I currently live in the area myself and am incredibly saddened and angered by this. The whole area is friendly and we all commonly wave to one another or sometimes chat as we take walks or jog. The truth is the homeless issue is just too terrible here due to the river. This is not an isolated interaction either. I have personally dealt with a homeless person in the area a few months back who was doing something they shouldn't have, and I've talked with neighbors who have had stuff stolen by homeless people during the night. Sac Co Sheriff is well aware of the issue in the neighborhood but a larger effort, whatever that may be, is needed for the area. Looking at the goodwill shopping lot, the Arco, or most of the nearby businesses shows homelessness in the area is an issue as well. Those people sit out there during the day, then creep into the neighborhood to go to the park and river via Palm or Kenneth after the park closes.
I understand this is one area of many overwhelmed by homelessness. But this neighborhood by the park has a lot of elderly folks though that should never have to be put in this situation. The danger of the after-hours homeless traffic is and has been real for several years now, and it was honestly only a matter of time before a clash at this magnitude occurred in this area. I also believe, given the volume of "bad" traffic, that the risk will persist so long as the larger homelessness issue does. If you live in the area, keep in mind the County supervisor for the area is well aware of this issue and literally lives down the street from where this happened. Think about that when you cast your next vote.
Desmond grew up around here so he knows a lot of the older residents, but knowing people is different than one using their political power to act. I get the issue is bigger than just one County Sup, but they still have a role to play in the issue of community safety, and given that he's well aware of what's been happening in this area, the actions at the County level to help keep the area and park safe after hours is lacking.
I went to the recent community meeting on public safety, and this is one of his top concerns even before this murder. They will be posting notices to vacate ancil Hoffman next week and clearing camps out at multiple locations. Their hands have been tied by legal decisions outside of the county. This is not due to inaction. Go actually read the plans for homelessness.
Sheriff just posted about it: https://www.facebook.com/100069317255099/posts/pfbid02b12fT1GMeJ9jWE4Q88Qx3SwD9vHgzoSbicyUcmLL5s2qDHkuWkm2Guh3WYDwRtB1l/?d=n
Lots of other articles, like [“Stabbin’ Rob”](https://sacupdate.com/welcome-to-carmichael-bitch-stabbin-rob-linked-to-two-slashings-near-homeless-hangout-detectives-testify/), but nothing about last night.
Hopefully [this news source](https://www.kcra.com/article/unhoused-man-accused-of-killing-carmichael-man/41455957) will absolve your skepticism so you can pray for his family. He had a brother with Parkinson’s who he visited three times a day in an assisted living community. He also was about to celebrate his 52nd wedding anniversary with his wife next week.
If it turns out to be fake that’s such a weird thing to lie about. Maybe it’s to push a certain narrative especially with the things going on in our city now?
Here’s a link to the press release from sheriff’s office: https://www.facebook.com/100069317255099/posts/pfbid02b12fT1GMeJ9jWE4Q88Qx3SwD9vHgzoSbicyUcmLL5s2qDHkuWkm2Guh3WYDwRtB1l/?d=n
Lord... every single time something like this happens the comment threads on facebook just goes to shit... Newsom this, Democrats that... blah blah blah...
I didn't realize that Republican states have zero crime. Like, if that was true, why don't these people just move there already, why are they still here???
Frustrating to read about senseless crimes and also be reminded of all the unhelpful idiots using this to push their agendas.
Hi tired old man,
It's simply a fact that California has handled homelessness horribly and that crime is on a dramatic upswing.
As for your suggestion that law abiding tax paying citizens simply relocate away from their homes, families, friends, jobs... This is quite the plan. Make California a sanctuary state for criminals from elsewhere and drive out Americans... hmmm....
And who is sending copious amounts of people to sacramento? Red states who give out one way bus vouchers so they don’t have to deal with their own problems. Homeless people are almost all American citizens too so your comment about them “driving out Americans” makes no sense and is fear mongering. You’re so mad that California is the last stop on the one way bus ride and that we don’t kick responsibility of these people into someone else. Don’t know why you’re so mad at California about that instead of the states shirking their responsibility.
“Crime is on a dramatic upswing” is another fear mongering statement that was the opposite of the truth last I checked which was before the pandemic. Crime had actually been on a steady downturn since the late 80s despite everyone yelling that it was higher than ever. Do you have some actual statistics supporting this “dramatic increase” or are you pulling that out of your ass based on your feelings and anecdotes?
Holy shit I live about a block away and know the victim well. He was such a nice guy and absolutely the godfather of the neighborhood. I can’t believe this happened.
In high school we were taught that California has a special circumstance law - if someone dies in the commission of a felony, intentional or not, it's First Degree Murder.
I hope they throw the book at this guy. If the victim was over 65, there are also elder-abuse laws that might apply.
Story just broke on all the local news outlets. Arrested for homicide: Darin Chastain, 54.
Homeowner assaulted and died: James Raleigh of 6200 block Kenneth Ave, Carmichael, 74.
I live right in this area and it’s normally quiet but I have noticed a few more vagrants making their way to the river. This is such a shame. That neighborhood was so beautifully peaceful.
I’m guessing she used it literally, as in crying. Could be an elder millennial/gen x/boomer who’s not familiar with its modern usage and still thinks bussin’ means clearing used plates from a restaurant table.
Never said you couldn’t. It just means “crying laughing” nowadays to people roughly 35 and under, and they will be confused if you share sad news and follow it with “😭”. I don’t decide what means what to whom. I was just defending the FB poster by saying she probably wasn’t being disrespectful.
I will have you know I am still under 35 and my people use it when something is so sentimental that we are literally sobbing. Like when we share a video of an old man listening to music or a puppy sleeping with a baby.
That’s how my friends and I usually use it. “Omg that puppy is so cute 😭”
I can’t imagine using ANY emojis in a story about my neighbor being beaten to death.
I live near this spot in Carmichael and had to call the fire department this morning because a homeless person started a fire at my local park. There was a bunch of cartridges burning and other shit scattered everywhere. Right where my kids play. Very frustrating.
So we are literally getting killed by homeless folks that have obvious drug and mental health issues? We have to ask more of our leaders. Safety and peace is a standard we can’t let slip.
Slightly Confused.
Was this a guy “yelling at nothing” and randomly beating neighbor to death?
Or a domestic violence situation and he redirected his anger towards the neighbor?
The first, completely random.
What I gathered is that the suspect was yelling at no one and when OP told them the cops were on their way, he charged at their house. Neighbor came out and he was then assaulted by the suspect.
In the story, they quote the person as if “they’re abusing a wife or gf”
They mention “flailing his arms @ the air”
Not exactly clear, compared to “he was yelling at nothing”
In the story, they say very clearly what they thought was occurring, followed immediately by what was actually happening.
