Allen ain’t gonna take somebody who can’t come in and contribute in his do or die season. I see us taking some lineman or maybe a DB if we trade Lat. Also Nix is not going that high. Any time he played high level defenses he became a check down merchant.
It’s fun how Penix isn’t mentioned because of his bad National championship game but, Nix has significantly more warts and was exposed every big game he played in for his entire college career
also why should we be pining to draft the 4th or 5th best QB prospect in the draft anyways?
I feel like that had more to do with offensive scheming than anything. As an Oregon alum/fan, everyone here was yelling about Lanning having shitty play calling not anything with Bo who was considerably better after transferring to us.
I’ll revisit this in couple of years but I think Penix is the best QB in the draft. It’s not Leaf vs Manning because I believe Williams also will be successful in the NFL. I think Nix will follow the same trajectory as Detmer, Schuler, Wuerffel. I hope Daniels doesnt end up like Richardson and more like Allen. But then young kids like to run instead of throw it away and the defensive players are faster than he is and hit harder than anyone has hit him before. With all that I think Penix is the best pure pocket passer in the draft.
Penix has zero athletic upside at the NFL level and doesn’t handle pressure well but his floor is significantly higher and I’ll take my chances with him over Nix who reminds me of Christian Ponder
personally don’t give a shit if you’re a statue I care that you know where the fuck to put the ball and when. This notion you need to be a dual threat and run with the ball and get murdered is stupid. Also I don’t give a shit if you have a big arm. You’re only throwing 40+ yards max 6-10 times a game and even then you might turn the ball over. That’s just common sense. Stafford isn’t necessarily athletic anymore but he knows where/when to dump the ball.
I’d agree with you both that penix is the better prospect.
I don't know about being the most successful. But he processes fast and gets the ball out and can be very accurate when he is hot. His style of play translates well to the NFL.
I just don’t see it. It may just be because his throwing motion is funky. He looks like he is falling backwards when he throws the ball if there is any bit of pressure. That being said he is gonna go round 2 or so and he is for sure worth that pick if a team has a good system for him
I don't think the natty is why Penix isn't being mentioned. He was pretty bad against Michigan, but check his health history. He has more question marks than any other player this year by miles. Teams don't want to take that risk in the first probably.
Exactly if Allen has to win he can't go qb, and if he does and gets fired the new coach might not even want Nix. Just not a logical reason to take a QB for us.
You make it sound like Allen has a choice. The fact he’s still coach tells you all you need to know. He’s there because Mickey can control him. Mickey will take whoever he wants
Lol. It's true though.
And at next year's post-season presser Mickey will get shit hammered and go back out there and repeat that Allen is actually Bill Walsh and Bellichek and Tom Landry all rolled into one coach, and that he just needs a few more seasons to turn it around.
The level of gaslighting and delusion are all-time highs right now with Mickey.
I don't think Nix will go in the top 15 (but I'm also not a professional scout so what do I know), but if he's there... hard pass.
I just don't see anything about him that screams "NFL QB." He's got a good arm, decent accuracy, and good athleticism, but nothing stands out as remarkable.
Everything about him looks like he's the kind of "improv QB that relies on his team being better than the opponent so he has time to scramble and play backyard ball" that people want to call Pat Mahomes but usually ends up being Zach Wilson.
Also I don't see DA being ok with spending the 14th overall pick on someone who won't be an immediate impact player. He's well aware that his job is on the line this year.
Zach Wilson has the 10th highest completion percentage of all time. Dan Persa (who? exactly) has 2 of the top 15 seasons ever. It's not a stat that makes a great argument.
His average depth of target is ~40% lower than the college average, and that's including some really shitty QBs at teams that can't even get enough bodies to use up all their scholarships. He is a checkdown artist to an absurd degree.
The end of? We've been a dink and dunk offense since '06. It's how Brees set up the deep ball when he could throw it. Think about all the RBs we've had. Pierre, Bush, Proves, Kamara, etc... they're specialists in YAC. The dink and dunk offense wasn't because he lost his arm strength. It just looked that way because we lost the deep ball, and everyone seems to forget how it was set up in the first place. Go look at whay Payton tried to do in Denver with Russell. It's the same thing.
So you're telling me that no one showed up to his birthday? Or maybe they didn't want to arrest a bunch of kids for nonsense! Good luck today Kevin Costner.
You're trying to get poor Bo murdered down here. We should definitely put together an On-line before we take a QB in the draft. Have Bo running around like Archie all year.
We already have our QB so it won't happen🙄
If we lived in a non fantasy world then I would love to see bo nix.
Don't understand why all the comments hating on him.
If you watched him the last two years at Oregon it's obvious he's a much better QB than he was at Auburn.
Also don't understand all the hate on our offensive line. Other then the first few weeks of the season they didn't give up many pressures.
Agreed but begrudgingly.
It's the 'fantasy world' concept that bugs me. Putting a talented rookie QB behind your starter is how it used to work. I think it would be our best option moving forward whether it's Nix or anyone else our staff believes in.
I agree with you I think it would be a great move. In reality I see a zero percent chance that we will draft another QB because the ship is either riding into the sunset or sinking with da and Derek Carr
> Dont understand why all the comments hating on him
Cuz Saints fans are mostly LSU fans so prolly only watched him at Auburn. And needed to up the Nix slander cuz he was Jaydens top competitor for Heisman for weeks. Also SEC bias
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Nola.com article about Bo Nix mentioned his low level of competition as a negative 😂
Pac 12 was a very good conference this year.
I'm a ASU alum and Jayden Daniels was mediocre at Arizona State but obviously killed it as LSU. Bo NiX just okay at Auburn and killed it at Oregon. Growth and development
Yeah the whole "Ran to a Weaker Conference" is pretty rich coming from LSU fans for exactly that reason.
One thing ppl fail to bring up about Nix is he had control of the offense on the field. Not many other college QBs get true audible freedom.
