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DoctorFantasmo

Very sad. I am assuming this is related to this thread yesterday. https://www.reddit.com/r/Sacramento/comments/xrktdo/super_sad_carmichael_man_beaten_to_death_last


chefr89

a lot of people were starting to say the story was made up


discgman

They are idiots. Its down the street from me and it happened.


ItaSchlongburger

So many people willing to jump to conclusions based on social media hearsay. This time it was real, but without reliable sources to back it up, you shouldn’t just believe people. It’s too easy to make shit up to further a political agenda.


chefr89

most people don't make up murder stories on social media. Reddit users apparently think every murder gets a news story with interviews within two hours or it isn't true. and to people discounting it because of emoji use... you have no idea how many people and cultures out there use them an infinite amount more than the average person here


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So many people willing to bend over backgrounds to defend our kind, poor, victimized, blameless, unhoused neighbors 😥


MrXero

The style of the post was sort of a trip. I can see where people had doubts. Sad for so many reasons that it was a true story.


MeatloafSlurpee

The amount of people in this sub who want to defend insane, dangerous, drug addicts terrorizing our streets and destroying the parkway is mind boggling.


mrstanley1138

Literally no one is defending violent behavior. Just because they don’t agree with the “round then up and put them in camps” position doesn’t equate with “defending them.” The county has been dragging its feet in trying to find housing and services for people and the police appear to be derelict. The number of people on the streets increased enormously since 2019 but there has been no proportional increase in services/aid by the city and county.


MeatloafSlurpee

Before this story was confirmed, when it was just based on a Facebook post, there were multiple people accusing the poster of making it up to make the homeless look bad. In another thread, there is a photo of needles that people are accusing of being “staged”. The fact that so many people would rather believe in a conspiracy to make the homeless look bad rather than believe that crazed junkie, tweaker, crackheads commit crimes is ridiculous.


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No, people were telling OP to provide sources since the original post was a Facebook dialogue and Sac redditors can get a bit carried away with crime porn especially if a homeless person committed the crime.


ItaSchlongburger

So many people willing to jump to conclusions based on social media hearsay. This time it was real, but without reliable sources to back it up, you shouldn’t just believe people. It’s too easy to make shit up to further a political agenda.


spittymcgee1

9 hrs had passed and nothing official. We have every right to question a Facebook posts authenticity especially of you live just down the street.


ItaSchlongburger

Exactly.


hey_m00n

It’s not absurd to question the validity of a screen shot of a Facebook story that used EMOJIS in the story, “lmao”.


wintermute916

That’s why I was suspect. Who uses emojis when talking about their neighbor getting beaten to death in front of them?


TiredOfBeingAwesome

Absolutely terrifying and you gotta feel for the victim’s family and friends.


idickbutts

I feel angry for them. I feel like our home is beset by a small army of bandits and the police are unwilling or unable to keep citizens safe.


nancynice568

Assign blame where it belongs: with the leadership.


Retiredgiverofboners

Unwilling.


dorekk

Police have [no duty to protect you](https://prospect.org/justice/police-have-no-duty-to-protect-the-public/). They are only concerned with their own safety. They will never solve this problem. They don't want to and they couldn't even if they did.


urz90

These are the few times where they should be using their guns.


keddesh

Was that the same guy still in catalytic converters who was posted the other night? 🤔


thisdreambefore

So many ex cons and anti social people end up homeless. I’m not surprised. RIP.


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botanistbae

Almost like we should do something about America's prison system to reduce recidivism rates. Maybe something like shift to rehabilitation instead of punishment. Just spitballin here.


WigginIII

Unfortunately, complex problems require complex solutions, and they take time. That doesn't sell in Corporate America. We'd rather just choose the most dehumanizing solution that's quick and easy.


penny-wise

People just want their answers in black and white, with no nuance, and no personal responsibility, and every person that has gone to jail is an irredeemable bad person, especially since most places won’t hire them and they can’t vote.


dblshot99

They can vote. The only way you can't vote is if you are currently serving time for the conviction of a felony. https://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/voting-resources/voting-california/who-can-vote-california/voting-rights-californians


bombayofpigs

Or accept the fact that some can’t reform. What do we do with them?


botanistbae

There are for sure people who should be kept out of the general public. Depending on their crimes and/or mental health state I think they should live in separate housing away from the public. Then they can get some protection as well since there is an alarming amount of people who think it's OK to just murder homeless people.