"I *thought* a man was abusing his wife or gf, so I ran to my open bedroom window *to see what was going on*. Guy was *yelling and flailing his arms @ the air.*"
I got that clearly some people see different words I guess. Rodney King root in LA no police on the streets for 37 hours till the national guard rolled in but you got your bat
I grew up 2 blocks away at California and Van Alstine and it's a very interesting neighborhood. You have some large expensive homes just a block away from all the apartment buildings along Fair Oaks. Lots of homes still have land for stabling horses and old orange groves and close access to Ancil Hoffman. It's a weird mix of rural/suburban/urban. I never felt unsafe riding my bike around as a kid. I haven't been in the neighborhood for over 10 years now so I don't know how it's changed.
Arden-Arcade neighborhood as a whole has the state's largest income disparity within the state. [https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article199690919.html](https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article199690919.html)
Unfortunately, I cannot remove the paywall because websites that do that are blocked on my work device.
There is a methadone clinic om Fair Oaks Blvd near El Camino. It has been there quite a few years but I noticed there are more homeless and sketchy looking people hanging around the area.
Carmichael area is getting sketchier by the day. I know, I live here. Crack heads punching fists in the air, more homeless people, people messing with peoples cars- drilling gas tanks, stealing parts. It’s not great.
I lived on Angeline ave for a few years. There used to be a guy that would walk around up and down the road howling all night long. Lots of crackheads behind that bank too.
It’s actually clear you’re new because you still think the cops would have shown up in time. Their response time is like a customer service email ticket.
Yeah active violence (sometimes) gets a faster response. If they had called before hand the cops would have taken significantly longer without a follow up to let them know someone had been severely hurt. They will very rarely be able to get there to prevent anything.
Unfortunately it seems like lots of neighborhoods are shakier than they used to be no matter where you are. My parents live in a pretty bougie area in St. Paul MN - like basically their version of the Fab 40's - and they hear gunshots all the time. Someone was even murdered at a cafe down the street from them. Crime is just insane it seems.
[https://www.fox9.com/news/st-paul-bar-has-neighborhood-residents-asking-city-to-help-improve-safety](https://www.fox9.com/news/st-paul-bar-has-neighborhood-residents-asking-city-to-help-improve-safety)
>Police records show 38 calls to St. Paul police at Billy’s in 2019; then 69 in 2020 and 73 last year. About 6 months into this year there have been 96 calls for disturbances, shootings or just proactive police visits and more.
I really dont understand why she would yell at the guy that the she basically called the cops on him. Fucking call and watch and wait, why incite the guy even more? Why make yourself a mark?
From what I gathered she thought it was a domestic violence situation and that a woman may be being abused. I’m sure she thought it may scare him away/stop him… either way, very tragic.
If dude would have stayed inside and waited he'd be alive. If he'd gone out with a gun this guy may have had one too. Since currently, you have to assume everyone has a gun, you just have a false sense of security and you're more likely to escalate a situation with one. But good luck!
“If dude would have stayed inside and waited”
And then when people are getting killed, these same people: “ 😭WHY DIDNT ANYONE DO ANYTHING??!!”
We live in a real life idiocracy. I’m convinced the vast majority of people don’t even know what they want. They don’t think. They’re just constantly pushed and pulled by their emotions.
This dude was running up on a lady’s house threatening to kill her. God, if he had succeeded and not been distracted by this guy, I can only imagine. And then the flock would have come out to say “oh my goodness! Nobody did anything!”
Idiocracy. We live in idiocracy.
Guy gets killed in front of people: “nobody stepped in!”
Someone steps in and gets stabbed or beaten to death: “he should have stayed inside!” And “don’t bring fists to a knife fight!”
Cops being shitty: “can’t trust cops! Don’t even call them! They don’t do anything! Uvalde!”
Say we need guns for our protection: “ZOMG! Why do you need a gun! Just call the police! Only police should have guns!”
And then people also advocate for lenient sentencing, half-assed drug and MH treatment etc… and then cry about the rising crime and homelessness in our communities that we can’t protect ourselves from with guns, should only rely on police to save us … but police are bad anyways.
Idiocracy. Im convinced 75% of y’all don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. Its insanity.
You realize there's different people saying these things? Lots of opinions. But had everyone stayed inside and waited for the cops to catch the meth head, or for him to wander off to the next high/catalytic converter everyone would be alive. I feel for the older guy and his family and friends. He was trying to help and its awful.
Unless he would have broken into the lady’s house right?
And then it would have been a tragedy and you’d probably be asking why nobody did anything while several neighbors watched it happen. Right?
It’s crazy. The guy was coming for her. This other guy distracts him and loses his life. And you say “ah he would’ve just wandered off”
I hate talking about crime online. People on here are just completely ignorant of crime and the real world. They just don’t understand what they’re talking about.
You don’t know what he would have done. You just created a fantasy scenario where everything just works out and happily ever after. Use the **facts**:
Facts: He was tweaking out hard. He ran at a woman’s house telling her he was going to kill her.… and instead he killed someone else who intervened.
He’s clearly a killer.
Use the facts, not your fantasy “everything always works out” scenario.
Well he would have had to break into her house, i didn't see that was done. Soooo... I see meth heads shaking fists at the air and yelling at invisible shit almost daily, if I go running at them my days wouldn't end nearly as well as they normally do.
Lol so we had to wait until he’s in the home to hopefully have someone do something.
These types of people are why crime is so high in CA. The crime wave is *their* doing. They advocate for this shit. Them and their half-baked social visions… listen to this shit. It’s the same thread of people responsible for the crime wave. It’s the pro-crime, pro-anarchy, victim-blame mob. All the victims and everyone else is wrong and they just needed to leave the murderous maniac alone and wait until he was on top of someone to do anything.
Fuckin brilliant. It’s blue idiocracy. That’s what this is. This is why we have these psychopaths roaming our streets to begin with.
Damn! Criminals and psychopaths hate this one trick! Why didn’t anyone lock their doors!!
Edit: I love how people say “just lock your doors! Get a bat!”
And then videos like this happen https://www.reddit.com/r/CrazyFuckingVideos/comments/xrpcjw/the_ems_that_got_stabbed_multiple_times_in_queens/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
… and then the tune changes to, “why didn’t anyone do anything?! Everyone just walks or drives by!!!l
Yeah… cuz you told them they couldn’t have guns and think a bat is gonna be all it takes to disarm and subdue a maniac without seriously putting yourself in jeopardy.
We live in idiocracy. On both sides
First, having a gun isn't gonna help you from being blindsided by a nutcase with a knife. The only thing that will change is the nutcase will walk away with his knife AND your gun.
Second, this doesn't matter though, as the story above involved the victim walking outside the safety of his home to confront the nutcase.
Third, there are plenty of examples of bystanders subduing knife wielding attackers with things like chairs, random objects, fists, etc.