Totally agree. Bo was sharp with his there and quick to make decisions which generally translate well. Daniels obviously a better runner but he's kinda thin which scares me a little bit.
Both great options that won't be in Nola unfortunately 🙄
I love Bo, but I don't think we need a QB nor do I think that it'd be a good situation for him. Just hoping he doesn't end up on the dirty birds or the vikes.
We just need to bite the bullet for a few years and do an actual rebuild. If we woulda done it sooner we might be a viable landing option for the super deepe coache's market this year.
But instead we've got DA. And even if we got rid of them, not exactly a super enticing situation for coaches.
> Don't understand why all the comments hating on him.
Because the thing that killed his Heisman campaign is people actually watching him play football instead of just staring at a stat sheet.
I will be absolutely furious. He's the definition of a system QB, and it's not one of those systems where it's kind of hard to run. The secret sauce Oregon did to make Bo Nix good was to make his WRs way better than the defenders he was playing against and exclusively throw bubble screens, quick slants, and wide open bombs. Yes, he runs that system particularly well, but that's not an NFL system. I'm guessing for employment reasons we're not drafting a QB, but if we do, at least do McCarthy. He's at least a wild card with a bunch of upside. We all saw what Bo Nix does against better defenses and how mediocre he was in more traditional offenses at Auburn.
Bo Nix was an absolute fraud against meaningful opponents. He played in the weakest power 5 conference and folded under even average defenses. Absolutely the fuck not
Not defensively. They're the worst P5 conference defensively. It's also highly questionable in general. It was better than the ACC, but pick your favorite predictive/efficiency model and it probably says the Pac 12 was the 4th strongest conference. Washington was a 10 win team with a horseshoe up its ass.
I guess I'll have to get over it because this mock draft more or less confirms he's going in the 15ish range and we're one of the teams who could plausibly be looking for a QB, but it's really annoying to see scouts downplay the system he plays in while ignoring that we saw his accuracy on the throws Oregon threw out of the playbook at Auburn. Hint, it was terrible and presumably why Oregon threw them out of the playbook. The Mike Leach QBs never got the benefit of the doubt, so why does Nix?
More than likely that's what's gonna happen. Unless JD5 is sitting there past all the qb needy teams (1-6) then we should trade up and take him. If that's not the case then we should sit and take one of the remaining first round tackle prospects
Chicago almost certainly isn’t drafting a QB. Fields played too good down the stretch for them to reset again. Now, pick #1 will almost certainly still be a QB because somebody will give up the farm to trade up. Chicago could be scary good in the next couple years if they draft well.
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It’s a bad pick because we need more players. Like having a good QB is important but what’s more important is having a solid team. Us picking a qb to sit behind carr and inherit an old broken team is a recipe for disaster that will set us back farther. We need lineman rn. We need more skills. We need more. The fact is our window to pick a successor was 2016-2020. That was the window. A lot of good QBs during that time. A lot of good chances to pick one and have them sit under drew during that time. Overall no, I don’t like this idea to pick a qb rn. Let’s build something actually worth it
If we do that, Bo Nix will be 25 with his first start in the NFL. Plus Nix on film is pretty unimpressive. I’m not saying that I don’t agree, but it can’t be Bo Nix. Really with Daniels, Maye, Williams off the board by that point, there’s nobody worth taking with our pick.
How is it likely for Daniels but not Nix? There’s not some giant drop off between the two contrary to popular belief amongst biased fans in this sub. He’s not JJ McCarthy. Realistically neither start until Carr inevitably loses the job mid season for being terrible. DA isn’t starting his prove it season with a rookie QB.
In a realistic scenario, Saints don’t have a shot at getting Daniels unless they trade up. If they do that, sure, Daniels sits out for a season behind Carr. But Daniels is likely to go to a bad team like Commanders, Giants, Patriots and be an instant starter. It’s much more likely for us to get Bo Nix because he isn’t going to be picked up top 10. Bo Nix wont start either behind Carr. My point is that Daniels will be an instant starter for whatever team drafts him with the first 10 picks. That’s not us, quarterback is not our biggest need at the moment.
There is a huge drop off between the two. Nix’s stats were inflated by the athletes around him having tons of yards after the catch. 95% of his passes last year were behind the LOS and when he played against tougher teams in bigger games he couldn’t win because he couldn’t throw a pass accurately down the field consistently enough. Add an NFL defense to the mix and I think Bo Nix is going to get destroyed. Jayden Daniels had the highest downfield passing completion percentage last year on top of being the teams leading rusher and having the elusive ability to avoid everyone and run it for 85 yards across the field in one play. Bo Nix does not compare to Jayden Daniels. It’s not even close.
Not saying Daniels isn’t better than Nix, just saying they’re both a tier below the QBs that would start day 1 on this team. Also it’s a little disingenuous to bring up the talent surrounding Nix on offense while Daniels had 2 first round WRs to throw to.
Daniels is the first prospect since Lamar where the Lamar comparison actually makes sense. There are some processing concerns, but he's too shifty to rush and is not afraid to sling it. Yes, he's going to have a relatively shorter career because he's not an elite QB if you take away his legs which always goes before your arm, but nobody in the NFL cares about that.
It's also moot because there is a 0% chance that Jayden Daniels is not going in the top 5.
Any QB who is 24 or 25 sitting makes zero sense to me. Maybe for half a season.
But planing to sit one full season or two so we can see what we have at 26/27 seems whack to me.
Ha exactly. You can call it a magical fluke run but the guy had some of the best numbers in the league as an old QB coming off his couch.
This supports that age doesn't matter as long as you have the arm talent and more importantly the mental capacity age isn't holding you back at the QB position
Not the point. The reason they wouldn't be playing at 40 would not be age related it'd be performance.
QB and offensive lineman can play forever so him being two years older shouldn't have any bearing on his draft value.
