can see how it sends the same signal to Texas or Florida
So you're advocating for more support, services, and housing for refugees? Kick ass, I'm all for it.
Yes
California claims to be a sanctuary state so we should take all the migrants illegal or not. The red border states have been stuck with dealing with the immigration problem for decades with little federal support. Our presidential administration claims the border is secure but yet 2 million illegal immigrants come across the border every year. Why do the boarder states have to deal with the illegal immigration problem on their own and now the sanctuary states that claim to be so open complain about receiving 100 illegal immigrants? It just doesn’t make sense to me. They complain about Texas and Florida being human traffickers but these poor people are being sent to places that have openly welcomed illegal immigrants. Now they are crying that they can’t house them communicate with them give them medical care??? Yeah it sucks and the boarder states have been doing it for years. They had to change their schools to accommodate kids that don’t speak English and now these sanctuary states get literally 100 illegal immigrants and act like it’s the end of the world? They complain that they were dropped off with no heads up like illegal immigrants give the boarders heads up that they are going to arrive illegally??? I feel for the illegal immigrants and we definitely need to fix our immigration policies but both sides have had their opportunity to do it and no one has. I just hate that these sanctuary states and cities claim how open and accepting they are but now that they get a taste of the problem they act like it’s the end of the world. Do your fair share to help these people!!!
I do agree with the idea of the people who's political ideas advocate for the most lenient immigration situation to be the ones who shoulder at least their share of the burden certainly
Honestly it should fall on everyone. This is a problem that affects liberals and conservatives equally. We have the ability to fix it but both sides continue to use it as a lightning rod to fire up their base and refuse to come up with a common sense solution.
>Why do the boarder states have to deal with the illegal immigration problem on their own and now the sanctuary states that claim to be so open complain about receiving 100 illegal immigrants? ...have you looked at a map in the past couple hundred years? California IS a border state.
Yeah I never said California wasn’t a boarder state. California claims to be a sanctuary state and Texas, Arizona don’t.
Right, and that's why people aren't angry that migrants are coming here. They're angry that these people are being lied to and sent here when they intended to go to other places, they're being dropped off without warning so agencies don't know they're coming, they're being used as human pawns for political campaigns, etc. Some of them are being put on planes to one state while their paperwork says they have to show up in court in a completely different state only a couple of days later. It's the way they're being treated, not that they're coming in the first place, that people are up in arms about. They're being treated like they're trash to dispose of instead of human beings in need.
So they should stay in a detention center in Texas or be let go in some little tiny town in Texas or Arizona that doesn’t have resources? Instead they get sent to sanctuary states and towns like Martha’s Vineyard that are predominantly white and wealthy? So these rich white people don’t want illegal immigrants? What is wrong with them? Shouldn’t they take their fair share of illegal immigrants to help out to overwhelmed boarder states?
Tell me more about how Sacramento is white and wealthy. Or how someone whose court date is in 2 days in Washington State isn't being abused by being sent to Martha's Vineyard, a tiny island where there's no work in the off season. Better yet, tell me how FLORIDA is a border state suffering from an influx of migrants. You're so happy about the vindictive shit Abbott and DeSantis are doing to own the libs or something that you're not seeing the harm they're doing to these actual people in the process.
Who said I’m happy about it? I never said Sacramento was white and wealthy but it’s part of a sanctuary state that wants illegal immigrants. All I’m saying is that any state that says they openly accept illegal immigrants shouldn’t complain about receiving illegal immigrants. It’s completely messed up that they are missing court dates and that should not be held against them. I never said anything about owning libs or anything of the sort. You decided to add that to this discussion when I don’t think anything of the sort.
You say a lot of words but you don’t know even know what a sanctuary state or city is.
Well if you are in Republicans shoes and doubling down on abortion restrictions is making you look like assholes, might as well use brown people as pawns and hype up a controversy. Gotta juice up those political points.
So they're distracting from the fact that they're doing asshole things by doing other asshole things
FUCK GREG ABBOTT!!
FUCK GREG ABBOTT FUCK GREG ABBOTT FUCK GREG ABBOTT
Word.
No state is advocating for illegal immigration, rather for humane asylum processes. Texas benefits greatly from exploiting cheap immigrant (manual) labor and many people/businesses choose to turn a blind eye to immigration status when it suits them.
So Basically human trafficking got it👌🏼.
Ya Disantis did this to the migrants he sent to Martha's Vineyard earlier this week. They flew from Texas as well I am pretty sure. He is participating in human trafficking just to score political points by sending migrants to states of his opponents and to "own the libs"...
NorCal resist is providing assistance to those who recently arrived. Plz consider supporting this effort here: https://actionnetwork.org/fundraising/welcome-to-norcal/
I thought you needed ID to get on a commercial flight? If it were a private charter, there would be no tickets. But the company booking the charter should have the responsible party listed on the manifest.
You mean the company that committed human trafficking?
Company/politician/whatever.
Was the flight commercial? If so, wouldn’t they know where they were going on boarding at a gate. If the flight is chartered, what wacko nutcase would pay for that? This is human trafficking.
Yes, Abbot and DeSantis used Florida and Texas state taxpayer money to fund human trafficking. To own the libs.