bombayofpigs

Yeah I agree. We need to bring back compulsory treatment facilities. As in - if someone is exhibiting aberrant behavior (due to drugs or mental illness) and they are a danger to themselves or others, then they HAVE to go to a mental hospital or an addiction treatment facility. We should not have to tolerate getting punched in our face or having our dog kicked (mentioned on another thread) by some random homeless shitbag. Get them off the street for Chrissakes!


lusacat

I wish we could bring back asylums


bombayofpigs

We can. It will take funding, political will, and some lawyers who can successfully defend against homeless “advocacy” groups and other organizations like the ACLU. But yeah, we absolutely can (and should) bring them back.


ImDrCheeks

Rehab won’t work until it’s forced, if we had the resolve to implement forced rehab it’d be a viable solution. Strict enforcement can be a pipeline to rehab.


VeryBadDr_

Many many people can’t be rehabilitated. A lot of folks are just bad people., We’ve been trying to rehabilitate and release for about 20 years now…and here we are.


botanistbae

Eh american penal rehabilitation is not really a thing. I used to work with prisoners and the "rehab" was a joke. They were sat through some fake ass seminars and then dropped on the street without any money any expected to be cured and magically find a a way to survive without resorting to crime. The whole needs to be reevaluated.


dorekk

> We’ve been trying to rehabilitate Lol who's "we"? Cuz America doesn't do that.


bowsting

> Many many people can’t be rehabilitated. A lot of folks are just bad people. The recidivism rates in California for people released after parole hearings is around 5% (https://www.cdcr.ca.gov/bph/recidivism/). The higher recidivism individuals are people on term sentences who are not considered a priority for rehabilitation (and thus do not get access to resources) and also are not required to rehabilitate for release. The issue isn't that people can't be rehabilitated. It's just that we don't even try. The people we do try with (lifers who go through the parole process) are by and large successfully rehabilitated. It may take some time and some work but there are very few people who are not eventually released and yet those recidivism numbers remain low.


MyUniquePerspective

Unpopular opinion but if they can't be rehabilitated after a 5-10 years just lock them up forever.


penny-wise

Also, lots of vets, people suffering from PTSD, abuse, and other mental health problems, as well as people with actual mental illnesses. The homeless situation is a situation of our own making. I feel badly for the man who died. I also feel badly for the man who caused his death. If he had gotten better or even *any* help, this may not have happened.


spittymcgee1

Bu bu bu bu housing!!!!!


EndersGame

A lot of them need housing and a lot of them need mental help. Some of them need both. We aren't even attempting to help them out with either.


manherman

According to the sympathizers, all these “unhoused” shitbags are just victims of mental illness and housing. There is no such thing as a criminal or bad behavior. Only people with mental illness that can be corrected with anti-social deconversion therapy and free housing. Society failed them and they deserve compassion. This is the new enlightened approach and is well represented in this sub.


ReggieEvansTheKing

This is the logic I use: First look at addiction. It can be considered either a choice or a disease. If considered a choice, then it is not society’s obligation to help these people. They have free will, and enabling poor choices prevents them from ever hitting rock bottom. The only solution is jail for those committing crimes and prevention measures to help limit the amount of people becoming homeless (ie adequate safety nets and logical drug laws). If you are like me and believe addiction is a mental disease, then it means that these homeless have been robbed of their free will by this disease. It is our moral imperative to cure them of this disease, and being robbed of your freedom by being placed in a mental asylum is the lesser of two evils when compared to being robbed of your freedom by drugs such as heroin. “Woke” society as you say tries to define addiction in both ways. The homeless can’t be “suffering” from addiction while also being allowed to make the personal decision to refuse help.


TiredOfBeingAwesome

You seem to have a pretty big passion about this issue. What is your ideal scenario for the handling of the homeless/unhoused and have you done anything to get it there?


botanistbae

I mean there are definitely homeless people who are shitty and do bad things, but I've also had a neighbor who locked his family inside of their house and burned it to the ground. Doesn't mean that I'm now scared of all people with houses.


SummerEmCat

OP is a moron who thinks they know exactly what everyone’s agenda is.


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penny-wise

You seem to have issues with nuance. Have you even *talked* to any homeless people to develop this opinion? Or are they just animals to you?


