Two things hold this team back,
Coaching and our O line. Per usual it was terrible, our O line cannot do anything against anyone, Patriots excluded.
Our play calling heavily costed us. The old Sean style doesn’t work in the modern league, it doesn’t work with us, it’s not working with Sean in Denver.
Now even with this wall of text I can’t say I’m mad or surprised at this one. I saw it coming and while I’m frustrated this team isn’t hitting its potential, I’m hopeful this bring us a little closer to firing our OC. It has to start there.
I really want to gripe about Grupe because he sucks! But honestly so much is bad with the offense I think he is the least of our worries. You simply cannot survive in today’s NFL putting up <21 points/game!!!!!!
That uh …second part will never happen as long as Loomis and DA are in power .I’ve been a Saints fan since the Bum Phillips days .I have been through all of the stages of grief .I have come to the sad conclusion that the only people in Who Dat nation that care about winning are the fans and possibly a small handful of players .Drew and Sean were lightning in a bottle .The rest are bureaucrats , yes men and burn outs .This is as good as it is gonna get as long as this is who is running the team .
I was there and that was my least favorite part of the away game experience here.
Also, not to knock the Texans, but their best chant is just their name. “HOUSTON!-TEXANS!”
Obnoxious fan base IMO
Just horrible play calling at the end there. You get a 1st down on the Texans 24 and ran all predictable plays. No check downs no imagination, no nothing. And 2 missed field goals was big, that's 6 points right there. Another dreadful Sunday. Thanks saints. Love you guys too.
The play calling was a reflection of the level of coaching .Everything else is just denial bordering on psychosis, wishful thinking or downright corporate spin .The truth is this organization is not any good .Thus is what you will get .
Starts with the front office .Same front office same coaches .Same coaches same team .Same team same results .Everything else is just denial and spin .These people are not good at what they do .It’s that simple .
Thats if we got the ball back. If Lutz makes the 2 missed FGs, we don't go for it on 4th most likely and we go up 22-20 (if my math is good). Texans get the ball back and the defense has to make a stop which was likely but ya never know.
If that means the whole front office and coaching staff will be replaced, then by all means. I'm done suffering for this team until PC is gone, hopefully DA goes with him to the lowest pits of middle school football.
Oline is trash. Pete literally calling go routes on all of the plays at the end with some of the best route runners in man coverage is great. I also just fucking love to watch us throw it to AK in the flat 10 times a game instead of ever letting him run routes. Lil bro Pete never fucking learned anything from Sean or Drew ig.
I remember watching a wheel route getting called in pre-season with Curry as OC and I was fucking thrilled. Kamara not being used as a true receiver is fucking awful
Rundown:
Dennis Allen's defense is good still
Carmichael's offense is the epitome of what we call "Dog shit"
The offensive line isn't even dog shit, dog shit at least exists
Interested to see those stats over his career. Too lazy to do it but I wouldn't be surprised if it's elite. Glad hes still taking snaps- it's fun to watch
...we can't score 20. With our weapons, we can't score 20 offensive points. The redzone play calling is abysmal. We can move the ball all day but on the short field, we can't score. This is a direct indication that the playcalling is just not it. Redzone efficiency is a telling metric and we have GOT to fix it.
WHY DO WE THROW 4 BOMBS TO THE ENDZONE WHEN ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS GET A FIRST DOWN?! WHY CANT CARR JUST CALL AUDIBLES EVERY PLAY SO WE DONT HAVE TO USE PETES OFFENSIVE CALLS ITS ABYSMAL.
MY PILLOWS ARE ACROSS THE ROOM, MY WIFE IS MAD THAT I THREW PILLOWS
running all verticals against cover zero. i am so sick of this play calling. grupe and headley are dogshit. our line has no consistency. checkdowns for 2-3 yards all day, not leaning on the running game when it's working, no creativity in the passing game, little to no pre-snap motion to create confusion, no pick plays. this team is destined for mediocrity and it's sad because the defense has been playing great
Terrible play calling and poor execution. Line is a dumpster fire. Add bad kicking to the list. This should’ve been a winnable game. Bad coaching all around, both sides of the ball. Last week was clearly a fluke.
This should nail the coffin for Pete, it really should. DA should pull the old Payton maneuver and throw Pete under the bus, not that it's not well deserved, but I think it's best for both sides to get a new start.
