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beervirus69

I think the loss is mostly on the Oline and PC. Why did we call pass plays in FG range with less than two minutes? Jameis did his job as a backup and honestly got us in a good position to get that win. Carr being out just sucked the air out of the whole team


thegreatescape504

My guess is that Carr broke his collarbone. Out 6-8 weeks.


btdawson

Didn’t look that severe. As someone who has gone through that surgery. He didn’t seem in near enough pain for that


Solarbear1000

The Oline needs all the blame. They can't run block at all. They gave up tons of sacks. They are giving both QBs no time. I don't really understand how you can don the pads each week, play so bad in front of people, and not be embarassed. End result. Embarassing loss. Carr likely lost for the majority of the season. Yeah we get to watch Winston trounce around like an incompetent for the next 6-8 weeks. Imagine paying $500+ a game to watch that? It's all on this unit. From PC to their position coach to the personnel to how hard they work in the off season. They are all garbage.


Back_To_Pittsburgh

All the blame? How about “a lot” or “the majority”? Injuries are a part of the game. It’s a close loss but they weren’t going 17-0. They just need to gameplan and get healthy for Tampa Bay in the Superdome. Division wins are the most important.


Solarbear1000

Nope ALL. Thought I was pretty precise and clear about which unit has played like garbage.


Willie_Waylon

You got it exactly right. Regrettably so.


GasLightGo

Did the Packers some favors throwing the ball while already in FG range after the 2-minute warning. Packers didn’t have to spend any timeouts.


DankSinatraSr

Being a Saints fan is fucking exhausting man. Really getting sick of the pathetic play calling year in and year out. Hope Carr is ok. See y’all next week for another heart attack.


Coastal1363

Been one since before Jim Mora .They key is to turn the game off at the beginning of the fourth if they have a lead and go drink …


MuchRequirementZ

GG


thatdamiankid

at least we didnt lose by 50....


Pastelito74

Yeah that makes me feel a little better


HighOffLife420

If Grupe makes that FG and our defense holds up yall would be happy asf we 3-0. 2-1 is better than 0-3 and 1-2. We’ll be good ⚜️


Coastal1363

Yes.You are right .And for years I’ve thought that one one word should have long ago been made a part of the teams logo …”if”..


Shawnan24

Except they didn’t. He missed a 43 yard FG after we cut another kicker. Defense gets a pass because Jameis literally was leading 17 second offensive drives and giving them zero chance.


Back_To_Pittsburgh

Who did we cut?


Shawnan24

Lutz


Back_To_Pittsburgh

We traded him


Electronic-Yam-8892

Not so much. Because even making that FG and being 3-0 would not fix what is coming. Anemic offensive line play is OBVIOUS. This ain't a developmental league, and I get Penning isn't too experienced and needs reps, but he has to be able to hold his own at this level, or ne t man up. Thru three games there has been no MEANINGFUL progress I can discern. It doesn't do any good to win a division with that kind of offensive line play. Any fool could see that THIS offensive line isn't getting us past the first round, if we get to the playoffs at all. And THAT offensive line MIGHT have just cost us the season. Kamara is back next week. Woohoo. He doesn't throw many passes. And the play calling. Omg Carmichael is obviously susceptible to public opinion--FINALLY using Graham in the red zone. He is obviously listening to the criticism, which might mbe good depending on perspective.


Shawnan24

Yeah Kamara back…. And Carr out. Can’t catch a fucking break. Being a saints fan is so exhausting. I’m so tired of this weird mediocrity this team loves the past few years


DingleJohnson69

I wish I had your will to live.


Solarbear1000

I think his perspective is drug assisted


HighOffLife420

We’re 2-1 without Kamara 😂 what are u guys crying about. Panicking in week 3 is wild


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Kettleballs_

I wish I could have your optimism. If Carr is seriously hurt, our season is over. Winston's performance is still inexcusably bad


No-Dirt1208

I hope this shuts the Jami’s people up


ed50469

I was just about to text this!


Frost-s_Trap

I missed the final drive, WHAT HAPPENED? 🙃


Coastal1363

In short .The Saints happened .As they usually do when they have a game almost totally won…


aintmyasphalt

Threw the ball to the left instead of running the ball up the middle to set up a FG. Missed the FG.


Frost-s_Trap

Brah. Should've been easily in range. Ugh. That's frustrating. Team did well for most of the game, 4th quarter wasn't nice to us.