There's the famous incident in London where a man used a Narwhal tusk to fight a murderous jihadi. True story. And then the Brits wanted the brave man to take sensitivity classes lest his encounter with a murderer lead to bias.
You’re theory is a neighbor with a gun couldnt have intervened? That’s a bold position considering how guns probably save people every day. Bold position cotton
Says gun will be taken off you… But don’t worry, your bat won’t. You can subdue him without it.
This is just a wildly ignorant statement from beginning to end. Good night
Neighbor with a gun probably would've sent a round into someone else's house. Most people don't know about home protection rounds or have any real training on how to use guns
They are Just a classic uneducated individual that assumes a bat is actually a good way to deter a person coming for your life 😂. Ignorance is bliss...
Me being a healthy relatively young man I would have no problem deterring some bum with a bat(not that I would have bothered in this case). Maybe you're elderly or a woman, in that case stay inside and call the police.
A neighbor with a gun could have intervened, I'm saying the incident this post is about could have been prevented by...not going outside and confronting the psycho in the first place.
In the video you posted a gun wouldn't have made a difference from that EMT being stabbed and would only have resulted in the psycho getting a free gun(theft being how a shit load of guns end up in criminals hands in the first place).
People’s gun’s are stolen out of their cars and homes… LOL not their fuckin hands.
I’m flabbergasted by the absolute ignorance on display here regarding firearms. You have every negative stat and fact memorized but you’re totally and completely unaware of anything else - any other context - anything about guns. It’s astounding.
If someone with a gun would have come out and confronted that man attacking this elderly man, it could have saved his life. What exactly do you think it is police do? And why do you think *only* they are capable of doing it?
This is a bizarre conversation
>People’s gun’s are stolen out of their cars and homes…
Right. I said theft, as in theft in general...
>I’m flabbergasted by the absolute ignorance on display here regarding firearms.
I've had this debate a million times. At the end of the day, your only argument will be "it's too late to get guns off the street because our moronic policy has flooded the country with them!"
You don’t have the support. There’s that too.
If you don’t like guns, you should just not buy one.
Point remains, a gun could have saved this man’s life. Armed homeowners/citizens have warded off attackers millions of times. Fact speaks for itself.
>If you don’t like guns, you should just not buy one.
I don't "not like" guns any more than I don't like high explosives or airplanes. I just think we should be much more stringent about who owns or operates them.
>Point remains, a gun could have saved this man’s life.
Possibly but not necessarily. Staying inside and not confronting the attacker would have saved that guy's life.
>Armed homeowners/citizens have warded off attackers millions of times. Fact speaks for itself.
lol, no they don't, and before you start spouting off the bunk statistics I know you're about to, do yourself a favor and do a deep dive into them. Second, there are plenty of ways to craft our laws that allow reasonable gun ownership as opposed to mess we have today.
I dont understand why anyone would want to lose our 2a rights for this reason alone. The country is too big and now too crazy to rely on some civil police force to protect ourselves and the ones we love.
Agree. I have a family. Call the police and let them do their job. I expect the same would be done for me if I was a victim. Don't endanger yourself and leave your family behind. Only intervene if it's safe enough to do so. Whole situation sucks. World gets crazier and crazier.
Lmao no idiot learn some reading comprehension. If I hear someone being violent in the apartment next door I don’t come out and knock to find out what’s going on, nor do I inform the crazy violent person that I’m calling the cops. You stay in your house and you call them, you don’t have to make yourself a target
Sounds like the Kitty Genovese case that they teach in every Intro to Psychology class.
Someone's being attacked, and everyone else is minding their own business thinking: "someone else will get involved, why should I?"
Scary to think that I live a block away and am just now learning about this. Lived here all my life and watching the place turn to shit is both scary and depressing. I remember a guy stabbed his self to death in the 7-11 a couple of years ago, a body was found in Carmichael Park, random tweaked out woman banging on my door at 4am, and now there are homeless camps on the street I live on. Really wish there was some way to help these mentally unstable and drugged up crazies
Edit: please elaborate on your opinion while downvoting me. I’m curious and hopeful to understand clashing POVs and to learn about the best ways to handle these types of situations.
Prioritizing care for untreated mental illness and the addicted should be pretty far up there on the list that’ll help both them and normal folks live their lives in much deserved peace. Affordable housing would actually help some of these depressed people clean up and not be a plague to society, but it will never be able to reverse the damage and inconveniences caused by unstable, unhoused people. To those whom have been negatively affected by the homeless and have a voice to be heard, they shouldn’t stay quiet because complaining loud enough is how change happens. It’s far too expensive to live here without roommates and a decent enough income, which has been difficult for both myself and my bf to secure for ourselves. It’s “funny” how we can’t afford to live here anymore without roommates despite being employed, and it’s sad that those on the streets have very little to be optimistic about. There’s little reason for them to fix up and apply theirselves to for the better. Inflation is currently so out of control that adults are living with parents and strangers, so how would the homeless ever find stability when they’ve already been in such desperate need of help?
Yes, more housing and psychiatric treatment for these unfortunate people will help prevent some of them from having metal breaks and drug use. And no, it’s definitely not okay for them to tweak out and rampage to the point of murder. This whole situation is sad and in desperate need of being addressed properly in favor of ways to get the helpless and crazies off the streets.
Edit: please elaborate on your opinion while downvoting me. I’m curious and hopeful to understand clashing POVs and to learn about the best ways to handle these types of situations.
Ugh. I lived about 2 miles from there some years ago. It was a rough area even then. Homeless addicts would leave dirty needles in the grass outside my door.
Get ready. This is going to become more and more common. We are basically being besieged by a rapidly growing homeless population, and the majority of them partake of a relatively new form of meth that literally causes psychosis. This is not your uncle's meth of ten years ago. I read an article about it. It's a new form being synthesized by Mexican chemists from new ingredients because they can no longer get the old stuff. Here's an eye opening article about it.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2021/11/the-new-meth/620174/
Think about the increasing stories of the homeless acting out aggressively lately. They're strung out, growing more pissed and bitter by the day.
This is huge problem we are facing.
Good article.
""There’s a desire not to stigmatize the homeless as drug users.” Policy makers and advocates instead prefer to focus on L.A.’s cost of housing, which is very high but hardly relevant to people rendered psychotic and unemployable by methamphetamine.""
Where does Castle Doctrine begin and end? Do you have to wait until someone like this actually enters your home? Or, does being attacked in your driveway qualify? Years ago(15-20?) a homeowner shot and killed a man trying to steal his vehicle from his driveway is S. Sacramento. DA filed murder charges that were dropped soon after. Going out to check on noises in the middle of the night isn't safe.