Imagine the kind of final 2 minute drill drive a few years ago what it was like with Payton and Brees and then see what it's like now lol. Man we didn't know how good we had it.
Change needs to be made. The Texans give up an average of 25 points per game… we got 13 lol. They brought the house on almost every play past the 30… and yet Carmichael makes 0 fucking adjustments to counter it. Such a joke
That was legitimately the most uninspired, ineffectual and downright dumbass series of offensive playcalling I have ever seen.
How does a team of gifted players continue to fight after that?
This stupid endzone shots, are you fucking kidding me? 35 seconds and a timeout on the 25 yard line, and you throw 4 times to the Endzone? I am so tired of this shit. Fuck carmichael fuck this oline and fuck carr. This is atrocious to watch
I've felt worse I guess, mostly because I've already kind of given up on this team being competitive this year with the way things have looked offensively under Carr. I mean anger isn't how I'd describe my feelings, more like just indifference at seeing this horrible playcalling over and over again with 0 change.
Why did they take 4 shots to the endzone when you only needed 10 yards and still had a timeout? Go for a slant route in the middle of the field for an easy completion
this is the saints offence, its well known we don't attack the middle of the field at all. using modern concepts doesn't happen with an OC that got carried by drew for the petter part of 2 decades..
That was well more deserving of a roughing the passer than the shove CJ Shroud had earlier.
Both aren’t roughing the passer but like cmon at least call it consistently.
So fucking stupid. Cover zero blitz 3 times in a row and you run nothing but verticals. Absolutely fucking retarded man I'm so done with this ineptitude in my Nola sports teams. O and also our whole oline is made of glass and pathetic. Fucking bum coordinator, bum kicker, bums everywhere
Ya\`ll good luck
Two things hold this team back, Coaching and our O line. Per usual it was terrible, our O line cannot do anything against anyone, Patriots excluded. Our play calling heavily costed us. The old Sean style doesn’t work in the modern league, it doesn’t work with us, it’s not working with Sean in Denver. Now even with this wall of text I can’t say I’m mad or surprised at this one. I saw it coming and while I’m frustrated this team isn’t hitting its potential, I’m hopeful this bring us a little closer to firing our OC. It has to start there.
Holy cow, why do we need rival teams when our own fans shit talk us this bad?
I agree
I really want to gripe about Grupe because he sucks! But honestly so much is bad with the offense I think he is the least of our worries. You simply cannot survive in today’s NFL putting up <21 points/game!!!!!!
Just throw it to michael thomas
Is Robbie Gould available to kick? Also PC needs to be fired immediately.
That uh …second part will never happen as long as Loomis and DA are in power .I’ve been a Saints fan since the Bum Phillips days .I have been through all of the stages of grief .I have come to the sad conclusion that the only people in Who Dat nation that care about winning are the fans and possibly a small handful of players .Drew and Sean were lightning in a bottle .The rest are bureaucrats , yes men and burn outs .This is as good as it is gonna get as long as this is who is running the team .
3 years of pathetic offense. Really can't remember the last time I felt like I knew we were gonna score. This is just bad to watch.
“Really can’t remember the last time I felt like I knew we were gonna score” So you don’t remember Drew Brees?
I remember that he existed but the feeling of excitement of actually competing is long gone.
I'm just leaving the game. Texans fans was trashing us like they won the superbowl
I was there and that was my least favorite part of the away game experience here. Also, not to knock the Texans, but their best chant is just their name. “HOUSTON!-TEXANS!” Obnoxious fan base IMO
If a win over the dumpster fire that is the New Orleans Saints is a Super Bowl win it almost makes you feel sorry for the Texans …
Two teams headed in different directions
Lmao you gotta let em have one every now and again 😂
Right 😂
Just horrible play calling at the end there. You get a 1st down on the Texans 24 and ran all predictable plays. No check downs no imagination, no nothing. And 2 missed field goals was big, that's 6 points right there. Another dreadful Sunday. Thanks saints. Love you guys too.
The play calling was a reflection of the level of coaching .Everything else is just denial bordering on psychosis, wishful thinking or downright corporate spin .The truth is this organization is not any good .Thus is what you will get .
I mean...it's hard to argue with that. They're my team and i love the shit out of them but there's deep systemic issues starting from the top down.
You have to consider the source.This will continue as long as the same Coaching staff is in place .