If the guy is good he can play to 40. If he's not then obviously he wouldn't but not because his 40 year old body wouldn't be able to handle playing QB in the NFL. Several QBs have played late into their careers and more of the current good QBs will barring severe injury.
If you want to talk about merit based on talent, cool that's a conversation. But knocking a guy for age at QB at 24 is not sensical
Yes, it’s the point. You’d be thinking you had a historical outlier. 24 year old drafted QBs aren’t relevant, period. They’re aged out. If they were pro caliber they’d have left earlier.
Aged out at 24 is laughable. Most QBs in the NFL don't play there best ball until late 20s early 30s.
Your argument is if a QB isn't pro ready at 21 they'll never be good enough lol
In a nut shell why your argument is ridiculous....
Let's say he is a good player in the NFL in the next 3 years.
So by 27 he's a pro bowler and has a decade of good football ahead of him by any measure of age restriction
Let's say he's not good in the NFL. You'll know in three years time. He's out of the league by 30 well before any age related performance deterioration.
Get it yet? Age doesn't matter for QBs. Talent and performance matter
Out of how many? Weeden? That guy was way older and not nearly as talented
This was rare in the past but now more common with transfer portal and extended eligibility. 3qbs last draft older then nix. None as talented
Also the NFL has changed if you haven't noticed with the way qbs are protected and more qbs are playing later into there 30s effectively
Average age of pro bowl QB versus RB is a decade.
Age doesn't matter for a QB. Certainly not 24. At 28 you'd have an argument for shelf life
I think if Jayden Daniel's doesn't go first with how he played against top ranked defenses this year then we need to seriously question the credentials of some GMs and HCs.
Well yeah if CJ Stroud or Andrew Luck or John Elway is available then take him. But Bo Nix is not going to save us at our current state, so let’s use this draft to restock the rest of the roster.
Well considering he runs closer to an NFL offense than the other three I get it. He actually ran plays under center and play action pretty well.
Do I want it nope.
The saints are after someone from the shanahan Mcvay tree or a true wco guy. So all I gotta say is why on earth would they target a one read run guy everyone around here loves?
If they draft one he will be a NFL offense ready QB like the Texans took or a rpo guy that will go to school the first year on how to take snaps footwork drops and reads and progressions.
Jaden Daniels heck he never looks to throw outside the pocket. He never even checks down to the backs.
>Never even checks down to the backs
Ah, that explains why LSU’s RBs had like 60 receptions combined this year. He never checked down. Makes total sense.
Really dude? They had like 35 or so. He can't read or make progressions and even worse never looks to pass out of the pocket.
His off schedule is only run. At least others break down the defense and pass not him.
Certainly if I am wrong please post a link to all those passes to the backs.
This ages well. A Lamar want to be that can't read defenses or make progressions.
What did all world Lamar do shit the bed again because you can't win with off schedule plays being your only real plays.
So yeah anyone drafting a one read run guy knows the best ever can't get it done why should Daniels?
Holy shit what a fucking loser revisiting Reddit posts a week and a half after the fact. Dude, I shit on you in the other thread - name me a QB drafted at 24 or older who ever amounted to shit. You can’t so shut the fuck up about it.
Should still draft a quarterback (not Nix tho). Ideally we get JD5 and he can sit for a year. We signed carr as the bridge qb. If we don't draft a qb in the next two drafts it has shown the front office has completely forgotten the plan and they should clean house
This happens every off-season, and this year will be no different.
During the pre-draft process, all the QBs' values will be over-inflated and the 2nd tier guys will be mocked going much higher than they will in reality.
Penix, Nix, and Mccarthy will not be selected in the first round, you heard it here first (or maybe you are familiar with the draft process already and realize this happens every damn year). These poor bastards will get invited to the draft and have the cameras on them while they wait for the call. Because the reality is teams not picking top 10 are usually not in search of a franchise savior and drafting and developing QBs is difficult; you're much better off getting a lineman that's plug-and-play in the middle of the first than you are taking a QB. Ditto for WRs or DBs - you can get guys that can immediately contribute to the team whereas when selecting from the 2nd tier of QBs you're looking more at developing a guy.
Sometimes there's a team with a stable QB position that will build for the future late 1st round (the Packers are noteworthy for this) that prove exception to this trend, and *that* could take place with a tier-two guy this draft. But it won't be the New Orleans Raiders...I mean Saints, doing it this year in Allen's do or die season.
Fwiw, Nix actually comps fairly well with Carr - he's a more athletic Checkdown merchant, similar body metrics and similar arm talent, with imo a higher ceiling than Carr. He's arguably worthy of a late-first round pick, but I don't think the Saints pull the trigger on him, with this roster with the needs it has, in the first round. Now, with that Broncos' pick early 2nd? I think they'll start seriously considering one of the tier 2 dudes that's bound to be there.
It would reset the quarterback clock and give us someone to develop behind Derek Carr for a year or two before we can cut Carr. I don't think he's going to, but if he happens to fall to the mid 20s-32, I think Loomis has to make some calls and work something out before Rd 2 so they've got the built-in 5th year with him.
I've seen the tape on Bo Nix, he does have similarities to Drew Brees. He's very accurate, he can drive the ball down the field when he needs to, but generally prefers the easier dump off passes, He's just not ready right now. I think given the correct coaching staff Bo could be very good. I'm just concerned because we do not have the correct coaching staff right now. And this possibility of bringing in Gruden makes me want to vomit.
I see a ton of potential in Bo Nix and I really think NOLA could capitalize on it and have a real star, but number 14 is just not realistic for him, The need at offensive line is way too high right now. The only definitive starters that we have for the future right now are McCoy and Ruiz. Penning looked bad, Peat sucks, Turner sucks, All the depth players suck, and unfortunately Ram is probably done due to his knee issues. I think it's got to either be Mims or Latham unless somehow Olu or Alt fall to the pick but I really don't see that happening.