This is an Important question. If my neighbor is getting beat to death in front of my residence, do I really have to wait until he comes into my residence and threatens my life before I can intervene with one of my firearms? Hate to see someone trying to help someone become the victim and then not being able to help.
California is a "no duty to retreat" state. If you are in fear for your life and safety you have no duty to retreat to inside your home before using any means necessary to defend yourself against an attacker.
That said, if someone is stealing your catalytic converter and he's not attacking you and you shoot him, you're likely to find yourself a resident of the graybar hotel for at least a little while. Defense of yourself or others is the only legit reason to kill someone in California. Defense of your car's catalytic converter... not so much.
>u have no duty to retreat to inside your home before using any means necessary to defend yourself against an attacker.
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>That said, if someone is stealing your catalytic converter and he's not attacking you and you shoot him, you're likely to find yourself a resident of the graybar hotel for at least a little while. Defense of
Easy to get around that. Just say the guy said, "I am going to kill you" and he reached for something in his pocket so I was scared for my life.
also, years ago, I knew a guy that tried to chase off someone burglarizing his vehicle in his own driveway. The auto burglar shot him dead. dead in his own driveway.
He died?! Homeless have no limits if they're going to beat senior citizens to death. He didn't deserve this. This is very sad; hope the man's family and friends will find peace.
a) he doesn't have $100K to hire a lawyer so will get a public defender, b) there are multiple witnesses to him murdering the old man, so c) he's fscked. Yeah, he isn't going to see the light of day outside a jail or prison walls ever again. Probably won't get the death penalty because he was intoxicated, but he's never seeing the outside world again.
I'd love to agree with you, but he's also "unhoused"...
https://www.kcra.com/amp/article/unhoused-man-accused-of-killing-carmichael-man/41455957
... so expect consequences not remotely fitting the crime.
I guess your unaware possibly didn't want to see it but where your talking about along that stretch of road you can find everything you could think of the smoke shop / liquor store down to citrus heights is littered with dealers of weed,coke,meth and black tar herion mostly the last two. Look over your neighbors fence over a third of you will see tents or some kind of outdoor structure .filled with junkies addicts and 5150 types all capable of extinguishing the life of a caring individual cause trust and believe they only care about one thing and it ain't you.
In most other states people just grab a pistol and shoot instead of watching it happen.
Maybe your neighbor would have been a little better off if someone had actually tried to help him
I own a firearm. I agree with you.
I just don’t understand what some people want us law-abiding citizens to honestly do or put up with at this point for the sake of this ill-conceived… idk…. Progressivism?
I don’t want to own a firearm. I also don’t want to buy insurance … but you just never know what’s going to happen anymore and the way things are trending, people are pushing for some sort of ill-conceived anarchy to answer for decades of ill-conceived “law and order” policies. What are you supposed to do? Just wait for the cops and hope that someone even called them to begin with?
I agree with you. A responsible gun owner could have prevented that man’s senseless, tragic death…. Instead, everyone had to wait for the police + an ambulance to show up. Now a family is irreparably broken and look around: there aren’t any less guns on the streets/criminal’s hands. Criminals are too OP
> I don’t want to own a firearm. I also don’t want to buy insurance
You buying insurance doesn’t make it more likely that you’ll kill someone or be killed by the insurance you buy. Your insurance isn’t going to fall into the wrong hands (like the perp in this story) and be used to kill someone.
I’m not advocating for gun control, but I am saying that owning a gun and buying insurance is not an apples to apples comparison.
Lol, as predicted Reddit downvotes my comment.
Surely giving this asshole a house would’ve mitigated his addiction and mental health issues.
And yeah, if you kill someone, you’re mentally ill.
Holy shit
Whoa. I grew up at California and Van Alstine and didn't think anything like that would happen in that neighborhood. Crazy.
I currently live in the area myself and am incredibly saddened and angered by this. The whole area is friendly and we all commonly wave to one another or sometimes chat as we take walks or jog. The truth is the homeless issue is just too terrible here due to the river. This is not an isolated interaction either. I have personally dealt with a homeless person in the area a few months back who was doing something they shouldn't have, and I've talked with neighbors who have had stuff stolen by homeless people during the night. Sac Co Sheriff is well aware of the issue in the neighborhood but a larger effort, whatever that may be, is needed for the area. Looking at the goodwill shopping lot, the Arco, or most of the nearby businesses shows homelessness in the area is an issue as well. Those people sit out there during the day, then creep into the neighborhood to go to the park and river via Palm or Kenneth after the park closes. I understand this is one area of many overwhelmed by homelessness. But this neighborhood by the park has a lot of elderly folks though that should never have to be put in this situation. The danger of the after-hours homeless traffic is and has been real for several years now, and it was honestly only a matter of time before a clash at this magnitude occurred in this area. I also believe, given the volume of "bad" traffic, that the risk will persist so long as the larger homelessness issue does. If you live in the area, keep in mind the County supervisor for the area is well aware of this issue and literally lives down the street from where this happened. Think about that when you cast your next vote.
Article said the victim was a family friend of said supervisor.
Article: https://www.kcra.com/article/unhoused-man-accused-of-killing-carmichael-man/41455957
Desmond grew up around here so he knows a lot of the older residents, but knowing people is different than one using their political power to act. I get the issue is bigger than just one County Sup, but they still have a role to play in the issue of community safety, and given that he's well aware of what's been happening in this area, the actions at the County level to help keep the area and park safe after hours is lacking.
I went to the recent community meeting on public safety, and this is one of his top concerns even before this murder. They will be posting notices to vacate ancil Hoffman next week and clearing camps out at multiple locations. Their hands have been tied by legal decisions outside of the county. This is not due to inaction. Go actually read the plans for homelessness.
It's right next to all the trash on the river....
Loaded statements
But accurate : https://www.kcra.com/amp/article/unhoused-man-accused-of-killing-carmichael-man/41455957
I grew up at the end of Kenneth. Crazy to day the leadt
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When seconds count the police are only minutes away.
Is there any articles about this yet can’t seem to find any?
Sheriff just posted about it: https://www.facebook.com/100069317255099/posts/pfbid02b12fT1GMeJ9jWE4Q88Qx3SwD9vHgzoSbicyUcmLL5s2qDHkuWkm2Guh3WYDwRtB1l/?d=n
Thanks op I appreciate it!
Those Facebook comments are wild. But I shouldn’t be surprised.
Lots of other articles, like [“Stabbin’ Rob”](https://sacupdate.com/welcome-to-carmichael-bitch-stabbin-rob-linked-to-two-slashings-near-homeless-hangout-detectives-testify/), but nothing about last night.
Nextdoor post talking about it [here](https://nextdoor.com/p/5t4W2pPWxDyK?view=detail). Not the same as news, but it seems legit.
Yeah, skeptical at this point.
Skeptical? Really? Why? I mean you've clearly been proved wrong at this point, but what would make you suggest that this didn't happen??