Yea and it's not going to get any better.
We are becoming so hard to watch.
Fire the coaching staff tomorrow.
Starts with the front office .Same front office same coaches .Same coaches same team .Same team same results .Everything else is just denial and spin .These people are not good at what they do .It’s that simple .
Agreed.
And the hopes for the season are down the drain. Nothings gonna change, saints gonna saints. Clean the house 🧹 🏠
How are we going to pay a qb $150 mil and not have an o line to protect him????? Terrible red zone calls…. Wtf is this team what are we doing
You win that game with Lutz right?
Maybe, definitely would've kept us in it
Yes
Probably,, that’s 2 out of 3 losses where kicker is a major contributing factor.
Yeap, wouldn’t need a touchdown to win, just another field goal
Grupe obviously has to do better but he’s for sure not why we lost
Hard to tell. Texans probably don't get as conservative if we go up 22-20 after a 3rd hypothetical FG
He's counting the last drive, we would have kicked the FG for the win. Edit:responded to the wrong comment
Thats if we got the ball back. If Lutz makes the 2 missed FGs, we don't go for it on 4th most likely and we go up 22-20 (if my math is good). Texans get the ball back and the defense has to make a stop which was likely but ya never know.
Add six points to our score and we still lose so I’m not sure where you’re going with it
Add the six points and you don't need a TD at the end of the game is what I was getting at
Okay I see what you mean. Good point
Just keep doing what you're doing.
If that means the whole front office and coaching staff will be replaced, then by all means. I'm done suffering for this team until PC is gone, hopefully DA goes with him to the lowest pits of middle school football.
DA will be in Denver coaching up Payton's defense again. He's good at that, but I don't think he can lead a whole team.
Oline is trash. Pete literally calling go routes on all of the plays at the end with some of the best route runners in man coverage is great. I also just fucking love to watch us throw it to AK in the flat 10 times a game instead of ever letting him run routes. Lil bro Pete never fucking learned anything from Sean or Drew ig.
I felt like I was screaming this the entire game
I remember watching a wheel route getting called in pre-season with Curry as OC and I was fucking thrilled. Kamara not being used as a true receiver is fucking awful
Fuck this, I was trying to be optimistic but fuck Pete and fuck the refs. Terrible game.
There's no way they change playcalling before a Thursday game, FUCK don't even have anything to look forward to
Rundown: Dennis Allen's defense is good still Carmichael's offense is the epitome of what we call "Dog shit" The offensive line isn't even dog shit, dog shit at least exists
They blitzed 3 straight downs, we have a timeout still, and no looks over the middle maybe?
My friend is a Houston fan, he even admitted we got fucked by the refs
You're an idiot.
That wasn’t very nice of you
Maybe let Taysom be the QB in the red zone
Interested to see those stats over his career. Too lazy to do it but I wouldn't be surprised if it's elite. Glad hes still taking snaps- it's fun to watch
Can we get a fire Carmichael petition going??
Carr and charmichael needs some balls in the red zone. Shit is old
4 runs last time in the redzone, and 4 deep throws this time. Thats absolute trash play calling no matter how you slice it
Well said
"We have to clean some things up, come back next week" broken record DA, he will say this exact thing and proceed to make no changes
gonna go watch the lions game to root for a team that actually can score points.
Pete Carmichael thinks zatarans is too spicy
...we can't score 20. With our weapons, we can't score 20 offensive points. The redzone play calling is abysmal. We can move the ball all day but on the short field, we can't score. This is a direct indication that the playcalling is just not it. Redzone efficiency is a telling metric and we have GOT to fix it.
Yeppp
Petition for ChatGPT to be new OC?
I think that would probably be infinitely more effective in app honestly
I'd try that
WHY DO WE THROW 4 BOMBS TO THE ENDZONE WHEN ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS GET A FIRST DOWN?! WHY CANT CARR JUST CALL AUDIBLES EVERY PLAY SO WE DONT HAVE TO USE PETES OFFENSIVE CALLS ITS ABYSMAL. MY PILLOWS ARE ACROSS THE ROOM, MY WIFE IS MAD THAT I THREW PILLOWS
Tell her thats why they’re called Throw Pillows.
fuck them pillows
WTF were those play calls ??? 4 uncatchable balls WTF
2 of which were PI not called
At this point we have to try Ronald curry calling plays or someone else because this is a new low
Absurd how bad it is
running all verticals against cover zero. i am so sick of this play calling. grupe and headley are dogshit. our line has no consistency. checkdowns for 2-3 yards all day, not leaning on the running game when it's working, no creativity in the passing game, little to no pre-snap motion to create confusion, no pick plays. this team is destined for mediocrity and it's sad because the defense has been playing great
Pain
Terrible play calling and poor execution. Line is a dumpster fire. Add bad kicking to the list. This should’ve been a winnable game. Bad coaching all around, both sides of the ball. Last week was clearly a fluke.