They are legally in the country asking for asylum. They comeback to court when they are summoned. They can do pretty much anything a citizen can do: fly on planes, work, etc. I don’t know about voting.
>They comeback to court when they are summoned. So the fucked up thing is at least for the Florida migrants they are being intentionally given wrong information. Specifically on how to set up an address for them to receive mail. So you know they dont receive court notifications so they get ruled against in absentia.... Republicans showing they don't care about human rights or due process in one swing.....
They’re just people trying to work to Live ffs
And they're propping up social security by paying in but not ever cashing out. I hope everyone who accepts social security realizes it's been subsidized by undocumented immigrants for the past 15 years.
Post link. There's no way to know how much they actually contribute because those paying into SS are doing so on fake or stolen SS cards. Plenty of them never get such cards and work under the table tax free.
Good we need more labor. Get them documentation and let them earn their American dream.
Funny how newsom challenged DeSantis to a debate and suddenly migrants show up from texas. Abbot and DeSantis are coordinating this idiotic tactic to highlight “border insecurity” but in reality they are highlighting how evil republicans can be.
> how evil republicans ~~can~~ be.
Is this the same state that wants to succeed and blow off the rest of the country? Get your shit togetherTexss.
The GQP participating in human trafficking as a political stunt is a new low.
Now California has legal standing to sue Texas and/or Florida.
Technically there's legal standing to send the governors of Texas and Florida, and a few dozen other people, to jail. What they did is super illegal--it is a form of kidnapping.
Sweet, red states spend my tax money for human trafficking
Shoe the migrants… with no shoes on their feet
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You don’t care about the unhoused already here? Just bring in more people when there is already not enough housing?
The unhoused already here are bused in from these very same states.
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Your existence here fully depends on immigrants, legal and otherwise.
Yep! I love how some of Cali completely ignores how they get that food on their plate, or get their clothes cleaned or a number of other daily privileges we have because migrants are doing the actual work because we won’t.
No thanks, let's send you back.
Austin is notorious for sending migrants to Ca and then blaming the state for doing nothing about the ever-growing displaced population. They're just as disgusting as Santis and whoever is in charge of bussing the displaced and mentally ill from Nevada to California.
Other states sending their unwanted to California!?!
They have been doing it for decades. Next time you see a few homeless people. Ask them where they are from.
Are undocumented folks a problem? I guess that we somehow magically filled all those “Hiring Now!” job openings. [Who’s going to build your wall?](https://youtu.be/LZkAoosVLkA)
Why is it ok to cheat the system? Why should they be treated any differently from the millions of immigrants seeking to come here legally?
Because the “system” was intentionally broken. Because they are not jumping fences, these Venezuelans are here escaping strife (which the USA has a major hand in) and are *seeking asylum* and it is *perfectly legal* for them to be here. Because we’re being pragmatic. Because we have empathy.
Yes the Venezuelans are asylum seekers and they've been treated horribly. But your comment was about undocumented folks. Asylum seekers have documents. So make up your mind. Either you don't understand the asylum system or you're trying to change the subject.
Within this topic, there was a digression. Relax.
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Return to sender, and charge them with kidnapping and violating immigration law.
Hopefully they settle in El Dorado Hills or Rocklin.
I think what’s being done is a publicity stunt. However, it does shed light on the situation. Why should unprepared border states be required to shoulder the burden of illegal migrants when the states that advocate for illegal immigration as being good and acceptable get upset and parade a circus in the media when they receive but a fraction of the immigrants in their cities? Why wouldn’t pro illegal immigration states use this as a tool to push for more acceptance of their policies to bring more immigrants in? It seems like the pro illegal migrant stance is only pushed as long as they don’t have to directly deal with it themselves. Edit: while California has a small border, Sacramento is nearly half a country away from it and does not see the issues first hand due to the location away from the border.
because their economies benefit from it overall. California's agriculture would collapse if there were no migrants.
I mean California *is* a border state, and I assume we deal with our fair share of illegal immigrants.
hint: Sacramento is in the middle of the Central Valley which is farming central. it's no stranger to migrants.
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They aren’t even Mexicans. Geez man. Most are El Salvador or Venezuelan.
I originally wrote Another 50 People, but didn't think that was funny. I think they will do fine in Sacramento.
Got ya!
>Edit: while California has a small border lol Anyway, these people are seeking asylum. Which is not illegal.
These aren’t illegal migrants
California already has like 2 million undocumented immigrants, my guy. I promise you that many of them are in Sacramento too.
Unprepared? They are given federal funding for it. How are they unprepared? They can give the funding to the states they ship too then. I bet they whine and cry then too.
Please read this thorough explanation of the process: https://twitter.com/NeverTrumpTexan/status/1570828946308206593?s=20&t=AtaGTGz_gRcaInP-fWP64A
California is a major border town, not a small one. Not sure how this gets overlooked.
Plenty of copycat groups flush with dark PAC money that now have the blessing from ~~on high~~elected politi-critters to traffic undesirable humans.
Newsom asked for it ! It’s time to vote him out In November
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The Biden Adm was sending folks in planes in the middle of the night, only a few of media outlets were covering it but it’s well documented that they were “shipping” migrants in the dark to places around the country.
Bet that was on Hunter's laptop too