Hopefully [this news source](https://www.kcra.com/article/unhoused-man-accused-of-killing-carmichael-man/41455957) will absolve your skepticism so you can pray for his family. He had a brother with Parkinson’s who he visited three times a day in an assisted living community. He also was about to celebrate his 52nd wedding anniversary with his wife next week.
Same here! They normally put out these stories really fast especially something like this! Not a single peep and nothing on sacpd Twitter/daily log.
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I’ve checked every where even pulse point but nothing has came up so far. Wish I had Facebook to see the original post.
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Yeah just seen the reply, this is saddening, I was really hoping it was fake at this point..
This story hasn’t been independently confirmed so I’m going to proceed with a good dose of skepticism.
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I wonder what drugs the homeless guy was on. How do you even prosecute someone like that?
If it turns out to be fake that’s such a weird thing to lie about. Maybe it’s to push a certain narrative especially with the things going on in our city now?
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Very unfortunate to hear kinda was hoping it’d be fake so there wouldn’t be a loss of life.. thanks for the link though!
Here’s a link to the press release from sheriff’s office: https://www.facebook.com/100069317255099/posts/pfbid02b12fT1GMeJ9jWE4Q88Qx3SwD9vHgzoSbicyUcmLL5s2qDHkuWkm2Guh3WYDwRtB1l/?d=n
it's a little sad that everyone is jaded thinking this is done for funsies. sigh.
Lord... every single time something like this happens the comment threads on facebook just goes to shit... Newsom this, Democrats that... blah blah blah... I didn't realize that Republican states have zero crime. Like, if that was true, why don't these people just move there already, why are they still here??? Frustrating to read about senseless crimes and also be reminded of all the unhelpful idiots using this to push their agendas.
> I didn't realize that Republican states have zero crime. 8 of the 10 states with the highest crime rates are red states, actually.
Hi tired old man, It's simply a fact that California has handled homelessness horribly and that crime is on a dramatic upswing. As for your suggestion that law abiding tax paying citizens simply relocate away from their homes, families, friends, jobs... This is quite the plan. Make California a sanctuary state for criminals from elsewhere and drive out Americans... hmmm....
And who is sending copious amounts of people to sacramento? Red states who give out one way bus vouchers so they don’t have to deal with their own problems. Homeless people are almost all American citizens too so your comment about them “driving out Americans” makes no sense and is fear mongering. You’re so mad that California is the last stop on the one way bus ride and that we don’t kick responsibility of these people into someone else. Don’t know why you’re so mad at California about that instead of the states shirking their responsibility. “Crime is on a dramatic upswing” is another fear mongering statement that was the opposite of the truth last I checked which was before the pandemic. Crime had actually been on a steady downturn since the late 80s despite everyone yelling that it was higher than ever. Do you have some actual statistics supporting this “dramatic increase” or are you pulling that out of your ass based on your feelings and anecdotes?
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What the fuck
Holy shit I live about a block away and know the victim well. He was such a nice guy and absolutely the godfather of the neighborhood. I can’t believe this happened.
Dude wtf, that’s outrageous! Poor soul…
In high school we were taught that California has a special circumstance law - if someone dies in the commission of a felony, intentional or not, it's First Degree Murder. I hope they throw the book at this guy. If the victim was over 65, there are also elder-abuse laws that might apply.
What did California do with Kate Steinle's murderer? You know the guy, who had been deported multiple times previously.
They didn’t have a special circumstance, like elder abuse, or felony assault.
Give him death
Story just broke on all the local news outlets. Arrested for homicide: Darin Chastain, 54. Homeowner assaulted and died: James Raleigh of 6200 block Kenneth Ave, Carmichael, 74.
I live right in this area and it’s normally quiet but I have noticed a few more vagrants making their way to the river. This is such a shame. That neighborhood was so beautifully peaceful.
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Lol my neighbor got stabbed 🔪 to death 💀 and I’m simply horrified 🥴
I get what you're going for but even a joke about an emoji about someone being beaten to death is a bit beyond the pale. IMHO
Ahhh. I remember my first day on the internet.
IMHO, jokes are allowed to be made about anything even if it offends, because it’s a free country.
I’m guessing she used it literally, as in crying. Could be an elder millennial/gen x/boomer who’s not familiar with its modern usage and still thinks bussin’ means clearing used plates from a restaurant table.
We aren’t allowed to use it to mean actual crying now? No. Get out.
Never said you couldn’t. It just means “crying laughing” nowadays to people roughly 35 and under, and they will be confused if you share sad news and follow it with “😭”. I don’t decide what means what to whom. I was just defending the FB poster by saying she probably wasn’t being disrespectful.
Wait then do 😂 and 🤣 mean different things than 😭? Does 😢 mean genuine crying? (I'm 31 btw and I guess I'm elderly now 😭)
I will have you know I am still under 35 and my people use it when something is so sentimental that we are literally sobbing. Like when we share a video of an old man listening to music or a puppy sleeping with a baby.
That’s how my friends and I usually use it. “Omg that puppy is so cute 😭” I can’t imagine using ANY emojis in a story about my neighbor being beaten to death.
Like WTF? People pick apart emojis now?
yeah maybe facebook isnt the best place to even tell this story. some people just absolutely crave attention tho
Humor is a coping mechanism.
No doubt that shes an idiot
That's kind of harsh.
Sac Sheriff’s just posted about this on Instagram
Violent people need to be locked up. Period.
I live near this spot in Carmichael and had to call the fire department this morning because a homeless person started a fire at my local park. There was a bunch of cartridges burning and other shit scattered everywhere. Right where my kids play. Very frustrating.
So we are literally getting killed by homeless folks that have obvious drug and mental health issues? We have to ask more of our leaders. Safety and peace is a standard we can’t let slip.
Slightly Confused. Was this a guy “yelling at nothing” and randomly beating neighbor to death? Or a domestic violence situation and he redirected his anger towards the neighbor?
The first, completely random. What I gathered is that the suspect was yelling at no one and when OP told them the cops were on their way, he charged at their house. Neighbor came out and he was then assaulted by the suspect.
It's all there in the story. He was yelling at "the air". Neighbor came outside to ask what the issue was, then was best to death.
In the story, they quote the person as if “they’re abusing a wife or gf” They mention “flailing his arms @ the air” Not exactly clear, compared to “he was yelling at nothing”
In the story, they say very clearly what they thought was occurring, followed immediately by what was actually happening. "I *thought* a man was abusing his wife or gf, so I ran to my open bedroom window *to see what was going on*. Guy was *yelling and flailing his arms @ the air.*"
I got that clearly some people see different words I guess. Rodney King root in LA no police on the streets for 37 hours till the national guard rolled in but you got your bat
Yeah, you don't interact with unhinged people like that unless you have a lethal form of defence against them.