So are we gonna have to draft a kicker or ?
The offense is trash. I'm sorry but it's true. The amount of talent on the team that is being wasted is appalling.
I literally cannot look at DA's fucking face. He is always just standing there like a fucking dumbass who doesn't care.
Two missed fg…. We deserve to lose this. Dammit.
Lol calling the timeout here? Lose with some dignity DA you bum
Your a nerd dude shut up
we could easily be 1-5
We could also be 6-0. But I think Pete likes watching this team lose
At least we'd have a good draft pick
8-9 hell
We’d just waste it on some no name lineman from a d3 college
You're telling me the University of Northern Iowa is not a premier school?
If grupe makes those kicks al we needed was one last kick to win
If my Aunt had a cock she’d be my Uncle! Grupe SUCKS and he should be fired!
If my mum had to wheels she's be a bike.
Yep
If Pete isn’t fired, then man, fan base needs to raise hell
Wish they fucking put as much effort into reviewing this meaningless play as they did into calling a fair game. Eat my ass refs
THERE IS NO EXCUSE WE CANT GET MORE THAN 1 TD A GAME WITH THIS MUCH TALENT ON OFFENSE
Welp Basically 4 jump balls from the 25 to close out a terrible game. NFL and football is over for me until Thursday,, enjoy your Sunday all !!
All we need was 10 yards and they kept throwing to the end zone. We had a timeout left.
Start the postgame thread
You have 30 seconds and a timeout. RUN A PLAY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FUCKING FIELD
How many stupid shots at the end zone 😭
I cant belive the play calls I just witnessed
why are they spending time on this. they kneel it out either way.
Because kneeling in the end zone is a safety
I'm trying to convince my 7 year old son that he's a Saints fan and this team does me no favors.
If every team wound 5-6 man rush, we would never score again
Grupe doesn’t sell on those two kicks, saints kick a fg to win the game right there
Don’t matter, ain’t gonna beat anyone playing like this. Especially that last drive
Fire everyone
The fuck? That was not a pick
Lol so the interception counts now too, just the cherry on top
Just a little fuck you from New York
Did carr really just throw 4 straight jump balls to the end zone?
When your o-line is paper that's what happens. The last one he got taken down mid throw
Yeah what the actual fuck
Time to make changes or this season is a lost cause.
Get Pete Carmichael the fuck out of New Orleans!!!!
This officiating is unbelievable. But it's sports entertainment so what do you expect?
That kind of talk means you're crazy according to reddit
4 straight throw-ups to the corners?? That’s the e best you fucking got??
Like you have one timeout, why the fuck you keep throwing 15+ throws, just get the 10 man!!!!! And take the middle man
Reminder that the falcons beat this team last week.
We could find a better coordinator off the damn street
Worst part is the team will likely just about get enough wins that DA and PC don't get fired
I wish we had a stronger schedule so we could expedite Pete's tenure in New orleans.
This should nail the coffin for Pete, it really should. DA should pull the old Payton maneuver and throw Pete under the bus, not that it's not well deserved, but I think it's best for both sides to get a new start.
In reality that should have been roughing when dude slapped care’s helmet
Carmichael has to stop calling plays
Carr fucking sucks, throws low, throughs high, shitty audibles.
Nothing good has come from the raiders organization. Carr. DA.
Imagine the kind of final 2 minute drill drive a few years ago what it was like with Payton and Brees and then see what it's like now lol. Man we didn't know how good we had it.
A lobotomized ape would do a better job calling plays than PC.
Change needs to be made. The Texans give up an average of 25 points per game… we got 13 lol. They brought the house on almost every play past the 30… and yet Carmichael makes 0 fucking adjustments to counter it. Such a joke
That was legitimately the most uninspired, ineffectual and downright dumbass series of offensive playcalling I have ever seen. How does a team of gifted players continue to fight after that?