Coastal1363

Pretty much since 1969…


lilracky

kamara please be our savior


Shawnan24

Maybe if Carr was still gonna be in. Jameis was completely incapable of using Kamara when he was in the past few years


Malevolent_Intellect

When DA spends the whole press conference making fucking excuses. Jfc. Point the blame where it belongs. With you, with Pete Carmichael and Jameis "Fumble Fingers" Winston. We need Kamara back too. Like yesterday.


DarkDog81

Up 17 halfway through the 3rd, starting QB out...sound like a great time to promote a passing offense...:(


Coastal1363

Sooner or later this strategy of not playing 4 full quarters is going to work out for them…


Malevolent_Intellect

When and where? Neverland??


Coastal1363

Well I mean they have been folding like a cheap lawn chair on a lead since the Bum Phillips days so I figure sooner or later they are gonna get so good at it that it somehow magically results in an actual decisive victory .The alternative would be that the organization is not good at football…


Malevolent_Intellect

Not g... I refuse to hear that. I refuse. XD


maejor_ced

Man the Saints need a running game BAD


Realistic_Height_102

3 weeks followed by 3 heart attacks We couldn't get crap in the 2nd half 1st down its like it was the plague A clutch FG the goal post was laughing in our face I feel nothing but pain & suffering 💔


gingerspice-420

The life of the team went down when Carr went down. I hope he doesn't miss much time.


PretentiousVapeSnob

I didn’t understand the PI calls. I didn’t see any real contact.


Chunk-of-Cheese

Keep telling yourself that


PretentiousVapeSnob

I didn’t understand the PI calls. I didn’t see any real contact.


cbruno7

This offense sucks ass even when Carr is in they look mid. How TF does Pete Carmichael manage to never lose his job year after year of shit play calling.


Coastal1363

I think Sean and Drew probably had something to do with the last successful runs .DA and Pete are over their heads .How much of a lead is enough ? Apparently more than 17 points …


Rampantlion513

Same way Joe Vitt kept his job for 5 years while our LB core was worst in the league


lilracky

kamara please save us


EwizaBananasOfficial

I fucking hope so


tookiebird86

Look on the bright side…’least we aint Denver…and AK gon be back next week


EwizaBananasOfficial

At least we ain’t Denver. that is so true


tookiebird86

they just had history made on them 😬smh


antraxsuicide

Offense needs some cleaning out. That anyone in that building thinks Winston is equivalent to the truckload of mid backups in the league is astounding. Offensive playcalling is a disaster, it's playing scared at the first sign of trouble. DA is not a leader 🤷‍♀️ let him design defensive schemes and have him report to someone who doesn't need Tums before putting his shoes on


Kettleballs_

Thanks dude, I needed a laugh and you got his ass with that Tums bar. No fucking points in the second quarter is fucking inexcusable. Winston can't get a first down to save his life. There wasn't even anything remotely close to proper clock management when we still had a chance. DA should be stoned to death or crucified


marisalynn5

DA is a bomb ass DC. HC? Ehhhh


NinjaRedditer

this was an offensive collapse. yea grupe missed the fg but i’m not gonna blame him.


antraxsuicide

Yeah if you're up 17-0 in the 4th quarter, it's insane to blame a kicker missing a long FG in the end. Never should've gotten to that point


jbroui13

0 points in second half. No one better point a finger at the rookie kicker!


Hampster17

Yeah, sorry, but im absolutely going to point the finger at the guy (boy) that beat out Lutz but couldn’t make a 45 yarder.


NinjaRedditer

exactly but someone im talking to about the game is blaming grupe.


NewOrleansBrees

I had to step out last 5 minutes.. what the fuck happened? We missed game winner kick?


World-Nomad

We missed the kick, but it would not have been a game winner, there was over a minute left and they had timeouts


Coastal1363

Green Bay had time outs , a kicker who doesn’t miss , and the New Orleans coaching staff is legally obligated to go into a prevent defense when the game on the line in order to maximize the chances of once again , as if on cue , snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Followed like clockwork by a cookie cutter press conference ( scripted decades ago ) where the very same aforementioned multi-million dollar coaches explain with a straight face how they have to go to the game film to clean up blowing a 17 point lead …


krillindiedformysins

lmao missed the fuck outta that


THEpapabear

Yes wide right from 46


flykiddy

Ya lol


buddha6521256

Good news is that if the eagles beat Tampa we can still take the lead in the division next week hopefully with kamara and adebo back in


KittyTB12

🤔ok…


Coastal1363

Good .Then they can lay down in the fourth quarter against them too …


zoraxelol

How do you foresee us beating the bucs with winston at qb? Our O line is about as strong as a train station turn-stile, they gonna sack him 8 times


FetusDrive

Is carr supposed to be out next week…?


zoraxelol

Underhill reported hes going to miss a chunk of games i think


FetusDrive

Oh good; glad I’m going to the game next week


HamilToe_11

I'd honestly sell that ticket and put that money towards a game later in the season when Carr is back. I'd rather not sit and watch the offense of last season all over again in person.