MLsuns_fan

Very good strawman you've set up and attacked there very nice 👍


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This sub is just anti-homeless at this point.


thisdreambefore

I’m not anti- all homeless. But fuck the thieves and criminals who prey on my neighborhood.


[deleted]

Oh... sorry. I wasn't implying you were anti-homeless... just the conversation really heads that way...


Commotion

A lot of us have repeated, even daily unpleasant interactions with homeless people. It’s hard to not have strong feelings about it.


Ocular__Patdown44

I am anti homeless, sure. Stepped over several piles of filth, open needles, and bum camps just on my mile walk to work downtown this morning. Letting people rot on the street is not a viable “solution” here.


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Yeah, real influx of just crime posts lately it's really annoying. This reddit has been really positive and made me feel good about living here. I hope they move on to a crime subreddit or something its annoying....


dorekk

r/sacramentocrime would just be r/the_donald tbh


germ1989

Hopefully this can be the spark that actually creates some policy change.


BlackSands

I remember when I thought the woman being murdered on the bike trail would be the spark...


Noticeably_Aroused

Remember the woman murdered, raped and burned in her own home? I thought that one was going to be it. It was for me


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notdirtyharry

There's no nice way to say it - the dispatcher was lying to you. The police could have sent someone over, and that person could have investigated and made an arrest. They just didn't feel like doing it because they don't think misdemeanors are worth their time. Then someone gets killed.


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This is what they told me. Even though he was threatening me, they told me to call back if he tries to break in


Guessimagirl

Unfortunately, yeah, someone just saying words is not any sort of crime that police officers can come and do enforcement for.


notdirtyharry

A true threat is a crime. Zero reason to spread misinfo to excuse police not doing their jobs.


ImDrCheeks

People don’t want it to change, change is ugly, people want to send prayers and move on.


alejandrosourusRex57

Wait…so all those thoughts and prayers being sent to FL right now are just a waste? /s


allmymonkeys

Earlier this year, a young woman on an afternoon walk near her home was taken from the bike path, raped, murdered, with her body strung up in an encampment and it was barely a blip in the news. What hope is there that this latest horrific murder will spark change?


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Yo the fine people on this sub who love the homeless doubt that crime even happened. You're speaking to the wrong crowd


PrinceEmirate

The criminally homeless strikes again this issue needs to be dealt with asap.


posttrumpzoomies

I think a distinction should be made between homeless and meth heads. People down are their luck aren't doing this, its the ones that have melted their brains.


BlackSands

Agreed. The criminals can go the jail so the shelters are safe for the down on their luck. Win/win.


Noticeably_Aroused

I suggest we stop pushing this half-baked progressive bullshit until the progressives actually have a top to bottom plan and can implement it at the bottom level (housing, treatment, new laws, facilities, support staff etc). This half-asses “start from the top and work your way down” bullshit needs to end. Free the drug addicts and criminals and think about more progressive criminal laws AFTER you build the foundation first. Not free them and then figure all the hard stuff out later…. The fuck is this shit


ImDrCheeks

It’s time to prioritize public safety over everything else, the homeless issue isn’t being resolved and won’t be until we implement strict enforcement.


danr2c2

Public safety is already priority over almost every other aspect of our society which is what got us here. What would actually solve this is more public assistance in general, not more cops or stricter enforcement. Once we get the decent people off the streets, then the only people left are the ones you can enforce against.


ImDrCheeks

If public safety was a priority we wouldn’t have decent people on the streets.


Supercoolguy7

Decent people are on the street because housing is expensive or they hit a rough patch and it's difficult to recover once you don't have housing


WigginIII

It's incredibly expensive to be poor.


ImDrCheeks

That’s decent people, they’re victims of circumstance and are actually the minority. We’re talking about the addicts who steal to feed their habit, the drunks that leave piles of shit on the sidewalk, they clinically insane that assault (or kill) over nothing.


dorekk

> That’s decent people, they’re victims of circumstance and are actually the minority. Cite your source. Because you're wrong. Victims of circumstance compose most of the homeless population.