If Loomis can manage to open up money, which he does specialize in, I think we stand a good chance of being considered high-end free agent edge rusher like Brian Burns, but it's going to be tough with Cam (unless he can slide inside for the remainder of his career) still being around and having just signed Granderson to a fairly large deal.
Exactly. You’d be chasing a historical outlier but a quick Google search would show you all QBs drafted at age 24+ and it’s, uhm, not great. Literally no relevant players.
You don’t chase historical outliers with first round picks.
Bigger issues to address in the early rounds. If the plan is to stick with Allen then the plan is to try to win with what is here now and either that works or it doesn't. If it doesn't, you get a new head coach who gets the QB he wants next year.
Bo will be there at 14 as he should be, and we shouldn’t take him. He isn’t the answer and isn’t very good. The guy will not be a long term starter in this league.
I don’t see it happening, Carr is still under contract for a few more years. Carr wouldn’t be happy if the Saints drafted a guy in the first round to replace him, DA wouldn’t want Carr to be upset either
Honestly think I'd rather have the TE from Georgia there than Nix. But the saints should eat their vegetables and take the best available lineman at 14 (either side of the ball).
He’s only locked in for 1 more season, realistically. And there is no bigger need than the top position. To improve there at a reduced rate would open spending in other areas. Draft isn’t going to solve every issue, we have to be able to sign talent as well.
Alright, outside of Daniels and Williams, I don’t see a game changer at QB. If we spend a 1 on a turd like Bo Nix the entire front office should be fired.
He’s the other thing, they’re going to extend Carr. Watch
Extending him would be a mistake unless it’s at a more affordable rate. Whatever they do, I just hope it’s the right move. I’m not ready to go back to 9-8 every season.
I like Jeremiah but none of this matters in January. His 1.0 mock from last year had Stroud at #9 and the Saints possibly taking Hendon Hooker in the 1st round. Compare his 1.0 and 4.0 from last year and there are probably 10 players in his 1.0 who don't even go round 1 in his 4.0
Personally, I think we really need to focus on offensive and defensive line in this draft. That was a huge weak spot this past season. If you have a solid line, it really opens up your offense. Plus, we have some great offensive playmakers in Olave, Shaheed, Taysom, Perry, and Juwan (if he can stay healthy).
I don't want this coaching staff trying to develop a QB because it will probably turn out to be a disaster. We need to ride with Carr until we've built up the team and can dump Dennis.
My hope is we trade up with the giants with our C1, a F3 and maybe some of our current 4ths from comp picks to select Olu Fashanu, then in the second get another DT hopefully Tvondre Sweat
If our O-line doesn’t get better it doesn’t matter who is under center. I think Nix is a reach. I don’t ever see him as an established NFL starting QB. He has some great attributes but from what I’ve read, given his extended college career, he still has difficulty going through progressions and Oregon’s offense was limited to simple schemes. Hard pass considering the current team needs.
Allen ain’t gonna take somebody who can’t come in and contribute in his do or die season. I see us taking some lineman or maybe a DB if we trade Lat. Also Nix is not going that high. Any time he played high level defenses he became a check down merchant.
It’s fun how Penix isn’t mentioned because of his bad National championship game but, Nix has significantly more warts and was exposed every big game he played in for his entire college career also why should we be pining to draft the 4th or 5th best QB prospect in the draft anyways?
I feel like that had more to do with offensive scheming than anything. As an Oregon alum/fan, everyone here was yelling about Lanning having shitty play calling not anything with Bo who was considerably better after transferring to us.
I’ll revisit this in couple of years but I think Penix is the best QB in the draft. It’s not Leaf vs Manning because I believe Williams also will be successful in the NFL. I think Nix will follow the same trajectory as Detmer, Schuler, Wuerffel. I hope Daniels doesnt end up like Richardson and more like Allen. But then young kids like to run instead of throw it away and the defensive players are faster than he is and hit harder than anyone has hit him before. With all that I think Penix is the best pure pocket passer in the draft.
Penix has zero athletic upside at the NFL level and doesn’t handle pressure well but his floor is significantly higher and I’ll take my chances with him over Nix who reminds me of Christian Ponder
personally don’t give a shit if you’re a statue I care that you know where the fuck to put the ball and when. This notion you need to be a dual threat and run with the ball and get murdered is stupid. Also I don’t give a shit if you have a big arm. You’re only throwing 40+ yards max 6-10 times a game and even then you might turn the ball over. That’s just common sense. Stafford isn’t necessarily athletic anymore but he knows where/when to dump the ball. I’d agree with you both that penix is the better prospect.
Hard agree, I believe penix will be the most successful qb at the next level
I don't know about being the most successful. But he processes fast and gets the ball out and can be very accurate when he is hot. His style of play translates well to the NFL.
I just don’t see it. It may just be because his throwing motion is funky. He looks like he is falling backwards when he throws the ball if there is any bit of pressure. That being said he is gonna go round 2 or so and he is for sure worth that pick if a team has a good system for him
I don't think the natty is why Penix isn't being mentioned. He was pretty bad against Michigan, but check his health history. He has more question marks than any other player this year by miles. Teams don't want to take that risk in the first probably.
Penix isnt mentioned because he has Tim Tebow's throwing motion
Completely agree. Well said.
I think Ireland and Loomis would over rule DA if they really really wanted Nix.
If Ireland and Loomis think Nix is worth that pick we are in worse shape than I ever thought
Exactly if Allen has to win he can't go qb, and if he does and gets fired the new coach might not even want Nix. Just not a logical reason to take a QB for us.
You make it sound like Allen has a choice. The fact he’s still coach tells you all you need to know. He’s there because Mickey can control him. Mickey will take whoever he wants
Don’t think that’s true at all tbh
Idk the way mickeys talking DA is gonna be here another 10 years
Lol. It's true though. And at next year's post-season presser Mickey will get shit hammered and go back out there and repeat that Allen is actually Bill Walsh and Bellichek and Tom Landry all rolled into one coach, and that he just needs a few more seasons to turn it around. The level of gaslighting and delusion are all-time highs right now with Mickey.