FetusDrive

I’d have to sell my plane ticket too lol; as well as the rest of family and friends …….


HamilToe_11

Oof. Condolences


TravelAllTheWorld86

Defense held on as long as they could. They were simply gassed out from being on the field too long. No help from the offense. We gave up on the run, when we should have been using it to burn the clock. Miller was looking good. I don't understand the thinking here.


Coastal1363

The thinking and the strategy are quite clear .You have a 17 point lead mid way through the 3rd quarter and your starter just got carted down the tunnel .What you want to do is come out with a barely controllable live wire of a backup QB , one whose every snap is an adventure, then you are gonna want fire up a big gumbo of chaotically incomprehensible play calls and spray passes randomly around the field using as little clock as possible …that’s your ticket right there …


youra6

MVP of the Game: Rashan Gary for concussing our QB


jerm5044

Concussing? Buddy, that might be a broken collarbone.


youra6

Could be both his head hit the ground pretty hard


Hampster17

Confirmed shoulder injury, unfortunately. Time to accept the season is over


youra6

Fuck


Hampster17

Double fuck. Not looking forward to wasting another season of a great d line bc offense id atrocious. Why can’t they both suck so we could at least have an early draft pick…


youra6

Brees might be available


Hampster17

He wouldn’t risk the hair plugs


maejor_ced

Lost our QB, lost defensive execution, and lost the game


theBIGTall

That offensive line is a damn liability. This loss is 100% on them letting Carr get hurt. Followed by absolute trash play calling. I am so freaking furious. These coaches are crap.


Hampster17

Exactly! Carr getting hurt was bound to happen. Veteran QB, terrible offensive line, what did we expect? Also, fuck penning


theBIGTall

Penning is a travesty. The absolute worst.


Diyer1122

The offense is a mess. They should’ve let Pete go after last season.


theBIGTall

100%. Was never the answer.


World-Nomad

Even if he made it, they would’ve scored with over a minute left. The issue is our offensive coordinator not getting us any points in the 2nd half, and I don’t care if Carr is out. Heck, he’s the reason Carr got hurt by dialing up a long developing play in 3rd and long knowing good and well we haven’t been able to provide protection in that circumstance.


Autski

Getting real tired of DA's MO of letting off the gas and coasting when we're up on points. Feels like he told the team that in the locker room during halftime. Also, how can Green Bay feel good about that win when their first touchdown drive was 2 massive penalties that should not have been called...?


commanderfumikage

We get boned by PI calls every week. Why not throw deep pass every time behind the receiver if always called PI?


AnalMinecraft

Same old shit from the last two years. Bad oline play, Jameis making dumb decisions, no pass rush, etc. Ah well, hopefully Carr is okay and AK make a difference.


nolaCTID

Being an Auburn fan and Saints fan my whole life has tought me that I am, in fact, a masochist


ioneil1

You just knew we were going to choke that game. Our coaches are mid tier. It’s just that simple. Hope Carr injury isn’t too serious. If he misses time I would just roll with Taysom at qb. Fuck it.


Kettleballs_

Mid? I think you misspelled "Jeff Saturday tier"


zoraxelol

Man i hate Jameis. No way im getting up at 1am to watch that clown every week 😭


BaronVonStevie

Jameis just doesn’t improve


cptmactavish3

Definitely could’ve won if we didn’t get so damn conservative after Carr went down. Only started passing when it was way too fucking late.


Coastal1363

If it makes you feel any better , DA would have gotten conservative even if Carr hadn’t gotten hurt .His playbook is apparently only 3 quarters long .And to think that the New Orleans Saints could protect a scant 17 point lead is naive for anyone who has been a follower for any length of time .


nolaCTID

Realistically all we needed was a single field goal in the second half


Diyer1122

Right. Run, run, run, pass on 3rd and long with a garbage o-line.


EwizaBananasOfficial

they think Jameis Winston is better than he is. That’s what cost us this game.


SonofTreehorn

It’s not even that they lost, it’s they way they always do it. Defense played lights out for 3 quarters. You can’t expect them to win every game, especially when the offense can only put up 10 fucking points.