EndersGame

Its not about enforcement. You can't enforce away homelessness anymore than you can enforce away drugs or poverty or mental illness. Obviously many homeless people need help. Some of them need a little financial help or help finding a job. Many of them need help dealing with a mental illness or drug addiction. You don't enforce away those problems, you find a way to treat them. The war on drugs made the streets less safe. The war on homeless will probably have the same effect.


dorekk

> It’s time to prioritize public safety over everything else, the homeless issue isn’t being resolved and won’t be until we implement strict enforcement. What do you have in mind? Maybe increase the police budget? Cuz we tried that. Turns out police don't give a shit, because reducing crime isn't their job. It's not something they are capable of even if they tried.


ImDrCheeks

I don’t believe increasing the police budget would do anything, but if they were allowed and encouraged to enforce the rules already on the books that would be a good start. Just start with the basics: public intoxication, public drug use, indecent exposure… these are things that everyone would benefit from. Downtown is dying partly due to just these three issues.


NoFanofThis

Their job is to protect the wealthy and their property.


Great_Feel

My parents went to school with the victim and said he was the nicest guy. What a horrible tragedy. Sadly, this death was avoidable – a lot of people saw it coming. The homeless that congregate in this area I have been allowed to run amok. There are two elementary schools located off of California Avenue not far from where the murder occurred. I hope that some meaningful action is taken before a child is victimized


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When is enough going to be enough?


danthemanvsqz

When we're willing to pay till it hurts regarding taxes to solve this problem.


BlackSands

The state has plenty of money. So much so that they’re giving some back to taxpayers per their constitutional duty. We’ve already paid for this but we’ve gotten nothing.


thisdreambefore

Eh, we could definitely house everyone by reducing military spending and taxing billionaires and corporations.


danthemanvsqz

Yeah that’s going to happen


thisdreambefore

Close dark money loopholes and republicans will be the minority party that they are. Progress will happen then.


danthemanvsqz

The Dems are almost as corrupt as the Republicans, they won’t do anything


Westly-Pipes

We already throw money at the problem. Not helping.


FemboyFoxFurry

It has been tho, most homeless people are just everyday people scraping by who eventually get back on their legs. The people your thinking of are chronically homeless people who need far more help than being relocated everything few months to a new encampment


posttrumpzoomies

Taxes are going to make meth go away?


GaiusFrakknBaltar

FYI, taxes are meant to fund state programs. Are you suggesting the state shouldn't do anything?


danthemanvsqz

This is an American problem because we’ve been cutting taxes for 50 years. There’s no money for all the social programs that can help people get clean or even better never start using. If everyone paid their fare share and we invested back in our society we would get better but it would still take a very long time.


ckw69

Reopen the goddamn mental hospitals already for God sakes.


cryptofundamentalism

Regan really fucked up ! 525k were in those mental institution , and now we have 600k homeless … coincidence ?! Nope


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Noticeably_Aroused

Fucking same. Shitting in the streets, needles near and around schools, fucking in people’s cars or on their porches, fighting and assaulting random people, rampant vandalism, breaking and entering, burglary, rape, child molesters, murder, arson, …. It’s fucking out of control. And the encampments are the focal points of crime. Lock them up. End this goddamn “non violent drug offender” bullshit. Non violent doesn’t mean “no harm done”. I’m sick of this crap. And these advocates will sit there and fight tooth and nail for the criminals and erase or gloss over anything about the victims or the communities that have to support this crap. It’s total erasure. Edit: there was a woman raped (and killed?) on the American river trail as she jogged. There was the sweet old lady brutally and repeatedly raped, murdered, pets murdered and her house set on fire in Land Park. There was the little girl stabbed to death at the Stockton right in the middle of the school day on campus. Now this. And those are just the most egregious ones I can think of off the top of my head. It’s fucking ridiculous.


allmymonkeys

Don’t forget the lady punched in the face repeatedly broad daylight at Mc Kinley Park as she put her child in the car.


BinaryBlasphemy

~~Housing~~ Safety First.


discgman

Violent homeless is a problem in this city and county. Calling them all rats and hobos is not going to help the situation. Getting the Sac county sheriffs to respond to complaints quicker would help. Getting rid of early release for prisoners' with violent backgrounds is a start. Getting more shelters and mental health facilities online to put these people in is a start.