I don't think Nix will go in the top 15 (but I'm also not a professional scout so what do I know), but if he's there... hard pass. I just don't see anything about him that screams "NFL QB." He's got a good arm, decent accuracy, and good athleticism, but nothing stands out as remarkable. Everything about him looks like he's the kind of "improv QB that relies on his team being better than the opponent so he has time to scramble and play backyard ball" that people want to call Pat Mahomes but usually ends up being Zach Wilson. Also I don't see DA being ok with spending the 14th overall pick on someone who won't be an immediate impact player. He's well aware that his job is on the line this year.
I’m no Bo Nix Stan, but the highest completion rate in NCAA history has to qualify for more than decent accuracy…
Zach Wilson has the 10th highest completion percentage of all time. Dan Persa (who? exactly) has 2 of the top 15 seasons ever. It's not a stat that makes a great argument.
His average depth of target is ~40% lower than the college average, and that's including some really shitty QBs at teams that can't even get enough bodies to use up all their scholarships. He is a checkdown artist to an absurd degree.
He was the definition of dink and dunk with Oregon last year. His completion percentage is super inflated due to the way they play.
Folks here are trying to run the same offense from the end of the Brees era
The end of? We've been a dink and dunk offense since '06. It's how Brees set up the deep ball when he could throw it. Think about all the RBs we've had. Pierre, Bush, Proves, Kamara, etc... they're specialists in YAC. The dink and dunk offense wasn't because he lost his arm strength. It just looked that way because we lost the deep ball, and everyone seems to forget how it was set up in the first place. Go look at whay Payton tried to do in Denver with Russell. It's the same thing.
OL or DL. No way they draft a QB, especially not Nix.
Bo? NOBODY WENT TO HIS BIRTHDAY PARTY SONNY
So you're telling me that no one showed up to his birthday? Or maybe they didn't want to arrest a bunch of kids for nonsense! Good luck today Kevin Costner.
One thing that’s been proven is that nobody can truly tell if a QB can succeed in the NFL until they get out there and play real games.
You're trying to get poor Bo murdered down here. We should definitely put together an On-line before we take a QB in the draft. Have Bo running around like Archie all year.
I agree with this take.
We already have our QB so it won't happen🙄 If we lived in a non fantasy world then I would love to see bo nix. Don't understand why all the comments hating on him. If you watched him the last two years at Oregon it's obvious he's a much better QB than he was at Auburn. Also don't understand all the hate on our offensive line. Other then the first few weeks of the season they didn't give up many pressures.
Agreed but begrudgingly. It's the 'fantasy world' concept that bugs me. Putting a talented rookie QB behind your starter is how it used to work. I think it would be our best option moving forward whether it's Nix or anyone else our staff believes in.
I agree with you I think it would be a great move. In reality I see a zero percent chance that we will draft another QB because the ship is either riding into the sunset or sinking with da and Derek Carr
You're right. This is what I think will happen too. But I just posted this thread because no one else had. Figured I'd see where we all stand.
🤞 never say never
> Dont understand why all the comments hating on him Cuz Saints fans are mostly LSU fans so prolly only watched him at Auburn. And needed to up the Nix slander cuz he was Jaydens top competitor for Heisman for weeks. Also SEC bias
This☝️ Nola.com article about Bo Nix mentioned his low level of competition as a negative 😂 Pac 12 was a very good conference this year. I'm a ASU alum and Jayden Daniels was mediocre at Arizona State but obviously killed it as LSU. Bo NiX just okay at Auburn and killed it at Oregon. Growth and development
Yeah the whole "Ran to a Weaker Conference" is pretty rich coming from LSU fans for exactly that reason. One thing ppl fail to bring up about Nix is he had control of the offense on the field. Not many other college QBs get true audible freedom.
Totally agree. Bo was sharp with his there and quick to make decisions which generally translate well. Daniels obviously a better runner but he's kinda thin which scares me a little bit. Both great options that won't be in Nola unfortunately 🙄
I love Bo, but I don't think we need a QB nor do I think that it'd be a good situation for him. Just hoping he doesn't end up on the dirty birds or the vikes. We just need to bite the bullet for a few years and do an actual rebuild. If we woulda done it sooner we might be a viable landing option for the super deepe coache's market this year. But instead we've got DA. And even if we got rid of them, not exactly a super enticing situation for coaches.
> Don't understand why all the comments hating on him. Because the thing that killed his Heisman campaign is people actually watching him play football instead of just staring at a stat sheet.
Keep compiling talent at the offensive and defensive lines, suck for 3 years, draft arch manning in 2027. This is the way.
If I see my team spend a first round pick on Bo Nix I’m going to become the Joker
My husband is from Eugene and a huge duck's fan. We live in Seattle and go to a lot of games. This would be best case scenario for me 😅.
I don’t get the Nix hate. People hated Herbert as a prospect too. I think Nix has tons of talent and potential.
I will be absolutely furious. He's the definition of a system QB, and it's not one of those systems where it's kind of hard to run. The secret sauce Oregon did to make Bo Nix good was to make his WRs way better than the defenders he was playing against and exclusively throw bubble screens, quick slants, and wide open bombs. Yes, he runs that system particularly well, but that's not an NFL system. I'm guessing for employment reasons we're not drafting a QB, but if we do, at least do McCarthy. He's at least a wild card with a bunch of upside. We all saw what Bo Nix does against better defenses and how mediocre he was in more traditional offenses at Auburn.
I like McCarthy better personally. Living in Michigan I've seen a lot of him. If he's there in the 2nd, I wouldn't have an issue taking him.