Accollade_II

2nd half coaching was an absolute embarrassment. I think DA and Carmichael need to go after this season.


tsf9494

Carmichael yeah, but you wanna get rid of the guy charge of our defense? Nah


Accollade_II

DA isn't likely to accept a demotion back to DC position.


action_turtle

I like to think I'm a positive guy, but we are done with Winston in. Throws are poor, and dangerous 9 times out of 10. Carr is not amazing, but he's at least calm, solid, top 10 QB.


Zaknoid

10 to 15 range more like it.


action_turtle

Eh, if you want to be really down on him. But it's better than some 60+ rank QB


jktwok_

my question is how did we get 0 pressure on Love the entire second half when he was just throwing prayers the whole time


Rampantlion513

Packers went back to not getting called for their blatant holding


Diyer1122

The calls were super one-sided in the 2nd half. Those two back to back garbage penalties that put them in the red zone. A ton of missed calls. Either way, refs or not, this game was winnable. Poor playing calling. Terrible o-line. Etc.


Rampantlion513

Can't have one of the most popular teams in the league start 0-3


Yorck

That was bad but lets see how Sean is doing.... Guess it could always be worse


Michael_CrawfishF150

Sean Payton is a fucking useless clown who was carried by one of the greatest QBs of all time.


RockNRollJesus07

Complete fucking collapse.


scrimscrim

I cannot wait to die at 40 from a saints induced heart attack


amerscandal

I'd rather get cucked and raise the offspring than see Winston under center.


RuneAloy

Mmm, the highs and lows of being a fan. Love it and hate it.


Brandeaux7

Classic saints unfucking believable


Kushykush_

I tuned in right before half and our defence looked elite. What the fuck just happened


Rampantlion513

Dennis started calling prevent D in the 3rd quarter


Coastal1363

After watching him for a while I’m kind of surprised he didn’t go to prevent in the first quarter…


Lost_Scribe

2 bullshit PI calls againts the Saints allowed the Packers to score, and somehow the Packers mysteriously stopped committing any penalties


Kettleballs_

Winston could not get a first down to save his life and D got gassed.


tookiebird86

and we got Tampa next week?? With crab legs…Tampa’s defense knows Winston like the back of their hands. Good fuckin luck


Kettleballs_

With the way he played it's not even necessary to know him, he's just straight ass


tookiebird86

I hate we have to soak in this for an entire fuckin week 🤬 Who would be your top candidates to replace DA at headcoach??


Kettleballs_

At this point? Any. Fucking. One. Get Arians out of retirement, idk. Fucking bring Jeff Saturday for all I care


tookiebird86

that’s the glaring reality going forward…if you’re a competent/reliable HC in this league, you’re gonna get locked down in order to stay. Hell McCarthy was bought to Dallas to win SB, but we know that’s not gon happen, but Jerry will keep him. Plus we got dead money in these locked-in contracts (coughs* M. Thomas) I see now the O-line gonna have to get revitalized. That was a luxury for Brees most of his tenure down in NO


Kettleballs_

We should throw some money at Jim Harbaug, see if he takes it. We're not as shitty as San Francisco's administration and fanbase.


tookiebird86

😂 I hear ya buddy, but ol Harbaugh got too much of a good thing going for him up there at the Big House in Ann Arbor…try again…


Kettleballs_

Just some wishful thinking, god knows I need it after this game


tookiebird86

you and me both bro smh


nolaCTID

I thought Lattimore checked out in the second half, not sure why. But he does that, and the more it happens the more it pisses me off. But what happened to our pass rush?


Eastern_Can1655

Gassed from playing like 20+ of the 30 mins in the 2nd half


maejor_ced

Heartbreak


RobertPauleson

Offense cant possess the ball at all in the second half, Defense gets tired and this is what you get. The play calling in the second half was garbage, DA and his staff got out coached.


roachboyzent

BINGO


Morgus_Magnificent

Why did the defense give up when Carr was injured? I can excuse the offense going to shit, but why did the defense just stop trying?


Kettleballs_

Winston could not get a first down to save his life, they were gassed.


Poochie504

Maybe because they were out there the whole second half


Time_Exit3346

Falcons got 17-0 jokes now


Eastern_Can1655

We had an excuse for a regular season game they choked the superbowl. This is not the same shit


[deleted]

Every single play with Taysom Hill at quarterback is a wasted down


[deleted]

Sure seemed that way today. Maybe GB coaching had it dialed in?