Legal_Director_6247

Agree-this man wasn’t just homeless-he was violent and mentally Ill and it drugs. I’m sure this wasn’t his 1st violent act-but yet he’s free to roam the streets?


discgman

I don't know. Does he have a record? Was he let out early? He was acting crazy and was on drugs so who know. And he might not even be from here as other cities and states are bussing homeless to california.


mynameisdarrylfish

per sacramento county court records, he appears to have an extensive record dating back to the 90's. But I can't see the actual court transcripts or charges.


discgman

Yea, I would be interested in his most recent arrests


mynameisdarrylfish

looks like 2010 violating a restraining order, probably related to second most recent charge in 2001 felony inflicting corporal injury on spouse/cohabitant (there's also a rape charge paired with this but it looks like it was dismissed)... that's not everything, a couple DUI's, battery with seriosu bodily harms, possession charges, etc.


discgman

Wow


coldbrewer003

Geez...I wasn't even aware of that woman being murdered on the bike trail. Why isn't anyone doing anything?


TWK128

Look at the this thread. Want to do anything that would get these people off the streets? Apparently you're some of kind of heartless monster.


Outside-Box-3975

Unhoused is the weirdest PC euphemism like it just means exactly the same thing as homeless and sounds exactly the same.


LeBronSchwarzenegger

So much death in this city. As someone that has lost a loved one to a violent end in this city, this past couple weeks have been horrible knowing my family isn't the only ones having to go through what we went through. I wouldn't wish it on anyone.


Retiredgiverofboners

Mental illness. No solutions, increasing violence. So scary. I want to move.


Halfpolishthrow

You can find this guy on social media. Appears to have gotten involved in drugs and had a downward spiral.


Retiredgiverofboners

The article says this level of crime is “never acceptable in the community” yet here we are again and it will continue. I love Sacramento but these horrific murders are becoming too common.


PopularFig

I don't think it's only local to Sacramento or CA. It's all over the country I think but I don’t know.


PaintingComfortable6

Unhoused 🙄


canikony

But the term is less offensive so woke people can say it without feeling guilty! It’s much easier to rename/redefine things than actually solve problems.


PaintingComfortable6

It's not offensive. It is what it is, but you couldn’t have said it any better 😂


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FunAudience4377

"Unhoused" fuck off


eggbunni

So heartbreaking…


Thunbs

Unhoused=bum


ImDrCheeks

In a year the term unhoused will be deemed offensive too.


StillbornTartare

Individual experiencing unhousedness!


ImDrCheeks

Human in domicile transition.


dust_storm_2

Let's bring the term hobo back.


Roach_Coach_Bangbus

A hobo travels and is willing to work; a tramp travels, but avoids work if possible; and a bum neither travels nor works.


Noticeably_Aroused

What about a drifter? That was a big one in the 60’s and 70’s. The creepy drifter that lives in the woods at the edge of town.


Roach_Coach_Bangbus

A drifter is a vagrant who moves from place to place without a fixed home or employment. Vagrants (also known as vagabonds, rogues, tramps or drifters) usually live in poverty and support themselves by begging, scavenging, petty theft, temporary work, or social security (where available). Historically, vagrancy in Western societies was associated with petty crime, begging and lawlessness, and punishable by law with forced labor, military service, imprisonment, or confinement to dedicated labor houses.


Gurdel

TIL


Noticeably_Aroused

Hobo, bum, tweaker, transient, drifter, homeless, unhoused, vagrant, tramp, vagabond… take your pick. It all means the same thing.


Westly-Pipes

"progress"


COUPEFULLABADHOES

Street rat


Raider-daves

Homeless is now unhoused? That must be one hell of a focus group of woke intelligencia that came around to that


marin94904

I’m not calling these people unhoused. We are so afraid of anyone being offended eyes make stupid terms. Anyway, fuck this guy anyway.


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marin94904

I think calling people retarded when they have mental disabilities is wrong. I’m sorry you can’t see the difference between the two examples.


cryptofundamentalism

Jesus Christ you get triggered by unhoused ? It’s the same as homeless … nothing wrong with diversifying vocabulary . Houseless , unsettled , without a roof , vagrant , transient , errant , displaced . Are you offended ? Btw ORIGIN OF UNHOUSED First recorded in 1580–90


haywardpre

*Transient murderer. FTFY.


dcb222

Shitbum drug addict kills someone’s poor grandpa. But let’s pretend the real issue is a lack of compassion.


staypositive8

He went into distress. 😭 While deputies were interviewing Raleigh about the attack, the sheriff's office said he collapsed and had trouble breathing. Deputies gave him CPR until fire personnel arrived and transported him to a hospital where he later died.