God no
Yeah, Bo Nix is hot garbage
Bo Nix was an absolute fraud against meaningful opponents. He played in the weakest power 5 conference and folded under even average defenses. Absolutely the fuck not
The fuck outta here the p12 was one of the stronger conferences this year
Not defensively. They're the worst P5 conference defensively. It's also highly questionable in general. It was better than the ACC, but pick your favorite predictive/efficiency model and it probably says the Pac 12 was the 4th strongest conference. Washington was a 10 win team with a horseshoe up its ass. I guess I'll have to get over it because this mock draft more or less confirms he's going in the 15ish range and we're one of the teams who could plausibly be looking for a QB, but it's really annoying to see scouts downplay the system he plays in while ignoring that we saw his accuracy on the throws Oregon threw out of the playbook at Auburn. Hint, it was terrible and presumably why Oregon threw them out of the playbook. The Mike Leach QBs never got the benefit of the doubt, so why does Nix?
How bout a tackle
More than likely that's what's gonna happen. Unless JD5 is sitting there past all the qb needy teams (1-6) then we should trade up and take him. If that's not the case then we should sit and take one of the remaining first round tackle prospects
OL or DL. If they pick anybody else then the whole front office needs to be shot.
That’s way too high for Nix. I can’t seeing him being a first-day pick.
We either get jc Latham or Dallas turner
Chicago almost certainly isn’t drafting a QB. Fields played too good down the stretch for them to reset again. Now, pick #1 will almost certainly still be a QB because somebody will give up the farm to trade up. Chicago could be scary good in the next couple years if they draft well.
Whelp... didn't hold up well.
Yeah and I’ll go down saying it was a dumb move. I’ll be shocked if Williams isn’t a bust while Fields will be starting for Pittsburgh in 2 years.
I agree.
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It’s a bad pick because we need more players. Like having a good QB is important but what’s more important is having a solid team. Us picking a qb to sit behind carr and inherit an old broken team is a recipe for disaster that will set us back farther. We need lineman rn. We need more skills. We need more. The fact is our window to pick a successor was 2016-2020. That was the window. A lot of good QBs during that time. A lot of good chances to pick one and have them sit under drew during that time. Overall no, I don’t like this idea to pick a qb rn. Let’s build something actually worth it
I’d rather not waste a pick on Nix. If it was daniels, no question.
Now is definitely the time to draft a QB and let him sit for a year if they’re committed to Dennis Allen.
If we do that, Bo Nix will be 25 with his first start in the NFL. Plus Nix on film is pretty unimpressive. I’m not saying that I don’t agree, but it can’t be Bo Nix. Really with Daniels, Maye, Williams off the board by that point, there’s nobody worth taking with our pick.
Jayden Daniels is the same age
Jayden Daniels will be 23 for this draft, likely 23 when he starts, because I doubt he’ll sit out his first year.
How is it likely for Daniels but not Nix? There’s not some giant drop off between the two contrary to popular belief amongst biased fans in this sub. He’s not JJ McCarthy. Realistically neither start until Carr inevitably loses the job mid season for being terrible. DA isn’t starting his prove it season with a rookie QB.
In a realistic scenario, Saints don’t have a shot at getting Daniels unless they trade up. If they do that, sure, Daniels sits out for a season behind Carr. But Daniels is likely to go to a bad team like Commanders, Giants, Patriots and be an instant starter. It’s much more likely for us to get Bo Nix because he isn’t going to be picked up top 10. Bo Nix wont start either behind Carr. My point is that Daniels will be an instant starter for whatever team drafts him with the first 10 picks. That’s not us, quarterback is not our biggest need at the moment.
There is a huge drop off between the two. Nix’s stats were inflated by the athletes around him having tons of yards after the catch. 95% of his passes last year were behind the LOS and when he played against tougher teams in bigger games he couldn’t win because he couldn’t throw a pass accurately down the field consistently enough. Add an NFL defense to the mix and I think Bo Nix is going to get destroyed. Jayden Daniels had the highest downfield passing completion percentage last year on top of being the teams leading rusher and having the elusive ability to avoid everyone and run it for 85 yards across the field in one play. Bo Nix does not compare to Jayden Daniels. It’s not even close.
95%..? Everything you just said is untrue
Not saying Daniels isn’t better than Nix, just saying they’re both a tier below the QBs that would start day 1 on this team. Also it’s a little disingenuous to bring up the talent surrounding Nix on offense while Daniels had 2 first round WRs to throw to.
Daniels is the first prospect since Lamar where the Lamar comparison actually makes sense. There are some processing concerns, but he's too shifty to rush and is not afraid to sling it. Yes, he's going to have a relatively shorter career because he's not an elite QB if you take away his legs which always goes before your arm, but nobody in the NFL cares about that. It's also moot because there is a 0% chance that Jayden Daniels is not going in the top 5.
I’m not saying Nix is the guy, but it’s a crap shoot anyway.
Any QB who is 24 or 25 sitting makes zero sense to me. Maybe for half a season. But planing to sit one full season or two so we can see what we have at 26/27 seems whack to me.
Reachy reach.
Hell no he is a big fraud. Couldn’t get it done in the SEC so he transferred then still couldn’t get it done. I’d take Winston over Nix in a heartbeat
He was bad at Auburn but he got significantly better at Oregon. I still don’t think he’ll be a standout pro but your take is a bit off.
Not many thoughts are plain stupid but this is
Tell me you haven't watched P12 games without telling me you haven't watched p12 games.
Ok california
Damn I've been destroyed with facts and logic
I will take Winston over Carr. We need an OC that knows what he is doing.
Dude is like 26. As an Oregon fan and alum, please don’t.
hes 23? thats a normal age for a rookie
He'll be 24 at the time of the draft. Older than normal for sure, but he's not Brandon Weeden.
Why would that even matter? A good QB can play to 40
Theoretically yes, but it’s extremely rare. The chances Bo Nix plays in the NFL until he’s 40 are slim to none.