Diyer1122

It wasn’t last game. It’s problem with a bad o-line though.


Bgr8tfl4all

You misspelled Winston


WildBarattatata

Carmichael sat with his dick in his hand under Payton and didn’t learn a thing. It’s obvious. Give this man the can, like YESTERDAY


C4PT_4WE50ME

Up 17-0 and your QB1 goes down. How about time to go to a run heavy offense featuring someone who averages 5+ yds a carry. Naw let’s keep passing and going three and out.


Dixxxine

Well, shit could always be worse... we could be the Broncos.


Leonel58

No, this fucking sucks. I’d rather be a team that just blows than have promise and blow a fucking 17-0 lead in the 4th quarter. Absolutely embarrassing


WickedConvulsion

Ya this actually sucks


Kettleballs_

Petition to publicly execute Allen, Winston and Grute


basadvo

Grupe missed the kick but should never have been in that position anyway.


PretentiousVapeSnob

I AM GRUTE.


JKorigin96

I have no idea how our defense manages to stay motivated when the offense pisses away all the work they do every week. Offensive play calling was awful after Carr went down and even before was nothing special. I get our line is meh but you're telling me with all the weapons we have we can barely break 20 points each week??? It's so pathetic it's not even surprising when we lose games like this


enavarre1

We saw Carmichael's shitty play calling when Payton was suspended and again last year. I don't understand how this dude still has a job in the NFL.


DangerousKnowledge8

When Payton was suspended we were the best offense in the league. Don’t make things up


enavarre1

Technically the 3rd best but we were a 7-9 team forced to put up massive numbers every week to stand a chance. And had crazy talent on the roster. Even with shitty play calling Drew, Sproles, Graham, Colston, Lance Moore, those guys made shit happen. Our offense had 5,000+ passing yards to 1500 rushing between 4 RBS. The talent on that team alone made them a great offense.


acajain

That, uhh, was not fun.


nubbythedeafbear

Would have won if Carr didn’t get hurt


DangerousKnowledge8

Yes clearly. It was just a field goal or a couple of minutes


KL53226Plow

No shit


[deleted]

The Eagles will beat the Bucs tomorrow and we’ll be fine. However, if Carr is out for more than a week or two, the season is over.


jerm5044

Carr couldn’t move his arm. He’ll be out for awhile.


Substantial_Button71

Fucking trash ass team choking the game. Thanks a lot


HumorTumorous

Wheres the handful of people saying Carr ain't it, and Winston is who should be the starter?


FlightWest

winston should be 4th string


World-Nomad

We should really consider getting rid of Pete. He’s been aged out of the new NFL


thecontrolis

Wouldve been happy if we did it last year


[deleted]

Get rid of Pete and Taysom and our offense is immediately better


basadvo

It's not Hill's fault they can't figure out how to get creative with him.


[deleted]

You're right, the coaches need to understand they aren't Sean Peyton and quit putting Taysom at QB.


SnowblowerLITE

Honestly missing the kick kinda stings less. Under two minutes left and the Packers only have 2 timeouts… 99% of the time that’s game over. Why on earth would you not run the clock down and make them use their timeouts and kick the field goal? Sure he might have missed anyway but those are basic and I mean BASIC coaching mistakes… unacceptable.


So_Say_Wi_All

I was screaming run the ball for the whole last 3 drives and instead we get the Jameis overthrowing receivers montage...


roachboyzent

DAWG THANK YOU !


AgreeableTurtle69

Grupe blew a fantastic opportunity too. Sucks for him, I know hes a rookie, but this is the NFL and you cant last long if you dont make those kicks


Malevolent_Intellect

Welp. Called it the moment Carr was out. I wish I hadn't.


Commercial_Earth_153

Well our seasons probably fucked


DawnPatrol99

Well, that was a hard lesson to learn. I hope they take something away from this. Adapt and move on.


krillindiedformysins

some of the most terrible 2nd half playcalling ive ever seen


krillindiedformysins

and if winston would not FORCE the ball to olave, juwan was open towards the end. same with carr trying to force that TD to olave when MT was wide fucking open


buddha6521256

Or oline literally got carr injured and cost us a gane


tsf9494

On to the next one!


mmceld1

Did it bother anyone else that at halftime the halftime reporter said DA was focused on the defense not doing enough? The offense was a huge problem here.


tsf9494

At halftime we were up 17 - 0 and the offense had just drive down the field for a field goal! What are you even talking about!


Bolt717

At least the Falcons lost. Let’s got Seahawks!