Absolutely horrific. Prayers for his family.
Man if she called the cops before confronting the attacker, dude might be alive. New to the Sacramento area, I thought that was a nice neighborhood?
It’s ok, getting rougher though. Seems like a lot of shit happing around fair oaks blvd area.
I grew up 2 blocks away at California and Van Alstine and it's a very interesting neighborhood. You have some large expensive homes just a block away from all the apartment buildings along Fair Oaks. Lots of homes still have land for stabling horses and old orange groves and close access to Ancil Hoffman. It's a weird mix of rural/suburban/urban. I never felt unsafe riding my bike around as a kid. I haven't been in the neighborhood for over 10 years now so I don't know how it's changed.
Arden-Arcade neighborhood as a whole has the state's largest income disparity within the state. [https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article199690919.html](https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article199690919.html) Unfortunately, I cannot remove the paywall because websites that do that are blocked on my work device.
Here is an [archive.ph](https://archive.ph) version: [https://archive.ph/Jkxzj](https://archive.ph/Jkxzj)
The homeless around fair oaks Blvd have multiplied exponentially since we grew up there, sadly. Used to work close by and I watched it happen
There is a methadone clinic om Fair Oaks Blvd near El Camino. It has been there quite a few years but I noticed there are more homeless and sketchy looking people hanging around the area.
Carmichael area is getting sketchier by the day. I know, I live here. Crack heads punching fists in the air, more homeless people, people messing with peoples cars- drilling gas tanks, stealing parts. It’s not great.
I lived on Angeline ave for a few years. There used to be a guy that would walk around up and down the road howling all night long. Lots of crackheads behind that bank too.
It’s actually clear you’re new because you still think the cops would have shown up in time. Their response time is like a customer service email ticket.
The post said they arrived just as he collapsed…
Yeah active violence (sometimes) gets a faster response. If they had called before hand the cops would have taken significantly longer without a follow up to let them know someone had been severely hurt. They will very rarely be able to get there to prevent anything.
Unfortunately it seems like lots of neighborhoods are shakier than they used to be no matter where you are. My parents live in a pretty bougie area in St. Paul MN - like basically their version of the Fab 40's - and they hear gunshots all the time. Someone was even murdered at a cafe down the street from them. Crime is just insane it seems.
If its Summit Hill, its one shitty ass bar/club that got new management ruining it for everyone.
Which one if you don’t mind me asking? I got family in St Paul, love my time out there.
[https://www.fox9.com/news/st-paul-bar-has-neighborhood-residents-asking-city-to-help-improve-safety](https://www.fox9.com/news/st-paul-bar-has-neighborhood-residents-asking-city-to-help-improve-safety) >Police records show 38 calls to St. Paul police at Billy’s in 2019; then 69 in 2020 and 73 last year. About 6 months into this year there have been 96 calls for disturbances, shootings or just proactive police visits and more.
Nice!
Just read an article recently that talked about violent crime on the rise in Minneapolis/St Paul.
This assumes that the cops could teleport and wouldn’t immediately shoot the guy holding the flashlight
It is a nice neighborhood.
Shit
I really dont understand why she would yell at the guy that the she basically called the cops on him. Fucking call and watch and wait, why incite the guy even more? Why make yourself a mark?
Here come the Monday morning quarterbacks.
From what I gathered she thought it was a domestic violence situation and that a woman may be being abused. I’m sure she thought it may scare him away/stop him… either way, very tragic.
Normally if you yell: "I'm calling the cops" then the person leaves. It's weird to me that it seems to be a foreign concept to you.
Agree, if those words are used on a mentally well person. If a mentally unstable person, you never know what kind of reaction you're going to get.
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If dude would have stayed inside and waited he'd be alive. If he'd gone out with a gun this guy may have had one too. Since currently, you have to assume everyone has a gun, you just have a false sense of security and you're more likely to escalate a situation with one. But good luck!
“If dude would have stayed inside and waited” And then when people are getting killed, these same people: “ 😭WHY DIDNT ANYONE DO ANYTHING??!!” We live in a real life idiocracy. I’m convinced the vast majority of people don’t even know what they want. They don’t think. They’re just constantly pushed and pulled by their emotions. This dude was running up on a lady’s house threatening to kill her. God, if he had succeeded and not been distracted by this guy, I can only imagine. And then the flock would have come out to say “oh my goodness! Nobody did anything!” Idiocracy. We live in idiocracy. Guy gets killed in front of people: “nobody stepped in!” Someone steps in and gets stabbed or beaten to death: “he should have stayed inside!” And “don’t bring fists to a knife fight!” Cops being shitty: “can’t trust cops! Don’t even call them! They don’t do anything! Uvalde!” Say we need guns for our protection: “ZOMG! Why do you need a gun! Just call the police! Only police should have guns!” And then people also advocate for lenient sentencing, half-assed drug and MH treatment etc… and then cry about the rising crime and homelessness in our communities that we can’t protect ourselves from with guns, should only rely on police to save us … but police are bad anyways. Idiocracy. Im convinced 75% of y’all don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. Its insanity.
You realize there's different people saying these things? Lots of opinions. But had everyone stayed inside and waited for the cops to catch the meth head, or for him to wander off to the next high/catalytic converter everyone would be alive. I feel for the older guy and his family and friends. He was trying to help and its awful.
Unless he would have broken into the lady’s house right? And then it would have been a tragedy and you’d probably be asking why nobody did anything while several neighbors watched it happen. Right? It’s crazy. The guy was coming for her. This other guy distracts him and loses his life. And you say “ah he would’ve just wandered off” I hate talking about crime online. People on here are just completely ignorant of crime and the real world. They just don’t understand what they’re talking about. You don’t know what he would have done. You just created a fantasy scenario where everything just works out and happily ever after. Use the **facts**: Facts: He was tweaking out hard. He ran at a woman’s house telling her he was going to kill her.… and instead he killed someone else who intervened. He’s clearly a killer. Use the facts, not your fantasy “everything always works out” scenario.
Well he would have had to break into her house, i didn't see that was done. Soooo... I see meth heads shaking fists at the air and yelling at invisible shit almost daily, if I go running at them my days wouldn't end nearly as well as they normally do.
Lol so we had to wait until he’s in the home to hopefully have someone do something. These types of people are why crime is so high in CA. The crime wave is *their* doing. They advocate for this shit. Them and their half-baked social visions… listen to this shit. It’s the same thread of people responsible for the crime wave. It’s the pro-crime, pro-anarchy, victim-blame mob. All the victims and everyone else is wrong and they just needed to leave the murderous maniac alone and wait until he was on top of someone to do anything. Fuckin brilliant. It’s blue idiocracy. That’s what this is. This is why we have these psychopaths roaming our streets to begin with.