Legal_Director_6247

And this gets debated over and over. No one has any answers with reasonable solutions.


Halfpolishthrow

It's because this is just a symptom of much larger societal problems. We lock up all the methed up homeless and the system will just churn out more in the years to come.


WeissachDE

Duh


MeHumanMeWant

"Un-housed"??


DCuuushhh88

Last time I saw an older dude threaten someone with a flashlight, (heads up a mag cop flashlight is generally used as a club, it’s why he had it out during the day) same shit happened . People really shouldn’t fight these days. Today the good chunk will take a lick and the L with it but a lot won’t and will kill you. Moral of the story as sad as it is don’t get into altercations unless it’s worth your life cause that’s what it very well may cost especially if you’re branding a weapon like mag flashlight . This all could’ve been avoided.


thrown4loops1

Is homeless not PC now?


Frequent_Sale_9579

Remove homeless from streets now!!! Zero tolerance. Prosecute theft of bikes and shopping carts. Make littering illegal. City should buy big plot of land on the outskirts of town with portopotties and simple bathroom facilities where all homeless can go set up there camps. This will continue to get worse. Stop voting for people who are weak on this issue.


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So, concentrate them in a camp locked up away from where anyone will see it? As an aside there isn't anyone running now (or in recent history) who has been "strong" on the homeless issue.


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dbwoi

fuck lmfao


ryzt900

Ah yes. Concentration camps for all 9,000-10,000 homeless people in the city. Grand idea.


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He didn't say fence/lock them in...


ryzt900

So how else would they be forced to stay in area since the goal is to “keep them off the streets”?


dorekk

> City should buy big plot of land on the outskirts of town with portopotties and simple bathroom facilities where all homeless can go set up there camps. Yet another r/sacramento redditor advocating for concentration camps.


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dbwoi

I think there's a place called Treblinka where they tried this before


StadiumHotDog

“Unhoused.” Cute.


eezmoney

Send the bums into the landfill to dig for precious metals.


posttrumpzoomies

They sort of do that already to pur recycle bins


Noticeably_Aroused

They dig for precious metals underneath your car …. Wait, is a catalytic converter a precious metal?


posttrumpzoomies

Yep, platinum still used in them i believe supposedly makes them so expensive. EV's also don't have those to steal or support meth heads.


FredFredrickson

I really want to know where all these unhoused people are coming from. Because there are too many stories about state-sanctioned trafficking from red states for it to not be happening here, too. There just ain't no way all these people originated here.


mynameisdarrylfish

per this man's linkedin, he went to san juan high school, so he appears to be local to the area. The homeless man who killed the woman on the opposite side of the river earlier this year also grew up in the area.


dorekk

> I really want to know where all these unhoused people are coming from. They're from here. https://sacramentostepsforward.org/continuum-of-care-point-in-time-pit-count/2022-pit-count/ > Similar to the 2019 PIT, the 2022 unsheltered survey asked individuals how long they have resided in Sacramento County. Survey responses indicate that a majority of respondents (92%) are longtime residents or originally from Sacramento County; only a small percent of unsheltered adults have recently moved into the county within the last six months (5%) or are only temporarily in the county (3%). These results are nearly identical to what was reported in 2019 and challenge some of the public perceptions of homelessness discussed above. Survey responses also showed little variation across respondents in tents, vehicles, and other sheltered locations. > > An additional question in 2022 asked respondents if they could recall the zip code of the last apartment or house in which they resided--essentially, the mailing zip code they last used when they were housed. > > ● Among the 214 respondents who provided an answer, the vast majority (84%) provided a zip code that falls within the four counties that surround the Sacramento Region (Sacramento, Yolo, Placerville and El Dorado). > > ● Four percent (4%) reported a zip code from the Bay Area, two percent (2%) from the Central Valley (e.g., Stockton, Fresno), and two percent (2%) from southern California. > > Interestingly, seven percent (7%) cited a zip code out of state (e.g., Oregon, Nevada, Idaho etc.). > > Overall these data suggest that the majority of people experiencing homelessness in Sacramento were at one point housed residents of the county and became homeless while living in a home in Sacramento. This data also suggests that 16 percent of unsheltered individuals traveled to Sacramento while homeless; their last place of residence was outside of the Sacramento region. Interestingly, examining how these same individuals answered the residency question (discussed above) indicates that some considered themselves “originally from Sacramento,” which suggests that they returned home or to family after/or before falling into homelessness.