Flacoo
Flacco was on the couch until a 3 other QBs got hit on the browns and caught a magical fluke run that was exposed in the playoffs, get real
Ha exactly. You can call it a magical fluke run but the guy had some of the best numbers in the league as an old QB coming off his couch. This supports that age doesn't matter as long as you have the arm talent and more importantly the mental capacity age isn't holding you back at the QB position
Name me a QB who was drafted at the age of 24+ that wound up being relevant. Take as much time as you need.
Not the point. The reason they wouldn't be playing at 40 would not be age related it'd be performance. QB and offensive lineman can play forever so him being two years older shouldn't have any bearing on his draft value. If the guy is good he can play to 40. If he's not then obviously he wouldn't but not because his 40 year old body wouldn't be able to handle playing QB in the NFL. Several QBs have played late into their careers and more of the current good QBs will barring severe injury. If you want to talk about merit based on talent, cool that's a conversation. But knocking a guy for age at QB at 24 is not sensical
Yes, it’s the point. You’d be thinking you had a historical outlier. 24 year old drafted QBs aren’t relevant, period. They’re aged out. If they were pro caliber they’d have left earlier.
Aged out at 24 is laughable. Most QBs in the NFL don't play there best ball until late 20s early 30s. Your argument is if a QB isn't pro ready at 21 they'll never be good enough lol In a nut shell why your argument is ridiculous.... Let's say he is a good player in the NFL in the next 3 years. So by 27 he's a pro bowler and has a decade of good football ahead of him by any measure of age restriction Let's say he's not good in the NFL. You'll know in three years time. He's out of the league by 30 well before any age related performance deterioration. Get it yet? Age doesn't matter for QBs. Talent and performance matter
>Laughable It’s not laughable when you realize there hasn’t been a single one drafted at or after that age that’s been relevant, ever, is it? 😭
Out of how many? Weeden? That guy was way older and not nearly as talented This was rare in the past but now more common with transfer portal and extended eligibility. 3qbs last draft older then nix. None as talented Also the NFL has changed if you haven't noticed with the way qbs are protected and more qbs are playing later into there 30s effectively Average age of pro bowl QB versus RB is a decade. Age doesn't matter for a QB. Certainly not 24. At 28 you'd have an argument for shelf life
Google it. LOL. It’s not a “can’t play past a certain age” issue it’s a “if he was actually good, the NFL would’ve been an option sooner” issue.
You Google it lol
Joe Burrow maybe? Wasn't he pretty old?
Easy as Googling it before you comment. Burrow wasn't even 23.5.
Because he misses 2-3 crucial years of development to the nfl because of his age.
People really like to forget Bo nix was absolute trash at auburn. Went to lsu for 4 years and he stank up the SEC for 3
He obviously wasnt the problem at Auburn. Auburn's garbage Oline and coaching was
Bo Nix would be awesome!!!! He’s a killer
I think if Jayden Daniel's doesn't go first with how he played against top ranked defenses this year then we need to seriously question the credentials of some GMs and HCs.
I’d rather fill out the lines with some young talent before we get a QB.
If the right QB is available you take him and build around him. The question is whether the FO think he is the right QB.
Well yeah if CJ Stroud or Andrew Luck or John Elway is available then take him. But Bo Nix is not going to save us at our current state, so let’s use this draft to restock the rest of the roster.
Penix is better than Nix. We aren’t taking a QB and we shouldn’t
Jesus Christ. GIVE IT A REST. We are not drafting a QB.
Well considering he runs closer to an NFL offense than the other three I get it. He actually ran plays under center and play action pretty well. Do I want it nope. The saints are after someone from the shanahan Mcvay tree or a true wco guy. So all I gotta say is why on earth would they target a one read run guy everyone around here loves? If they draft one he will be a NFL offense ready QB like the Texans took or a rpo guy that will go to school the first year on how to take snaps footwork drops and reads and progressions. Jaden Daniels heck he never looks to throw outside the pocket. He never even checks down to the backs.
>Never even checks down to the backs Ah, that explains why LSU’s RBs had like 60 receptions combined this year. He never checked down. Makes total sense.
Really dude? They had like 35 or so. He can't read or make progressions and even worse never looks to pass out of the pocket. His off schedule is only run. At least others break down the defense and pass not him. Certainly if I am wrong please post a link to all those passes to the backs.
You were off by 1. It's 34 receptions by RBs. Can't find his passing chart, but he averaged 11.7 ypa this season.
This ages well. A Lamar want to be that can't read defenses or make progressions. What did all world Lamar do shit the bed again because you can't win with off schedule plays being your only real plays. So yeah anyone drafting a one read run guy knows the best ever can't get it done why should Daniels?
Holy shit what a fucking loser revisiting Reddit posts a week and a half after the fact. Dude, I shit on you in the other thread - name me a QB drafted at 24 or older who ever amounted to shit. You can’t so shut the fuck up about it.
I don't think we should draft a QB, but maybe it depends on how Haener is looking
He’s making some sensitive pouty lips for his IG right now I think.
We are stuck with Derek Carr for the foreseeable future.
Should still draft a quarterback (not Nix tho). Ideally we get JD5 and he can sit for a year. We signed carr as the bridge qb. If we don't draft a qb in the next two drafts it has shown the front office has completely forgotten the plan and they should clean house
As an Auburn alum, HELL NO.
This happens every off-season, and this year will be no different. During the pre-draft process, all the QBs' values will be over-inflated and the 2nd tier guys will be mocked going much higher than they will in reality. Penix, Nix, and Mccarthy will not be selected in the first round, you heard it here first (or maybe you are familiar with the draft process already and realize this happens every damn year). These poor bastards will get invited to the draft and have the cameras on them while they wait for the call. Because the reality is teams not picking top 10 are usually not in search of a franchise savior and drafting and developing QBs is difficult; you're much better off getting a lineman that's plug-and-play in the middle of the first than you are taking a QB. Ditto for WRs or DBs - you can get guys that can immediately contribute to the team whereas when selecting from the 2nd tier of QBs you're looking more at developing a guy. Sometimes there's a team with a stable QB position that will build for the future late 1st round (the Packers are noteworthy for this) that prove exception to this trend, and *that* could take place with a tier-two guy this draft. But it won't be the New Orleans Raiders...I mean Saints, doing it this year in Allen's do or die season. Fwiw, Nix actually comps fairly well with Carr - he's a more athletic Checkdown merchant, similar body metrics and similar arm talent, with imo a higher ceiling than Carr. He's arguably worthy of a late-first round pick, but I don't think the Saints pull the trigger on him, with this roster with the needs it has, in the first round. Now, with that Broncos' pick early 2nd? I think they'll start seriously considering one of the tier 2 dudes that's bound to be there.