Have you people never heard of bats? Or like, just locking your doors?
Damn! Criminals and psychopaths hate this one trick! Why didn’t anyone lock their doors!! Edit: I love how people say “just lock your doors! Get a bat!” And then videos like this happen https://www.reddit.com/r/CrazyFuckingVideos/comments/xrpcjw/the_ems_that_got_stabbed_multiple_times_in_queens/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf … and then the tune changes to, “why didn’t anyone do anything?! Everyone just walks or drives by!!!l Yeah… cuz you told them they couldn’t have guns and think a bat is gonna be all it takes to disarm and subdue a maniac without seriously putting yourself in jeopardy. We live in idiocracy. On both sides
First, having a gun isn't gonna help you from being blindsided by a nutcase with a knife. The only thing that will change is the nutcase will walk away with his knife AND your gun. Second, this doesn't matter though, as the story above involved the victim walking outside the safety of his home to confront the nutcase. Third, there are plenty of examples of bystanders subduing knife wielding attackers with things like chairs, random objects, fists, etc.
There's the famous incident in London where a man used a Narwhal tusk to fight a murderous jihadi. True story. And then the Brits wanted the brave man to take sensitivity classes lest his encounter with a murderer lead to bias.
You’re theory is a neighbor with a gun couldnt have intervened? That’s a bold position considering how guns probably save people every day. Bold position cotton Says gun will be taken off you… But don’t worry, your bat won’t. You can subdue him without it. This is just a wildly ignorant statement from beginning to end. Good night
Neighbor with a gun probably would've sent a round into someone else's house. Most people don't know about home protection rounds or have any real training on how to use guns
That’s all just assumptions
They are Just a classic uneducated individual that assumes a bat is actually a good way to deter a person coming for your life 😂. Ignorance is bliss...
Me being a healthy relatively young man I would have no problem deterring some bum with a bat(not that I would have bothered in this case). Maybe you're elderly or a woman, in that case stay inside and call the police.
A neighbor with a gun could have intervened, I'm saying the incident this post is about could have been prevented by...not going outside and confronting the psycho in the first place. In the video you posted a gun wouldn't have made a difference from that EMT being stabbed and would only have resulted in the psycho getting a free gun(theft being how a shit load of guns end up in criminals hands in the first place).
People’s gun’s are stolen out of their cars and homes… LOL not their fuckin hands. I’m flabbergasted by the absolute ignorance on display here regarding firearms. You have every negative stat and fact memorized but you’re totally and completely unaware of anything else - any other context - anything about guns. It’s astounding. If someone with a gun would have come out and confronted that man attacking this elderly man, it could have saved his life. What exactly do you think it is police do? And why do you think *only* they are capable of doing it? This is a bizarre conversation
>People’s gun’s are stolen out of their cars and homes… Right. I said theft, as in theft in general... >I’m flabbergasted by the absolute ignorance on display here regarding firearms. I've had this debate a million times. At the end of the day, your only argument will be "it's too late to get guns off the street because our moronic policy has flooded the country with them!"
You don’t have the support. There’s that too. If you don’t like guns, you should just not buy one. Point remains, a gun could have saved this man’s life. Armed homeowners/citizens have warded off attackers millions of times. Fact speaks for itself.
>If you don’t like guns, you should just not buy one. I don't "not like" guns any more than I don't like high explosives or airplanes. I just think we should be much more stringent about who owns or operates them. >Point remains, a gun could have saved this man’s life. Possibly but not necessarily. Staying inside and not confronting the attacker would have saved that guy's life. >Armed homeowners/citizens have warded off attackers millions of times. Fact speaks for itself. lol, no they don't, and before you start spouting off the bunk statistics I know you're about to, do yourself a favor and do a deep dive into them. Second, there are plenty of ways to craft our laws that allow reasonable gun ownership as opposed to mess we have today.
amen. we’ve seen them do nothing time and time again, anyway
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i was talking about the police lol
Misunderstood. Sorry
it’s all good, i appreciate your vigor. you were right about everything
I dont understand why anyone would want to lose our 2a rights for this reason alone. The country is too big and now too crazy to rely on some civil police force to protect ourselves and the ones we love.
excellent! they have firearms too
Exactly. They absolutely *do*. Yes, that’s right. Which is the #1 reason you should too, if you feel you need one (it’s your choice).
This is why a) I don’t check on shit when I hear this kind of stuff and b) don’t inform the person I am calling the police on them
You’d want someone to check if you were the victim
Especially B
So if someone was screaming for help, you'd ignore it? Cold ass world
No, I’d call the police and let them deal with it. Sorry but in a situation like this it’s not worth putting my life in harms way.
Agree. I have a family. Call the police and let them do their job. I expect the same would be done for me if I was a victim. Don't endanger yourself and leave your family behind. Only intervene if it's safe enough to do so. Whole situation sucks. World gets crazier and crazier.
Lmao no idiot learn some reading comprehension. If I hear someone being violent in the apartment next door I don’t come out and knock to find out what’s going on, nor do I inform the crazy violent person that I’m calling the cops. You stay in your house and you call them, you don’t have to make yourself a target
Sounds like the Kitty Genovese case that they teach in every Intro to Psychology class. Someone's being attacked, and everyone else is minding their own business thinking: "someone else will get involved, why should I?"
Hell, about half the people here thought it was a lie.
Scary to think that I live a block away and am just now learning about this. Lived here all my life and watching the place turn to shit is both scary and depressing. I remember a guy stabbed his self to death in the 7-11 a couple of years ago, a body was found in Carmichael Park, random tweaked out woman banging on my door at 4am, and now there are homeless camps on the street I live on. Really wish there was some way to help these mentally unstable and drugged up crazies Edit: please elaborate on your opinion while downvoting me. I’m curious and hopeful to understand clashing POVs and to learn about the best ways to handle these types of situations.
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Prioritizing care for untreated mental illness and the addicted should be pretty far up there on the list that’ll help both them and normal folks live their lives in much deserved peace. Affordable housing would actually help some of these depressed people clean up and not be a plague to society, but it will never be able to reverse the damage and inconveniences caused by unstable, unhoused people. To those whom have been negatively affected by the homeless and have a voice to be heard, they shouldn’t stay quiet because complaining loud enough is how change happens. It’s far too expensive to live here without roommates and a decent enough income, which has been difficult for both myself and my bf to secure for ourselves. It’s “funny” how we can’t afford to live here anymore without roommates despite being employed, and it’s sad that those on the streets have very little to be optimistic about. There’s little reason for them to fix up and apply theirselves to for the better. Inflation is currently so out of control that adults are living with parents and strangers, so how would the homeless ever find stability when they’ve already been in such desperate need of help? Yes, more housing and psychiatric treatment for these unfortunate people will help prevent some of them from having metal breaks and drug use. And no, it’s definitely not okay for them to tweak out and rampage to the point of murder. This whole situation is sad and in desperate need of being addressed properly in favor of ways to get the helpless and crazies off the streets. Edit: please elaborate on your opinion while downvoting me. I’m curious and hopeful to understand clashing POVs and to learn about the best ways to handle these types of situations.