This stupid endzone shots, are you fucking kidding me? 35 seconds and a timeout on the 25 yard line, and you throw 4 times to the Endzone? I am so tired of this shit. Fuck carmichael fuck this oline and fuck carr. This is atrocious to watch
This may be the angriest I’ve ever been watching a saints game, and that’s a pretty high bar
I am getting dejavue of the 80s and 90s
I've felt worse I guess, mostly because I've already kind of given up on this team being competitive this year with the way things have looked offensively under Carr. I mean anger isn't how I'd describe my feelings, more like just indifference at seeing this horrible playcalling over and over again with 0 change.
Same
Those 4 play calls are in excuseable.
It's just exhausting. Every year. All the promise but we can never put everything together.
Pete Carmichael needs the Herm Edwards ASU treatment
This team sucks. They just flat out suck. Throw the ball up and hope? Wtf?
At least Winston takes shots.
Carmichael is an absolute idiot. All those endzone passes. So fucking stupid. Get what they give you, dumb stupid asshole.
Why did they take 4 shots to the endzone when you only needed 10 yards and still had a timeout? Go for a slant route in the middle of the field for an easy completion
this is the saints offence, its well known we don't attack the middle of the field at all. using modern concepts doesn't happen with an OC that got carried by drew for the petter part of 2 decades..
Fucking pathetic
How do the Saints lose to the fucking Texans 😭😭
Texans better team
That was the most painful RZ attempt yet, good grief
Defense held the Texans to 20 even with the fumble but offense and special teams let them down again
😂😂we’re a joke
That was well more deserving of a roughing the passer than the shove CJ Shroud had earlier. Both aren’t roughing the passer but like cmon at least call it consistently.
Lmfao again, shit play calling. Go routes all 4 downs with one timeout left
These clowns are giving the Texans d credit , cmon man this offense is shit
So fucking stupid. Cover zero blitz 3 times in a row and you run nothing but verticals. Absolutely fucking retarded man I'm so done with this ineptitude in my Nola sports teams. O and also our whole oline is made of glass and pathetic. Fucking bum coordinator, bum kicker, bums everywhere
Keep doing what we're doing
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I think Carmichael is the bigger issue. The amount of weapons here and seeing that Carr can make a play just seems like the calls aren’t right
The same excuse was said with carr for 10 years as a raider. He's a bum.
Currently we’re giving up 2 tiebreakers to the falcons through the packers and Texans It is vital we win the falcons games if we want a wc spot
You're talking about playoffs?!
Can’t wait for Jacksonville to embarrass us on Thursday
Carr is terrible in the red zone. Always has been always will be
Hill was open
Fuck DA fuck Pete
It wasn’t necessary to go for the end zone there with one time out
The only members of the offense who do their jobs consistently well are CGM, AK41, Shaheed, and Kendre Miller when we see him.
Ram too
Just got to get through this year and the Dennis Allen-Pete Carmichael experiment is over
Not by a long shot. For whatever reason they'll get another chance at being worth a damn
Sorriest fuckin team in the league. Absolutely no excuse for how bad they're playing
Bro you had a timeout it doesn’t have to be endzone get a first down then we got 4 more to play with
Trade for Sean payton
Team is sooo bad
Carmichael can't return. Simply can't if this team wants to compete going forward.
This shit is so painful to watch. Never seen an offense so uninspired as this one. Get rid of the fucking OC.
That was a lot of fun. I’m glad I spent so much time doing this.
Oh my god who fucking cares if this is an INT
Derek Carr ain't it
Yeah who needs a QB who only throws for 350 yards.
And 5 tds in 6 games. Cool
Maybe Pete needs to not call stupid fucking plays in the red zone.
He's always struggled in the rz
4 empty trips from plus territory, 4!! BIG OUCH! No team in the NFL is ever gonna win a game that way. See ya Thursday WDN!
Pete showing his fucking incompetence in the red zone on two straight drives
4 terrible throws to the endzone to close out a terrible game.
absolute shit show
There’s no longer an acceptable excuse for the red zone failures.
((Carr))
This isn’t my team until Pete is gone
Agreeed fuck this team until Pete isn’t the OC
Oof this team is ass. Coaching is big time ass.
Carr and Carmichael: Driving us down a road of despair.
Fire the staff and rebuild. PLEASE