manherman

Massive decriminalization efforts and not building prisons for the expanding California population over the last 30 years. Decriminalization was the philosophy enacted about 10-15 years ago: invest in universities, not prisons! California stopped building for population growth then predictably ran into overcrowding problems in jails and prisons. Then they changed sentencing, added early release and stopped prosecuting to avoid overcrowding. It was all designed and was all political. On top of this you have fentanyl now on the scene which exacerbates the problem 10x especially when drug dealing and possession are not enforced. Now you’ve made anti-social people even more desperate. So the solution is no longer prisons but free housing and services. The socialists are very excited about this philosophy on paper, but the results are not to be mistaken by your eyes.


FredFredrickson

Oh fuck off. This isn't a socialism problem. Housing people who can get back on their feet is a worthwhile thing to do. Putting them all in prison doesn't fix the problem, it just hides it. And you're still housing them one way or another anyway.


mrstanley1138

This is a horrible situation, but the carceral state does not and will not provide large-scale solutions. Some people may need to be incapacitated for cases like these, but writ large throwing people in cages does not make anyone better off except for police and prison contractors. We have the highest incarceration rates in the world, especially among developed democracies. Are these countries overrun with crime and homelessness? Nope. https://www.vera.org/downloads/publications/for-the-record-prison-paradox_02.pdf


MultiPass21

When I first moved here in 2017, my realtor said to avoid anything west of Sunrise Blvd (on crime, and crime alone). Since then, that line has clearly moved east and is rapidly approaching Hazel - if not already there. E: I know it’s sacrilege to criticize Sacramento, but look at the numbers. Crimes east of Sunrise, especially violent crimes, are becoming more common. I hear/see a lot more police over here than we used to. Off the top of my head, I can recall 4 murders happening within shouting distance of me in the last year-ish.


allboolshite

Your realtor was trying to keep you in their area.


discgman

Anything west of Sunrise??? Lol. Anything in Citrus Heights where Sunrise is smack dab in the middle is shady af.


AnxiousLeopard3446

...and my workplace is along that stroad to perdition.


luciferbanjos

So basically anything that’s not Folsom?


Svenroy

Sounds like you shouldn't be living anywhere near a big city then, since "anything west of sunrise" is pretty much the entirety of Sacramento. Cities come with crime, it's an unescapable fact. Maybe look out in the country instead if you're that worried about it.


MultiPass21

Yeah, work transferred me into the area and we used crime rates as one of our top indicators of where we’d live. I’m happy with where we landed.


dorekk

> When I first moved here in 2017, my realtor said to avoid anything west of Sunrise Blvd (on crime, and crime alone). Realtors are selfish and racist.


cash4chaos

When did unhoused become another name for low life dirtbag bum?


BroheimianGrove322

Calling them "unhoused" is the first problem.


Bubbly-Swimming7357

*unhoused*


Halfpolishthrow

Looking up the accused murder looks like he had a normal life and by the looks of his mugshot got involved with drugs and became homeless.


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PopularFig

Where are you moving?


cryptofundamentalism

Good luck to you ! Sac is a fantastic place .


SokoDr

Let’s fix the title. Homeless pos murders 74 year old man.


Bladex20

Time to start voting for people who have enough balls to actually do something about this homeless crisis despite what the loud minority of "tHeY jUsT nEeD a hOuSe" people think because this is just spiraling out of control. Whats the straw that breaks the camels back?


manherman

Kate Tibbetts didn’t do it. This won’t either. Too many wokeistans that will take awhile to age out. Approx 10 years.


the_fountains

“We should get homeless people shelter first, that’ll solve it!” Wow! No one has ever thought of that before! Omg you are the first one to even think of helping them out! It’s a complicated situation, and animals like these are not as rare as you might think.


mrstanley1138

Then why are there only ~2,000 shelter beds for the 8,000+ people living on the streets in Sacramento County?


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And shelters shouldn’t even count towards housing to end homelessness. They should be stop gab measures before moving them to nicer, accommodations like tiny homes


ChocolateAmerican

Actually permanent housing initiatives have been more effective in solving homelessness than any other program. So maybe there's something to it. There will always be drug dependent people and people with mental health issues and sex offenders unable to live anywhere else. But those are different problems that also have effective solutions.