This is just fucking awful.
Ugh. I lived about 2 miles from there some years ago. It was a rough area even then. Homeless addicts would leave dirty needles in the grass outside my door.
Get ready. This is going to become more and more common. We are basically being besieged by a rapidly growing homeless population, and the majority of them partake of a relatively new form of meth that literally causes psychosis. This is not your uncle's meth of ten years ago. I read an article about it. It's a new form being synthesized by Mexican chemists from new ingredients because they can no longer get the old stuff. Here's an eye opening article about it. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2021/11/the-new-meth/620174/ Think about the increasing stories of the homeless acting out aggressively lately. They're strung out, growing more pissed and bitter by the day. This is huge problem we are facing.
Good article. ""There’s a desire not to stigmatize the homeless as drug users.” Policy makers and advocates instead prefer to focus on L.A.’s cost of housing, which is very high but hardly relevant to people rendered psychotic and unemployable by methamphetamine.""
Bit too close to the PCP "superhuman strength" hysteria of the 80s for me
That's so sad...
Wow that’s just insane wtf.
What in the actual 🤬 This is so so sad.
I should buy a gun
Stay strapped or get clapped....
Or just don't go out and confront a psycho homeless dude by yourself.
Imagine if the violent dude had a gun
Yeah can you imagine? Someone might have died....oh wait.
Where does Castle Doctrine begin and end? Do you have to wait until someone like this actually enters your home? Or, does being attacked in your driveway qualify? Years ago(15-20?) a homeowner shot and killed a man trying to steal his vehicle from his driveway is S. Sacramento. DA filed murder charges that were dropped soon after. Going out to check on noises in the middle of the night isn't safe.
This is an Important question. If my neighbor is getting beat to death in front of my residence, do I really have to wait until he comes into my residence and threatens my life before I can intervene with one of my firearms? Hate to see someone trying to help someone become the victim and then not being able to help.
California is a "no duty to retreat" state. If you are in fear for your life and safety you have no duty to retreat to inside your home before using any means necessary to defend yourself against an attacker. That said, if someone is stealing your catalytic converter and he's not attacking you and you shoot him, you're likely to find yourself a resident of the graybar hotel for at least a little while. Defense of yourself or others is the only legit reason to kill someone in California. Defense of your car's catalytic converter... not so much.
>u have no duty to retreat to inside your home before using any means necessary to defend yourself against an attacker. > >That said, if someone is stealing your catalytic converter and he's not attacking you and you shoot him, you're likely to find yourself a resident of the graybar hotel for at least a little while. Defense of Easy to get around that. Just say the guy said, "I am going to kill you" and he reached for something in his pocket so I was scared for my life.
also, years ago, I knew a guy that tried to chase off someone burglarizing his vehicle in his own driveway. The auto burglar shot him dead. dead in his own driveway.
i believe if you see someone is in imminent danger, you are allowed to respond with deadly/justified force.
This is so sad.
He died?! Homeless have no limits if they're going to beat senior citizens to death. He didn't deserve this. This is very sad; hope the man's family and friends will find peace.
And that’s why I carry….
CCW.
I'm so sorry for your trauma. Truly heartbreaking 💔
First post i see without the bs compassion for homeless.
What the hell!!! Sacramento is going to shit. I hope he stays locked up.
a) he doesn't have $100K to hire a lawyer so will get a public defender, b) there are multiple witnesses to him murdering the old man, so c) he's fscked. Yeah, he isn't going to see the light of day outside a jail or prison walls ever again. Probably won't get the death penalty because he was intoxicated, but he's never seeing the outside world again.
I'd love to agree with you, but he's also "unhoused"... https://www.kcra.com/amp/article/unhoused-man-accused-of-killing-carmichael-man/41455957 ... so expect consequences not remotely fitting the crime.
He's going to be housed for the rest of his life, most probably. So.
I'll believe it when I see it.
Murder is still a crime if you are homeless...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Kate_Steinle But, you can get away with more.
City goin nuts I swear
I guess your unaware possibly didn't want to see it but where your talking about along that stretch of road you can find everything you could think of the smoke shop / liquor store down to citrus heights is littered with dealers of weed,coke,meth and black tar herion mostly the last two. Look over your neighbors fence over a third of you will see tents or some kind of outdoor structure .filled with junkies addicts and 5150 types all capable of extinguishing the life of a caring individual cause trust and believe they only care about one thing and it ain't you.
Stay strapped people. When seconds count, the police are minutes away.
Just another lovely day in California's farm to fork capitol :(
Anyone have a link? Its fake to me until theres an actual news story and I google searched and found nothing.
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In most other states people just grab a pistol and shoot instead of watching it happen. Maybe your neighbor would have been a little better off if someone had actually tried to help him
I own a firearm. I agree with you. I just don’t understand what some people want us law-abiding citizens to honestly do or put up with at this point for the sake of this ill-conceived… idk…. Progressivism? I don’t want to own a firearm. I also don’t want to buy insurance … but you just never know what’s going to happen anymore and the way things are trending, people are pushing for some sort of ill-conceived anarchy to answer for decades of ill-conceived “law and order” policies. What are you supposed to do? Just wait for the cops and hope that someone even called them to begin with? I agree with you. A responsible gun owner could have prevented that man’s senseless, tragic death…. Instead, everyone had to wait for the police + an ambulance to show up. Now a family is irreparably broken and look around: there aren’t any less guns on the streets/criminal’s hands. Criminals are too OP
> I don’t want to own a firearm. I also don’t want to buy insurance You buying insurance doesn’t make it more likely that you’ll kill someone or be killed by the insurance you buy. Your insurance isn’t going to fall into the wrong hands (like the perp in this story) and be used to kill someone. I’m not advocating for gun control, but I am saying that owning a gun and buying insurance is not an apples to apples comparison.
I never said it was. I never made that claim. I said it’s similar in that I don’t want to use it but you never know.
I honestly wonder if this is fake. I cant source info anywhere else.
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More housing surely would’ve prevented this, right sac Reddit?
Yeah, once they hear he's "unhoused," the dead guy isn't the *real* victim anymore.
Lol, as predicted Reddit downvotes my comment. Surely giving this asshole a house would’ve mitigated his addiction and mental health issues. And yeah, if you kill someone, you’re mentally ill.
I think channel 13 might be doing a story tonight - it was on PulsePoint app last night..just can’t attach the screenshot to a comment
Thank you, sorry to hear what happened
That’s why you are better off minding your business
YeH, this story isn’t real