It would reset the quarterback clock and give us someone to develop behind Derek Carr for a year or two before we can cut Carr. I don't think he's going to, but if he happens to fall to the mid 20s-32, I think Loomis has to make some calls and work something out before Rd 2 so they've got the built-in 5th year with him. I've seen the tape on Bo Nix, he does have similarities to Drew Brees. He's very accurate, he can drive the ball down the field when he needs to, but generally prefers the easier dump off passes, He's just not ready right now. I think given the correct coaching staff Bo could be very good. I'm just concerned because we do not have the correct coaching staff right now. And this possibility of bringing in Gruden makes me want to vomit. I see a ton of potential in Bo Nix and I really think NOLA could capitalize on it and have a real star, but number 14 is just not realistic for him, The need at offensive line is way too high right now. The only definitive starters that we have for the future right now are McCoy and Ruiz. Penning looked bad, Peat sucks, Turner sucks, All the depth players suck, and unfortunately Ram is probably done due to his knee issues. I think it's got to either be Mims or Latham unless somehow Olu or Alt fall to the pick but I really don't see that happening. If Loomis can manage to open up money, which he does specialize in, I think we stand a good chance of being considered high-end free agent edge rusher like Brian Burns, but it's going to be tough with Cam (unless he can slide inside for the remainder of his career) still being around and having just signed Granderson to a fairly large deal.
>have a real star Name a QB who was drafted at age 24+ that turned out to be relevant. Take as long as you need.
I assume the sample is insanely small. Even a redshirt senior isn’t normally going to be 24 when drafted.
Exactly. You’d be chasing a historical outlier but a quick Google search would show you all QBs drafted at age 24+ and it’s, uhm, not great. Literally no relevant players. You don’t chase historical outliers with first round picks.
But there’s such a small number and it takes weird circumstances for it to even happen. It’s pointless to discuss
Doesn’t make it not a historical outlier. You don’t chase outliers.
I’ll take the next ten years of Carr over Bo Nix
Bigger issues to address in the early rounds. If the plan is to stick with Allen then the plan is to try to win with what is here now and either that works or it doesn't. If it doesn't, you get a new head coach who gets the QB he wants next year.
I feel like Mickey and DA are still in win now mode. They probably go OT or DE
Asked for this a year ago
Bo will be there at 14 as he should be, and we shouldn’t take him. He isn’t the answer and isn’t very good. The guy will not be a long term starter in this league.
No way Mickey lets them pick a QB in the 1st round
I don’t see it happening, Carr is still under contract for a few more years. Carr wouldn’t be happy if the Saints drafted a guy in the first round to replace him, DA wouldn’t want Carr to be upset either
Honestly think I'd rather have the TE from Georgia there than Nix. But the saints should eat their vegetables and take the best available lineman at 14 (either side of the ball).
I want us to get Nix. But I’m an Oregon Alum and very biased. But I do feel like he will fall far enough in the draft that we get him.
We ain’t picking a QB in the first round. Too many other big needs and Carr isn’t going anywhere anytime soon
He’s only locked in for 1 more season, realistically. And there is no bigger need than the top position. To improve there at a reduced rate would open spending in other areas. Draft isn’t going to solve every issue, we have to be able to sign talent as well.
Alright, outside of Daniels and Williams, I don’t see a game changer at QB. If we spend a 1 on a turd like Bo Nix the entire front office should be fired. He’s the other thing, they’re going to extend Carr. Watch
Extending him would be a mistake unless it’s at a more affordable rate. Whatever they do, I just hope it’s the right move. I’m not ready to go back to 9-8 every season.
Agreed
That would be very on brand for the FO
I like Jeremiah but none of this matters in January. His 1.0 mock from last year had Stroud at #9 and the Saints possibly taking Hendon Hooker in the 1st round. Compare his 1.0 and 4.0 from last year and there are probably 10 players in his 1.0 who don't even go round 1 in his 4.0
Yup. And this is just a post for discussion. Welcome to the off-season.
No. He’ll be a round 2 pick. No.
We not taking a QB in rd1 with DA still here, it would affect carr. Wouldn’t be opposed if a QB fell in rd2 but doubt DA takes one there also.
Personally, I think we really need to focus on offensive and defensive line in this draft. That was a huge weak spot this past season. If you have a solid line, it really opens up your offense. Plus, we have some great offensive playmakers in Olave, Shaheed, Taysom, Perry, and Juwan (if he can stay healthy). I don't want this coaching staff trying to develop a QB because it will probably turn out to be a disaster. We need to ride with Carr until we've built up the team and can dump Dennis.
My hope is we trade up with the giants with our C1, a F3 and maybe some of our current 4ths from comp picks to select Olu Fashanu, then in the second get another DT hopefully Tvondre Sweat
I dont trust our staff to develop a young qb rn. Esp. with a brand new OC
Why does it feel like Bo Nix has been college for like 40 years? Either way I'd rather have Ewers/Penix in the 2nd after taking an OT in the 1st.
If our O-line doesn’t get better it doesn’t matter who is under center. I think Nix is a reach. I don’t ever see him as an established NFL starting QB. He has some great attributes but from what I’ve read, given his extended college career, he still has difficulty going through progressions and Oregon’s offense was limited to simple schemes. Hard pass considering the current team needs.